1 00:00:01,120 --> 00:00:03,960 Speaker 1: I was very sad to hear of Rob Reiner's death. 2 00:00:05,000 --> 00:00:07,960 Speaker 1: He appeared on this program a couple of years back, 3 00:00:08,640 --> 00:00:11,760 Speaker 1: and it was an honor to talk to him. Absolute 4 00:00:11,840 --> 00:00:18,480 Speaker 1: comedic genius, all time great filmmaker, Spinal Tap, Meathead, Princess Bride, 5 00:00:18,640 --> 00:00:22,560 Speaker 1: Wolfe of Wall Street, a few good men. The list 6 00:00:22,600 --> 00:00:26,599 Speaker 1: goes on and on, so great and so diverse. My 7 00:00:26,720 --> 00:00:35,879 Speaker 1: heart is breaking, Rob Reiner, r ip uh Tom got fired, 8 00:00:35,960 --> 00:00:39,000 Speaker 1: but he'll be back tomorrow. So you can call immediate 9 00:00:39,080 --> 00:00:43,159 Speaker 1: mont at a three three four one two w xdx. 10 00:00:43,240 --> 00:00:47,440 Speaker 1: That's a three to three four one two w xdx. 11 00:00:48,240 --> 00:00:52,080 Speaker 1: If you're going to the game tonight, tell me why, 12 00:00:52,400 --> 00:00:55,280 Speaker 1: I mean, why the heck would you? What's the attraction? 13 00:00:56,000 --> 00:00:59,200 Speaker 1: How could it possibly be fun in nine degree weather? 14 00:01:00,200 --> 00:01:03,480 Speaker 1: And while this is a big game in terms of 15 00:01:03,520 --> 00:01:08,440 Speaker 1: maintaining the division lead the AFC North, it's not a 16 00:01:08,560 --> 00:01:11,520 Speaker 1: very good Steeler team. So what would winning tonight lead to? 17 00:01:12,319 --> 00:01:17,640 Speaker 1: At best? And now Jalen Warren is questionable with illness 18 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:20,279 Speaker 1: or maybe it's just too cold on maybe he's smarter 19 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:24,319 Speaker 1: than those of you who are going. My idea for 20 00:01:24,440 --> 00:01:26,720 Speaker 1: you is to come watch the game with the super 21 00:01:26,720 --> 00:01:31,240 Speaker 1: genius at sidelines. In Millville. Great wings, and I'll be 22 00:01:31,560 --> 00:01:35,680 Speaker 1: fired up. It don't bother me that Jalen Warren's that. 23 00:01:35,800 --> 00:01:38,800 Speaker 1: I think he's a decent back. But I've wanted to 24 00:01:38,840 --> 00:01:43,399 Speaker 1: see more all year of the rookie Caleb Johnson, and 25 00:01:43,520 --> 00:01:47,560 Speaker 1: if this facilitates that, that's okay by me. 26 00:01:49,640 --> 00:01:50,960 Speaker 2: It's a big game for the Steelers. 27 00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:54,960 Speaker 1: It's a bigger game for Miami, who can only maintain 28 00:01:55,960 --> 00:01:59,600 Speaker 1: any mathematical hope of qualifying for a wild card by 29 00:01:59,640 --> 00:02:04,280 Speaker 1: winning this evening. I think the game tonight's a toss up. 30 00:02:05,240 --> 00:02:08,040 Speaker 1: Everybody says Miami won't want to play in the cold 31 00:02:08,720 --> 00:02:13,880 Speaker 1: because they're in Florida. What you think the Steelers want 32 00:02:13,880 --> 00:02:15,440 Speaker 1: to play a nine degree weather? 33 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:16,720 Speaker 2: Nobody does. 34 00:02:17,320 --> 00:02:20,280 Speaker 1: I did a ran on Tim Benz's podcast last night 35 00:02:21,280 --> 00:02:24,280 Speaker 1: about how every NFL stadium should have a roof or 36 00:02:24,320 --> 00:02:29,400 Speaker 1: a dome, you know, retractable whatever. When the weather's bad, 37 00:02:29,800 --> 00:02:33,880 Speaker 1: Every NFL game should be played indoors. The NFL is 38 00:02:33,880 --> 00:02:38,160 Speaker 1: a multi billion dollar industry, all that betting on top 39 00:02:38,200 --> 00:02:41,399 Speaker 1: of that, and in cooperation with the league and its 40 00:02:41,440 --> 00:02:47,920 Speaker 1: broadcast partners, so make the playing condition standard and good 41 00:02:47,919 --> 00:02:48,760 Speaker 1: for every game. 42 00:02:49,800 --> 00:02:50,320 Speaker 2: There's no. 43 00:02:51,800 --> 00:02:56,320 Speaker 1: Romance in those snow Globe games like people pretend not 44 00:02:56,440 --> 00:03:00,520 Speaker 1: in person, certainly maybe if you're watching on TV, and 45 00:03:00,600 --> 00:03:03,080 Speaker 1: you know who the biggest ass clowns in the world 46 00:03:03,160 --> 00:03:08,160 Speaker 1: are are the players on NFL teams who go out 47 00:03:08,200 --> 00:03:12,720 Speaker 1: to play on nights like tonight with no sleeves to 48 00:03:12,840 --> 00:03:18,000 Speaker 1: prove they're tough. They're not tough. They're just playing stupid. 49 00:03:19,120 --> 00:03:24,320 Speaker 1: And by the way, I bet TJ. Watt is gonna 50 00:03:24,320 --> 00:03:29,120 Speaker 1: sue the Steelers over this punctured lung thing, the dry needling. 51 00:03:29,919 --> 00:03:33,400 Speaker 1: There's some signs that definitely point in that direction, and 52 00:03:33,440 --> 00:03:37,000 Speaker 1: I'm gonna share those with you a little later on 53 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:41,360 Speaker 1: this program. But right now, let's get to the quarterback reports. 54 00:03:43,040 --> 00:03:50,200 Speaker 1: Pat Mahomes's knee buckled towards ACL and Kansas City is 55 00:03:50,240 --> 00:03:54,360 Speaker 1: now officially eliminated from playoff content, And just like I 56 00:03:54,480 --> 00:03:58,000 Speaker 1: said would happen before the season started, so please do 57 00:03:58,160 --> 00:04:02,560 Speaker 1: bow down at the altar of the super Genius. I 58 00:04:02,680 --> 00:04:05,800 Speaker 1: knew it was too many extra games in all those 59 00:04:05,840 --> 00:04:09,720 Speaker 1: playoff runs, and now I think their dynasty is done. 60 00:04:10,240 --> 00:04:12,520 Speaker 1: Mahomes might not be ready for the start the next year. 61 00:04:12,720 --> 00:04:17,880 Speaker 1: Travis Kelcey's washed up. They had a great run one rings, 62 00:04:17,920 --> 00:04:23,400 Speaker 1: but now they're finished. Kenny Pickett, formerly of this parish. 63 00:04:23,440 --> 00:04:25,400 Speaker 2: He started for Las Vegas yesterday. 64 00:04:25,440 --> 00:04:28,120 Speaker 1: He was fifteen for twenty five for sixty four yards, 65 00:04:28,560 --> 00:04:33,480 Speaker 1: one pick, four sacks. Vegas lost thirty one meal at Philadelphia, 66 00:04:33,560 --> 00:04:38,560 Speaker 1: so that wasn't too good of a game for our Kenny. 67 00:04:39,360 --> 00:04:43,760 Speaker 1: He averaged two point six yards per passing attempt. Shador 68 00:04:43,880 --> 00:04:47,120 Speaker 1: Sanders for Cleveland was eighteen for thirty five for one 69 00:04:47,200 --> 00:04:51,279 Speaker 1: hundred and seventy seven yards, three picks, five sacks. The 70 00:04:51,320 --> 00:04:55,000 Speaker 1: Brons got killed, but I still see Chador as a victim. 71 00:04:55,560 --> 00:04:59,640 Speaker 1: He's just an oppressed urban youth having to cope with 72 00:04:59,720 --> 00:05:04,400 Speaker 1: a racist society. Philip Rivers, Grandpa, forty four years old. 73 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:08,200 Speaker 1: He was eighteen for twenty seven for only one hundred 74 00:05:08,200 --> 00:05:12,680 Speaker 1: and twenty yards, one touchdown, one pick. He got sacked 75 00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:17,200 Speaker 1: once and didn't die, so there's that. But he was 76 00:05:17,320 --> 00:05:22,560 Speaker 1: used as a game manager in a terrified fashion. So 77 00:05:22,640 --> 00:05:25,359 Speaker 1: I'm not sure what the point is of him playing. 78 00:05:26,200 --> 00:05:29,799 Speaker 1: Although Seattle is very good, and Indy was at Seattle 79 00:05:30,520 --> 00:05:33,560 Speaker 1: and the Seahawks only beat the Colts by two eighteen sixteen. 80 00:05:34,600 --> 00:05:39,360 Speaker 1: Oh and today, after yesterday's result, Joe Burrow the Bengals quarterback. 81 00:05:40,400 --> 00:05:44,320 Speaker 1: He's even less happy boohoo for him because Baltimore killed 82 00:05:44,400 --> 00:05:48,520 Speaker 1: the Bengals and Burrow was terrible. But it could be worse. 83 00:05:48,520 --> 00:05:50,359 Speaker 1: He could be on the Steelers, and I'm not kidding. 84 00:05:50,400 --> 00:05:53,400 Speaker 1: If Burrow came to the Steelers, he wouldn't even get 85 00:05:53,440 --> 00:05:57,960 Speaker 1: stats and the Steelers still won't win playoff games. He'd 86 00:05:57,960 --> 00:06:03,640 Speaker 1: be trading Jamar and Ti for DK and well, I 87 00:06:03,680 --> 00:06:06,799 Speaker 1: guess stealing right now. But he'd be gone when Rogers 88 00:06:06,839 --> 00:06:09,760 Speaker 1: is gone, So I don't know DK and the fat Kid. 89 00:06:09,839 --> 00:06:11,680 Speaker 2: I guess a tight end. 90 00:06:12,600 --> 00:06:12,720 Speaker 3: Uh. 91 00:06:13,640 --> 00:06:18,320 Speaker 1: Some Mark on Twitter said that the Bengals how they're 92 00:06:18,360 --> 00:06:20,360 Speaker 1: doing shows why you don't tank. 93 00:06:21,760 --> 00:06:23,679 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think they've shown why you do tank. 94 00:06:23,800 --> 00:06:28,560 Speaker 1: Einstein, I'd rather have Cincinnati's last six years than the 95 00:06:28,600 --> 00:06:33,560 Speaker 1: steelers last six years. Cincinnati played in a Super Bowl 96 00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:37,200 Speaker 1: and in an AFC Championship game in twenty twenty one 97 00:06:37,240 --> 00:06:40,440 Speaker 1: and twenty twenty two. If they set that up by 98 00:06:40,480 --> 00:06:43,120 Speaker 1: going too and fourteen and twenty nineteen to get Burrow, 99 00:06:43,640 --> 00:06:47,240 Speaker 1: it sounds like that plan got maybe not perfectly executed, 100 00:06:47,960 --> 00:06:50,040 Speaker 1: but fairly well. So you look at what the Steelers 101 00:06:50,040 --> 00:06:53,599 Speaker 1: have done in those six years, and it amounts. 102 00:06:53,160 --> 00:06:59,760 Speaker 2: To boring, boring, boring. Yo. Uh. 103 00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:04,760 Speaker 1: The other thing somebody else tweeted was Kansas City now 104 00:07:04,839 --> 00:07:09,400 Speaker 1: with mahomes odd and having been mathematically eliminated, they're going 105 00:07:09,440 --> 00:07:12,160 Speaker 1: to play three meaningless games to end the year. And 106 00:07:13,120 --> 00:07:17,240 Speaker 1: this guy marveled that the Steelers have only played one 107 00:07:17,280 --> 00:07:20,320 Speaker 1: meaningless game in the Mike Common era. Actually, they've played 108 00:07:20,360 --> 00:07:22,560 Speaker 1: a ton of meaningless games. We just didn't know it 109 00:07:22,640 --> 00:07:25,400 Speaker 1: at the time. All this being in the mushy middle, 110 00:07:25,480 --> 00:07:29,880 Speaker 1: all this being man, all this being largely competitive, what's 111 00:07:29,920 --> 00:07:30,440 Speaker 1: it got him? 112 00:07:31,160 --> 00:07:32,720 Speaker 2: What's it got him? 113 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:36,840 Speaker 1: I mean, needless to say, you'd rather have Kansas City's 114 00:07:36,960 --> 00:07:41,160 Speaker 1: run than the Steelers run. And I'd rather have Cincinnati's 115 00:07:41,200 --> 00:07:44,520 Speaker 1: run with Burrow than Tom Win's run with the Steelers 116 00:07:44,800 --> 00:07:45,800 Speaker 1: the last six years. 117 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:48,280 Speaker 2: Let's go real quick to John down town. John, you're 118 00:07:48,320 --> 00:07:50,240 Speaker 2: on with Mark Mark. 119 00:07:50,280 --> 00:07:50,640 Speaker 1: What's up? 120 00:07:50,680 --> 00:07:50,880 Speaker 3: Man? 121 00:07:51,080 --> 00:07:51,720 Speaker 2: I'm John. 122 00:07:52,720 --> 00:07:54,840 Speaker 3: Hey, I'm out here ready to tailgate. You're asking why 123 00:07:55,240 --> 00:07:56,440 Speaker 3: white people were coming out him. 124 00:07:56,440 --> 00:07:57,600 Speaker 1: I'm already hear, I'm ready to go. 125 00:07:57,600 --> 00:07:58,520 Speaker 3: I'm getting fired up. 126 00:07:59,040 --> 00:08:01,080 Speaker 2: So you're outside tailgating right now. 127 00:08:01,960 --> 00:08:03,720 Speaker 3: I'm sitting in my car waiting, so I'm gonna let 128 00:08:03,720 --> 00:08:04,800 Speaker 3: me in three o'clock they. 129 00:08:04,720 --> 00:08:07,880 Speaker 1: Open up and you're gonna be outside then tailgating. 130 00:08:08,880 --> 00:08:11,440 Speaker 3: Yep, five hours. I got my heaters staying warm. I'm 131 00:08:11,480 --> 00:08:11,920 Speaker 3: ready to go. 132 00:08:12,320 --> 00:08:14,440 Speaker 1: John, You're stupid and I hope you freeze the debts. 133 00:08:14,480 --> 00:08:17,679 Speaker 1: But thank you for taking the time to call. Uh 134 00:08:17,760 --> 00:08:20,080 Speaker 1: you can you can call now. Like I said, Tom 135 00:08:20,160 --> 00:08:22,920 Speaker 1: got fired, but he'll be back tomorrow. The number to 136 00:08:22,960 --> 00:08:25,320 Speaker 1: call his eight three three four one two WXDX. We 137 00:08:25,400 --> 00:08:29,040 Speaker 1: got Jonathan Bumbully talking hockey at the bottom of the hour, 138 00:08:29,080 --> 00:08:32,280 Speaker 1: and just around the corner, I will talk about the 139 00:08:32,320 --> 00:08:36,480 Speaker 1: problems the Penguins are having because they are many and 140 00:08:36,520 --> 00:08:40,320 Speaker 1: they are great. I'll also fill you in on my 141 00:08:40,600 --> 00:08:44,000 Speaker 1: notion the TJ. Watt is gonna sue the Steelers. What 142 00:08:44,320 --> 00:08:45,120 Speaker 1: five ninety X. 143 00:08:46,040 --> 00:08:46,960 Speaker 2: Here's the story. 144 00:08:47,040 --> 00:08:51,440 Speaker 1: I'm a bit behind on, but almost everybody else is ignoring, 145 00:08:51,480 --> 00:08:53,680 Speaker 1: both nationally and in Pittsburgh. 146 00:08:53,920 --> 00:08:54,240 Speaker 2: TJ. 147 00:08:54,360 --> 00:08:57,559 Speaker 1: Watt is out for tonight and probably for the season, 148 00:08:57,600 --> 00:09:03,000 Speaker 1: I'm told because of that dry needling thing, the punctured 149 00:09:03,080 --> 00:09:07,400 Speaker 1: lun The definitive statement about what happened did not come 150 00:09:07,440 --> 00:09:08,280 Speaker 1: from the Steelers. 151 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:12,200 Speaker 2: It came from TJ's brother JJ Watt. 152 00:09:12,240 --> 00:09:16,720 Speaker 1: Again not from the Steelers, even though it was a 153 00:09:16,760 --> 00:09:23,640 Speaker 1: team administered procedure. No statement from the Steelers except for 154 00:09:23,720 --> 00:09:26,959 Speaker 1: Wat's status for the game tonight, and when Tomlin was 155 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:28,880 Speaker 1: asked about it, Tomlin said he didn't know. 156 00:09:30,360 --> 00:09:31,600 Speaker 2: Tomlin said he didn't know. 157 00:09:32,520 --> 00:09:36,080 Speaker 1: That's a flat out, bold faced lie, a flat out, 158 00:09:36,120 --> 00:09:41,560 Speaker 1: bold faced lie. You're telling me that Tomlin, the Steelers 159 00:09:41,559 --> 00:09:44,679 Speaker 1: head coach, did he didn't know what's wrong with his 160 00:09:44,840 --> 00:09:50,199 Speaker 1: highest paid player. That's an absolute lie. And would it 161 00:09:50,360 --> 00:09:54,880 Speaker 1: surprise you if TJ. Watt winds up suing the Steelers 162 00:09:55,640 --> 00:10:00,680 Speaker 1: over medical malpractice. Would not surprise me a little bit. 163 00:10:01,520 --> 00:10:05,120 Speaker 1: What JJ Watt said and what Toma didn't say, it's 164 00:10:05,280 --> 00:10:11,199 Speaker 1: all very lawsuiting. By the way, the contract extension given TJ. Watt, 165 00:10:11,600 --> 00:10:15,439 Speaker 1: like I said the day it was inked, that extension, 166 00:10:15,600 --> 00:10:19,600 Speaker 1: is one of the worst decisions in Steeler's history, maybe 167 00:10:19,720 --> 00:10:23,240 Speaker 1: the worst, and it came not long after the Steelers 168 00:10:23,320 --> 00:10:27,400 Speaker 1: drafted Kenny Pickett, another all time great faux pap. This 169 00:10:27,480 --> 00:10:32,760 Speaker 1: Steelers organization is a clown show. It doesn't even remotely 170 00:10:32,880 --> 00:10:35,360 Speaker 1: know what it's doing. And I know you don't want 171 00:10:35,360 --> 00:10:40,120 Speaker 1: to hear that, but I enjoy telling you that because 172 00:10:40,120 --> 00:10:43,160 Speaker 1: it's just so evident. If you want to admit it. 173 00:10:44,640 --> 00:10:48,719 Speaker 1: I'm gonna do my big Penguin's rant in just a 174 00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:53,040 Speaker 1: little bit. We will preface that by having JB on 175 00:10:53,160 --> 00:10:58,559 Speaker 1: Jonathan Bumbulli from the trib in just a few seconds. 176 00:10:59,200 --> 00:11:01,800 Speaker 1: But I also to point out it's a Josh Joey 177 00:11:01,840 --> 00:11:05,760 Speaker 1: tweet regarding tomorrow night's home game against Edmonton. We talk 178 00:11:05,800 --> 00:11:07,760 Speaker 1: about how dumb you are if you go to the 179 00:11:07,800 --> 00:11:10,240 Speaker 1: Steeler game tonight outdoors at nine degree weather, and you 180 00:11:10,280 --> 00:11:13,360 Speaker 1: are You're stupid if you go. But let me read 181 00:11:13,400 --> 00:11:16,120 Speaker 1: this Joey tweet about tomorrow night's game. Tickets are expensive 182 00:11:16,160 --> 00:11:19,240 Speaker 1: and the Pen's had a gruesome week, But go tomorrow 183 00:11:19,280 --> 00:11:23,360 Speaker 1: if you're able. Because Sid two points from catching Mario, 184 00:11:23,920 --> 00:11:27,040 Speaker 1: Mario will be in the building. McDavid's at his peak, 185 00:11:28,240 --> 00:11:32,200 Speaker 1: Dry Sattles one point from hitting number one thousand, Jari 186 00:11:32,360 --> 00:11:35,600 Speaker 1: is playing against the Penguins. I'm assuming Skinner will be 187 00:11:35,600 --> 00:11:38,920 Speaker 1: in goal for the Penguins against Edmonton. 188 00:11:39,520 --> 00:11:41,040 Speaker 2: That's a big nights. 189 00:11:41,600 --> 00:11:44,480 Speaker 1: And but if you go and they pull that crap 190 00:11:44,520 --> 00:11:47,360 Speaker 1: again blowing the leads, I'm not gonna blame you if 191 00:11:47,360 --> 00:11:51,560 Speaker 1: you boo yesterday when they blew the three Niel lead 192 00:11:51,600 --> 00:11:55,080 Speaker 1: at the end of two and ended up losing five 193 00:11:55,120 --> 00:11:58,240 Speaker 1: to four in overtime to Utah that third period. The 194 00:11:58,280 --> 00:12:01,559 Speaker 1: Penguin fans at home, we're as venomous as I've ever 195 00:12:01,600 --> 00:12:03,680 Speaker 1: heard them with the booing, and I can't say I 196 00:12:03,720 --> 00:12:08,640 Speaker 1: blame them. I'm normally for sticking with the home team, 197 00:12:09,760 --> 00:12:15,040 Speaker 1: but these are for sure mitigating circumstances. By the way, 198 00:12:15,040 --> 00:12:17,359 Speaker 1: with the bad weather and snow this weekend, the Akroscher 199 00:12:17,400 --> 00:12:23,200 Speaker 1: Stadium's groundkeepers have been temporarily replaced by pen dot workers. 200 00:12:23,840 --> 00:12:26,640 Speaker 1: The field's still going to be crap, and there's also 201 00:12:26,720 --> 00:12:30,760 Speaker 1: a two hour delay for the following school districts. Jonathan 202 00:12:30,760 --> 00:12:33,400 Speaker 1: Bmbully up next, one oh five to nine. The Penguins 203 00:12:33,400 --> 00:12:37,439 Speaker 1: are in a bit of a rut. I think that's understated, 204 00:12:37,840 --> 00:12:40,200 Speaker 1: joining me not to talk about it. He is the 205 00:12:40,200 --> 00:12:43,240 Speaker 1: assistant sports letter for the trip. Always a pleasure to 206 00:12:43,240 --> 00:12:47,520 Speaker 1: talk to. Jonathan Bombulli JB. Here's a weird yet simple question. 207 00:12:47,960 --> 00:12:51,080 Speaker 1: How do the Penguin stop choking? Because that's what it 208 00:12:51,160 --> 00:12:52,840 Speaker 1: is and it feels like it's in their DNA. 209 00:12:52,960 --> 00:12:56,880 Speaker 3: Now, Yeah, the stopping it is the hard part, Like 210 00:12:57,480 --> 00:13:00,360 Speaker 3: explaining it isn't isn't as hard as stopping it. Because 211 00:13:00,360 --> 00:13:02,000 Speaker 3: I really feel like they have a mental block at 212 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:04,480 Speaker 3: this point, like it's it's it's like a Putter with 213 00:13:04,520 --> 00:13:07,200 Speaker 3: the yips or Steve Blast disease or something like that 214 00:13:07,520 --> 00:13:10,160 Speaker 3: where you know the scene and the Replacements where Shane 215 00:13:10,200 --> 00:13:13,480 Speaker 3: Falco they ask him what he's afraid of and he says, 216 00:13:13,559 --> 00:13:15,320 Speaker 3: quicksand do you know what I'm talking about? 217 00:13:15,440 --> 00:13:18,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, they're in quicksand like you can feel the choke 218 00:13:18,840 --> 00:13:21,680 Speaker 1: coming the minute the first goal thereof goes. 219 00:13:21,480 --> 00:13:24,080 Speaker 3: In and the harder you try to get out of it, 220 00:13:24,080 --> 00:13:26,640 Speaker 3: the more you think in the Quicksand So I really 221 00:13:26,840 --> 00:13:29,520 Speaker 3: I think it's I really think it's a lot of 222 00:13:29,520 --> 00:13:30,559 Speaker 3: it is psychological. 223 00:13:30,640 --> 00:13:32,080 Speaker 2: I mean you could draw you can draw. 224 00:13:31,960 --> 00:13:33,640 Speaker 3: Up x's and o's. Don't think there's anything wrong with 225 00:13:33,640 --> 00:13:36,760 Speaker 3: their x's and o's. And I think that the solution 226 00:13:36,880 --> 00:13:39,040 Speaker 3: might also be psychological, like this might be the kind 227 00:13:39,040 --> 00:13:41,600 Speaker 3: of problem that requires like a team meeting, a closed 228 00:13:41,600 --> 00:13:45,000 Speaker 3: door meeting or a or voodoo or something like. I 229 00:13:45,360 --> 00:13:47,360 Speaker 3: don't think it's it's something that Dan Music is gonna 230 00:13:47,360 --> 00:13:49,960 Speaker 3: break down video and fix. I think these guys just 231 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:52,480 Speaker 3: have to get out of their own heads well and. 232 00:13:52,440 --> 00:13:56,559 Speaker 1: Ire somebody's gonna say something to JB. For example, after 233 00:13:56,600 --> 00:13:59,480 Speaker 1: the game yesterday, and I know you're gonna say stuff 234 00:13:59,520 --> 00:14:02,000 Speaker 1: to the meeting that's different than what you say in 235 00:14:02,040 --> 00:14:05,080 Speaker 1: the locker room. But since talking about breaks and bounces 236 00:14:05,120 --> 00:14:08,200 Speaker 1: and finishing the game, somebody needs to say, whether in 237 00:14:08,240 --> 00:14:12,240 Speaker 1: private or in public, this is horseman or and totally unacceptable. 238 00:14:12,400 --> 00:14:14,400 Speaker 2: There need to be some hard words. 239 00:14:15,200 --> 00:14:17,120 Speaker 3: Except that that just makes you think more into the 240 00:14:17,200 --> 00:14:19,880 Speaker 3: quicksand you need to just snap out of it. 241 00:14:19,960 --> 00:14:22,520 Speaker 2: In JB. This way ain't working. I'd try the. 242 00:14:22,480 --> 00:14:25,600 Speaker 3: Other way, right, Yeah, you're right, something has to be changed, 243 00:14:25,640 --> 00:14:27,280 Speaker 3: Although I mean sid does have a point. I mean, 244 00:14:27,320 --> 00:14:29,280 Speaker 3: if Brian Russ puts that puck in the net instead 245 00:14:29,280 --> 00:14:31,280 Speaker 3: of hitting the post, it's a different. 246 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:33,960 Speaker 2: Come right, right right right on Saturday, no question. 247 00:14:34,040 --> 00:14:37,800 Speaker 1: But still, like you look at this streak of choking 248 00:14:37,840 --> 00:14:39,560 Speaker 1: and stuff like that adds up. 249 00:14:40,560 --> 00:14:42,120 Speaker 2: How much do you blame the goaltending? 250 00:14:42,680 --> 00:14:48,640 Speaker 1: Because the bad defense is obvious and then you know, 251 00:14:48,920 --> 00:14:50,840 Speaker 1: feeling under pressure is as well. 252 00:14:51,160 --> 00:14:52,200 Speaker 2: But you got to make a save? 253 00:14:53,360 --> 00:14:56,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely, gold Tang is definitely part part of the blame, 254 00:14:57,240 --> 00:15:01,280 Speaker 3: a large part. But here's what I'd say, Like all you, 255 00:15:01,360 --> 00:15:06,760 Speaker 3: this team has been like kind of stub standard, sub average, defensively, 256 00:15:06,960 --> 00:15:09,120 Speaker 3: they've been like a you know, I don't know if 257 00:15:09,120 --> 00:15:11,720 Speaker 3: they're a bottom five team in the league defensively, but 258 00:15:11,760 --> 00:15:12,920 Speaker 3: they probably bottom. 259 00:15:12,560 --> 00:15:15,000 Speaker 2: Tenk Here's what I will say. 260 00:15:15,360 --> 00:15:18,440 Speaker 1: I thought their defensive core before the year was for 261 00:15:18,480 --> 00:15:22,120 Speaker 1: sure bottom ten, and for a while it overachieved. 262 00:15:21,400 --> 00:15:22,280 Speaker 2: But not right now. 263 00:15:23,080 --> 00:15:25,520 Speaker 3: Well, I think what happened to a large degree is 264 00:15:25,560 --> 00:15:29,760 Speaker 3: the goaltending overachieved. And it could be Jarry especially. I 265 00:15:29,760 --> 00:15:32,000 Speaker 3: mean that you traded away your hot goalie is what happened. 266 00:15:32,400 --> 00:15:35,160 Speaker 3: So I'm not saying that was a mistake. It's in 267 00:15:35,200 --> 00:15:37,360 Speaker 3: the big picture, it's definitely not a mistake. But in 268 00:15:37,400 --> 00:15:39,640 Speaker 3: the small picture, you got a hot goalie and you 269 00:15:39,720 --> 00:15:42,720 Speaker 3: traded him away, and now you know he's playing behind 270 00:15:42,720 --> 00:15:45,440 Speaker 3: the sub sub you know, like like I said, bottom 271 00:15:45,440 --> 00:15:48,640 Speaker 3: ten type of defense, and your hot goalie's gone. So 272 00:15:48,680 --> 00:15:52,080 Speaker 3: that's sort of the nuts and bolts explanation of what's 273 00:15:52,120 --> 00:15:55,160 Speaker 3: going on. Here's the thing that kind of gets to me. 274 00:15:55,600 --> 00:15:59,280 Speaker 3: There's a there's a photo that we use with your 275 00:15:59,320 --> 00:16:03,280 Speaker 3: column today, the tread mark, and there it's the Tofoli 276 00:16:03,360 --> 00:16:05,920 Speaker 3: goal that ties it against the Sharks, and there's three 277 00:16:05,920 --> 00:16:09,320 Speaker 3: penguins around the net in the photo and it's Shay, 278 00:16:09,600 --> 00:16:13,320 Speaker 3: and it's Weatherspoon and it's a Charie and those are 279 00:16:13,320 --> 00:16:16,440 Speaker 3: their three best defensive guys. I mean, if you're damn 280 00:16:16,480 --> 00:16:18,520 Speaker 3: mused and you're trying to protect a one goal lead 281 00:16:18,840 --> 00:16:21,440 Speaker 3: and you have everybody at your disposal, who do you 282 00:16:21,560 --> 00:16:23,960 Speaker 3: send over the boards to protect a one goal lead? 283 00:16:24,760 --> 00:16:27,240 Speaker 3: Like there's no great answers. 284 00:16:27,560 --> 00:16:31,080 Speaker 2: Chari gone Righty left you with the defense pair. 285 00:16:31,160 --> 00:16:32,840 Speaker 1: That's one thing I didn't like in that game was 286 00:16:32,880 --> 00:16:36,720 Speaker 1: he went with Carlson Latang and then Shay and Watherspoon. 287 00:16:37,320 --> 00:16:40,200 Speaker 1: I mean, I get Shayan Watherspoon, but still left He 288 00:16:40,320 --> 00:16:43,160 Speaker 1: Lefty when they don't like to do it. And I 289 00:16:43,200 --> 00:16:47,000 Speaker 1: didn't understand it all. Carlson little Latang out there together 290 00:16:47,080 --> 00:16:50,080 Speaker 1: protecting a lead, and he's done that fairly frequently at 291 00:16:50,120 --> 00:16:51,360 Speaker 1: the end of games this season. 292 00:16:52,040 --> 00:16:54,000 Speaker 3: Well, I understand it in the sense that you want 293 00:16:54,000 --> 00:16:56,200 Speaker 3: two guys on the ice who have who are you know, 294 00:16:56,280 --> 00:16:59,400 Speaker 3: have been through situations and those two guys, Crystal Tang's 295 00:16:59,440 --> 00:17:02,040 Speaker 3: been on the ice protect leads in Stanley Cup finals 296 00:17:02,440 --> 00:17:07,199 Speaker 3: like these guys. Tive Oh, it's a different ballgame entirely. 297 00:17:07,520 --> 00:17:10,479 Speaker 3: I'm just saying that I don't think you have a 298 00:17:10,560 --> 00:17:14,600 Speaker 3: great option. There's nobody. There are no defensive stoppers on 299 00:17:14,640 --> 00:17:17,399 Speaker 3: that roster. Like I said, a Charie and Weatherspoon are 300 00:17:17,400 --> 00:17:20,160 Speaker 3: the closest thing, and those guys are not. You know, 301 00:17:20,680 --> 00:17:24,080 Speaker 3: Larry Robinson and Bob Gainey, you know what I mean. 302 00:17:24,119 --> 00:17:27,959 Speaker 3: Like that, those are those are their average defensive players, 303 00:17:27,960 --> 00:17:29,960 Speaker 3: and those are your best options here. I have a 304 00:17:30,040 --> 00:17:35,200 Speaker 3: question for you this this third period collapsing started really 305 00:17:35,280 --> 00:17:39,320 Speaker 3: bad when right after they lost two of their four 306 00:17:39,440 --> 00:17:42,040 Speaker 3: centers to injury in the same game. But it was 307 00:17:42,160 --> 00:17:45,040 Speaker 3: Malcolm and it was Lizott. Right now, there's no way, 308 00:17:45,080 --> 00:17:48,119 Speaker 3: there's no way Malcolm and Lazote's absence can cause this 309 00:17:48,240 --> 00:17:49,359 Speaker 3: kind of an impact, can it. 310 00:17:50,119 --> 00:17:53,920 Speaker 1: I think it It disrupted their rhythm, the way they 311 00:17:54,000 --> 00:17:54,960 Speaker 1: roll lines. 312 00:17:54,640 --> 00:17:56,040 Speaker 2: In the way those two lines play. 313 00:17:56,160 --> 00:17:58,840 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not saying it's a major cause, but 314 00:17:58,880 --> 00:18:02,440 Speaker 1: I'm not sure anyone thing, honestly, besides the goaltending is 315 00:18:02,440 --> 00:18:04,800 Speaker 1: a major cause for this. I think it's a bunch 316 00:18:04,840 --> 00:18:08,160 Speaker 1: of little causes adding up disastrously. Well. 317 00:18:08,359 --> 00:18:11,400 Speaker 3: I would have said goaltending was the a plus number 318 00:18:11,480 --> 00:18:14,960 Speaker 3: one cause before when She Loves, because I think She 319 00:18:15,040 --> 00:18:17,960 Speaker 3: Loves has been pretty rough for about six weeks now. 320 00:18:18,600 --> 00:18:20,840 Speaker 3: But then the same thing happened to Mershov, who was, 321 00:18:20,960 --> 00:18:22,880 Speaker 3: you know, not in any sort of. 322 00:18:22,800 --> 00:18:25,320 Speaker 1: A roam, and the bad goal in overtime, which happened 323 00:18:25,320 --> 00:18:27,280 Speaker 1: to him when he was here earlier this year. 324 00:18:28,240 --> 00:18:31,679 Speaker 3: Yeah, and he also, I mean, when they're trying to 325 00:18:31,720 --> 00:18:34,080 Speaker 3: protect the lead, I think we might disagree on this. 326 00:18:34,480 --> 00:18:36,760 Speaker 3: When they're trying to protect the lead, what I see 327 00:18:36,920 --> 00:18:40,320 Speaker 3: is a team that is so passive. They don't take 328 00:18:40,359 --> 00:18:43,080 Speaker 3: away the blue line, they don't try to prevent pucks 329 00:18:43,080 --> 00:18:45,840 Speaker 3: from entering the zone, they don't take away time in space. 330 00:18:45,960 --> 00:18:48,320 Speaker 1: I think they get pass them when it's too late. 331 00:18:49,800 --> 00:18:52,040 Speaker 1: I think I think they should have come into the 332 00:18:52,080 --> 00:18:57,480 Speaker 1: third period yesterday, in the third period Saturday trapping dump, 333 00:18:57,480 --> 00:19:00,560 Speaker 1: being trying to work down low and trapping. But instead 334 00:19:00,560 --> 00:19:02,640 Speaker 1: they did what the Penguins do, which is attack all 335 00:19:02,640 --> 00:19:04,639 Speaker 1: the time. And then when a couple goals went in, 336 00:19:04,720 --> 00:19:08,119 Speaker 1: that's when they got passive, but not in any way constructively. 337 00:19:08,920 --> 00:19:10,760 Speaker 3: Okay, I guess I'm talking about like the when the 338 00:19:11,040 --> 00:19:13,760 Speaker 3: five on six situation with the goalie pulled. 339 00:19:13,840 --> 00:19:17,520 Speaker 1: They literally at the point it gets to five on six, 340 00:19:17,600 --> 00:19:19,679 Speaker 1: they're so far off their own backside they don't know 341 00:19:19,680 --> 00:19:20,080 Speaker 1: what to do. 342 00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:23,080 Speaker 3: They look with the boxer who's so afraid of getting 343 00:19:23,080 --> 00:19:25,639 Speaker 3: counterpunched that they just stand there and get punched in 344 00:19:25,680 --> 00:19:28,000 Speaker 3: the face over and over again. That's the analogy that 345 00:19:28,040 --> 00:19:30,840 Speaker 3: I would use to describe them in the last couple 346 00:19:30,920 --> 00:19:33,400 Speaker 3: of minutes. But you're talking about in the first couple 347 00:19:33,480 --> 00:19:36,320 Speaker 3: of minutes of the third period when they gave up 348 00:19:36,359 --> 00:19:39,159 Speaker 3: those goals against Utah. Okay, then I don't think we 349 00:19:39,240 --> 00:19:41,679 Speaker 3: disagree at all. That was But here's the thing about trapping. 350 00:19:41,960 --> 00:19:44,120 Speaker 3: Trapping is something that you can do aggressively. You can 351 00:19:44,119 --> 00:19:44,560 Speaker 3: be no. 352 00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:47,640 Speaker 1: Question you can attack and trap at the same time. 353 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:51,280 Speaker 1: It's just waiting for defense to turn into offense. 354 00:19:52,119 --> 00:19:54,920 Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean they need to deny entries. They need 355 00:19:54,920 --> 00:19:57,240 Speaker 3: to you know, clear the front of them that they 356 00:19:57,240 --> 00:20:01,000 Speaker 3: need to do active things, not passive thing. I know 357 00:20:01,080 --> 00:20:04,000 Speaker 3: that's you know, easier said than done and also real 358 00:20:04,119 --> 00:20:05,000 Speaker 3: armchair analysis. 359 00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:06,639 Speaker 2: But I wish, I wish I would have had that 360 00:20:06,680 --> 00:20:08,639 Speaker 2: line for my column. JB. Where were you when I 361 00:20:08,680 --> 00:20:09,040 Speaker 2: needed you? 362 00:20:09,119 --> 00:20:12,119 Speaker 1: We're talking to Jonathan Bombulli the trib here on the 363 00:20:12,119 --> 00:20:15,119 Speaker 1: Home of the Penguins one oh five ninety X. Is 364 00:20:15,160 --> 00:20:18,480 Speaker 1: it worth keeping the roster together or would you start 365 00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:21,000 Speaker 1: trading off the veterans. I know what the standings say. 366 00:20:21,560 --> 00:20:23,520 Speaker 1: I know they're only one point out of a playoff Berth. 367 00:20:23,560 --> 00:20:26,600 Speaker 1: I know they have the fewest losses in regulation in 368 00:20:26,680 --> 00:20:28,800 Speaker 1: the conference, which is just crazy, JB. 369 00:20:29,200 --> 00:20:30,639 Speaker 2: But I also know what I'm seeing. 370 00:20:31,760 --> 00:20:33,720 Speaker 3: You know, they have at least one point in the 371 00:20:33,760 --> 00:20:35,840 Speaker 3: standings in nine of the next eleven games. 372 00:20:35,920 --> 00:20:37,640 Speaker 2: It's unreal, isn't it. 373 00:20:37,640 --> 00:20:39,480 Speaker 3: It sounds like it sounds like a hot streak when 374 00:20:39,520 --> 00:20:42,080 Speaker 3: you say it that way, and it's anything. But I 375 00:20:42,080 --> 00:20:45,040 Speaker 3: think the answer to your question lies in how important 376 00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:48,960 Speaker 3: is it to you to sneak into the playoffs, Because 377 00:20:49,760 --> 00:20:52,600 Speaker 3: they can do that. It'd be very difficult to do 378 00:20:52,640 --> 00:20:54,679 Speaker 3: that if you trade it away a couple of you know, 379 00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:57,400 Speaker 3: your best pieces, especially your forwards, and they're not. 380 00:20:57,400 --> 00:20:59,439 Speaker 1: Going to do it for Sid's steak, which is another 381 00:20:59,480 --> 00:21:00,960 Speaker 1: debate whether that's good or bad. 382 00:21:01,840 --> 00:21:05,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, but you think it's important to sneak into the playoffs, 383 00:21:05,320 --> 00:21:07,440 Speaker 3: and you know, maybe you lose the first round, likely 384 00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:10,240 Speaker 3: you lose in the first round. If that's important, then 385 00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:10,960 Speaker 3: I don't sell. 386 00:21:11,240 --> 00:21:13,200 Speaker 2: I gotta tell you, though, j B. Let me play 387 00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:14,080 Speaker 2: devil's advocate. 388 00:21:14,840 --> 00:21:16,879 Speaker 1: If they do make the playoffs, I think it is 389 00:21:17,119 --> 00:21:19,479 Speaker 1: very likely they would lose in the first round. But 390 00:21:19,520 --> 00:21:22,840 Speaker 1: in this conference, I can't say I know that for sure. 391 00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:25,760 Speaker 3: Well sure, if you get a goalie on a heater 392 00:21:25,840 --> 00:21:27,920 Speaker 3: like they had Jerry, then you can win a series 393 00:21:28,040 --> 00:21:31,320 Speaker 3: or two for two, I mean winning two series if something. 394 00:21:31,359 --> 00:21:33,800 Speaker 1: I mean, the only team I would be fearful if 395 00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:37,119 Speaker 1: they played in the first round would be Carolina and 396 00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:39,800 Speaker 1: maybe not even them, because they're just not a playoff 397 00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:41,639 Speaker 1: style team, and I think Brenda Moore is a lousy 398 00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:42,400 Speaker 1: playoff coach. 399 00:21:43,320 --> 00:21:46,080 Speaker 3: Carolina looks like the only decent item in the Eastern 400 00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:48,399 Speaker 3: Conference if you look at the standings. Depending on how 401 00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:51,199 Speaker 3: you feel about Tampa, I mean, you know, I think 402 00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:55,560 Speaker 3: they're tool Yeah, and Vassilevsky needs to stay healthy. I 403 00:21:55,600 --> 00:21:58,000 Speaker 3: mean that's a huge part of it. But you know, 404 00:21:58,040 --> 00:21:58,760 Speaker 3: look at teams that. 405 00:21:58,720 --> 00:22:00,320 Speaker 2: Are holding down a playoffs far now. 406 00:22:00,359 --> 00:22:03,320 Speaker 3: Detroit's holding one down, the Islanders are holding one down, 407 00:22:04,040 --> 00:22:06,760 Speaker 3: Like I don't you say that the Penguins are just 408 00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:08,480 Speaker 3: out of the playoff spot. But it's like some of 409 00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:10,440 Speaker 3: the teams they'd have to catch aren't any good at all. 410 00:22:10,920 --> 00:22:13,359 Speaker 3: So and they have and they have games at hand, 411 00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:16,480 Speaker 3: so like they're in there's no chance they're out of 412 00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:20,480 Speaker 3: the playoff race by the trade deadline. So here, I'll 413 00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:22,480 Speaker 3: give you one one exception. Now, I think the guys 414 00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:26,720 Speaker 3: you got from Edmonton, you know, Kolak and I. 415 00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:27,400 Speaker 2: Think they're going to help. 416 00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:30,879 Speaker 1: I think Klak especially, I think he'll be a stabilizing 417 00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:34,639 Speaker 1: force on defense. And Skinner, I mean Edmonton, they blame 418 00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:37,280 Speaker 1: him for losing the last two Stanley Cup finals, but 419 00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:38,160 Speaker 1: he did get him there. 420 00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:41,720 Speaker 3: And also every time something, every time he had a 421 00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:44,840 Speaker 3: bad game, it was like dredged up the ghosts of 422 00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:48,480 Speaker 3: playoff losses and stuff and that that won't happen here. 423 00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:50,760 Speaker 3: But I was gonna say those I mean they traded. 424 00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:53,960 Speaker 1: Edmonton traded who they perceived to be a bad big 425 00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:56,600 Speaker 1: game goalie for maybe the worst big game goalie I've 426 00:22:56,640 --> 00:22:57,119 Speaker 1: ever seen. 427 00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:00,959 Speaker 3: Yeah, this is a huge gamble on Edmonton's part. It's 428 00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:02,440 Speaker 3: not a huge gamble on the Penguins part. 429 00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:06,200 Speaker 2: To gamble on Edmonton's part, don't you well? 430 00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:08,600 Speaker 3: They had to do something. I mean doing nothing was 431 00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:11,960 Speaker 3: not an option. But I I'm not if you're looking 432 00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:14,119 Speaker 3: to get better in the playoffs and your answer is 433 00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:16,640 Speaker 3: trist and Jerry, I don't know. I'm a little skeptical 434 00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:18,639 Speaker 3: of that thinking. But what I was going to say, Mark, 435 00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:21,000 Speaker 3: is that they could move Skinner and cool act yes, 436 00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:24,160 Speaker 3: because those are expiring contracts. If you know, if those 437 00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:26,399 Speaker 3: are attractive to the team, I think you can do 438 00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:29,920 Speaker 3: that without disrupting your whole playoff push. If that's something 439 00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:31,880 Speaker 3: you were inclined to do. I think if you trade 440 00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:35,239 Speaker 3: Russell Raquel, you're disrupting the whole thing. You might as 441 00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:36,480 Speaker 3: well trade everybody. 442 00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:41,040 Speaker 1: Now, Edmonton's here tomorrow and not doing great either. I mean, 443 00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:42,800 Speaker 1: they've won six to ten, but they've been kind of 444 00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:46,920 Speaker 1: trading sewage. Where are the Oilers at and where's McDavid at? 445 00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:51,440 Speaker 3: I don't like I've noticed something. I was looking at 446 00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:57,440 Speaker 3: stats in terms of like goals against forwards in the 447 00:23:57,520 --> 00:23:59,040 Speaker 3: league who have been on the ice for the most 448 00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:01,720 Speaker 3: goals against, because I was looking to see where Crosby 449 00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:04,679 Speaker 3: sits in that, you know, because he plays a lot 450 00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:06,120 Speaker 3: in Penglands, give up a lot of goals and he's 451 00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:07,919 Speaker 3: kind of he's on the leader board, but he's not 452 00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:11,400 Speaker 3: near the top. McDavid's near the top. He's he's way 453 00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:14,679 Speaker 3: ahead in terms of goals for when he's on the 454 00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:18,000 Speaker 3: ice and he's also way up top goals against when 455 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:20,840 Speaker 3: he's on the ice. So that leads me to believe, 456 00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:24,120 Speaker 3: having not watched Edmonton closely this season, that they're doing 457 00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:27,119 Speaker 3: what they do, which is score goals and give up goals, 458 00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:30,520 Speaker 3: and and that'll get them through. That'll get you know, 459 00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:32,159 Speaker 3: that'll get you an art Ross, and that'll get you 460 00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:34,480 Speaker 3: deep into the playoffs. And whether that'll get you a 461 00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:37,040 Speaker 3: championship or not, everybody knows how it goes. I mean, 462 00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:38,800 Speaker 3: the Penguins had to do it in the nineties. Sometimes 463 00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:40,480 Speaker 3: you got to buckle down, and that's what they need 464 00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:43,720 Speaker 3: to do. But when I when you know when they're 465 00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:46,600 Speaker 3: coming in to play a game here, that's what I expect. 466 00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:48,560 Speaker 3: I expect that team that's going to score a lot 467 00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:49,840 Speaker 3: of goals and give up a lot of goals. 468 00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:50,840 Speaker 2: Well, it's funny. 469 00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:54,719 Speaker 1: I saw the Burrough speech from before this week and 470 00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:59,040 Speaker 1: then again after he played terribly yesterday. You know, the whiny, poor, poor, 471 00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:02,080 Speaker 1: pitiful me, it's no find any more speech. I'm expecting 472 00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:04,280 Speaker 1: that speech from McDavid at some point. 473 00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:07,320 Speaker 3: That's possible. You're gonna get it from me because he 474 00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:10,960 Speaker 3: Burrows on my fantasy team got minus point five points 475 00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:13,879 Speaker 3: this is no fun. This fantasy league's no fun. Why 476 00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:14,960 Speaker 3: should I do it? Joe? 477 00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:18,880 Speaker 1: But but what one guy who's a scapegoat for all 478 00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:21,280 Speaker 1: this is Crysala Tang because the fans have to narrow 479 00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:23,840 Speaker 1: it down to one guy they can blame, who a 480 00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:25,840 Speaker 1: lot of them didn't like in the first place, and 481 00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:27,560 Speaker 1: if we replace him, it'll get better. 482 00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:29,120 Speaker 2: I think that's absurd. 483 00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:32,760 Speaker 1: I think Latang and Carlson both got to be better. 484 00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:35,480 Speaker 1: I feel like pairing them in tight situations isn't a 485 00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:38,720 Speaker 1: good move. But like I always say, if you bench 486 00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:42,480 Speaker 1: one or both, who the frig plays in their place 487 00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:45,199 Speaker 1: and doesn't make the team better, the answer is obviously no. 488 00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:50,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, well I would say this first of all, Crystal 489 00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:52,920 Speaker 3: Tang at even strength this year has been on the 490 00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:55,440 Speaker 3: ice for I believe one more goal against than goals four, 491 00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:59,159 Speaker 3: So it's it's not like he's a train wreck. But 492 00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:02,520 Speaker 3: there are memorable players that are bad plays, turnovers that 493 00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:05,719 Speaker 3: lead to goals and things of this nature. And you know, 494 00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:08,040 Speaker 3: he has had his minutes I think scaled back a bit. 495 00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:10,840 Speaker 3: I think Carlson's playing the most minutes now and I 496 00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:13,840 Speaker 3: think Carlson has earned those by playing better this year. 497 00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:16,360 Speaker 3: Than he has the last two years. So I think 498 00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:18,880 Speaker 3: you do have to monitor La Tang's you know, ice 499 00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:23,239 Speaker 3: time in now that he's in his thirties. But you know, 500 00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:26,359 Speaker 3: I don't I think, like I said, the raw numbers 501 00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:29,960 Speaker 3: tell you the story, the reason that the Penguins, and 502 00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:31,720 Speaker 3: this is the story of the whole team, and it's 503 00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:34,320 Speaker 3: also the story of Crys Latang. They blew a five 504 00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:37,320 Speaker 3: to one lead on Saturday. They had a five to 505 00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:40,320 Speaker 3: one lead, they had to get it and Latang's a 506 00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:42,399 Speaker 3: big part of getting that lead in addition to a 507 00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:45,399 Speaker 3: big part of giving up that lead. So that's always 508 00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:47,320 Speaker 3: the case with offensive defense, but it's been the case 509 00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:49,920 Speaker 3: since you know, Paul Coffee's days, or before him, Bobby 510 00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:53,080 Speaker 3: orr so, you know. But the thing is, the Penguins 511 00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:54,440 Speaker 3: have two of them, and they eat up a lot 512 00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:56,679 Speaker 3: of minutes, and they're the most experienced players on the 513 00:26:56,720 --> 00:26:59,679 Speaker 3: tee on the defense, and when you're Dan musing, you're 514 00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:01,520 Speaker 3: trying to protect the lead and you look down the bench, 515 00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:04,639 Speaker 3: those two guys look like better options than you know, 516 00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:09,320 Speaker 3: I don't know Jack Saint Ivany or Yeah, don't get. 517 00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:12,440 Speaker 1: Me wrong, I'd played Jack Saint Ivany ahead of Ahead 518 00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:14,920 Speaker 1: of Connor Clifton. But but I mean, yeah, people want 519 00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:17,040 Speaker 1: to bench people and they don't, and there's always the 520 00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:19,120 Speaker 1: siren song of the truly stupid JB. 521 00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:23,159 Speaker 2: Anybody would be better. Get anybody in there. Uh. 522 00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:26,920 Speaker 1: And finally, one thing that I think has been underplayed 523 00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:29,840 Speaker 1: because it's a huge deal is Sid is about to 524 00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:33,080 Speaker 1: catch Mario for career points. I think we've known for 525 00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:36,359 Speaker 1: some time it's inevitable, but what an accomplishment, particularly with 526 00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:38,520 Speaker 1: a franchise like this one. Like, I don't think it 527 00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:41,520 Speaker 1: matters who the career points leader in say Carolina is. 528 00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:47,600 Speaker 3: I don't know, it's the top of my head. You 529 00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:50,919 Speaker 3: just asked a good turia question. By accident, I would say, 530 00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:54,720 Speaker 3: if they count the whalers, it is probably Ronnie Francis. Like, 531 00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:59,680 Speaker 3: I never thought to me that the most striking thing 532 00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:03,520 Speaker 3: about Sid passing Mario is you have to think back 533 00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:06,159 Speaker 3: to when Sid was just coming into the league, and 534 00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:08,480 Speaker 3: if someone had said to you, this kid is going 535 00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:11,520 Speaker 3: to end up with more career points than Mario Lemieux, 536 00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:15,480 Speaker 3: you would have said, hold your horses, let's not. I know, 537 00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:17,720 Speaker 3: this kid's a great prospect, let's not hold him to 538 00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:22,280 Speaker 3: that kind of standard. And in hindsight, it was perfectly 539 00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:24,119 Speaker 3: fair to hold him to that kind of standard. He 540 00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:25,600 Speaker 3: is that caliber of player. 541 00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:29,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, I never thought I would rate anybody in a 542 00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:32,719 Speaker 1: class with Mario or in Gretzky, but I do with Sid. 543 00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:36,480 Speaker 1: I'm making that a quartet. And I think he's a monument. 544 00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:39,120 Speaker 1: I think he's the most consistent hockey player of. 545 00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:45,120 Speaker 3: All time, sure and competitives and you know, just a winner. 546 00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:48,240 Speaker 3: And honestly, you have to take there's a whole generation 547 00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:52,120 Speaker 3: of fans mark maybe two generations of fans who can't 548 00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:57,000 Speaker 3: really grasp how far ahead of any other player to 549 00:28:57,120 --> 00:29:01,080 Speaker 3: ever play for the Penguins that Mario was at one point, 550 00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:04,280 Speaker 3: you know what I mean, Like before Sid came around, 551 00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:08,560 Speaker 3: you know, the Gats, the Gulf from one to two, 552 00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:13,360 Speaker 3: you know, probably Yogurt. It was huge, Like we couldn't 553 00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:15,920 Speaker 3: conceive of the idea of somebody being in the same 554 00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:19,480 Speaker 3: sentence as Mary e Lemieux in nineteen ninety four. If 555 00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:22,800 Speaker 3: you had said that to me in you know, thirty 556 00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:25,000 Speaker 3: years from now, you will be mentioning someone else in 557 00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:27,320 Speaker 3: the same breath as Mary e Lemieux and I would say, 558 00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:30,440 Speaker 3: you're out of your mind, and we are, And that's 559 00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:31,720 Speaker 3: a huge testament to sit. 560 00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:35,120 Speaker 1: JB as always terrific insight. We'll talk to you again soon. 561 00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:42,480 Speaker 1: That is Jonathan Bumbulli from the trip. We got a 562 00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:45,040 Speaker 1: lot of football talk today too. Alan Saunders will be 563 00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:49,600 Speaker 1: joining us. We got Phil Burke to talk hockey. Oh 564 00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:52,640 Speaker 1: our football guru Matt Williamson at three thirty. It's the 565 00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:55,840 Speaker 1: Mark Madden Show on one oh five ninety X. You 566 00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:58,560 Speaker 1: know what's really gaining a lot of momentum among the 567 00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:03,520 Speaker 1: Steelers stooge media is Kansas City playing three meaningless games 568 00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:07,400 Speaker 1: not to end their season after they've been eliminated mathematically 569 00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:11,040 Speaker 1: from playoff contention, and that the Steelers under Mike tom 570 00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:14,640 Speaker 1: would have only played one of those in his nineteen years. Okay, 571 00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:20,560 Speaker 1: but what did all that lead to no losing season streak? 572 00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:25,960 Speaker 1: The no meaningless game streak well won in his tenure. Anyway, 573 00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:30,480 Speaker 1: it means nothing if you don't accomplish on the back 574 00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:32,800 Speaker 1: of those and the Steelers have it. 575 00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:34,040 Speaker 2: The Steelers have it. 576 00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:36,840 Speaker 1: But leave it to the Steelers stooge media to say 577 00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:41,280 Speaker 1: everything Steelers do good. Kansas City, they're not as good 578 00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:46,360 Speaker 1: as the Steelers. They're playing meaningless games. Shut the frig 579 00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:51,680 Speaker 1: up the first hour of The Mark Mannon Show, brought 580 00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:54,560 Speaker 1: to us by Shandrorovich, Cenrorovic and Fisherman. They got your back, 581 00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:58,440 Speaker 1: not your wallet right now, even in the absence of 582 00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:01,840 Speaker 1: tom My, producer was fired. But we'll be back tomorrow. 583 00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:07,240 Speaker 1: It's the trifecta. And today the trifect is. Top three 584 00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:12,560 Speaker 1: most memorable things for me done by Rob Reiner in 585 00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:18,880 Speaker 1: show business Rob Reiner passing away yesterday tragically. Number three 586 00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:22,320 Speaker 1: is he played Michael Stivic Meathead on All in the Family, 587 00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:25,280 Speaker 1: and that was in the salad days of his career. 588 00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:29,120 Speaker 1: But it was an unforgettable show and an unforgettable character. 589 00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:34,080 Speaker 1: And the goodbye scene when he and Gloria moved to 590 00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:38,400 Speaker 1: California and he says farewell to Archie is one of 591 00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:42,400 Speaker 1: the best scenes in the history of situational comedy TV. 592 00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:47,880 Speaker 2: Number two stand By Me, which he directed. 593 00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:53,760 Speaker 1: The movie just a classic film, a quintessential coming of 594 00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:54,800 Speaker 1: age tale. 595 00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:57,880 Speaker 2: And number one, how could it be anything else? For me? 596 00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:02,360 Speaker 2: Certainly Vinyl Tap the original. 597 00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:04,880 Speaker 1: There was a sequel just last year which was excellent 598 00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:09,000 Speaker 1: as well, but nothing could ever top the original movie, 599 00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:14,360 Speaker 1: The rocumentary, the mockumentary, the documentary. This is Spinal Tap 600 00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:20,440 Speaker 1: with Rob Ryaner not only producing but a character in 601 00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:25,400 Speaker 1: the film as documentarian Marty de Bergie. So that's my 602 00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:29,400 Speaker 1: top three for Rob Riiner. My trifecta, May he rest 603 00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:33,160 Speaker 1: in peace. Just off the list is Wolf of Wall Street, 604 00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:37,200 Speaker 1: which he played Leonardo DiCaprio's father in Mad Max. He 605 00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:40,560 Speaker 1: was just excellent in that showed his comedic chops and 606 00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:46,080 Speaker 1: timing which very few could match him for. So the 607 00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:50,120 Speaker 1: trifecta brought to was by Danny's pitern Hogies, Pittsburgh's original 608 00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:55,040 Speaker 1: oven baked hogy since nineteen sixty. That's Danny's en Route 609 00:32:55,200 --> 00:33:00,200 Speaker 1: eighty eight in Bethel Park. If you'd like the all 610 00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:03,160 Speaker 1: dial eight three three four one two wxdx. That's eight 611 00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:08,760 Speaker 1: three to three four one two wxdx at the top 612 00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:11,560 Speaker 1: of the hour. Just moments away, I'll be doing my 613 00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:14,440 Speaker 1: penguin rant. We talked to JB about the penguin's habit 614 00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:17,680 Speaker 1: of choking. I'll give you my full analysis of it 615 00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:18,640 Speaker 1: just from on the corner. 616 00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:19,000 Speaker 2: Of course. 617 00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:21,840 Speaker 1: We got the Steelers hosting Miami tonight. Come watch the 618 00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:24,600 Speaker 1: game with me at sidelines in Millville. Get wings, just 619 00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:31,080 Speaker 1: great wings and sidelines the Dolphins practiced outdoors late Saturday 620 00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:35,800 Speaker 1: night upon arriving in Pittsburgh. That was at RMU to 621 00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:41,120 Speaker 1: get used to the night and the cold. That's maybe 622 00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:45,960 Speaker 1: eighty percent prudent, maybe twenty percent thinking too much. The 623 00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:49,040 Speaker 1: Steelers have won twenty two straight Monday night football home games. 624 00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:54,000 Speaker 1: That's incredible. But Miami is playing better right now than 625 00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:58,520 Speaker 1: the Steelers. Four straight wins, running the ball very well, 626 00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:01,840 Speaker 1: very good defense, a lot of takeaways. A better coach 627 00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:05,480 Speaker 1: than Tomlin and Mike McDaniel, although they've played meaningless games, 628 00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:10,400 Speaker 1: so he must suck. Tomlin must be better, like Tomlin's 629 00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:14,359 Speaker 1: a better coach than Andy Reid because the Steelers only 630 00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:17,200 Speaker 1: played the one meaningless game in nineteen years and the 631 00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:20,600 Speaker 1: Chiefs are now going to play three. You Steeler Riders 632 00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:23,600 Speaker 1: for one moment, Dot stooge I might drop de of 633 00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:24,240 Speaker 1: a heart attack. 634 00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:25,959 Speaker 2: Same goes for Pirate Riders too. 635 00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:30,719 Speaker 1: If the Steelers get to lead tonight and TUA has 636 00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:33,920 Speaker 1: to catch up two A loons, so I feel like 637 00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:38,960 Speaker 1: the game will be decided early and it's in the Steelers' hands. 638 00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:41,080 Speaker 2: You got no TJ. Watt. 639 00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:43,120 Speaker 1: I don't think that's a big deal because you got 640 00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:48,760 Speaker 1: the other three guys. Rogers has been sometimes okay, sometimes shaky, 641 00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:52,359 Speaker 1: but he had things organized at Baltimore for that big win. 642 00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:56,680 Speaker 1: It's a winnable game. They very likely win, but it's 643 00:34:56,680 --> 00:34:59,919 Speaker 1: far from a lock. I just wish Firemouth and John 644 00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:02,560 Speaker 1: who would get involved. Put the fat kid on his 645 00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:05,640 Speaker 1: fat ass on the bench. But it's gonna be feeling 646 00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:09,480 Speaker 1: and MVS and the fat Kid because that's what Rogers wants. 647 00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:13,960 Speaker 1: And that's okay if it works, but not if it 648 00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:18,160 Speaker 1: doesn't Rogers. If this season goes awry and they don't 649 00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:22,120 Speaker 1: win a playoff game, Rogers should get more blame than 650 00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:25,799 Speaker 1: he's currently getting. Okay, just around the corner, I'll bitch 651 00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:29,799 Speaker 1: about the Penguins, and then we want calls on the fifteens. 652 00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:30,800 Speaker 2: Call now. 653 00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:37,160 Speaker 1: Uh eight three, three four one two w xdx's The 654 00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:38,719 Speaker 1: Mark Mann Show on one oh five to nine