1 00:00:05,840 --> 00:00:11,040 Speaker 1: Bussure, what's wrong with this picture? 2 00:00:13,640 --> 00:00:17,320 Speaker 2: Leader fan Fan Radio Network. Many of us are frustrated 3 00:00:17,600 --> 00:00:24,760 Speaker 2: and k f A and dot com Three minutes are 4 00:00:24,800 --> 00:00:26,520 Speaker 2: you kidding me? Yeah? 5 00:00:26,560 --> 00:00:29,080 Speaker 1: Three minutes thirty two seconds past the hour three o'clock 6 00:00:29,200 --> 00:00:35,159 Speaker 1: central daylight, no Central Standard time, on a very special 7 00:00:35,320 --> 00:00:39,320 Speaker 1: edition of the Bumper to Bumper program on a do 8 00:00:39,400 --> 00:00:42,920 Speaker 1: we call it calm before the snow Nami? Might be 9 00:00:43,080 --> 00:00:45,400 Speaker 1: Thursday afternoon here in the Twin Cities of Minneapolis Saint Paul. 10 00:00:45,400 --> 00:00:46,960 Speaker 1: I don't think it's gonna get that bad this week. 11 00:00:47,000 --> 00:00:50,880 Speaker 1: And maybe some sleet, but I don't think any measurable 12 00:00:50,920 --> 00:00:51,440 Speaker 1: snow yet. 13 00:00:51,479 --> 00:00:54,240 Speaker 2: Now we're back in the fifties next week. Who to 14 00:00:54,360 --> 00:00:57,720 Speaker 2: funk it? You excited about fifties? I am for this 15 00:00:57,800 --> 00:00:59,360 Speaker 2: time of year. I take it as long as we 16 00:00:59,400 --> 00:01:01,200 Speaker 2: possibly can. Guards. He's the producer. 17 00:01:01,400 --> 00:01:05,840 Speaker 1: My name is Dan Barrero from Ringstaint Retch newspaper of 18 00:01:05,959 --> 00:01:08,760 Speaker 1: the Twin Cities. We're delighted you were along for the 19 00:01:08,800 --> 00:01:12,600 Speaker 1: three hour tour. Today we are out at six Thursday 20 00:01:12,640 --> 00:01:16,160 Speaker 1: regular Sean Salisbury Guards, he tells me, is not available 21 00:01:16,160 --> 00:01:17,800 Speaker 1: to us today, so he gets the week off, or 22 00:01:17,800 --> 00:01:18,600 Speaker 1: at least today off. 23 00:01:18,640 --> 00:01:20,440 Speaker 2: I maybe we can negotiate on tomorrow. 24 00:01:20,480 --> 00:01:27,039 Speaker 1: But in his stead, Guardy's guy alec Lewis from the 25 00:01:27,080 --> 00:01:30,160 Speaker 1: Athletic Covers the Minnesota Vikings, has joined us many times. 26 00:01:30,200 --> 00:01:32,880 Speaker 1: It's all over the Paul Allen project, especially on the 27 00:01:33,160 --> 00:01:36,840 Speaker 1: Friday Football Feast edition. A fellow owner of a Brozmer 28 00:01:36,840 --> 00:01:39,760 Speaker 1: Brownstone as well. I did not know that he loved. Yeah, 29 00:01:39,760 --> 00:01:42,000 Speaker 1: we we hang outsted heavily. We hang out in the 30 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:45,240 Speaker 1: Brosemur Brownstones community room a lot. So he scheduled for 31 00:01:45,280 --> 00:01:50,560 Speaker 1: five oh two. I believe you told me Russo radio. 32 00:01:50,680 --> 00:01:53,000 Speaker 2: Is what time? Four oh two? Four oh two? That's 33 00:01:53,040 --> 00:01:56,760 Speaker 2: unusual for him? It is he's road but not in Carolina. 34 00:01:56,920 --> 00:01:57,360 Speaker 2: Oh is it? 35 00:01:57,640 --> 00:01:59,720 Speaker 1: Is it something he'll be able to disclose? 36 00:02:00,240 --> 00:02:00,840 Speaker 2: I don't know. 37 00:02:01,120 --> 00:02:03,600 Speaker 1: Is it a scoop in make in the making so 38 00:02:03,640 --> 00:02:05,840 Speaker 1: that he can't talk about it until he I don't know. 39 00:02:05,880 --> 00:02:08,359 Speaker 1: It's an odd town for him to be in. Okay, 40 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:11,560 Speaker 1: that's all I am comfortable saying. Is right now outside 41 00:02:11,600 --> 00:02:14,200 Speaker 1: the state of Minnesota. Say that it is all right? Well, 42 00:02:14,240 --> 00:02:16,280 Speaker 1: we'll get to that maybe at four oh two, and 43 00:02:16,320 --> 00:02:18,600 Speaker 1: then let's do it maybe a mini version of the Inbox, 44 00:02:18,600 --> 00:02:20,600 Speaker 1: even though we're out at six o'clock tonight, Doctor Dan's 45 00:02:20,600 --> 00:02:25,200 Speaker 1: inbox at five thirty. Email Guardsy jg at k f 46 00:02:25,320 --> 00:02:31,200 Speaker 1: A N dot com. Jg at kfa N dot com. 47 00:02:31,720 --> 00:02:35,359 Speaker 1: What is wrong with this picture? And you're saying to 48 00:02:35,360 --> 00:02:36,679 Speaker 1: yourself with that you're gonna have You're gonna have to 49 00:02:36,720 --> 00:02:39,240 Speaker 1: narrow it down. There's a lot of things that are 50 00:02:39,240 --> 00:02:42,320 Speaker 1: wrong about a lot of pictures these days. But what 51 00:02:43,280 --> 00:02:50,200 Speaker 1: preytell picture are you referring to? Well, it's it's a 52 00:02:50,280 --> 00:02:56,119 Speaker 1: comment that got my attention. Do you remember DeMarcus Cousins 53 00:02:56,560 --> 00:02:59,600 Speaker 1: very well, a guy who I wanted us to draft, 54 00:02:59,680 --> 00:03:03,520 Speaker 1: even with his baggage. Yes, who did we take instead 55 00:03:03,560 --> 00:03:07,720 Speaker 1: of him? We took a safer players. Johnson, you're exactly right. 56 00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:12,280 Speaker 1: And Cousins it was a challenge. He was going to 57 00:03:12,280 --> 00:03:14,560 Speaker 1: be a challenge, but I said, that's why you pay 58 00:03:14,560 --> 00:03:16,919 Speaker 1: your coaches the big bucks. And he was extremely talented 59 00:03:16,960 --> 00:03:21,760 Speaker 1: player who had He had his high moments in the NBA, right, 60 00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:25,320 Speaker 1: he wasn't a consistent star in the league, I think 61 00:03:25,320 --> 00:03:27,440 Speaker 1: it's fair to say, and he did. He was exasperating. 62 00:03:27,480 --> 00:03:30,119 Speaker 1: Many coaches were frustrated by him and his approach. Don't 63 00:03:30,160 --> 00:03:32,839 Speaker 1: remember a lot of winning teams that he played for 64 00:03:32,919 --> 00:03:35,360 Speaker 1: that's true, that made deep runs. There was always the 65 00:03:35,440 --> 00:03:38,080 Speaker 1: question of, well, if you want to run a running offense, 66 00:03:38,920 --> 00:03:42,360 Speaker 1: good luck, because DeMarcus Cousins will be bringing up the rear. 67 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:44,160 Speaker 1: He's not going to be a part of that. But 68 00:03:45,240 --> 00:03:47,600 Speaker 1: a comment he made some of you may be aware. 69 00:03:47,720 --> 00:03:53,880 Speaker 1: In fact, there are probably some very intrigued Timberwolves fans 70 00:03:54,040 --> 00:03:58,720 Speaker 1: who are watching from afar the John Morant crisis play 71 00:03:58,760 --> 00:04:05,040 Speaker 1: out in Memphis, Tennessee. Yeah, he he was suspended for 72 00:04:05,120 --> 00:04:08,320 Speaker 1: one game. I believe did they go with the conduct 73 00:04:08,360 --> 00:04:11,200 Speaker 1: detrimental to the team. I don't remember what it was exactly, probably, 74 00:04:11,240 --> 00:04:12,800 Speaker 1: but it was a battle between who and the head 75 00:04:12,800 --> 00:04:18,600 Speaker 1: coach and seemed to be some pretty good video out 76 00:04:18,600 --> 00:04:22,039 Speaker 1: of evidence offered up that in the previous game Morant 77 00:04:22,080 --> 00:04:26,640 Speaker 1: stopped playing that it was very clear that he's mad 78 00:04:26,680 --> 00:04:29,120 Speaker 1: about something, mad about the way he's being used, mad 79 00:04:29,160 --> 00:04:32,560 Speaker 1: about the coach, who knows, who knows what with with 80 00:04:32,560 --> 00:04:38,719 Speaker 1: with job. Morant and Cousins was on a well I 81 00:04:38,720 --> 00:04:41,200 Speaker 1: guess this technically isn't really a podcast. This is something 82 00:04:41,279 --> 00:04:44,159 Speaker 1: called are you familiar with Run It Back? 83 00:04:44,400 --> 00:04:47,320 Speaker 2: TV? Yes? Run it Oh you are? 84 00:04:47,560 --> 00:04:50,400 Speaker 1: I mean I've seen clips from it before Okay, yeah, 85 00:04:50,560 --> 00:04:51,839 Speaker 1: run it back TV? 86 00:04:52,040 --> 00:04:55,040 Speaker 2: What do you is it cover? Does it cover all sports? 87 00:04:55,080 --> 00:04:55,760 Speaker 2: Is that? I don't know? 88 00:04:55,880 --> 00:04:58,880 Speaker 1: Okay, but it's a regular show, I guess, okay, I 89 00:04:58,920 --> 00:05:01,599 Speaker 1: mean I've seen it online and so run It back TV? 90 00:05:02,320 --> 00:05:05,920 Speaker 1: And he ran it back regarding the he and whoever 91 00:05:05,920 --> 00:05:11,760 Speaker 1: else he was on with the Ja Morant crisis or saga, 92 00:05:11,800 --> 00:05:17,599 Speaker 1: however you want to describe it, and he, like many 93 00:05:18,080 --> 00:05:21,160 Speaker 1: are saying that no matter what, Memphis is saying publicly 94 00:05:21,240 --> 00:05:23,720 Speaker 1: that we want to stay invested in our two really 95 00:05:23,760 --> 00:05:29,960 Speaker 1: good players and build around them. That it's inevitable that 96 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:31,760 Speaker 1: they're going to at some point have to cut their 97 00:05:31,800 --> 00:05:35,880 Speaker 1: losses and make the best deal available for John Morant, 98 00:05:35,880 --> 00:05:39,560 Speaker 1: who will elicit and attract interest because he's a very 99 00:05:39,600 --> 00:05:44,680 Speaker 1: talented individual, very explosive player, and there'll be that belief, 100 00:05:45,200 --> 00:05:49,279 Speaker 1: that arrogance that we can connect with them. We know 101 00:05:49,320 --> 00:05:50,800 Speaker 1: what we're doing, we know how to get the best 102 00:05:50,839 --> 00:05:53,240 Speaker 1: out of that kind of player. And by the way, 103 00:05:54,400 --> 00:06:00,440 Speaker 1: they're a Minnesota semperbrals fans who said, oh yeah, why 104 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:04,880 Speaker 1: I talk about an explosive backcourt that would be it 105 00:06:04,960 --> 00:06:09,839 Speaker 1: Anthony Edwards and John Morant, Are you kidding me? But 106 00:06:09,920 --> 00:06:12,680 Speaker 1: we'll get to that part of it a little later, 107 00:06:12,760 --> 00:06:16,960 Speaker 1: or perhaps even another day. What fascinated me was the 108 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:20,839 Speaker 1: specific comment by DeMarcus Cousins. It's time to move on. 109 00:06:21,040 --> 00:06:23,120 Speaker 1: He says, the ship has sailed. I think the Grizzlies 110 00:06:23,120 --> 00:06:26,160 Speaker 1: have made their decision on who they're siding with when 111 00:06:26,200 --> 00:06:30,159 Speaker 1: they decided to suspend John Moran. Obviously they're siding with 112 00:06:30,440 --> 00:06:34,120 Speaker 1: the coaching staff. He goes on to say, this was 113 00:06:34,120 --> 00:06:37,920 Speaker 1: a coaching staff that was brought in with a militant 114 00:06:38,760 --> 00:06:43,040 Speaker 1: style of coaching. Doesn't blend well with everybody, doesn't blend 115 00:06:43,080 --> 00:06:47,240 Speaker 1: well with modern day basketball. That's something that's you know, 116 00:06:48,720 --> 00:06:54,760 Speaker 1: embraced overseas in the European League. They like the military 117 00:06:54,800 --> 00:06:58,880 Speaker 1: style because they also lack talent where we don't. So 118 00:06:58,960 --> 00:07:02,880 Speaker 1: they have to be more fundamental. Let me repeat that sentence. 119 00:07:03,480 --> 00:07:07,000 Speaker 1: So they have to be more fundamental. They have to 120 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:09,080 Speaker 1: be well coached to cover up in those other areas. 121 00:07:10,560 --> 00:07:12,640 Speaker 1: So this style of coaching combined with his modern day 122 00:07:12,640 --> 00:07:15,800 Speaker 1: basketball as a recipe for disaster, and they've shown it. 123 00:07:15,880 --> 00:07:17,520 Speaker 1: By the way, I can't even pronounce the name of 124 00:07:17,520 --> 00:07:21,400 Speaker 1: the Memphis coach. Yeah, who replaced the guy had been 125 00:07:21,400 --> 00:07:23,880 Speaker 1: there for a while Taylor Jenks Taylor Jenkins. 126 00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:26,360 Speaker 2: Who a lot of people I don't know if. 127 00:07:26,280 --> 00:07:27,560 Speaker 1: You ever want to coach the Year Award, but a 128 00:07:27,600 --> 00:07:29,400 Speaker 1: lot of people thought he was a damn good coach. 129 00:07:29,560 --> 00:07:31,520 Speaker 2: They had a good thing going. They knocked us out 130 00:07:31,560 --> 00:07:32,160 Speaker 2: of the playoffs. 131 00:07:32,160 --> 00:07:34,280 Speaker 1: And I don't know who was responsible for, you know, 132 00:07:35,240 --> 00:07:37,800 Speaker 1: them making that move, whether it was the players of Quiton, 133 00:07:37,880 --> 00:07:39,680 Speaker 1: Taylor Jenkins, or whatever the case may be. I'm not 134 00:07:39,720 --> 00:07:43,520 Speaker 1: here to necessarily defend this particular coach. Let's call him 135 00:07:43,640 --> 00:07:50,040 Speaker 1: frank Iola's brother Thomas, because it's looks like, okay, he's Scandinavian? 136 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:53,960 Speaker 1: Is he? He thought he was Scandinavian could be whatever 137 00:07:54,520 --> 00:07:58,600 Speaker 1: the moral of the story when I say what's wrong 138 00:07:58,640 --> 00:07:59,360 Speaker 1: with this picture? 139 00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:02,400 Speaker 2: Is there any chance and I don't know. 140 00:08:02,360 --> 00:08:05,560 Speaker 1: Who else was on the on the show with with cousins, 141 00:08:06,840 --> 00:08:09,840 Speaker 1: if was there any chance that anybody could have played 142 00:08:09,840 --> 00:08:13,120 Speaker 1: Devil's advocate with him? Maybe somebody did and I don't 143 00:08:13,120 --> 00:08:18,480 Speaker 1: know it. And say, DeMarcus, you know we beating a 144 00:08:18,480 --> 00:08:22,840 Speaker 1: little too dismissive of the European approach. 145 00:08:24,520 --> 00:08:27,880 Speaker 2: Cheat. How far back do we have to. 146 00:08:27,760 --> 00:08:32,240 Speaker 1: Go in National Basketball Association history to find an MVP 147 00:08:33,280 --> 00:08:37,920 Speaker 1: who didn't come from either Europe or overseas and played. 148 00:08:38,440 --> 00:08:40,320 Speaker 2: Many of them played in the. 149 00:08:40,240 --> 00:08:45,160 Speaker 1: System that he seems to malign, that he seems to 150 00:08:45,320 --> 00:08:51,240 Speaker 1: look down upon and condemn. The dirty little secret de 151 00:08:51,360 --> 00:08:58,600 Speaker 1: Marcus is that the best American players I can name 152 00:08:58,640 --> 00:09:01,360 Speaker 1: a few if you'd like, well, start with Michael Jordan. 153 00:09:04,520 --> 00:09:12,439 Speaker 1: We're not only talented, but astonishingly fundamental in the way 154 00:09:12,480 --> 00:09:17,240 Speaker 1: they played. That was the lethal combination that made Jordan 155 00:09:17,400 --> 00:09:20,240 Speaker 1: the best player in the history of the world. He 156 00:09:20,360 --> 00:09:27,559 Speaker 1: had ridiculous explosiveness, but he covered all the bases, footwork, 157 00:09:27,679 --> 00:09:31,480 Speaker 1: extraordinary right, knew how to move without the ball, the 158 00:09:31,520 --> 00:09:40,600 Speaker 1: whole bit. So if the cousin's mentality is one that 159 00:09:40,679 --> 00:09:43,880 Speaker 1: a lot of former players abide by and agree with, 160 00:09:44,520 --> 00:09:46,520 Speaker 1: they need to take a long, hard look at themselves 161 00:09:48,320 --> 00:09:55,600 Speaker 1: and consider the possibility that what he is maligning as 162 00:09:55,640 --> 00:10:02,280 Speaker 1: somehow deficient or unnecessary is exactly what you could say 163 00:10:02,720 --> 00:10:08,120 Speaker 1: au basketball in the United States of America needs more of. 164 00:10:08,520 --> 00:10:11,440 Speaker 1: Now am I saying when when he says militaristic? What's 165 00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:14,520 Speaker 1: he suggesting like that the coach is spanking players with 166 00:10:14,600 --> 00:10:16,960 Speaker 1: a ruler or a yardstick. You don't know what that 167 00:10:17,080 --> 00:10:20,000 Speaker 1: means exactly? I'm not here to say that players can 168 00:10:20,040 --> 00:10:25,240 Speaker 1: be abused. But it's so clueless a position to not 169 00:10:25,400 --> 00:10:30,440 Speaker 1: understand as he's saying it. What he's acknowledging. We don't 170 00:10:30,480 --> 00:10:33,040 Speaker 1: have to be fundamentally sound. Apparently American players don't have 171 00:10:33,080 --> 00:10:36,360 Speaker 1: to be as fundamentally sound well if to get the 172 00:10:36,400 --> 00:10:40,960 Speaker 1: best out of what they offer from a team standpoint, Hell, 173 00:10:41,040 --> 00:10:44,800 Speaker 1: yes they do. That's part of what's missing and part 174 00:10:44,840 --> 00:10:48,839 Speaker 1: of what's attracted. Quite frankly, the NBA to players around 175 00:10:48,880 --> 00:10:51,160 Speaker 1: the world is exactly what he's demeaning. 176 00:10:51,280 --> 00:10:57,040 Speaker 2: Correct. It's growing up in a system that doesn't. 177 00:10:56,760 --> 00:11:00,280 Speaker 1: Just say, ah, he'll make up his lack of fundament metals. 178 00:11:00,280 --> 00:11:04,680 Speaker 1: He'll make up because he's so blessed athletically speaking. 179 00:11:04,720 --> 00:11:06,599 Speaker 2: Oh we lost a game at one, that's okay, we 180 00:11:06,679 --> 00:11:07,280 Speaker 2: got one at. 181 00:11:07,160 --> 00:11:11,600 Speaker 1: Three, exactly, That's exactly it. It's just you know, and again, 182 00:11:11,800 --> 00:11:14,640 Speaker 1: maybe somebody did push back on a lot of these shows. 183 00:11:14,640 --> 00:11:17,120 Speaker 1: There isn't any of that, I don't think so. I'd 184 00:11:17,160 --> 00:11:18,800 Speaker 1: be stunned if there was. 185 00:11:19,800 --> 00:11:20,680 Speaker 2: But in all. 186 00:11:20,600 --> 00:11:25,840 Speaker 1: Honesty, come on, I'm hoping that that's a minority position 187 00:11:26,200 --> 00:11:31,000 Speaker 1: among former players, and to hide behind that as because 188 00:11:31,040 --> 00:11:37,800 Speaker 1: in a sense he's he's leaving out the John Moran 189 00:11:37,880 --> 00:11:41,440 Speaker 1: resume off the court. He's conveniently forgetting all of that 190 00:11:41,559 --> 00:11:45,800 Speaker 1: stuff that's part of the story. It cannot be removed 191 00:11:45,800 --> 00:11:49,960 Speaker 1: from the story. And lately, if it's been less of that, 192 00:11:50,040 --> 00:11:51,760 Speaker 1: it's been he just hasn't been available as much. 193 00:11:51,760 --> 00:11:53,640 Speaker 2: He's been injured a decent amount, right. 194 00:11:54,440 --> 00:11:57,080 Speaker 1: And God bless who was a couple of the guys 195 00:11:57,080 --> 00:12:01,640 Speaker 1: in the NBC booth or an NBC slash peacock who 196 00:12:01,960 --> 00:12:04,680 Speaker 1: took him apart Morant and said, I don't know what's 197 00:12:04,720 --> 00:12:09,040 Speaker 1: going on there, but I'll just tell you was who's 198 00:12:09,040 --> 00:12:10,600 Speaker 1: the big man who used to be with the Clippers, 199 00:12:10,760 --> 00:12:15,400 Speaker 1: who's in all the commercials now Griffin And Griffin said, 200 00:12:15,480 --> 00:12:20,920 Speaker 1: you know, we're showing him on video here where he's 201 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:22,800 Speaker 1: passing the ball and then he's just sort of sitting 202 00:12:22,840 --> 00:12:25,480 Speaker 1: in the corner. A couple other plays in the other 203 00:12:25,600 --> 00:12:29,600 Speaker 1: end where he was just completely out of the defensive alignment. 204 00:12:29,600 --> 00:12:32,160 Speaker 1: He wasn't really doing much of anything, almost just waiting 205 00:12:32,160 --> 00:12:34,360 Speaker 1: for the ball to go back the other way. And 206 00:12:34,440 --> 00:12:37,400 Speaker 1: to his credit, he said, I don't know what's going 207 00:12:37,440 --> 00:12:41,800 Speaker 1: on there. He may think he's being wrong. He's supposed 208 00:12:41,800 --> 00:12:45,240 Speaker 1: to be one of the leaders of the team, and 209 00:12:45,559 --> 00:12:49,720 Speaker 1: that doesn't play or shouldn't play in NBA locker rooms. 210 00:12:50,480 --> 00:12:53,559 Speaker 1: I thought it was impressive. In fact, I think it's 211 00:12:53,600 --> 00:12:57,200 Speaker 1: a little bit of an example of the NBC approach. 212 00:12:57,320 --> 00:12:59,199 Speaker 1: I don't know if it's because of the individuals or 213 00:12:59,800 --> 00:13:02,640 Speaker 1: everybody's taking a long, hard look at anything everything. There's 214 00:13:02,679 --> 00:13:06,800 Speaker 1: not the automatic I've got to scratch the itch that 215 00:13:06,920 --> 00:13:10,200 Speaker 1: says the player is always right. I think there's a 216 00:13:10,200 --> 00:13:13,800 Speaker 1: lot of that on ESPN, and I think here it was, well, yeah, 217 00:13:13,840 --> 00:13:17,080 Speaker 1: sometimes the player might be right, but there may be 218 00:13:17,120 --> 00:13:18,040 Speaker 1: occasions where. 219 00:13:17,880 --> 00:13:18,839 Speaker 2: We can't leave out. 220 00:13:19,520 --> 00:13:21,960 Speaker 1: You're being paid to play in a game and you're 221 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:25,760 Speaker 1: not there that night. Whatever you think you're doing, you're 222 00:13:25,760 --> 00:13:29,120 Speaker 1: doing yourself a disservice, and you're doing your team a disservice. 223 00:13:29,160 --> 00:13:32,560 Speaker 1: And you're doing the young players. Because he's young, but 224 00:13:32,720 --> 00:13:34,640 Speaker 1: not as young as many of them. He's been around 225 00:13:34,640 --> 00:13:36,760 Speaker 1: long enough where he's supposed to be one of the 226 00:13:36,840 --> 00:13:41,720 Speaker 1: leaders of the club. So again, you know, we can 227 00:13:42,559 --> 00:13:45,600 Speaker 1: pound ourselves into submission about well, it's a different age 228 00:13:46,120 --> 00:13:47,560 Speaker 1: and the militaristic. 229 00:13:47,040 --> 00:13:48,720 Speaker 2: Stuff has to stop. 230 00:13:49,440 --> 00:13:53,840 Speaker 1: But to me, he's using a term to make it 231 00:13:53,880 --> 00:13:58,880 Speaker 1: seem more negative than it is because demanding fundamental work 232 00:14:00,160 --> 00:14:06,360 Speaker 1: and a fundamental approach from players to fit into a team, 233 00:14:06,559 --> 00:14:11,160 Speaker 1: not just be an individual. Ain't nothing militaristic about that 234 00:14:11,240 --> 00:14:14,280 Speaker 1: at all. It's too easy to I'm going to use 235 00:14:14,320 --> 00:14:18,280 Speaker 1: that term because it scares people like players are having 236 00:14:18,280 --> 00:14:22,400 Speaker 1: to deal with corporal punishment or something that's very different 237 00:14:22,520 --> 00:14:26,200 Speaker 1: than what we're talking about here, which is if indeed 238 00:14:26,240 --> 00:14:32,160 Speaker 1: it's considered militaristic to demand and insist upon young players 239 00:14:32,920 --> 00:14:35,400 Speaker 1: giving themselves the best chance to succeed, even if they 240 00:14:35,400 --> 00:14:38,720 Speaker 1: have great talent, by also being fundamentally sound, then we're doomed. 241 00:14:39,200 --> 00:14:41,000 Speaker 1: Then this game is doomed. So I'm going to hope 242 00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:45,080 Speaker 1: the cousin's position is a minority position the next time 243 00:14:45,120 --> 00:14:47,960 Speaker 1: we have Remind me, the next time we have Tom 244 00:14:48,040 --> 00:14:50,960 Speaker 1: crean on this is a perfect topic for him. It's 245 00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:53,400 Speaker 1: a perfect subject for him to delve into because he 246 00:14:53,440 --> 00:14:56,840 Speaker 1: pays attention to basketball everywhere. He's plugged in, not just 247 00:14:56,920 --> 00:14:59,400 Speaker 1: here but around the world. He understands what some of 248 00:14:59,440 --> 00:15:02,320 Speaker 1: those differences are, and I think it would I'd be 249 00:15:02,400 --> 00:15:04,520 Speaker 1: very curious to see what he has to say. By 250 00:15:04,520 --> 00:15:07,000 Speaker 1: the way, somebody said Lou Williams was on the podcast, 251 00:15:07,360 --> 00:15:09,960 Speaker 1: and he did push back, okay, and that he said 252 00:15:10,080 --> 00:15:13,520 Speaker 1: John Morant owe is the fan more than what he 253 00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:14,360 Speaker 1: was giving on the court. 254 00:15:14,400 --> 00:15:15,600 Speaker 2: So that's encouraging to hear. 255 00:15:15,680 --> 00:15:18,240 Speaker 1: Maybe maybe this is an age thing, but Cousins isn't 256 00:15:18,280 --> 00:15:21,080 Speaker 1: twenty two anymore either, So I don't know. But to 257 00:15:21,120 --> 00:15:25,080 Speaker 1: your point about is it a minority position, I don't 258 00:15:25,080 --> 00:15:28,400 Speaker 1: think so. I really don't think that it worries me. Yes, 259 00:15:28,480 --> 00:15:30,800 Speaker 1: but I think we've seen it. I just look at 260 00:15:30,840 --> 00:15:34,320 Speaker 1: the last ten or fifteen years. The players all have 261 00:15:34,400 --> 00:15:38,080 Speaker 1: the power right in the NBA. Yes, that's completely shifted. 262 00:15:38,120 --> 00:15:40,360 Speaker 1: It started fifteen years ago. We're in the play not 263 00:15:40,400 --> 00:15:45,840 Speaker 1: even close empowerment era, with maybe Miami as an exception 264 00:15:46,600 --> 00:15:49,720 Speaker 1: and San Antonio as an exception. Those might be the 265 00:15:49,760 --> 00:15:52,760 Speaker 1: only two I would say even there it is, there's 266 00:15:52,800 --> 00:15:54,880 Speaker 1: been slippage. Well, I would say, Jimmy Butler's playing in 267 00:15:54,880 --> 00:15:58,040 Speaker 1: Golden State exactly after just checking out exactly right right, 268 00:15:58,120 --> 00:16:02,280 Speaker 1: even they gave up, Even they a heat culture could 269 00:16:02,280 --> 00:16:07,720 Speaker 1: not withstand the Jimmy Butler era. But I do think 270 00:16:08,520 --> 00:16:10,000 Speaker 1: that's the Well, what are they going to do to me? 271 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:12,840 Speaker 1: I'm John Morant You know five years ago we were 272 00:16:12,840 --> 00:16:14,960 Speaker 1: a two seed I was an MVP candidate, I could 273 00:16:14,960 --> 00:16:15,880 Speaker 1: stay with a straight face. 274 00:16:15,920 --> 00:16:16,920 Speaker 2: I'm good with the West. 275 00:16:17,440 --> 00:16:19,160 Speaker 1: I don't need to worry about anybody in the West 276 00:16:19,200 --> 00:16:21,440 Speaker 1: because we're good there, which was idiotic at the time, 277 00:16:21,480 --> 00:16:25,600 Speaker 1: but yes, it's unfortunately, I think it is a prevalent 278 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:29,600 Speaker 1: thought for current players former players that worries me. I mean, 279 00:16:29,640 --> 00:16:33,080 Speaker 1: even look at the recluselessness of that comment. It's just 280 00:16:33,280 --> 00:16:35,520 Speaker 1: I know, what do you I mean, what are you doing? 281 00:16:35,600 --> 00:16:38,240 Speaker 1: What are you thinking about? Because that comes you know 282 00:16:38,280 --> 00:16:42,680 Speaker 1: what that's about. I reflexively always have to defend the player, 283 00:16:43,000 --> 00:16:46,480 Speaker 1: and again I have too, we have sometimes. I'm not 284 00:16:46,600 --> 00:16:50,359 Speaker 1: saying coaches are are bulletproof when it comes to criticism, 285 00:16:50,640 --> 00:16:51,360 Speaker 1: but it's just. 286 00:16:51,400 --> 00:16:53,280 Speaker 2: Too easy to turn it into that. 287 00:16:53,440 --> 00:16:58,160 Speaker 1: And as I said, I the sense I've had about 288 00:16:58,760 --> 00:17:00,800 Speaker 1: and this may be too early to any grand conclusions 289 00:17:00,840 --> 00:17:05,240 Speaker 1: about NBC and Prime, but their shows feel different now. 290 00:17:05,240 --> 00:17:07,560 Speaker 1: Maybe for me, some of it is they're just they're 291 00:17:07,600 --> 00:17:10,120 Speaker 1: more attractive, just because they're not the same old faces 292 00:17:10,760 --> 00:17:13,000 Speaker 1: in many cases, and so there's a newness to it 293 00:17:13,320 --> 00:17:15,200 Speaker 1: and that maybe I'll reach a point where I'll get 294 00:17:15,240 --> 00:17:18,280 Speaker 1: tired of them too. I don't know, but it feels 295 00:17:18,359 --> 00:17:21,240 Speaker 1: different in that regard. It feels a little more mature, 296 00:17:21,440 --> 00:17:25,360 Speaker 1: good in what I'm hearing. A couple of people are 297 00:17:25,400 --> 00:17:29,240 Speaker 1: texting on this. Can we acknowledge the Prime Basketball Crew 298 00:17:29,240 --> 00:17:31,720 Speaker 1: has added a much needed technical breakdown in NBA coverage 299 00:17:32,040 --> 00:17:33,600 Speaker 1: that other leagues have been doing for over a decade. 300 00:17:33,600 --> 00:17:36,320 Speaker 1: It just makes basketball more interesting to a casual viewer 301 00:17:36,400 --> 00:17:40,040 Speaker 1: like myself. This is from Atari bigbe Guy as well. 302 00:17:40,080 --> 00:17:42,719 Speaker 1: Prime and NBC getting NBA has been the best thing 303 00:17:42,760 --> 00:17:44,600 Speaker 1: to happen to hoops talking over a decade. I've learned 304 00:17:44,600 --> 00:17:47,960 Speaker 1: more listening to Blake and Dirk as in Novitski over 305 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:50,399 Speaker 1: two weeks, and I have listening to Steven a in 306 00:17:50,440 --> 00:17:54,280 Speaker 1: two decades, and I don't think they're too technical. The 307 00:17:54,359 --> 00:17:57,480 Speaker 1: other guy heard, which one is nat Steve nash On, 308 00:17:58,320 --> 00:17:59,080 Speaker 1: He's on one of them. 309 00:17:59,119 --> 00:18:01,120 Speaker 2: I think he's studio war shows. 310 00:18:01,160 --> 00:18:06,480 Speaker 1: At least I heard him being interviewed, not on you know, 311 00:18:06,760 --> 00:18:13,959 Speaker 1: the set, but interviewed previewing, and I was I was 312 00:18:14,000 --> 00:18:19,440 Speaker 1: fascinated by it. He was very interesting. He had angles 313 00:18:19,440 --> 00:18:21,240 Speaker 1: that we just don't hear all that much. 314 00:18:21,280 --> 00:18:22,880 Speaker 2: And again, you don't have. 315 00:18:22,800 --> 00:18:26,520 Speaker 1: To be hardcore to to be a hardcore basketball fan. 316 00:18:26,600 --> 00:18:29,040 Speaker 1: I think to enjoy some of those observations and some 317 00:18:29,119 --> 00:18:33,760 Speaker 1: of those opinions that just seem less conditioned to here's 318 00:18:33,840 --> 00:18:37,800 Speaker 1: what you have to do over the next seven minutes. 319 00:18:38,840 --> 00:18:41,520 Speaker 1: Somebody is going to have to say something preposterous if 320 00:18:41,520 --> 00:18:43,479 Speaker 1: the Pacers lose tonight, what does that mean? 321 00:18:43,560 --> 00:18:45,480 Speaker 2: Exactly it? And then the rest of you can debate it. 322 00:18:45,480 --> 00:18:48,240 Speaker 1: If one person says something stupid, then the rest which 323 00:18:48,280 --> 00:18:51,560 Speaker 1: is kind of wasted energy because we already have I mean, 324 00:18:51,680 --> 00:18:54,440 Speaker 1: Charles Barkley already is good about the Molotov cocktail approach, 325 00:18:54,440 --> 00:18:56,640 Speaker 1: and we enjoy that because it seems more authentic to them. 326 00:18:57,160 --> 00:19:00,480 Speaker 1: But I'm connecting two things that may not be, but 327 00:19:00,480 --> 00:19:03,320 Speaker 1: I think they are a little bit in that. I just, 328 00:19:03,880 --> 00:19:08,720 Speaker 1: like I said, Blake Griffin, it just came off so adult. 329 00:19:09,080 --> 00:19:11,760 Speaker 1: It wasn't like there was venom in his voice. It wasn't, 330 00:19:11,840 --> 00:19:14,639 Speaker 1: you know, like he was savaging morant, but he was 331 00:19:14,680 --> 00:19:18,560 Speaker 1: almost like bewilderment, like, I don't somebody's got to explain 332 00:19:18,600 --> 00:19:19,040 Speaker 1: this to me. 333 00:19:19,640 --> 00:19:21,560 Speaker 2: This doesn't add up. This isn't you know. 334 00:19:21,640 --> 00:19:24,239 Speaker 1: I've been in locker rooms, I've been around teams, and 335 00:19:24,280 --> 00:19:27,520 Speaker 1: I just I hope there's more of that thinking among 336 00:19:27,600 --> 00:19:31,240 Speaker 1: players as opposed to the DeMarcus Cousin's approach, because I 337 00:19:31,280 --> 00:19:35,720 Speaker 1: think there's there's something there and the idea we'll look 338 00:19:35,720 --> 00:19:36,000 Speaker 1: it up. 339 00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:37,760 Speaker 2: Here. Is it the. 340 00:19:37,760 --> 00:19:41,000 Speaker 1: Last seven I think it's the last seven most Valuable 341 00:19:41,040 --> 00:19:44,800 Speaker 1: Player Awards have been won probably by non Americans, right, 342 00:19:44,840 --> 00:19:46,919 Speaker 1: pretty sure? Now, some of that's you know, they got 343 00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:50,800 Speaker 1: great talent. They're unusually players, but many of them have 344 00:19:50,880 --> 00:19:53,400 Speaker 1: come up in different systems, have they? Not very much 345 00:19:53,440 --> 00:19:56,040 Speaker 1: so that everybody talks about We've talked about this with 346 00:19:56,040 --> 00:19:59,199 Speaker 1: with with Tim Conley, that they've even tried. They're trying 347 00:19:59,320 --> 00:20:01,760 Speaker 1: in the in the work he does with some of 348 00:20:01,760 --> 00:20:05,760 Speaker 1: the organizations he's attached to to try to nurture and encourage. 349 00:20:05,760 --> 00:20:07,600 Speaker 1: I don't know, do you call it the academy approach. 350 00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:09,959 Speaker 1: I don't know there's a name for it. Yeah, that 351 00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:13,320 Speaker 1: people are using to try to incorporate a little bit 352 00:20:13,359 --> 00:20:15,000 Speaker 1: more of that and to say, no, there's some stuff 353 00:20:15,680 --> 00:20:18,480 Speaker 1: we can do. The old war we invented basketball, we 354 00:20:18,520 --> 00:20:22,360 Speaker 1: were we have to explain ourselves to anybody. You can 355 00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:26,040 Speaker 1: go with that, But at some point you say, well, 356 00:20:26,119 --> 00:20:28,360 Speaker 1: let's look around a little bit and what is the 357 00:20:28,480 --> 00:20:32,679 Speaker 1: ongoing frustration that a lot of coaches talk about and 358 00:20:32,720 --> 00:20:38,080 Speaker 1: what do the MVP awards seem to indicate. Well, this 359 00:20:38,240 --> 00:20:41,960 Speaker 1: last year it was Shay Gilges, Alexander Yep, Joker the 360 00:20:42,040 --> 00:20:45,960 Speaker 1: year before that, Embiid in twenty twenty three, Joker in 361 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:51,359 Speaker 1: twenty two, Joker in twenty one, Greek freaking twenty Greek 362 00:20:51,359 --> 00:20:57,040 Speaker 1: freaking nineteen. James Harden is the last US born MVP. 363 00:20:57,200 --> 00:21:00,639 Speaker 1: Correct makes sense? Yeah, that's two thousand and eight. It's 364 00:21:00,680 --> 00:21:02,440 Speaker 1: a long time ago, A long time ago. Now, that 365 00:21:02,440 --> 00:21:06,480 Speaker 1: doesn't mean Jimmy Butler was on the Timberwolves that year. 366 00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:08,200 Speaker 1: That's how long ago that one. Come on, they played 367 00:21:08,280 --> 00:21:10,400 Speaker 1: MVP James Harden in the first run of the playoffs. 368 00:21:10,840 --> 00:21:13,880 Speaker 1: That's how long ago it was since an American born 369 00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:19,320 Speaker 1: player won the Most Valuable Player award. We should American 370 00:21:19,359 --> 00:21:22,280 Speaker 1: basketball should be insulted by that. They should be, but 371 00:21:22,320 --> 00:21:24,919 Speaker 1: they should take that personally, say sports in general, what 372 00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:25,480 Speaker 1: are we doing? 373 00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:25,840 Speaker 3: What? 374 00:21:25,960 --> 00:21:27,160 Speaker 2: What? What are we doing here? 375 00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:30,639 Speaker 1: We're gonna fall back on because well, yeah, they you know, 376 00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:33,320 Speaker 1: over there, they're not really that talented, so they got 377 00:21:33,359 --> 00:21:34,240 Speaker 1: to worry about fundamentals. 378 00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:35,920 Speaker 2: Over here, we'd have to worry about fundamentals. Why would 379 00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:37,119 Speaker 2: that ever matter, why would that ever be. 380 00:21:37,119 --> 00:21:40,919 Speaker 1: Important winning losing team In all honesty that it wouldn't 381 00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:43,879 Speaker 1: help John Morant if he was more consistent in a 382 00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:48,720 Speaker 1: fundamental sense, as gifted and explosive a player as he is, 383 00:21:48,760 --> 00:21:51,800 Speaker 1: a guy who was fearless, and that was a very it's. 384 00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:52,960 Speaker 2: A very attractive feature in him. 385 00:21:53,040 --> 00:21:54,480 Speaker 1: And by the way, for the record, I don't know 386 00:21:54,520 --> 00:21:57,119 Speaker 1: if you've talked about this on air, and we can 387 00:21:57,160 --> 00:22:00,680 Speaker 1: get into it again more later. I want part of them, 388 00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:06,080 Speaker 1: and I say that I hate saying it because there's 389 00:22:06,119 --> 00:22:08,480 Speaker 1: a I do have a sense that this might be 390 00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:13,879 Speaker 1: a year where Conley considers doing something drastic again, I know, 391 00:22:14,040 --> 00:22:17,520 Speaker 1: but I'm not sure. I'm not even sure that that's 392 00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:19,520 Speaker 1: a good fit, to be honest with you, with with 393 00:22:19,560 --> 00:22:22,399 Speaker 1: Anthony Edwards giving me how much he kind of needs 394 00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:25,280 Speaker 1: the ball, but I don't know. 395 00:22:25,320 --> 00:22:26,439 Speaker 2: I don't feel good about it. 396 00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:30,119 Speaker 1: I don't feel good even though it's it's not unprecedented. 397 00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:32,600 Speaker 1: I mean, look at I mean, Butler is the best 398 00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:35,480 Speaker 1: example he ends up. I mean, Golden State's one of 399 00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:38,919 Speaker 1: the most winning organizations, mature you could say, organizations in 400 00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:41,560 Speaker 1: some ways out there, and they said we'll take a 401 00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:44,880 Speaker 1: shot at him. Well, even if we know his history 402 00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:49,000 Speaker 1: and how it ends up going. But I would be 403 00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:52,920 Speaker 1: very wary of not even knowing what we'd have to 404 00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:55,119 Speaker 1: give up to get John Moran in this mix. 405 00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:55,440 Speaker 2: Yeah. 406 00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:57,840 Speaker 1: I thought about it for a long time. Yesterday when 407 00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:01,800 Speaker 1: it was reported that the Wolves were monitoring the situation, which, 408 00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:04,600 Speaker 1: by the way, they're all monitoring the situation, right, everybody 409 00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:07,440 Speaker 1: is like that, that's the term, so people go crazy. 410 00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:09,640 Speaker 1: I have that tweet sens me like seven times behind 411 00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:11,040 Speaker 1: my wolves buddies, like, what are we doing? 412 00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:13,840 Speaker 2: Are we monitoring? Yeah? They should be. What else is 413 00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:15,399 Speaker 2: Tim Conley doing? Right, I'm sure he's not. 414 00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:18,439 Speaker 1: That's what he should If Conley had an x account, 415 00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:20,719 Speaker 1: that's what he should tweet out. Yeah, just for the record, 416 00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:23,160 Speaker 1: we are not monitoring. Yeah, we don't, you know, because 417 00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:25,480 Speaker 1: it's so obvious they all have to monitor. Of course 418 00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:27,600 Speaker 1: they do, right, because that move wherever he goes, that 419 00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:29,520 Speaker 1: might create some type of domino or whatever. So I 420 00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:32,520 Speaker 1: thought about it for a while because he is jo 421 00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:35,280 Speaker 1: rant and but that's part of the reason. That's probably though, 422 00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:38,119 Speaker 1: why Cousins says what he says, because it is John Morant, 423 00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:40,840 Speaker 1: because there's nothing like talent. How many times have you 424 00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:42,919 Speaker 1: talked about that? And he's got that in spades. He 425 00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:45,280 Speaker 1: has no question. When he's going, he's going. And we 426 00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:47,280 Speaker 1: saw that firsthand whatever year that was in the first 427 00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:50,000 Speaker 1: round of the playoffs. But the more I thought about it, yeah, 428 00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:52,800 Speaker 1: I said, do we want Aunt with him? Because Aunt 429 00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:55,520 Speaker 1: still needs to be let along what he does, like 430 00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:58,760 Speaker 1: Curry is fine if Jimmy Butler does something crazy. Curry's 431 00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:01,280 Speaker 1: played with Draymond for two exactly right, there's nothing he 432 00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:03,520 Speaker 1: hasn't seen it all. He's going to figure all that out. 433 00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:06,560 Speaker 1: Steve Kurr the same deal. A cold cocking in tractice, 434 00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:09,440 Speaker 1: a punch to the face, exactly Yeah, he's still this guy. 435 00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:09,880 Speaker 2: Yeah. 436 00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:14,160 Speaker 1: And also it's blowing up the team yet again, which 437 00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:16,440 Speaker 1: I'm not completely because you have to give up Brandle 438 00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:19,800 Speaker 1: or Nas to make the money work one of those two. 439 00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:22,600 Speaker 2: And yeah, so I probably thought about it more than 440 00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:24,440 Speaker 2: I should have, but I came to the same conclusion 441 00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:24,760 Speaker 2: you did. 442 00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:26,639 Speaker 1: All right, let's pause and we'll get caught up. 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Tonight twenty five years ago, so November six 454 00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:41,080 Speaker 1: of two thousand, one of the most painful regular season finishes, 455 00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:48,240 Speaker 1: one of the most freakish of Minnesota Vikings finishes, took place. 456 00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:51,919 Speaker 2: Was it Monday Night Football? It was definitely Niking. 457 00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:55,560 Speaker 1: It was yeah, and it was in Green Bay, Wisconsin. 458 00:25:57,600 --> 00:26:04,160 Speaker 1: Al Michaels, Dan Fowl, Dennis Miller, Yeah, along with Melissa 459 00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:08,880 Speaker 1: Stark and Eric Dickerson, apparently with the sideline reporters on 460 00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:14,560 Speaker 1: the ABC TV coverage a game the Vikings lose in 461 00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:20,760 Speaker 1: overtime twenty six to twenty. I remember it like yesterday, 462 00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:22,520 Speaker 1: me too. Do you remember it well so you remember 463 00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:25,479 Speaker 1: exactly where I was watching it. Let's listen to the 464 00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:28,800 Speaker 1: game winning play. It'll bring back a lot of memories. 465 00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:34,000 Speaker 1: If you haven't figured it out already, Let's start. 466 00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:39,200 Speaker 3: Lays it up for Freeman and it's incomplete et or 467 00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:40,240 Speaker 3: did he. 468 00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:41,800 Speaker 2: Make the carts at the fiftheen what. 469 00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:42,560 Speaker 3: Are they get a round? 470 00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:44,400 Speaker 1: Did he cut it? Cutsack? 471 00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:49,919 Speaker 2: He did what? Reckless? 472 00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:52,800 Speaker 1: Right on? I hope oh. 473 00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:56,360 Speaker 3: Man Man not a dish but not an accepted Well, 474 00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:58,320 Speaker 3: the pickers are going wild. 475 00:26:58,000 --> 00:26:59,000 Speaker 1: The crowd's going. 476 00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:02,320 Speaker 3: Wild, and I imagine there's nothing to challenge. But they'll 477 00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:05,919 Speaker 3: have to look at it upstairs. Handtack, well, he's lamping. 478 00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:09,040 Speaker 3: But let's see what it shows in the replay. It 479 00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:12,440 Speaker 3: never hit the ground. It hit the back. 480 00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:17,240 Speaker 2: Of Antonio Freeman. Who are you going to bring the 481 00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:21,520 Speaker 2: ball up in the air and look off the ground. 482 00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:26,280 Speaker 3: What unbelievable awareness of where the ball is on his 483 00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:29,040 Speaker 3: running way on his pae co a touch bag. 484 00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:32,600 Speaker 2: Once again, we are reviewing the play on the field. 485 00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:42,320 Speaker 3: Ball went through Dishman's hands the ground. Well, they're trying 486 00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:44,880 Speaker 3: to bring the teams back onto the field if they 487 00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:47,640 Speaker 3: overturn it, but I haven't seen anything overturn it yet. 488 00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:51,080 Speaker 1: Now it's just a great flooky play for the pack 489 00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:51,879 Speaker 1: Tennis Montain. 490 00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:55,000 Speaker 3: Handtack hadn't even gotten over to the and then there's 491 00:27:55,040 --> 00:28:00,560 Speaker 3: no hot attack. Dishman didn't even tidy up forwards. 492 00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:02,760 Speaker 2: He just assumed that it hit the ground, rolling. 493 00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:04,760 Speaker 1: On the field, stands touchdown. 494 00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:08,440 Speaker 3: Pretty good call by the guys on the field. They 495 00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:14,199 Speaker 3: got it, right, I mean, that was impossible. It was 496 00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:14,840 Speaker 3: uh yeah. 497 00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:17,399 Speaker 1: It was Chris Dishman who was celebrating what looked to 498 00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:23,520 Speaker 1: be an incomplete pass. Meanwhile, Antonio Freeman finds the ball 499 00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:27,120 Speaker 1: on his body basically, hey, here's the ball, and then 500 00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:31,240 Speaker 1: kind of turns keeps it, you know, keeps his body 501 00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:36,080 Speaker 1: between the ball and the ground, and then saunters in. 502 00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:37,720 Speaker 1: It was ay ended up being a forty three yard 503 00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:41,760 Speaker 1: touchdown pass. Farv was the quarterback who threw it, and 504 00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:44,360 Speaker 1: that was the game winning drive. You know. T now 505 00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:48,800 Speaker 1: the Vikings did have. That was an eleven and five season, right, 506 00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:50,479 Speaker 1: That was an NFC title game. That was forty one 507 00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:53,880 Speaker 1: donuts season. Yes, so we had a really good regular 508 00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:56,400 Speaker 1: season despite that game. 509 00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:58,680 Speaker 2: But it was yeah. 510 00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:01,440 Speaker 1: I mean, as I recall, a lot of the conversation 511 00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:06,720 Speaker 1: was hammering Dishman for celebration, and you know that never 512 00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:07,560 Speaker 1: stops happening. 513 00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:12,320 Speaker 2: I was watching a bit of Who the Bears play? 514 00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:15,160 Speaker 1: Who'd they just come back and beat the Bengals and 515 00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:19,160 Speaker 1: I don't know who the defensive lineman was, but he 516 00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:27,600 Speaker 1: sacks the quarterback and starts celebrating, not noticing that the 517 00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:32,120 Speaker 1: ball has escaped the quarterback. Yeah, he's he's actually has 518 00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:33,640 Speaker 1: his back turned. 519 00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:34,080 Speaker 2: To the play. 520 00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:37,800 Speaker 1: So it it's some guys never get it. I mean, 521 00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:40,680 Speaker 1: the dufus factor is undefeated in that regard. This is 522 00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:43,840 Speaker 1: the defensive equivalent to the offensive player dropping the ball 523 00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:46,880 Speaker 1: right before they crossed the goal line, which still happens. 524 00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:50,120 Speaker 1: It happened this season somewhere in the NFL. Yeah, I 525 00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:54,200 Speaker 1: remember this one. Now. Imagine being so two thousand little guards, 526 00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:56,360 Speaker 1: having an eighteen year old high school senior. This is 527 00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:59,440 Speaker 1: my senior year, height of the rubidity. I'm coming off 528 00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:04,960 Speaker 1: of the ninth eight season and heartbreak, and imagine watching that, 529 00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:08,080 Speaker 1: waiting all day for Monday night football, watching that game 530 00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:10,800 Speaker 1: in your living room, and then having to go to 531 00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:12,520 Speaker 1: bed after that at the height of it. Like, I 532 00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:14,960 Speaker 1: don't think I slept that night because I just said, 533 00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:15,360 Speaker 1: how did that? 534 00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:17,000 Speaker 2: As how? Michael says he did? 535 00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:17,080 Speaker 3: What? 536 00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:19,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, And it's so a great call he was. He 537 00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:23,840 Speaker 1: nailed it. He nailed it. He's out Michaels. What really 538 00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:27,840 Speaker 1: just bothered me? Was the dishman part of it, where 539 00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:29,400 Speaker 1: first of all, the ball should have been picked off, 540 00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:31,760 Speaker 1: he should have intercepted it in the first place, bring 541 00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:34,400 Speaker 1: in the you know, hit your hand, man, hit your hand, 542 00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:39,840 Speaker 1: catch it, and then to immediately start celebrating, almost like 543 00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:42,800 Speaker 1: your Bears guy before the Hail Mary last year, and 544 00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:45,960 Speaker 1: not realizing the situation, and obviously you don't think that 545 00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:47,880 Speaker 1: that is ever going to happen to you, But just 546 00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:50,440 Speaker 1: stay in the play for one second longer you tap 547 00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:52,960 Speaker 1: him down, and then who knows what happens if he 548 00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:55,000 Speaker 1: catches it. They still probably kick a field goal, they 549 00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:57,040 Speaker 1: still might win, and all of that, but I just 550 00:30:57,080 --> 00:31:00,600 Speaker 1: remember being so annoyed by that, by the dishman part 551 00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:04,280 Speaker 1: of it. We started that season seven to zero and 552 00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:08,120 Speaker 1: then we got killed at Tampa Bay, Tampa Bay forty 553 00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:10,520 Speaker 1: one to thirteen, and then we were in Green Bay. 554 00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:12,000 Speaker 2: So we win that game. 555 00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:13,360 Speaker 1: We would have been eight and one as it was, 556 00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:15,040 Speaker 1: we were seven and two, but we still ended up 557 00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:18,800 Speaker 1: running away with the division end but didn't get the 558 00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:21,720 Speaker 1: eleven five. No, and I don't know if this mattered 559 00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:26,280 Speaker 1: because we did. I forgot this. We were eleven and 560 00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:30,040 Speaker 1: two and lost our last three. Yeah, it cost us 561 00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:33,640 Speaker 1: to number one. And that was back when we were 562 00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:38,040 Speaker 1: so desperate for defensive backs that we were asking receivers, hey, 563 00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:40,080 Speaker 1: you want to come over and be defensive backs. I mean, 564 00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:44,080 Speaker 1: that was an infamous period for that where we had 565 00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:49,560 Speaker 1: no answers. And so, yeah, we lost on December tenth 566 00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:52,920 Speaker 1: to the Rams forty to twenty nine at. 567 00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:53,880 Speaker 2: The TWA Dome. 568 00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:58,800 Speaker 1: We lost the rematch to the Packers thirty three to 569 00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:02,440 Speaker 1: twenty eight at the Dome, and then we lost our 570 00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:04,520 Speaker 1: final game of the season with the Coles thirty one ten. Now, 571 00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:06,280 Speaker 1: I don't know what, if anything, was at stake at 572 00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:08,680 Speaker 1: that point. Maybe it was already determined. I'm not sure 573 00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:12,800 Speaker 1: how we played that particular ball game. We were not 574 00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:15,440 Speaker 1: surgeon into the playoffs. No, we beat the Saints, right, 575 00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:17,320 Speaker 1: and because we'd still ended up getting a buy we 576 00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:20,080 Speaker 1: beat the Saints, crushed them, yes, and then had to 577 00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:22,600 Speaker 1: go to New York. And that was now and then 578 00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:26,240 Speaker 1: at where we learned they all understood, well who was Yeah, 579 00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:29,040 Speaker 1: we we had the receiver on Super Bowl Week. Basically 580 00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:34,120 Speaker 1: he was he was like a hair away from needing 581 00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:35,520 Speaker 1: like certain leg surgery. 582 00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:37,480 Speaker 2: He had the JJ McCarthy ankle injury. 583 00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:42,560 Speaker 1: But he basically said, we're playing the Vikings and that secondary, Yeah, 584 00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:45,640 Speaker 1: I'll play. Sean Payton was the offensive coordinator. That was 585 00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:47,600 Speaker 1: the story he told me. He said, Sean Payton came 586 00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:49,880 Speaker 1: in the training room and said their secondary sucks. We're 587 00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:52,400 Speaker 1: throwing at every play. Yeah, and he said, I hopped up. 588 00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:54,040 Speaker 1: I remember where we were at the Mall of America, 589 00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:58,520 Speaker 1: right by right by Smackshack and Little Tokyo. We beat 590 00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:01,960 Speaker 1: the Saints the Divisional thirty four to sixteen, and we 591 00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:06,880 Speaker 1: were despite the fact that we'd finished so badly. I 592 00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:08,800 Speaker 1: don't know it was if it was because of that game, 593 00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:11,400 Speaker 1: the Saints game, that everybody that the oddsmakers thought we 594 00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:13,280 Speaker 1: were fired. I think we were favored in New York. 595 00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:15,200 Speaker 1: The Giants weren't a great and the Giants were not 596 00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:19,480 Speaker 1: a great team. Yeah, but seventy nine, three and ten 597 00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:21,120 Speaker 1: fans felt otherwise. 598 00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:22,480 Speaker 2: They were there. I was there. 599 00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:25,520 Speaker 1: For for that one as uh as well. I'm pretty 600 00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:30,720 Speaker 1: sure so it was. It was calamitou. I mean, it's 601 00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:33,840 Speaker 1: a weird season, because again, they had a good record overall, 602 00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:36,640 Speaker 1: But what are you going to remember from that season? 603 00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:39,959 Speaker 1: Probably more than anything else, the clip we just played 604 00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:43,800 Speaker 1: and forty one donut. I mean, that's that's the painful 605 00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:46,680 Speaker 1: part about If that's what's going to end up happening, 606 00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:48,800 Speaker 1: you might might be better off not even making the 607 00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:52,560 Speaker 1: playoffs because it was such a route. That game, the 608 00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:56,440 Speaker 1: the NFC title game was over in almost no time, right. 609 00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:57,600 Speaker 2: I remember turning it off. 610 00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:01,120 Speaker 1: Think about that, an NFC Championship game with the Vikings 611 00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:04,520 Speaker 1: in it. I stopped watching to go do other things 612 00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:08,080 Speaker 1: as an eighteen year old super route. Somebody's reminding me 613 00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:11,200 Speaker 1: that was the Sirwanga season. Literally, that's true. I think 614 00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:14,320 Speaker 1: he was with Sirwanga was one of our DB's running 615 00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:17,440 Speaker 1: was it Robert Taate, Yes, who we said, stop, we 616 00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:20,200 Speaker 1: don't need any more ride receivers, some Randy Moss. We 617 00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:21,800 Speaker 1: need you to we need We're desperate. We got to 618 00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:24,160 Speaker 1: go go play secondary. I remember it was. Yeah, it 619 00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:26,400 Speaker 1: was not and I don't evenmember if we had a 620 00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:28,239 Speaker 1: bunch of injuries that year, but it was. It was 621 00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:30,680 Speaker 1: a secondary that just got shredded. 622 00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:31,279 Speaker 2: I mean it was. 623 00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:34,239 Speaker 1: It was not a professional secondary, which to a certain 624 00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:36,279 Speaker 1: extent probably wasn't very fair to the to the rest 625 00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:45,719 Speaker 1: of the team. By the way, Dante threw three interceptions. Yeah, 626 00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:49,120 Speaker 1: I think at two touchdown passes and three picks in 627 00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:53,400 Speaker 1: that calamitous Monday Night game that ended in overtime with 628 00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:55,200 Speaker 1: the miracle catch. 629 00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:57,759 Speaker 2: His first season as a starter, Is that right? Yeah, 630 00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:00,160 Speaker 2: that's right, that's true. That's true. Yeah, not that not 631 00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:02,400 Speaker 2: a bad debut season. And it's not at all. 632 00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:05,560 Speaker 1: No, not bad at all, that's for sure. So the 633 00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:10,720 Speaker 1: Asante Samuel Junior Tour. Our day is tomorrow, as I understand, 634 00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:16,840 Speaker 1: all right, Today it's the Panthers. No, it's let me 635 00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:22,120 Speaker 1: back up. Wednesday was the Panthers. Today's Thursday? Right, visiting 636 00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:30,640 Speaker 1: Green Bay today? US Tomorrow Niners, Monday Bears Tuesday. Bad planning, 637 00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:34,440 Speaker 1: it should be doing Packers, Vikings, Bears in a row 638 00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:39,560 Speaker 1: makes just you know, just flights. Yeah, and then Wednesday 639 00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:43,080 Speaker 1: Pittsburgh Steelers. So I haven't heard if how you know, 640 00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:47,680 Speaker 1: if we have an inside track, if he's if he's 641 00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:51,239 Speaker 1: a big fan of B flow, I assume. So it's money, yeah, right, 642 00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:55,600 Speaker 1: what you're willing to spend on what he represents and 643 00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:56,680 Speaker 1: and and how good he is. 644 00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:01,399 Speaker 2: Is the trade deadline passed? Yes, that was two days ago. 645 00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:05,080 Speaker 1: That's unfortunately true, because were you looking to acquire. No, 646 00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:07,560 Speaker 1: I no, so I'm looking to trade away. You wanted 647 00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:08,600 Speaker 1: to sell some pieces? 648 00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:15,520 Speaker 2: Yes, JJ McCarthy, what, Yes, you don't like the alter ego? 649 00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:20,560 Speaker 1: Oh God, make it stop, people, please, If we're gonna 650 00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:22,080 Speaker 1: if that's what we're gonna have to put up with? 651 00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:30,600 Speaker 1: What now three games into his professional career, his alter 652 00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:34,400 Speaker 1: egos and intangils like no one else has ever done it, 653 00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:40,399 Speaker 1: and fury and anger, and I mean, seriously, why are 654 00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:42,080 Speaker 1: we trying so hard? 655 00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:45,280 Speaker 2: It's it's too The guy who. 656 00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:49,239 Speaker 1: Had the best comment, I don't think he was attempting 657 00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:51,239 Speaker 1: to to sort of put cold water on it, but 658 00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:53,399 Speaker 1: he kind of did in his own way. 659 00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:58,600 Speaker 2: Was JJ. Did you see the JJ quote? So I 660 00:36:58,600 --> 00:36:59,839 Speaker 2: can find it. I don't think I did. 661 00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:04,480 Speaker 1: So he agrees, He says, oh, I like the nine 662 00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:07,239 Speaker 1: alter ego. Right, he calls himself in other words, the 663 00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:09,520 Speaker 1: player on game day, that's his number. And it's like 664 00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:12,560 Speaker 1: he's he turns into a different person, right, He's not Jjin. 665 00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:16,400 Speaker 1: He's not like Justin. Jefferson is not Justin. He's Jets. 666 00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:19,040 Speaker 1: Well that's part of the quote. Yeah, I mean I 667 00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:22,880 Speaker 1: feel like everyone has it. Everyone has to have that ego. 668 00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:25,640 Speaker 1: I mean I feel like, especially on this team, they 669 00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:27,080 Speaker 1: have a lot of nice guys on this team and 670 00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:29,040 Speaker 1: great human beings. When we go out on that field, 671 00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:30,759 Speaker 1: we don't need any more nice guys. We need some 672 00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:33,520 Speaker 1: guys that are dogs and they scrap through anything. So 673 00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:36,160 Speaker 1: I feel like he has that dog mentality and he 674 00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:40,799 Speaker 1: knows that he got to turn on when he stepped 675 00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:47,120 Speaker 1: foot stepped foot on the field. Let's be honest about 676 00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:52,040 Speaker 1: this in all seriousness. I mean, the quarterbacks who've been 677 00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:57,080 Speaker 1: have turned themselves into all time great quarterbacks. I mean, 678 00:37:58,239 --> 00:38:05,440 Speaker 1: by definition, no matter what their personalities were, didn't they 679 00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:07,920 Speaker 1: have to turn into something else on game day? I mean, 680 00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:09,279 Speaker 1: I just I just. 681 00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:12,600 Speaker 2: Or were they always that person and they didn't have 682 00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:13,160 Speaker 2: to change? 683 00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:15,800 Speaker 1: Well that that maybe that's possible too, But I just 684 00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:19,839 Speaker 1: it's just weird, it's wearying. Let's make it more of 685 00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:22,920 Speaker 1: just about the performance. And there are some promising signs 686 00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:26,319 Speaker 1: in the performance. We all have acknowledged that and lauded that, 687 00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:33,799 Speaker 1: and and the idea that can we wait until he 688 00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:38,560 Speaker 1: has a substantive career before we get this is the 689 00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:40,000 Speaker 1: kind of stuff I associate with. 690 00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:42,320 Speaker 2: Well, he's close to retirement. 691 00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:44,640 Speaker 1: Now what do we what do we learn over the 692 00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:48,319 Speaker 1: years about the JJ McCarthy mentality. That's to me when 693 00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:51,120 Speaker 1: you can go with this big picture stuff and make 694 00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:54,040 Speaker 1: it seem like he had something burning in him like 695 00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:56,359 Speaker 1: no one else in the history of football ever did. 696 00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:00,319 Speaker 1: It's two over the top boys and girls. It's it's 697 00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:03,040 Speaker 1: a great angle. And you got to quote him because 698 00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:06,560 Speaker 1: he said it. But we're we're feeding the beast. I 699 00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:10,200 Speaker 1: think we are prompting the jackals are They're aroused by 700 00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:14,920 Speaker 1: this so much that And all I'm saying is, I 701 00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:19,480 Speaker 1: don't know if Joe Montana ever called himself sixteen, but 702 00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:22,080 Speaker 1: I was there for a lot of those games, man, 703 00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:27,320 Speaker 1: and and whatever what, whether whether he had the fifty 704 00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:30,399 Speaker 1: quotes that at any point in his career that JJ 705 00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:36,720 Speaker 1: McCarthy did or not, he made the plays. So switch has. 706 00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:39,080 Speaker 2: To has to be flipped on any of these guys. 707 00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:43,680 Speaker 1: And JJ's not wrong that that's probably as true of 708 00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:48,400 Speaker 1: being a linebacker or an edge rusher or in his 709 00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:51,760 Speaker 1: in their own way, an offensive lineman as a quarterback, 710 00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:53,600 Speaker 1: even though we all know there's more responsibility for the 711 00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:54,480 Speaker 1: quarterback position. 712 00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:58,640 Speaker 2: The nice guy thing. I mean, do you want guys 713 00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:00,399 Speaker 2: who play with an edge? Yes? 714 00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:01,080 Speaker 1: I do. 715 00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:01,839 Speaker 2: I always have. 716 00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:08,239 Speaker 1: But ultimately the determination on that is edge is less 717 00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:11,279 Speaker 1: important than performance. 718 00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:14,120 Speaker 2: And if you're a person who knows their. 719 00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:16,759 Speaker 1: Own personality and says, well, that's how I get the 720 00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:18,600 Speaker 1: best out of myself, I'll respect that. 721 00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:19,680 Speaker 2: I have no problem with that. 722 00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:23,200 Speaker 1: But we're just we're just fast forwarding so quick on 723 00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:25,319 Speaker 1: so little evidence at this point. 724 00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:25,880 Speaker 2: And I get it. 725 00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:28,600 Speaker 1: At every level he won high school, I think he did. 726 00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:30,880 Speaker 1: He lose four games if that, No, I think he 727 00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:34,200 Speaker 1: lost between high school and college four games. Yeah, you know, 728 00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:39,680 Speaker 1: he the ind factor I think probably exists in him, 729 00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:41,960 Speaker 1: or there's signs of it. But we got to see 730 00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:44,440 Speaker 1: it play out just a little bit, don't we. I 731 00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:47,759 Speaker 1: would think, did you when you were did you? Well, 732 00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:49,279 Speaker 1: you didn't have to if you're a tennis player, you 733 00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:50,880 Speaker 1: didn't have to have a number. I was just wondering 734 00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:54,480 Speaker 1: if you did you did? Did did prime tennis guards? 735 00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:57,920 Speaker 1: He have an alter ego when he got on the court, 736 00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:00,279 Speaker 1: went on the got on the clay courts, you know, 737 00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:03,839 Speaker 1: whatever the course. You know what, my number was number one? 738 00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:09,279 Speaker 1: Not according to the Pioneer Press. Pioneer Press didn't see 739 00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:11,120 Speaker 1: it that way. No, not for as long as they 740 00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:11,480 Speaker 1: should have. 741 00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:12,279 Speaker 2: Other people did. 742 00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:12,600 Speaker 3: No. 743 00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:17,080 Speaker 1: No, I didn't have an alter ego. Maybe I should have. 744 00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:19,799 Speaker 1: Maybe the pioneer press would have recognized it. I do 745 00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:22,640 Speaker 1: like though, when I see something and this isn't anything new, 746 00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:27,160 Speaker 1: When I see something said or tweeted or written, and 747 00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:28,480 Speaker 1: I just know that it's going to come up on 748 00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:30,520 Speaker 1: the show at some point, because because I can just 749 00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:34,640 Speaker 1: imagine you doing the slow burn, just the Larry David burn, 750 00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:36,880 Speaker 1: or just hear you muttering to yourself. 751 00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:38,920 Speaker 2: I've heard so many times. 752 00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:42,080 Speaker 1: Like sometimes you'll just say, oh, I you know, I 753 00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:44,080 Speaker 1: can just see that was one that was one of 754 00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:46,719 Speaker 1: the most recent example when nine came out, is this 755 00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:48,759 Speaker 1: is not going to go well. I can already tells 756 00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:51,600 Speaker 1: not gonna go nine because it might turn out that 757 00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:55,600 Speaker 1: he is nine and that his nine will be retired 758 00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:58,600 Speaker 1: at Yes Bank Stadium. But he's but the numbers immaterial. 759 00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:02,279 Speaker 1: Of course, he's still talking about this. You know this 760 00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:08,239 Speaker 1: alter ego. JJ's right. If you're gonna be a really 761 00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:12,279 Speaker 1: good football player, no matter the position, you have to 762 00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:17,080 Speaker 1: have that alter ego. There's nothing rational about putting yourself 763 00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:20,640 Speaker 1: through the paces to be to be a a a 764 00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:23,239 Speaker 1: Hall of Fame level football player, right, Nothing there's just 765 00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:23,879 Speaker 1: nothing to it. 766 00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:24,880 Speaker 2: All right, let's do this. 767 00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:30,000 Speaker 1: Wow, there's a cheap shot. I'll save that for later, 768 00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:34,080 Speaker 1: not for me, for jj actually not Jefferson, but McCarthy. 769 00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:36,080 Speaker 2: Hockey talk. Is that what's coming up next? 770 00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:36,319 Speaker 1: Yeah? 771 00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:37,040 Speaker 2: Nine? That's it? 772 00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:38,080 Speaker 1: So we're just is there? 773 00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:38,319 Speaker 2: Is that? 774 00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:39,919 Speaker 1: Everybody on the station just call him nine? 775 00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:40,080 Speaker 3: Now. 776 00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:43,600 Speaker 2: I think we have to, Yeah, I think we have to. 777 00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:48,280 Speaker 1: Who's the previous most famous nine in Viking's history? 778 00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:51,440 Speaker 2: Tommy Kramer probably wasn't he nine? Oh? 779 00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:54,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think he was. I don't think I'm remembering 780 00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:58,440 Speaker 1: many other nines. McMahon was nine, wasn't he? 781 00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:00,360 Speaker 2: Yeah? But he was barely here? Yeah I know. 782 00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:03,200 Speaker 1: I'm just saying, yeah, yeah it was. 783 00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:06,920 Speaker 2: It was. I should remember people that'd be a big one. 784 00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:07,960 Speaker 2: People here. 785 00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:11,560 Speaker 1: Bran inboxing correct me, very very true, Davey. Uh, let's 786 00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:13,080 Speaker 1: get a top of the hour break. Let's talk to 787 00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:17,239 Speaker 1: some punk Russo radio uh No Salisbury today. We do 788 00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:20,200 Speaker 1: have Alec Lewis in about one hour, and doctor Dan's 789 00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:20,879 Speaker 1: inbox at five