Speaker 1: News Radio seven hundred WLW Mike Allen and Saturday Midday nasty,
Speaker 1: rainy Saturday morning. Well, i'll tell you what it's all
Speaker 1: happening in Minnesota. The big story this week because a
Speaker 1: thirty nine year old mother and teacher, her name was
Speaker 1: Renee Nicole Good, because Ms Good didn't follow the instructions
Speaker 1: of a law enforcement Also, she is now dead tragically,
Speaker 1: and that is truly sad, but not surprising. I mean,
Speaker 1: these people were itching for a fight for the longest time.
Speaker 1: It's like the Vice President said, I'm going to quote
Speaker 1: him directly, it was a tragedy of her own making.
Speaker 1: And that's exactly what it was. And like I said,
Speaker 1: the left's been itching for this for months. And why
Speaker 1: you may ask yourself, why the hatred, why the contempt
Speaker 1: for ice officers they're simply doing their jobs. Why do
Speaker 1: these people continue to advocate for criminals who trespass into
Speaker 1: our country over ordinary citizens like you and I. That's
Speaker 1: something that I just can't figure out. We are citizens,
Speaker 1: they're not, but they're more concerned with them. Here's just
Speaker 1: an example of the type of person that they want
Speaker 1: to protect. These are the libs that you Sanctuary City
Speaker 1: the whole deal. And this is from the ICE website.
Speaker 1: US Immigration and Customs enforcement officers launched the targeted Enforcement
Speaker 1: Operation in Minnesota December thirty first to locate and apprehend
Speaker 1: a dude named Mahad I'm not even gonna try the
Speaker 1: middle name yousef. Illegal alien and convicted sex offender from Somaliam,
Speaker 1: but thanks to the sanctuary pract policies of Minnesota Governor
Speaker 1: Tim Waltz, assumed to be out the program. Governor Tim
Speaker 1: Waltz and this guy, he's getting on my last nerve
Speaker 1: Mayor Jacob Fry. This dan criminal was free to prowl
Speaker 1: the streets and victimize Minneapolis residents for years, and you
Speaker 1: know those are the people that they're concerned about.
Speaker 2: I mean.
Speaker 1: In addition, he committed a series of horrific crimes, including
Speaker 1: a conviction for criminal sexual conduct in the first degree,
Speaker 1: where he forced his victim to perform oral sex on
Speaker 1: him multiple times. He was also arrested in twenty sixteen
Speaker 1: for assaulting the first degree and has an active warrant
Speaker 1: from twenty twenty four to four obstructing police. Now again,
Speaker 1: why are we protecting this guy at the expense of
Speaker 1: ordinary citizens?
Speaker 3: I mean, why is he more important than us?
Speaker 1: I think a little civics lesson is in order here.
Speaker 1: You know, entering our country illegally, as we know, it's
Speaker 1: a crime. And I'll tell you exactly what crime it is.
Speaker 1: Eighteen United States Code thirteen twenty five. It's one of
Speaker 1: the rare federal statutes that's pretty damn simple. Basically, it
Speaker 1: prohibits entering the US at any time or place other
Speaker 1: than as designated by immigration officers. And although they don't
Speaker 1: call it this, it's a trespass into our country. Pretty simple,
Speaker 1: one would think that. Well, continuing on the civics lessons here,
Speaker 1: Congress enacted that law eighteen USC. Thirteen to twenty back
Speaker 1: in nineteen fifty two, and they did it to keep
Speaker 1: people who did not want to become citizens the right way,
Speaker 1: to keep them the hell out of here. So again,
Speaker 1: it's been round since nineteen fifty two. So Congress in
Speaker 1: that year, made up then of Republicans and Democrats, as always,
Speaker 1: passed this legislation. Well, continuing in the civics lesson, the
Speaker 1: next question is who is going to enforce that statue
Speaker 1: that I just read. Of course it's ice it is
Speaker 1: their job, not just their job but their sworn duty
Speaker 1: to enforce federal law, and that's what they do, or
Speaker 1: at least try to do.
Speaker 3: And if the Democrats and the looney left.
Speaker 1: Don't like it, it's just like the Second Amendment, change it,
Speaker 1: change the law, repeal it, and just what the hell
Speaker 1: let everybody in. If they don't like the law, they
Speaker 1: can change it. Congress passed it, they can change it.
Speaker 1: But they don't want to do that because they know
Speaker 1: they won't get the votes needed. Again, just like the
Speaker 1: Second Amendment, repeal it. If you don't like it, good
Speaker 1: luck with that too. So ICE agents are demonized for
Speaker 1: the simple act of doing their job or doing the
Speaker 1: job Congress commands them to do by eighteen United States
Speaker 1: Code thirteen to twenty five. Instead, they're called Nazis, neo Nazis, Gestapo, racist, kidnappers, thugs.
Speaker 1: And here's one that I just found out about the
Speaker 1: other day that they're called slave members of the slave patrol.
Speaker 3: Isn't that nice?
Speaker 1: So you get members of Congress like Senator Chucky Schumer
Speaker 1: last week saying that I'm quoting him here.
Speaker 3: Ice causes death, ice death.
Speaker 1: You know, while people like you and I, you know,
Speaker 1: we're out working you got the pink haired, nose ring
Speaker 1: wearing crowd who all men and women, they all look
Speaker 1: like Marge Simpson to me, ended out doing their protest thing.
Speaker 1: And this week one of them said they were in
Speaker 1: an argument with somebody, and it must have been an
Speaker 1: ice officer said, well, you're gonna have to leave or whatever.
Speaker 1: She says, I'm working here, which I mean to me
Speaker 1: means she's getting paid. And that's what you got now.
Speaker 1: You know, when all the signs, not all of them,
Speaker 1: but many of the signs look exactly the same, somebody
Speaker 1: is paying for it. Everything on the left is performative.
Speaker 1: They sing their silly little songs, chant their infantile slogans
Speaker 1: with no substance whatsoever. I got a clip and I
Speaker 1: will not make you listen to it very long. Just
Speaker 1: a typical kind of democrat leftist hoot nanny at.
Speaker 3: I think this one was Minnesota. Could you play that please?
Speaker 4: All right?
Speaker 1: That's enough, you get it. You know they love that song.
Speaker 1: But think about it. This land is your land, and
Speaker 1: if they're singing it to me, damn straight, it's my land.
Speaker 1: And if the person singing it saying this land is
Speaker 1: my land is the United States citizen. Fine, but it's
Speaker 1: not the land of illegal aliens. They are not supposed
Speaker 1: to be there. You know, you have about half of
Speaker 1: the elected leaders saying basically screw you.
Speaker 3: To us.
Speaker 1: And to the trespassers, we love you and we'll protect
Speaker 1: you because he's even though you snuck into our country.
Speaker 1: Kind of perplexes you, doesn't it at least it does me.
Speaker 3: And I'm telling you what, it's getting old. It really is.
Speaker 1: I mean, Trump, he cleaned up the mess that Biden
Speaker 1: left behind. I don't know how many hundreds of thousands
Speaker 1: of people he's gotten the hell out of there. He's
Speaker 1: got a hell of a lot more to go.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 1: Another thing that honked me off and bought And I
Speaker 1: don't think I'm the only one this situation with the
Speaker 1: city of Cincinnati wanting to pay out a possible settlement
Speaker 1: for the family of eighteen year old Ryan Hinton.
Speaker 3: He's the guy that was shot in a police.
Speaker 1: Not a shootout, but they all had guns there. He
Speaker 1: came around, I guess besides a dumpster. Clearly from the video,
Speaker 1: he kind of pointed the gun at the cop and
Speaker 1: he lost his life for that. And again, it's not
Speaker 1: good when that happens to anybody. But again he put
Speaker 1: himself in that position. But the big brew haha this week,
Speaker 1: council wants to pay for that justifiable shooting or justified shooting.
Speaker 1: County pillach Our County prosecutor, I think wisely said that
Speaker 1: this is a legitimate police shooting. It's legal. You know,
Speaker 1: you had some on counsel though, and I gotta hand
Speaker 1: it to him. Jeff Kramerning has won. He said, I
Speaker 1: think the city's position is that the officer has not
Speaker 1: done anything wrong. Thank you so much, council Member Kramerding.
Speaker 1: I see nothing in the video contrary to that. I
Speaker 1: do not feel a settlement is warranted. I think that
Speaker 1: would send the wrong message to the Cincinnati police. And
Speaker 1: you know, really that statement from him is really important.
Speaker 1: There is another council member who's of the same ILK.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you about him in a minute, but
Speaker 1: I commend Jeff Kramerding for that. He's going to catch
Speaker 1: all kinds of crap from his fellow council members and
Speaker 1: some of his constituents, but he took a position.
Speaker 3: Okay, Seth Walsh, he's another one.
Speaker 1: I met him a couple of weeks ago, pretty impressive
Speaker 1: young man. Here's what he said. He called the situation abhorrent.
Speaker 1: He talked to the inquirer and he said the community
Speaker 1: is owed an explanation about why the settlement with the
Speaker 1: Hitting family is even on the table and why deliberated
Speaker 1: apparently without Council's knowledge behind closed doors. Here's what council
Speaker 1: Member Wall said, quote, it's a tremendous disrespect to the
Speaker 1: families involved, and to make a public spectacle out of
Speaker 1: a tragedy.
Speaker 3: Oh, the left is real good at that.
Speaker 1: Council member, I think it is unconsonable for the City
Speaker 1: of Cincinnati to be considering a settlement.
Speaker 3: Without the full deliberation of council.
Speaker 1: The tragedy that unfolded in made devastated our community, and
Speaker 1: it is our responsibility to heal the wreckage.
Speaker 3: Not to create more division.
Speaker 1: You know what that statement, if there were any Republicans
Speaker 1: on council, could have come from a Republican. And again,
Speaker 1: I met him a couple of weeks ago at some event,
Speaker 1: and an impressive young man who obviously thinks for himself,
Speaker 1: so he got to at least sticking up for the cops.
Speaker 1: But and I was interviewed yesterday on the legal end
Speaker 1: of this thing. By Fox nineteen. I mean, here's the deal.
Speaker 1: Sometimes municipalities and companies whatever, will throw some money at
Speaker 1: somebody to get out of them, get around them filing
Speaker 1: a lawsuit. It's called a nuisance settlement. Something tells me
Speaker 1: they ain't talking nuisance settlement on this, and that's beside
Speaker 1: the point. And these two council members hit it right
Speaker 1: on the head. They hit the nail right on the head.
Speaker 1: You can't do that. You can't put that on the cops. Look,
Speaker 1: I did it. I was in this position. Connie Pillich
Speaker 1: made the right call. And it's one of the toughest
Speaker 1: things a prosecutor has to do, and that is that
Speaker 1: that shooting was constitutionally justified. Why in God's name the
Speaker 1: city of Cincinnati is ready willing and able apparently to
Speaker 1: h oh open up the vault down there on Plum
Speaker 1: Street and pour money out is beyond me.
Speaker 3: Well, I know why.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, the majority of counsel wants to
Speaker 1: appease a certain constituency. Hey, at eleven thirty today, we've
Speaker 1: got FOP President Ken kober Uh, We're gonna give me
Speaker 1: get him on the line to talk about this and boy,
Speaker 1: he is worked up about it. And I don't blame him.
Speaker 1: You know, the city gives out money like it's freaking candy.
Speaker 1: You know, they got they got bopped on the fire chief.
Speaker 1: They're gonna get if at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: if a chief Thiji does not keep her job, they're
Speaker 1: gonna have to roll the Brinks truck up to Plumb
Speaker 1: Street down there at City Hall because she's gonna hit
Speaker 1: the jackpot. But she and her family and I and
Speaker 1: I think a lot of other people want her to
Speaker 1: continue to be the police chief. Apparently, what happened the
Speaker 1: law firm that the city hired Frost Brown Todd. Apparently
Speaker 1: they said, well, we didn't find anything, and so the
Speaker 1: city managers said, well get out there. You got another month,
Speaker 1: you got till February. See what you can do. That
Speaker 1: is just outrageous, it really, but it's typical for the
Speaker 1: city and the left hand never seems to know what
Speaker 1: the right hand is doing with these people. But you know,
Speaker 1: I just want to read one quote from Ken Kober
Speaker 1: and again we're going to have him at eleven thirty.
Speaker 1: This is what he said talking about this whole situation
Speaker 1: with paying the hinting family. This is an absolute outrage.
Speaker 1: Crime literally pays in Cincinnati under this city manager. It's
Speaker 1: a slap in the face to every law enforcement officer
Speaker 1: risking their lives, a betrayal of the public trust, and
Speaker 1: a disgusting messages that's that targeting cops has no consequences.
Speaker 3: And he is so right, he's so right about that.
Speaker 1: You just you can't do this, and you know, I mean,
Speaker 1: obviously it wasn't him, but his father the very next
Speaker 1: day killed a police officer brutally with his vehicle, killed
Speaker 1: a police officer, and the city wants to reward this family. No, no,
Speaker 1: I don't think so. They're going to bring down the
Speaker 1: FOP and others. These two council members that have the
Speaker 1: stones to do the right thing, council Member Walsh and Kramerding.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you they're going to bring a you know
Speaker 1: what storm down on the city if the city forks
Speaker 1: over anything. And they're trying to do it in secret
Speaker 1: to which is something the city's getting pretty darn good at.
Speaker 3: But again we'll talk to Ken. I'm gonna ask him
Speaker 3: about that.
Speaker 1: He is, from what you're ready here, obviously honked off
Speaker 1: about it and I don't blame them.
Speaker 3: Well, I'll tell you what. And we talk about this
Speaker 3: a lot.
Speaker 1: It's a tough, tough time to be a police officer,
Speaker 1: especially in a big city like the city of Cincinnati.
Speaker 1: I don't know that I would do it if I
Speaker 1: had it to do all over again in today's time.
Speaker 3: It's just it's not the same.
Speaker 1: They don't have the officers back, and the officers know that,
Speaker 1: and that's why they're not getting aggressive.
Speaker 3: We've been over that a thousand times.
Speaker 1: Well, anyway, I'm losing my voice here, but we do
Speaker 1: have to take a break for the news and I'll
Speaker 1: get some water.
Speaker 3: I'll be okay, Mike Allen.
Speaker 1: Saturday Reds fans, get your tickets now for Reds Fest. Hey,
Speaker 1: just to kind of give you an idea of the
Speaker 1: show today. I'm going to get to the calls here
Speaker 1: in just a second. At ten o'clock, though, Jameis Heisel
Speaker 1: of the Epoch Times, she filed three counting three stories
Speaker 1: on the fraud scandal in Minnesota. She's all over that,
Speaker 1: like the proverbial white on. Rice Channis is going to
Speaker 1: update us on that at ten o'clock, then from ten
Speaker 1: thirty all the way to eleven thirty open lines, full
Speaker 1: hour of open lines, seven four nine, seven, one, eight hundred,
Speaker 1: the big one. Those are the numbers to call if
Speaker 1: you want to be a part. And then at eleven
Speaker 1: thirty I'm looking forward to this. Ken kober Fop Lodge
Speaker 1: sixty nine President on the nonsense going on was settling
Speaker 1: with the Hinton family, settling for what. I don't know,
Speaker 1: but we're going to talk to Ken about that. But
Speaker 1: for now, let's get to the phones. Louise, she's been
Speaker 1: on the hold I think before I even started today.
Speaker 3: Hey Louise, how you doing?
Speaker 6: Hi? Mike.
Speaker 7: I'm really anxious to talk today because even before this
Speaker 7: recent thing came out with Hinton's wanting a big hand
Speaker 7: out here, earlier in the week, they came out with
Speaker 7: the story that this man I don't even want to
Speaker 7: say his name because it would be a bail word
Speaker 7: right now, but anyway that they sent to him, the
Speaker 7: three shrinks who said he was came up with some
Speaker 7: fake mental case to try to, you know, lessen his sentence. Now,
Speaker 7: the thing that the media is leaving out I want
Speaker 7: your listeners to take note of this. The media is
Speaker 7: in no way when they're talking about this story, the
Speaker 7: media is leaving out the part that his delinquent son
Speaker 7: and I know earlier in the show, Mike, you're saying
Speaker 7: that kid was eighteen.
Speaker 8: I'm thinking that.
Speaker 7: Kid was fourteen. First of all, he stole the car.
Speaker 7: Don't forget this kid stole a vehicle. Then when the
Speaker 7: cops caught up with him, he tried to, you know,
Speaker 7: attack the cop. The cop was totally justifiable in that case.
Speaker 7: The prosecutor rolled that. So they're leaving out that part
Speaker 7: of the story. When they're talking about this guy, they
Speaker 7: send some fake shrinks and I hope they're all listening
Speaker 7: to because they're a bunch of fakes. And I had
Speaker 7: called into your show when this idiot ran over mister Henderson.
Speaker 7: Let's not forget the Henderson family. Let's not forget the
Speaker 7: Henderson family.
Speaker 9: I called into your show.
Speaker 7: The following week because that was the UC graduation. Were
Speaker 7: all these cops and this idiot passed by dozens of
Speaker 7: black cops and he attacked the white officer Henderson. And
Speaker 7: these fake shrinks that are calling this guy mentally unstable,
Speaker 7: I want them to add to that he's a racist.
Speaker 7: He passed by a bunch of black cops to attack
Speaker 7: officer White, Officer Henderson. So I want your listeners to
Speaker 7: realize that this is a two part story. This delinquent
Speaker 7: kids stole a car. And if mister Hinton's listening, what
Speaker 7: the hell kind of father is he that he raised
Speaker 7: the kid that he was fourteen? Mike, I'm almost positive
Speaker 7: this kid was fourteen, and I'm.
Speaker 3: Gonna double check. You may be right about that. I'll
Speaker 3: double check.
Speaker 7: It, right, So let everyone know there's a two parts
Speaker 7: to this story, and this idiot is a racist on
Speaker 7: top of being a horrible father.
Speaker 10: That's all I got to say.
Speaker 1: And that's plenty. Luise, thank you so much for that call.
Speaker 1: Appreciate it. Yeah, I mean, I don't know. Maybe somebody
Speaker 1: can call and tell me how it makes sense to
Speaker 1: pay that family. You're welcome to drive you want. Let's
Speaker 1: talk to doctor Dennis in Annapolis. He wants to talk
Speaker 1: about Minnesota. Hey, good morning, Doc.
Speaker 11: Morning Mike. I would just want to make two points
Speaker 11: about this situation in Minneapolis and the ice state officer. One,
Speaker 11: if this if this woman that was in the vehicle
Speaker 11: that that got shot, Yeah, her relatives standing around the
Speaker 11: vehicle like as close as the Ice agents were. You
Speaker 11: can bet she'd have been more careful about moving the
Speaker 11: vehicle at all until they were away from they you know,
Speaker 11: their relatives were away from the vehicle. Ye, she would
Speaker 11: have not. He would have made sure they were safely
Speaker 11: away before she even you know, moved an inch right, right,
Speaker 11: and the other point I want to right, and the
Speaker 11: and the other. Yeah, she had no regard for the
Speaker 11: safety of the ice ice officers. And the other point
Speaker 11: I want to make is, you know this, these uh
Speaker 11: leftist protesters there, they all they and this has been
Speaker 11: probably made on other news programs, but they really wanted
Speaker 11: something to happen like what happened with this Renee Good.
Speaker 3: I agree with you.
Speaker 11: They Yeah, they needed a martyr. And the whole situations
Speaker 11: ginned up by the you know, the mayor and the
Speaker 11: walls and uh so I they're playing the game. I've
Speaker 11: called it, the leftist protester Russian roulette, and they hope
Speaker 11: that it happened something as shooting or something, but it
Speaker 11: just doesn't happen to them in them personally, you see,
Speaker 11: no I a protest about.
Speaker 1: It, and you know I heard one this week was
Speaker 1: being interviewed getting into it with a reporter probably a
Speaker 1: Fox reporter, and I mean something was said along the
Speaker 1: lines of a why are you here?
Speaker 3: Her response, I'm working.
Speaker 1: And again, if you look at it, a lot of
Speaker 1: them were carrying the exact same signs, which means, yeah,
Speaker 1: they don't do that for free.
Speaker 3: So I smelled George Soros in it.
Speaker 11: Of course, of course I read just finally I read
Speaker 11: something funny last night. There's a big reason the loon
Speaker 11: is the bird of the state bird of Minnesota.
Speaker 1: I didn't know that. That's good. I appreciate that. Thank
Speaker 1: you for filling a suit. Okay, boy, I tell you what.
Speaker 1: Some things are just absolutely appropriate, the loon being the
Speaker 1: state bird for Minnesota. I don't know what those people
Speaker 1: are thinking, man. I mean it's on so many levels.
Speaker 1: I mean, you got the treatment of the ice officers,
Speaker 1: then you have this rampant, absolute wait to hear Janis
Speaker 1: give us an update, just rampant fraud up there that
Speaker 1: people's governor and attorney general seemed to know about but
Speaker 1: did nothing because they didn't want to be called racist.
Speaker 1: They didn't want to be are you ready for this
Speaker 1: called an islamophobe? Boy, how bad would that be? And
Speaker 1: the same thing with their local media up there. They
Speaker 1: ignored it too. I mean, it's it's the way of
Speaker 1: the world, unfortunately this time in history. Who's been on longest?
Speaker 1: Let me talk to Berry in Miamisburg. Hello, Berry, good morning.
Speaker 9: How's it going, sir?
Speaker 3: Pretty good? How about you?
Speaker 9: Pretty good?
Speaker 12: I have a legal question for you. I was, Yeah,
Speaker 12: someone who lives in Cincinnati could sue the city of
Speaker 12: Cincinnati to prevent that massive payout.
Speaker 3: You know what?
Speaker 1: And I saw that's what you wanted to talk about.
Speaker 1: I was thinking about it. There is provision I believe,
Speaker 1: for a taxpayer lawsuit against the municipality. But you know,
Speaker 1: during the break, if I can, I got my trustee
Speaker 1: Google here, I'll see what I can find out there.
Speaker 1: There might be, but I just don't know for certain.
Speaker 2: Berry.
Speaker 12: You know, I live in another part of the state,
Speaker 12: so I have no standing. But I was wondering if
Speaker 12: somebody could do that.
Speaker 1: Well, he it's if somebody can do it, I think
Speaker 1: they will do it if the city persists, because I mean,
Speaker 1: this just HiT's normal people, normies like us, the wrong way.
Speaker 5: Man.
Speaker 1: I mean, giving that family money after what happened is
Speaker 1: just bull crap.
Speaker 6: That and giving those protesters money, Ah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, talk to mister Soros about that.
Speaker 12: Take your pick. You know, the city ought to prevent
Speaker 12: that from happening.
Speaker 1: Well, you know what, and like I said, when I
Speaker 1: saw that, I was thinking about it. I'm gonna on
Speaker 1: a break. I'll double check and see what I can
Speaker 1: find out. But it's a very good, very timely and
Speaker 1: appropriate question.
Speaker 12: All right, Well, thank you, sir, and have a nice.
Speaker 1: Say Okay, thank you. All right, let's talk to Ransom
Speaker 1: up in Columbus. Hey, good morning, how you doing.
Speaker 13: You're more in Mike Kids always I love your programs
Speaker 13: and I'm I'm I'm sort of like incognito, your reporter
Speaker 13: from the Columbus area, connecting Cincinnati of.
Speaker 9: This every week, you know. So basically, I wanted to
Speaker 9: give your listeners a little history about you know, you
Speaker 9: know of all, you know, all of a sudden, Columbus,
Speaker 9: Ohio pops out the news about why we have so
Speaker 9: many Somalians. We have they're guestimating somewhere between forty and
Speaker 9: sixty thousand Somalians. So how did that happen to Columbus, Ohio. Well,
Speaker 9: we've had two Democratic mayors. It's all started with a guy.
Speaker 2: Named Mike Coleman.
Speaker 9: About going to it, probably about twenty five years ago.
Speaker 9: So the deal was, he comes up with this idea,
Speaker 9: we need to bring more people into Columbus to make
Speaker 9: it more you know, socially and culturally diverse, and even
Speaker 9: all the de Ice cuff was happening back in the
Speaker 9: twenty five years ago. So but the other thing is,
Speaker 9: and as you know most Democrats, what they're looking for
Speaker 9: is they're looking for the hidden the hidden candy, which
Speaker 9: was federal dollars. So it's been estimated that he was
Speaker 9: getting somewhere between eighteen hundred and thirty five thousand dollars
Speaker 9: of a person from Somalia to bring them in. So
Speaker 9: that's how basically we've grown into a large SMO community
Speaker 9: second to Minnesota. Here's here's the issue. This seems to
Speaker 9: be a cultural thing about most of them. Now I'm
Speaker 9: not going to generalize them. Is here's here's where the
Speaker 9: rub comes. As you talk very eloquently every week that
Speaker 9: the every man and woman, common person paying their taxes.
Speaker 14: We pay for everything.
Speaker 9: Okay, that's what makes everybody upset.
Speaker 14: And this is why it's.
Speaker 10: Hitting a fan.
Speaker 9: Now, if this money was going to people legitimately, we
Speaker 9: have no problem in the United States, taking care of
Speaker 9: the or friends, the prisoners, the widows, uh, kids without
Speaker 9: come to dead all. I mean, we're a very generous country.
Speaker 9: But if you're if you're going to screw us from
Speaker 9: people that don't want to assimilate to our culture. They
Speaker 9: don't want to learn how to speak English if they
Speaker 9: want to be on welfare. Well, like they were stating
Speaker 9: the Washington, uh meetings they're having right up there, the
Speaker 9: uh you know, the the the Republicans are doing a
Speaker 9: uh trying to get the facts basically about you know, what's.
Speaker 3: The congressional investigation. Yeah.
Speaker 9: Yeah, this is probably what Jane is going to be
Speaker 9: sharing with the lot of us too. And man, she's
Speaker 9: such a great report. I would love her to dig
Speaker 9: into Columbus because, uh, you know, we're not as bad
Speaker 9: as Minnesota, but we do have that stuff. And the
Speaker 9: current mayor he's just useless. His name is Andrew Gunther,
Speaker 9: and he is For instance, he has said we are
Speaker 9: a sanctuary city, uh, but yet has never come out
Speaker 9: and been bold enough to say worse sanctuary said so
Speaker 9: in other words, everything's under the rug, you know. And
Speaker 9: and he's patronizing this and then it is a political
Speaker 9: it's a political coup. These Democrats, they do this, letting
Speaker 9: them b Johnson told some of his cronies. He told
Speaker 9: anybody that was running for office back in his day, says,
Speaker 9: you got to learn how to pad the box.
Speaker 2: Yet the ballot box.
Speaker 3: They're padding it up there.
Speaker 1: Hey, Unfortunately, Ransom, I got to get some of these
Speaker 1: other callers. But okay, thanks for keeping us posted on Columbus.
Speaker 1: If you would continue to do that, I'll.
Speaker 3: Take your call every time, all right.
Speaker 9: But yeah, it's basically long story short is that we've
Speaker 9: probably got people that have been on welfare for over
Speaker 9: ten years or more and that abuse. If they could
Speaker 9: just get the abuse on accountability happening, then I think
Speaker 9: people would calm down a little bit more.
Speaker 2: You know, I got you got God bless you mana
Speaker 2: you Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean Ramson just said the word that it sums
Speaker 1: it all up as to the solution for this crap,
Speaker 1: and that's accountability. And Tampon Tim is not being accountable. Uh,
Speaker 1: and the Attorney General is not being accountable at all.
Speaker 1: And boy, I'm here, Ellison, Keith Ellison, I'm here, and
Speaker 1: there might be some stuff dropping on him. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: ask Janis about that when I talked to her in
Speaker 1: a little bit. Hey, let's talk to Ryan in Hamilton. Hey,
Speaker 1: how you doing Ryan?
Speaker 14: Good?
Speaker 3: Are you good? Good?
Speaker 5: First off, I want to say rest Renane Nicole good.
Speaker 2: She was shot in the face three times point link
Speaker 2: Rains was turning the wheel away from an ice officer.
Speaker 1: She was no, no, no, no no no, I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna let you.
Speaker 2: Did you did you?
Speaker 3: Would you? Would you?
Speaker 6: Let me?
Speaker 5: You know what?
Speaker 1: If you don't let me talk, I'm gonna hang up
Speaker 1: on your ass. Did you see did you see the
Speaker 1: last video Ken, the one that came out.
Speaker 2: Yesterday talking to Celton footage.
Speaker 1: No, I might have been body caim. I don't know,
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter. He let me ask you something. How
Speaker 1: many of these kind of shootings did you have to
Speaker 1: rule it on?
Speaker 2: I actually nobody's ruled on any of these.
Speaker 1: I mean, the point I'm trying to make is I'm
Speaker 1: not a know at all, but I've been there, I've
Speaker 1: done that, and that is a good shooting.
Speaker 3: Now let me say this. Will you shut up, Let
Speaker 3: me say this. Let me say this.
Speaker 2: Please, okay, go back fine and talk about pampon tim
Speaker 2: and talking.
Speaker 1: Like you're out of here and you're out of here.
Speaker 1: You know what, learned how to be civil and you can.
Speaker 1: I love going back and forth with these guys, but
Speaker 1: they don't give you a chance.
Speaker 3: What I was gonna say before, you.
Speaker 1: Know, he the torrent of interruptions was I wasn't real
Speaker 1: sure about it until I saw that last video. And
Speaker 1: there's more evidence too, which makes it clear that that's
Speaker 1: what that woman intended to do. And it is a
Speaker 1: tragedy that she's gone. Apparently she has kids too, but
Speaker 1: it's a tragedy of her own making. Like the Vice
Speaker 1: president said, please, if you disagree with me, please call,
Speaker 1: but let's have a discussion going back and forth. Oh
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what. Hey, let's talk to Ken in Cincinnati. Hey, Ken,
Speaker 1: how you doing all right?
Speaker 14: Mike?
Speaker 15: I do want to say happy new Year and maybe
Speaker 15: prosperous and healthy to everyone out there real quick. When
Speaker 15: they call us islamophobe, I call them Christian phobes.
Speaker 3: Oh they can't do.
Speaker 14: That, Boby.
Speaker 11: So hey, you know what what they are.
Speaker 3: They're immune from criticism.
Speaker 1: Ken, don't you know that you're not a lot of
Speaker 1: criticize them.
Speaker 15: And the other thing too. The main reason why I
Speaker 15: was calling is in the insurance businesses. Someone gets killed
Speaker 15: while they're committing a crime, the insurance policy is not.
Speaker 3: Going to pay the family.
Speaker 15: So I'm tired of the city selling these cases with
Speaker 15: people who are involved in criminal activity. And that includes
Speaker 15: an eight point two million dollars settlement ugy so called
Speaker 15: people mostly peaceful riots we're doing. So I hope someone
Speaker 15: does folow a lawsuit uh to uh to contest that,
Speaker 15: because it's just really crazy.
Speaker 11: And then this whole thing with the latest with the
Speaker 11: hinting case.
Speaker 14: If the guy was involved.
Speaker 15: In still in a car in criminal activity, but for that,
Speaker 15: none of this will be happening.
Speaker 1: You're right, and I appreciate the call and bumping up
Speaker 1: against the news.
Speaker 3: All right, God bless you man, you too, thank you,
Speaker 3: thank you.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know getting back to that last caller,
Speaker 1: I mean, if you want a debate, let's debate. That's
Speaker 1: what makes the world go around. But it turned into
Speaker 1: a shouting match pretty quickly. Let's see, you know what
Speaker 1: we are bumping up against the news. When we get back,
Speaker 1: we're going to talk to Janis Heiseel. She's going to
Speaker 1: give us an update. She filed three different stories this
Speaker 1: week out of Minnesota. We'll get that, and then from
Speaker 1: ten thirty to eleven thirty open lines for those of
Speaker 1: you that are on hold. If you continue to hold,
Speaker 1: I'll get y'all first, and we'll do that. Like I
Speaker 1: said at ten thirty, we'll break for the news here
Speaker 1: and then come back with Janis Heisel from the Epoch
Speaker 1: Times seven hundred WLW, News Radio seven hundred WLW Mike
Speaker 1: Allen with our two Saturday Midday. Well, our next stress
Speaker 1: is going to tell us that there's more going on
Speaker 1: in Minnesota than these protests. The investigation into the massive,
Speaker 1: unprecedented fraud in that case continues. Janie Heisel of the
Speaker 1: Epoch Times filed three stories on that subject this week,
Speaker 1: and she's here to talk with us.
Speaker 3: Janis, thanks so much for calling in.
Speaker 4: Absolutely Thank you so much, Mike for having me. Before
Speaker 4: we dive into the stories that I wrote, I would
Speaker 4: like to take just a quick minute and tell the
Speaker 4: listeners to please say a prayer for my colleagues who
Speaker 4: are actually in Minnesota right now and amid all.
Speaker 16: The character things that are going on, you.
Speaker 4: Know, they there are reports from some of my colleagues
Speaker 4: and other people there, other media people I've heard from that,
Speaker 4: you know, when they've been kind of collateral damage. There's
Speaker 4: been some less lethal munitions fired in the area when.
Speaker 2: It you know, then the.
Speaker 4: Shopner or actually the ubber bullets will hit some members
Speaker 4: of media, and.
Speaker 16: Yeah, it's really tough.
Speaker 4: And I also wanted to point out the importance of
Speaker 4: responsible media coverage and how a lot of citizens are
Speaker 4: pushing back when things may not be that way. I
Speaker 4: would like to point out from the Cincinnat enquire I.
Speaker 16: Don't usually do something.
Speaker 4: Like this, but my husband pointed this one out. Here's
Speaker 4: the Facebook post. It says ice officers shot and killed
Speaker 4: a woman observing ice activity in Minneapolis. In response, Cincinnati
Speaker 4: joined national protests. Yeah, as you can imagine, citizens went
Speaker 4: off in the comments.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what, and you're right, And usually I
Speaker 1: don't see that filtering down to local media.
Speaker 3: Jannis.
Speaker 1: I mean, in all my time, I think they've been
Speaker 1: overwhelmingly fair and unbiased.
Speaker 3: It's mainly the national media.
Speaker 1: But it's very appropriate for you to make that comment,
Speaker 1: and I appreciate you letting us know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I just thought people would like to know that,
Speaker 4: you know, that's out there and there are people voiceeing
Speaker 4: their opinion about that. So if you look, if you're
Speaker 4: on Facebook, take a look at that, unless maybe and
Speaker 4: him changed it by now, but I have a screenshot
Speaker 4: of it. So anyway, Yeah, I'm glad to talk about
Speaker 4: the stories that I've written. And yes, I like to
Speaker 4: do more than just a sensational headline, right, I like
Speaker 4: to look into what really is happening below.
Speaker 16: The surface as much as I can.
Speaker 3: Yep, you do it. You do that. Well, let me
Speaker 3: ask you.
Speaker 1: Your first story that I read Medicaid will claw back
Speaker 1: fraud funds at doctor Oz. I guess had a press
Speaker 1: conference about it, and his was about Medicare Medicaid I
Speaker 1: forget which one. And they're digging into that one thing
Speaker 1: I saw in that story. Jannis his agency, Doctor Oz's
Speaker 1: agency can't find Ah, it's not really that much. Only
Speaker 1: five hundred million dollars in these Medicare slash Medicaid payments.
Speaker 3: I mean, that's just one believable.
Speaker 4: Again, every time I think my jaw can't drop open anymore, ye, yeah,
Speaker 4: latest news coming out of here, it does. And actually
Speaker 4: Trump has pointed out that the fraud across our country,
Speaker 4: not just Minnesota. But one of the things about Minnesota.
Speaker 4: That does make it stand out is per capita, the
Speaker 4: suspected and documented fraud is really really high for a
Speaker 4: smaller state in parison to say California per person per capita,
Speaker 4: if we cost that out, I don't have those figures
Speaker 4: in front of me, and it's something we're still working on,
Speaker 4: and I don't know if I can even get my
Speaker 4: arms around it.
Speaker 2: It's too big.
Speaker 1: It's just hard to fathom at some point. And you know,
Speaker 1: you know, doctor Oz said, good for him for saying,
Speaker 1: is he's going to try to claw back the funds.
Speaker 1: I'll bet when it comes to restitution if there's a
Speaker 1: criminal conviction, there ain't gonna be a lot of money
Speaker 1: to give back, unfortunately, because they spend that already. But
Speaker 1: tell us a little bit more about what doctor Oz
Speaker 1: had to say this week.
Speaker 4: Well, he said that, look, you know, why should we
Speaker 4: give you any more money if you don't have the
Speaker 4: controls in place to make sure that this money is
Speaker 4: actually going for the intended purpose. That's the bottom line
Speaker 4: on that one.
Speaker 3: And is it Medicare or medicaid? Janis I should know
Speaker 3: medicaid Medicaid?
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, Yeah, the other all stories are good This
Speaker 1: is extremely interesting. Minnesota agency staff backdated records as auditors
Speaker 1: found failures. I mean, that's big time bad and probably
Speaker 1: criminal if they Ohio has a statue for tampering with records.
Speaker 1: What's the story on that, I mean, how how are
Speaker 1: they doing it backdating the records? If you know from
Speaker 1: within your story, Well, there was.
Speaker 4: A hearing where there's a person called the Office of
Speaker 4: the Legislative Auditor and this this is an agency. It's
Speaker 4: like a watchdog agency that's been within their Minnesota government
Speaker 4: for many years and their job is to kind of
Speaker 4: spot check different agencies, uh, to make sure that they
Speaker 4: have financial controls in place, things that again, make sure
Speaker 4: that the money is going for the intended purposes, that
Speaker 4: they have the t's crossed, eyes dotted, things like that,
Speaker 4: and uh so when they went into this agency, it's
Speaker 4: a division of the Department of Human Services, which is
Speaker 4: in essence the welfare department. Uh, the Department of Behavioral
Speaker 4: Health is supposed to uh take care of some needs
Speaker 4: for people who have substance abuse and things like that
Speaker 4: and uh disabled and things like mentally mentally, uh people
Speaker 4: with mental disorders and take care of those people.
Speaker 3: And I think all of us, you know.
Speaker 4: Would support those uses of funds. But when you go
Speaker 4: in there and you're trying to make sure that that
Speaker 4: money is going for those purposes, and then when you
Speaker 4: start asking for records and they go, okay, where's the
Speaker 4: proof that you visited and provided services or that the contractor?
Speaker 4: They administer grants and I think it was like between
Speaker 4: two hundred million and over three hundred million per year.
Speaker 4: This agency is in charge of doling out grant money
Speaker 4: to various providers. They go in and they go, well,
Speaker 4: where's the proof that this agency.
Speaker 2: Provided this service?
Speaker 4: Yea, And then they created a record and they said, well,
Speaker 4: we just forgot at the time of the visit to
Speaker 4: document that we were there, you know, making sure that
Speaker 4: this company was providing the contracted service under.
Speaker 2: The grant money.
Speaker 1: You know, you talked about the legislative auditor Judy Randall.
Speaker 1: She in your story, she's quoted in her twenty seven
Speaker 1: years of working for the watchdog agency. Randall said, quote,
Speaker 1: I have never seen this before. Multiple employees fabricated the records,
Speaker 1: she said, so we do believe it was a systemic effort.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's big time fraud. If you've got a
Speaker 1: bunch of people involved in it, which it looks like
Speaker 1: that's the case there.
Speaker 4: Well, I remember one fact is that it was in
Speaker 4: February of twenty twenty five that they were that a
Speaker 4: record was created after the audits began, and they were
Speaker 4: documented visits that happened several months prior, and so that
Speaker 4: is a huge concern. And one of the things that
Speaker 4: was surprising to me that I hope to have time
Speaker 4: to follow up on is they did not say during
Speaker 4: the hearing whether what kind of action, if any, would
Speaker 4: be taken against the multiple individuals that she the Legislative
Speaker 4: Auditor identified as being these backdating you know, creating.
Speaker 1: Records and at the same time they're going after whistleblowers. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it doesn't make any sense, but it's not surprising. Just
Speaker 1: one more thing from that story, Janus, I want to
Speaker 1: read just a short paragraph that you wrote talking about
Speaker 1: James Comber and the Congressional House Oversight Committee hearings and
Speaker 1: James Comer you're talking about Comber highlighted a specific concern.
Speaker 1: The report discloses one grantee received nearly seven hundred thousand
Speaker 1: dollars for a single month of work, yet couldn't provide
Speaker 1: auditors with documentation proving that amount was justified. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's just it's stunning in its brazenness.
Speaker 4: Did you note the part where it actually came up
Speaker 4: during a congressional hearing the head of the Oversite Committee,
Speaker 4: James Comber, pointed out, quote, here's the kicker. I remember
Speaker 4: he said that the employee who approved that particular grant
Speaker 4: left the government agency and took job later on with
Speaker 4: the place for which he said, you can have the money.
Speaker 3: Wow, you know, the blind leading the blind.
Speaker 1: You know, seven hundred thousand dollars kind of adds up,
Speaker 1: and I'd like to have a job where I can
Speaker 1: earn that for a single month of work.
Speaker 3: It just gets worse up.
Speaker 4: Yeah, really, let's both go there, Mike what he say?
Speaker 1: I'm ready, man, I'm ready. Okay, the most comprehensive. You're
Speaker 1: all your stories are comprehensive, But boy, the one four
Speaker 1: takeaways from the fraud congressional hearing that we were just
Speaker 1: talking about, you break it down into four separate things, Janie.
Speaker 1: First one being national discussion.
Speaker 3: This is a key point. Can you kind of tell
Speaker 3: us what you're thinking on that?
Speaker 11: Well?
Speaker 4: I think that you know, a representative Hudson. I don't
Speaker 4: have that story in front of me, but he really
Speaker 4: put it very well. He described and you know, if
Speaker 4: maybe you haven't it in front of you, Mikey, you
Speaker 4: can describe what is his exact words for because I
Speaker 4: don't want to misquote him.
Speaker 3: You're talking about Comber.
Speaker 4: Representative Hudson. He was from He's from Minnesota, and he
Speaker 4: was one of the three major witnesses who testified. There
Speaker 4: was a fourth witness, but he didn't say a whole lot.
Speaker 4: And Representative Hudson is on the fraud Prevention Committee in Minnesota,
Speaker 4: and I just I feel like.
Speaker 16: That he put it well. If you don't have it
Speaker 16: in front of you, we can you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would rather have him say it to me.
Speaker 3: I'm looking forward to here.
Speaker 1: Janis a lot with Comer and then the Republican lawmakers,
Speaker 1: Kristin Robbins, Walter Hudson, Marion Rerick.
Speaker 4: Is that what you're talking about the very first subhead
Speaker 4: and that is okay?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, he's he.
Speaker 4: Was amazing and I just want to, you know, I
Speaker 4: don't want to, you know, put any words in his mouth.
Speaker 1: Well, it says they testified at the hearing along with
Speaker 1: the fourth witness Brendan Belou, a former federal prosecutor and
Speaker 1: native Minnesota. So, I mean, obviously these people are legislative
Speaker 1: people and they're keeping an eye on it. I guess
Speaker 1: if you broke it down between good guys and bad guys,
Speaker 1: these people are the good guys.
Speaker 3: Wouldn't you say, well, I don't want.
Speaker 4: To, you know, opine on that. You know, but I
Speaker 4: will tell you that this hearing ended up being kind
Speaker 4: of devolved into some shouting matches where some of the
Speaker 4: people on the other side of the political aisle were
Speaker 4: raising questions about things that were not relevant at all
Speaker 4: to Minnesota fraud. For example, they were bringing up January sixth,
Speaker 4: and I'm kind of like, what does that have to
Speaker 4: do with Minnesota product? That was what the witnesses were
Speaker 4: pushing back. And then then that ends up where the
Speaker 4: person in Congress is yelling at the witnesses thing.
Speaker 16: It's my time, I get my time back, and just.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, back and forth.
Speaker 4: And so anyway, the key point that you know, I
Speaker 4: found the quote he said, the national conversation has been
Speaker 4: fraught with distractions about personalities and parties and politics. They're
Speaker 4: trying to say this is all just Republicans coming after Democrats.
Speaker 4: He said that basically that they a lack of oversight
Speaker 4: for Minnesota's generous benefit programs. Maybe easy for people to
Speaker 4: quote certain benefits into business.
Speaker 16: That's the phrase I was hoping you would say.
Speaker 4: Because people need to know that is systemic. They want
Speaker 4: to turn benefits into business, according to Representative Hudson, and
Speaker 4: that the state developed a culture of profiting from government
Speaker 4: programs and perpetuity not as a safety net, but as
Speaker 4: an industry. He said it, and I could not put
Speaker 4: that any better.
Speaker 16: I am sorry.
Speaker 4: I wanted to give words because he is, you know,
Speaker 4: there in the state. I am not, And I just
Speaker 4: could not have put it any better than that. He
Speaker 4: sees it from the inside and had seen.
Speaker 2: It for years.
Speaker 16: I'm kind of trying to come lately on the scene.
Speaker 4: So and there's even a cottage industry where consultants earn
Speaker 4: living by helping people get benefits.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I saw that in your story.
Speaker 16: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I want to make sure I get this in here.
Speaker 1: One of the things to me is just shocking your
Speaker 1: section about whistleblowers punished and intimidated.
Speaker 3: What do you know about that? Janis?
Speaker 4: Oh, well, the thing that stood out to me most
Speaker 4: that I had not heard yet. I heard about whistleblowers
Speaker 4: being punished and threatened in things, and reassigned different jobs,
Speaker 4: and all of that, you know, really bad enough. But
Speaker 4: then there were there's an email that was entered into
Speaker 4: the congressional record that shows that a leader of the
Speaker 4: Welfare Department sent out to several other people at least
Speaker 4: a veiled threat, if not actual statement. I don't have
Speaker 4: the email, I've asked for it that says we want
Speaker 4: to use military intelligence to have the exact.
Speaker 1: Locations I saw that, unbelieva. Let me just read a
Speaker 1: couple sentences here from your story. You are quoting Rareck here.
Speaker 1: Their collective message has been completely consistent. Instead of focusing
Speaker 1: on fraudsters, DHS leadership instead focuses its focus is its
Speaker 1: surveillance on employees. After one whistleblower raised concerns, she faced
Speaker 1: a lengthy investigation, was escorted out of the building and
Speaker 1: transferred involuntarily to another state agency. Just a couple more
Speaker 1: sentences here, Jess. Other employees have reported being threatened with
Speaker 1: being fired, being blacklisted from all state agencies.
Speaker 3: And this is what you just said.
Speaker 1: This floored me, and receiving a veiled threat of the
Speaker 1: use of military intelligence against them. Now that's got to
Speaker 1: be a federal crime in and of itself, I would think.
Speaker 4: Well, I did say a couple of congressmen at the
Speaker 4: hearing did raise the possibility that such actions have proven
Speaker 4: could constitute criminal conduct. So I don't even know, like
Speaker 4: if if there are enough prosecutors to look.
Speaker 3: Into all of this.
Speaker 4: The problems are so deep and wide that one of
Speaker 4: the prosecutors is the guy who has been kind of
Speaker 4: like the lead prosecutor on the Minnesota front. And this
Speaker 4: is the point I want to make sure people realize
Speaker 4: this didn't happen overnight. There have been alarms raised about this,
Speaker 4: and that's another key point that's been missed. Alarms have
Speaker 4: been raised about this for a decade or more, right, Yeah,
Speaker 4: and they get ignored and so literally they This prosecutor
Speaker 4: has been in charge of most of these cases, especially
Speaker 4: this main one called Feeding Our Future, which, to remind
Speaker 4: the listeners, was the case where people were claiming during
Speaker 4: the pandemic era, to provide meals to kids that they
Speaker 4: ordinarily would have gotten in schools that schools were closed
Speaker 4: because of the COVID pandemic, and they weren't providing the
Speaker 4: meals that they were just pocketing the money and doing
Speaker 4: other things with it.
Speaker 16: Basically up to the tune.
Speaker 4: Of now three hundred and ten million is the latest.
Speaker 16: Prosecutions are still.
Speaker 4: Continuing, and they began in twenty twenty two, after investigations started.
Speaker 16: The year prior. So that is this prosecutor that was
Speaker 16: in charge of.
Speaker 4: All of that said at one point he could have
Speaker 4: one thousand.
Speaker 16: Prosecutors and still stay busy.
Speaker 1: I'm reading it now and I read it last night.
Speaker 1: Let me ask It's impossible to answer. I guess I
Speaker 1: wonder if that was tongue in cheek or he actually
Speaker 1: believed that. I mean, with what's going on there and
Speaker 1: the lack of oversight, maybe they would need a thousand prosecutors.
Speaker 1: It's just it's incredible. Hey, we only have a couple minutes.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, a couple of minutes. I thought I want
Speaker 1: I wanted to ask you a couple things. First, what's
Speaker 1: next in Minnesota? Secondly, what are you hearing about Columbus?
Speaker 1: Because I kind of thought last week there'd be a
Speaker 1: big week up there of discovery. There was a little
Speaker 1: bit of a blit, but then I didn't hear anything,
Speaker 1: so you have two and a half minutes.
Speaker 4: Janis okay. So what's next for Minnesota is that the
Speaker 4: Fraud Committee is probably going to have a hearing sometime
Speaker 4: this month. Now, who knows, they may not have it.
Speaker 4: It's this unrest and the clashes between the ICE and
Speaker 4: the protesters continue, so we'll see if they are going
Speaker 4: to have a hearing. I will be covering that for certain.
Speaker 4: I know there is an additional congressional hearing that is
Speaker 4: planned coming up in the month of February where Governor
Speaker 4: Wall of Minnesota, if people are aware, may remember that
Speaker 4: recently he announced he is not continuing his bid for
Speaker 4: reelection for a third term Darnick. He and the Attorney
Speaker 4: General Keith Ellison from Minnesota have been a subpoena or there.
Speaker 16: Have been seveena.
Speaker 4: They take it back, they may be subpoena, but they've
Speaker 4: been asked to come February tenth to a hearing in
Speaker 4: Congress before that oversight committee.
Speaker 16: So that's what's what's next on deck for Minnesota.
Speaker 4: Other than the crazy unrest. Now in Columbus, I actually
Speaker 4: did take a trip up there with a photographer on Tuesday.
Speaker 4: I have not finished my report on that, and I
Speaker 4: don't want to steal too much of my own thunder,
Speaker 4: but I will say I went into the Somali community
Speaker 4: and I was able to get a few interviews. Many
Speaker 4: Somalis were afraid to talk to me or would not
Speaker 4: or could not speak English very well. But the ones
Speaker 4: that I did speak to, I really got some pretty
Speaker 4: interesting stuff. And there's been some videos that have surface
Speaker 4: where people are, you know, doing kind of like the
Speaker 4: Nick Shurly thing and alleging this business. You know, But I,
Speaker 4: in my opinion to like need him to take one
Speaker 4: visit and a place. One place I went, for example.
Speaker 16: I could hear children inside, so I know there were
Speaker 16: children in there.
Speaker 4: Okay, but who knows, maybe there are five children in
Speaker 4: there and they're building for twenty you know. I don't
Speaker 4: have the authority to go barging into a place, and
Speaker 4: it did to me. Yeah, so that's kind of I
Speaker 4: will have a story coming up next.
Speaker 16: Week on that.
Speaker 1: Okay, Well, we will look forward. And again, this is invaluable, Janis.
Speaker 1: I mean, you're giving out information that I don't think
Speaker 1: a lot of reporters in this country know or have
Speaker 1: bothered to do the work on so and I can't
Speaker 1: tell you how many times I get Hey, you know,
Speaker 1: I listened to you and Janis Heisel's really got that
Speaker 1: story down.
Speaker 2: Pat.
Speaker 3: I guess that's all a long way of saying, I
Speaker 3: really appreciate what you're doing.
Speaker 4: Well, you know, I appreciate being on the air to
Speaker 4: talk about it because I do think that people in
Speaker 4: Cincinnati really need to be informed in back people across
Speaker 4: the country. So thank you again for the opportunity, and
Speaker 4: We're all going to definitely stay tuned and I'll keep
Speaker 4: working as.
Speaker 16: Hard as a can.
Speaker 1: That sounds good, Jans, thank you. All right, boy, I'll
Speaker 1: tell you what. That's some good information. It just it's frightening,
Speaker 1: it really is. And I think she would have said
Speaker 1: if I would have asked her, they've only scratched the serp.
Speaker 1: It's up there, but pretty bad. Hey, listen, we got
Speaker 1: to take a break. I'm already late for the news.
Speaker 1: When we get back. Your calls and those are the
Speaker 1: all hold I'm going to get them first. Mike Allen Saturday.
Speaker 4: Midday sixteen rules you would recruit Look.
Speaker 1: Gallen Saturday Midday as promising, I'm gonna get to the phones.
Speaker 3: This won't take long at all. I did do some research,
Speaker 3: some down and dirty research over the break about the
Speaker 3: question of whether a taxpayer can sue the City of
Speaker 3: Cincinnati to prevent them giving any money to the Hinton family.
Speaker 1: We've been talking about all morning, and I tell you
Speaker 1: the first thing that pops up is AI, and I
Speaker 1: have found AI to be accurate and fair. Okay, here's
Speaker 1: the short answer. Yes, an Olio taxpayer can potentially sue
Speaker 1: a municipality over a settlement, but it's complex. Usually requires
Speaker 1: showing misuse of funds well that would be right on
Speaker 1: the money, or illegal activity, and often depends on the law.
Speaker 1: Exceptions to this is this would be the problem. Two
Speaker 1: exceptions to sovereign immunity. Uh, that's you'd have to get
Speaker 1: around that.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: When a taxpayer can sue a common basis is if
Speaker 1: the municipality is misusing taxpayer money, failing duties, engaging in
Speaker 1: illegal acts under the revised code. And then just one
Speaker 1: more thing on the sovereign immunity thing. Municipalities have immunity,
Speaker 1: meaning they can't be sued easily, requiring the taxpayer to
Speaker 1: fit it into a specific legal exception. And there there
Speaker 1: are quite a few exceptions to sovereign I you need,
Speaker 1: but you'd have to find one. So I think the
Speaker 1: answer is, yes, you can, but it won't be easy.
Speaker 1: So anyway, I wanted to make sure that I had
Speaker 1: that down. Hey, let's talk to Roger in Milwaukee.
Speaker 3: Hello, Roger, thank you.
Speaker 17: Hey, I'm in Columbus. First of all, on the insurance issue,
Speaker 17: Usually the insurance policies, I understand, have the ability to
Speaker 17: override what the city wants to do, so the city
Speaker 17: might not want to settle, but oftentimes the final decision
Speaker 17: is with the insurance company.
Speaker 2: So give some thought to that.
Speaker 3: That's that's interesting, Roger. I didn't know that. I mean,
Speaker 3: it's the city's money. But you sound like you know
Speaker 3: what you're talking about. Are these things, these kind of
Speaker 3: claims against the city, Usually they get the money from
Speaker 3: the insurance and not from the general fund.
Speaker 17: Well, Cincinnati could be self insured, you know, they might
Speaker 17: not even have an insurance company, and if it's viewed
Speaker 17: as an intentional tort, their policy may not cover. But
Speaker 17: I by no means I'm an expert, but general information.
Speaker 17: But you know, I wanted to get back to if
Speaker 17: I could just in the situation with the audit mobile
Speaker 17: and all one has to do is take a look
Speaker 17: at the world. How many people have used vehicles as weapons? Okay,
Speaker 17: it's an obvious issue of throughout Germany, you're wherever you
Speaker 17: want to look. Vehicles have always been used as weapons.
Speaker 1: It's at all and police officers have died in them,
Speaker 1: cars driven into it.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry all the time.
Speaker 17: So split second decision making me. She put herself in
Speaker 17: this situation and unfortunately she.
Speaker 2: Paid a high price for it.
Speaker 17: And then my final comment, and wouldn't mind knowing a
Speaker 17: little bit of your.
Speaker 2: Thoughts on this.
Speaker 17: Let's assume Milwaukee is a city of what maybe two
Speaker 17: million people?
Speaker 2: Would you say, let's say two million, million and a half,
Speaker 2: So you have about five hundred people showing up to
Speaker 2: be worked up and so forth, and then.
Speaker 17: The media calls it chaos. Believe me, five hundred people,
Speaker 17: half who are on payroll is not chaos. I'm not
Speaker 17: diminishing the numbers. But what five hundred, seven hundred and
Speaker 17: fifty were out last night in Milwaukee out of a
Speaker 17: city of maybe two million?
Speaker 6: Yeah, I know, I know, and I think it's safe
Speaker 6: to say that.
Speaker 17: It's orchestrated and the vast majority of the people are
Speaker 17: too busy, trying to make a living, going to work,
Speaker 17: raising kids. All that to be concerned about seven hundred
Speaker 17: and fifty people, half of whom are probably on some
Speaker 17: form of a payroll and picked up the same sign
Speaker 17: they got in Portland.
Speaker 2: Is the same sign they have in Milwaukee? Yep? Any
Speaker 2: sense for my thinking?
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I'll tell you what I think you're I
Speaker 3: gotta let you go, but I'll answer your question. Thank
Speaker 3: you for that call. That was a good call.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean, if you look at it, you do see
Speaker 1: a lot of them with the same kind of signs,
Speaker 1: the same thing. So they're on somebody's payroll. My guess
Speaker 1: it would be Soros or one of his. But you know,
Speaker 1: the thing of it is the media. It's an interesting
Speaker 1: thing to cover, it's an interesting thing to get film on.
Speaker 1: So that's why they flock to it. But he's right,
Speaker 1: people need to keep it in perspective. I mean, these
Speaker 1: are the college professors and the students that the college
Speaker 1: professors get all wound up. They're not I don't believe
Speaker 1: ordinary citizens like we are. You know, that's a statement
Speaker 1: that's pretty general. But uh, you know, they don't have
Speaker 1: real jobs that they have to go to So that's
Speaker 1: just me. Uh, I am going to talk to Terry
Speaker 1: who disagrees with me, which is which is fine. Hey Terry,
Speaker 1: how you doing?
Speaker 14: Hey? My, come on, I listen to you every week.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 14: I know you're not that bad a person because I
Speaker 14: see you on my my cousin's kids fundraising things all
Speaker 14: the time for their church.
Speaker 3: So okay, I think that's my alma mater.
Speaker 18: All right, well, I always see you whenever they got
Speaker 18: a fund raiser on there. With that said, a few thanks,
Speaker 18: I'll run to the quick pamp on tim. That came
Speaker 18: about because the small rural schools up there, sometimes girls
Speaker 18: had to use the boys locker rooms. I've got four
Speaker 18: daughters that play sports. I live in a rural neighborhood. Like,
Speaker 18: if that gets you guys that worked up, you don't
Speaker 18: care about girls sports that much. I know the nickname
Speaker 18: is funny, but well that's just that's just the truth
Speaker 18: of it.
Speaker 1: There, here's the thing that and that's the first I've
Speaker 1: ever heard of that, and I believe, well again, it's
Speaker 1: not really based on anything that I think the reason
Speaker 1: he did it was to play kate those who think
Speaker 1: that men should be in women's sports.
Speaker 3: But you know what, just for the heck of it.
Speaker 3: I'll drill down on that later. But it's an interesting question.
Speaker 3: Ah man, he took off. I wonder why he did that.
Speaker 1: I mean we were they having a decent discussion. Oh man, Well, anyway,
Speaker 1: I tried.
Speaker 3: Let's see, let's talk to Tim. Hey, how you doing, Tim?
Speaker 3: Good morning?
Speaker 1: Tim?
Speaker 5: Are you there?
Speaker 18: Buddy?
Speaker 3: Hello?
Speaker 9: Tim?
Speaker 19: Tim?
Speaker 1: All right, he's out here. Call back Tim if you can.
Speaker 1: Doug in northern Kentucky, Let's talk to him.
Speaker 3: Hey, Doug, how you doing.
Speaker 20: I'm doing?
Speaker 2: Just wonderful.
Speaker 21: Just an observation on my part. I was just at
Speaker 21: the post office in Florence, Kentucky, and there was probably
Speaker 21: thirty to forty African Americans, the elderly. There was an
Speaker 21: African guard applying for post or having a brain cramp.
Speaker 3: Post office sports, oh, passports okay, yeah.
Speaker 21: And that just seemed odd to me because I've never
Speaker 21: been to the post office, and I go there quite often.
Speaker 21: Were more than maybe one or two people were there
Speaker 21: trying to get passports.
Speaker 1: That's interesting. They usually I've gotten a passport. I had
Speaker 1: to a couple of times because of course I lost
Speaker 1: it the first time. You got to go jump through
Speaker 1: some hoops. But it's not that big of a deal.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I mean, maybe it could be a sports team or something.
Speaker 1: I don't know, But you're right, that is a bit unusual.
Speaker 21: It's just that they had one line for general post
Speaker 21: office duties, and then they had another line which was
Speaker 21: out in the main lobby for passports, and they were
Speaker 21: all interested in American and again summoned African garb interesting.
Speaker 21: I just found that. And you just had that woman
Speaker 21: on there, the investigative reporter. I don't know her name, sorry,
Speaker 21: And I just thought that might be something shem want
Speaker 21: looking too.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, and what post off office was it, Doug,
Speaker 3: I don't remember if you say it was Florence, Florence.
Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, well I'll tell you what. If you hear
Speaker 1: anything more, call us back. But that does seem somewhat unusual.
Speaker 21: Yeah, and on your individual you had earlier that wouldn't
Speaker 21: let you talk. Yeah, I just seemed very similar to
Speaker 21: the conversation that the ice agent had with that woman
Speaker 21: who got shot and that guy. It just seemed the
Speaker 21: mind frame of them two people were very similar.
Speaker 3: It is it is, Hey, I appreciate the call.
Speaker 2: Thanks.
Speaker 3: Okay, Doug.
Speaker 1: Well, it's like I've said, I literally mean from the
Speaker 1: first show that I ever did here the arrogance of liberals.
Speaker 1: They're never wrong about anything. They will never consider the
Speaker 1: other person's point of view. They're right, and damn the torpedoes.
Speaker 1: They have a right to do anything that they want
Speaker 1: to further their cause, and that is a big part
Speaker 1: of the problem with these people.
Speaker 3: Okay, let's see. Oh Terry's back. Hey, we lost you.
Speaker 3: How you doing good?
Speaker 9: Hey?
Speaker 14: I don't know what happened there. Sorry, Okay, second thing,
Speaker 14: I guess you can consider me an arrogant liberal. I
Speaker 14: don't consider myself.
Speaker 3: That, but you don't sound eric if you want to categorizing.
Speaker 14: We all agree we.
Speaker 2: Don't like fraud, right, don't like what?
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, do you say fraud roud? Okay, yes, sir,
Speaker 3: we don't.
Speaker 14: Okay. Maybe James Heiseel can do an in depth reporting,
Speaker 14: like a twenty five item reporting on the twenty five
Speaker 14: people that have been convicted of fraud that Trump is
Speaker 14: pardoned this year.
Speaker 3: Fair story. I mean, that's a fair story. I don't
Speaker 3: know that it's twenty five.
Speaker 14: Some of his it might be twenty three.
Speaker 11: You might have me there.
Speaker 14: Okay, some of the people prosecuted, we're prosecuted by his
Speaker 14: own people, and then he parted them.
Speaker 1: I know there's a big one. There's a big fish
Speaker 1: that he pardoned and caught a lot of crap for it.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna drill.
Speaker 14: Down on it and see, all right, last thing, I'll
Speaker 14: go through this past. But you're uniquely qualified because you're
Speaker 14: a prosecutor and a defender. Right, yes, sir, if you're
Speaker 14: a prosecutor, and just say Trump's the head of police.
Speaker 14: And he comes on and says, this guy was so
Speaker 14: brave he got ran over. He's lucky to be alive.
Speaker 14: Everybody saw the video. We know that's not what happened.
Speaker 14: Wendy Vance comes out and says that he has immunity.
Speaker 14: Christy Numb comes out and says that this woman was
Speaker 14: a domestic Harris. There's a third camera, Mike that came
Speaker 14: out yesterday. That's across the street. That's the ring camera. Yeah,
Speaker 14: this woman had been sitting there for less than two
Speaker 14: or three minutes. She's waving the ice guy long. One
Speaker 14: ice guy says, get out a car. One ice guy
Speaker 14: tells her to keep going. There's witnesses that attest to that,
Speaker 14: and the video shows that the guy who shot her,
Speaker 14: who's using a cell phone for whatever reason. I'm sure
Speaker 14: that's not police standard issue. That that guy never was
Speaker 14: touched by that car. It's clear evidence. It's it's out
Speaker 14: there if you want to see it.
Speaker 1: No, I do, and let me ask you. You would
Speaker 1: never let me ask you, Terry. Did you see the
Speaker 1: last one that came out. I think it was last night.
Speaker 1: I mean that's the one that sensed it for me
Speaker 1: that I mean, that's what it looks like where.
Speaker 14: He's holding in his camera. I don't call there's one
Speaker 14: directly behind it is from like a ring doorbell that
Speaker 14: shows it.
Speaker 18: He's not he doesn't get hit.
Speaker 14: Mike, I'm not. I would never want to be a
Speaker 14: cop because I'd never want to be in this situation. Sure,
Speaker 14: but I think it's just really reckless for our leaders
Speaker 14: to come out and say all this stuff instead of
Speaker 14: just waiting, Like if you're the prosecutor, why don't you
Speaker 14: want them to say, like, hey, we're going to review
Speaker 14: all the evidence. You know what, you might be guy
Speaker 14: ran over.
Speaker 1: You might be surprised here, Darren. For the most part,
Speaker 1: I agree with you. I hated to see that. I mean,
Speaker 1: in those kind of things, they can be complex. I
Speaker 1: don't know that this one was. But you know, you
Speaker 1: got to gather the evidence, uh, and put the evidence
Speaker 1: against the law and see if it fits or not.
Speaker 3: I agree with you on that one, but I do
Speaker 3: have to go.
Speaker 1: I appreciate the call, and I appreciate I appreciate, I
Speaker 1: appreciate the stability.
Speaker 14: What's that, miss Glenn Mason?
Speaker 3: I know I missed him a lot.
Speaker 7: Man.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what you debate with that guy, you
Speaker 1: better know what you're talking about. I missing you can
Speaker 1: be how about you be the new Glenn Terry.
Speaker 3: How's that?
Speaker 2: Okay?
Speaker 3: Okay, you too? Thank you? Okay.
Speaker 1: As lawyers say, there's exhibit A as to how to
Speaker 1: conduct a debate, I mean, it wasn't really a debate,
Speaker 1: but back and forth, back and forth, back and forth,
Speaker 1: back and forth. That's how you do it. And I
Speaker 1: appreciate that, and I appreciate his call. I think I
Speaker 1: got time for one more. Mark's been holding on forever.
Speaker 3: Hey Mark, Hey, good morning, Mike.
Speaker 14: How are you.
Speaker 3: I'm good? I'm good.
Speaker 2: What you got, hey?
Speaker 6: A couple of things, you know, I just past week
Speaker 6: got to experience the legal system sitting on a jury
Speaker 6: and making having to make a decision, and a jury
Speaker 6: where the focus of the whole thing and one of
Speaker 6: the key issues was intent, intent of the crime. And
Speaker 6: you know, when you sit there and think about it
Speaker 6: and you put the cop or the officer or whatever
Speaker 6: in that position intent, you know you have to make
Speaker 6: a split second decision of what the intent is. Is
Speaker 6: that person going to shoot you, is that person going
Speaker 6: to hit you?
Speaker 2: What are you going to do?
Speaker 6: And I think it's reckless for anybody to sit there
Speaker 6: and say make a point they knew what's going through
Speaker 6: somebody's mind, because you don't.
Speaker 11: And I think the bottom line.
Speaker 6: Here with all these problems, all these issues that we
Speaker 6: see is that the one one issue here is that
Speaker 6: we have a we have an officer of the law,
Speaker 6: be an ice agent or whatever, who basically gave an
Speaker 6: order to stop, and people not obeying the cop. And
Speaker 6: that's why, that's why we give police officers badges. When
Speaker 6: a cop asked you to do something, you have to
Speaker 6: do it. And if you don't comply, more times than not,
Speaker 6: bad things happen here. And I don't know why that's
Speaker 6: so hard for people to understand that if you have
Speaker 6: a problem, then that's why we have a legal system
Speaker 6: after the fact to go back and see if you
Speaker 6: were wrong. But if a cop tells you to stop,
Speaker 6: you stop. And I don't know how many of these
Speaker 6: instances we've seen, probably most of them, where an officer
Speaker 6: told somebody to do something and they didn't, then it
Speaker 6: escalated into a bigger issue. And that's what I experienced
Speaker 6: in the jury the past week. An officer was told
Speaker 6: told somebody to stop and do something, they didn't comply,
Speaker 6: It got, it got violent, and bad things happen.
Speaker 1: Are you comfortable. Are you comfortable saying what the verdict is.
Speaker 1: I'm just curious. You don't have to if you don't
Speaker 1: want to.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 6: I would say that one, you know one uh one
Speaker 6: charge innocent, others charge guilty.
Speaker 16: Okay, so okay, But again, intent was the big.
Speaker 6: Issue on both of those where one you really couldn't
Speaker 6: determine what the intent was or was And I mean,
Speaker 6: I guess you know the old adages was it the
Speaker 6: unreasonable doubt? And you know, in my opinion, it wasn't.
Speaker 1: Well, you gotta you gotta do what you gotta do.
Speaker 1: I gotta get going here, though, I appreciate you hanging
Speaker 1: in there. I appreciate you serving on a jury. You
Speaker 1: wouldn't believe how many people want to get out of
Speaker 1: doing that.
Speaker 3: So I appreciate you.
Speaker 2: Thanks, Michael, Okay, thank you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what, I figured that that was going
Speaker 1: to come up sometime today. The way, there's a case
Speaker 1: I think it was in the late eighties, Graham versus Connor.
Speaker 1: That's the Supreme Court case that determines liability for police
Speaker 1: officers in these type of things.
Speaker 3: And the Supreme Court was smart enough to.
Speaker 1: Write into their decision you got to view it from
Speaker 1: the officer's perspective. What just like the College just said,
Speaker 1: what is in his mind at the time, and it
Speaker 1: is split second. So anyway, it's Graham versus Connor. It's
Speaker 1: really an unusual case and that it's readable even for attorneys.
Speaker 3: So anyway, Hey, you got to break for the news.
Speaker 3: When we get back, I'm going back to the phones.
Speaker 1: Mike Allen, Saturday Midday, our three of the Saturday Midday
Speaker 1: program got Ken Cobra FOP President coming up at eleven thirty.
Speaker 1: We've got open lines here, but if you would just
Speaker 1: please indulge me, I promise it won't take that long.
Speaker 1: This thing has been sticking in my craw from earlier
Speaker 1: in the week. Do you remember the judge in Milwaukee
Speaker 1: that there was an illegal immigrant in her courtroom. I
Speaker 1: don't even remember what that person was there for, but
Speaker 1: at any rate, the judge shepherded to this guy through
Speaker 1: her back door, and I guess somebody helped him escape
Speaker 1: and they got him. They got him a little bit later.
Speaker 1: But the judge, her actions were just abominable. Well, anyway,
Speaker 1: she lost her job, she left the band. She's trying
Speaker 1: to make herself a hero, saying I'm doing this for
Speaker 1: her exact words, and this is from an up ed
Speaker 1: in the Wall Street Journal. I am pursuing this fight
Speaker 1: for myself and for our independent judiciary, she says, I
Speaker 1: am the subject of unprecedented legal proceedings. I am pursuing
Speaker 1: this fight for myself and our independent judiciary.
Speaker 2: You know what that is?
Speaker 3: Such boy crap.
Speaker 1: She committed a crime, she I believe, went a trial,
Speaker 1: I think I'm not sure was a jury trial, and
Speaker 1: found guilty.
Speaker 3: You can't do that.
Speaker 1: You can't do it as a citizen. You certainly cannot
Speaker 1: do it as a judge.
Speaker 3: And she says.
Speaker 1: At the end of this thing, Judge Dugan says, her
Speaker 1: case threatens the quote independence of our judiciary. And again
Speaker 1: this is the Wall Street Journal op ed. But her
Speaker 1: actions intentionally helped a migrant accused of assault for federal
Speaker 1: law enforcement. Her example is a sad commentary, a sad
Speaker 1: but necessary lesson to other judges who let partisanship trump
Speaker 1: their obligations as officers of the court.
Speaker 3: Well done, Wall Street Journal. This woman is no hero.
Speaker 3: She's no hero whatsoever.
Speaker 1: She's not pursuing the fight for an our dependent judiciary.
Speaker 1: We do have an independent judiciary. Judges can't break the law, though,
Speaker 1: Judge Dugan, and and I'm sorry you lost your job.
Speaker 1: But uh, perhaps judges, if this ever happens again, or
Speaker 1: any elected official, public official is in a position to
Speaker 1: do that, they don't do it. So she's got nobody
Speaker 1: to blame it herself. Okay, let's see. Let's talk to
Speaker 1: fran In Mason. Hey, frank to good good?
Speaker 6: How you doing nor good?
Speaker 11: Hey?
Speaker 10: I was trying to call the three congress people that
Speaker 10: voted to continue to spend money wastelessly. And guess what
Speaker 10: if you try to call a US congress person you're.
Speaker 5: Not going to be able to do it.
Speaker 3: What was this locally, friend or Minnesota? That's this is
Speaker 3: here in Ohio.
Speaker 10: Really, Yeah, you try to call a congress person their
Speaker 10: quote voicemail isn't working.
Speaker 3: That's crazy, man, that's crazy.
Speaker 10: That's crazy.
Speaker 1: Usually, I mean I've done it before, not for a while,
Speaker 1: and boom, I get a real human being right off
Speaker 1: the bat.
Speaker 3: That's an all three.
Speaker 14: Of them, huh, all three of them.
Speaker 10: So just as an fyi, hey, also, just your newscaps
Speaker 10: the news at ten thirty blames the measle epidemic.
Speaker 2: This is WLW reporting this, okay, on.
Speaker 10: People not vaccinating their kids of a disease that was
Speaker 10: eradicated years ago.
Speaker 16: Yeah, it's our fault.
Speaker 10: His parents not to inject young babies for something that
Speaker 10: they didn't need. They didn't blame the twenty million people
Speaker 10: that came from the armpit of the world into our
Speaker 10: country who were not vaccinated, who may carry who knows
Speaker 10: what disease.
Speaker 1: No, I understand that, and I have in the course
Speaker 1: of doing this job a number of times people have
Speaker 1: not agreed with the newscast. The thing of it is
Speaker 1: that's separate from the talk radio part of it. I
Speaker 1: do hear what you're saying, and I appreciate you letting
Speaker 1: me know.
Speaker 2: Yep, Okay, thank you God bless man.
Speaker 3: Okay you two frand thanks.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know.
Speaker 1: There are two separate things, but I get what he's saying. Hey,
Speaker 1: how's about Jay in Centerville? Hey, good morning, Jay?
Speaker 3: How are you Jay there? I'm good, I'm good. What
Speaker 3: you got for me?
Speaker 20: Oh you know, I'm the I'm the one that's the
Speaker 20: people refugee from the people's public Portland. A lot of
Speaker 20: DejaVu with Minnesota. Yeah, craziness. I called it to respectfully
Speaker 20: disagree with your caller. Okay, So two things. I saw
Speaker 20: an overhead view camera where his leg was clearly brushed.
Speaker 3: By the car the police officer.
Speaker 20: So yeah, absolutely, and that's all over Facebook. It's I
Speaker 20: don't know where that shot came from, but it's definitely
Speaker 20: not AI. It's it's real and his leg was hit.
Speaker 20: So the other thing I keep hearing as well, her
Speaker 20: tires will turned to the right, Her tires were turned right.
Speaker 8: He doesn't know that.
Speaker 20: All he knows is that there's and they's been and
Speaker 20: then she's been told to get out to stop. I
Speaker 20: also read that she ran around harassing those guys all
Speaker 20: day for several days prior to this incident. That she's
Speaker 20: a social justice warrior, and you know it's it's her fault,
Speaker 20: but you don't impede a police officer. Now, if I
Speaker 20: saw if I saw a beat cop in downtown Cincinnati
Speaker 20: arresting somebody, and I didn't feel like it was the
Speaker 20: right thing, there's no way I'm getting in the middle
Speaker 20: of that. So why is an ice officer different than
Speaker 20: a beat cop?
Speaker 2: And since that they're not been.
Speaker 20: Brainwashed by the politicians that these people are hurt legitimate
Speaker 20: and she got herself killed.
Speaker 1: And it is a sad thing, But what did the
Speaker 1: Vice president say? It's a tragedy of her own making.
Speaker 1: And it's just obvious to me. And I wasn't convinced
Speaker 1: until last night when I saw that last video because
Speaker 1: the other ones weren't really good angles.
Speaker 3: That's exactly what she tried to do to hit the officer.
Speaker 1: And we talked about it just a minute ago, Graham
Speaker 1: versus Connor, that case stands for the proposition one proposition
Speaker 1: that you got to put yourself in the position of
Speaker 1: that cop at the time it's happening, at the time
Speaker 1: the cops got to make a split second decision.
Speaker 3: You can't second guess.
Speaker 20: So I think it's been he's been hit by a
Speaker 20: car before, exactly.
Speaker 1: I heard that, and you know what, that would be
Speaker 1: factored into it too. But you know, again, I wish
Speaker 1: people could turn the temperature down a litt little bit
Speaker 1: on this thing. But you know what, that's just not
Speaker 1: the way it is in today's day and.
Speaker 3: Age, you know.
Speaker 20: And and how irresponsible is she for having all those
Speaker 20: children go out on the road, leave Colorado, go to
Speaker 20: Minneapolis to go harass police officers, chase them around and
Speaker 20: impede their duties while she has three kids sitting at home.
Speaker 3: It's a hell of an example.
Speaker 17: You know.
Speaker 20: It's a shame.
Speaker 3: I appreciate the call, Thanks Mike, Okay, thank you. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I mean I can't stress it enough. And I dealt
Speaker 3: with it. As a prosecutor.
Speaker 1: You have to put yourself in the position of the
Speaker 1: police officer at the time and at the place where
Speaker 1: the uh, the death happened. You kind of have to
Speaker 1: substitute what he's thinking for what you're thinking. He or
Speaker 1: she and the Supreme Court I think it was the
Speaker 1: mid eighties.
Speaker 3: I'm not sure. Gave us some good guidance on that
Speaker 3: in that case.
Speaker 1: You know what, maybe someday we'll discuss that case, uh
Speaker 1: in detail, because it's interesting and obviously time worthy.
Speaker 17: Uh.
Speaker 1: Tim in Minnesota, Oh wants to talk about Minnesota. I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: sorry I put you in Minnesota?
Speaker 3: Tim? Are you there?
Speaker 4: Tim?
Speaker 3: All right? Hopefully you'll call back. Jeff and Zenia? Hey, Jeff,
Speaker 3: what's up?
Speaker 5: Hey?
Speaker 2: Good morning, Mike.
Speaker 16: Hey.
Speaker 11: Before I get started, I'd like to commend you on
Speaker 11: being one of the talk show hosts there that actually
Speaker 11: take calls, because there's quite.
Speaker 3: A number of them on there.
Speaker 11: I hear the all.
Speaker 3: I hear that a lot.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 11: Well, because also too, you know, we have a voice
Speaker 11: out here too, and everybody's got their opinion on things.
Speaker 11: And I just wish more of them did as much
Speaker 11: as you did, because a lot of them said, don't
Speaker 11: take calls at all, and they have different guests on,
Speaker 11: you know, every time, every day of the week, and
Speaker 11: it's just.
Speaker 1: You know, that's not what talk radio is about, exactly,
Speaker 1: And that's that's I agree with you on that. I mean,
Speaker 1: other guys can do what they want, but I enjoy
Speaker 1: taking calls. I think it's important I.
Speaker 2: Think it is too.
Speaker 11: Besides that, I got to I mean, I've got to
Speaker 11: compliment a couple of other callers too, because as a
Speaker 11: person who lives in the United States, when a cop
Speaker 11: gives you a command, you better listen to them, or,
Speaker 11: as Jdvan says, you put yourself in a position that
Speaker 11: may not turn out well for you and people. You know,
Speaker 11: we're growing up now where you know, all these YouTube
Speaker 11: videos show you what to do if a cop talks
Speaker 11: to you, what stops you, and what you can do,
Speaker 11: what you can't do. And the other thing is too.
Speaker 11: A lot of these people these protests, if they're being paid,
Speaker 11: you know, to do that. They're there for a specific reason,
Speaker 11: and it's not basically to promote happiness and well being.
Speaker 11: They're there to torment as well as agitate as well
Speaker 11: as basically confront the cops just to get a reaction
Speaker 11: so you can have a situation like they did in
Speaker 11: the Cincinnati where they get paid us nice substantial little
Speaker 11: stump some for doing so.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, and I'm sorry, go ahead, go ahead, No,
Speaker 1: go ahead, go ahead. Well I was just going to say,
Speaker 1: I mean, you're absolutely right about that. I wouldn't want
Speaker 1: to be a cop in today's world at all, with
Speaker 1: everything that's going on, and I believe they are getting paid.
Speaker 1: I think I mentioned earlier in the program. I'm watching
Speaker 1: somebody's coverage of it, probably Fox yesterday, and the u
Speaker 1: was a Fox reporter was talking to this person as
Speaker 1: Laura Ingram, that's right, that's right, that's right, And the
Speaker 1: lady said, or a little bit of an argument, and
Speaker 1: the protester said, well, I am working, which indicates to
Speaker 1: me somebody's paying her, probably a George Soros type.
Speaker 11: Person exactly, or she could be working for a company.
Speaker 2: This is.
Speaker 11: Hey, you know you want to go out and protest,
Speaker 11: go ahead, just like a lot of the schools in
Speaker 11: the area too. That yeah, you know, they'll let the
Speaker 11: schools out to go have a little little protest parade,
Speaker 11: you know, because they don't like X, Y or Z.
Speaker 17: You know.
Speaker 11: And wait a minute, I thought when we used to
Speaker 11: go to school, you know, that's what we were going too,
Speaker 11: not to basically go out and do a little parade
Speaker 11: down the street showing hey, we're supporting this or we're
Speaker 11: supporting that.
Speaker 14: You know.
Speaker 11: It's yeah, it's and that shows direct proportion on the
Speaker 11: fact that the teachers now are the ones that are
Speaker 11: cheerleading these students and you know, tell them, Okay, you
Speaker 11: need to be justice warriors.
Speaker 14: You need to do this, and you need to do that.
Speaker 11: And that's another reason why are schools everything else are
Speaker 11: in such the position that they are, is because we're
Speaker 11: not teaching what people need to learn so that they
Speaker 11: go out and actually live life.
Speaker 3: You know, you are so right.
Speaker 1: About a month or so ago, I got on the
Speaker 1: website of the NEA and ac ANYA National Education Association
Speaker 1: at AFT American Federation and Teachers whatever they are.
Speaker 3: Two big unions.
Speaker 1: I did not see one thing about how are we
Speaker 1: going to get our kids to get their test scores up?
Speaker 3: How are we going to teach math? Every time they.
Speaker 1: Open their mouth, it's just all liberal radical politics. They
Speaker 1: ought to do their damn job and bring our math
Speaker 1: and our reading scores up. They are they're completely out
Speaker 1: of control. They don't They could care less about the
Speaker 1: kids they.
Speaker 11: Teach exactly one one quick thing on. I know you've
Speaker 11: got other people, so I'll get going. You know, the
Speaker 11: schools have been having this problem for a long time.
Speaker 11: You know, you've got kids going into college now that
Speaker 11: either can't read aren't up to the snuff of what
Speaker 11: where they should be, and the teachers are the schools
Speaker 11: are looking back. We'll wait a minute, it's not our
Speaker 11: fault all wayminute, bull crap. You're the ones that has
Speaker 11: the responsibility to be teaching these students and you should
Speaker 11: hold them back when they are like COVID, you pushed
Speaker 11: the whole generation through in two years that had no
Speaker 11: business even going up to the next grade because most
Speaker 11: of them are on advance or remote learning and at
Speaker 11: fourth or fifty percent of the time, none of them
Speaker 11: are even showing up for that. So we've got multiple problems.
Speaker 2: But I'll let you go.
Speaker 11: Great show, Mike. I appreciate the fact that you do
Speaker 11: take a lot of calls and you know, keep at it.
Speaker 11: I really appreciate it.
Speaker 1: Okay, jehank you for the call. Let's talk to Bill
Speaker 1: in Kentucky. He wants to talk about paid agitators. Pretty
Speaker 1: much on topic.
Speaker 3: Hey Bill, how you doing, Oh just fine, covering a
Speaker 3: good day.
Speaker 8: Good And but I'll tell you somebody needs to be
Speaker 8: looked into this. You're right, that's a good word. You've
Speaker 8: got a good word for it. And now look up
Speaker 8: against the law. Now, somebody why are these people not
Speaker 8: being investigated and locked up to shut this stuff down?
Speaker 3: Well, I don't know that it's against the law, though, Bill.
Speaker 8: You know, well, I think it is because they're inciting
Speaker 8: agitating violence.
Speaker 1: Man, Well, inciting the violence. That's that's a crime in Ohio.
Speaker 1: But you've got to have a lot to be able
Speaker 1: to prevail on that. But I understand what you're saying, though.
Speaker 8: They somebody's kind of shut these people down. It's it's illegal.
Speaker 8: They could you know, they can all lawyers. They can
Speaker 8: always find a way to shut this stuff down.
Speaker 14: The government can.
Speaker 8: I mean, if anybody can do it, to be the
Speaker 8: government get these people and you know, penalize them. And
Speaker 8: if they find out they've been hire these people to
Speaker 8: go in the middle of the street and do all
Speaker 8: this stuff, they should be locked up there. They're complished, dude,
Speaker 8: they're in charge of.
Speaker 1: I hear you, Bill, I hear you. I appreciate the call.
Speaker 1: I got to try and get a couple more in
Speaker 1: thank you. Yeah, I don't know about that. There might
Speaker 1: be First Amendment issues there. I understand the frustration, believe me.
Speaker 1: And the first thing he asked, don't these people have jobs?
Speaker 1: Because this week It was a lot of it in
Speaker 1: the daytime too, so you know, I don't know that
Speaker 1: it's illegal, but it's very annoying. Let's talk to Randy. Hey, Randy,
Speaker 1: how you.
Speaker 2: Doing pretty good?
Speaker 6: And Mike, how were you good?
Speaker 3: Good?
Speaker 17: Go?
Speaker 14: First time I remember.
Speaker 5: Gotten through and it's nice to be you to get
Speaker 5: through to you because I've known you for years. You
Speaker 5: used to come in my businesses when I was downtown,
Speaker 5: in my Schuber prayer shops.
Speaker 20: Oh yeah, I did a lot, Yes, you did.
Speaker 5: Anyway, I believe our problem is the Democrats is the
Speaker 5: largest criminal organization in the United States. They get away
Speaker 5: with everything they want to get away with.
Speaker 9: Don't we don't.
Speaker 5: Impeach their Democrat president that obviously needed impeached. We got
Speaker 5: Democrat women that come out and say, go do violence
Speaker 5: on the street, and then they get to stay in
Speaker 5: their congressional seats. I don't understand why we're not getting
Speaker 5: rid of these people and getting them out of our government.
Speaker 5: Why should they be allowed to do it? If Trump
Speaker 5: says one thing misleading, there's fifty million pece on it.
Speaker 16: Yeah, it's just media.
Speaker 5: The media is owned by the Democrats.
Speaker 1: But you know what, and you're right, about that, Randy.
Speaker 1: But it's starting to get a little bit better. The
Speaker 1: Washington Post, believe it or not, had an op ed
Speaker 1: this week. I think it was on the Minnesota riots
Speaker 1: or whatever the hell it was, but they actually took
Speaker 1: not a moderate tone. It was actually a conservative tone.
Speaker 1: Little cracks are starting to happen. Uh But boy, I
Speaker 1: tell you, it's that that comes on top of years
Speaker 1: and years and years of outright bias. And I've been
Speaker 1: watching this stuff for a long time. It's better now
Speaker 1: than it used to be. But hey, I'm bumping up
Speaker 1: against the news here though. I appreciate the call, Randy.
Speaker 5: All Micha, Well, thank you for taking my call. I
Speaker 5: have a great thing.
Speaker 1: Okay, you too, thank you. Yeah, it's better than it was.
Speaker 1: I think I've said before. Back in the day, all
Speaker 1: you had ABC, NBC, CBS, that's it, and all we
Speaker 1: had was the National Review. It's a lot better now,
Speaker 1: thank god for Fox News. All Right, we got to
Speaker 1: take a break, but when we get back, we're going
Speaker 1: to talk to FOP president Ken Kober. I got some
Speaker 1: questions for him about this whole situation with paying off
Speaker 1: a family that tried to kill a cop and did
Speaker 1: kill a cop, the young one I think tried, but
Speaker 1: Sergeant Henderson was brutally murdered in the city of Cincinnati.
Speaker 3: At least some of them want to give that family
Speaker 3: some money.
Speaker 1: No, no, anyway, I'm going to talk to Ken about
Speaker 1: that when we get back, Mike Allen, Saturday Midday.
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Speaker 1: Fox nineteen reported earlier in the week that FOP President
Speaker 1: Ken Kober says Cincinnati City Manager Cheryl Long is quote
Speaker 1: scheming to secretly pay close quote the family of Rodney
Speaker 1: Hinton quote potentially millions in a settlement close quote over.
Speaker 3: The death of his son Ryan.
Speaker 1: This thing's got the entire town talking and well, at
Speaker 1: the end of the day, in my opinion, at least
Speaker 1: it comes down to what's right and what's wrong.
Speaker 3: The president is here, Ken, thanks so much for calling in.
Speaker 2: Sure Mike, thanks for having me.
Speaker 1: Uh, can you say as much as you can say
Speaker 1: about how this how this whole thing went down, because
Speaker 1: the city manager denies that it happened. I think I
Speaker 1: know who I believe, but can you kind of give
Speaker 1: us an overview of that and then we'll talk about
Speaker 1: the substance of it.
Speaker 9: Sure.
Speaker 2: So, I had a source from city hall that called
Speaker 2: me Thursday afternoon. Uh, made me aware that this is
Speaker 2: what's going on. You know, the city managers trying to
Speaker 2: settle and they actually had a tentative agreement, and that
Speaker 2: the city managers trying to keep this quiet and they
Speaker 2: were just going to kind of get this done, you know,
Speaker 2: out of the view of the public, which obviously was
Speaker 2: confirmed by Councilman Cramerton where he said we're going to
Speaker 2: be getting an update. We're going to talk about this
Speaker 2: in executive session. For those that don't know what executive
Speaker 2: session is, they kick the public out, you know, they
Speaker 2: have an executive session literally means that it's it's all protected,
Speaker 2: there's there's notes taken. The people inside are not supposed
Speaker 2: to discuss what happened or what's going to happen, And
Speaker 2: they said, he confirmed that. And if you look at
Speaker 2: the city manager's statement that she put out, she didn't
Speaker 2: deny that there are negotiations. She claims there's a tentative agreement. However,
Speaker 2: I was able to confirm that as I spoke to
Speaker 2: one of the officers involved that was the law department
Speaker 2: reached out to them to let them know that a
Speaker 2: tentative agreement had been reached.
Speaker 1: Let me ask you this, I mean, are you in
Speaker 1: a position to say what that agreement was? I don't
Speaker 1: want you to violate any any kind of trust or anything,
Speaker 1: but I thought i'd ask no.
Speaker 2: And that's the problem is. I started reaching out to
Speaker 2: council members. I go, hey, I understand there's there's some agreements,
Speaker 2: settlement agreements and reached. What do we talk about? How
Speaker 2: much money is this? And these council members are like,
Speaker 2: what are you talking about? She has no idea, you know,
Speaker 2: so we could say, you say that it's not secretive,
Speaker 2: but why does the city council know about this?
Speaker 1: That is, I'm telling you what that they don't know
Speaker 1: what the hell is going on down there? The left
Speaker 1: hand doesn't know what the right hand's doing. It's not
Speaker 1: just this, it's a hell of a lot of things.
Speaker 1: But I'm sure you know you've got two council members
Speaker 1: on that council that boy came out strongly in your favor,
Speaker 1: Jeff Kramerton and Seth Walsh. I mean, did you get
Speaker 1: to read what they had to say about it?
Speaker 2: Yeah, Actually, not not only those two, but Councilman Jefferies.
Speaker 2: He actually reached out to me Thursday night.
Speaker 3: Oh okay, And so.
Speaker 2: Ken, I'm completely against this. This is absolutely wrong and
Speaker 2: I'm against it. We shouldn't be doing this, and we're
Speaker 2: going to do what we have to do to stop this.
Speaker 2: And then, as well as I've been told, I haven't
Speaker 2: been able to confirm this yet that Scotti Johnson as
Speaker 2: well as against this. I don't know how any council
Speaker 2: member can be for this.
Speaker 3: I don't either.
Speaker 1: I mean, I just want to read one or two
Speaker 1: sentences about what council Member Walsh said, because he said
Speaker 1: it so well. It is a tremendous disrespect to the
Speaker 1: families involved, and to make a public spectacle out of
Speaker 1: a tragedy, I think it's unconsionable for the City of
Speaker 1: Cincinnati to be considering a settlement without the full deliberation
Speaker 1: of council. The tragedy that unfolded and made devastated our community,
Speaker 1: and is our responsibility to heal the wreckage, not to
Speaker 1: create more division and kremiting. Statement was strong as well,
Speaker 1: So obviously you do have some support there. Let's talk
Speaker 1: about the guts of it, though, Ken, I mean, it's
Speaker 1: bizarre when you think about it. The legislative body, Cincinnati
Speaker 1: City Council and the city Manager are apparent, and some
Speaker 1: on Council, not all, are apparently thinking about giving a
Speaker 1: settlement to a family whose family member killed a police officer,
Speaker 1: a deputy sheriff up there at UC directing traffic, Sergeant
Speaker 1: Anderson in just the most horrible way possible. A lot
Speaker 1: of people are scratching their heads on this one, Ken, saying,
Speaker 1: what the hell are they thinking?
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, you know, I've been around a police
Speaker 2: department near the twenty six years and one of the
Speaker 2: hardest things that I had to do Thursday before I
Speaker 2: went to the media to talk about this. What's contacting
Speaker 2: the Hendersons and letting them know, Hey, this, this is
Speaker 2: what's gonna happen. I didn't want them to see this
Speaker 2: in the media. First. I wanted them to be able
Speaker 2: to hear it before it got out there, that this
Speaker 2: was this is a potential, you know, thing that was
Speaker 2: going on, and that that they also had my support
Speaker 2: that I was going to do everything that I can
Speaker 2: to stop this from happening. And they, certainly you were thankful,
Speaker 2: and they're the same way. They're they're scratching their head,
Speaker 2: going how how can they possibly do this? It just
Speaker 2: doesn't make any sense. It only further, you know, you know,
Speaker 2: it has the emotions running high, victimizes, you know, the
Speaker 2: Henderson's even further, it's not enough. You know that Deputy
Speaker 2: Henderson was viciously murdered. Yep, and now on top of it,
Speaker 2: we're somehow going to give a settlement to this family
Speaker 2: if it doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 3: Do you think the votes are on enough votes are
Speaker 3: on council to stop it?
Speaker 2: I certainly hope.
Speaker 3: So.
Speaker 2: Yeah. My understanding talking to some of these council members
Speaker 2: is they're going to do everything they can uh to
Speaker 2: make sure if this gets brought to a vote, which
Speaker 2: I certainly hope it does, that they're going to have
Speaker 2: the moral compass to vote against us.
Speaker 1: They have to, and now I know some of them will,
Speaker 1: you know, they'll pontificate and say, hey, you know, we
Speaker 1: had to do this because we didn't want to go
Speaker 1: to trial and get hit with a huge judgment, which
Speaker 1: they would not.
Speaker 9: Uh.
Speaker 3: But it'll be interesting to see at the end of
Speaker 3: the day.
Speaker 1: Obviously, I hope that it all comes out that they said, well,
Speaker 1: that was a bad idea, We're not going to do it. Uh,
Speaker 1: they do go, as you mentioned, going to executive session.
Speaker 1: It's Monday. Do you expect to have some resolution or
Speaker 1: maybe getting close to a resolution by the.
Speaker 3: End of the day.
Speaker 2: I certainly hope. So, you know, I hope the resolution
Speaker 2: is we're going to fight. We're going to port these
Speaker 2: officers and we're going to fight this. And I'll be
Speaker 2: honest with you, you know, years down the day if
Speaker 2: they want to file aallsuit, file a lawsuit. Years down
Speaker 2: the road, if a judge somehow determines that the hint
Speaker 2: and family should be paid. Now, I can live with that,
Speaker 2: but I can't live with the city saying no, we're
Speaker 2: just going to settle. They should fight this. They should
Speaker 2: show the Cincinai police officers, especially when you had, you know,
Speaker 2: a new prosecutor that investigated this, went over all the
Speaker 2: evidence for weeks, and then determine that the officers did
Speaker 2: absolutely nothing wrong. They followed their training, they followed the law.
Speaker 2: That's what're fighting for.
Speaker 3: You're absolutely right about.
Speaker 1: She obviously made the right call, and in some cases
Speaker 1: they'll send it to grand jury and let them decide
Speaker 1: the grand jury of course, you know, as a tool
Speaker 1: of a prosecutor. But she made a strong decision and
Speaker 1: for her and her party it may not have been
Speaker 1: particularly popular, but she did the right thing. I mean,
Speaker 1: I think overall, I think she's doing a really good
Speaker 1: job for whatever my opinion is worth. But she made
Speaker 1: the right call on this one. It should have been
Speaker 1: case closed. But you know how that goes in government,
Speaker 1: especially Cincinnati City Council. What's the feeling among the street
Speaker 1: cops can about this. I mean, let's just say a
Speaker 1: new officer on a couple of years or something like that,
Speaker 1: and they got to be scratching her head too.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I've had officers not only from the Cincinnati Police Department,
Speaker 2: but from the Sheriff's Department expressing their support for me
Speaker 2: to bring this to light, to fight this because they're
Speaker 2: they're they're beyond just being mad. I mean, they are
Speaker 2: absolutely just frustrated. I mean they can't believe that something
Speaker 2: like this would happen. And then the Sincinoni police officers
Speaker 2: they're saying the same thing, like wa just said, what
Speaker 2: are we doing? This isn't just this isn't just a
Speaker 2: criminal that was shot and killed by a police officer.
Speaker 2: This family the next day went out and viciously murdered
Speaker 2: a sheriff's deputy that had nothing to do with any
Speaker 2: of this. So this isn't just about paying somebody that
Speaker 2: was committing crimes that ended up dying because they made
Speaker 2: some really really poor choices and put an officer in
Speaker 2: danger who had to save their own life. It's what
Speaker 2: happened the next day that makes us even more egregious.
Speaker 2: And I can tell you there are a lot of
Speaker 2: officers that are absolutely furious that are paying attention to
Speaker 2: what's going on. And when we talk about you know,
Speaker 2: city council and the city administrations, and while we support
Speaker 2: the police that we've given you guys raises, we've done
Speaker 2: recruit classes, those are all things that they should be
Speaker 2: doing anyway. Yep, you're right, about that, but standing up now,
Speaker 2: standing up now and saying, you know what, if they
Speaker 2: want to sue a sue us, We're going to defend
Speaker 2: these officers and we're going to make sure that everything
Speaker 2: comes out. And at the end of the day it
Speaker 2: judge goes, I'm dismissing this case.
Speaker 1: I don't agree with this, you know, And at some
Speaker 1: point even politicians have to take a stand and make
Speaker 1: a principal decision. And boy, this is like exhibit A
Speaker 1: for that. And I guess we'll have to wait and see.
Speaker 1: I did want to ask you too about Chief Fiji.
Speaker 1: I guess the story now is the law firm that
Speaker 1: was hired, which is a good law firm, making no
Speaker 1: versions on casting those versions on them, said well we
Speaker 1: couldn't find anything. City council said, well, take about another month,
Speaker 1: you know, and see what she can do. I mean
Speaker 1: that's how it appears to me, and I think that's
Speaker 1: how it appears to the general public too. I mean
Speaker 1: she's getting screwed.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I understand this isn't This isn't a city
Speaker 2: council saying take more time. This is my city administration.
Speaker 2: This is a city manager saying okay, well, We're going
Speaker 2: to take some more time to think about this. It's
Speaker 2: it's absolutely insane. I mean, they found nothing. All they
Speaker 2: found is, oh, there's a couple officers that don't like
Speaker 2: the chiefs. Well, you know that's been going on as
Speaker 2: long as police departments have existed. You know, there's some
Speaker 2: people are going to like the chief, some people are
Speaker 2: not going to like the chief. The bottom line is
Speaker 2: there is no just cause to fire her, and now
Speaker 2: they're in such a predicament that what are they going
Speaker 2: to do?
Speaker 3: Yep?
Speaker 2: The only answer for them to do is to pay
Speaker 2: her some kind of of retirement package.
Speaker 3: To retire.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because anything short of that, there's no scenario where
Speaker 2: she's going to come back. You know, that's just who
Speaker 2: would want to work in these toxic canis after you know,
Speaker 2: they're questioning your effectiveness and all of a sudden they
Speaker 2: find nothing. How do you come back in and work
Speaker 2: for these same people?
Speaker 17: No?
Speaker 1: I get it, I get you know what, And if
Speaker 1: there is a settlement, they're going to have to back
Speaker 1: the Brinks truck up down at City Hall because she's
Speaker 1: going to tag them butt good. She's got great counsel
Speaker 1: on it. I mean, I hope and I had her
Speaker 1: family in here. Was it last week or maybe the
Speaker 1: weekend before talking about it. She's got a pretty darn
Speaker 1: good record too, is chief. And some of the things
Speaker 1: that she's done, it just it makes no sense. It
Speaker 1: makes the city look stupid, It makes the city look petty.
Speaker 1: And as you and I have talked a number of times,
Speaker 1: but for Issue five and taking away civil service protection
Speaker 1: for the chief and the lieutenant colonels, we wouldn't be
Speaker 1: having this conversation.
Speaker 3: I don't think.
Speaker 2: No, you're right, But if we can give eight point
Speaker 2: one million dollars to people that were violently protesting in
Speaker 2: twenty twenty, well, then certainly we can give somebody who
Speaker 2: has an impeccable record for thirty five years that has
Speaker 2: been treated wrong. We can certainly make sure that they
Speaker 2: can live a comfortable retirement. Yep, you would think so.
Speaker 2: You know, I was talking to somebody this week. I
Speaker 2: forget who it was, about being a police officer and
Speaker 2: recruitment and things like that. Today, I think ken and
Speaker 2: you correct me if I'm wrong. Last time we talked,
Speaker 2: I think you said that they had openings the city
Speaker 2: did have money for I don't know it was a
Speaker 2: class of thirty or something like that, and they couldn't
Speaker 2: fill that class, which just was mind boggling compared to
Speaker 2: how it used to be. Was the city able to
Speaker 2: find these police officers so they can put that class on?
Speaker 11: No?
Speaker 2: So, is this lateral class that they financed for thirty
Speaker 2: officers is going to start here at the end of
Speaker 2: the month. Oh good with seven officers?
Speaker 4: What?
Speaker 2: Oh man?
Speaker 3: I thought you were going to say the full compliment.
Speaker 3: That is just the bizarro world for somebody who's as
Speaker 3: old as me, And you're not as old as me
Speaker 3: by any stretch, but I'm sure you remember it too.
Speaker 1: That damn convention center was backed to the gills. There
Speaker 1: are a couple thousand people there that wanted.
Speaker 3: To be cops.
Speaker 2: You know, when I took the test in early two thousands,
Speaker 2: there were about four thousand people that took the test,
Speaker 2: and out of the four thousand, they chiseled that down
Speaker 2: to a list of approximately one hundred officers. Out of
Speaker 2: four thousand, that's what they hired, one hundred. They had
Speaker 2: two classes of roughly fifty, and then they had another
Speaker 2: test the following year where they had another three or
Speaker 2: four thousand people take the test. And now if we
Speaker 2: can get four or five hundred people to take a test,
Speaker 2: we're lucky.
Speaker 3: And that's just sad.
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously it's an honorable profession and it shouldn't
Speaker 1: be that way.
Speaker 3: But you know what, I don't blame young people at all.
Speaker 1: I mean, my goodness, look at the situation in Minneapolis,
Speaker 1: and I wanted to ask you. If you don't want
Speaker 1: to talk about this, I get it, but I wanted
Speaker 1: to ask you your thoughts on what went on out
Speaker 1: there this week and the decision with respect to the
Speaker 1: ice officer using deadly force. Uh A damn suv is
Speaker 1: headed right at you. Do you have any thoughts on
Speaker 1: that at all that you'd like to share?
Speaker 17: Well?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's clear that now that more of
Speaker 2: these videos are coming out, that this officer was struck
Speaker 2: by this vehicle. You know, should that officer have been
Speaker 2: in front of the vehicle if you watch the video,
Speaker 2: at least some of the videos that I've seen, you know,
Speaker 2: he was going around the vehicle, looking at it, looking
Speaker 2: at the license plate, some of these things. I don't
Speaker 2: think he'd believed for a second that this person was
Speaker 2: just going to take off.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 2: You know there's certain situations where, of course you have
Speaker 2: to be mindful of somebody that's in a vehicle, but
Speaker 2: the vehicles parked, And I don't I don't believe in
Speaker 2: Like I said, I can't possibly know what was going
Speaker 2: through this officer's mind. But you know, one would assume, Okay,
Speaker 2: at the vehicle's park I'm walking around it, you know,
Speaker 2: I do I want to stay in front of it.
Speaker 2: He was clearly moving. Wasn't like he was just standing
Speaker 2: in front of it, putting his hand up like you
Speaker 2: should stop right, you know, But police thing, it is difficult.
Speaker 2: You know, things happened in a split second and before
Speaker 2: you know it, you have a vehicle coming at you
Speaker 2: and you're trying to get the heck out of the
Speaker 2: way exactly. So this officer did what he thought he
Speaker 2: had to do to save his own life. That's what
Speaker 2: he did. So we'll see what the interviews say. But ultimately,
Speaker 2: you know, these officers, they have a right to protect themselves,
Speaker 2: especially when you have a vehicle coming at you. Yeah,
Speaker 2: the Supreme Court has said this time after time. If
Speaker 2: you just look at the officer from Blendon Township that
Speaker 2: was just on trial for murder up in Franklin, County
Speaker 2: that was just acquitted by a jury for a very
Speaker 2: very similar circumstance. So clearly that jury said, no, we're
Speaker 2: falling the law. This officer fall the law. I don't
Speaker 2: see that this is any different.
Speaker 3: I don't either.
Speaker 1: And we talked earlier in the show with a caller
Speaker 1: about Graham versus Connor, which I'm sure you know is
Speaker 1: the Supreme Court case that says, among other things, that
Speaker 1: in judging these things, you have to put yourself in
Speaker 1: the position of that officer at the exact moment and
Speaker 1: before the death happened. You can't substitute your opinion for
Speaker 1: what he or she should have done. I mean, I
Speaker 1: can't imagine being in a split second thing like that,
Speaker 1: where you know, I'll wait a minute, what do I
Speaker 1: do while the car runs over you? But I want
Speaker 1: to ask you one more question. I'm just curious about this.
Speaker 1: Take Minnesota. You got Ice there aggressively but appropriately doing
Speaker 1: their job. Then you have the Minneapolis police who are,
Speaker 1: from what I can see, working against Ice, and they
Speaker 1: were interviewing the cheap the other day, and you know,
Speaker 1: I'm just thinking.
Speaker 3: These are cops. Cops stick up for each other, cops
Speaker 3: cover over for each other.
Speaker 1: Does that put those local police officers beat cops in
Speaker 1: Minneapolis in a bad place?
Speaker 3: I would think that it would.
Speaker 2: Well, sure it does, because you have what your oath says,
Speaker 2: what you swore to do, right, do you swore to
Speaker 2: protect the constitution? You swore to enforce laws, and then
Speaker 2: now you have politicians saying, well, I don't like this law,
Speaker 2: so I don't want you to enforce it. The answer is,
Speaker 2: if they don't like these laws, why don't they go
Speaker 2: petition these lawmakers and change the law. That's how it's
Speaker 2: done in a civilized society. It's not no, well we're
Speaker 2: not going to enforce this law because we don't like it.
Speaker 2: We don't get that. We don't get that opportunity. We
Speaker 2: don't get to be able to say I don't like
Speaker 2: this law, I'm not going to enforce it. That is
Speaker 2: absolutely wrong thing to do. They should be going to Washington, DC,
Speaker 2: on Capitol Hill and telling these lawmakers we don't like this,
Speaker 2: we don't like what's going on, we don't like these laws.
Speaker 2: We demand you change them. That's how things are done
Speaker 2: in a civilized society. Yeah, and it's the way it
Speaker 2: used to be done in this country. Too.
Speaker 1: I mean, what do you think about the street cop,
Speaker 1: you know, getting directions from on high Hey, you can't
Speaker 1: cooperate with ICE blah blah blah. And police officers being
Speaker 1: who they are and what they are, they want to
Speaker 1: cover over for their fellow officers. But they're in a
Speaker 1: really difficult position.
Speaker 2: I guess well they are. But you know, thankfully, especially
Speaker 2: something like that here happened in Cincinnati, you have a
Speaker 2: collective bargaining agreement, you have the FOP that is going
Speaker 2: to stand up for you when you do the right thing,
Speaker 2: and it's just it's a shame that these things are
Speaker 2: even going on. And this is you know, we went
Speaker 2: through this earlier in twenty twenty five where Mayor Pureval
Speaker 2: came out and said, yeah, we're not helping ICE, and
Speaker 2: I immediately put out a press relief saying, oh, yes
Speaker 2: we will, we absolutely will, because we're sworn to do this.
Speaker 3: Yeh.
Speaker 2: And thankfully I will say. Mayor Pureval said, listen, if
Speaker 2: they're doing it within the confines of the wall, I
Speaker 2: get it. These officers should be doing these things. It's
Speaker 2: not like we're not going out looking for you undocumented
Speaker 2: people that are that aren't here that's just we have many,
Speaker 2: many other things to be doing, and that's not the
Speaker 2: mission of local law enforcement. However, if a federal agency
Speaker 2: comes and says, hey, we need help, you best believe
Speaker 2: ever since a police officer's work, and if they hear
Speaker 2: a call for help, they're going to go there. You
Speaker 2: get how it is.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that doesn't surprise me. I just wish it was
Speaker 3: that way throughout the country.
Speaker 1: But hey, I really appreciate this, Ken, and I'm going
Speaker 1: to be watching this closely to see what happens with
Speaker 1: this whole situation with the settlement, and we'll talk again.
Speaker 16: Sure sounds good, Mike, thanks for having Okay, thank you.
Speaker 1: All right, that was FOP President Ken Kober. Well, I'll
Speaker 1: tell you what he is, really a good FOP president.
Speaker 1: He has the needs of his officers, puts it first
Speaker 1: and that sort of good FOP president has to do.
Speaker 1: CPD is lucky to have him. All Right, Well, that's
Speaker 1: it for me. I will be I think I'm in
Speaker 1: for Sloany on Tuesday this week, but of course i'll
Speaker 1: be back next Saturday for Saturday Midday.
Speaker 3: Mike Allen seven hundred WLW