WEBVTT - The Morning Show with Thom Brennaman -- 1/13/26 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:04.600 Now the financial information that just might change your life. 0:00:04.960 --> 0:00:09.160 This is the Bloomberg Money Minute on seven hundred WLW. 0:00:09.600 --> 0:00:11.920 Already it's time to say good morning once more to 0:00:12.080 --> 0:00:15.440 Denise Pelagreenie from the Bloomberg newsroom in New York City. 0:00:15.760 --> 0:00:20.200 Denis continuing drama on and on between President Trump and 0:00:20.400 --> 0:00:23.840 the FED, apparently now escalating a little bit more. 0:00:24.239 --> 0:00:27.760 Yeah, you know, when I watched that video that FED 0:00:27.800 --> 0:00:32.000 Chair J Powell posted on the FED website, it's Sunday night, 0:00:32.080 --> 0:00:35.800 it's just highly unusual and he I mean, this is 0:00:35.920 --> 0:00:40.080 just my interpretation, but he looked pretty uncomfortable. But at 0:00:40.120 --> 0:00:42.519 the same time, you had to know, or you had 0:00:42.520 --> 0:00:45.440 to assume that he wouldn't be doing that if he 0:00:45.479 --> 0:00:48.800 didn't have some support, maybe from some of the nation's 0:00:48.800 --> 0:00:51.520 banks who were maybe a little bit ticked off by 0:00:51.720 --> 0:00:56.040 President Trump saying that they should cut the interest rates 0:00:56.040 --> 0:00:58.960 on credit cards to ten percent for a year. But 0:00:59.040 --> 0:01:01.480 on top of that, we had to wonder if FED 0:01:01.520 --> 0:01:04.520 Chair J. Powell maybe had some international support or some 0:01:04.560 --> 0:01:09.319 domestic support from other policymakers. So now we're learning more 0:01:09.319 --> 0:01:11.640 about this because three former heads of the US Federal 0:01:11.680 --> 0:01:15.360 Reserve talked about Janet Yellen, Ben Bernanke Alan Greenspan all 0:01:15.440 --> 0:01:18.520 stepping out now and criticizing the criminal probe ordered by 0:01:18.520 --> 0:01:21.840 the Trump administration into the FED. They warned that investigation 0:01:22.040 --> 0:01:25.520 could further undermine the central banks independence, and we're hearing 0:01:25.600 --> 0:01:29.479 something similar from central bankers in Europe as well, talking 0:01:29.480 --> 0:01:33.479 about the EU and also the Bank of England. So 0:01:33.480 --> 0:01:36.920 it's going to maybe be more support for FED Chair 0:01:37.040 --> 0:01:41.120 J Powell in this standoff. That's just highly unusual. None 0:01:41.160 --> 0:01:42.679 of us have ever seen anything like this. 0:01:43.000 --> 0:01:47.000 Meanwhile, natural wine is skyrocketing popularity. 0:01:47.720 --> 0:01:51.280 Yeah, I mean natural wine natty wine as they like 0:01:51.360 --> 0:01:54.840 to call it. It features minimal intervention. There's no definition 0:01:54.960 --> 0:01:58.200 for this. It's not like it has to be certified organic, 0:01:58.280 --> 0:02:03.800 for example, but it does usually feature organic or biodynamic grapes, fewer, 0:02:03.840 --> 0:02:08.400 no synthetic chemicals, pesticides, and they use typically native yeasts 0:02:08.520 --> 0:02:11.520 for fermentation and few additives that you know the way 0:02:11.560 --> 0:02:14.919 they usually manipulate wine's taste with sugar, acid or tennins, 0:02:15.400 --> 0:02:17.480 so what you get is kind of a unique, earthy, 0:02:17.520 --> 0:02:21.800 funky flavor, and millennials and gen z apparently globally really 0:02:21.880 --> 0:02:24.359 like this stuff. In the US and elsewhere, the number 0:02:24.400 --> 0:02:27.560 of global spots now offering this natural or natty wine 0:02:27.960 --> 0:02:32.040 jump sixty percent to twenty twenty four from twenty twenty one, 0:02:32.040 --> 0:02:35.360 according to a front app But Paris is still the 0:02:35.400 --> 0:02:38.280 world's capital. So I guess if you want to appreciate 0:02:39.040 --> 0:02:41.640 you know, in its fullness, got to go to Paris. 0:02:41.720 --> 0:02:47.880 Darka well, um hardship, I know, yeah, right. Our futures 0:02:47.880 --> 0:02:48.679 this morning. 0:02:49.000 --> 0:02:53.200 Futures are lower. They're kind of close to session lows 0:02:53.200 --> 0:02:55.440 at least since I've been here. Dow futures now down 0:02:55.480 --> 0:02:58.959 one oh three s and P futures down by eight, 0:02:59.080 --> 0:03:01.600 Nasdaq futures down fifty two. We will be getting a 0:03:01.639 --> 0:03:04.280 report on inflation in just a few minutes. That'll be 0:03:04.440 --> 0:03:08.480 very closely watched. Also, we could could get a big 0:03:08.560 --> 0:03:11.000 ruling from the Supreme Court today on the legality of 0:03:11.040 --> 0:03:15.200 some of President Trump's tariffs. Not clear when that ruling 0:03:15.240 --> 0:03:17.000 is going to come out, but when it does happen, 0:03:17.040 --> 0:03:20.760 that could impact financial markets as well. President Trump is 0:03:20.840 --> 0:03:23.720 warning an adverse ruling for him could cause casts as 0:03:24.240 --> 0:03:26.160 companies kind of line up and say, Okay, if the 0:03:26.160 --> 0:03:28.359 tariffs weren't legal, I want the money I paid back. 0:03:28.400 --> 0:03:30.640 He says that would be impossible and to cause a 0:03:30.680 --> 0:03:33.680 lot of problems from Bloomberg. I'm Denise Pelgrine on news 0:03:33.760 --> 0:03:36.440 radio seven hundred WLW. 0:03:36.600 --> 0:03:38.560 All right, a pleasure to be joined by our legal 0:03:38.640 --> 0:03:41.680 lantist here on the Big One, seven hundred WLW, local 0:03:41.720 --> 0:03:44.920 attorney James Bogan and James. 0:03:44.920 --> 0:03:47.600 Good morning. Let's get right into a few things. 0:03:47.880 --> 0:03:49.680 We've got about ten minutes here and I want to 0:03:49.680 --> 0:03:52.440 cover a few Let's start with everything going on in 0:03:52.520 --> 0:03:56.560 Minneapolis with the protesters and so forth after the shooting 0:03:56.680 --> 0:03:59.160 of the woman. Let me ask you a question. Was 0:03:59.200 --> 0:04:01.480 Sheep breaking the law in any way? 0:04:03.160 --> 0:04:04.240 She absolutely was. 0:04:05.200 --> 0:04:08.840 She was disobeying lawful commands to get out of her car. First, 0:04:08.840 --> 0:04:12.680 she was blocking the street. And the thing is, you 0:04:12.760 --> 0:04:15.600 got people on the left saying, oh, she was exercising 0:04:15.640 --> 0:04:19.000 her right to free speech. The right to free speech 0:04:19.120 --> 0:04:22.400 only protects speech, not conduct. It doesn't give you the 0:04:22.480 --> 0:04:25.159 right to do physical things that break the law like 0:04:25.520 --> 0:04:29.840 blocking the street to block the ice agents or blocking 0:04:29.839 --> 0:04:33.120 the street period and then refusing to get out of 0:04:33.120 --> 0:04:36.040 the car when she was told to by the officers 0:04:36.279 --> 0:04:39.920 and then trying to drive off. So yeah, she absolutely 0:04:39.960 --> 0:04:42.559 did break the law. And if she hadn't been shot dead, 0:04:43.160 --> 0:04:44.919 she'd be facing criminal charges. 0:04:44.960 --> 0:04:45.679 She'd be. 0:04:47.120 --> 0:04:50.320 She could be charged with assault on a federal officer. 0:04:50.440 --> 0:04:54.120 And for to have an assault, you don't need actual contact. 0:04:54.800 --> 0:04:58.839 If the agent was put in reasonable fear of harm, which. 0:04:58.640 --> 0:04:59.640 I believe he was. 0:05:00.400 --> 0:05:02.440 It's like if you shoot at an officer and you 0:05:02.520 --> 0:05:06.000 miss because you know a vehicle, and since the vehicle 0:05:06.080 --> 0:05:09.479 is involved, which is legally considered a weapon, as you 0:05:09.520 --> 0:05:12.640 know from a certain murder case I'm handling in the news, ye, 0:05:14.120 --> 0:05:14.920 that is. 0:05:16.760 --> 0:05:17.560 That she could have. 0:05:17.560 --> 0:05:20.440 Been facing a significant prison sentence. 0:05:21.240 --> 0:05:24.280 Hey speaking of, And the case you're referring to you're 0:05:24.320 --> 0:05:27.200 involved with is the hint In case running over the 0:05:27.240 --> 0:05:31.880 sheriff's deputy up there in Clifton, killing him after he 0:05:31.920 --> 0:05:34.119 saw the video of his son who had been shot 0:05:34.200 --> 0:05:37.440 dead by a police officer. I made the comment earlier 0:05:37.480 --> 0:05:41.719 today James Bogan, attorney here in Cincinnati, that the old 0:05:41.760 --> 0:05:44.920 adage used to be crime doesn't pay. Apparently in Cincinnati, 0:05:44.960 --> 0:05:45.760 crime does pay. 0:05:47.240 --> 0:05:49.240 Well. I can't make any comment. 0:05:48.960 --> 0:05:52.320 On that, but ill, let's go back, let's do this, 0:05:52.400 --> 0:05:52.960 let's do this. 0:05:53.080 --> 0:05:56.000 Crime did pay when it comes to because I beg 0:05:56.040 --> 0:05:58.920 your pardon, of course, go back though to even the 0:05:58.920 --> 0:06:01.760 protesters in the summer of twenty twenty, they were just 0:06:01.839 --> 0:06:06.000 recently handed eight point one million dollars by the city. 0:06:06.279 --> 0:06:09.680 And again, like you're saying with the woman sadly who 0:06:09.720 --> 0:06:13.240 was shot and killed in Minnesota, those people were breaking 0:06:13.320 --> 0:06:15.040 the law. 0:06:15.600 --> 0:06:17.560 Yeah, they were staying out past curfew. 0:06:17.640 --> 0:06:21.920 And I don't know the exact idemization of everything they 0:06:21.920 --> 0:06:24.360 were doing besides protesting. 0:06:24.480 --> 0:06:27.320 But again, the cardinal. 0:06:26.960 --> 0:06:28.960 Rule that every law. 0:06:28.800 --> 0:06:32.440 Student learns in constitutional law class is that the First 0:06:32.440 --> 0:06:35.320 Amendment only protects speech. 0:06:35.080 --> 0:06:36.040 Not conduct. 0:06:37.320 --> 0:06:39.760 Okay, that's one oh one stuff when you go to 0:06:39.839 --> 0:06:42.440 law school. Okay, Now I want to get into a case, 0:06:42.520 --> 0:06:45.200 A couple of cases you can talk a little bit about, 0:06:45.320 --> 0:06:48.640 and those are the two being heard today oral arguments 0:06:48.880 --> 0:06:51.680 in the Supreme Court of the United States that could 0:06:51.680 --> 0:06:56.080 determine whether states can ban transgender athletes who identify as 0:06:56.120 --> 0:07:01.400 women born male from competing on girls and women's sports team. 0:07:02.279 --> 0:07:06.200 It's a legal fight. Some stay have far reaching implications 0:07:06.240 --> 0:07:09.560 on transgender policies across the country, which would include the 0:07:09.560 --> 0:07:12.760 military and so forth. These cases are being brought in 0:07:12.920 --> 0:07:18.240 Idaho and West Virginia. What can you tell us that 0:07:18.400 --> 0:07:25.680 basically is any different than what we know already about 0:07:25.920 --> 0:07:30.520 biological boys that are playing in girls' sports, and in 0:07:30.600 --> 0:07:32.640 many states that is still legal. 0:07:34.880 --> 0:07:41.240 Yeah, well, these cases, the plaints in these cases, the 0:07:41.600 --> 0:07:46.120 affected transgender athletes that filing the suits are claiming their. 0:07:45.920 --> 0:07:46.960 Title nine. 0:07:48.360 --> 0:07:52.840 Rights are being violated, you know, being denied participation and sports. 0:07:52.920 --> 0:07:57.000 And the thing is with the biological differences between men 0:07:57.040 --> 0:08:02.520 and women. I believe allow showing biological boys and men 0:08:02.560 --> 0:08:06.720 to compete against girls and women violates Title nine because 0:08:07.760 --> 0:08:10.680 the difference between men's and women's performance is I'm sure 0:08:10.680 --> 0:08:13.960 you've covered this, it's about ten to twelve percent, and 0:08:14.160 --> 0:08:16.480 taking hormones and blockers. 0:08:15.960 --> 0:08:17.760 Does not mitigate those effects. 0:08:17.800 --> 0:08:20.880 I mean, you remember the swimmer Leah Thomas from pen 0:08:21.640 --> 0:08:24.200 went from being number four hundred and sixty two among 0:08:24.240 --> 0:08:27.320 college men in the two hundred yard freestyle to being 0:08:27.440 --> 0:08:31.360 number one among college women. And Leah Thomas's time only 0:08:31.400 --> 0:08:34.880 regressed by two point sixty six percent with a year 0:08:34.920 --> 0:08:38.160 of hormones and blockers, not the ten to twelve percent. 0:08:38.240 --> 0:08:40.000 The difference between men and women. 0:08:40.080 --> 0:08:45.560 And at the college level, you're talking about not just scholarships, 0:08:45.600 --> 0:08:47.960 a spot on the team, a spot on the travel team, 0:08:47.960 --> 0:08:52.599 a spot in the starting lineup all things, or qualifying 0:08:52.640 --> 0:08:56.400 for NCAA's missing by a spot, or missing qualifying for 0:08:56.520 --> 0:09:02.960 finals or consolation finals, which Dan Carroll's son was on 0:09:03.000 --> 0:09:06.640 the Virginia Tech swim team, teammates with the one girl 0:09:06.720 --> 0:09:10.680 in the five hundred yard freestyle who missed making the 0:09:10.720 --> 0:09:15.680 evening finals by one spot because of Leah Thomas. And 0:09:15.800 --> 0:09:18.000 at the high school level, you're talking about, you know, 0:09:18.120 --> 0:09:22.000 spot on a team, spot on varsity starting. 0:09:21.600 --> 0:09:23.920 Lineup, and so on, so. 0:09:24.480 --> 0:09:28.840 And it's very clear girls and women get displaced by 0:09:29.320 --> 0:09:35.079 biological guys ye competing as boys and girls. And it's 0:09:35.240 --> 0:09:38.199 and by the way, when girls take hormones or women 0:09:38.280 --> 0:09:41.360 take you know, male hormones, they don't become as good 0:09:41.400 --> 0:09:43.160 as men, not even close. 0:09:44.760 --> 0:09:49.200 Let me ask you this. You know, we always hear 0:09:49.240 --> 0:09:52.960 about the American Civil Liberties Union through the history of 0:09:53.000 --> 0:09:55.520 our country. There have been a lot of things that 0:09:55.559 --> 0:09:59.600 they have surprised us with that they actually get behind 0:09:59.640 --> 0:10:01.680 and stay for. There are a lot of things that 0:10:01.720 --> 0:10:04.520 don't surprise us about the a c l U at all. 0:10:05.440 --> 0:10:07.840 The question I have, based on your experience, and you've 0:10:07.840 --> 0:10:11.640 had a lot of it with the ACLU, why are 0:10:11.679 --> 0:10:16.680 they not defending women's rights, why are they defending trans 0:10:16.840 --> 0:10:18.160 rights in these cases? 0:10:19.400 --> 0:10:20.520 That's a good question. 0:10:20.800 --> 0:10:23.280 I think, you know, this is where you see the 0:10:23.440 --> 0:10:30.120 far far left taking over that the Democratic Party or 0:10:30.480 --> 0:10:34.160 you know, those kinds of causes, and women who try 0:10:34.200 --> 0:10:38.239 to speak out against this stuff are effectively being silenced 0:10:38.280 --> 0:10:41.280 and you know, blacklisted or whatever else. 0:10:41.440 --> 0:10:49.640 Right, I'm curious if if these decisions, and let's assume 0:10:49.679 --> 0:10:52.560 for a second and look based on the past with 0:10:52.640 --> 0:10:59.199 this particular Supreme Court, they have cided with the Trump 0:10:59.240 --> 0:11:03.200 administration on this being not a violation of Channel nine 0:11:03.440 --> 0:11:06.560 of Title nine, as you brought up earlier. The bottom line, 0:11:06.760 --> 0:11:10.040 do you think these two cases and these two decisions 0:11:10.320 --> 0:11:12.760 are going to put this to bed once and for all, 0:11:13.360 --> 0:11:15.480 or is this going to be, you know, like the 0:11:15.880 --> 0:11:19.360 hamster running around on the circle over and over and 0:11:19.400 --> 0:11:20.199 over and over. 0:11:21.679 --> 0:11:25.240 I mean, these cases here only addressed a narrow issue. 0:11:25.240 --> 0:11:28.360 Can states ban this stuff? It's a state's rights thing. 0:11:28.880 --> 0:11:33.120 It doesn't say anything about I don't think the court 0:11:33.160 --> 0:11:36.360 can only address the narrow issue that's in front of it. 0:11:36.480 --> 0:11:40.440 They can't broaden outside of the specific legal question raised. 0:11:41.840 --> 0:11:46.600 But Riley Gaines and company have another separate lawsuit coming 0:11:46.640 --> 0:11:47.480 through the pipeline. 0:11:47.520 --> 0:11:52.760 It's still the trial court level. It was filed in federal. 0:11:52.400 --> 0:11:58.320 Court in Atlanta that basically says allowing guys to compete 0:11:58.320 --> 0:12:02.360 against girls does violate Title nine. Is a lawsuit against 0:12:02.400 --> 0:12:04.920 the NCAA and some other parties. 0:12:05.800 --> 0:12:07.440 Well this whole thing. 0:12:07.600 --> 0:12:10.080 I mean, look, I had a daughter that competed in 0:12:10.160 --> 0:12:13.280 athletics and I just can't for the life of me, 0:12:14.040 --> 0:12:18.000 for the life of me, I cannot understand how there 0:12:18.080 --> 0:12:20.560 are and I don't think there's really in terms if 0:12:20.600 --> 0:12:23.080 you were to put a percentage on it, I think 0:12:23.080 --> 0:12:26.120 it would be far less than fifteen percent of people 0:12:26.240 --> 0:12:31.240 actually support these biologically born males competing in women's sports. 0:12:31.280 --> 0:12:33.680 But there is a ten to fifteen percent of the 0:12:33.880 --> 0:12:37.360 American population very much in that favor. They would never 0:12:37.400 --> 0:12:39.679 be in favor of it if you had a daughter 0:12:40.080 --> 0:12:44.720 who was born a biological female and having to compete. 0:12:44.720 --> 0:12:48.000 And we have seen some of the examples in recent years, 0:12:48.040 --> 0:12:52.000 whether it's volleyball, you talked about swimming, the dominance the 0:12:52.160 --> 0:12:57.280 power of the born male compared to a female in 0:12:57.320 --> 0:13:02.360 a lot of cases, James Bogan, it's dangerous, it is. 0:13:02.440 --> 0:13:03.600 I mean, you had that. 0:13:05.160 --> 0:13:09.680 North Carolina high school volleyball player who was permanently injured 0:13:10.080 --> 0:13:13.840 by a spike to the face from a transgender opponent. 0:13:14.000 --> 0:13:17.040 And you know when you have the physical sports, I mean, 0:13:17.559 --> 0:13:21.000 just some years back, you had that MMA fighter Mixed 0:13:21.000 --> 0:13:29.800 martial arts fighter fallon Fox who absolutely destroyed female opponent broker, 0:13:29.960 --> 0:13:32.120 eye socket and everything else. 0:13:33.400 --> 0:13:35.839 Yeah, and we saw it in the Olympic Games. And 0:13:35.880 --> 0:13:38.959 that person now would be no longer able to compete 0:13:39.000 --> 0:13:40.040 in the Olympic Games. 0:13:40.679 --> 0:13:41.800 It's gonna be fascinating. 0:13:43.240 --> 0:13:48.200 That person was actually not transgender technically, but the same effect, 0:13:49.400 --> 0:13:52.920 was born with both male and female organs and had 0:13:52.920 --> 0:13:56.160 the x Y chromosome, who effectively went through puberty as 0:13:56.200 --> 0:13:57.439 a male, but same effect. 0:13:57.600 --> 0:14:02.319 Yeah, exactly, James Bogan, I mean, go ahead, finish if 0:14:02.320 --> 0:14:02.559 you will. 0:14:02.679 --> 0:14:06.400 And quite frankly, that fight, those fights looked like if 0:14:06.440 --> 0:14:10.640 you remember Rocky four when Ivan Drago pummeled Apollo Free, 0:14:10.720 --> 0:14:11.079 that's what. 0:14:11.000 --> 0:14:11.520 It looked like. 0:14:11.600 --> 0:14:14.800 You're exactly right, James. Can't thank you enough for your time, 0:14:14.840 --> 0:14:16.960 my friend. All the best in everything that you have 0:14:17.080 --> 0:14:20.080 going on, and we'll check in with you again sometime soon, 0:14:20.120 --> 0:14:20.440 I hope. 0:14:20.440 --> 0:14:21.880 Thank you for your time. Have a great rest of 0:14:21.920 --> 0:14:22.280 your day. 0:14:23.600 --> 0:14:24.240 Thank you, Tom. 0:14:24.280 --> 0:14:29.560 Always a privilege, my pleasure. A fella's Look. Have you 0:14:29.600 --> 0:14:32.800 made a news years resolution to get in better health? 0:14:33.480 --> 0:14:36.480 Those are always a big one, but maybe you know 0:14:36.520 --> 0:14:38.440 the energy is a little low. You can't get going, 0:14:38.600 --> 0:14:41.880 not sleeping as well, not seeing the progress in the gym, 0:14:42.240 --> 0:14:46.800 staying committed, that can be tough. 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Today we're going to 0:16:02.720 --> 0:16:06.920 talk about some of the newest health trends, if you will. 0:16:07.000 --> 0:16:10.800 Are they researched or do they have just really really 0:16:11.120 --> 0:16:12.760 good marketing. 0:16:13.320 --> 0:16:16.240 Good morning, Julie, Hi. 0:16:16.240 --> 0:16:19.080 Tom, what a great show. I got to listen a 0:16:19.080 --> 0:16:20.400 lot more to the show today. 0:16:20.520 --> 0:16:23.160 What a great show you want, Thank you, Thank you. 0:16:23.240 --> 0:16:27.720 Know I've become as I've watched my wife go through it, 0:16:27.800 --> 0:16:31.840 I've just become so interested in trying to relay as 0:16:31.920 --> 0:16:35.040 much information as I can to a lot of our 0:16:35.280 --> 0:16:39.240 female listeners, especially you know, the whole menopause, saying, I 0:16:39.760 --> 0:16:42.680 just it is such a struggle for so many women 0:16:42.720 --> 0:16:45.600 out there, and there are more and more studies that 0:16:45.640 --> 0:16:48.760 are being done about it and so forth. Anyway, I 0:16:48.800 --> 0:16:51.200 want to talk with you today though about some of these. 0:16:51.680 --> 0:16:53.120 You know, I got a guy who lives across the 0:16:53.120 --> 0:16:56.000 street from me. This guy looks like Hercules, right, I mean, 0:16:56.000 --> 0:16:59.640 he's what I refer to as country strong. 0:17:00.160 --> 0:17:00.440 Right. 0:17:00.680 --> 0:17:06.080 He's from down in Athens, Ohio. Great dude, successful guy. 0:17:06.680 --> 0:17:09.720 But he comes walking out of his house every single 0:17:09.760 --> 0:17:12.240 day and I'll see him an hour and a half 0:17:12.320 --> 0:17:15.359 later walking back. And this guy's got to go to 0:17:15.720 --> 0:17:19.879 twenty two thirty strong man and he's got one of 0:17:19.920 --> 0:17:24.879 these weighted vest on his back. Right now, what are 0:17:24.920 --> 0:17:28.840 your thoughts about, you know, enhancing your workouts with these 0:17:29.040 --> 0:17:31.440 weighted vests. 0:17:31.760 --> 0:17:34.160 Yeah, it's all over the market right now, and it's 0:17:34.200 --> 0:17:37.919 being marketed more to women than men. If you you know, 0:17:38.119 --> 0:17:41.359 once again, you know, as you said earlier in the show, 0:17:41.520 --> 0:17:45.800 women going through menopause, losing bone moots, all these weighted vests. 0:17:46.080 --> 0:17:50.600 They're making these unbelievable promises. One little forty four dollar 0:17:51.080 --> 0:17:53.800 weighted vest is going to give you more weight loss, 0:17:53.920 --> 0:17:58.959 fat reduction, build muscles. They're going to increase your bone density. 0:18:00.240 --> 0:18:05.920 I'm really, really, really nervous about these because think about it, Tom, here, 0:18:06.040 --> 0:18:09.159 put this vest on. Let me put fifteen pounds of 0:18:09.200 --> 0:18:12.640 weight on you. Fifteen pounds a minute. First of all, 0:18:12.760 --> 0:18:15.640 that sounds awful, doesn't it as it does? And then 0:18:15.840 --> 0:18:17.959 it's an ill fitting suit you don't know if it 0:18:18.040 --> 0:18:21.800 even fits right which one you bought for maybe on 0:18:21.920 --> 0:18:26.919 sale for thirty dollars. And then what the studies are 0:18:26.920 --> 0:18:29.400 showing if you talk. I've talked to a couple of doctors, 0:18:29.400 --> 0:18:32.040 you know, getting ready for the show. And then I've 0:18:32.040 --> 0:18:36.120 talked to some people who you have used them, and 0:18:36.359 --> 0:18:39.520 what they say is think and it does make sense. 0:18:39.640 --> 0:18:43.400 It's going to increase all the spine stress on your body, 0:18:44.320 --> 0:18:48.560 especially if your posture isn't perfect. So if you have 0:18:48.800 --> 0:18:50.920 a little bit of a poor posture, and I have 0:18:51.080 --> 0:18:54.680 poor posture, I mean we said nobody has perfect posture 0:18:54.760 --> 0:18:58.480 unless you're talking to sort of an Olympic skier or 0:18:58.560 --> 0:19:02.920 an Olympic skater, or they have perfect posture. Olympic gold 0:19:03.000 --> 0:19:08.080 sponsors posture will call it. But all these weighted vests 0:19:07.800 --> 0:19:13.639 are leading to core fatigue, overuse injuries. And also, I 0:19:13.680 --> 0:19:16.879 mean you think of the little things the cardiovascular strain. 0:19:17.359 --> 0:19:20.200 You know, you're putting more resistance on your heart and lung, 0:19:21.400 --> 0:19:24.560 you know, walking up hill in hilly Cincinnati. Now, let 0:19:24.600 --> 0:19:29.040 me put ten pounds of weight on you. In many respects, 0:19:29.119 --> 0:19:33.119 it's like carrying a baby, carrying a bag of dog food, 0:19:33.680 --> 0:19:37.359 carrying like think about it. I mean, I'd like to 0:19:37.400 --> 0:19:40.640 be open minded about things, but not so open minded 0:19:40.680 --> 0:19:42.800 that our brains fall out. 0:19:43.080 --> 0:19:45.760 Well, I mean, you know, that's one of the things 0:19:45.760 --> 0:19:48.639 they talk about, is a key's disadvantage of it is 0:19:48.680 --> 0:19:51.520 not only the weight stressing. You talked about your back, 0:19:51.560 --> 0:19:54.320 but it's all your joints, your hips, your knees, your spine, 0:19:54.359 --> 0:19:57.359 your ankles. I'm sure there are good things to it, 0:19:57.440 --> 0:19:59.720 but it did point out something that you made number 0:19:59.760 --> 0:20:03.600 one there, and that is your posture. If it doesn't 0:20:03.640 --> 0:20:07.200 fit right right all of a sudden, it can lead 0:20:07.240 --> 0:20:10.680 to so many issues, especially with your back, but other 0:20:10.800 --> 0:20:13.840 major joints. Do you see anything positive about it? 0:20:16.600 --> 0:20:19.520 I am having a hard time with being a lot 0:20:19.560 --> 0:20:22.679 of positive about it. Yeah, if you're going to go 0:20:22.760 --> 0:20:26.040 hike the Appalachian Trail, you go get fitted for a 0:20:26.040 --> 0:20:29.080 really nice backpack, or you're going hiking with the family 0:20:29.119 --> 0:20:30.879 and you know you're gonna have to carry your gear. 0:20:31.760 --> 0:20:34.400 But you know, once again, I want to stress. Even 0:20:34.480 --> 0:20:37.439 then you go get a proper backpack, you're fitted for 0:20:37.520 --> 0:20:41.040 the backpack. You increase, you know, the weight in the 0:20:41.080 --> 0:20:46.119 backpack gradually. So I'm really really having a hard time 0:20:47.560 --> 0:20:51.400 rationalizing why you want to would change your center of gravity, 0:20:51.640 --> 0:20:55.840 why you want to take maybe a compromise posture, a 0:20:55.920 --> 0:20:59.399 posture that hasn't worked out or has been sitting, and 0:20:59.480 --> 0:21:02.560 then a lot of weight to it. When it's hard 0:21:02.680 --> 0:21:05.320 enough just to go out and have a traditional walk 0:21:05.320 --> 0:21:09.159 on Cincinnati Hills, think about it. I'd rather have people 0:21:09.720 --> 0:21:12.600 to go back to your basics, go for a walk 0:21:12.680 --> 0:21:16.159 with your best friend, and challenge yourself on a hillier walk, 0:21:16.240 --> 0:21:20.199 a longer walk, a hillier run, a longer run, and 0:21:20.240 --> 0:21:22.439 think about it. Think about have you ever put on 0:21:22.520 --> 0:21:26.240 a bulletproof veest? Think of all our policemen, if weighted 0:21:26.359 --> 0:21:29.640 vests are so good. We've had a lot of skinny 0:21:29.680 --> 0:21:34.639 police people walking around right with beautiful possible point, and 0:21:35.400 --> 0:21:37.720 I don't think they are. And I don't think you'll 0:21:37.720 --> 0:21:41.000 hear a policeman say, oh yay, I get to add 0:21:41.640 --> 0:21:45.679 fifteen pounds of a weighted bulletproof vest on every morning, 0:21:45.720 --> 0:21:47.520 and I've got to carry that thing on. 0:21:47.560 --> 0:21:48.600 Me all day. 0:21:48.960 --> 0:21:52.119 I just, yeah, it just doesn't make sense for me, 0:21:52.520 --> 0:21:56.040 especially when you add in the cots in the ill 0:21:56.080 --> 0:21:59.560 fitting sizes, and when you. 0:21:59.560 --> 0:22:00.280 Don't have to. 0:22:01.800 --> 0:22:04.480 Just say no, okay, now I want to get to 0:22:04.520 --> 0:22:09.000 another fitness device, and that is what's called a vibration plate. 0:22:09.080 --> 0:22:11.680 If you've not seen one of those, basically, these look 0:22:11.800 --> 0:22:14.119 like a scale that you would step on. They're a 0:22:14.119 --> 0:22:17.440 little bit bigger, little wider. They come in different sizes 0:22:17.480 --> 0:22:21.960 and so forth, but basically they're using high frequency vibrations 0:22:22.320 --> 0:22:28.360 to stimulate muscles, enhance your strength, circulation, balance, flexibility, so 0:22:28.400 --> 0:22:31.880 on and so forth. They're generally used for workouts, some 0:22:31.960 --> 0:22:37.119 may use for pain relief, recovery, etc. Your thoughts initially 0:22:37.240 --> 0:22:41.320 about these vibration plates, I'm. 0:22:41.160 --> 0:22:43.640 Glad you brought up what they are. In the claims 0:22:43.720 --> 0:22:48.320 they make, they these things vibrate at high speeds, I 0:22:48.440 --> 0:22:51.280 mean high speeds. If you've ever gotten on one, it's 0:22:51.760 --> 0:22:55.080 very disconcerting to me. And I went and tried one 0:22:55.080 --> 0:22:57.880 because I once again I want to I like trying 0:22:58.000 --> 0:23:02.920 everything before I talk about it. But they make incredible claims. 0:23:03.000 --> 0:23:06.200 It's amazing what you know. Once again, a forty dollars 0:23:06.200 --> 0:23:12.439 piece of ecquintment is going to just miraculously change you overnight. 0:23:13.080 --> 0:23:17.520 But here's once again where I really want to stress. 0:23:17.680 --> 0:23:20.480