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Speaker 2: continuing in Indianapolis, Ohio state linebacker Sunny Styles confirmed he

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Speaker 2: The Washington Commanders have been chosen to play a twenty

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Speaker 2: Could those two be hooking up again. The last time

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Speaker 2: Thursday night. Justin Williams of The Athletic reports you see

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Speaker 2: Reds opening day starting pitcher? You know, I've been looking

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Speaker 5: You know last week I heard you talk about four

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Speaker 2: You know, you you the closer.

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Speaker 5: But your bullpen has to be able to have sixty

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Speaker 5: Absolutely, and I think that is you just said a

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Speaker 5: For the bullpen comes July is beat up and you hired.

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Speaker 2: Hey, Mike, I enjoyed this, Thanks for calling, Thanks for listening. Yes, absolutely,

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Speaker 2: I don't. There's no easy site that has all this.

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Speaker 2: But when when I say, can the Reds, I said

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Speaker 7: Hey Lance, how are you well?

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Speaker 2: How about you?

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Speaker 7: Oh live in the dream mountain?

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Speaker 7: I wanted to ask you what on your thoughts of

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I could see it maybe on occasion.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, that makes sense and honestly, yeah, that was my

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's almost yeah, But Jimmy, I think there is

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Speaker 2: I think you could do it situationally like that, and

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Speaker 2: No doubt, no doubt. Hey Jimmy, thanks, Hey, thank you.

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Speaker 2: Hav a great night you you as well. I think

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Speaker 2: Hunter and Abbott and Lodolo and Singer in theory, would

431
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Speaker 2: go from getting thirty two starts to twenty seven starts,

432
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Speaker 2: So you'd be losing twenty starts off your four best

433
00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:46,400
Speaker 2: to give them to somebody else. But hey, in this case,

434
00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:49,240
Speaker 2: Chase Burns isn't just somebody else. But I truly think

435
00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:52,720
Speaker 2: managers and general managers sit there and say we can't

436
00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:57,400
Speaker 2: expose our bullpen and only go with seven. I mean,

437
00:23:57,680 --> 00:24:00,119
Speaker 2: think of it. There. It used to be there were

438
00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:04,640
Speaker 2: nine to ten man rotations. We're talking thirteen now, No

439
00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:08,800
Speaker 2: need thirteen, need five starters, and need eight relievers. I'm like,

440
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Speaker 2: oh my goodness, all right. I mentioned this the other night.

441
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Speaker 2: We were talking about it at lunch today. There is

442
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Speaker 2: a grouping of guys and I think I think last season,

443
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Speaker 2: if you watched this team, it was a fun team

444
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Speaker 2: to watch play. But there's a grouping of guys with

445
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Speaker 2: storylines that lead to just what I would call a

446
00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:29,359
Speaker 2: high level of rootability, like the rootability factor for some

447
00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:31,520
Speaker 2: guys in this team. And the more I thought about it,

448
00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:35,040
Speaker 2: I put together a six pack of players to root

449
00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:38,720
Speaker 2: for on this team and the high rootability factor attached

450
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Speaker 2: to them, And I think leading that would be tj Antone.

451
00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:43,440
Speaker 2: I mean, the guy's coming back from Tommy john surgery.

452
00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:46,800
Speaker 2: That's challenging. Coming back from two is a really big ask.

453
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Speaker 2: Coming back from three, which he's trying to do, it

454
00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:52,200
Speaker 2: has only been done twice in Major League Baseball history.

455
00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:55,320
Speaker 2: Think about that. But who wants to tell thirty two

456
00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:57,639
Speaker 2: year old TJ in tone No that he can't do it?

457
00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:01,360
Speaker 2: He pitched a scoreless inning on Sunday, reached ninety five

458
00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:03,840
Speaker 2: miles an hour, struck out the sixty home run guy

459
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Speaker 2: cal Raleigh. Can he make it back? Can he be

460
00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:12,359
Speaker 2: a veteran stabilizing force in that pen for Tito and

461
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Speaker 2: Derrick Johnson to kind of sort through? They're dealing with

462
00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:19,880
Speaker 2: like uneven performances of Zach Maxwell and Luis May. He's

463
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Speaker 2: writing a book right now, as TJ Antone, And what

464
00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:26,359
Speaker 2: a chapter this would be. And I go back to

465
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Speaker 2: Redsfest and I asked him. I said, third surgery, a

466
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Speaker 2: third rehab. I said, what would you tell the people

467
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Speaker 2: who say, why, TJ? Why would you want to try

468
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Speaker 2: to come back a third time? Listen to what he said.

469
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Speaker 2: I think someone on the outside who's never been in

470
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Speaker 2: it would say, Man, a third, why put yourself through

471
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Speaker 2: the grind again? What is it that keeps you pushing

472
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Speaker 2: through to this point?

473
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Speaker 4: And why not?

474
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Speaker 8: Now, I'd ask that question, why not. I've seen myself

475
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Speaker 8: have success on a Big League mound, which is the

476
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Speaker 8: highest level of pitching in the world, and I've seen

477
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Speaker 8: myself as success there, and I know that I can

478
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Speaker 8: do that when I'm healthy, and I just I'm not

479
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Speaker 8: ready to give that dream up yet. And so I'm

480
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Speaker 8: just I have to continue to chase. And I've learned

481
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Speaker 8: that the best part of everything, Like you can have

482
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Speaker 8: the success on the mound, but really it's the chase

483
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Speaker 8: that's like the best part. Like the process is it

484
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Speaker 8: when you fall in love with the process and you

485
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Speaker 8: really nail the process and just do the day to

486
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Speaker 8: day to the best of your abilities, Like the things come,

487
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Speaker 8: you know, and they come and they go and whatever

488
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Speaker 8: however the story ends up being written like it, you know,

489
00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:36,600
Speaker 8: it's okay, Like the process is really the most important thing.

490
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Speaker 8: And that's why I.

491
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Speaker 2: Keep chasing it because I just can't give up the process.

492
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Speaker 2: I can't give it up. I love that I'm rooting

493
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Speaker 2: for that guy, and I love what Tito said on

494
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Speaker 2: Sunday during the Inside Pitch. I think it was Sunday.

495
00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:52,600
Speaker 2: Terry Francona was talking with Tommy Thrall for the pregame show,

496
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Speaker 2: and Tommy mentioned how TJ had thrown an inning and

497
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Speaker 2: had hit ninety five and struck out cal Riley, and

498
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Speaker 2: he asked Tito about TJ and to and Tito doesn't.

499
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Speaker 2: Obviously he hasn't had a chance to work with TJ

500
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Speaker 2: in a regular season game, but he certainly is aware

501
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Speaker 2: of TJ. And to listen to what Tito said.

502
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Speaker 9: You know, I feel like I know him because I've

503
00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:19,200
Speaker 9: heard so many people talk about him and rave about him.

504
00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:22,440
Speaker 9: I mean I heard stories that from how he has

505
00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:25,320
Speaker 9: kind of corralled people out here and made it a

506
00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:27,760
Speaker 9: place where you better do it right, which is a

507
00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:31,359
Speaker 9: really good thing. So everybody's pulling for him, you know,

508
00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:34,000
Speaker 9: does he make omny? I don't know. We'll see pitch

509
00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:37,280
Speaker 9: and will dictate that at some point, Like everybody, if

510
00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:39,560
Speaker 9: you can help us, we'll find a way. But he's

511
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Speaker 9: an easy gott to root for.

512
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Speaker 2: No doubt, and I think will Benson's an easy got

513
00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:45,720
Speaker 2: to root for, and the smile and the fire of

514
00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:48,280
Speaker 2: kind of defined him, but so of his struggles, and

515
00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:51,159
Speaker 2: he's kind of like an intangibles guy. They win when

516
00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:53,560
Speaker 2: he's in the lineup. They were seven games over five

517
00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:55,640
Speaker 2: hundred in games he started last year, and they were

518
00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:58,320
Speaker 2: three games under five hundred when he didn't. But he

519
00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:01,520
Speaker 2: hit two twenty six, but he had a nice September.

520
00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:05,480
Speaker 2: And who would root against Will Benson. I think everybody's

521
00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:09,439
Speaker 2: rooting for Matt McClain. It was impossible not to feel

522
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Speaker 2: sorry for him watching him struggle last season mightily. And

523
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Speaker 2: I've said before, I think how he goes in twenty

524
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Speaker 2: twenty six, so go the Reds. Tyler Callahan is a

525
00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:23,400
Speaker 2: guy that I think everybody's rooting for. His the guy

526
00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:26,000
Speaker 2: who busted his tail and dove all out into the

527
00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:29,320
Speaker 2: foul line wall in Atlanta and ended his season last year,

528
00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:33,800
Speaker 2: and that alone, I think cemented his place in this

529
00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:37,359
Speaker 2: city's mind. Is somebody that we're always going to remember

530
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:37,959
Speaker 2: and root for.

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Speaker 4: Now.

532
00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:41,280
Speaker 2: Injuries have followed him in his career. But if he's

533
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Speaker 2: healthy now and he's playing, and he's gonna fight for

534
00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:46,600
Speaker 2: the twenty six spot, but I think Tyler Callahan has

535
00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:49,800
Speaker 2: people rooting for him. Brandon Williamson is a guy I

536
00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:51,440
Speaker 2: root for because I want to see him make it

537
00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:54,320
Speaker 2: back after two years of not pitching, and how he's

538
00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:58,200
Speaker 2: kind of reinvented himself this season and found more velocity.

539
00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:00,000
Speaker 2: And I'll tell you another guy who kind of gets

540
00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:04,000
Speaker 2: forgotten about his Chase Petty. Chase Petty. Last year, when

541
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Speaker 2: he was twenty two, made his major league debut. He

542
00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:08,880
Speaker 2: was the twenty seventh man in the doubleheader at the

543
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Speaker 2: end of April, and he was the youngest Red to

544
00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:15,320
Speaker 2: appear in a game since Homer Bailey in two thousand

545
00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:18,960
Speaker 2: and seven. And he got hammered by the Cardinals nine runs,

546
00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:21,760
Speaker 2: two homers, two and a third innings. It was tough

547
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:24,560
Speaker 2: to watch. He walked off the mound dejected. He sat

548
00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:28,120
Speaker 2: in the dugout with his head in his hands. And then,

549
00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:32,120
Speaker 2: despite the struggles, eleven days later, they called him up

550
00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:35,720
Speaker 2: again when Hunter Green got hurt. Why I still don't know,

551
00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:38,840
Speaker 2: and he got hammered again by the Astros in His

552
00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:41,720
Speaker 2: triple A season was a disaster. His earned run average

553
00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:46,080
Speaker 2: was over six last year. Can the former first round

554
00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:47,719
Speaker 2: pick of the Twins, and a guy who was a

555
00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:52,200
Speaker 2: top one hundred prospect get back on track. He's the

556
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:54,800
Speaker 2: guy I'm rooting for. It's just a group of guys.

557
00:29:54,840 --> 00:30:00,320
Speaker 2: It's easy to like and root for collectively as a team. Uh,

558
00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:03,920
Speaker 2: back to the phones, how about Springboro and Aaron? You

559
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:06,600
Speaker 2: were on seven hundred WLW.

560
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Speaker 4: Hey ticks kicking call?

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Speaker 10: Sure.

562
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Speaker 4: I just wanted to have another thought on the sixth

563
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Speaker 4: man rotation. And I hope that you know and some

564
00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:18,800
Speaker 4: of the coaches really really strongly consider this. Think about

565
00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:22,640
Speaker 4: this last year. What do we get? What starter gave

566
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Speaker 4: us thirty or more starts? Was there only Brady Singer?

567
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Speaker 2: Yes?

568
00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:29,520
Speaker 4: Okay, so if one guy out of your five or

569
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Speaker 4: six starters gave you the thirty, why not just have

570
00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:36,560
Speaker 4: the mentality of, Hey, let's go into the season planning

571
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Speaker 4: on hopefully keeping everybody as healthy as possible, and everybody

572
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Speaker 4: gets twenty six, twenty seven, maybe twenty eight starts, Because

573
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Speaker 4: if you if you have a six man rotation, theoretically

574
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Speaker 4: each one of those guys with that extra day rest,

575
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Speaker 4: they should be able to push through the sixth inning

576
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Speaker 4: and possibly get to the seventh inning on knights that

577
00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:55,120
Speaker 4: they've got it.

578
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Speaker 2: But but, but, now, I like, I like where you're going.

579
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Speaker 2: But what happened on the night that somebody goes three

580
00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:04,120
Speaker 2: or four or five.

581
00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:08,040
Speaker 4: Sure, yeah it's gonna happen, but still only being down

582
00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:11,680
Speaker 4: one reliever. I think there's enough verstal arms that they're

583
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:13,760
Speaker 4: gonna put on this squad that they should be able

584
00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:15,640
Speaker 4: to make up for that. I mean, I don't know.

585
00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:20,920
Speaker 2: Let's remember they used three three who made career high appearances.

586
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:23,480
Speaker 2: Last year Tito went to the bullpen. There were only

587
00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:25,440
Speaker 2: four managers in all of baseball who went to the

588
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:28,800
Speaker 2: bullpen more than Tito. Last year. He rode guys hard,

589
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:32,840
Speaker 2: and I see where you're going. I like it. In theory,

590
00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:37,000
Speaker 2: the problem becomes your season can tail spin. One short

591
00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:40,960
Speaker 2: start just blows everything up and it takes it takes

592
00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:43,440
Speaker 2: you a week to catch back up because it blows

593
00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:44,200
Speaker 2: up your bullpen.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I guess. I mean, I just I love Tito,

595
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:50,560
Speaker 4: since you got my Red Sox their first World Series

596
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:53,840
Speaker 4: years ago, are respecting to death and think you're a

597
00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:56,400
Speaker 4: great manager. But I just think last year was kind

598
00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:58,080
Speaker 4: of a learning curve for him with this team. No,

599
00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:00,640
Speaker 4: I agree with that more him this year.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with one thing.

601
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Speaker 4: I would at least, like you said, maybe late in

602
00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:06,080
Speaker 4: the season, when they're starting to get tired, maybe you

603
00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:07,800
Speaker 4: go to a three week stretch and give it a

604
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:08,480
Speaker 4: shot that way.

605
00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:12,160
Speaker 2: Sure, sure, Hey, Aaron, thanks buddy, have a have a

606
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:14,920
Speaker 2: great night. Boy. I enjoyed the baseball conversation that hour.

607
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:17,960
Speaker 2: Still I had some college basketball, Duke Tobin and more.

608
00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:21,440
Speaker 2: Arnel Carrier Sports Talk presented by Kelsey Chevalle seven hundred

609
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Speaker 2: WLW head down the Stretch, put the first of two

610
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Speaker 2: in the books, Two in the Books, eight o'clock hour,

611
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Speaker 2: a little bit on the more on the Reds, Duke Tobin,

612
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Speaker 2: and a topic I've been thinking about. Actually, I'll give

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Speaker 2: you this will be an early homework assignment. It's from

614
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Speaker 2: the website or the Twitter account Baseball History Nut. And

615
00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:43,880
Speaker 2: the question was name a player your favorite team gave

616
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Speaker 2: up on too early. And I've been thinking about that

617
00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:49,880
Speaker 2: ever since. And like the name, just whether it's gave

618
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:53,640
Speaker 2: it up on Twiler and released or or traded or

619
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Speaker 2: and I'll take I'll take Frank Robinson and put him

620
00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:00,880
Speaker 2: off to the side. I think everybody can Frank Robinson

621
00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:03,400
Speaker 2: like might being the headliner the old thirty they gave

622
00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:05,400
Speaker 2: up on him. But think about that for the eight

623
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Speaker 2: o'clock out round eight twenty or so. A former Red

624
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:12,400
Speaker 2: or Bengal or somebody here that your favorite team gave

625
00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:17,600
Speaker 2: up on too early and they dealt, they released, they

626
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:19,760
Speaker 2: let walk in free agency because they didn't think it

627
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:21,960
Speaker 2: was it was gonna be that big a loss. We'll

628
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:24,720
Speaker 2: do that coming up at a twenty. Bearcats lose last night.

629
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Speaker 2: Jumped out to an early lead, not a big lead.

630
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:29,440
Speaker 2: They hit their first nine shots. They hit their first

631
00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:32,400
Speaker 2: nine shots of the game last night, then hit sixteen

632
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Speaker 2: of their next fifty three. They went from leading by

633
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Speaker 2: nine to losing by twelve. They actually fell behind seventeen

634
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:42,440
Speaker 2: at one point at Texas Tech last night, eighty to sixty,

635
00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:45,280
Speaker 2: eighth to final. UC drops to fifteen and thirteen overall,

636
00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:49,000
Speaker 2: seven and eight. In the Big twelve, they got out

637
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:54,040
Speaker 2: rebounded forty to twenty four. Second chance points were outscored

638
00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:58,280
Speaker 2: nineteen to eight, and their defense got torched, giving up

639
00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:01,320
Speaker 2: fifty two percent from the field. Here's Wes after the

640
00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:03,160
Speaker 2: game with Dan and Terry.

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Speaker 6: Ten teams whatever it is, you know, within three days

642
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:09,120
Speaker 6: on the road and we went one and one, and

643
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Speaker 6: doesn't mean we got to be happy about anything tonight.

644
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:13,520
Speaker 6: We can be pissed off, but now we got to

645
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Speaker 6: come back and protect home court on Saturday.

646
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Speaker 2: And that's that's what this league's all about.

647
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:19,160
Speaker 6: Man Like. You can't pout and put your head down

648
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:21,040
Speaker 6: and lose your confidence. You got to come back on

649
00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:23,520
Speaker 6: Saturday man like Knights like this happened to everybody in

650
00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:23,919
Speaker 6: our league.

651
00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:26,200
Speaker 2: Houston just lost three in a row. That's this league.

652
00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:28,480
Speaker 6: So the best teams in this league, they do split

653
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:30,600
Speaker 6: stretches like this. So the teams that win this league

654
00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:32,160
Speaker 6: go one and one in stretches. But then they got

655
00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:34,080
Speaker 6: to go back and protect home court. And we're trying

656
00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:35,799
Speaker 6: to climb the ladder in this league. I think we

657
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:37,480
Speaker 6: have the ability to keep doing it. We got to

658
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:39,120
Speaker 6: respond the right way like we have all year. So

659
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:40,279
Speaker 6: Saturday is a big game for us.

660
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:44,600
Speaker 2: You see, hit their first four threes last night, then

661
00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:48,240
Speaker 2: hit four of their final twenty in the game, allowed

662
00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:50,600
Speaker 2: a fifteen to two run to close the half, and

663
00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:52,680
Speaker 2: after all of that, after starting the game hitting their

664
00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:56,319
Speaker 2: first nine at the half, they trailed by eight. They

665
00:34:56,360 --> 00:35:00,840
Speaker 2: lose by twelve sixty or eighty sixty eight the final score.

666
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:04,200
Speaker 2: Next up Oklahoma State on Saturday, Texas Tech doing that

667
00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:06,680
Speaker 2: last night without the Big twelve Player of the year JT.

668
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:10,240
Speaker 2: Toppin twenty one points ten boards a game, and Texas

669
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:16,000
Speaker 2: Tech outrebounted UC by sixteen. Without Toppin and his eleven

670
00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:19,799
Speaker 2: rebounds per game, Miami is twenty eight to oh RedHawks win,

671
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:22,880
Speaker 2: held Eastern Michigan scoreless in the first six and a

672
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:25,359
Speaker 2: half minutes of the game, raced to a twelve dozing lead,

673
00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:28,040
Speaker 2: and they win seventy four to sixty four. They are

674
00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:30,239
Speaker 2: fifteen to zero in conference played for the first time

675
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:33,080
Speaker 2: in program history. They've won thirteen straight on the road.

676
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:36,560
Speaker 2: Brant Byers led four RedHawks and double figures with sixteen.

677
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:40,680
Speaker 2: Peter Souter, the pride of Carmel High School, surpassed fifteen

678
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:44,200
Speaker 2: hundred points for his college career. Miami committed just four

679
00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:47,920
Speaker 2: turnovers four. Keep in mind they lost Evan Ipsarrow, the

680
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:50,839
Speaker 2: pride of Cuvcat who was their starting point guard. Lost

681
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:53,319
Speaker 2: him like eight games into the season, and they only

682
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:57,000
Speaker 2: had four turnovers last night and held Eastern Michigan to

683
00:35:57,160 --> 00:35:59,719
Speaker 2: thirty four percent shooting. Travis has talked a lot about

684
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:04,560
Speaker 2: win different ways, finding ways to win. Miami missed twenty

685
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:08,560
Speaker 2: three of twenty eight threes last night. They only shot

686
00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:12,319
Speaker 2: forty percent from the field. They still won by ten.

687
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:16,200
Speaker 2: They played it and did it with defense last night,

688
00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:18,719
Speaker 2: and the defense has been getting better and better. The

689
00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:21,640
Speaker 2: offense was never in question. The defense starting to catch

690
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:25,439
Speaker 2: up with that lug out. Twenty eight and h three

691
00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:29,440
Speaker 2: games left in the regular season, unbelievable. All right, still ahead,

692
00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:31,400
Speaker 2: a little bit more on the Reds and you'll hear

693
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:33,880
Speaker 2: from Duke Tobin. It's RNL Carrier Sports Talk presented by

694
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:37,560
Speaker 2: Kelsey Chevallet seven hundred WLW.

695
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:54,640
Speaker 1: The following takes place between eight pm and nine pm.

696
00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:58,640
Speaker 2: Oh Man, eight o'clock hourys underway. Thanks for sticking around.

697
00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:01,200
Speaker 2: If you're just joining us, welcome RNL Carry or Sports

698
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:05,600
Speaker 2: Talk presented by Kelsey Chevrolet. I'm llonce McAllister Dan Carroll's

699
00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:08,120
Speaker 2: in at nine o'clock. He'll take you nine to midnight.

700
00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:12,160
Speaker 2: Things going from bad doors for the Musketeers playing in Providence.

701
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:15,520
Speaker 2: The game delayed by a day. Providence now up by

702
00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:20,799
Speaker 2: twenty three, thirty nine to sixteen, with five forty eight

703
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:24,560
Speaker 2: to go in the HALFA didn't Xavier trail at Hinkle

704
00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:27,640
Speaker 2: on Saturday by twenty one at one point. Now they

705
00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:30,480
Speaker 2: did rally back to two, but they're down by twenty

706
00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:34,480
Speaker 2: one now at three cuts it to eighteen. But a

707
00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:38,799
Speaker 2: major uphill climb on the road at Providence tonight. All right,

708
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:40,920
Speaker 2: let's get into some Bengals in this era and then

709
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:42,560
Speaker 2: we'll get back into some Reds. And I got a

710
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:45,280
Speaker 2: question for I need your help on the combine underway.

711
00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:48,080
Speaker 2: Of course, Duke Tobin spoke yesterday, Zach Taylor spoke yesterday.

712
00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:51,239
Speaker 2: I'm gonna let you hear four different sound bites radio term,

713
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:55,480
Speaker 2: four different cuts audio from Duke Tobin, and I'm going

714
00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:57,560
Speaker 2: to try to maintain my composure and not get too

715
00:37:57,640 --> 00:38:03,799
Speaker 2: upset because this stuff just it really I don't know.

716
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:07,880
Speaker 2: I guess it's a smugness that bothers me more than anything.

717
00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:12,880
Speaker 2: When Duke says the things he says, let's start, what

718
00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:17,560
Speaker 2: will start calm. Here's his thoughts yesterday with the assembled

719
00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:20,200
Speaker 2: media about the off season ahead. Take a listen.

720
00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:24,560
Speaker 11: We're excited about attacking this offseason. We have resources to

721
00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:26,560
Speaker 11: attack the off season in a big way, and we

722
00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:28,920
Speaker 11: want to do that. In terms of how we're going

723
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:32,319
Speaker 11: to do that, how we're going to allocate our resources.

724
00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:34,920
Speaker 11: Who is it going to be on our own free agents.

725
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:37,560
Speaker 11: What's our intentions there. I'm not going to get into

726
00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:41,080
Speaker 11: that right here. It's just not the time to announce

727
00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:43,239
Speaker 11: that to the rest of the league. So that's the

728
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:44,600
Speaker 11: best way I can answer that.

729
00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:47,319
Speaker 2: All right. But he said they're excited and and big

730
00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:51,720
Speaker 2: things and yes, and and then he drops this line,

731
00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:58,000
Speaker 2: which I just I you, when you say stuff like this,

732
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:03,920
Speaker 2: how do I put this? You're not serious when you

733
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:07,440
Speaker 2: say stuff like this. You believe you can say it

734
00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:11,719
Speaker 2: because you think your fans are stupid. Listen to Duke

735
00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:15,840
Speaker 2: Tobin when ask about is this an off season based

736
00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:19,479
Speaker 2: on the point in Joe's career to go all in?

737
00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:21,120
Speaker 2: Listen to Duke Tobin.

738
00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:25,319
Speaker 11: So the questions on whether we're all in or not,

739
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:28,080
Speaker 11: I've been doing this a long time. I've never not

740
00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:31,640
Speaker 11: been all in. We are all in. We are trying

741
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:34,799
Speaker 11: to get the best team possible with the resources we have.

742
00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:37,720
Speaker 11: You know, last year we went all in. We signed

743
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:41,399
Speaker 11: over four hundred million dollars worth of contracts going all in.

744
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:44,040
Speaker 11: That's what we do. We want to be all in.

745
00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:47,160
Speaker 11: We're trying to put the best roster together every year,

746
00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:48,400
Speaker 11: and this year is no difference.

747
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:54,359
Speaker 2: Okay, just stop, Just stop, because no matter how many

748
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:57,799
Speaker 2: times Duke Tobin speaks, no matter what he says, he's

749
00:39:57,840 --> 00:40:01,240
Speaker 2: still the guy that has built twenty four different Bengals

750
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:05,400
Speaker 2: teams in his time here, and they've produced a losing record.

751
00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:09,560
Speaker 2: They've had a grand total of eleven winning seasons in

752
00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:13,640
Speaker 2: his twenty four as Director of Player Personnel. They've made

753
00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:18,520
Speaker 2: two playoff appearances in the last decade. Those are just facts.

754
00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:22,160
Speaker 2: Those aren't even opinions. So if you are going to

755
00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:26,120
Speaker 2: be as smug as to say publicly, we've always gone

756
00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:29,560
Speaker 2: all in since I've been here, riddle me this, batman,

757
00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:33,239
Speaker 2: what would it say about you and the organization when

758
00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:36,839
Speaker 2: if in fact you've always gone all in, that you've

759
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:42,560
Speaker 2: only made the playoffs twice in the last decade, and

760
00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:47,799
Speaker 2: if you've always gone all in, explain then the net

761
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:51,319
Speaker 2: result being a record of one to eighty five, one

762
00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:57,800
Speaker 2: ninety nine and four and getting a twenty fifth attempt

763
00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:05,240
Speaker 2: to do it again twenty four years of building Bengals teams.

764
00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:08,600
Speaker 2: Their winning percentage with Duke Tobin as Director of Player

765
00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:14,560
Speaker 2: of Personnel is four eighty two, eleven winning seasons in

766
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:20,360
Speaker 2: twenty four. How many show up hands how many around

767
00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:23,880
Speaker 2: the NFL would be given twenty four years to build teams,

768
00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:29,280
Speaker 2: produce eleven winners and missed the playoffs, going all in

769
00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:32,200
Speaker 2: eight of the last ten years, and beginning a twenty

770
00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:35,520
Speaker 2: fifth attempt at doing it again. I just don't get it,

771
00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:37,920
Speaker 2: and it drives me crazy. It doesn't drive me crazy

772
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:40,279
Speaker 2: that he's still here. It drives me crazy that he

773
00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:43,960
Speaker 2: says stuff like that with a straight face, because it

774
00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:49,240
Speaker 2: shouldn't be taken seriously. It just really bothers me because

775
00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:53,000
Speaker 2: that stuff is said when you think people are stupid

776
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:54,879
Speaker 2: and they just don't know what he better.

777
00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:55,560
Speaker 3: I don't know.

778
00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:59,440
Speaker 2: I'm raising my hand. I think I know better. You

779
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:02,680
Speaker 2: win all last year? Well, you had the worst defense

780
00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:05,759
Speaker 2: in football, you fired your defensive coordinator, and all you

781
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:09,040
Speaker 2: did on that side was signed TJ Slayton. How did

782
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:12,680
Speaker 2: it turn out? All in my rear?

783
00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:15,279
Speaker 4: I just.

784
00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:18,120
Speaker 12: It just it.

785
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:35,080
Speaker 2: It's infuriating. H I I just I don't. He also

786
00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:37,640
Speaker 2: said they don't. He doesn't throw anything on or off

787
00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:40,120
Speaker 2: the table with Trey Hendrickson. We'll see what happens. Oh,

788
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:42,879
Speaker 2: I forgot this one. He said, we've got a team

789
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:45,319
Speaker 2: that can win it. In my opinion, win it all.

790
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:49,480
Speaker 2: That's my opinion. Nobody else believes it, fine, but I

791
00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:56,839
Speaker 2: do well? Then help me here. You didn't last year

792
00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:04,920
Speaker 2: and you think you're going to this year, Well, I'm

793
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:07,839
Speaker 2: missing something. I think you've got a team that can

794
00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:11,480
Speaker 2: win it. It was one of the worst defenses in

795
00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:16,000
Speaker 2: the history of the franchise last year. But it's his opinion,

796
00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:21,240
Speaker 2: and if nobody else believes it, fine, he does well.

797
00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:26,160
Speaker 2: He's also then delusional. There's just it's just I don't

798
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:30,839
Speaker 2: like I really get irritated by smug people, and that

799
00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:35,040
Speaker 2: yesterday was smug, and I just don't think it's fair

800
00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:40,440
Speaker 2: to fans. I don't One other football note before I

801
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:43,399
Speaker 2: transitioned back into some reds. I saw this last night

802
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:48,080
Speaker 2: from the United Football League and I kind of like it.

803
00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:50,760
Speaker 2: Now you can argue the merits of the United Football

804
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:52,560
Speaker 2: League the UFL and if it's gonna last or not.

805
00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:55,799
Speaker 2: But did you see what they announced yesterday? How about

806
00:43:55,800 --> 00:44:01,439
Speaker 2: a four point fueld goal. Any sixcessful field goal kicked

807
00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:06,120
Speaker 2: from sixty yards or further will be worth four points

808
00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:09,280
Speaker 2: this season in the United Football League, which in theory

809
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:13,560
Speaker 2: is great, But how do you prevent what happens if, say,

810
00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:18,560
Speaker 2: you're down by say you need the four pointer and

811
00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:22,080
Speaker 2: you're not in range, you're inside of range. What's going

812
00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:24,840
Speaker 2: to prevent a team from purposely dropping back and taking

813
00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:27,040
Speaker 2: a knee to move you see what I'm saying, to

814
00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:30,279
Speaker 2: move into sixty yard range to kick the field goal

815
00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:34,480
Speaker 2: because you need two point four points, but you weren't

816
00:44:34,719 --> 00:44:37,080
Speaker 2: far enough back to get the four, so you have

817
00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:43,120
Speaker 2: to then lose yards on purpose. I'm not sure how

818
00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:45,440
Speaker 2: that's going to look. The other thing, they're changing their

819
00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:48,080
Speaker 2: rule to one foot in bounds. I love that. I've

820
00:44:48,080 --> 00:44:51,040
Speaker 2: never understood why you need both feed inbounds. The NFL

821
00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:55,040
Speaker 2: is does not like copying College. The NFL should copy

822
00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:57,960
Speaker 2: College and say one foot in your inbounds. They're eliminating

823
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:02,440
Speaker 2: the tush push punt inside the fifty yard line. I

824
00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:05,120
Speaker 2: like that. I'd adopt that for the NFL. And how

825
00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:10,640
Speaker 2: about this point after touchdown? There's three options. There's a

826
00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:14,520
Speaker 2: one point conversion, a two point conversion, and a three

827
00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:18,399
Speaker 2: point conversion. After you score the touchdown, you can line

828
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:21,279
Speaker 2: up and kick a thirty three yard field goal for

829
00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:23,920
Speaker 2: the one point, or you can put the ball at

830
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:27,759
Speaker 2: the two and try to go for two. Or you

831
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:30,719
Speaker 2: can put the ball at the eight and try to

832
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:35,240
Speaker 2: go for three. I think I kind of like Dad

833
00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:38,319
Speaker 2: and their overtime. Each team gets three attempts from the

834
00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:41,480
Speaker 2: five yard line, and if after the three attempts for

835
00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:44,760
Speaker 2: each team it's still tied, the teams will alternate until

836
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:51,560
Speaker 2: there's a winner. The UFL United Football League announcing those

837
00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:56,840
Speaker 2: changes yesterday. All right, when we come back the Twitter

838
00:45:56,880 --> 00:46:05,440
Speaker 2: account baseball history Nut pose this question. Name a player

839
00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:13,360
Speaker 2: that your favorite team gave up on too early? Think Reds,

840
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:17,560
Speaker 2: think Bengals, and let's work on a list.

841
00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:18,359
Speaker 4: Now.

842
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:21,800
Speaker 2: I've removed Frank Robinson from the conversation. I've beat everybody

843
00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:24,960
Speaker 2: to the punch. Frank Robinson traded him? Is an old

844
00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:27,480
Speaker 2: thirty how'd that work out? He won the MVP in

845
00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:31,440
Speaker 2: the Triple Crown? Who else RhD or Bengal? Either the

846
00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:38,160
Speaker 2: Reds or Bengals cut him, traded him, let him walk

847
00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:40,080
Speaker 2: in free agency. Thought it wasn't going to be that

848
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:44,040
Speaker 2: big a deal. But they gave up on a player

849
00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:48,120
Speaker 2: too early, meaning they went someplace else, and you said,

850
00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:52,080
Speaker 2: see look at what they did there. I'll give you

851
00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:54,160
Speaker 2: my names, you give me yours. As we continue RNL

852
00:46:54,239 --> 00:46:57,960
Speaker 2: Carrier Sports Talk presented by Kelsey Chevalet seven hundred. WLW

853
00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:02,480
Speaker 2: has crept within thirteen at the half against Providence trailing

854
00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:06,160
Speaker 2: forty seven thirty four forty seven thirty and since FC

855
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:09,719
Speaker 2: Cincinnati has scored again six nothing, six nothing in the

856
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:12,920
Speaker 2: fifty eighth minute. The best thing coming out of that

857
00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:16,520
Speaker 2: is they'll get to rest guys for the MLS match

858
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:20,080
Speaker 2: this weekend, no doubt about that. All right. I forgot

859
00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:22,200
Speaker 2: there were two other I guess solved, so so worked

860
00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:24,719
Speaker 2: up my cardiologist tom I was already scheduled to see

861
00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:28,359
Speaker 2: my cardiologist tomorrow, just regular testing. He's probably gonna say, Okay,

862
00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:32,319
Speaker 2: could you explain a sequence between like eight fourteen and

863
00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:36,879
Speaker 2: eight seventeen last night? Yeah, I can explained. It's Duke

864
00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:40,600
Speaker 2: to but that's how I can explain it. Here's Duke

865
00:47:40,640 --> 00:47:45,440
Speaker 2: from yesterday talking about Dalton Reisner, who is a free agent,

866
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:47,920
Speaker 2: you know, came in, did good things. He's a free agent,

867
00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:51,880
Speaker 2: has expressed on many occasions how he wants to stick around.

868
00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:55,000
Speaker 2: Here is Duke on Dalton Reisner.

869
00:47:56,800 --> 00:47:59,360
Speaker 11: Came in late to the process, really fit in. You know,

870
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:02,160
Speaker 11: I thought we were ended up being a great fit

871
00:48:02,239 --> 00:48:04,920
Speaker 11: for him in how we play, and he became a

872
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:07,760
Speaker 11: great fit for us and and came in and filled

873
00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:11,040
Speaker 11: the need for us, did a nice job fit in. Well,

874
00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:14,200
Speaker 11: I've got a ton of respect for him. Really enjoyed

875
00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:17,480
Speaker 11: getting to know him. He's really, you know, a fantastic

876
00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:19,640
Speaker 11: person just to be around in the locker room on

877
00:48:19,719 --> 00:48:21,839
Speaker 11: a day to day basis. He's a guy that we've

878
00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:23,919
Speaker 11: talked to and we'll see if we can get something done.

879
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:26,919
Speaker 11: He's got decisions to make, and we've got decisions to make,

880
00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:28,879
Speaker 11: and he's a guy that we like a lot.

881
00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:33,040
Speaker 2: Well, then then get it done. And that that is

882
00:48:33,160 --> 00:48:40,440
Speaker 2: That's another thing that drives me insane, the extension of

883
00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:46,719
Speaker 2: negotiations rather than taking care of it. So you know

884
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:49,640
Speaker 2: what's on the books and what you have to work with.

885
00:48:50,120 --> 00:48:55,120
Speaker 2: It's keep it going. Let's keep negotiating and we'll really

886
00:48:55,239 --> 00:49:00,120
Speaker 2: win these negotiations. You know, you what Dalton Reisner, he

887
00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:02,880
Speaker 2: said he wants to be here. Chase Brown should be

888
00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:05,719
Speaker 2: locked up. DJ Turner should be locked up. Had they

889
00:49:05,719 --> 00:49:08,839
Speaker 2: locked up Jamar, Chase and t Higgins early last year

890
00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:11,359
Speaker 2: and gotten it done, they would have saved a lot

891
00:49:11,400 --> 00:49:15,040
Speaker 2: of money to be able to use instead. It's what

892
00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:19,320
Speaker 2: what was the line from Shamar Stewart last year in camp,

893
00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:23,040
Speaker 2: You'd rather win the negotiations than sign the player. And

894
00:49:23,080 --> 00:49:29,600
Speaker 2: it's stuff like that. You just the longer you wait

895
00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:33,239
Speaker 2: the wait is to try to wait out the player. Well,

896
00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:38,319
Speaker 2: well we'll save some money here, get it done, move on,

897
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:42,879
Speaker 2: move on to the next thing. The longer you wait

898
00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:46,480
Speaker 2: on little things like this, it's just well, why would

899
00:49:46,560 --> 00:49:49,640
Speaker 2: you not want Dalton Reisner taking care of him out

900
00:49:49,640 --> 00:49:55,960
Speaker 2: of the way before free agency starts? One more Trey

901
00:49:56,040 --> 00:49:59,680
Speaker 2: Hendrickson and Duke had said he doesn't throw anything on

902
00:49:59,800 --> 00:50:01,920
Speaker 2: or off the table when it comes to what might

903
00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:02,680
Speaker 2: happen with Trey.

904
00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:07,279
Speaker 11: Here's Duke, Trey's been a great player for us. He

905
00:50:07,320 --> 00:50:09,960
Speaker 11: didn't have the year he wanted this year. We didn't

906
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:12,880
Speaker 11: have the year we wanted this year. Those are factors

907
00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:15,279
Speaker 11: and we'll see where we go from there. But in

908
00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:17,799
Speaker 11: terms of how we're going to deploy the tag, if

909
00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:20,120
Speaker 11: we are going to, that's not something I'm going to

910
00:50:20,160 --> 00:50:20,960
Speaker 11: talk about here.

911
00:50:21,360 --> 00:50:24,600
Speaker 2: Duke Tobin. Yesterday, all right, from a baseball history nut

912
00:50:24,640 --> 00:50:29,399
Speaker 2: on Twitter at Baseball History Nut, the question was name

913
00:50:29,440 --> 00:50:32,240
Speaker 2: a player your favorite team gave up on too early?

914
00:50:32,560 --> 00:50:34,880
Speaker 2: And that could be just believing he wasn't going to

915
00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:39,120
Speaker 2: be good and cutting him, releasing him. Maybe it's trading him.

916
00:50:39,239 --> 00:50:42,800
Speaker 2: Can't take it anymore, Let's get something for him. Whatever

917
00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:48,399
Speaker 2: the case is, somebody your team gave up on too

918
00:50:48,480 --> 00:50:51,759
Speaker 2: early and moved on from How about Edwin and Carnacion

919
00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:55,319
Speaker 2: twenty six years old when the Reds traded him to

920
00:50:55,480 --> 00:50:57,839
Speaker 2: Toronto when part of the Scott Roland trade. Everybody loves

921
00:50:57,840 --> 00:51:02,120
Speaker 2: Scott Roland and to the Reds defense of this, The

922
00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:04,600
Speaker 2: Reds traded him to the Blue Jays. The blue Jays

923
00:51:04,640 --> 00:51:08,919
Speaker 2: waved him, the A's picked him up, The A's waved him.

924
00:51:09,280 --> 00:51:12,440
Speaker 2: The blue Jays brought him back eventually. Whatever it was,

925
00:51:12,600 --> 00:51:15,920
Speaker 2: maybe it was just maturity. Edwin in Cornassion goes on

926
00:51:15,960 --> 00:51:18,399
Speaker 2: to hit four hundred and twenty four home runs, three

927
00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:21,600
Speaker 2: hundred and seventy doubles, A three time All Star, drove

928
00:51:21,640 --> 00:51:24,839
Speaker 2: in over twelve hundred runs in his career. How about

929
00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:27,799
Speaker 2: Edwin and Cornassion, I'll go old school, well not that

930
00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:32,359
Speaker 2: old school. Nineteen eighty seven, the Reds traded Jeff Montgomery.

931
00:51:33,800 --> 00:51:37,680
Speaker 2: Jeff Montgomery was twenty six years old. He'd made fourteen

932
00:51:37,719 --> 00:51:42,240
Speaker 2: appearances for the Reds in his rookie season. They already

933
00:51:42,239 --> 00:51:45,560
Speaker 2: had John Franco on the roster, so for whatever reason,

934
00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:49,200
Speaker 2: they traded twenty six year old Jeff Montgomery to get

935
00:51:49,200 --> 00:51:53,839
Speaker 2: an outfielder named Van Snyder. Van Snyder went on to

936
00:51:53,840 --> 00:51:56,840
Speaker 2: have a grand total of nineteen at bats for the

937
00:51:56,880 --> 00:52:00,880
Speaker 2: Reds and was done in Major League Baseball never played again.

938
00:52:01,560 --> 00:52:04,920
Speaker 2: Jeff Montgomery went on to save three hundred and four

939
00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:08,000
Speaker 2: games and was a three time All Star with the

940
00:52:08,080 --> 00:52:14,960
Speaker 2: Kansas City Royals. Paul Konerko. The Reds got Paul Kernerco

941
00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:20,759
Speaker 2: for Jeff Shaw at the age of twenty two. He

942
00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:25,360
Speaker 2: got eighty one played appearances for the Reds, and Jim

943
00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:31,880
Speaker 2: Bowden traded him, flipped him for Mike Cameron, traded Jeff

944
00:52:31,880 --> 00:52:35,920
Speaker 2: Shaw to get Kernerko eighty one played appearances, traded him

945
00:52:35,920 --> 00:52:39,399
Speaker 2: to get Mike Cameron, who obviously then got flipped after

946
00:52:39,440 --> 00:52:42,279
Speaker 2: a year to bring in junior. All the while, Paul

947
00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:45,959
Speaker 2: Kernerco went on to hit four hundred and thirty nine

948
00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:53,480
Speaker 2: home runs and over four hundred doubles. Gulp. Now to

949
00:52:53,560 --> 00:52:56,480
Speaker 2: the Reds defense, They bet on Sean Casey. At that

950
00:52:56,520 --> 00:53:00,000
Speaker 2: point they already had Sean Casey, and we love Sean

951
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:03,520
Speaker 2: on Casey, but the Reds moved on from Paul Kernerco

952
00:53:03,560 --> 00:53:06,160
Speaker 2: who was twenty two at the time. I'll give you

953
00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:09,839
Speaker 2: one for the Bengals, Jake Elliott. The Bengals drafted Jake

954
00:53:09,880 --> 00:53:13,000
Speaker 2: Elliott in the fifth round, brought him into camp, and

955
00:53:13,239 --> 00:53:20,279
Speaker 2: in training camp cut him to keep Randy Bullock. Jake

956
00:53:20,320 --> 00:53:23,319
Speaker 2: Elliott has two rings and has gone to the Pro

957
00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:31,920
Speaker 2: Bowl with the Philadelphia Eagles. Charlie Joiner. You know Charlie

958
00:53:31,960 --> 00:53:36,360
Speaker 2: Joiner started his career with Houston and the Reds Reds.

959
00:53:36,480 --> 00:53:42,800
Speaker 2: The Bengals acquired him at age twenty eight, played four seasons,

960
00:53:44,440 --> 00:53:48,040
Speaker 2: and they traded him to San Diego. Acquired him at

961
00:53:48,080 --> 00:53:50,960
Speaker 2: age twenty four, played four seasons at age twenty eight,

962
00:53:51,360 --> 00:53:54,120
Speaker 2: traded him to San Diego where he wanted to have

963
00:53:54,520 --> 00:53:59,680
Speaker 2: five hundred and eighty six catches, cementing a Hall of

964
00:53:59,680 --> 00:54:04,440
Speaker 2: Fame career. I'll give you another Bengal. I'm thinking about it.

965
00:54:04,680 --> 00:54:08,120
Speaker 2: Justin Smith. Justin Smith was the fourth pick overall in

966
00:54:08,160 --> 00:54:11,239
Speaker 2: two thousand and one, and I always thought going that

967
00:54:11,400 --> 00:54:13,719
Speaker 2: high kind of changed the expectations for him and he

968
00:54:13,760 --> 00:54:15,279
Speaker 2: was never going to be able. He was never going

969
00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:17,319
Speaker 2: to live up to the billing of the number four pick.

970
00:54:17,320 --> 00:54:22,600
Speaker 2: In the draft, but after seven years he'd left. He

971
00:54:22,640 --> 00:54:26,400
Speaker 2: went to San Francisco. He played seven years with the Bengals,

972
00:54:26,760 --> 00:54:30,080
Speaker 2: and he played seven years with the Niners. In five

973
00:54:30,080 --> 00:54:32,440
Speaker 2: of those seven years with the Niners he went to

974
00:54:32,480 --> 00:54:38,719
Speaker 2: the Pro Bowl five times. I'll give you another Red

975
00:54:40,600 --> 00:54:44,279
Speaker 2: rycell Igalasias, and I say this because I know, for

976
00:54:44,320 --> 00:54:47,120
Speaker 2: whatever reason, I remember when things happened, by the strangest things.

977
00:54:47,200 --> 00:54:50,280
Speaker 2: I was in a target in Louisville, shopping with Peyton

978
00:54:51,360 --> 00:54:54,080
Speaker 2: when I got the text that the Reds had traded

979
00:54:54,160 --> 00:54:59,359
Speaker 2: rys Ella Galacias to the Angels, basically for nothing a

980
00:54:59,400 --> 00:55:01,880
Speaker 2: bag of a baseballs in a rising bag was to

981
00:55:01,880 --> 00:55:05,080
Speaker 2: get rid of his salary. And he had had seasons

982
00:55:05,120 --> 00:55:08,839
Speaker 2: with the Reds, saving twenty eight and thirty and thirty four.

983
00:55:09,600 --> 00:55:11,560
Speaker 2: Remember they had tried him as a starting pitcher, and

984
00:55:11,600 --> 00:55:13,400
Speaker 2: he got hurt a couple of times, and they figured

985
00:55:13,400 --> 00:55:15,800
Speaker 2: they weren't gonna be able to handle the workload. Well

986
00:55:16,080 --> 00:55:18,560
Speaker 2: he was making, I'm gonna say, was somewhere in the

987
00:55:18,560 --> 00:55:21,680
Speaker 2: neighborhood a six million by that point, and the Reds

988
00:55:22,239 --> 00:55:28,360
Speaker 2: basically gave him away two hundred and fifty three career

989
00:55:28,480 --> 00:55:32,600
Speaker 2: saves and still going with the Atlanta Braves. A couple

990
00:55:32,600 --> 00:55:34,960
Speaker 2: of names that popped into my mind when you think

991
00:55:35,040 --> 00:55:38,520
Speaker 2: of players your favorite team gave up on too early?

992
00:55:39,120 --> 00:55:41,759
Speaker 2: You should have never cut them. You should have never

993
00:55:41,920 --> 00:55:44,600
Speaker 2: traded him, You should have never let him walk in

994
00:55:44,760 --> 00:55:47,719
Speaker 2: free agency? How could you do that? Oh? I just

995
00:55:47,760 --> 00:55:51,080
Speaker 2: thought of Jesse Bates as I said that. There's another

996
00:55:51,120 --> 00:55:54,640
Speaker 2: one on the list. Now that's gonna get me worked

997
00:55:54,719 --> 00:55:58,400
Speaker 2: up on Duke Tobin again. Take your calls as we continue.

998
00:55:58,440 --> 00:56:01,160
Speaker 2: Five one, three, seven, four, nine, seven thousand, what eight

999
00:56:01,280 --> 00:56:04,280
Speaker 2: hundred the Big One? It's Arnel Carrier Sports Talk presented

1000
00:56:04,320 --> 00:56:07,600
Speaker 2: by Kelsey Chevrolet. Who did your favorite team give up

1001
00:56:07,640 --> 00:56:10,600
Speaker 2: on too early? After we checked news?

1002
00:56:10,680 --> 00:56:10,759
Speaker 6: On?

1003
00:56:10,960 --> 00:56:19,960
Speaker 2: Seven hundred WL eight thirty five seven hundred wlw RNL

1004
00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:22,920
Speaker 2: Carrier Sports Talk presented by Kelsey Chevrolet. My name is

1005
00:56:23,000 --> 00:56:26,440
Speaker 2: Lance McAllister. I'm your host, Russ Jackson your producer. What

1006
00:56:26,520 --> 00:56:30,000
Speaker 2: do I always say? Thank you for being a listener

1007
00:56:30,040 --> 00:56:32,680
Speaker 2: tonight and hanging out talk some Reds talks and Bengals

1008
00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:36,080
Speaker 2: having some fun. Dan Carroll's in at nine Reds win

1009
00:56:36,239 --> 00:56:38,880
Speaker 2: earlier today? How good was it listening to Tommy and

1010
00:56:38,920 --> 00:56:42,120
Speaker 2: the Cowboy? Cowboy was talking about members only Jackets. I

1011
00:56:42,280 --> 00:56:44,759
Speaker 2: love that. Flashing back to the eighties. Reds beat the

1012
00:56:44,760 --> 00:56:46,840
Speaker 2: White Sox three to two. Let me give you a

1013
00:56:46,880 --> 00:56:48,800
Speaker 2: couple of highlights before we go out to the phones.

1014
00:56:49,239 --> 00:56:51,920
Speaker 2: Sou Stewart stepped to the plate in the second inning

1015
00:56:52,040 --> 00:57:04,760
Speaker 2: and did this. Trust me, he did this. It was long,

1016
00:57:05,320 --> 00:57:08,640
Speaker 2: and it was high, and it was far and it

1017
00:57:08,800 --> 00:57:11,680
Speaker 2: was four hundred and forty feet off the bat at

1018
00:57:11,719 --> 00:57:14,319
Speaker 2: one oh seven point nine. I'll tell you what if

1019
00:57:14,320 --> 00:57:17,640
Speaker 2: you haven't been able to see the Reds to this

1020
00:57:17,680 --> 00:57:21,160
Speaker 2: point in spring training on the TV side, I would

1021
00:57:21,160 --> 00:57:23,720
Speaker 2: say the twenty six pounds of south Stuart lost has

1022
00:57:23,800 --> 00:57:29,480
Speaker 2: been rather noticeable. I mean he he looks Stuart, Oh wait, oh,

1023
00:57:29,520 --> 00:57:31,960
Speaker 2: here's here. It is Felta Jeep center field. On the

1024
00:57:32,000 --> 00:57:32,760
Speaker 2: run of Kunya.

1025
00:57:32,800 --> 00:57:34,880
Speaker 12: He looks up and that is way out of here,

1026
00:57:35,680 --> 00:57:38,880
Speaker 12: straight away center field. Sal Stuart puts the Reds on

1027
00:57:39,000 --> 00:57:40,880
Speaker 12: top one to nothing with his first home run of

1028
00:57:40,880 --> 00:57:41,240
Speaker 12: the spring.

1029
00:57:41,400 --> 00:57:43,240
Speaker 2: Well, what a nice swing by Sal.

1030
00:57:43,400 --> 00:57:46,120
Speaker 10: Stewart pulled the hands in that ball was running in

1031
00:57:46,240 --> 00:57:49,160
Speaker 10: on him, still got the barrel there. Looked like it

1032
00:57:49,240 --> 00:57:51,120
Speaker 10: was just going to be a line drive to center.

1033
00:57:51,280 --> 00:57:53,640
Speaker 10: It was a line drive. It just kept right on going.

1034
00:57:54,440 --> 00:57:57,120
Speaker 10: Great description by cowboy Boy. He did pull the hands

1035
00:57:57,160 --> 00:57:58,480
Speaker 10: in and got.

1036
00:57:59,800 --> 00:58:02,960
Speaker 2: The barrel the bat to it, and I mean quick boom,

1037
00:58:03,360 --> 00:58:05,880
Speaker 2: four hundred and forty feet one oh seven point nine

1038
00:58:05,880 --> 00:58:09,520
Speaker 2: off the bat and back to uh. I sal looks svelt.

1039
00:58:09,880 --> 00:58:12,120
Speaker 2: I mean down twenty six pounds. I can't wait to

1040
00:58:12,120 --> 00:58:14,080
Speaker 2: see what he looks like at second base in terms

1041
00:58:14,120 --> 00:58:17,840
Speaker 2: of increased mobility after the weight loss, but certainly no

1042
00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:21,600
Speaker 2: power lost after that swing. And then JJ Bloodet stepped

1043
00:58:21,600 --> 00:58:24,400
Speaker 2: to the plate and JJ did this.

1044
00:58:24,800 --> 00:58:28,000
Speaker 10: Nicks comes set, He'll check Rodriguez's second pitch to the

1045
00:58:28,000 --> 00:58:31,000
Speaker 10: plate and it is crushed high and deep, and you

1046
00:58:31,160 --> 00:58:32,440
Speaker 10: kiss that baby goodbye.

1047
00:58:32,880 --> 00:58:33,960
Speaker 2: Oh my goodness.

1048
00:58:34,520 --> 00:58:39,000
Speaker 10: That is up on the walkway beyond the burm out

1049
00:58:39,040 --> 00:58:44,240
Speaker 10: in right field, over the bullpens, over everything, Floridy Mercy,

1050
00:58:44,640 --> 00:58:46,000
Speaker 10: three to nothing, Reds.

1051
00:58:46,200 --> 00:58:47,400
Speaker 2: That was not the fastball.

1052
00:58:47,440 --> 00:58:50,880
Speaker 12: That was a split and it was down and ends

1053
00:58:51,000 --> 00:58:55,280
Speaker 12: Plantatious dropped the badhead and whacked it out of here.

1054
00:58:55,560 --> 00:58:58,120
Speaker 2: Let's split those rocks out there, that's what it split.

1055
00:59:00,040 --> 00:59:02,280
Speaker 2: I love the Cowboy and Tommy Throll. Great to have

1056
00:59:02,400 --> 00:59:07,920
Speaker 2: Cowboy back, and very much enjoyed the broadcast earlier today.

1057
00:59:08,080 --> 00:59:12,040
Speaker 2: Red's win, Red's win A cowboy was talking about Ludacrous

1058
00:59:12,120 --> 00:59:14,840
Speaker 2: yesterday and I can't find I got to do it justice.

1059
00:59:14,880 --> 00:59:16,800
Speaker 2: I gotta have it in front of me. The do

1060
00:59:16,880 --> 00:59:19,240
Speaker 2: with jail here, Tommy, they were talking about the concert

1061
00:59:19,280 --> 00:59:21,760
Speaker 2: series at Great American Ballpark and how ludacrous it's gonna

1062
00:59:21,800 --> 00:59:25,160
Speaker 2: be a concert. Tommy Throll says the cowboy. Did you

1063
00:59:25,240 --> 00:59:28,160
Speaker 2: listen to Ludacros on the way down here? The cowboy said,

1064
00:59:28,200 --> 00:59:31,760
Speaker 2: I can't even spell Ludacris, and that in itself is ludicrous.

1065
00:59:33,280 --> 00:59:36,479
Speaker 2: Classic cowboy. Hector Rodriguez had a hit, score to run today.

1066
00:59:36,560 --> 00:59:39,160
Speaker 2: Nathaniel Lowe a hit in a walk. I like that guy.

1067
00:59:39,240 --> 00:59:42,320
Speaker 2: Leo Balcazar I hit. He had a hit yesterday. Tough

1068
00:59:42,360 --> 00:59:45,600
Speaker 2: day for Edwin Arroyo did not charge a ground ball

1069
00:59:45,920 --> 00:59:48,960
Speaker 2: that turned into an infield single and then later booted

1070
00:59:49,040 --> 00:59:51,560
Speaker 2: a ball for an air. Nicolodolo struck out the side

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Speaker 2: in the first two innings, four strikeouts, no runs allowed.

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Speaker 2: Brock Burke at a scoreless inning, Lion Richardson a score

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00:59:58,280 --> 01:00:00,960
Speaker 2: gave up a home run solo shot, and Luis May

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Speaker 2: pitched one inning and blew away the White Sox three

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Speaker 2: strikeouts in his one inning of work. Red's back at

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Speaker 2: it tomorrow afternoon on Fox Sports thirteen sixty All right,

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Speaker 2: back to our list baseball history. Nut on Twitter was

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Speaker 2: asking name of player your favorite team gave up on

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Speaker 2: too early? Maybe they just they released him, were frustrated,

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01:00:22,360 --> 01:00:24,760
Speaker 2: thought he wasn't going to be anything, or they traded him,

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01:00:24,800 --> 01:00:27,600
Speaker 2: couldn't take it any longer, couldn't wait any longer, or

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01:00:27,760 --> 01:00:29,640
Speaker 2: when it came to free agency, they said, we're just

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01:00:29,680 --> 01:00:33,720
Speaker 2: gonna let him walk, and eventually they regretted it. Let's

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Speaker 2: go to low ho Let's go to Loveland, Fred, how

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Speaker 2: are you.

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Speaker 5: I'm doing well, Lance.

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Speaker 13: I am going to go old school on you here. Yes,

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01:00:44,000 --> 01:00:46,600
Speaker 13: it's probably about the mid fifties, the pride of running

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01:00:46,680 --> 01:00:50,520
Speaker 13: high school. Claude ostins Oh came up with the came

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01:00:50,640 --> 01:00:52,760
Speaker 13: up with the Reds.

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01:00:53,360 --> 01:00:54,800
Speaker 2: That really didn't give him a chance.

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Speaker 13: He was up and down in the minors. After a

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Speaker 13: couple of seasons here with the Reds, he got traded

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01:00:59,160 --> 01:01:03,200
Speaker 13: to the Washington Washington Centers was a very bad team

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01:01:03,280 --> 01:01:05,600
Speaker 13: back in that's just the old Senators. Yes, and they

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01:01:05,600 --> 01:01:09,200
Speaker 13: were a very very bad team back in the sixties.

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Speaker 13: But he had some pretty good seasons there a couple

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01:01:11,600 --> 01:01:15,000
Speaker 13: of good seasons, the Dodgers had interest in him. He

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01:01:15,120 --> 01:01:18,080
Speaker 13: traded went to the Los Angeles Dodgers, and that's where

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Speaker 13: he became really a star, an outstanding pitcher, you know,

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01:01:22,680 --> 01:01:28,680
Speaker 13: World Series Champion, All Star pitcher. The guy almost had

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01:01:28,720 --> 01:01:33,680
Speaker 13: two hundred Major league wins. I think I've looked up here,

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01:01:33,800 --> 01:01:38,840
Speaker 13: sixteen hundred plus strikeouts. Those numbers would look real good

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01:01:38,960 --> 01:01:41,240
Speaker 13: on a Reds list if they could have hung onto him.

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Speaker 2: It's amazing to think he debuted at the age of

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01:01:44,720 --> 01:01:49,240
Speaker 2: seventeen seventeen, He never won a game with the Reds,

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01:01:49,560 --> 01:01:51,880
Speaker 2: and then he wound up winning one hundred and ninety

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Speaker 2: six in his career.

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01:01:54,040 --> 01:01:54,560
Speaker 5: There you go.

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Speaker 13: I don't think anybody in the Reds list had ever

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01:01:57,680 --> 01:01:59,320
Speaker 13: won one hundred and ninety six games. I don't know

1112
01:01:59,360 --> 01:02:03,320
Speaker 13: what the Red when his record is, but you know,

1113
01:02:03,400 --> 01:02:08,200
Speaker 13: he was probably my favorite non Red player during the sixties.

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01:02:09,280 --> 01:02:10,760
Speaker 2: Here's here's a little trivia for you.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, he was the winning pitcher in the nineteen seventy

1116
01:02:14,200 --> 01:02:21,040
Speaker 13: All Star Game at Riverfront. The winning pitcher. Wow, Oh,

1117
01:02:21,200 --> 01:02:22,000
Speaker 13: claude o'stein.

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01:02:22,960 --> 01:02:25,880
Speaker 2: How about that's a good one to have on the list.

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Speaker 2: It is great to hear your voice. Please pass along

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Speaker 2: my best to your lovely wife. Phyllis.

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Speaker 13: All right, oh thank you, Lancey made her nice.

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Speaker 2: Thank you brand. There you go, Frand and Phyllis. I

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Speaker 2: miss seeing them at the roundtable shows on Thursday nights.

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Speaker 2: Uh Man claude o'stein. I mean they debuts at seventeen

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Speaker 2: for the Reds and then they said them to the Miners.

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01:02:45,760 --> 01:02:48,680
Speaker 2: The next year. He came back at age nineteen, pitched

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Speaker 2: in a couple of games, pitched in eighteen sixty and

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Speaker 2: sixty one for a couple of games each, and then

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Speaker 2: the Reds traded him. His friend laid out, I would

1130
01:02:56,960 --> 01:03:01,960
Speaker 2: wonder have the Reds ever, have the Reds ever traded

1131
01:03:02,520 --> 01:03:06,840
Speaker 2: or released or had somebody leave who then won one

1132
01:03:06,920 --> 01:03:11,960
Speaker 2: hundred and ninety six games in their career. I bet

1133
01:03:12,000 --> 01:03:16,560
Speaker 2: that's probably the record. I'd have to think about it.

1134
01:03:16,640 --> 01:03:19,120
Speaker 2: I mean, David Wells won a lot of games after

1135
01:03:19,160 --> 01:03:21,480
Speaker 2: the Reds. That Reds brought him in for the ninety

1136
01:03:21,480 --> 01:03:25,680
Speaker 2: five playoff chase, and then David Wells really had a

1137
01:03:25,840 --> 01:03:28,840
Speaker 2: heck of a career even before. I have to wonder

1138
01:03:28,840 --> 01:03:31,680
Speaker 2: how many David Wells won after he left the Reds.

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Speaker 2: But it certainly wouldn't be one hundred and ninety six

1140
01:03:33,640 --> 01:03:35,320
Speaker 2: of them after the Reds. Here we go, I can

1141
01:03:35,320 --> 01:03:39,720
Speaker 2: pull this up. He won a lot after the Reds.

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01:03:39,880 --> 01:03:44,120
Speaker 2: He won looks like one hundred and seventy six, one

1143
01:03:44,200 --> 01:03:47,160
Speaker 2: hundred and seventy games. Ooh, that's pretty close. So the

1144
01:03:47,200 --> 01:03:50,200
Speaker 2: Reds got me pitched an eleven games in nineteen ninety five,

1145
01:03:50,520 --> 01:03:53,200
Speaker 2: and it looks like about one hundred and seventy after

1146
01:03:53,320 --> 01:03:57,600
Speaker 2: leaving the Reds. But that would keep Claude Oustein at

1147
01:03:57,640 --> 01:03:59,320
Speaker 2: the top of Fran's list. That's a going you know

1148
01:03:59,320 --> 01:04:01,080
Speaker 2: who else to Bengal gave up on too early and

1149
01:04:01,120 --> 01:04:05,840
Speaker 2: he's still playing today. Kevin Zeitler. In fact, the Bengals

1150
01:04:05,880 --> 01:04:08,240
Speaker 2: opted not to re sign him. If I remember he

1151
01:04:08,320 --> 01:04:10,720
Speaker 2: left in free agency, he was twenty six a guard.

1152
01:04:10,800 --> 01:04:13,200
Speaker 2: Now you know how the Bengals view guards twenty six

1153
01:04:13,280 --> 01:04:17,520
Speaker 2: years old. He left, he's still playing. He's played nine

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01:04:17,640 --> 01:04:21,320
Speaker 2: seasons since was speaking of left and still played. Andrew

1155
01:04:21,320 --> 01:04:24,840
Speaker 2: Whitworth at thirty five, now yeah you can well he

1156
01:04:24,920 --> 01:04:27,840
Speaker 2: was thirty five. Yeah, well he played five more years

1157
01:04:27,840 --> 01:04:30,840
Speaker 2: that he got a ring, and that'd be one thing

1158
01:04:30,880 --> 01:04:33,280
Speaker 2: if it was just that. But he played five more

1159
01:04:33,360 --> 01:04:36,160
Speaker 2: years while the Reds or the Bengals were dealing with

1160
01:04:36,400 --> 01:04:41,840
Speaker 2: Cedric Coboy he and Jake Fisher who drafted them? Oh,

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01:04:41,880 --> 01:04:44,760
Speaker 2: that would be Duke Tobin. It comes full circle and

1162
01:04:44,880 --> 01:04:50,440
Speaker 2: my head hurts back to the phones. It always, it

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01:04:50,520 --> 01:04:57,560
Speaker 2: always comes back to Duke. How about Oh, now, this

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Speaker 2: this is a headliner on any list in Woodlaw. Hey Jim,

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01:05:00,760 --> 01:05:02,600
Speaker 2: welcome to seven hundred WLW.

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Speaker 3: How you doing tonight?

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Speaker 14: Good?

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Speaker 2: What do you got for me?

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Speaker 14: Hell?

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Speaker 13: I was thinking about the guy that come in and

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01:05:09,000 --> 01:05:12,320
Speaker 13: we knocked Mkowski out and they Brandon and Brett Farpe.

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01:05:12,600 --> 01:05:16,840
Speaker 2: Yes, the Atlanta Falcons had Brett farb He threw four

1173
01:05:17,000 --> 01:05:19,640
Speaker 2: passes in the regular season for him, and they traded

1174
01:05:19,720 --> 01:05:21,640
Speaker 2: him in the Packers. Whatever happened to him?

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Speaker 12: Yeah, yeah, thank you very much.

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Speaker 2: Hey, thank you. That's a that's a good one. Think

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01:05:27,640 --> 01:05:30,080
Speaker 2: about that. The Falcons, and I want to say the

1178
01:05:30,120 --> 01:05:33,560
Speaker 2: Falcons drafted him in the second round, just pulled it up.

1179
01:05:33,600 --> 01:05:36,880
Speaker 2: He was the thirty third pick overall in nineteen ninety one.

1180
01:05:37,520 --> 01:05:41,240
Speaker 2: In that season, he goes, now, how about this? He

1181
01:05:41,320 --> 01:05:47,440
Speaker 2: goes over four passing with two interceptions. They trade him

1182
01:05:47,440 --> 01:05:52,640
Speaker 2: to Green Bay and he plays nineteen more seasons turning

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01:05:52,640 --> 01:05:54,640
Speaker 2: in one of the greatest careers of any quarterback in

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01:05:54,680 --> 01:06:00,840
Speaker 2: the history of the game. Good golly uh Justin For

1185
01:06:00,920 --> 01:06:05,280
Speaker 2: the Reds, Justin Turner was a minor leaguer. He was

1186
01:06:05,320 --> 01:06:08,640
Speaker 2: twenty three years old and I remember him playing at Dayton.

1187
01:06:09,120 --> 01:06:12,360
Speaker 2: He played at Sarasota. He hit three sixteen for the

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01:06:12,400 --> 01:06:16,160
Speaker 2: red Sarasota team and the Reds made a trade. They

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01:06:16,200 --> 01:06:20,480
Speaker 2: needed a catcher. They traded for Ramon Hernandez. The Reds

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01:06:20,600 --> 01:06:25,280
Speaker 2: traded Justin Turner, a minor leaguer, and Ryan Friel to

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01:06:25,360 --> 01:06:30,560
Speaker 2: the Baltimore Orioles for Justin Turner. Justin Turner still playing,

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01:06:30,920 --> 01:06:35,200
Speaker 2: still playing seventeen years in the big leagues, over two

1193
01:06:35,320 --> 01:06:38,840
Speaker 2: hundred homers, over three hundred and fifty doubles, and a

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01:06:38,880 --> 01:06:43,960
Speaker 2: lifetime two eighty three batting average, and they trade. He

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01:06:44,000 --> 01:06:47,800
Speaker 2: had been at a ball in the Reds organization when

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01:06:47,840 --> 01:06:50,920
Speaker 2: they parted with him in a trade and rom maarn Hernandez.

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01:06:50,960 --> 01:06:52,400
Speaker 2: To be fair, he was good for a couple of

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01:06:52,400 --> 01:06:54,400
Speaker 2: seasons for the Reds. Hit an opening day walk off

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Speaker 2: home run. But think about it, Justin Turner is still

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Speaker 2: playing today now. Carrier Sports Talk presented by Kelsey Chevlae

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Speaker 2: seven hundred WLW all right down the stretch we go.

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01:07:07,320 --> 01:07:10,560
Speaker 2: I could use that third hour tonight h two Tomorrow night,

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01:07:10,640 --> 01:07:14,000
Speaker 2: six to eight o'clock trags. Mike Petre is gonna check in,

1204
01:07:14,120 --> 01:07:17,760
Speaker 2: talk a little uh like a little Bengals. He's been

1205
01:07:17,800 --> 01:07:20,640
Speaker 2: in Indie, the Combine. I've got the author of a

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01:07:20,680 --> 01:07:23,720
Speaker 2: new book. He's a local guy. He wrote the Pete

1207
01:07:23,800 --> 01:07:25,560
Speaker 2: Rose book. I had him on about a year ago.

1208
01:07:25,600 --> 01:07:28,680
Speaker 2: He's written a book about Larry Bird. It's an excellent read.

1209
01:07:29,040 --> 01:07:31,960
Speaker 2: He'll join me in the eight o'clock hour. Let's wrap

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Speaker 2: things up on the phones and we'll figure out what

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Speaker 2: happened on this date in sports history. Wilmington, we Go.

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Speaker 2: Hey Charlie, welcome to sports Talk.

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Speaker 14: Hey Lance, I got a little different take on it

1214
01:07:41,320 --> 01:07:43,080
Speaker 14: while I was sitting here. I followed the second one

1215
01:07:43,120 --> 01:07:46,880
Speaker 14: real quick. Yeah, I'm the first one. The Reds passed

1216
01:07:46,920 --> 01:07:51,680
Speaker 14: on Derek Jeter to sign Chad mcpola, although there was

1217
01:07:51,720 --> 01:07:56,040
Speaker 14: a scout, a scouted Jeter and the Reds organization that

1218
01:07:56,160 --> 01:08:01,640
Speaker 14: said he he was really an insinuating the Reds draft,

1219
01:08:02,120 --> 01:08:06,880
Speaker 14: and they passed on it. The second one, I thought

1220
01:08:06,920 --> 01:08:11,520
Speaker 14: of another Hall of Fame career. Yes, the Reds left

1221
01:08:11,840 --> 01:08:17,120
Speaker 14: Trevor Hoffman unprotected. Marlins picked him up insane. He was

1222
01:08:17,160 --> 01:08:20,280
Speaker 14: a short stop, yep, and he ended up the Reds

1223
01:08:20,320 --> 01:08:22,360
Speaker 14: turned him around to be a pitcher because he got

1224
01:08:22,400 --> 01:08:26,400
Speaker 14: a strong arm. And look, another Hall of Fame career.

1225
01:08:26,760 --> 01:08:28,880
Speaker 2: That is such a wild one because they drafted him

1226
01:08:28,880 --> 01:08:32,280
Speaker 2: in the eleventh round, struggled hitting, and you're so right.

1227
01:08:32,320 --> 01:08:35,080
Speaker 2: They converted him into a picture and then could have

1228
01:08:35,280 --> 01:08:38,040
Speaker 2: could have protected him, left him exposed, and the Marlin

1229
01:08:38,120 --> 01:08:40,840
Speaker 2: jumped in and said we'll take him, and six hundred

1230
01:08:40,840 --> 01:08:43,040
Speaker 2: and one saves later, he's in the Hall of Fame.

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Speaker 14: Right, two Hall of Fame careers. Anyways, Hey, you have

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Speaker 14: a great night.

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Speaker 2: Thanks Charlie, you as well. Gene Bennett, say draft Chad

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01:08:52,920 --> 01:08:59,360
Speaker 2: Matola and they drafted, uh, Chad Matola instead of instead

1235
01:08:59,360 --> 01:09:02,519
Speaker 2: of very lark. Chad Mattola is the hitting coach for

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01:09:02,880 --> 01:09:06,479
Speaker 2: somebody in Major League maybe the Rays. I've got a

1237
01:09:06,520 --> 01:09:08,160
Speaker 2: hitting by the way, remind me, I've got a hitting

1238
01:09:08,200 --> 01:09:11,439
Speaker 2: coach topic coming up here. I've done research because it's

1239
01:09:11,439 --> 01:09:13,439
Speaker 2: always been a project to mind because people get wrapped

1240
01:09:13,479 --> 01:09:15,400
Speaker 2: up and hitting coaches have to have been like good

1241
01:09:15,439 --> 01:09:18,320
Speaker 2: major leaguers who hit like three hundred. I went through

1242
01:09:18,320 --> 01:09:20,160
Speaker 2: and I've compiled a list of every hitting coach in

1243
01:09:20,240 --> 01:09:22,960
Speaker 2: Major League Baseball right now in what their background is.

1244
01:09:23,400 --> 01:09:28,920
Speaker 2: I have a project to discuss sometime here soon. Paul O'Neill.

1245
01:09:28,960 --> 01:09:31,960
Speaker 2: Paul O'Neill. Now, you could make the argument, I could

1246
01:09:31,960 --> 01:09:34,439
Speaker 2: make a pretty good argument if Paul O'Neill stayed here,

1247
01:09:34,800 --> 01:09:37,759
Speaker 2: he would not have blossomed and turned into for whatever reason,

1248
01:09:38,600 --> 01:09:42,599
Speaker 2: whether it was his relationship with Lou Panella, although Lou

1249
01:09:42,680 --> 01:09:45,519
Speaker 2: was gone one year after they traded Paul. But and

1250
01:09:45,760 --> 01:09:47,559
Speaker 2: you could also make the argument, no one had any

1251
01:09:47,560 --> 01:09:49,880
Speaker 2: reason to believe that Paul is quiet as he was

1252
01:09:49,920 --> 01:09:52,919
Speaker 2: whatever prosper in New York of all places, and obviously

1253
01:09:52,960 --> 01:09:55,120
Speaker 2: he did. But Paul O'Neill was twenty nine when they

1254
01:09:55,120 --> 01:09:59,040
Speaker 2: traded him, and the season he had just finished with

1255
01:09:59,120 --> 01:10:02,439
Speaker 2: the Reds, his home runs had dropped from twenty eight

1256
01:10:02,479 --> 01:10:06,439
Speaker 2: to fourteen. He'd gone from ninety one ribies to sixty six,

1257
01:10:06,720 --> 01:10:09,200
Speaker 2: and he only hit two forty six, and the Reds

1258
01:10:09,240 --> 01:10:12,080
Speaker 2: were just incredibly frustrated with him. He couldn't hit left

1259
01:10:12,080 --> 01:10:16,040
Speaker 2: handed pitching. He kind of butted heads with Lou, and

1260
01:10:16,120 --> 01:10:18,600
Speaker 2: Paul was kind of hot headed. He would tell you

1261
01:10:18,640 --> 01:10:21,200
Speaker 2: that asked the water coolers about that. But man, he

1262
01:10:21,280 --> 01:10:22,960
Speaker 2: went to New York and ho like how the rest

1263
01:10:22,960 --> 01:10:26,479
Speaker 2: they say is history. Josh Hamilton. Josh Hamilton was twenty

1264
01:10:26,479 --> 01:10:31,320
Speaker 2: six years old and he played ninety games for the

1265
01:10:31,360 --> 01:10:34,679
Speaker 2: Reds in two thousand and seven. He hit nineteen home runs,

1266
01:10:35,280 --> 01:10:39,160
Speaker 2: and the Reds figured at that point he was very volatile.

1267
01:10:39,280 --> 01:10:43,080
Speaker 2: They just they thought, let's flip him for something while

1268
01:10:43,160 --> 01:10:45,879
Speaker 2: we can, because we just don't know that his body's

1269
01:10:45,880 --> 01:10:48,040
Speaker 2: gonna hold up because of all the issues with the

1270
01:10:48,360 --> 01:10:51,519
Speaker 2: drug use and the suspensions. And they had hired what

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01:10:51,960 --> 01:10:55,080
Speaker 2: Jerry Narron's brother to be like his personal I don't

1272
01:10:55,080 --> 01:10:57,840
Speaker 2: want to say, his personal babysitter. FC Cincinnati's won nine

1273
01:10:57,920 --> 01:11:02,000
Speaker 2: to nothing tonight. It's over nothing. And there was resentment

1274
01:11:02,040 --> 01:11:04,280
Speaker 2: within the team that the Reds hired like a personal

1275
01:11:04,320 --> 01:11:06,360
Speaker 2: guy to like follow him around and keep him out

1276
01:11:06,360 --> 01:11:09,240
Speaker 2: of trouble. And the Reds just said, let's trade him now,

1277
01:11:09,320 --> 01:11:12,360
Speaker 2: and they got Edinson volcz and Volcaez was an All

1278
01:11:12,400 --> 01:11:15,040
Speaker 2: Star in his first year and he won seventeen but

1279
01:11:15,200 --> 01:11:17,840
Speaker 2: Josh went to five All Star Games. He won the A,

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Speaker 2: the won the MVP, chased the triple Crown did have

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01:11:23,160 --> 01:11:26,400
Speaker 2: issues later in his life, but man, Josh Hamilton was

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01:11:26,439 --> 01:11:31,639
Speaker 2: won anybody else on my list. You know, you could

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01:11:31,760 --> 01:11:35,160
Speaker 2: argue Tony Perez they moved on from Tony at age

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01:11:35,200 --> 01:11:38,080
Speaker 2: thirty four, and you could say, well, but I'd say

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01:11:38,080 --> 01:11:41,599
Speaker 2: he still played ten more years, that's the crazy thing.

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01:11:41,880 --> 01:11:43,800
Speaker 2: And drove in one hundred and five runs for the

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01:11:43,840 --> 01:11:46,080
Speaker 2: Red Sox one year after they traded him, and won

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01:11:46,120 --> 01:11:50,880
Speaker 2: the World Series with the Phillies. All right, on this

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01:11:51,000 --> 01:11:52,880
Speaker 2: date in sports history. To close it out, let me

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01:11:52,920 --> 01:11:56,599
Speaker 2: see what I have here this date nineteen forty six.

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01:11:57,400 --> 01:12:02,679
Speaker 2: Back from the military after three years of service, Ted

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01:12:02,720 --> 01:12:06,960
Speaker 2: Williams hits the first spring training pitch he sees for

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01:12:07,040 --> 01:12:11,800
Speaker 2: a home run. My goodness, the twenty seven year old

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01:12:11,840 --> 01:12:15,280
Speaker 2: Williams would hit three forty two with thirty eight homers,

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01:12:15,640 --> 01:12:18,479
Speaker 2: one hundred and twenty three runs driven in and win

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01:12:18,520 --> 01:12:26,400
Speaker 2: the MVP. He served our country, flew missions three years

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01:12:26,479 --> 01:12:31,200
Speaker 2: of service. He returns, he wins the MVP. Nineteen sixty four,

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01:12:31,200 --> 01:12:34,800
Speaker 2: On this date, Cassius Clay defeats world heavyweight boxing champs

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01:12:34,840 --> 01:12:38,400
Speaker 2: Sonny Liston in a seventh round technical knockout before a

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01:12:38,439 --> 01:12:41,280
Speaker 2: crowd of eighty three hundred in Miami Beach, Florida. Liston

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01:12:41,400 --> 01:12:45,479
Speaker 2: was an eight to one favorite. Casius Clay became Muhammad

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01:12:45,479 --> 01:12:49,760
Speaker 2: Ali the next day. By the way, my daughter works

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01:12:49,800 --> 01:12:53,920
Speaker 2: at the Muhammad Ali Museum in Louisville and absolutely loves it.

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01:12:54,320 --> 01:12:57,759
Speaker 2: This date, nineteen seventy two lopsided trade alert. The Cordinals

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01:12:57,800 --> 01:13:01,719
Speaker 2: traded Steve Carlton to the Phillies for Rick W. Carleton

1306
01:13:01,760 --> 01:13:04,599
Speaker 2: would go on to win foursy youngs two hundred and

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01:13:04,600 --> 01:13:06,840
Speaker 2: fifty two more games and make the Hall of Fame

1308
01:13:06,880 --> 01:13:09,200
Speaker 2: as one of the greatest lefties of all time. Now

1309
01:13:09,280 --> 01:13:12,799
Speaker 2: Wise would win another one hundred and thirteen, but Carlton

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01:13:12,800 --> 01:13:15,000
Speaker 2: would go on to win another two hundred and fifty

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Speaker 2: two nineteen seventy seven. On this date, Pete Merrivitch sets

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01:13:18,040 --> 01:13:20,919
Speaker 2: the NBA record for a guard when he scored sixty

1313
01:13:21,000 --> 01:13:25,719
Speaker 2: eight points for the New Orleans Jazz and this Red's

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01:13:25,760 --> 01:13:30,519
Speaker 2: note nineteen seventy eight. On this date, the Reds trade

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01:13:30,560 --> 01:13:35,599
Speaker 2: first baseman Dave Revering to the Oakland A's for Doug Bear.

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01:13:36,520 --> 01:13:39,519
Speaker 2: The Reds had tried to trade Revering to the A's

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01:13:39,920 --> 01:13:43,720
Speaker 2: for Vita Blue two months earlier, only to have the

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01:13:43,840 --> 01:13:47,040
Speaker 2: deal voided. By the Commissioner Buie Kun, who said it

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01:13:47,040 --> 01:13:50,479
Speaker 2: would disrupt the competitive ballance of baseball, and it would

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01:13:50,520 --> 01:13:54,040
Speaker 2: be unfair if the mighty two time world champion Reds

1321
01:13:54,200 --> 01:13:57,519
Speaker 2: were to acquire somebody like Vita Blue. So he stepped in,

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01:13:58,439 --> 01:14:01,320
Speaker 2: just like Rob Manford stepped in. Now avoids all those

1323
01:14:01,400 --> 01:14:05,679
Speaker 2: Dodger deal Oh that's right, he doesn't. Doug Bear would

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01:14:05,680 --> 01:14:07,960
Speaker 2: save twenty eight games in his first season with the

1325
01:14:07,960 --> 01:14:10,200
Speaker 2: Cincinnati Reds. Doug Bear spoke the other night at the

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01:14:10,360 --> 01:14:15,040
Speaker 2: Reds Hall of Fame gathering. I have Doug Bear baseball cards.

1327
01:14:15,080 --> 01:14:18,840
Speaker 2: I remember all those baseball cards. And let's see last,

1328
01:14:18,880 --> 01:14:21,920
Speaker 2: but not least, This date, nineteen eighty seven the death

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01:14:21,960 --> 01:14:27,240
Speaker 2: penalty for SMU football. The NCAA suspends the program for

1330
01:14:27,400 --> 01:14:30,720
Speaker 2: repeated violations. The school would cancel the following season. The

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01:14:30,760 --> 01:14:36,360
Speaker 2: program would return two years later and would have one

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01:14:36,479 --> 01:14:43,479
Speaker 2: winning season over the next twenty The thirty for thirty

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01:14:43,720 --> 01:14:45,680
Speaker 2: on Well, I guess it's not on the It's on

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01:14:45,800 --> 01:14:50,360
Speaker 2: Pony Express. Craig James and Eric Dickerson excellent and one

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01:14:50,520 --> 01:14:53,400
Speaker 2: final one of Bengals. Note this date, nineteen ninety six,

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01:14:53,720 --> 01:14:57,479
Speaker 2: the Bengals signed free agent corner Ashley Ambrose, the first

1337
01:14:57,600 --> 01:15:02,040
Speaker 2: million dollar corner in Bengals Free Chai's history. Three years,

1338
01:15:02,439 --> 01:15:05,280
Speaker 2: five million dollars. He would make the Pro Bowl in

1339
01:15:05,320 --> 01:15:09,120
Speaker 2: his first season. There you go, all right, I'm done

1340
01:15:09,280 --> 01:15:11,720
Speaker 2: at a time that flew. It feels like I just

1341
01:15:11,760 --> 01:15:14,640
Speaker 2: sat down. I could have used the third hour. I

1342
01:15:14,680 --> 01:15:16,679
Speaker 2: can give you two tomorrow. How's that for a deal.

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01:15:16,720 --> 01:15:19,320
Speaker 2: We'll talk Bengals, we'll talk Red's, we'll talk with the

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01:15:19,360 --> 01:15:21,880
Speaker 2: author of a Larry Bird book, and more. Thanks to

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01:15:21,920 --> 01:15:25,639
Speaker 2: Russ Jackson for producing tonight. Thank you for making time

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01:15:25,680 --> 01:15:29,439
Speaker 2: and listening tonight. Stick around the News and then Dan Carroll.

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Speaker 2: This has been rd AL Carrier Sports Talk, presented by

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Speaker 2: Kelsey Chevrolet seven hundred WLW