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Speaker 1: Actually, I should say only sixty six thousand and sixty

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Speaker 1: the Second didn't hear them. He was busy sticking his

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Speaker 2: No no, no, no, na na no no nana, boo boo.

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Speaker 1: As loud as he could, just to make the chance

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Speaker 1: go away. If you do that long enough, it's like

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Speaker 1: they never even happened. Tim Benson for Mark Madden. This

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Speaker 1: is the Wednesday edition of The Mark Madden Show. Lots

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Speaker 1: to get to, including Mike de Corsi coming up at

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Speaker 1: three thirty. I'm sure we'll go round and round about

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Speaker 1: Mike Tomlin and much much more. Mike from the Sporting

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Speaker 1: News as well as the Breakfast podcast. He does the

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Speaker 1: Friday Football Show with me on YouTube and Facebook Live.

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Speaker 1: You can check it out there. But people could have

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Speaker 1: been chanting Fire Tomlin through bullhorns in Rooney's face as

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Speaker 1: and he still wouldn't have paid attention to Rooney. Calls

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Speaker 1: for the dismissal of Mike Tomlin as the franchise as

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Speaker 1: head coach are the very definition of ambient noise. To Rooney,

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Speaker 1: you and me saying that Mike Tomlin should be fired,

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Speaker 1: in midtown Manhattan. He won't even notice. Customer dissatisfaction is

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Speaker 1: of no concern to Art Renny the Second, at least

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Speaker 1: not until it's reflected in repeated losing records or much

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Speaker 1: more importantly, profit unless Rudy shows somehow that he is

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Speaker 1: moved by the results in the field and the results

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Speaker 2: I just don't see that happening.

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Speaker 1: But the only thing that's going to affect him when

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Speaker 1: Tomlin will be ticket sales, merchandising, corporate sponsorships, organizational investment

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Speaker 1: from minority owners. If those things become marginalized by Tomlin's

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Speaker 1: respond to customer outrage. Short of that, it's like you

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Speaker 1: and me complaining to the gas company because our rates

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Speaker 2: Eight three, three, four one two ninety nine thirty nine.

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Speaker 2: That's the number to call.

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Speaker 1: If you are an outraged Steelers fan and you want

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Speaker 1: your voice to be heard on the Mike Tomlin front,

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Speaker 2: A phone line is open for you.

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Speaker 1: But Rooney sees Tomlin as the coach for life, not

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Speaker 1: just his own life, but probably Tomlins and yours too,

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Speaker 1: no matter how old you are. Let's be honest. If

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Speaker 1: the Steelers lose at least three of their next five

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Speaker 1: time since two thousand and three, that still won't make

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Speaker 1: Rooney pay attention. That narrative will then just shift from yeah,

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Speaker 1: but Mike Tomlin's never had a losing season to yeah,

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Speaker 1: aren't ruy. The second sees you and me as the problem,

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Speaker 1: not Tomlin. He sees complaining media members and grumbling fans

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Speaker 1: how good we've got it at six and six with

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Speaker 2: In case you haven't heard, we're not the Jets, we're

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Speaker 1: That's the new standard to measure the coach who coined

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Speaker 1: Immaculate Reception The Steelers also went twelve or fourteen seasons

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Speaker 1: Since the start of twenty seventeen is if it's some

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Speaker 1: for a Super Bowl trophy, which, by the way, is

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Speaker 1: almost seventeen years old. And just since we're gonna do

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Speaker 2: That's not a winning record.

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Speaker 1: The Steelers last playoff victory was five days before President

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Speaker 1: Trump's inauguration. The first time. Want some perspective, that's perspective.

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Speaker 1: A lot of stuff's happened since then. Art so shout,

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Speaker 1: fire Tomlin all you want. It'll make you feel better,

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Speaker 1: makes me feel better. Then I think about it, then

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Speaker 1: and that chant happens on national television a dozen times

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Speaker 1: over or so during the three days when the Steelers

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Speaker 2: And if fire Tom Win, Fire Tom Win.

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Speaker 1: Doesn't resonate for three straight days over twelve picks, try

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Speaker 1: for the other owner on the north shore again. Eight three, three, four, one, two,

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Speaker 1: ninety nine, thirty nine. Those are the numbers to call.

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Speaker 1: We're playing a lot of sound bites. Tom and I

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Speaker 2: Here's one I didn't get to.

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Speaker 1: I know Tom did yesterday, but it's Ian Rapaport of

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Speaker 3: Even discussing firing Mike Tomlin is completely ridiculous.

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Speaker 2: Now, yes, I heard the chance.

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Speaker 3: I understand that that is the reality for some Steelers fans.

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Speaker 3: But based on my understanding of the situation, let me

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Speaker 3: lay it out for you. Mike Tomlin is one of

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Speaker 2: He's a super Bowl champion.

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Speaker 3: They make the playoffs every year post consecutive non losing seasons.

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Speaker 1: Basically ever a lot to unpack there. First of all,

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Speaker 1: thanks for laid it out for us.

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Speaker 2: Ian.

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Speaker 1: I'm glad you could lay it out for us, because

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Speaker 1: a small minded folk here in Pittsburgh, we don't have

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Speaker 1: for us. Well, let me lay out something for you.

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Speaker 1: They don't make the playoffs every year, didn't make the

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Speaker 2: To back years.

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Speaker 1: In fact, in twelve and thirteen, didn't make the playoffs

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Speaker 2: What years am I skipping? How about twenty eighteen?

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Speaker 2: To choke that away. Did I lay it out for

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Speaker 2: you enough? Ian? Was that good enough?

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Speaker 1: And the whole notion of him getting a job the

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Speaker 1: go ahead, wonderful. That can't stop you from deciding to

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Speaker 1: make the move. Andy Reid got a job. Andy Reid's

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Speaker 1: you know it, you know how it's gonna go. Eventually

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Speaker 1: Tomlin will get let go, probably not this year, probably

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Speaker 1: not for another couple of years. But when they do,

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Speaker 1: the national reporters like Ian Rappaport will, I'll purse their

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Speaker 1: it as soon as they make their next hire and

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Speaker 1: talk about how great it is, and however that guy's

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Speaker 2: They will. You know it, I know it.

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Speaker 1: So that just rubbed me the wrong, Not that Rapaport

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Speaker 1: not thinking about fire him. That just dovetails exactly what

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Speaker 2: He's not going to pay attention.

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Speaker 1: So Rapaport was right about that, But the condescending nature

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Speaker 1: they make the playoffs every year, Well, no they don't,

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Speaker 1: and then what happens when they get into the playoffs?

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Speaker 1: Ian and how many teams make the playoffs? And every

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Speaker 2: But now it's seven.

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Speaker 1: So getting the playoffs ain't that big of a deal,

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Speaker 1: especially if you get pounded on the road and don't

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Speaker 2: Frequently do on the occasions that they do get in.

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Speaker 1: Want to play one other SoundBite if you missed it,

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Speaker 1: This is Ben Roethlisberger talking about the prospect of Mike

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Speaker 4: Give him a statue, do it, do whatever whatever you

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Speaker 4: it's it's like, Okay, it's time to find that next guy.

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Speaker 4: And who's that next guy that could that could be

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Speaker 5: I don't know this.

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Speaker 4: I haven't talked coach talking about it, but but I

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Speaker 4: think he might say, like, it's time for a fresh

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Speaker 4: when you know, like and now, do you think he

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Speaker 1: And that's the new narrative that's kind of being built

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Speaker 2: That's enough. You don't need to blow Mecy Nick calling

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Speaker 8: Hey Jim. I'm not sure if anybody else did this

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Speaker 9: Hey, Tim, good day, good day, Hey, I was calling

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Speaker 1: Mike de Corsi from The Sporting News next one oh

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Speaker 1: Our guest at this time is Mike Decursi from The

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Speaker 1: longtime supporter, a longtime backer, and someone who has tried

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Speaker 1: to see the forest through the trees with Tomlin. But

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Speaker 1: do we have a forest fire now? Can you no

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Speaker 1: longer do that?

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Speaker 5: Well?

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Speaker 10: No, I mean I still like, in general, think that

444
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Speaker 10: he is the right person for the job. But I

445
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Speaker 10: don't think that he's done well this year. I think

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Speaker 10: that's fairly obvious. Like let's let's say if you've got

447
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Speaker 10: sho hey Atani and sho Heeyatani has.

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Speaker 5: A year that's probably a big grand a comparison, But.

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Speaker 10: It's hard to think of a baseball player when you're

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Speaker 10: in Pittsburgh him.

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Speaker 2: So I hope you're not going to yah.

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Speaker 1: I hope you're not gonna try to make a baseball

453
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Speaker 1: analogy to Mike Tomlin and come up with Jack Sawinski.

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Speaker 2: That really might drive Mike out of town.

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Speaker 5: That would be very bad. I think that would then

456
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Speaker 5: it would be over.

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Speaker 4: I don't know.

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Speaker 10: Let's say you have Ellie daily Cruz and for a

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Speaker 10: year he hits two forty.

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Speaker 5: You don't give up on him.

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Speaker 10: You say, hey, come on, Ellie, let's go hit two

462
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Speaker 10: seventy five, what do you think?

463
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Speaker 5: And then you try to figure out how you do that?

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Speaker 10: And and so I think this is kind of at

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Speaker 10: this point right now, and there are another four or

466
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Speaker 10: five games left, five games left to try to get

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Speaker 10: it up, the batting average up.

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Speaker 5: But at this point, this is his two thirty five year.

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Speaker 10: This is them performing at a level that we've not

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Speaker 10: really seen.

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Speaker 5: And I think it's.

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Speaker 10: Like they go back to twenty twenty two when they

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Speaker 10: had the first Kenny Pickett year and they managed to

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Speaker 10: win nine games, and because there was a reliability to

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Speaker 10: their defense, even though there was nothing exceptional about the offense,

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Speaker 10: and they did miss the playoffs, they were in games

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Speaker 10: and they were and they were not discouraging to their

478
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Speaker 10: fans for that reason. But this defense is just so

479
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Speaker 10: inconsistent and so vexing.

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Speaker 5: That's it.

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Speaker 10: It becomes very difficult to embrace the team. Because they

482
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Speaker 10: have had good games, they've had solid games. They've had

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Speaker 10: games where they did one thing well and not necessarily

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Speaker 10: the other. They what they have rarely done is say

485
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Speaker 10: you're not running through us, and we'll figure it out

486
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Speaker 10: on offense, which is what they did a year ago.

487
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Speaker 10: I mean, they won two games last year without scoring

488
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Speaker 10: a touchdown, and they made changes, some changes on their

489
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Speaker 10: defense that were designed to make it better. Drafting Derek

490
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Speaker 10: harmon everything going fine there, but letting a Land and

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Speaker 10: Roberts go without any great explanation, and then making the

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Speaker 10: massive change at free safety, which you and I have

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Speaker 10: discussed on our show many times.

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Speaker 5: They've been calamitous. I mean two those two things have

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Speaker 5: been colored well.

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Speaker 1: The entire rebuilding of the secondary is blown up in

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Speaker 1: their face. I agree with you on that. I just

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Speaker 1: I think, Mike, if I'm going to use follow up

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Speaker 1: to your baseball analogy, I feel like they've been at

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Speaker 1: two thirty five more than just this year. Whether they're

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Speaker 1: six and eleven or eight nine and the non losing

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Speaker 1: streak finally comes to a halt this year, or even

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Speaker 1: if they're nine to eight and missed the playoffs, it

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Speaker 1: doesn't feel that different to me than starting out two

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Speaker 1: and six and finishing eight and eight or charting out.

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Speaker 10: Well, that was that was That was a long time ago,

507
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Speaker 10: and that was actually before a great run from twenty

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Speaker 10: fourteen to No.

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Speaker 2: No, no, I'm talking about the year that TJ. Watt

510
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Speaker 2: got hurt.

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Speaker 1: I'm talking a few years ago when they were two

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Speaker 1: and six and they rallied. I guess it might have

513
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Speaker 1: been nine and eight instead of eight and eight. But

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Speaker 1: whatever it was, that was.

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Speaker 10: That was the That was the That was the picket year.

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Speaker 10: And I think that was a much different year than

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Speaker 10: what you're seeing now because they were throwing Canny Pickett

518
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Speaker 10: out there and winning nine games. I mean, now they

519
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Speaker 10: bring in Aaron all.

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Speaker 1: Right, but there were seven two and one and they

521
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Speaker 1: they collapsed and missed the playoffs with Ben Roethlisberger and

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Speaker 1: a b at the height of his powers, you know,

523
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Speaker 1: like they they've done it both.

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Speaker 5: Twenty eighteen, the the the.

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Speaker 10: Fumbles and all of that out in Denver and yeah,

526
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Speaker 10: and the missfield goals. No, I mean that team, that

527
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Speaker 10: team makes the playoffs if Boz doesn't have his only

528
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Speaker 10: bad year. I mean, so, I just don't I see

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Speaker 10: this as being much different than than what we've been

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Speaker 10: exposed to.

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Speaker 2: Well do you see it being different?

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Speaker 1: Because it's hitting everybody that there's no way out. Like

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Speaker 1: part of the reason I was as frustrated as I

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Speaker 1: was with any one of these seasons we're debating right now,

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Speaker 1: Mike is I felt like they had a better chance

536
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Speaker 1: to win in those years. I had very low expectations

537
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Speaker 1: for this year because I feel like it's getting worse

538
00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:17,040
Speaker 1: and they're getting older and they're not backfilling. And that's

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Speaker 1: what feels haunting to me right now, the future as

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Speaker 1: much as the as the present.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, the difference is that if you go back to

542
00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:29,719
Speaker 10: the middle part of the prior decade, the offense was

543
00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:32,520
Speaker 10: starting to explode and you started to see Ben, like

544
00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:35,160
Speaker 10: at twenty fourteen, throw for five hundred yards in a game,

545
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Speaker 10: et cetera.

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Speaker 5: It was starting to really take off.

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Speaker 10: And it never came all the way to fruition because

548
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:46,160
Speaker 10: of injuries and such. But they were significant in those

549
00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:49,920
Speaker 10: years from twenty fourteen to twenty seventeen, and then they

550
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Speaker 10: were obviously rebuilding but managing because of a significant defense,

551
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Speaker 10: to be competitive when they shouldn't have been.

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Speaker 5: That That's what's what I think is too often missed.

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Speaker 5: Think about this.

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Speaker 10: Let's exempt this year from it. But from twenty one

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Speaker 10: to twenty four they have a winning season and a

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Speaker 10: couple of playoff years with the ghost of Ben Roethlisberger,

557
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Speaker 10: Kenny Pickett and Mitch Trubisky. Pickett, Trubisky and Mason Rudolph

558
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Speaker 10: and then you last year you had the ghost of

559
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Speaker 10: Russell Wilson, so like and they and they still won games.

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Speaker 10: This year you bring in Okay, so now you got

561
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Speaker 10: the ghost of Aaron Rodgers. And the offense is worse

562
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Speaker 10: and the defense is demonstrably worse. The changes they've made

563
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Speaker 10: to the defense have been calamitous.

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Speaker 5: That's what's different. Like if people talk about the age,

565
00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:45,040
Speaker 5: look around the defense.

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Speaker 10: Okay, so Cam's old, all right, TJ's kind of little

567
00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:50,080
Speaker 10: bit old, and of course.

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Speaker 5: In the back your strong safety is old. Most of

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Speaker 5: those guys are not that old. Most of the rest

570
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Speaker 5: of them are. Some of them are very young.

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Speaker 1: It's not a so that you don't keep them for

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Speaker 1: the rebuild, then, do you, Mike do you mean Mike Tomlin? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you don't keep him in the same regime in charge

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Speaker 1: for the rebuild, do you.

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Speaker 10: Well, I don't think that you're you're saying to see,

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Speaker 10: First of all, I don't believe in the word rebuild.

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Speaker 5: I don't believe in that. I believe what you know.

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Speaker 10: When the Penguins were struggling after twenty eighteen, there were

579
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Speaker 10: so many people in town saying, well, trade away Crosby

580
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Speaker 10: or trade away Malkin or trade away Latang.

581
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Speaker 5: And my solution has never been to trade the good players.

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Speaker 10: You keep the people that make you, that give you

583
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Speaker 10: a chance to be good, and then you build around it.

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Speaker 10: And so there's no reason in my mind why you

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Speaker 10: would say that one of the best coaches in the

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Speaker 10: history of the league, I mean, top fifteen, top twenty, whatever,

587
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Speaker 10: that is not the right person.

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Speaker 5: Now I have said before, and I said this on

589
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Speaker 5: the record.

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Speaker 10: I didn't have a platform like the Friday Football Show

591
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Speaker 10: a couple of years back, but I said on Twitter

592
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Speaker 10: that when they were making the offensive coordinate higher coordinator

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Speaker 10: hire subsequent to Matt Canada, that Mike should have only

594
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Speaker 10: this much input. Everybody else who's in power decides who

595
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Speaker 10: they want, and then Mike takes him to dinner and

596
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Speaker 10: sees if he can work with us. And you only

597
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Speaker 10: get to say no once anybody. If the first guy

598
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Speaker 10: is a no, then the next guy's getting hired, no

599
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Speaker 10: matter whether you enjoy yourself over your stake or not.

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Speaker 10: That would have been my approach to the last coordinator higher.

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Speaker 10: And he may say if you go in and say, okay,

602
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Speaker 10: you've got to make changes on your staff, he may

603
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Speaker 10: say I'm not doing that, And at that point then

604
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Speaker 10: maybe you have to move forward.

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Speaker 5: But I don't move on from somebody like.

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Speaker 10: This that's really good at what he does until until

607
00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:55,080
Speaker 10: he stops being really good at what he does. And

608
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Speaker 10: even this team has managed to be six and six

609
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Speaker 10: despite a defense that is is like the the old

610
00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:05,880
Speaker 10: cartoon where there's there's water coming out of the dam,

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Speaker 10: and so somebody puts a finger in it or a

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Speaker 10: hole a hand over it, and then the water starts

613
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Speaker 10: coming out the other side, and sooner or later you

614
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:13,840
Speaker 10: run out of hands.

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Speaker 5: That's the twenty twenty five Steelers.

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Speaker 2: Defense, Mike.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you saw what Ben Roethlisberger said

618
00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:22,720
Speaker 1: on his podcast, his video stream, if you heard it,

619
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Speaker 1: if you saw the quotes from not I'm trying to

620
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Speaker 1: figure out what I like better. The idea of building

621
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Speaker 1: Mike tom on a statue before they fire him, or

622
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Speaker 1: him taking over at Penn State.

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Speaker 2: Which one did you find more entertaining?

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Speaker 5: Oh, that's funny. I like that. That's good. It is

625
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:37,560
Speaker 5: very funny.

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Speaker 10: And you know, Penn State obviously has concerns about their

627
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:43,600
Speaker 10: coaching higher.

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Speaker 5: It's gone on a long time and a lot.

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Speaker 10: Of people are either committed to where they are or

630
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Speaker 10: going elsewhere.

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Speaker 5: So that's a that's a difficult situation.

632
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Speaker 10: But I don't think this necessarily needs to be Okay,

633
00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:03,720
Speaker 10: what I sometimes I'm kind of what bothers me about

634
00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:07,280
Speaker 10: this This sort of conversation is when people say that

635
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:11,040
Speaker 10: coach's voice has gotten steel, what they're really saying is,

636
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:13,960
Speaker 10: I really want to just yell at somebody else. I'm

637
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:16,280
Speaker 10: tired of yelling at this guy. He's not listening to

638
00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:18,400
Speaker 10: me anyway, so I'm tired of yelling at him. I

639
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:21,200
Speaker 10: want to yell at somebody else. I keep looking at

640
00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:25,800
Speaker 10: the teams that have moved on from significant NFL coaches.

641
00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:29,560
Speaker 10: New Orleans gets rid of Sean Payton, he goes, He

642
00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:30,520
Speaker 10: goes up to Denver.

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Speaker 5: They're now one of the.

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Speaker 10: Best teams in the league, and New Orleans is one

645
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:36,240
Speaker 10: of the worst teams in the league. Tennessee gets rid

646
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:39,040
Speaker 10: of Mike Rabel, he goes it, gets a job in

647
00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:41,440
Speaker 10: New England. They're one of the best teams in the league,

648
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:44,120
Speaker 10: and the Titans are definitively the worst team in the league.

649
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:47,720
Speaker 10: Miami gets rid of their coach and they bring in

650
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Speaker 10: Mike McDaniel, and he's going to be a genius and everything,

651
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:52,680
Speaker 10: and they're a mediocre at best team. So now I

652
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:55,680
Speaker 10: don't buy the idea that you need to move on

653
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:58,600
Speaker 10: from the coach. That doesn't mean that you sit back

654
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Speaker 10: and let the coach do whatever he wants to do.

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Speaker 5: Uh, he has bosses and they need to do their jobs.

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00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:07,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, And but it also doesn't mean that the new

657
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Speaker 1: coach coming in can't make it work. I mean, like

658
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Speaker 1: even though Rabel coached somewhere else, sure, but he's new

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Speaker 1: with the Patriots. They're eleven and two. Jacksonville's got a

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Speaker 1: first time coaching, Lee and Cohen. They're leading the South,

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Speaker 1: first time head coaching Demiico Ryans. The Texans are on

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Speaker 1: the verge of making it. Shane Steiken currently in a

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Speaker 1: playoff position with Indianapolis Ben Johnson nine and three atop

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Speaker 1: the NFC.

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Speaker 2: So, like, you know, I'm.

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Speaker 10: Glad you brought up Shane Steiken, Okay, because they were

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Speaker 10: ready to fire.

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Speaker 5: Him in Indianapolis.

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Speaker 10: Then they were ready to build the statue after nine

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Speaker 10: games or so, and now they're starting to think about

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Speaker 10: tearing the statue down before the even buildings and and well.

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Speaker 2: Then he should go to Penn State.

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Speaker 5: Obviously, yes, exactly. That's see.

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Speaker 10: That's the point is, Yeah, some guys have had a

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Speaker 10: good run, and the pieces are in place and all that,

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Speaker 10: maybe you can walk into a good situation.

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Speaker 5: But I don't.

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Speaker 10: Believe in in getting rid of a coach that I

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Speaker 10: believe continues to do his job effectively. I don't think

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Speaker 10: that they're having a peak year, and I think they

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Speaker 10: made some significant personnel errors and hit whatever input he

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Speaker 10: had into the trade of Mika Fitzpatrick, whatever input he

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Speaker 10: had into deciding to let a land and Roberts walk

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Speaker 10: for no reason and no money those and even I'll

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Speaker 10: even go to nause because if you're gonna sit here

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Speaker 10: and tell me that Jalen Warren can't be in every

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Speaker 10: down back and can't carry the ball twenty times a game,

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Speaker 10: then you should have paid nause Is the seven million

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Speaker 10: option and kept him.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because you don't believe in it, clearly.

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Speaker 10: I mean, a week ago, you're playing the thirtieth ranked

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Speaker 10: rush defense in the in the league, and I know

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Speaker 10: that Buffalo ganged up and showed you these all these

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Speaker 10: formations with the nine guys and all that, and they

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Speaker 10: didn't respect your pass game. So you thought, okay, well,

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Speaker 10: we'll we'll crank that out and we'll throw over the

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Speaker 10: top and we'll beat them. But you didn't rush against

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Speaker 10: the thirtieth best team in the league. You didn't run

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Speaker 10: for anything. And part of that was that you didn't

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Speaker 10: believe in your running back. Because they've Sunday wasn't the

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Speaker 10: only occasion they've consistently not shown any belief in Jalen

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Speaker 10: Warren as an every downrunner.

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Speaker 1: Well, clearly they've learned their lesson when it comes to

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Speaker 1: their personnel moves, as is evident by going out and

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Speaker 1: getting thirty five year old Adam Thielen.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, well, I you know, I don't have any problem

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Speaker 10: with that, and I'll tell you why, because you've got

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Speaker 10: salary cap money that's just sitting there collecting.

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Speaker 5: Interest I suppose not dust interest. At least money collects interest.

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Speaker 5: And so he's out there and you don't put anything

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Speaker 5: at risk by bringing him.

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Speaker 2: No, you're not risking anything. It's just it.

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Speaker 1: I'm rolling my eyes out it because it feels like

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Speaker 1: he's the wide receiver version of who just left cornerback

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Speaker 1: with Darius Slay.

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Speaker 5: You know it just it may be he's not done

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Speaker 5: anything this year.

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Speaker 10: He's only two years removed from a very significance season.

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Speaker 10: I think close to anything close to eighty catches. I

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Speaker 10: don't think that he's going to add anything. But but

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Speaker 10: like I said, you have zero to lose except the

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Speaker 10: interest on the money that was sitting in the bank.

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Speaker 1: Hey, real quick, Mike, I only got about forty five

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Speaker 1: seconds here, so I gotta make this quick. I know

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Speaker 1: you're really dialed into a lot of college circles. I

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Speaker 1: know primarily it's on the college basketball side, but what's

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Speaker 1: going on college football wise, particularly with the coaching situation.

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Speaker 1: It sounds like this Jimmy Sexton thing is real, particularly

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Speaker 1: as it relates to Penn State his influence over the

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Speaker 1: college coaching circles.

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Speaker 2: Can you talk to me about how that.

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Speaker 1: Works or what you're picking up in terms of the

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Speaker 1: influence of the agents when it comes to all this

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Speaker 1: coaching carousel stuff.

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Speaker 10: Well, the agents certainly have a ton of influence, and

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Speaker 10: they are able to get phenomenal deals for their clients.

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Speaker 10: I have a hard time believing that he would punish

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Speaker 10: his own clients by not allowing them to take one

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Speaker 10: of the most lucrative jobs and one of the most.

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Speaker 5: Most powerful jobs in college football.

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Speaker 10: That one, that one I have a hard time buying

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Speaker 10: that might he put it put them through it a

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Speaker 10: little bit because of what happened with with Franklin maybe,

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Speaker 10: But how how how are you the coach at whatever?

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Speaker 1: You well, if it's Georgia Tech, you know, like if

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Speaker 1: if it's the Georgia Tech guy and he's just getting

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Speaker 1: a lot more money for a coach and at a

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Speaker 1: place where he's winning and he's comfortable instead of going

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Speaker 1: to Penn State, Like, I don't think that's the worst.

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Speaker 1: I don't think that's doing wrong by your clients, you

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Speaker 1: know what I mean?

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Speaker 10: No, no, no, no, no, I mean that's that's his

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Speaker 10: job is to make him richer and happy where wherever

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Speaker 10: he wants to be.

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Speaker 5: And if and if.

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Speaker 10: He's happy at Georgia Tech and so and they're willing

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Speaker 10: to make him richer.

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Speaker 5: Then yeah, he's gonna do that every time. And and

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Speaker 5: he's great at it.

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Speaker 10: I mean, my goodness, he got big money, uh for Kiff.

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Speaker 10: And whether Kiffin had stayed at Ole Miss or gone

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Speaker 10: to Florida or ultimately as it turned out, Lsu, Mike

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Speaker 10: appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: I'll talk to you on Friday and the Friday Football.

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Speaker 5: Show sounds great. Tim all right, Mike.

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