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Speaker 2: My wife, I mentioned to Joe Strecker during the break,

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Speaker 1: From a Christian way of helping.

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Speaker 2: And this is one of the most pro life people

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Speaker 2: I know. Are there any more on the way Corey Funny?

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Speaker 3: First off, Good mornings, Mary, Chris. Yes, thank you so

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Speaker 1: You got a lot of good dinners out of it,

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Speaker 2: So first and foremost, the man you ran against for

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Speaker 3: Corey Well, I think like many people you know in

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Speaker 3: This is giving a green light. Those doors have been

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Speaker 1: You have in your emerca? Here see the talk station.

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Speaker 2: We're talking with Corey Bowman. Gone from candidate Bowman to

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Speaker 2: citizen Bowman again a pastor Bowman, Businessman Bowman? What did

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Speaker 2: where's your coffee shopping business in twenty twenty Corey?

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Speaker 3: We had just started our church in twenty twenty and

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Speaker 2: All Right, the protests, which, like I said, we have

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Speaker 3: Cory Well, I would say that this is actually what

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Speaker 1: Yeah, render under Caesar? What is Caesar's? Render? Under God?

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Speaker 3: And you guys absolutely.

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Speaker 2: You know, demonstrated that through faith and through action both.

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Speaker 2: How do we get a handle in this violence? And

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Speaker 2: So how do more shootings to? You know, more shootings

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Speaker 3: Well, you know what, Gary Jeff. Over the last year,

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Speaker 3: But ultimately, all these questions that I've heard over dinners

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Speaker 2: Pastor Bowman, you know what, that may be more important

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Speaker 3: Merry Christmas to you, sir.

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Speaker 2: All right, thank you so much. Jim Ornacy will join

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