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Speaker 1: make the most, you should do the most. And this

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Speaker 1: I think when you look at their stats and how

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Speaker 1: the talk show craze that's sweeping the nation. Audience participation.

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Speaker 1: That's a Pittsburgh sensation. Is that it I just can't

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Speaker 1: on both sides of the ball. That's a good cliche,

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Speaker 1: I mean, a good topic for calls on the fifteens.

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Speaker 1: And can we say yet the TJ. Watt is washed

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Speaker 1: I predicted that giving him that deal was a grievous error.

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Speaker 1: the power play at that point, just a catastrophic loss,

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Speaker 2: Jim, you're on with Mark?

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Speaker 3: Hey, Mark, As far as Steelers MVP offense defense, I

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Speaker 3: can't adventure a guess on that, really can't. As far

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Speaker 1: He used to beat it a lot. He used to

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Speaker 3: Well, the bigger problem is even when he gets singled up,

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Speaker 1: Well, he's just not doing much of anything, Like he

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Speaker 2: But he's not even a factor.

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Speaker 1: You don't remember plays where he blew the play up,

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Speaker 1: He's clearly lost a half step, and it's evident to

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Speaker 2: Alex talk to Mark, what up mine?

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Speaker 1: He just said, we're gonna keep working on improving in

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Speaker 5: No, And I, if I were them, I would pull

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Speaker 5: No, I completely agree, And can I hit you with

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Speaker 2: No, let's go to that's frask Mark. Anything later, Let's.

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Speaker 4: After last night's game, I'm of the opinion of that

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Speaker 1: I'm okay with the case they need to finish a

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Speaker 2: You read him in the Sporting News.

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Speaker 1: He's Pittsburgh's own Mike the course, He Mike, here's a

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Speaker 2: Give me one on each side of the ball.

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Speaker 8: That's probably they probably about I don't know, seven and two,

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Speaker 7: The trade has been something.

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Speaker 8: It's close to a disaster because they haven't gotten much

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Speaker 2: Are they a lot going to be seven and six?

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Speaker 1: Because as this discussion has yielded, Mike, no players have

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Speaker 8: No, I think they've there have been a lot of

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's had the most good games, I think.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, And if you go by percentage of good games,

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Speaker 7: It's not one hundred. Nobody's perfect every time out.

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Speaker 8: But he just has missed enough time that that part

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Speaker 1: Has TJ want lost a step? Can we just say

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Speaker 2: He always has been he always has.

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Speaker 8: Not not like this, I mean not in every playing

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Speaker 7: Hurt by Keanu Benten.

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Speaker 8: Uh, you know, we're not getting hurt from that standpoint,

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Speaker 1: Why can't the Steelers won the ball or stop the run,

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Speaker 8: But on the defensive side, I think it's a lot

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Speaker 8: Joey Porter's got to make the tackle. Well, I mean,

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Speaker 7: I mean that's so why are you playing it that way?

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Speaker 8: Of course, to Shaun Elliet, his absence is a big

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Speaker 1: Miami is in time Monday night? Is this kind of

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Speaker 1: they can run the ball, and you know that's what

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I don't.

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Speaker 8: I think it's a dangerous game, like you're you're implying,

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Speaker 7: Have those anymore. Not this team.

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Speaker 8: True, this team doesn't have This team doesn't have trap games,

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Speaker 7: That's a trap game like last year.

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Speaker 8: But this team has to take every game seriously, especially

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Speaker 2: And this is by no means a gimme.

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Speaker 7: No, no, no, they've been.

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Speaker 8: They've been playing exceedingly well and on both sides of

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Speaker 1: We're talking to Mike the course of the Sporting News

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Speaker 1: Mike brought to us by South Hills, Kia. Mike, I

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Speaker 7: And I think that's what the whole Schwarber thing was.

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Speaker 7: The pursuit of one of the best home run hitters

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Speaker 8: Oh tr Yes, I don't think it's BS, but I

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Speaker 8: I think it's one hundred percent PR because if they

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Speaker 8: If if you aren't hitting anymore by the time we

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Speaker 1: bid the Phillies in money and in tenure, he might

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Speaker 1: still say no because he wants to win.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, he might, but.

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Speaker 8: He you know, but if you put if you put

444
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Speaker 8: like I said, if you put some exceptional offer on

445
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Speaker 8: the on the on the table, he's gonna have to

446
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Speaker 8: think about it.

447
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Speaker 7: Uh. When it's just uh, okay.

448
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Speaker 8: My four years against their five years, he's not even

449
00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:05,679
Speaker 8: thinking twice about it because, you know, because if he

450
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Speaker 8: wants to live in Pittsburgh, he can afford to live

451
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Speaker 8: anywhere he wants, So it's not about that. So you

452
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Speaker 8: have to give him a reason to leave the success

453
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Speaker 8: that Philadelphia traditionally has had, and they didn't make any

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Speaker 8: effort at all to do that.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's funny the pirates say they want to

456
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Speaker 1: spend more. They've certainly leaked that out there through the

457
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Speaker 1: baseball media and people are taking that at face value.

458
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Speaker 2: I am not.

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Speaker 1: I just don't believe it for a second until the

460
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Speaker 1: money is actually spent. But the naive thing is it's

461
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Speaker 1: not a one year process. You can't snap your fingers

462
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Speaker 1: and have credibility when it comes out to going and

463
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Speaker 1: getting guys like we're talking about, you got a lay foundation.

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Speaker 1: Maybe I don't know, signing some mid level free agents

465
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Speaker 1: having better roster than they do currently.

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Speaker 2: They say they want to do it, and even if

467
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Speaker 2: they are serious, it's tough to do.

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Speaker 7: It is hard, there's no doubt.

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Speaker 8: And that's why I said you have to do you

470
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Speaker 8: probably would have to go to an extreme. I mean this,

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Speaker 8: When the Cincinnati Red signed Joey Vado back around two

472
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Speaker 8: thousand and ten or eleven, I mean they gave him

473
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Speaker 8: ten years and two hundred and fifty million dollars and

474
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Speaker 8: that in those days, that was an unbelievable contract. I mean,

475
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Speaker 8: nobody would except for the very richest franchises, we're doing that,

476
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Speaker 8: and they committed Devado and he pretty much got to

477
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Speaker 8: the very end of that. But it didn't end up

478
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Speaker 8: paying off because after the first few years when they

479
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Speaker 8: had him, then they couldn't really afford or didn't afford

480
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Speaker 8: anything else beyond that, and weren't successful again with after

481
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Speaker 8: twenty thirteen. So you kind of have to if you

482
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Speaker 8: believe you've got schemes and the rest of this pitching

483
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Speaker 8: staff and you and you think you can roll the dice,

484
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Speaker 8: then you have to take a you have to take

485
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Speaker 8: a big swing at.

486
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Speaker 7: Someone like Schwarberg.

487
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Speaker 8: I'm not sure that you can bring in a couple of.

488
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Speaker 7: Mid level free agents and really move the needle. I mean,

489
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Speaker 7: you want to be better than you are.

490
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Speaker 8: But I think that this was an opportunity for them.

491
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Speaker 8: Uh and and it would have involved considerable risk because I.

492
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Speaker 7: Don't know how much longer he's gonna hit the ball

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Speaker 7: out of the park. I don't think that he's gonna

494
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Speaker 7: do it.

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Speaker 1: Wait has a theoretical opportunity though, Mike, because like like

496
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Speaker 1: I think we agree he was just never going to

497
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Speaker 1: come here period, and.

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Speaker 8: That he would have if they if they had overbid,

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Speaker 8: they would have had to overpay as like as using

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Speaker 8: the house analogy again, when you put it up at

501
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Speaker 8: a list price and there are multiple suitors. If you

502
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Speaker 8: really want the house and you can and you can

503
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Speaker 8: pull it off, then you.

504
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Speaker 7: Go over asking.

505
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Speaker 8: And that's what the Steelers, excuse me, the Pirates would

506
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Speaker 8: have had to do. They would have had to go

507
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Speaker 8: well over asking, as I said, maybe another year or

508
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Speaker 8: at minimum a year, a mutual year, where like I said,

509
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Speaker 8: if they got to the end of the five.

510
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Speaker 7: And he had pretty much been shot, then you say.

511
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Speaker 8: Okay, we're gonna pay you half of it to go

512
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Speaker 8: away and and that'll be that. And for him, that's

513
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Speaker 8: like the best you know, uh, that's the best scenario

514
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Speaker 8: because even he won, he can take the half what

515
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Speaker 8: that would have been I guess fifteen million dollars and

516
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Speaker 8: then still go out and see if somebody else wants

517
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Speaker 8: to sign him for less than that, or he can

518
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Speaker 8: just take the half and retire and it's a nice

519
00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:19,080
Speaker 8: going away present. You would have to do something like

520
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Speaker 8: that to get him. And could they have done that.

521
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Speaker 8: I think they could have. It would have hurt, but

522
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Speaker 8: they've made plenty of money being nonspenders over the years

523
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Speaker 8: that I think they could afford to do it.

524
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Speaker 2: Well.

525
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Speaker 1: Funny you say that, because Mark Cabally tweeted right away.

526
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Speaker 1: And I totally agree. If they were willing to give

527
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Speaker 1: Schwarbra one hundred and twenty million over the next four years,

528
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Speaker 1: then that money's there to be spent.

529
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Speaker 2: So spend it on somebody else.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean if somebody exactly who would be worth that,

531
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Speaker 8: I'm not sure. I mean, I know Pete Alonso got

532
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Speaker 8: signed today by Baltimore.

533
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Speaker 1: Well, maybe you spend it on two guys, Mike, just

534
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Speaker 1: the total sum needs to be.

535
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Speaker 2: Spent, Yeah, I mean I think you have to.

536
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Speaker 8: I think you have to do that to gain full credibility. Absolutely,

537
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Speaker 8: But you don't want to just throw it into the

538
00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:09,359
Speaker 8: toilet and say, look, we spent. I mean, you want

539
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Speaker 8: to get quality players who are going to make you better.

540
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Speaker 8: And I'll be frank, I mean I don't know the

541
00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:19,120
Speaker 8: field well enough to know whether those players are out

542
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Speaker 8: there that can make the Pirates better, but I know

543
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Speaker 8: this that whatever you spend, they can't.

544
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Speaker 7: Be much worse on offense.

545
00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:29,199
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then they go on sign a pitcher, they

546
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Speaker 1: sign a lefty setup guy, and people are overreacting to that,

547
00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:35,760
Speaker 1: and you.

548
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Speaker 2: Get what you pay for.

549
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Speaker 1: You only spend seven point seven million on a mic

550
00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:42,159
Speaker 1: and Soto. I mean let's say he's everything he can be.

551
00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:44,959
Speaker 1: How much does it move the needle? That's not what

552
00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:45,600
Speaker 1: they needed.

553
00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:49,760
Speaker 7: No, it makes you better. I mean it should.

554
00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:52,840
Speaker 8: I mean he has seventy strikeouts and sixty plus innings,

555
00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:56,080
Speaker 8: so he's obviously able to you know, to throw some heat.

556
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Speaker 8: So there's some value there, but it's this is just

557
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:03,080
Speaker 8: trying to make you a little better. They need, probably

558
00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:06,280
Speaker 8: to even have a chance to be competitive in the division.

559
00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:10,119
Speaker 8: At the top of the division, they need two significant bats. Uh,

560
00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:13,440
Speaker 8: guys who can who can hit the ball for if

561
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Speaker 8: not home run power, at least extra base power. Guys

562
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Speaker 8: who you know, who are gonna have significant ops's who are.

563
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Speaker 7: Gonna get on base those kinds of.

564
00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:27,200
Speaker 8: Things, and and and and hit hard, hit the ball

565
00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:30,720
Speaker 8: with enough authority that that they drive in runs and

566
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Speaker 8: create runs, et cetera. So I they need at least

567
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Speaker 8: two of those if they had been able, if they've

568
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Speaker 8: been willing to, I guess, go ahead and bring in Schwarber. Uh,

569
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Speaker 8: he's only one, and then maybe you get the other

570
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Speaker 8: one by promoting your your ace rookie.

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Speaker 7: Maybe you get the other one that way.

572
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Speaker 8: But there's no doubt that they need at least two

573
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Speaker 8: guys that can hit to make them better.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 1: I've read what you've written about this, Mike, but please

576
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Speaker 1: do reiterate for the listeners. Does Notre Dame have any

577
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Speaker 1: legitimacy at all in their complaint?

578
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Speaker 7: Well, I think that no.

579
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Speaker 8: I think the one legitimate complaint for Notre Dame is like,

580
00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:11,840
Speaker 8: these are young people that put a lot into this,

581
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Speaker 8: and you basically pulled a con on them, you know,

582
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Speaker 8: a three card money on them.

583
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Speaker 7: For the last five weeks. You said that they were.

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Speaker 8: Ahead of Miami, and and they, you know, inside they

585
00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:25,120
Speaker 8: maybe should have said, well, why are we ahead of Miami?

586
00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:25,960
Speaker 7: They beat us?

587
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Speaker 8: But if they're telling you that you're ahead anyway, and

588
00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:34,000
Speaker 8: nothing changes on either team's resume, that Notre Dame continue

589
00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:36,760
Speaker 8: to go out and beat bad teams badly, uh, And

590
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Speaker 8: Miami continued to go out and beat bad teams badly,

591
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Speaker 8: but didn't qualify for the ACC final and.

592
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Speaker 7: Therefore didn't earn an automatic bid.

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Speaker 8: So they basically had the same resumes at the end

594
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Speaker 8: that they had at the beginning of.

595
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Speaker 7: This public ranking process.

596
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Speaker 8: So from that standpoint, I think Notre Dame has a

597
00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:59,680
Speaker 8: right to be angered that that they're young people got

598
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:04,480
Speaker 8: fooled that way. But from the standpoint of the validity

599
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Speaker 8: of their case to be in the playoff, they have

600
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Speaker 8: nothing to stand on at all. They played two difficult,

601
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Speaker 8: highly difficult games against Miami and against Texas A and

602
00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:17,800
Speaker 8: M and lost them both. They played one maybe what

603
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Speaker 8: you'd call a light middleweight excuse me, a light heavyweight

604
00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:25,000
Speaker 8: in usc which was a home game, and then they

605
00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:28,000
Speaker 8: played a collection of some of the worst football teams

606
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Speaker 8: in America for the most part they played. They played

607
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Speaker 8: two teams Purdue in Arkansas that did not win a

608
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Speaker 8: conference game.

609
00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:38,560
Speaker 7: They played two more that only won one conference.

610
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Speaker 8: Game team their opponents were awful, and so yeah, you

611
00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:44,520
Speaker 8: went out and beat them all by a lot of points,

612
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Speaker 8: and look how good we looked, and we were clearly

613
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Speaker 8: ready to play in the playoff.

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Speaker 2: Well, no, because you.

615
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Speaker 8: Were playing teams that weren't anywhere near the playoff. Like

616
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Speaker 8: how badly you beat Boston College is not going to

617
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Speaker 8: translate to anything that you would be asked to do

618
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Speaker 8: in the playoff.

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Speaker 1: Mike, I've written a call, and I pretty much rewunted

620
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Speaker 1: every year that they should just take the top forty

621
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Speaker 1: four teams, divide them geographically into four divisions of eleven

622
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Speaker 1: play every team in your own division once, rotate Homan

623
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Speaker 1: away from year to year, and the top two finishers

624
00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:16,120
Speaker 1: in each go to the quarterfinals of a national playoff.

625
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Speaker 1: The four conference champions in the regular season are exactly

626
00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:22,640
Speaker 1: that the conference champion. Why won't they do that because

627
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:24,440
Speaker 1: it's perfectly sensible.

628
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:31,240
Speaker 8: Well, but it's economically detrimental to the Big ten in

629
00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:31,960
Speaker 8: the SEC.

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00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:33,240
Speaker 2: Okay, too bad for them.

631
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Speaker 1: I mean, are we talking about just two conferences or

632
00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:36,960
Speaker 1: what's right for college football?

633
00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:41,680
Speaker 8: Well, yeah, but you're telling people in the Big Ten

634
00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:45,720
Speaker 8: and SEC who are making whatever you know, let's say,

635
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:48,680
Speaker 8: let's use it in human terms. They're making one hundred

636
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:50,800
Speaker 8: thousand dollars a year. Well, now we're going to pay

637
00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:52,600
Speaker 8: you sixty that's what you're telling them.

638
00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:54,920
Speaker 1: I get it, but this has made me not watch

639
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:57,760
Speaker 1: college football at all, Mike, And I'm not kidding. Between

640
00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:01,040
Speaker 1: all the conference realignment, the NIL money, the transfer portal

641
00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:04,440
Speaker 1: allowing such free movement stuff like Blayne Kiffin, I'm just

642
00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:07,560
Speaker 1: not interested anymore, not at all.

643
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:08,560
Speaker 7: I understand that.

644
00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:11,320
Speaker 8: But I think the thing that has made me even

645
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:14,400
Speaker 8: more interested in college football is that it's not about

646
00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:17,720
Speaker 8: we think these teams are good. You win the ACC,

647
00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:19,680
Speaker 8: you get it, or the.

648
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:21,640
Speaker 7: SEC or the Big twelve or whatever.

649
00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:23,680
Speaker 8: I guess if you win the ACC with five losses,

650
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:24,480
Speaker 8: you're not getting in.

651
00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:25,800
Speaker 7: But if you win a.

652
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:29,960
Speaker 8: Major conference with a fairly respectable record, you get into

653
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:33,360
Speaker 8: the playoff. No one says, like they did to Florida

654
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:35,480
Speaker 8: State in twenty twenty three, we don't think you're any

655
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:38,400
Speaker 8: good anymore since you lost your quarterback. So even though

656
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:40,920
Speaker 8: you won every single game you played in a major conference,

657
00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:44,360
Speaker 8: we're not inviting you anyway. That stuff was nonsense. Now

658
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:48,040
Speaker 8: there are games that really matter to trying to get

659
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Speaker 8: into the playoff. And like, even though Virginia lost that

660
00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:54,840
Speaker 8: game on Saturday night, those last few minutes where they

661
00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:57,480
Speaker 8: came back and tied the game and forced overtime.

662
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Speaker 7: We're really compelling.

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Speaker 8: So it's more interested in college football now than I

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Speaker 8: was ten years ago.

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Speaker 1: Well to show you how I'm not, Mike, I didn't

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Speaker 1: even know Virginia played Saturday night. But as always you've

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Speaker 1: been you've been a beacon of light. We'll do it

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Speaker 1: again next week.

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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Speaker 7: That's great, Mark, Thanks.

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Speaker 2: That's Mike.

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Speaker 1: oh five to nine.

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