1 00:00:00,720 --> 00:00:01,080 Speaker 1: Goo night. 2 00:00:01,120 --> 00:00:03,360 Speaker 2: Michael Brown joins me here, the former FEMA director of 3 00:00:03,360 --> 00:00:04,560 Speaker 2: talk show host Michael Brown. 4 00:00:04,640 --> 00:00:07,080 Speaker 1: Brownie, no, Brownie, You're doing a heck of a job. 5 00:00:07,240 --> 00:00:11,280 Speaker 1: The Weekend with Michael Brown broadcasting Life from Denver, Colorado. 6 00:00:11,320 --> 00:00:13,360 Speaker 1: It's the Weekend with Michael Brown. Glad you have you 7 00:00:13,440 --> 00:00:15,400 Speaker 1: joining the program today. You know, we get rules of 8 00:00:15,400 --> 00:00:17,680 Speaker 1: engagement on this program. If you want to send me 9 00:00:17,720 --> 00:00:20,320 Speaker 1: a message, tell me anything, ask me anything, the text 10 00:00:20,360 --> 00:00:23,439 Speaker 1: line number is always open, regardless of when you're listening 11 00:00:23,840 --> 00:00:26,440 Speaker 1: that message. That number on your message app is three 12 00:00:26,520 --> 00:00:29,400 Speaker 1: three one zero three three three one zero three. Keyword 13 00:00:29,440 --> 00:00:31,840 Speaker 1: Mica or Michael. Tell me anything, ask me thing, and 14 00:00:31,880 --> 00:00:35,000 Speaker 1: then go follow me on social media whether it's ex 15 00:00:35,080 --> 00:00:38,320 Speaker 1: formerly Twitter, or Facebook or Instagram. They're all at Michael D. Brown, 16 00:00:38,360 --> 00:00:39,280 Speaker 1: at Michael D. Brown. 17 00:00:41,640 --> 00:00:41,880 Speaker 2: There. 18 00:00:43,520 --> 00:00:45,800 Speaker 1: Let's talk about the Save Act for a moment, But 19 00:00:45,840 --> 00:00:47,560 Speaker 1: then I want to get you to the minutia of 20 00:00:47,920 --> 00:00:51,640 Speaker 1: what why Why are we not passing it? Why is 21 00:00:51,640 --> 00:00:54,000 Speaker 1: it not even a news story? Why why are we 22 00:00:54,080 --> 00:00:57,040 Speaker 1: having this battle over something as simple as and think 23 00:00:57,080 --> 00:01:00,400 Speaker 1: about what the Save Act does in it's most simple terms, 24 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:04,520 Speaker 1: It requires you to prove that you're a US citizen 25 00:01:05,560 --> 00:01:10,480 Speaker 1: in order to vote in a US election. What could 26 00:01:10,480 --> 00:01:14,160 Speaker 1: be simpler than that? Now, I know that means that 27 00:01:14,200 --> 00:01:18,279 Speaker 1: you have to prove that you're a citizen. Well, you 28 00:01:18,360 --> 00:01:20,520 Speaker 1: can get a birth certificate, you can get a passport, 29 00:01:20,600 --> 00:01:23,319 Speaker 1: you can go get an ID, you can any number 30 00:01:23,319 --> 00:01:26,600 Speaker 1: of ways. There are even ways to use old bibles. 31 00:01:27,600 --> 00:01:29,480 Speaker 1: You know, if you're one hundred and ten years old 32 00:01:29,520 --> 00:01:31,640 Speaker 1: and there wasn't a birth certificate when you were born, 33 00:01:31,800 --> 00:01:34,080 Speaker 1: there are ways to use family bibles to show that. 34 00:01:34,120 --> 00:01:37,160 Speaker 1: Oh look, my great grandmother entered this name in when 35 00:01:37,160 --> 00:01:38,760 Speaker 1: I was born on such and such a day in 36 00:01:38,840 --> 00:01:43,920 Speaker 1: nineteen twelve. You can actually prove your citizenship that way, 37 00:01:44,160 --> 00:01:49,240 Speaker 1: and that will be accepted in some states. Oh my gosh. Oh, 38 00:01:49,280 --> 00:01:55,040 Speaker 1: and it's painful because you can't find your birth certificate, 39 00:01:55,720 --> 00:01:59,640 Speaker 1: so you can't get online. You can't even call up 40 00:01:59,720 --> 00:02:01,760 Speaker 1: or sent or put a stamp on an envelope and 41 00:02:01,840 --> 00:02:04,360 Speaker 1: mail and request and put in your two dollars or 42 00:02:04,400 --> 00:02:06,800 Speaker 1: ten dollars or twenty dollars whatever it costs to get 43 00:02:06,800 --> 00:02:11,000 Speaker 1: a birth certificate. You can't even do that. I think 44 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:15,880 Speaker 1: it was Mazi Hirano, senator from Hawaii. Anyways, it was 45 00:02:15,919 --> 00:02:19,480 Speaker 1: one of those idiots. They said something about, oh, you know, 46 00:02:19,560 --> 00:02:22,560 Speaker 1: they want to make voting as hard as it is 47 00:02:22,600 --> 00:02:26,239 Speaker 1: to go, you know, buy an AR fifteen, and someone 48 00:02:26,280 --> 00:02:28,840 Speaker 1: online I think it was Stephen Miller, not to Stephen 49 00:02:28,840 --> 00:02:30,839 Speaker 1: Miller in the White House, but another read it goes 50 00:02:30,880 --> 00:02:33,520 Speaker 1: by Red Steve had said something like, I would like 51 00:02:33,560 --> 00:02:36,400 Speaker 1: for it to be the same to vote as it 52 00:02:36,480 --> 00:02:40,200 Speaker 1: is to get an AR fifteen. You know, you've got 53 00:02:40,240 --> 00:02:43,120 Speaker 1: to prove your residency. You've got to prove that you 54 00:02:43,400 --> 00:02:45,320 Speaker 1: that you're not a felon. You've got to prove all 55 00:02:45,360 --> 00:02:47,240 Speaker 1: these things. You have to show your ID, pass a 56 00:02:47,280 --> 00:02:50,240 Speaker 1: background check, blah blah. I might even agree with that, 57 00:02:51,280 --> 00:02:57,519 Speaker 1: but to think that at its simplest level, the idea 58 00:02:57,880 --> 00:03:01,480 Speaker 1: is that if you want to vote in a United 59 00:03:01,639 --> 00:03:05,440 Speaker 1: States election, you must prove that you are a United 60 00:03:05,680 --> 00:03:09,000 Speaker 1: States citizen. And considering that we spent the past four 61 00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:12,280 Speaker 1: years or actually four years ago, not four years ago, 62 00:03:12,320 --> 00:03:15,400 Speaker 1: but a year ago. For four years, we allowed the 63 00:03:15,400 --> 00:03:18,799 Speaker 1: Biden administration to open the open the borders, and let, 64 00:03:18,880 --> 00:03:21,840 Speaker 1: I don't know, take take a guess, ten fifteen twenty 65 00:03:21,880 --> 00:03:26,040 Speaker 1: twenty five million non citizens into this country who immediately 66 00:03:26,080 --> 00:03:32,760 Speaker 1: went on to federal government social welfare programs and started 67 00:03:32,760 --> 00:03:38,040 Speaker 1: getting driver's licenses from certain states. And now we're wondering 68 00:03:38,200 --> 00:03:42,280 Speaker 1: why Congress simply can't pass a bill. And actually Congress 69 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:45,320 Speaker 1: did pass the Save Act. It's hold up in the Senate. 70 00:03:46,160 --> 00:03:49,760 Speaker 1: And that's where I want to start. Someone sent me 71 00:03:49,800 --> 00:03:51,840 Speaker 1: an article that was over at Hot Air written by 72 00:03:52,600 --> 00:03:54,440 Speaker 1: I don't know this individual. I don't mean, I'm not 73 00:03:54,480 --> 00:03:58,040 Speaker 1: picking on them, but the article is, can we talk 74 00:03:58,080 --> 00:04:01,280 Speaker 1: about the so called talking filibus and why it will 75 00:04:01,320 --> 00:04:07,280 Speaker 1: not save the Save Act? And mister Patterson writes as follows, 76 00:04:07,360 --> 00:04:09,200 Speaker 1: let me gain by putting all my cards face up 77 00:04:09,200 --> 00:04:11,840 Speaker 1: on the table, and he says, nobody wishes to Save Act. 78 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:16,120 Speaker 1: Requiring proof of citizenship to register to vote and photo 79 00:04:16,240 --> 00:04:18,760 Speaker 1: ID in order to cast a ballot to become law 80 00:04:18,800 --> 00:04:21,360 Speaker 1: more than I do currently. He writes, in my home 81 00:04:21,360 --> 00:04:24,680 Speaker 1: state of California, it's actually illegal here to both ask 82 00:04:24,760 --> 00:04:28,680 Speaker 1: for ID at polling places and to show ID. Elections 83 00:04:28,680 --> 00:04:32,040 Speaker 1: are held open for weeks until enough straight mail m ballots, 84 00:04:32,279 --> 00:04:35,000 Speaker 1: which for some reason break for Democrats every single time, 85 00:04:35,360 --> 00:04:38,080 Speaker 1: flow in to swing a total at that point, to 86 00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:41,680 Speaker 1: swing a total that at one point showed promise of 87 00:04:41,760 --> 00:04:45,880 Speaker 1: sanity in the Golden State. The argument he writes, against 88 00:04:45,920 --> 00:04:48,480 Speaker 1: the Save Act is one of the more absurd cases 89 00:04:48,520 --> 00:04:51,120 Speaker 1: to make, and it is not resonated at all with 90 00:04:51,200 --> 00:04:54,719 Speaker 1: the American people, regardless of political party, he writes, So 91 00:04:54,839 --> 00:04:58,600 Speaker 1: he's absolutely right so far. CNN's Harry Inton poll it 92 00:04:58,680 --> 00:05:01,719 Speaker 1: again and found that it's still very much a popular 93 00:05:01,800 --> 00:05:05,320 Speaker 1: idea across the entire electorate. 94 00:05:05,800 --> 00:05:08,120 Speaker 2: Hey, what's the racial breakdown on this, right? Because I 95 00:05:08,120 --> 00:05:10,640 Speaker 2: think a lot of people make the argument that people 96 00:05:10,640 --> 00:05:13,400 Speaker 2: of color, non white Americans have a harder time procuring 97 00:05:13,640 --> 00:05:15,680 Speaker 2: a photo ID to vote. But even here, take a 98 00:05:15,680 --> 00:05:18,320 Speaker 2: look here, favorite photo ID to vote. Eighty five percent 99 00:05:18,360 --> 00:05:21,560 Speaker 2: of white people favorite, eighty two percent of Latino, seventy 100 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:24,719 Speaker 2: six percent of Black Americans favorite. So the bottom line 101 00:05:24,760 --> 00:05:28,719 Speaker 2: is this voter ID is not controversial in this country. 102 00:05:28,880 --> 00:05:31,679 Speaker 2: A photo ID to vote is not controversial in this country. 103 00:05:31,800 --> 00:05:34,159 Speaker 2: It is not controversial by party, and it is not 104 00:05:34,279 --> 00:05:37,599 Speaker 2: controversial by race. The vast majority of Americans agree with 105 00:05:37,680 --> 00:05:40,240 Speaker 2: Nicki Minaj that, in fact, you should have a photo 106 00:05:40,279 --> 00:05:41,880 Speaker 2: ID to be able to vote. 107 00:05:42,040 --> 00:05:47,440 Speaker 1: Bingo, that's it. That's the bottom line. So the question 108 00:05:47,640 --> 00:05:50,960 Speaker 1: then becomes, and I want you for a moment to 109 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:55,279 Speaker 1: set aside all of the procedural arguments about a talking filibuster, 110 00:05:55,800 --> 00:06:00,480 Speaker 1: a stand up filibuster, a blue slip filibuster, any kind philibus. 111 00:06:00,680 --> 00:06:02,960 Speaker 1: I want you to set all aside for just a moment, 112 00:06:03,279 --> 00:06:07,799 Speaker 1: all of the Senate procedural rules and arguments about why 113 00:06:07,839 --> 00:06:10,480 Speaker 1: they can or cannot do it, and why John Thune 114 00:06:10,480 --> 00:06:12,039 Speaker 1: will or will not bring it to the floor of 115 00:06:12,040 --> 00:06:14,239 Speaker 1: the of the Senate. Just forget all of that crap 116 00:06:14,279 --> 00:06:19,680 Speaker 1: for a moment instead, just think why is it among 117 00:06:19,720 --> 00:06:24,200 Speaker 1: both Democrats and Republicans that the Senate can't pass what 118 00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:27,400 Speaker 1: the House passed? Now, if you're old enough to remember, 119 00:06:27,760 --> 00:06:31,280 Speaker 1: you know whatever it was. You know the Rock something 120 00:06:31,320 --> 00:06:34,920 Speaker 1: about how a bill becomes a bill. You know that 121 00:06:34,960 --> 00:06:38,200 Speaker 1: the House passes school House Rock. That's exactly right, school 122 00:06:38,200 --> 00:06:42,239 Speaker 1: House Rock, if you remember school House Rock. The House 123 00:06:42,279 --> 00:06:45,080 Speaker 1: passes a bill, and then it goes to the Senate. 124 00:06:46,200 --> 00:06:49,880 Speaker 1: The Senate can pass the same bill, or they can 125 00:06:49,960 --> 00:06:53,040 Speaker 1: tweak it by amendment. And if they tweak it by amendment, 126 00:06:53,080 --> 00:06:55,040 Speaker 1: but it's still essentially the same bill, but there are 127 00:06:55,040 --> 00:06:57,640 Speaker 1: amendments to it, then it goes to a conference committee 128 00:06:57,680 --> 00:06:59,760 Speaker 1: and the House and the Senate work out their differences, 129 00:07:00,040 --> 00:07:02,560 Speaker 1: and then both houses vote on this new conference what's 130 00:07:02,600 --> 00:07:06,320 Speaker 1: called a conference report, which is the amended bill, and 131 00:07:06,360 --> 00:07:09,080 Speaker 1: then they go back and they all vote again and 132 00:07:09,120 --> 00:07:12,560 Speaker 1: hopefully they all pass it. We're not even going through that. 133 00:07:14,160 --> 00:07:17,120 Speaker 1: We just have a simple bill passed by the United 134 00:07:17,120 --> 00:07:22,720 Speaker 1: States House or Representatives sent to the Senate, where Republicans 135 00:07:22,760 --> 00:07:26,440 Speaker 1: have a majority, and where eighty five percent of white, 136 00:07:26,440 --> 00:07:29,200 Speaker 1: eighty two percent of Latinos, seventy six percent of blacks, 137 00:07:29,440 --> 00:07:32,200 Speaker 1: and the same numbers are essentially true for if you 138 00:07:32,240 --> 00:07:34,760 Speaker 1: want to divide us up between Democrat and Republicans or 139 00:07:34,800 --> 00:07:39,720 Speaker 1: liberal and conservative, it's still the same. Yet it won't pass. 140 00:07:41,040 --> 00:07:46,840 Speaker 1: Why why something as simple as this can't get through 141 00:07:47,320 --> 00:07:53,240 Speaker 1: the United States Senate. Now from here, we could go 142 00:07:53,320 --> 00:07:57,160 Speaker 1: down any number of rabbit holes about well, you know, 143 00:07:57,760 --> 00:08:00,160 Speaker 1: if you want to use the term rhino, which that 144 00:08:00,240 --> 00:08:02,880 Speaker 1: term just drives me nuts for some reason. But if 145 00:08:02,880 --> 00:08:04,920 Speaker 1: you want to say that you know a John Cornyan 146 00:08:05,000 --> 00:08:07,920 Speaker 1: or a John Thune, or a Brasso from Wyoming, or 147 00:08:07,960 --> 00:08:11,400 Speaker 1: any of the senators that stand or j Langford from 148 00:08:11,520 --> 00:08:15,240 Speaker 1: Oklahoma that are sitting back there always. You know, anytime 149 00:08:15,280 --> 00:08:18,120 Speaker 1: you see John Thune come to the microphone, he's got 150 00:08:18,120 --> 00:08:21,600 Speaker 1: allways lack. He's standing around him, standing behind him. I 151 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:23,440 Speaker 1: guess they all need to support him and show hey, 152 00:08:23,440 --> 00:08:27,360 Speaker 1: look we're behind the guy. Yeah. Really, once you leame 153 00:08:27,480 --> 00:08:32,520 Speaker 1: stand on his own. The one thing blocking this from 154 00:08:32,600 --> 00:08:36,920 Speaker 1: coming to the Senate is the unwillingness of John thun 155 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:39,679 Speaker 1: to bring it to a vote. Now, he's come out 156 00:08:39,720 --> 00:08:42,720 Speaker 1: this week and he has said, so is John Cornyn, 157 00:08:42,720 --> 00:08:45,520 Speaker 1: who's been one of the people that has been on 158 00:08:45,559 --> 00:08:48,160 Speaker 1: the fence about it, and they have both said, we're 159 00:08:48,200 --> 00:08:49,600 Speaker 1: going to bring it to a vote, but the votes 160 00:08:49,640 --> 00:08:52,440 Speaker 1: aren't there and it's going to fail. Really, so we 161 00:08:52,520 --> 00:08:55,200 Speaker 1: have we have a issue that is not even an 162 00:08:55,240 --> 00:08:58,960 Speaker 1: eighty twenty issue. This is like a ninety ten issue 163 00:08:59,240 --> 00:09:02,280 Speaker 1: if the American people want And then you've got Chuck 164 00:09:02,320 --> 00:09:05,520 Speaker 1: Schumer out there can continuing to claim that somehow this 165 00:09:05,600 --> 00:09:09,440 Speaker 1: is Jim Crow two point oh. Who's he playing to? 166 00:09:10,240 --> 00:09:13,200 Speaker 1: Is he playing to seventy six percent of blacks that 167 00:09:13,240 --> 00:09:17,160 Speaker 1: want this? And he's trying to tell that's seventy six percent? No, no, no, 168 00:09:17,280 --> 00:09:19,120 Speaker 1: you're wrong, You're an idiot. This is Jim Crow two 169 00:09:19,160 --> 00:09:22,040 Speaker 1: point oh or to the eighty five percent of white 170 00:09:22,040 --> 00:09:24,560 Speaker 1: So the eighty two percent of Latin of Latinos they're 171 00:09:24,600 --> 00:09:28,040 Speaker 1: all crazy. No, actually what they are. They're totally sane, 172 00:09:29,120 --> 00:09:32,880 Speaker 1: and they're totally insulated, and they totally believe that they 173 00:09:32,880 --> 00:09:36,320 Speaker 1: can just stand their ground and nothing will ever happen. 174 00:09:37,520 --> 00:09:39,440 Speaker 1: And now John Thune says, well, I'm going to bring 175 00:09:39,480 --> 00:09:41,760 Speaker 1: it to the floor and you know there. I don't 176 00:09:41,760 --> 00:09:43,720 Speaker 1: think the votes are there anyway, but I'll let everybody 177 00:09:43,880 --> 00:09:45,280 Speaker 1: you know, if you want to talking, if you want 178 00:09:45,280 --> 00:09:47,760 Speaker 1: to talking Philly blah blah blah, I'll do whatever. But 179 00:09:47,800 --> 00:09:50,520 Speaker 1: it's not going to pass. It's not going to pass. 180 00:09:51,720 --> 00:10:03,640 Speaker 1: Ask yourself why. I'll be right back. Welcome back to 181 00:10:03,640 --> 00:10:05,440 Speaker 1: the Weekend with Michael Brown. Glad to have you with me. 182 00:10:05,480 --> 00:10:07,920 Speaker 1: Appreciate you tuning in. Give me a favor, and be 183 00:10:07,960 --> 00:10:10,800 Speaker 1: sure and subscribe to the podcast on your podcast app, 184 00:10:11,080 --> 00:10:14,600 Speaker 1: search for the Situation with Michael Brown, This Situation with 185 00:10:14,640 --> 00:10:18,400 Speaker 1: Michael Brown. 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I'm gonna 193 00:10:37,760 --> 00:10:40,280 Speaker 1: tear it apart in a minute, not not completely, but 194 00:10:40,360 --> 00:10:42,800 Speaker 1: parts of it, because I think we're missing the big 195 00:10:42,840 --> 00:10:45,920 Speaker 1: picture here, which is why I started out with I 196 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:49,840 Speaker 1: want you, I want your baseline thinking to be why 197 00:10:50,040 --> 00:10:53,920 Speaker 1: is it that something is simple as requiring an ID 198 00:10:54,440 --> 00:10:58,680 Speaker 1: to register to vote, to prove your US citizen to 199 00:10:58,760 --> 00:11:02,120 Speaker 1: register to vote, and then a picture ID to cast 200 00:11:02,160 --> 00:11:05,040 Speaker 1: a ballot, so proving you're a US citizen to vote 201 00:11:05,080 --> 00:11:07,280 Speaker 1: in the United States elections? Why is that such a 202 00:11:07,280 --> 00:11:09,880 Speaker 1: big deal? Now we know that there are all the 203 00:11:09,920 --> 00:11:14,400 Speaker 1: peripheral reasons out there, because Democrats want illegal aliens to vote, 204 00:11:14,720 --> 00:11:17,880 Speaker 1: because they want to be able to harvest ballots as 205 00:11:17,960 --> 00:11:19,960 Speaker 1: much as they can. They want to cheat as much 206 00:11:19,960 --> 00:11:22,920 Speaker 1: as they can wherever they can. And then the counter 207 00:11:22,960 --> 00:11:25,439 Speaker 1: to that is whether there's off that much cheating. Oh 208 00:11:25,559 --> 00:11:28,160 Speaker 1: so you admit there's some cheating, you just claim that 209 00:11:28,200 --> 00:11:31,640 Speaker 1: it's not enough to overcome an election. Well I find 210 00:11:31,640 --> 00:11:34,640 Speaker 1: that kind of weird, because if you care about integrity 211 00:11:34,679 --> 00:11:37,480 Speaker 1: in the elections at all, you want to minimize cheating 212 00:11:37,520 --> 00:11:41,040 Speaker 1: to as close to zero as you can possibly get. 213 00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:45,760 Speaker 1: Because every non citizen that votes in an election, whether 214 00:11:45,800 --> 00:11:50,479 Speaker 1: that's one or a million, that reflects on the integrity 215 00:11:50,520 --> 00:11:54,800 Speaker 1: of our election and causes doubt, which then that doubt 216 00:11:54,880 --> 00:11:58,480 Speaker 1: gets amplified by people like me, by people on the 217 00:11:58,559 --> 00:12:02,760 Speaker 1: left and on the right, radio, television, newspaper, websites, everything else, 218 00:12:03,000 --> 00:12:06,319 Speaker 1: to where people then start doubting and questioning whether or 219 00:12:06,320 --> 00:12:09,880 Speaker 1: not our elections are real or not real. And you 220 00:12:09,920 --> 00:12:12,920 Speaker 1: would think that someone who takes an oath to uphold 221 00:12:12,920 --> 00:12:15,520 Speaker 1: the Constitution, goes through all the trouble to get elected 222 00:12:15,520 --> 00:12:18,640 Speaker 1: to the United States Senate or to the House of Representatives, 223 00:12:18,760 --> 00:12:24,400 Speaker 1: would actually want the elections to be oh honest, open, 224 00:12:24,640 --> 00:12:28,719 Speaker 1: free and fair. So back to the article in the 225 00:12:28,720 --> 00:12:35,640 Speaker 1: hot air, because the argument is that we want a filibuster. 226 00:12:36,559 --> 00:12:40,560 Speaker 1: We want to put the Democrats on notice. We want 227 00:12:40,679 --> 00:12:43,840 Speaker 1: them to have to go through everything and make the 228 00:12:44,080 --> 00:12:48,240 Speaker 1: argument about how they about why they are opposed to 229 00:12:48,360 --> 00:12:53,880 Speaker 1: something that even their own constituents by overwhelming numbers support. 230 00:12:55,320 --> 00:13:01,040 Speaker 1: So he cranks out and this author does the amount 231 00:13:01,080 --> 00:13:05,720 Speaker 1: of time that it could potentially take if we went 232 00:13:05,760 --> 00:13:08,880 Speaker 1: through a talking filibuster. So I want to walk through 233 00:13:08,880 --> 00:13:12,640 Speaker 1: what he says because then we'll I'll give you the 234 00:13:12,679 --> 00:13:16,559 Speaker 1: counter to it, he says. Under Rule nineteen, which I've 235 00:13:16,559 --> 00:13:20,080 Speaker 1: talked about during my weekday program, that's the rules of 236 00:13:20,120 --> 00:13:23,640 Speaker 1: standard debate. Each senator can speak on a bill for 237 00:13:23,679 --> 00:13:25,720 Speaker 1: as long as they wish, and they can do so 238 00:13:25,800 --> 00:13:28,920 Speaker 1: on two separate occasions. And then once every senator has 239 00:13:28,960 --> 00:13:32,600 Speaker 1: stated there whatever they want to say, however long it takes, 240 00:13:33,080 --> 00:13:35,400 Speaker 1: provided the Senate never adjourns in the course of the 241 00:13:35,440 --> 00:13:37,920 Speaker 1: bill being opened for the debate on the floor, a 242 00:13:37,960 --> 00:13:40,640 Speaker 1: senator from the majority party can then make a motion 243 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:45,320 Speaker 1: to move to final passage that only requires a simple majority, 244 00:13:45,760 --> 00:13:48,360 Speaker 1: and then final culture to end debate under Rule twenty 245 00:13:48,440 --> 00:13:51,880 Speaker 1: two is bypassed so long as Republicans are patient enough 246 00:13:51,880 --> 00:13:55,320 Speaker 1: to wait until Democrats can't talk any longer, and the 247 00:13:55,320 --> 00:13:58,880 Speaker 1: bill gets passed. Except and he goes through why this heath, 248 00:13:58,960 --> 00:14:02,400 Speaker 1: why he thinks this won't There are amendments that can 249 00:14:02,440 --> 00:14:05,360 Speaker 1: be offered, he says, for the underlying legislation, and there 250 00:14:05,400 --> 00:14:07,640 Speaker 1: are no limits on how many amendments may be offered, 251 00:14:07,880 --> 00:14:10,320 Speaker 1: and each amendment is subject to its own floor time 252 00:14:10,400 --> 00:14:14,000 Speaker 1: for debate under Rule nineteen, with each member having another 253 00:14:14,080 --> 00:14:17,440 Speaker 1: two bites at the speechifying apple to try to slow 254 00:14:17,480 --> 00:14:21,880 Speaker 1: things down, And he goes through how every Senator could 255 00:14:21,880 --> 00:14:23,920 Speaker 1: do all these things and talk and talk and talk 256 00:14:23,920 --> 00:14:27,880 Speaker 1: and talk. So, for example, he says, forty six senators, 257 00:14:28,400 --> 00:14:32,000 Speaker 1: the number of Democrats times four hours each equals one 258 00:14:32,040 --> 00:14:35,440 Speaker 1: hundred and eighty four hours. Now double that because Rule 259 00:14:35,840 --> 00:14:39,040 Speaker 1: nineteen says they can speak twice on any question on 260 00:14:39,080 --> 00:14:41,200 Speaker 1: the floor. So now you're at three hundred and sixty 261 00:14:41,240 --> 00:14:45,240 Speaker 1: eight hours. He's excluded by the way, he's excluding John 262 00:14:45,280 --> 00:14:47,920 Speaker 1: Fetterman because he doesn't think that John Fetterman, even though 263 00:14:47,920 --> 00:14:49,960 Speaker 1: he's against the Save Act, which I don't understand why 264 00:14:51,040 --> 00:14:55,000 Speaker 1: nonetheless won't participate in this clown show, he says, and 265 00:14:55,040 --> 00:14:57,600 Speaker 1: that's just on the question of bringing the Save Act 266 00:14:57,600 --> 00:15:01,000 Speaker 1: to the floor to begin debate. So that's two weeks, 267 00:15:01,040 --> 00:15:03,760 Speaker 1: one day and eight hours on the Senate floor, assuming 268 00:15:03,800 --> 00:15:05,680 Speaker 1: the Chamber is in session twenty four hours a day, 269 00:15:05,720 --> 00:15:08,080 Speaker 1: seven days a week. And of course that doesn't include 270 00:15:08,120 --> 00:15:10,840 Speaker 1: the quorum calls, which will add up several hours, or 271 00:15:10,880 --> 00:15:13,600 Speaker 1: any Republican speaking which will be even several more hours. 272 00:15:13,800 --> 00:15:15,160 Speaker 1: You know, to all of that, I say, so, what 273 00:15:16,520 --> 00:15:20,720 Speaker 1: isn't that their job? My job is to show up 274 00:15:21,440 --> 00:15:24,640 Speaker 1: on Monday through Friday and be ready to talk for 275 00:15:24,720 --> 00:15:27,840 Speaker 1: three hours from nine to twelve Monday through Friday Mountain time, 276 00:15:28,440 --> 00:15:30,720 Speaker 1: and then on Saturday to walk into this studio and 277 00:15:30,800 --> 00:15:35,640 Speaker 1: speak for another three hours. That's my job. Their job 278 00:15:35,880 --> 00:15:38,600 Speaker 1: is to go to the United States Congress, the House 279 00:15:38,640 --> 00:15:41,480 Speaker 1: of the Senate, and to represent us and no matter 280 00:15:41,640 --> 00:15:43,360 Speaker 1: and there is no time limit. At least I have 281 00:15:43,400 --> 00:15:47,000 Speaker 1: a clock. But let's take my clock. If I walk 282 00:15:47,000 --> 00:15:49,080 Speaker 1: in this morning and just say, well, I know it's 283 00:15:49,120 --> 00:15:51,080 Speaker 1: three hours, but you know what, Michael, you know what 284 00:15:51,120 --> 00:15:54,800 Speaker 1: Los Angeles, my folks in La Premier Networks. But if 285 00:15:54,840 --> 00:15:57,040 Speaker 1: I just say to them, you know it's three hours. 286 00:15:57,040 --> 00:15:59,480 Speaker 1: But today I only feel like talking like an hour today, 287 00:15:59,520 --> 00:16:01,680 Speaker 1: So you know I'm gonna talk to an hour. Do 288 00:16:01,720 --> 00:16:03,000 Speaker 1: you guys figure out what to do for the rest 289 00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:07,600 Speaker 1: of the time, I mean, violation my contract, I'd be 290 00:16:07,640 --> 00:16:11,680 Speaker 1: out of here. I'd be done. Same with these yahoos 291 00:16:11,680 --> 00:16:16,800 Speaker 1: that go to Congress, except they don't have a predetermined 292 00:16:16,800 --> 00:16:22,080 Speaker 1: amount of time. Their job is whatever it takes. That's 293 00:16:22,080 --> 00:16:24,400 Speaker 1: what they wanted us to vote for. That's why they 294 00:16:24,440 --> 00:16:26,760 Speaker 1: wanted us to vote for them. And their promise to 295 00:16:26,840 --> 00:16:29,200 Speaker 1: us was We'll do whatever it takes to implement you know, 296 00:16:29,240 --> 00:16:31,880 Speaker 1: whatever it is that represents, you know, your way of thinking. 297 00:16:33,680 --> 00:16:36,240 Speaker 1: They're not even willing to do that. Back to the 298 00:16:36,360 --> 00:16:39,800 Speaker 1: article anyway, let me get to the to the crux 299 00:16:39,920 --> 00:16:47,720 Speaker 1: of what he makes in this article. He says, now 300 00:16:47,720 --> 00:16:50,960 Speaker 1: that you've cleared these different hurdles three weeks into the 301 00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:54,400 Speaker 1: bill making it to the floor, Let's assume that each 302 00:16:54,440 --> 00:16:58,240 Speaker 1: senator offers two amendments each. Some will have a bunch 303 00:16:58,320 --> 00:17:01,400 Speaker 1: ready to go, just like a Petz disicipanse. Forty six 304 00:17:01,440 --> 00:17:04,639 Speaker 1: senators time two amendments each. That's ninety two amendments. Then 305 00:17:04,680 --> 00:17:07,400 Speaker 1: each amendment gets its own question, meaning no time limits 306 00:17:07,440 --> 00:17:10,679 Speaker 1: on speeches. Each senator gets another two bites at the apple. 307 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:14,439 Speaker 1: Ninety two amendments, forty six senators speaking an average of 308 00:17:14,440 --> 00:17:17,919 Speaker 1: four hours on two separate occasions on each amendment introduced 309 00:17:18,119 --> 00:17:22,359 Speaker 1: again without computing quorum calls, stalling tactics, and any Republicans 310 00:17:22,400 --> 00:17:26,080 Speaker 1: taking the floor comes out to carries the the one 311 00:17:26,359 --> 00:17:29,760 Speaker 1: to thirty three eighth and fifty six hours. By the 312 00:17:29,800 --> 00:17:33,879 Speaker 1: time Democrats would theoretically be finished with the amendment process alone, 313 00:17:34,160 --> 00:17:37,159 Speaker 1: three years, forty five weeks, and sixteen hours would have 314 00:17:37,160 --> 00:17:41,840 Speaker 1: passed now he doesn't mean if that's confusing for you, 315 00:17:41,840 --> 00:17:45,520 Speaker 1: you know, that's just the way the rules work. Except 316 00:17:45,560 --> 00:17:49,239 Speaker 1: I don't think he's entirely correct, and he's missing the 317 00:17:49,400 --> 00:17:53,880 Speaker 1: entire political point. That's just the procedural point. So let's 318 00:17:53,920 --> 00:17:57,080 Speaker 1: break down where he's wrong on the procedural point, and 319 00:17:57,080 --> 00:17:59,840 Speaker 1: then let's think about the political aspect of it, because 320 00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:02,399 Speaker 1: do you know what, I'm really sick of these senators 321 00:18:02,600 --> 00:18:12,639 Speaker 1: hiding behind the rules. I'll be right back to night. 322 00:18:12,680 --> 00:18:15,120 Speaker 2: Michael Brown joins me here, the former FEMA director talk 323 00:18:15,119 --> 00:18:16,159 Speaker 2: show host Michael Brown. 324 00:18:16,240 --> 00:18:18,640 Speaker 1: Brownie, no, Brownie, You're doing a heck of a job 325 00:18:18,800 --> 00:18:21,840 Speaker 1: the Weekend with Michael Brown. Hey, welcome back to the 326 00:18:21,880 --> 00:18:23,520 Speaker 1: Weekend with Michael Brown. Glad to have you with me. 327 00:18:23,520 --> 00:18:27,040 Speaker 1: I appreciate you tuning in. 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Once you find that on 335 00:18:49,840 --> 00:18:53,000 Speaker 1: your iHeart app or however you're doing on your computer 336 00:18:53,080 --> 00:18:56,000 Speaker 1: or wherever it set that as a preset, and then 337 00:18:56,040 --> 00:18:58,720 Speaker 1: you can listen to me nine to noon mountain time 338 00:18:59,400 --> 00:19:04,160 Speaker 1: on KO ninety four one FM from nine to noon 339 00:19:04,640 --> 00:19:07,480 Speaker 1: mountain time. So go do that for me too. You 340 00:19:07,520 --> 00:19:09,879 Speaker 1: can stream me during the week. So let's go back 341 00:19:09,920 --> 00:19:13,080 Speaker 1: to this article. So the article is basically saying this 342 00:19:13,160 --> 00:19:16,320 Speaker 1: according to the math, which we will talk about in 343 00:19:16,359 --> 00:19:19,320 Speaker 1: a second. His claim is that, according to the math, 344 00:19:19,640 --> 00:19:23,480 Speaker 1: it will take you know, three thousand hours it'll take 345 00:19:23,560 --> 00:19:31,359 Speaker 1: you know, which is a long time. And therefore, because 346 00:19:31,359 --> 00:19:36,000 Speaker 1: it will take so long, going through the filibuster process, 347 00:19:36,600 --> 00:19:40,800 Speaker 1: is not going to pass the Save Act. So I 348 00:19:40,840 --> 00:19:42,880 Speaker 1: want to break down two things. I want to break 349 00:19:42,880 --> 00:19:44,720 Speaker 1: down where I think he is right and where he 350 00:19:44,800 --> 00:19:48,520 Speaker 1: is wrong, and third what he misses. So where is 351 00:19:48,560 --> 00:19:52,600 Speaker 1: he correct in this article? Let's talk about the math problem, 352 00:19:52,600 --> 00:19:55,679 Speaker 1: because the math problem is a real problem. A talking 353 00:19:55,720 --> 00:20:00,320 Speaker 1: filibuster under the current rules would require fifty one Republiclican 354 00:20:00,359 --> 00:20:05,440 Speaker 1: senators present at virtually all times. Now, the Democrats all 355 00:20:05,480 --> 00:20:08,160 Speaker 1: they need is just one member to hold the floor 356 00:20:08,640 --> 00:20:15,719 Speaker 1: so they could rotate freely among themselves. That a symmetry 357 00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:20,119 Speaker 1: is genuinely brutal, and it's the most honest part of 358 00:20:20,200 --> 00:20:23,840 Speaker 1: his article. The majority would have to babysit the chamber, 359 00:20:23,880 --> 00:20:29,560 Speaker 1: the Senate Chamber constantly. The minority would be able to 360 00:20:29,640 --> 00:20:32,920 Speaker 1: just send one person in and the others could go 361 00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:34,960 Speaker 1: out and take a nap or have dinner or do 362 00:20:35,040 --> 00:20:38,320 Speaker 1: whatever they wanted to do, but the Republicans would have 363 00:20:38,400 --> 00:20:42,960 Speaker 1: to be there virtually all the time. Now, number two, 364 00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:46,240 Speaker 1: the amendment problem that he pointed out that I described 365 00:20:46,280 --> 00:20:50,439 Speaker 1: to you is a legitimate problem. His reual nineteen analysis 366 00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:55,080 Speaker 1: that each amendment triggers its own unlimited debate, with each 367 00:20:55,119 --> 00:21:01,600 Speaker 1: senator entitled to speak twice is accurate procedurally, The structural 368 00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:07,159 Speaker 1: vulnerability is real. Democrats could daisy chain amendments indefinitely and 369 00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:13,480 Speaker 1: everyone resets the debate clock. John Thune, the Majority leader himself, 370 00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:16,879 Speaker 1: has said the conference isn't unified on that path, and 371 00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:22,880 Speaker 1: so that would require tabling numerous amendments with fifty Republicans 372 00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:26,320 Speaker 1: voting in lockstep every single one. Now that's not a 373 00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:30,400 Speaker 1: hypothetical problem, that's a demonstrated problem. Why well, now we're 374 00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:33,320 Speaker 1: kind of weaving into the political problem, and that is 375 00:21:33,359 --> 00:21:39,640 Speaker 1: because Republicans that I support are not doing their job. 376 00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:44,840 Speaker 1: They're not representing the ninety plus percent of us who 377 00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:48,719 Speaker 1: say this is something that we want, So a pox 378 00:21:48,760 --> 00:21:53,640 Speaker 1: on the Republicans. Three. The third point where he's right 379 00:21:53,760 --> 00:21:55,679 Speaker 1: is the Democrats are not going to yield in this 380 00:21:56,200 --> 00:21:59,679 Speaker 1: But I've got an idea. But let's focus on the 381 00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:03,960 Speaker 1: fact that the Democrat the Democrats won't yield on this bill. Period. 382 00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:07,040 Speaker 1: Now he's the author of that article at hot Air. 383 00:22:07,320 --> 00:22:11,200 Speaker 1: Mister Dwayne Patterson is exactly right that this is isn't 384 00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:14,400 Speaker 1: just a normal bill where political pressure might peel off, 385 00:22:14,560 --> 00:22:18,920 Speaker 1: you know, maybe ten Democrats. The Save Act is existential 386 00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:23,160 Speaker 1: to Democrat electoral strategy. They will fight it with everything 387 00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:27,200 Speaker 1: they have. And no polling showing eighty plus percent public 388 00:22:27,240 --> 00:22:35,119 Speaker 1: support changes that calculus except one thing. If if seventy 389 00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:38,720 Speaker 1: eight eighty percent of blacks, seventy two seventy five, seventy 390 00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:42,800 Speaker 1: eight percent of Hispanics, and eighty somewhatever of whites, and 391 00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:46,240 Speaker 1: then if some seventy percent of Democrats and eighty percent 392 00:22:46,320 --> 00:22:49,160 Speaker 1: of Republicans all support this bill, that means there is 393 00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:51,960 Speaker 1: a super majority of people on both sides of the 394 00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:56,200 Speaker 1: aisle that support the bill. If Democrats have to stand 395 00:22:56,440 --> 00:23:01,800 Speaker 1: up and bull crap their way through their object that's 396 00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:06,359 Speaker 1: going to get carried on national news, on every talk show, 397 00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:10,200 Speaker 1: on every website, on the x feed, on the Facebook feed. 398 00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:14,240 Speaker 1: Everybody's going to hear the bull crap answers and objections 399 00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:17,760 Speaker 1: that Democrats have to this, And for the first time, 400 00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:21,680 Speaker 1: even CNN is going to have to cover, Oh, here 401 00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:26,000 Speaker 1: are the objections that the Democrats are offering. They'll actually 402 00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:28,919 Speaker 1: get to hear the bull crap answers that they have 403 00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:32,119 Speaker 1: for why they object to this. I don't think it 404 00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:36,480 Speaker 1: can convince those eighty ninety percent of the people who 405 00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:40,120 Speaker 1: want this that, oh, I was wrong all along. That's 406 00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:44,800 Speaker 1: the political game that needs to be played. I'm tired 407 00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:49,760 Speaker 1: of pussy footing around this. Number four Thune's vote count 408 00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:53,800 Speaker 1: is correct. Thune said flatly, quote, we don't have the 409 00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:58,080 Speaker 1: votes either to proceed get on a talking filibuster, nor 410 00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:01,199 Speaker 1: to sustain one even if we got on that. But 411 00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:04,760 Speaker 1: that is just a function of math. Now, even after 412 00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:09,160 Speaker 1: John Cornan's reversal, the senior senator from Texas that didn't 413 00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:13,639 Speaker 1: open the floodgates, Senator Tom Tillis, who is leaving his post, 414 00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:18,320 Speaker 1: by the way, said nobody had given him a credible 415 00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:23,000 Speaker 1: scenario where Republicans would succeed In the end, Patterson is 416 00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:28,760 Speaker 1: right that the votes aren't there. Well, if they're not there, 417 00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:33,360 Speaker 1: then I want those Republicans see I'm willing to let 418 00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:38,760 Speaker 1: this bill die if it shows us the Republicans who 419 00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:42,719 Speaker 1: are opposed to it quite hiding behind the fact that 420 00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:45,600 Speaker 1: you don't have to stand up and take a vote. 421 00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:48,879 Speaker 1: I want to know who they are. If it's Susan 422 00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:52,240 Speaker 1: Collins of Maine, so be it. If it's Lesa Murkowski 423 00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:55,760 Speaker 1: of Alaska, so be it. If it's Tom Tillis, if 424 00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:59,679 Speaker 1: it's John Cornyon, I don't care. I want them to 425 00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:04,320 Speaker 1: be stripped naked and show who they really are so 426 00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:06,800 Speaker 1: that when we come up to the elections, if they 427 00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:09,479 Speaker 1: need to be primary they can be primaried. If they 428 00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:11,200 Speaker 1: need to be voted out of office, they need to 429 00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:14,560 Speaker 1: be voted out of office. But I am done with 430 00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:18,520 Speaker 1: Republicans that don't represent us in the House, in the Senate. 431 00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:23,440 Speaker 1: I'm done with them. I'm sick of it, and I'm 432 00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:26,959 Speaker 1: sick of them hiding behind television cameras or coming up 433 00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:29,040 Speaker 1: to the cameras and talking about well procedural you can't 434 00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:31,680 Speaker 1: you know what they're doing. They're treating you like you're idiots. 435 00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:34,480 Speaker 1: They're treating you like you don't understand. And I understand 436 00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:38,840 Speaker 1: this is complex. Legislative rules are incredibly complex and hard 437 00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:41,840 Speaker 1: to understand. So I get it if you don't fully 438 00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:44,600 Speaker 1: understand the rules. But I know you understand this. Do 439 00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:46,840 Speaker 1: you understand that they're lying to you and that they're 440 00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:49,560 Speaker 1: hiding behind the rules because they just want to tell 441 00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:53,919 Speaker 1: you we can't pass it? Which gets me to where 442 00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:58,320 Speaker 1: is he wrong? Where is mister Patterson wrong? In his article, 443 00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:04,800 Speaker 1: his math is a straw man dressed up as analysis 444 00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:08,000 Speaker 1: the quote three years after the twenty twenty eight election. 445 00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:12,639 Speaker 1: Calculation that assumes that every Democrat Senator uses their full 446 00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:16,199 Speaker 1: alloted time on every amendment. And I think that is 447 00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:21,280 Speaker 1: just physically impossible for a human being. Senators sleep, they travel, 448 00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:26,080 Speaker 1: they have health emergencies, and strategically insane for Democrats. You 449 00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:29,240 Speaker 1: know why, because twenty four hours, seven day a week 450 00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:33,160 Speaker 1: footage of them reading say Hawaiian crop yields to block 451 00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:36,600 Speaker 1: voter id would be a political gift to the Republicans, 452 00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:40,880 Speaker 1: or them standing up talking about trying to explain Chuck 453 00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:43,280 Speaker 1: Schumer trying to explain why it's Jim Crow. He can 454 00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:45,720 Speaker 1: say it's Jim Crow two point zero, but he has 455 00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:50,679 Speaker 1: he ever been challenged about why put him on the 456 00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:53,600 Speaker 1: floor of the Senate and let him explain why it 457 00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:55,840 Speaker 1: is like Jim Crow two point zho he can't do it. 458 00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:05,600 Speaker 1: So the math is directionally correct as a maximum. The Patterson, 459 00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:11,040 Speaker 1: author of the article, presents the maximum as the likely scenario. 460 00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:15,919 Speaker 1: That's not analysis, that's theater math in service of a 461 00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:21,040 Speaker 1: predetermined conclusion. He makes it seem absurd because he wants 462 00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:24,440 Speaker 1: it to be absurd. And two, I think he under 463 00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:30,879 Speaker 1: sells the tabling option. Why is that Because yes, Republicans 464 00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:34,720 Speaker 1: can table amendments simple by a majority vote, and yes, 465 00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:38,720 Speaker 1: each tabling motion requires a floor vote. But floor votes 466 00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:43,480 Speaker 1: take about fifteen minutes each. So a disciplined Republican conference, 467 00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:47,920 Speaker 1: which I'd like to see with a good whip operation, 468 00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:52,760 Speaker 1: can grind through amendments considerably faster than the author of 469 00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:57,639 Speaker 1: the article implies. The real constraint is the discipline of 470 00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:03,119 Speaker 1: the senators themselves and their not the procedural impossibility that 471 00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:07,120 Speaker 1: he's suggesting. In other words, I want to see them 472 00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:10,320 Speaker 1: do their job. And if they don't have the physical 473 00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:13,240 Speaker 1: stamina to stand up there and do those votes and 474 00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:17,160 Speaker 1: table amendments after amendments after amendments, then you don't deserve 475 00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:20,960 Speaker 1: to be a US Senator because that's your job. For 476 00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:25,520 Speaker 1: too long, for almost my entire adult life, they have 477 00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:29,200 Speaker 1: gotten by with not actually having to work. And I'm 478 00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:32,120 Speaker 1: telling you, I've just reached my limit with them. I've 479 00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:37,480 Speaker 1: reached the limit. Then, finally, after the break, I want 480 00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:40,600 Speaker 1: to tell you how he conflates passing the bill with 481 00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:44,280 Speaker 1: the political value of at least going through the exercise. 482 00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:55,640 Speaker 1: That's next. Welcome back to the weekend with Michael Brown. 483 00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:57,960 Speaker 1: We're talking about this article on hot air about why 484 00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:02,240 Speaker 1: the talking filibuster is going to fail, and I point 485 00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:05,200 Speaker 1: out that he's right in some areas. But here's what 486 00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:09,120 Speaker 1: in the area where I think he fails hugely, bigly, 487 00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:12,760 Speaker 1: as Trump would say, and that is he conflates passing 488 00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:17,000 Speaker 1: the Save Act with the political value of the exercise 489 00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:20,720 Speaker 1: of going through the vote. This is the biggest analytical error. 490 00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:25,200 Speaker 1: Patterson dismisses Senator Lee's strategy because it won't pass the bill, 491 00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:29,040 Speaker 1: but Lee himself all but gave away the game. His 492 00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:33,720 Speaker 1: plan is to force Democrats to filibuster at length for weeks, 493 00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:37,720 Speaker 1: delay the sixty vote culture requirement, keep Democrats in the 494 00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:42,560 Speaker 1: news cycle to build pressure until those sixty votes materialize. 495 00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:45,640 Speaker 1: Patterson says he doesn't believe Democrats will yield. Well, that's fine, 496 00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:50,840 Speaker 1: but that's beside the point for the political strategy. Weeks 497 00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:54,440 Speaker 1: of Democrats standing on the Senate floor blocking a popular 498 00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:59,200 Speaker 1: voter ID bill while DHS is simultaneously shutter because Democrats 499 00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:03,400 Speaker 1: are blocking that, that is a potent mid term narraty. 500 00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:05,960 Speaker 1: You don't have to win the floor fight to win 501 00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:10,360 Speaker 1: the argument, to win the political argument. Now, his solution 502 00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:17,320 Speaker 1: elects seventy five senators is utopian to the point of uselessness. 503 00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:20,840 Speaker 1: Patterson's closing argument is essentially this, The answer is to 504 00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:25,000 Speaker 1: keep electing Republicans until you have a filibuster proof supermajority. Well, 505 00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:27,480 Speaker 1: that's not a strategy right now, that's a prayer. That's 506 00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:30,280 Speaker 1: a hope and a prayer. The Senate has never had 507 00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:33,200 Speaker 1: seventy five members of one party in the modern era, 508 00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:37,440 Speaker 1: and even if Republicans get to sixty, they'd face the 509 00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:40,680 Speaker 1: same internal discipline problems on any given bill that they 510 00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:44,880 Speaker 1: have now. Telling people frustrated by the Save Act impass 511 00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:48,800 Speaker 1: to wait for a supermajority is the political equivalent of 512 00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:51,280 Speaker 1: telling somebody whose house is on fire to wait for 513 00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:54,920 Speaker 1: the rainstorm to come in, not the fire trucks the rainstorm. 514 00:30:55,880 --> 00:31:00,880 Speaker 1: So Patterson's conclusion that the talking filibuster will not pass 515 00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:05,200 Speaker 1: the Save Act in this Congress may be correct, and 516 00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:09,040 Speaker 1: Thune is right. The votes maybe aren't there to initiate it, 517 00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:12,920 Speaker 1: to sustain it, or to win it. The amendment trap 518 00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:17,000 Speaker 1: is real, the fifty one senator babysitting requirement, that is real. 519 00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:21,280 Speaker 1: But his imply broader conclusion in the article that the 520 00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:25,600 Speaker 1: talking filibuster strategy is therefore without merit, and advocates for 521 00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:28,680 Speaker 1: it are you know, just enumerate roubes living in a 522 00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:33,640 Speaker 1: box canyon is utterly wrong because it conflates a legislative 523 00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:38,240 Speaker 1: strategy which I know won't work with a political strategy 524 00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:42,560 Speaker 1: which might work, and the two are not the same. 525 00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:47,840 Speaker 1: Sometimes you fight a floor battle precisely because losing it 526 00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:51,840 Speaker 1: on the floor means winning it at the ballot box. 527 00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:58,000 Speaker 1: The sharper and harder version of that piece in Hot 528 00:31:58,040 --> 00:32:04,160 Speaker 1: Air would have acknowledged that that distinction between winning on 529 00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:08,040 Speaker 1: the floor and winning at the ballot box, and then 530 00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:11,880 Speaker 1: argued should have argued why Republicans, you know, shouldn't take 531 00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:15,160 Speaker 1: the political gamble either. Instead, he tries to build a 532 00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:20,920 Speaker 1: strong mathematical case against somebody nobody seriously actually claimed that 533 00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:24,280 Speaker 1: the math would lead directly to passage, and then declare 534 00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:27,440 Speaker 1: victory over you know, the straw opponent that he built 535 00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:30,240 Speaker 1: with the math. I mean, it's a good piece. It's 536 00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:34,800 Speaker 1: a solid procedural analysis, but it wins the easy argument 537 00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:38,959 Speaker 1: about the numbers and avoids the hard one, and that 538 00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:43,480 Speaker 1: is about the political strategy. I'm tired of both Democrats 539 00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:49,479 Speaker 1: and Republicans hiding behind all these procedural rules. And as 540 00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:51,360 Speaker 1: somebody on the text line said, you know, just get 541 00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:54,440 Speaker 1: rid of the filibuster. Just get rid of it entirely. 542 00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:58,640 Speaker 1: And there are arguments for and against that, you know, 543 00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:02,160 Speaker 1: the primary argument for getting rid of it. Oh, might 544 00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:05,840 Speaker 1: as well do it anyway, because I guaranteem to you 545 00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:10,480 Speaker 1: that if we lose the Senate majority in these midterm elections, 546 00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:13,000 Speaker 1: which six months ago I didn't think we had a 547 00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:16,200 Speaker 1: I didn't think we would. I thought we'd actually gained 548 00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:20,040 Speaker 1: seats in the midterms. But because of the way Thune 549 00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:22,320 Speaker 1: is leading the Senate. I think he's going to lose 550 00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:25,680 Speaker 1: the Senate for us, and that that happens and the 551 00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:29,160 Speaker 1: Democrats take over, they'll be under enormous pressure to get 552 00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:35,120 Speaker 1: rid of the philibuster. And remember, the filibuster is just 553 00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:41,320 Speaker 1: a Senate rule. It's not in the Constitution. It actually 554 00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:46,040 Speaker 1: evolved accidentally from an eighteen to oh six procedural cleanup. 555 00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:50,080 Speaker 1: The Founders didn't design it, the Senate stumbled along to it. 556 00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:54,440 Speaker 1: And that's important because defenders who invoked the Founders are 557 00:33:54,680 --> 00:34:00,600 Speaker 1: arguing from mythology, not history. The current form of the 558 00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:06,040 Speaker 1: filibuster requires sixty votes for cloture, ending debate on almost 559 00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:11,480 Speaker 1: all legislation. The nuclear option, a simple majority vote to 560 00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:14,600 Speaker 1: change the rule has already been used twice, Harry Reid 561 00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:19,719 Speaker 1: in twenty thirteen for executive and judicial nominees below the 562 00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:23,040 Speaker 1: Supreme Court level, and then Mitch McConnell in twenty seventeen 563 00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:26,960 Speaker 1: for Supreme Court nominees. So the legislative philibuster is the 564 00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:32,239 Speaker 1: last standing version of the original practice, and there is 565 00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:35,279 Speaker 1: a case for keeping it, and there is a case 566 00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:39,000 Speaker 1: for getting rid of In fact, you know, maybe that's 567 00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:41,239 Speaker 1: what we should do. I was going to do something. 568 00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:43,319 Speaker 1: I was going to do something about poverty in the next hour, 569 00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:46,279 Speaker 1: but maybe we ought to walk through the case for 570 00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:49,319 Speaker 1: We don't spend a lot of time on it, but 571 00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:51,960 Speaker 1: walk through the case for and against getting rid of 572 00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:56,480 Speaker 1: the philibuster, because that's something I truly want you to understand, 573 00:34:57,239 --> 00:35:02,120 Speaker 1: because they're political ramifications. But the boss one is when 574 00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:06,399 Speaker 1: you listen to this program, you may get a lot 575 00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:09,160 Speaker 1: of legal theory, but one thing that you will get 576 00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:13,239 Speaker 1: in terms of politics is the reality. And the reality 577 00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:16,319 Speaker 1: that I see it in my little crystal ball is 578 00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:19,560 Speaker 1: that the filibuster is just hanging by a thread. And 579 00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:23,719 Speaker 1: the Democrats really want us Republicans to get rid of 580 00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:27,120 Speaker 1: the philibuster because then they'll scream and holler about, oh 581 00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:30,120 Speaker 1: my gosh, you know they're abusing the power. Well, they're 582 00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:34,160 Speaker 1: the ones that really want to do it because but 583 00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:38,080 Speaker 1: they don't want to get blamed for it because this 584 00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:43,200 Speaker 1: would change the Senate, and the Senate would be changed 585 00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:46,879 Speaker 1: forever until they you know, might readopt the filibuster rule 586 00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:52,120 Speaker 1: where everything just gets passed by a simple majority. So 587 00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:55,560 Speaker 1: if the Democrats really want it, but they don't want 588 00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:58,680 Speaker 1: to take responsibility for changing it, and they want to 589 00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:02,719 Speaker 1: put that responsibility on the Republicans. Then why don't Republicans 590 00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:06,839 Speaker 1: just stand up and say, we know that if we 591 00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:11,080 Speaker 1: lose the majority in the midterm elections, that the Democrats 592 00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:15,680 Speaker 1: will get rid of the philibuster. Now, assuming that they 593 00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:20,000 Speaker 1: don't get a sixty forty split in the Senate after 594 00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:24,080 Speaker 1: the midterms, then they will have The Democrats would then 595 00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:25,880 Speaker 1: have to make a decision to get rid of the 596 00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:29,440 Speaker 1: filibuster or keep it. But if they get beyond sixty, 597 00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:33,080 Speaker 1: they can leave the filibuster in place because they have 598 00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:38,239 Speaker 1: the votes, because they're disciplined, unlike Republicans. They're disciplined, and 599 00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:41,800 Speaker 1: if they need to invoke cloture in debate, even a 600 00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:44,400 Speaker 1: John Fetterman at that point would join them and say, finely, 601 00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:47,839 Speaker 1: I'll vote for cloture. So it just depends on by 602 00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:50,800 Speaker 1: which margin the Democrats might take over the Senate in 603 00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:53,919 Speaker 1: the midterm elections. But nonetheless, let's do that next hour, 604 00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:56,680 Speaker 1: at least for a segment or two. Let's walk through 605 00:36:56,719 --> 00:37:00,879 Speaker 1: the reasons four and against dumping the Philip Buster. It's 606 00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:03,359 Speaker 1: the weekend with Michael Brown. Text lines open three three 607 00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:06,479 Speaker 1: one zero three keyword Michael Michael, I'll be right back 608 00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:09,279 Speaker 2: Zero