1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:00,560 Speaker 1: Here he is. 2 00:00:00,600 --> 00:00:02,240 Speaker 2: I heard this guy on the air with Ian for 3 00:00:02,320 --> 00:00:05,040 Speaker 2: Nest driving in today and I thought it was good, 4 00:00:05,320 --> 00:00:05,560 Speaker 2: thought it. 5 00:00:05,600 --> 00:00:08,360 Speaker 1: Was really good. I just wanted a little more. 6 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:11,920 Speaker 2: I always find myself wanting more, and so we're bringing 7 00:00:11,960 --> 00:00:14,280 Speaker 2: him back humelling for a little more at four right 8 00:00:14,320 --> 00:00:17,280 Speaker 2: here on a free agent Monday on ninety three three KJRFM. 9 00:00:17,320 --> 00:00:19,840 Speaker 1: How are you, man, I'm doing well, guys. Good to 10 00:00:19,840 --> 00:00:20,240 Speaker 1: be with you. 11 00:00:20,360 --> 00:00:22,960 Speaker 2: God, lot's going on, dude, this is bananas. I mean 12 00:00:23,120 --> 00:00:25,200 Speaker 2: I almost feel like just giving you the floor and 13 00:00:25,239 --> 00:00:27,760 Speaker 2: you can respond to whatever you want. I mean, just 14 00:00:27,840 --> 00:00:30,240 Speaker 2: updating people that are tuning in right now. Kenny Walker 15 00:00:30,320 --> 00:00:33,200 Speaker 2: is going to Kansas City. Boy Mafe got twenty million 16 00:00:33,200 --> 00:00:35,920 Speaker 2: a year from the Bengals, Kobe Bryant going to the Bears, 17 00:00:36,040 --> 00:00:39,280 Speaker 2: Josh Jobes coming back here, and maybe the biggest stunner 18 00:00:39,320 --> 00:00:41,320 Speaker 2: of all just coming down here in the last twenty 19 00:00:41,360 --> 00:00:45,840 Speaker 2: minutes or so, Rashid Shaheed seventeen million bucks a year 20 00:00:46,280 --> 00:00:47,920 Speaker 2: to come back to the Seahawks. 21 00:00:47,920 --> 00:00:48,440 Speaker 1: How about that? 22 00:00:49,440 --> 00:00:53,680 Speaker 3: Well, I feel like he is We're talking about, obviously 23 00:00:53,720 --> 00:00:57,240 Speaker 3: in two different spheres, his contributions on offense and then 24 00:00:57,960 --> 00:01:00,320 Speaker 3: in the return game. Just a thought about his the 25 00:01:00,440 --> 00:01:06,240 Speaker 3: kickoff return. There the Seahawks had eighty three kickoff returns 26 00:01:06,640 --> 00:01:09,920 Speaker 3: over the regular season and post that's four point one 27 00:01:09,959 --> 00:01:13,440 Speaker 3: to five per game. Uh, there were fifty eight of 28 00:01:13,440 --> 00:01:17,319 Speaker 3: those of a return, which which means we've got twenty 29 00:01:17,360 --> 00:01:24,040 Speaker 3: five touchbacks. Four happened before you acquired Rashichi Head, twenty 30 00:01:24,120 --> 00:01:29,960 Speaker 3: one happened after, and of the twenty one, seventeen were 31 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:33,000 Speaker 3: by the Rams. So the Rams want no part of 32 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:35,440 Speaker 3: that smoke. Now, you could say there's a lot of 33 00:01:35,440 --> 00:01:37,440 Speaker 3: returns by the Rams because the Rams were scoring a 34 00:01:37,480 --> 00:01:39,320 Speaker 3: lot of points at at that point. Is not lost 35 00:01:39,360 --> 00:01:42,000 Speaker 3: on us. But in any event, I think, you know, 36 00:01:42,040 --> 00:01:46,240 Speaker 3: you start to to really dive into this. I mean 37 00:01:46,280 --> 00:01:50,720 Speaker 3: the average for the NFL all teams, the average starting 38 00:01:50,800 --> 00:01:55,360 Speaker 3: position on a on a kickoff return that is not 39 00:01:55,520 --> 00:01:59,520 Speaker 3: a touchback is the twenty nine and a half. The 40 00:01:59,560 --> 00:02:05,040 Speaker 3: Seahawks led the NFL at thirty No, no, no, they 41 00:02:05,040 --> 00:02:06,680 Speaker 3: did not lead the NFL. Sorry, so I was looking 42 00:02:06,680 --> 00:02:08,440 Speaker 3: at different but they were at thirty one point seven. 43 00:02:08,480 --> 00:02:10,400 Speaker 3: Got me, all right? So NFL averaged, you're at the 44 00:02:10,440 --> 00:02:12,919 Speaker 3: twenty nine and a half yard line. Okay, you start 45 00:02:13,440 --> 00:02:17,240 Speaker 3: obviously with a touchback. Now you start at the thirty five. 46 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:21,400 Speaker 3: So let's just use round numbers. You're getting five yards 47 00:02:21,880 --> 00:02:25,720 Speaker 3: per you know, five and a half yards per return 48 00:02:26,320 --> 00:02:29,160 Speaker 3: when teams do not want to kick to him. And 49 00:02:29,560 --> 00:02:32,200 Speaker 3: you saw that even in through the Super Bowl. So 50 00:02:32,320 --> 00:02:34,240 Speaker 3: you know, if you have a little over four, you 51 00:02:34,240 --> 00:02:37,760 Speaker 3: know you're you're talking. You know that that's twenty something 52 00:02:37,880 --> 00:02:43,519 Speaker 3: yards per return that he's giving you, just on returns 53 00:02:43,520 --> 00:02:44,440 Speaker 3: that he doesn't return. 54 00:02:44,639 --> 00:02:46,480 Speaker 1: You stat he liked this deal. You a fan of it. 55 00:02:48,200 --> 00:02:51,600 Speaker 3: I'm surprised. I thought he'd be gone. I think that 56 00:02:51,720 --> 00:02:54,839 Speaker 3: his camp thought they'd be at about twenty million or more. 57 00:02:55,280 --> 00:02:57,960 Speaker 3: So at seventeen million, I think that his camp was 58 00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:03,240 Speaker 3: a little bit surprise. But I think that this maybe 59 00:03:03,280 --> 00:03:06,160 Speaker 3: we'll see if how the story is broken and how 60 00:03:06,160 --> 00:03:09,320 Speaker 3: it's told. But it's possible that that this is one 61 00:03:09,360 --> 00:03:12,040 Speaker 3: of those where they said, hey, we'll kind of shop 62 00:03:12,120 --> 00:03:16,560 Speaker 3: around and you know, in an informal way, we'll give you, 63 00:03:16,560 --> 00:03:20,480 Speaker 3: you know, right a refusal, an opportunity to match. You 64 00:03:20,480 --> 00:03:23,000 Speaker 3: know that that could well have happened. But at seventeen million, 65 00:03:23,040 --> 00:03:25,679 Speaker 3: I think I think that's a little bit under what 66 00:03:25,880 --> 00:03:28,200 Speaker 3: he thought. I think Walker thought he was going to 67 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:35,520 Speaker 3: be right at fifteen million his camp and and and so, so, yeah, 68 00:03:35,600 --> 00:03:41,360 Speaker 3: you get him back. I'm concerned about what he brings 69 00:03:41,400 --> 00:03:44,400 Speaker 3: on the offense. If you take the all twelve games 70 00:03:44,440 --> 00:03:47,920 Speaker 3: counting regular season and playoffs, his two hundred and sixty 71 00:03:47,920 --> 00:03:53,360 Speaker 3: six yards extrapolated over a seventeen game seven season would 72 00:03:53,360 --> 00:03:56,160 Speaker 3: be three hundred and seventy seven yards. That's that's not 73 00:03:56,280 --> 00:04:00,000 Speaker 3: a lot. Now, what are you paying for? As I 74 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:02,880 Speaker 3: as I'm been trying to process this since the news 75 00:04:02,920 --> 00:04:06,360 Speaker 3: came out, Cooper Cup is not a fast player at 76 00:04:06,400 --> 00:04:10,360 Speaker 3: all at this stage in his career, and I feel 77 00:04:10,360 --> 00:04:14,240 Speaker 3: like there's probably a desire to have that speed. 78 00:04:13,960 --> 00:04:15,520 Speaker 4: On the field. Now. 79 00:04:15,880 --> 00:04:19,200 Speaker 3: He did not tilt coverage the way DK Metcalf had, 80 00:04:19,480 --> 00:04:23,640 Speaker 3: as Chris Collins were said, DK Metcalf has the gravitational 81 00:04:23,680 --> 00:04:28,960 Speaker 3: pull of a planet, right and and uh and and 82 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:31,000 Speaker 3: so we have not seen that yet. 83 00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:32,680 Speaker 4: But but I think. 84 00:04:32,480 --> 00:04:35,960 Speaker 3: That with a year an off season to uh to 85 00:04:36,040 --> 00:04:40,880 Speaker 3: get in sync with with Sam Darnold, you know, his 86 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:43,760 Speaker 3: impact could be. You know, I certainly expect more than 87 00:04:43,760 --> 00:04:46,960 Speaker 3: three hundred and seventy seven yards. I certainly expect more 88 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:49,400 Speaker 3: than one catch where the ball was in the air, 89 00:04:50,560 --> 00:04:54,400 Speaker 3: more than than than twenty two yards his jersey number, 90 00:04:54,520 --> 00:04:56,400 Speaker 3: which is the case. There's only one catch that he 91 00:04:56,440 --> 00:04:59,320 Speaker 3: had all year that was that was that the Yes, Yeah, 92 00:04:59,520 --> 00:05:01,560 Speaker 3: that was the third six are yards. That was the 93 00:05:01,600 --> 00:05:04,400 Speaker 3: only one of the entire season that he caught that 94 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:06,520 Speaker 3: was twenty two yards or more. 95 00:05:07,320 --> 00:05:08,040 Speaker 4: And here we were. 96 00:05:07,960 --> 00:05:10,520 Speaker 5: Talking about that earlier because then there was another one 97 00:05:10,520 --> 00:05:12,640 Speaker 5: in the Super Bowl that was so close. So you 98 00:05:12,760 --> 00:05:16,520 Speaker 5: think that an off season with Sam and Shahied that 99 00:05:16,560 --> 00:05:18,960 Speaker 5: can get ironed out and we can see quite a 100 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:20,000 Speaker 5: few of those next year. 101 00:05:20,880 --> 00:05:24,320 Speaker 3: Yes, that that should happen. I mean, he's gonna pick 102 00:05:24,400 --> 00:05:27,039 Speaker 3: up his speed. I think there was a I can't 103 00:05:27,080 --> 00:05:29,640 Speaker 3: remember the opponent, but but she Heed. They were going 104 00:05:29,720 --> 00:05:33,039 Speaker 3: towards the north end zone, towards the hawknecks a nest 105 00:05:33,200 --> 00:05:35,280 Speaker 3: and Shahed was on the right side, so it would 106 00:05:35,279 --> 00:05:37,800 Speaker 3: have been the opponent's sideline. Do you guys remember Donald 107 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:40,480 Speaker 3: underthrowing a go route that would have been a touchdown? 108 00:05:40,680 --> 00:05:42,920 Speaker 3: Like she Hed had him by like two steps it was. 109 00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:45,440 Speaker 3: It was a kind of a red zon zone goal 110 00:05:45,480 --> 00:05:49,960 Speaker 3: line fade and she Hed just absolutely burned him. And 111 00:05:50,080 --> 00:05:53,160 Speaker 3: you saw Donald's reaction. He just dug gunnet. You know, 112 00:05:53,200 --> 00:05:56,680 Speaker 3: he knew it that he had just forfeited an opportunity 113 00:05:56,720 --> 00:06:00,040 Speaker 3: for a touchdown, and he just underthrew him. And so 114 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:03,560 Speaker 3: the more you work with the guy, the more you 115 00:06:03,600 --> 00:06:08,440 Speaker 3: get a sense for his speed, how he accelerates, how 116 00:06:08,440 --> 00:06:11,560 Speaker 3: he comes out of his break, and because oftentimes your 117 00:06:11,680 --> 00:06:15,160 Speaker 3: vision is obstructed and so you get like a glimpses 118 00:06:15,200 --> 00:06:20,000 Speaker 3: of a guy. Imagine taking your windshield wipers and you know, 119 00:06:20,440 --> 00:06:24,159 Speaker 3: attaching a big you know, foam noodle or something that 120 00:06:24,200 --> 00:06:25,839 Speaker 3: the kids play with in the pool. You know, so 121 00:06:26,240 --> 00:06:28,440 Speaker 3: you got like an eight inch wide ten inch wide 122 00:06:29,720 --> 00:06:33,960 Speaker 3: wiper blade. Now that you know that, that's kind of 123 00:06:33,960 --> 00:06:36,400 Speaker 3: of how it can be sometimes your vision when you're 124 00:06:36,440 --> 00:06:39,159 Speaker 3: in the pocket. So if you know a guy's speed, 125 00:06:39,320 --> 00:06:43,040 Speaker 3: it's already kind of programmed in your mind. It's hardened 126 00:06:43,080 --> 00:06:45,719 Speaker 3: into your muscle memory about, Okay, this is how I 127 00:06:45,760 --> 00:06:48,040 Speaker 3: throw to him. Even if I lose sight of him 128 00:06:48,080 --> 00:06:50,760 Speaker 3: for a second, I know where to put that ball. 129 00:06:50,800 --> 00:06:54,040 Speaker 3: And I think that they can expect some more improvement 130 00:06:54,080 --> 00:06:55,800 Speaker 3: in that regard. I expect to see more in three 131 00:06:55,880 --> 00:06:58,240 Speaker 3: hundred and seventy seven receiving next year. 132 00:06:58,279 --> 00:07:01,120 Speaker 2: Well, I mean, look, it's hard to getting a Schne's head. Obviously, 133 00:07:01,200 --> 00:07:03,800 Speaker 2: in McDonald's head and who's the new OC. What's his 134 00:07:03,880 --> 00:07:07,919 Speaker 2: name again, mcfluy. Mcfluy, Yeah, I'm just calling the guy mcfluury. 135 00:07:08,040 --> 00:07:10,400 Speaker 1: I don't even know what his name is. I'm gonna 136 00:07:10,400 --> 00:07:11,040 Speaker 1: ca him mcfluhy. 137 00:07:11,440 --> 00:07:15,680 Speaker 2: Do they really value Rashid Shaheed as a special team's 138 00:07:16,120 --> 00:07:21,640 Speaker 2: threat enough to justify on its own paying him seventeen 139 00:07:21,680 --> 00:07:26,280 Speaker 2: million dollars or do you believe, Hugh that they think 140 00:07:26,640 --> 00:07:29,560 Speaker 2: like you that there should be and will be a 141 00:07:29,560 --> 00:07:30,960 Speaker 2: lot more there as a pass catcher. 142 00:07:32,280 --> 00:07:38,880 Speaker 3: No, I think you're you're paying one contract for multiple contributions. 143 00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:41,920 Speaker 3: Remember now, Tory Horton had been fourteen point nine yards 144 00:07:41,960 --> 00:07:45,920 Speaker 3: per return on punts only, but he did not have 145 00:07:45,960 --> 00:07:48,240 Speaker 3: a kickoff return, nor did he have a kickoff return 146 00:07:48,640 --> 00:07:52,280 Speaker 3: in his entire college career. So he's exclusively a pump returner. 147 00:07:52,320 --> 00:07:56,600 Speaker 3: So you're the seventeen million that you're paying. Like, let's 148 00:07:56,600 --> 00:07:59,720 Speaker 3: say Shaheed had walked, where would you be You'd say, 149 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:03,240 Speaker 3: all right, Tory, assuming he's healthy. Now this is a 150 00:08:03,240 --> 00:08:06,040 Speaker 3: little bit of a blue sky, not not lottery type 151 00:08:06,040 --> 00:08:08,200 Speaker 3: of optimism, but reasonable blue sky. You say, all right, 152 00:08:08,200 --> 00:08:12,240 Speaker 3: Tory's our punt return. Okay, last year, who returned kickoffs 153 00:08:12,280 --> 00:08:15,600 Speaker 3: when Shihed wasn't there, Well, Halani and Derek Young, Well 154 00:08:15,640 --> 00:08:17,720 Speaker 3: what did they give you? They're just guys. They are 155 00:08:17,960 --> 00:08:21,760 Speaker 3: just guys. So now you go go in the punt 156 00:08:21,800 --> 00:08:25,920 Speaker 3: return uh area. I still think, even though the numbers 157 00:08:25,920 --> 00:08:28,320 Speaker 3: are almost identical, if you said, gun to my head, 158 00:08:28,360 --> 00:08:31,560 Speaker 3: who's a better punt returner, Tory Horton or received Shaheed, 159 00:08:31,600 --> 00:08:34,840 Speaker 3: I'd say Shahed. But but the but the margins different. 160 00:08:35,040 --> 00:08:38,240 Speaker 3: Now now go over to kickoff return has presently constituted 161 00:08:38,280 --> 00:08:41,400 Speaker 3: that roster. The difference between Shahed and the next best 162 00:08:41,480 --> 00:08:44,920 Speaker 3: kickoff returner is gaping. So you're you're you're paying for 163 00:08:44,960 --> 00:08:48,040 Speaker 3: a punt returner, you're paying for a kickoff returner, and 164 00:08:48,080 --> 00:08:51,559 Speaker 3: you're paying for a wide receiver. And by the way, 165 00:08:51,559 --> 00:08:54,240 Speaker 3: if you want to break up his offensive contributions, he's 166 00:08:54,280 --> 00:08:58,040 Speaker 3: good for a reverse an end around about once every 167 00:08:59,040 --> 00:09:02,480 Speaker 3: three weeks. Right, some of the best offensive plays when 168 00:09:02,480 --> 00:09:04,640 Speaker 3: they've been in a rut is is if you time 169 00:09:04,679 --> 00:09:07,760 Speaker 3: it up right uh And and Seattle's offensive line they 170 00:09:07,840 --> 00:09:10,640 Speaker 3: run well, they ran, they ran the reverse. There's all 171 00:09:10,720 --> 00:09:13,040 Speaker 3: kinds of schemes you can run reverses off. The Seattle 172 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:14,200 Speaker 3: Seahawks did it off. 173 00:09:14,120 --> 00:09:15,400 Speaker 4: Of power left. What does that mean? 174 00:09:15,440 --> 00:09:18,640 Speaker 3: Anthony Bradford, the one slug you have on the offensive line, 175 00:09:18,720 --> 00:09:21,760 Speaker 3: he's the guy doing the the polling. Everybody else you're 176 00:09:21,800 --> 00:09:23,760 Speaker 3: getting out in space, Sorry. 177 00:09:25,559 --> 00:09:30,800 Speaker 2: Is just random out of the blue shots and Anthony Brown. 178 00:09:33,160 --> 00:09:35,520 Speaker 1: Guys can run and they can go, they can lead 179 00:09:35,600 --> 00:09:36,760 Speaker 1: out first heats. 180 00:09:36,840 --> 00:09:39,720 Speaker 4: So so so you got a contribution there. 181 00:09:39,760 --> 00:09:45,600 Speaker 3: So so yeah, I think and uh, we'll see Kenny 182 00:09:45,640 --> 00:09:46,640 Speaker 3: tilt coverage more. 183 00:09:47,160 --> 00:09:48,640 Speaker 4: You know one of the plays remember in. 184 00:09:48,640 --> 00:09:52,840 Speaker 3: The Super Bowl when uh, when Cup caught the ball 185 00:09:52,920 --> 00:09:56,680 Speaker 3: first drive, Uh, going right to left that remember over 186 00:09:56,720 --> 00:10:00,320 Speaker 3: on the left sideline where all rights the Patriots have, 187 00:10:00,920 --> 00:10:05,839 Speaker 3: Uh they should have reviewed it right challenged it, I 188 00:10:05,880 --> 00:10:08,720 Speaker 3: think is the word that we're looking for. On that play, 189 00:10:09,240 --> 00:10:11,520 Speaker 3: You've got Cup in the on the right side and 190 00:10:11,720 --> 00:10:14,679 Speaker 3: in a close split and he's running an over route 191 00:10:14,679 --> 00:10:17,520 Speaker 3: from right to left, intermediate crossing route. Uh. 192 00:10:17,600 --> 00:10:18,040 Speaker 4: You had J. 193 00:10:18,240 --> 00:10:20,640 Speaker 3: S n as the clear out guy on the left 194 00:10:21,640 --> 00:10:24,400 Speaker 3: and on that coverage that was cover one. That means 195 00:10:24,440 --> 00:10:26,600 Speaker 3: man and man with the post safety. There's a lot 196 00:10:26,640 --> 00:10:30,000 Speaker 3: of times where you look and you say NFL uh 197 00:10:30,320 --> 00:10:34,120 Speaker 3: free safeties. They they kind of disavow some of their 198 00:10:34,240 --> 00:10:37,400 Speaker 3: their rules and they will drop out of the middle 199 00:10:37,880 --> 00:10:41,960 Speaker 3: to jump the crosser if they believe that there's uh 200 00:10:42,200 --> 00:10:46,480 Speaker 3: uh uh that the the corner to their outside can 201 00:10:46,520 --> 00:10:47,520 Speaker 3: handle the clear out. 202 00:10:47,679 --> 00:10:48,440 Speaker 4: Does that make sense? 203 00:10:48,520 --> 00:10:50,760 Speaker 3: Like the rule would be stay deeper than the deepest, 204 00:10:50,840 --> 00:10:52,680 Speaker 3: But sometimes you violate the rule. 205 00:10:52,679 --> 00:10:55,240 Speaker 4: Why would you violate like I, you know, I befeere 206 00:10:55,480 --> 00:10:57,679 Speaker 4: e except after C. Well, what about the word. 207 00:10:57,559 --> 00:11:03,000 Speaker 3: Science I I uh comes before e after the after C. Like, 208 00:11:03,040 --> 00:11:06,440 Speaker 3: sometimes we break rules, and and the rule in cover 209 00:11:06,559 --> 00:11:10,600 Speaker 3: one is the post safety stay deeper than the deep deepest. Well, 210 00:11:10,600 --> 00:11:12,720 Speaker 3: when do you violate that rule? Well, you violate that 211 00:11:12,840 --> 00:11:16,679 Speaker 3: rule when you think that the other guy uh can 212 00:11:16,720 --> 00:11:18,640 Speaker 3: handle it one on one and you need to jump 213 00:11:18,679 --> 00:11:22,960 Speaker 3: the crosser. Well, Seattle doesn't want to have JSN being 214 00:11:22,960 --> 00:11:25,360 Speaker 3: the clear out guy, right, and so if we can 215 00:11:25,440 --> 00:11:31,800 Speaker 3: get we can get uh shaheed more involved more, you know, 216 00:11:31,880 --> 00:11:34,960 Speaker 3: maybe hit a couple of those post routes. And then 217 00:11:35,080 --> 00:11:38,640 Speaker 3: now all of a sudden you say that the safety 218 00:11:38,720 --> 00:11:42,320 Speaker 3: is going to stay back and and honor the deep 219 00:11:42,440 --> 00:11:45,480 Speaker 3: route and you don't have to have JSN being running 220 00:11:45,480 --> 00:11:48,320 Speaker 3: out that clear out to open things up. So there's 221 00:11:48,400 --> 00:11:51,800 Speaker 3: a there's all of this kind of fits together and 222 00:11:51,880 --> 00:11:53,920 Speaker 3: having the speed on the field that you do not 223 00:11:53,960 --> 00:11:54,760 Speaker 3: have from Cup. 224 00:11:55,120 --> 00:11:57,439 Speaker 4: There's no question that's a part of this, all. 225 00:11:57,440 --> 00:12:00,280 Speaker 5: Right, Ken Walker, Hugh, I know you wanted him. I 226 00:12:00,360 --> 00:12:02,480 Speaker 5: wanted him back too. Did you want him back at 227 00:12:02,840 --> 00:12:06,640 Speaker 5: fifteen million dollars a year over three years? 228 00:12:07,400 --> 00:12:12,840 Speaker 3: Well, I probably would have pated it because you know, 229 00:12:12,920 --> 00:12:16,800 Speaker 3: you look here, you got you know, wide receivers making 230 00:12:16,800 --> 00:12:18,960 Speaker 3: this kind of money. You throw to them, you know, 231 00:12:19,160 --> 00:12:20,960 Speaker 3: five six times in a game. You can give a 232 00:12:21,040 --> 00:12:22,920 Speaker 3: running back the ball twenty times a game and throw 233 00:12:22,920 --> 00:12:25,160 Speaker 3: it to him three or four more times. So so 234 00:12:25,559 --> 00:12:28,440 Speaker 3: the amount that a guy who's explosive can touch the 235 00:12:28,440 --> 00:12:31,280 Speaker 3: ball would probably intreat me. 236 00:12:31,320 --> 00:12:31,920 Speaker 4: I don't think that. 237 00:12:31,880 --> 00:12:36,640 Speaker 3: There's anybody that certainly there's nobody on the roster, including 238 00:12:36,800 --> 00:12:41,000 Speaker 3: a formerly healthy Zach Sarbonnay. I don't even think had 239 00:12:41,559 --> 00:12:45,800 Speaker 3: Sarbonnay never been hurt, I would still feel like, hey, 240 00:12:45,880 --> 00:12:49,600 Speaker 3: there's nobody that can carry the rock like Canine on 241 00:12:49,600 --> 00:12:53,480 Speaker 3: this roster. Kenny McIntosh, they liked him. There's a burst there, 242 00:12:53,480 --> 00:12:55,480 Speaker 3: but he's coming off in acl you know know what 243 00:12:55,480 --> 00:12:58,320 Speaker 3: you have, Ellis Jones. I mean, there's there's a lot 244 00:12:58,320 --> 00:13:00,440 Speaker 3: of guys. There's a ton of guys can get to 245 00:13:00,480 --> 00:13:05,440 Speaker 3: hand of football too, but can can people do special things? 246 00:13:06,200 --> 00:13:10,440 Speaker 3: And so yeah, I'm concerned, but I'm not gonna I'm 247 00:13:10,440 --> 00:13:14,360 Speaker 3: gonna kind of withhold my my opinion about it or listen, 248 00:13:14,640 --> 00:13:17,480 Speaker 3: I'm just talking internally me as a fan, I'm like, whoa, 249 00:13:18,280 --> 00:13:21,720 Speaker 3: this this really hurts. But yeah, let's see, let's see 250 00:13:21,720 --> 00:13:26,800 Speaker 3: who gets the first carry in September, right, that's like 251 00:13:26,840 --> 00:13:30,200 Speaker 3: who's starting, Who's getting the very first carry of the year. 252 00:13:30,400 --> 00:13:32,520 Speaker 1: It's not har yet, that guy's not in the roster. 253 00:13:32,640 --> 00:13:33,840 Speaker 1: And yeah, I think you're right. 254 00:13:33,920 --> 00:13:37,400 Speaker 3: And they've had they've had three second round draft picks, right, 255 00:13:38,720 --> 00:13:42,240 Speaker 3: just christ and Michael and Sharbonnet and Cane Iinees. So 256 00:13:42,280 --> 00:13:45,439 Speaker 3: they've got a second rounder this year. I think there's 257 00:13:45,480 --> 00:13:48,680 Speaker 3: a very good chance they use a second rounder. I'm 258 00:13:48,679 --> 00:13:51,960 Speaker 3: not particularly picking that out, but based on the need 259 00:13:52,000 --> 00:13:52,560 Speaker 3: that you have. 260 00:13:52,800 --> 00:13:53,040 Speaker 1: Sure. 261 00:13:53,200 --> 00:13:54,920 Speaker 3: Uh And and by the way, you know, if you 262 00:13:55,000 --> 00:13:57,160 Speaker 3: go we did this about five years ago, there was 263 00:13:57,200 --> 00:14:01,079 Speaker 3: a time that the second rounders were We're a lot 264 00:14:01,120 --> 00:14:03,480 Speaker 3: more accomplished than the first rounders over a long period 265 00:14:03,520 --> 00:14:06,199 Speaker 3: of time. I mean, like Dalvin Kok and I mean 266 00:14:06,240 --> 00:14:09,160 Speaker 3: I can't even wasn't Dereck Henry a second rounder. Like, 267 00:14:10,880 --> 00:14:14,520 Speaker 3: so you go over the last fifteen twenty years, second 268 00:14:14,600 --> 00:14:18,120 Speaker 3: rounders are every bit as productive. And I know that's 269 00:14:18,200 --> 00:14:20,080 Speaker 3: that's a little bit of a lame presentation because I 270 00:14:20,080 --> 00:14:21,960 Speaker 3: don't have the details, but just trust me on it. 271 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:24,880 Speaker 3: Second rounders have been there. They've been there for Seattle. 272 00:14:24,880 --> 00:14:26,280 Speaker 3: They could be there in this draft. 273 00:14:26,360 --> 00:14:28,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, I just don't know what this draft looks like 274 00:14:28,760 --> 00:14:30,960 Speaker 2: as far as second round draft picks at the running 275 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:33,600 Speaker 2: back position made. I mean, there's a there's a big, 276 00:14:33,680 --> 00:14:35,640 Speaker 2: big drop off from the guy at Notre Dame to 277 00:14:35,680 --> 00:14:38,200 Speaker 2: the rest of this class at at end running back 278 00:14:38,240 --> 00:14:40,000 Speaker 2: and there may only be one or two guys that 279 00:14:40,040 --> 00:14:43,160 Speaker 2: are even up for being taken in the second round 280 00:14:43,200 --> 00:14:45,800 Speaker 2: on their late second round, right, yeah, right, so you 281 00:14:45,880 --> 00:14:48,440 Speaker 2: better sixteen better hope those guys are there. Maybe you 282 00:14:48,480 --> 00:14:50,520 Speaker 2: overdraft the guy in the third round a little bit 283 00:14:50,560 --> 00:14:52,320 Speaker 2: with that late pick in the second round that you're 284 00:14:52,360 --> 00:14:55,560 Speaker 2: talking about. But I mean, boye Mafe gets twenty million 285 00:14:55,640 --> 00:14:58,960 Speaker 2: dollars a year from the Bengals, Like we can all agree, 286 00:14:59,160 --> 00:15:02,160 Speaker 2: there was no chance the Hawks were doing that, right. 287 00:15:03,320 --> 00:15:08,000 Speaker 3: No chance, no, no that this this this shocked me 288 00:15:08,480 --> 00:15:16,080 Speaker 3: nothing because Mafe his his best. He's arguably the best 289 00:15:16,400 --> 00:15:19,720 Speaker 3: speed rusher. In fact, when I say arguably, the only 290 00:15:19,760 --> 00:15:22,880 Speaker 3: other guy is Nick Am and Worry. And by the way, Dave, 291 00:15:22,920 --> 00:15:25,720 Speaker 3: we place a bet for me in the commercial? Yes, 292 00:15:25,760 --> 00:15:28,200 Speaker 3: well you place a bet. I'm being legit serious. 293 00:15:28,440 --> 00:15:31,800 Speaker 2: Can't legally text him until you go to a casino 294 00:15:31,920 --> 00:15:36,640 Speaker 2: sportsbook on Native American property. Okay, well next I'll be true, Hugh. 295 00:15:36,640 --> 00:15:38,680 Speaker 2: I'll be at the Emperal Queen Wednesday. How's that all right? 296 00:15:38,680 --> 00:15:40,840 Speaker 3: I want you to make a bet for me Nick 297 00:15:40,880 --> 00:15:43,600 Speaker 3: EMM and Worry to be the defensive MVP next year. 298 00:15:43,680 --> 00:15:46,760 Speaker 1: Wow, all right, I love it. Done boom. 299 00:15:46,840 --> 00:15:50,560 Speaker 3: Now, I'm not forecasting that because that means probability greater 300 00:15:50,560 --> 00:15:52,280 Speaker 3: than fifty percent the odds. 301 00:15:52,440 --> 00:15:55,000 Speaker 4: You like the odds, whatever the odds are. 302 00:15:55,000 --> 00:15:56,760 Speaker 3: I don't have to look at the odds because I 303 00:15:56,760 --> 00:15:58,960 Speaker 3: think that that Nick Am and Worry is your best 304 00:15:58,960 --> 00:16:02,240 Speaker 3: speed rusher. And I've just common sense tells me they're 305 00:16:02,240 --> 00:16:04,920 Speaker 3: going to unleash this, dude. I think the world because 306 00:16:04,920 --> 00:16:07,600 Speaker 3: they're Super Bowl champions, they're going to be aware of 307 00:16:07,600 --> 00:16:11,640 Speaker 3: of who just how impactful and how versatile Eimon Warry 308 00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:14,360 Speaker 3: is and if he gets eight nine sacks, there's going 309 00:16:14,440 --> 00:16:16,720 Speaker 3: to be enough you know, just stats on the paper 310 00:16:17,280 --> 00:16:19,760 Speaker 3: to justify it for the voters. So Nick EMM and 311 00:16:19,800 --> 00:16:24,920 Speaker 3: worry NFL defensive MVP not not predicting it, just saying. 312 00:16:25,080 --> 00:16:26,280 Speaker 4: It's a really good bet. 313 00:16:26,320 --> 00:16:28,520 Speaker 5: So anyways, ma fe it's at least fifty to one 314 00:16:28,520 --> 00:16:30,440 Speaker 5: because he's not in the top fifteen guys. 315 00:16:30,480 --> 00:16:33,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not seeing him a part of the take 316 00:16:33,680 --> 00:16:36,520 Speaker 3: up Benjamin and put it on him. 317 00:16:36,800 --> 00:16:38,840 Speaker 4: Okay, you'll probably lose it. 318 00:16:38,960 --> 00:16:41,320 Speaker 3: Let me say, you'll probably lose it, sure, but it's 319 00:16:41,480 --> 00:16:43,680 Speaker 3: you're gonna get damn good odds. As Dick just said, 320 00:16:43,720 --> 00:16:47,080 Speaker 3: Mafey that the best speed rusher. Look, the league is 321 00:16:47,800 --> 00:16:51,480 Speaker 3: enamored with speed rushing. He's he's arguably of the defensive 322 00:16:51,560 --> 00:16:54,800 Speaker 3: end of the four in the rotation Nuosu d Law 323 00:16:55,520 --> 00:16:58,480 Speaker 3: and then the young guys Derek Hall and uh and Mafey. 324 00:16:58,880 --> 00:17:01,600 Speaker 3: Mafey the best speed rusher. That's a that's a very 325 00:17:01,720 --> 00:17:05,920 Speaker 3: coveted skill. Bruce Irvin was a speed rusher right like 326 00:17:05,920 --> 00:17:09,840 Speaker 3: like like the teams will will they will chase speed rushing. 327 00:17:10,440 --> 00:17:14,720 Speaker 3: Mike McDonald says, ho, ho ho, WHOA. I need a 328 00:17:14,800 --> 00:17:17,439 Speaker 3: dude who sets the edge first and foremost. If if 329 00:17:17,520 --> 00:17:18,800 Speaker 3: he falls into sacks. 330 00:17:18,840 --> 00:17:19,400 Speaker 4: So be it. 331 00:17:20,080 --> 00:17:22,600 Speaker 3: But I need a dude to set set the edge. 332 00:17:22,600 --> 00:17:28,560 Speaker 3: And so McDonald in his genius, has a different take 333 00:17:28,760 --> 00:17:31,840 Speaker 3: about the qualifications for defense men. The rest of the 334 00:17:31,920 --> 00:17:35,600 Speaker 3: league's paying for speed, he's paying for physicality. You just 335 00:17:35,640 --> 00:17:38,879 Speaker 3: look at their frames, you know, Nuosu, d Law, Derek, 336 00:17:39,080 --> 00:17:40,240 Speaker 3: look at look at their frames. 337 00:17:40,280 --> 00:17:42,119 Speaker 4: They're thick. They're thick. 338 00:17:42,160 --> 00:17:47,080 Speaker 3: They freaking clog up the the uh the uh, the 339 00:17:47,240 --> 00:17:50,080 Speaker 3: edge and they set the edge and so and of 340 00:17:50,160 --> 00:17:54,240 Speaker 3: it not surprising Mafey's uh, he's gone because of the 341 00:17:54,240 --> 00:17:55,440 Speaker 3: the reasons we're describing. 342 00:17:56,200 --> 00:17:56,840 Speaker 6: Uh. 343 00:17:56,920 --> 00:17:58,439 Speaker 1: We have a running back siding. 344 00:17:59,560 --> 00:18:06,320 Speaker 2: We're gonna to it next on ninety three to three KJRFM. 345 00:18:04,480 --> 00:18:08,600 Speaker 6: From the R and R Foundation Specialist Broadcast Studio. Now 346 00:18:08,680 --> 00:18:12,040 Speaker 6: back to SOFTI and Dick on your home for the Huskies, 347 00:18:12,119 --> 00:18:15,440 Speaker 6: Kraken and the twelfth Man Sports Radio ninety three point 348 00:18:15,480 --> 00:18:17,640 Speaker 6: three KJR FM. 349 00:18:18,320 --> 00:18:21,840 Speaker 2: All right, boys and girls, we are back on a Monday, 350 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:25,359 Speaker 2: Free Agent Monday. The legal tampering period has begun, and 351 00:18:25,480 --> 00:18:27,639 Speaker 2: just like we thought, we got a bunch of information. 352 00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:30,280 Speaker 1: This may be the apex. 353 00:18:30,320 --> 00:18:33,359 Speaker 2: By the way of the frequency of stories that break, 354 00:18:33,440 --> 00:18:36,800 Speaker 2: it might be today, it might slow down starting tomorrow, 355 00:18:36,880 --> 00:18:39,119 Speaker 2: and free agency is like all right, one o'clock on 356 00:18:39,200 --> 00:18:42,479 Speaker 2: Wednesdays when guys can start signing contracts. But we already 357 00:18:42,520 --> 00:18:45,240 Speaker 2: know everything. So for the Seahawks, Kenny Walker going to 358 00:18:45,320 --> 00:18:48,000 Speaker 2: Kansas City. We'll get details and all this later. Boy 359 00:18:48,119 --> 00:18:50,720 Speaker 2: Mafe's going to the Bengals, Kobe Bryant went to Chicago, 360 00:18:51,320 --> 00:18:53,879 Speaker 2: Josh Job coming back, Rashid Shihed and kind of a 361 00:18:53,920 --> 00:18:57,080 Speaker 2: stunner is coming back to the Seahawks on a seventeen 362 00:18:57,160 --> 00:19:00,200 Speaker 2: million dollars a year deal. Travis Kelce going back to 363 00:19:00,280 --> 00:19:02,560 Speaker 2: Kansas City. Tua is going to Atlanta on a one 364 00:19:02,600 --> 00:19:05,200 Speaker 2: year deal. Mike Evans is going to sign with San Francisco, 365 00:19:05,560 --> 00:19:08,760 Speaker 2: Gardner Minshew with Arizona. Travis at and the running back 366 00:19:08,840 --> 00:19:10,639 Speaker 2: is going to New Orleans. He was a guy that 367 00:19:10,960 --> 00:19:13,720 Speaker 2: some of us had targeted. Hugh Millan rejoins us, Hugh 368 00:19:14,040 --> 00:19:17,040 Speaker 2: as maybe a replacement for Canine. And how about this 369 00:19:17,200 --> 00:19:18,720 Speaker 2: a guy that you've brought up on the air, A 370 00:19:18,720 --> 00:19:20,200 Speaker 2: guy that all of us have brought up on the air. 371 00:19:20,200 --> 00:19:21,320 Speaker 1: I know you like him as well. 372 00:19:22,040 --> 00:19:26,720 Speaker 2: Rico Dowdell is leaving Carolina and he's signing with the 373 00:19:26,760 --> 00:19:30,840 Speaker 2: Pittsburgh Steelers. All right, So that's another guy off the 374 00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:34,480 Speaker 2: board the Seahawks may have had potentially targeted as a 375 00:19:34,520 --> 00:19:35,879 Speaker 2: replacement for Kenny Walker. 376 00:19:36,840 --> 00:19:37,040 Speaker 4: Yeah. 377 00:19:37,119 --> 00:19:41,320 Speaker 3: I don't know that there's any guy in free agency 378 00:19:41,520 --> 00:19:45,879 Speaker 3: that they really covet. I think that they're either you know, 379 00:19:46,359 --> 00:19:50,240 Speaker 3: liking what they have in house, or they believe in 380 00:19:50,400 --> 00:19:53,720 Speaker 3: you know, on the I'm certain they're going to draft 381 00:19:53,720 --> 00:19:55,960 Speaker 3: a player now right now. They just have four picks. 382 00:19:56,760 --> 00:20:00,680 Speaker 3: They may move down a number of times, but I 383 00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:04,440 Speaker 3: I would be surprised if they don't take a running 384 00:20:04,480 --> 00:20:07,160 Speaker 3: back in the first or second day. You know, obviously 385 00:20:07,480 --> 00:20:09,840 Speaker 3: the third day is fourth round and beyond. I think 386 00:20:09,880 --> 00:20:11,520 Speaker 3: I think that they're gonna take a running back in 387 00:20:11,520 --> 00:20:12,399 Speaker 3: the top three rounds. 388 00:20:12,400 --> 00:20:15,760 Speaker 4: That would be my thought. I just and remember now, 389 00:20:15,760 --> 00:20:17,120 Speaker 4: I keep I'm gonna keep saying this. 390 00:20:17,800 --> 00:20:21,960 Speaker 3: They are really cognizant of the comp picks for the 391 00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:23,439 Speaker 3: twenty twenty seven drafts. 392 00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:23,720 Speaker 4: Yeah. 393 00:20:23,960 --> 00:20:27,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, they feel like they've got a really good stockpile 394 00:20:27,240 --> 00:20:30,000 Speaker 3: of young guys. They have twenty four rookies in the building, 395 00:20:30,080 --> 00:20:33,520 Speaker 3: third youngest team in the NFL there, and there's a 396 00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:37,160 Speaker 3: lot of players. You know, Jared Ivy is an edge guy. 397 00:20:38,280 --> 00:20:40,840 Speaker 3: You've got a j Finley is a safety. I mean 398 00:20:40,920 --> 00:20:43,240 Speaker 3: the guys that you know Nia and Maya Pritchard and 399 00:20:43,560 --> 00:20:46,560 Speaker 3: you know, we know, uh uh, he was a guy 400 00:20:46,600 --> 00:20:49,200 Speaker 3: what sixth round pick corner runs a four to three 401 00:20:49,800 --> 00:20:52,920 Speaker 3: was kind of skinny and scrannie. He's added a lot 402 00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:55,320 Speaker 3: of physicality. They they you don't kind of believe in him. 403 00:20:55,320 --> 00:20:59,280 Speaker 3: So behind the scenes there's people that they believe in 404 00:20:59,800 --> 00:21:02,480 Speaker 3: running back. I don't know if if you sign one 405 00:21:02,520 --> 00:21:05,399 Speaker 3: of these guys then that it's always going to affect 406 00:21:05,440 --> 00:21:09,080 Speaker 3: the comp picks because you have to be in a 407 00:21:09,119 --> 00:21:13,280 Speaker 3: net deficit, a net loss of free agents in order 408 00:21:13,359 --> 00:21:16,000 Speaker 3: to be eligible for these compicks that they covered for 409 00:21:16,040 --> 00:21:19,960 Speaker 3: twenty twenty seven. Hugh, we kind of figured Kobe Bryant 410 00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:23,000 Speaker 3: would be back. He got a lot of money, three years, 411 00:21:23,040 --> 00:21:26,160 Speaker 3: forty million dollars. One thing I was wondering, I want 412 00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:29,240 Speaker 3: to get your take on, is what makes Kobe Bryant 413 00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:32,520 Speaker 3: Kobe Bryant. Is it the talent of Kobe Bryant or 414 00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:35,800 Speaker 3: is it Mike McDonald's genius and he can find a 415 00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:39,199 Speaker 3: good replacement for Kobe Bryant. That's a fair question. I mean, 416 00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:43,879 Speaker 3: he comes in the league as a converted corner. You know, 417 00:21:44,040 --> 00:21:45,400 Speaker 3: they had him in the nickel, you know, they tried 418 00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:47,560 Speaker 3: him at corner, they tried him in nickel. He found 419 00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:51,240 Speaker 3: a spot at safety. You know, generally you could say 420 00:21:51,280 --> 00:21:55,560 Speaker 3: that a corner that's converted, you'd say, obviously he's got 421 00:21:55,600 --> 00:21:57,720 Speaker 3: good feet for a safety. The question is whether or 422 00:21:57,760 --> 00:22:00,359 Speaker 3: not he can be physical for safety, right, and he 423 00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:05,120 Speaker 3: showed to have you know, requisite, if not elite physicality. 424 00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:10,360 Speaker 3: I think he's very smart, and in part because he's 425 00:22:10,359 --> 00:22:12,879 Speaker 3: played corner and so he's played the different positions. You know, 426 00:22:12,920 --> 00:22:16,040 Speaker 3: at Alabama, when you come in as a recruit, if 427 00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:18,280 Speaker 3: you're a corner, they make you play safety for a while. 428 00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:20,480 Speaker 3: If you're safety, they make you to play corner for 429 00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:23,280 Speaker 3: a while. You know. And by the way, Carl Scott, 430 00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:28,320 Speaker 3: the secondary you know, defensive, I think it's defensive pass coordinator, 431 00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:30,479 Speaker 3: was a hell of a coach for the Seahawks. He 432 00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:34,239 Speaker 3: was at Alabama under sab and coached Josh Job And 433 00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:37,440 Speaker 3: so I think that you have, getting back to Bryant, 434 00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:40,760 Speaker 3: a guy who has, you know, the ability to cover 435 00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:45,879 Speaker 3: ground like a corner, enough physicality, smarts and and yet 436 00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:49,160 Speaker 3: he was he didn't play in week seventeen and eighteen seventeen, 437 00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:52,119 Speaker 3: was at Carolina eighteen of course was at home in 438 00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:54,119 Speaker 3: the in the game he needed against the forty nine ers. 439 00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:57,840 Speaker 3: Everybody else was healthy. The Seahawks have shown that they 440 00:22:57,880 --> 00:23:04,679 Speaker 3: can play without, you know, with Tyakatta, and so I 441 00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:08,320 Speaker 3: feel like he's you know, between Tyakatta, who who you know, 442 00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:12,600 Speaker 3: inserts into that starting spot now and aj Finley, a 443 00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:16,920 Speaker 3: young guy who who can contest. They just felt like, hey, uh, 444 00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:19,840 Speaker 3: you know, it was just a little too rich for them. 445 00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:22,199 Speaker 2: Well, Humillin's with us on the air, and the one 446 00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:24,880 Speaker 2: guy that we haven't heard anything on is Reek woman, right, 447 00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:27,040 Speaker 2: and he's the one guy that's still out there. So 448 00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:30,280 Speaker 2: with Kobe Bryant taking off, Josh Job coming back, I 449 00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:31,800 Speaker 2: think you were pretty adam at the other day that 450 00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:35,639 Speaker 2: you thought Reek was gone. And the longer this goes on, 451 00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:39,320 Speaker 2: obviously the idea of him returning is still a possibility. 452 00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:42,040 Speaker 2: And we mentioned that just kind of for giggles with 453 00:23:42,119 --> 00:23:45,640 Speaker 2: Shaheed before the three twenty break today and then five 454 00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:48,280 Speaker 2: seconds later, Jackson tells me during the break that he's 455 00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:51,800 Speaker 2: coming back to Seattle. So the longer this hangs out there, 456 00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:55,359 Speaker 2: you know, the more possibility, you know, arises that maybe 457 00:23:55,359 --> 00:23:56,120 Speaker 2: he comes back. 458 00:23:57,119 --> 00:24:00,000 Speaker 3: What do you think, Well, you know, I told you 459 00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:02,760 Speaker 3: Friday that you know, I had my list, and on 460 00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:06,080 Speaker 3: my list of of will be resigned was only Josh 461 00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:09,000 Speaker 3: job and Josh Jones if you want to throw him 462 00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:14,240 Speaker 3: in the swing tackle. On my list of outs were Woolen, Bryant, 463 00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:18,280 Speaker 3: Ken Walker, Shaheed, and Mafey. I thought they'd all be gone. 464 00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:21,440 Speaker 3: So I'm so I've already you know, I've already missed 465 00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:24,359 Speaker 3: on the Sheheed, which hey, I'm glad to miss the 466 00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:28,240 Speaker 3: I still think Wolan and and had you had me 467 00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:34,080 Speaker 3: rank from most likely the least likely to sign, I 468 00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:37,080 Speaker 3: think Woolan would have been near the bottom of the 469 00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:42,320 Speaker 3: probably outs, the Kobe Bryant would have been at the 470 00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:45,280 Speaker 3: top of the outs, Shaheed would have been second, by 471 00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:49,160 Speaker 3: the way, Woolan would be, uh, you know, near the bottom. 472 00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:53,560 Speaker 3: So I still think that, yeah, everything's possible. Everything We're 473 00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:55,600 Speaker 3: we're living in a world of probability, which is greater 474 00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:58,119 Speaker 3: in zero less than one hundred. So it could happen. 475 00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:03,760 Speaker 3: But I think there's enough with you know, I think 476 00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:06,439 Speaker 3: Mike McDonald in the when he was miked up in 477 00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:09,840 Speaker 3: the NFC Championship game, they caught him. I don't know 478 00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:11,200 Speaker 3: if it was a hot mic or if he knew 479 00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:14,320 Speaker 3: he was miked up. But after the penalty, you know, 480 00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:17,399 Speaker 3: the blonehead penalty, which I think was poorly officiated, but 481 00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:22,400 Speaker 3: we're not going to revisit that. You know, here McDonald says, 482 00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:26,399 Speaker 3: let me guess twenty seven when he knew, when he 483 00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:28,679 Speaker 3: knew that this, you know, you're instead of punting, you 484 00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:30,720 Speaker 3: know the Rams have the ball, and you know, let 485 00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:32,440 Speaker 3: me guess right twenty seven. 486 00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:35,280 Speaker 1: You think he's done with him? You think I think. 487 00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:37,919 Speaker 3: He's probably done with him. Now we don't have to 488 00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:41,240 Speaker 3: review all of it. The incredible freaky attributes about him 489 00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:43,000 Speaker 3: as an athlete, but I think that's going to be 490 00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:45,720 Speaker 3: enticing enough to somebody. And I still think he's gone. 491 00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:50,280 Speaker 5: Hugh. The big deal over the last few days is 492 00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:53,800 Speaker 5: Max Crosby to Baltimore. Now I'm looking at a Baltimore 493 00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:57,240 Speaker 5: team that didn't make the playoffs last year, second round exit, 494 00:25:57,280 --> 00:25:59,680 Speaker 5: before that second round exit, before that first round exit, 495 00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:03,480 Speaker 5: before that, no playoffs the year before that. I don't 496 00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:05,920 Speaker 5: see him as like a legit one player away from 497 00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:08,560 Speaker 5: the Super Bowl. Maybe I'm wrong, Like, why do you 498 00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:11,760 Speaker 5: think they'd give up that type of capital for a 499 00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:13,320 Speaker 5: twenty nine year old pass rusher. 500 00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:17,800 Speaker 3: Well, I think it's you know, they got Jesse Minner, right, 501 00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:24,640 Speaker 3: you know, a young, really really really sharp defensive coordinator. 502 00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:29,080 Speaker 3: Right like if you said, if you had said, take 503 00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:33,720 Speaker 3: all attributes about Mike McDonald, every salient attribute, and said, okay, 504 00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:37,359 Speaker 3: who's the human being on planet Earth that has the 505 00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:40,880 Speaker 3: most in common? Uh, for the the attributes that we're 506 00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:44,640 Speaker 3: interested in, Who's who's the guy with most in common? 507 00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:45,679 Speaker 4: It would be Jesse Mintor. 508 00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:50,440 Speaker 3: And so they get a young defensive end or excuse me, 509 00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:54,399 Speaker 3: defense coordinator, and they're looking at the ends and you know, 510 00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:57,479 Speaker 3: maybe he doesn't you know, you know, I think did 511 00:26:57,560 --> 00:27:02,760 Speaker 3: they coach together at Michigan. I believe they did. Yes, yes, right, 512 00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:08,280 Speaker 3: And so I'm sure that McDonald's philosophy has paid off. 513 00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:10,840 Speaker 3: But you know, you've got a guy in Mintor. You know, 514 00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:13,480 Speaker 3: maybe they just feel a little antsier and they like 515 00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:15,840 Speaker 3: their roster. As you said, you know, you know, maybe 516 00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:20,440 Speaker 3: he's just a precocious young coach that that just feels like, hey, yeah, 517 00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:22,720 Speaker 3: you know, we're one catalyst away. 518 00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:25,280 Speaker 4: And and the thing about. 519 00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:32,080 Speaker 3: About him is that he he plays the run. He's 520 00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:35,560 Speaker 3: an incredible leader. Of incredible motor guy, unlike Trey Henderson, 521 00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:39,639 Speaker 3: who doesn't play the run. You know, you got a 522 00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:43,800 Speaker 3: guy that really gets after it. And so I think 523 00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:49,280 Speaker 3: Max Crosby, he's twenty eight years old, and you know, 524 00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:52,240 Speaker 3: I think it's probably just appeasing mintor I think he 525 00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:55,920 Speaker 3: probably you know, it's just kind of itchy, itchy to 526 00:27:56,359 --> 00:27:57,320 Speaker 3: get that guy here. 527 00:27:57,400 --> 00:27:58,800 Speaker 1: Let me before you go. 528 00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:01,720 Speaker 2: Dick and I had a conversation on the air, spirited 529 00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:06,600 Speaker 2: conversation about Jackson Smith and Jigba and Devin Witherspoon and 530 00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:09,040 Speaker 2: I because I said on my show today or on 531 00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:11,480 Speaker 2: the air today, sorry that I thought, you know, before 532 00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:14,119 Speaker 2: the Shaheed thing came down, that maybe the most significant 533 00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:16,840 Speaker 2: thing was what McDuffie got from the Rams and what 534 00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:19,440 Speaker 2: the Colts gave Alec Pierce. Today, if you're Devin Witherspoon 535 00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:22,200 Speaker 2: and Jackson Smith and Jigba, you gotta be salivating, right. 536 00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:24,600 Speaker 2: I mean, jays M's a better player than Alec Pierce. 537 00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:27,120 Speaker 2: He's getting sixty million, thirty million guaranteed. And I think 538 00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:29,560 Speaker 2: Witherspoon is a better corner than McDuffie. He got a 539 00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:32,800 Speaker 2: hundred million guaranteed. Now, McDuffie was going into the fifth 540 00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:35,560 Speaker 2: year option of his original rookie deal, so he got 541 00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:38,800 Speaker 2: a deal before the last year of his contract. 542 00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:40,920 Speaker 1: Dick and I were debating on the air. 543 00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:44,520 Speaker 2: I think it's possible, but I'd be surprised if the 544 00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:49,400 Speaker 2: Seahawks get something done now with Witherspoon or Jackson Smith, 545 00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:52,680 Speaker 2: THN Jigba with two years left on their deals, the 546 00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:55,360 Speaker 2: fourth year and then the fifth year option for both 547 00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:58,560 Speaker 2: of them. I'd be more surprised, I think than Dick would. 548 00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:01,320 Speaker 2: But do you think there's a chance, a decent chance 549 00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:06,120 Speaker 2: the Hawks get anything done with JSN or Witherspoon this offseason? 550 00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:06,800 Speaker 4: Yes? 551 00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:12,120 Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, And I think what's certainly one of them. 552 00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:15,680 Speaker 3: I guess Prudence would say that's the most likely. You know, 553 00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:17,360 Speaker 3: you just say, all right, two guys that they want 554 00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:19,840 Speaker 3: to sign. Probably most likely it's just going to be 555 00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:21,360 Speaker 3: one out of the two. But I think there's a 556 00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:26,600 Speaker 3: very strong possibility that before training camp, or maybe during 557 00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:28,400 Speaker 3: training camp, you get both of them done. 558 00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:31,720 Speaker 1: Wow, with two years left. Okay, yeah, But because I 559 00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:33,160 Speaker 1: think I think that. 560 00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:38,080 Speaker 3: Schnyder has said that that he doesn't really think of 561 00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:40,640 Speaker 3: first rounders as having that fifth ye that's right, you 562 00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:43,080 Speaker 3: know that he wants to, he wants to get it done. 563 00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:46,440 Speaker 3: He knows he's got to pay these guys. They've earned it. 564 00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:51,600 Speaker 3: So yeah, I think that there's a very good chance 565 00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:52,400 Speaker 3: that happens. 566 00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:55,320 Speaker 2: We will see would you do that if you were 567 00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:57,440 Speaker 2: then or would you want to wait one more year 568 00:29:57,760 --> 00:29:59,920 Speaker 2: and let one more year go by and maybe grad 569 00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:02,640 Speaker 2: yourself some extra cash? 570 00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:05,560 Speaker 3: Well, I think it's you know, a little bit of 571 00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:08,320 Speaker 3: a six one half dozen the other because you can 572 00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:11,760 Speaker 3: pay them a little bit less now, right right, because 573 00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:15,480 Speaker 3: because they're the leverage they have is, Hey, if we 574 00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:17,560 Speaker 3: don't sign you, you got to pay for on your 575 00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:20,560 Speaker 3: play on your rookie contract, right and so so we're 576 00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:24,160 Speaker 3: giving you a boost for twenty twenty five. I mean 577 00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:28,400 Speaker 3: that that's obvious. Excuse me, twenty twenty six. He's factor that. Yeah, 578 00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:33,840 Speaker 3: that that's factored into it. And so yeah, I think 579 00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:38,880 Speaker 3: it's important to reward guys that have that, you know, 580 00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:41,480 Speaker 3: that kind of production and they're doing it the right way. 581 00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:42,280 Speaker 4: You know. 582 00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:47,720 Speaker 3: Witherspoon is arguably the heartbeat, the emotional heartbeat of the 583 00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:48,840 Speaker 3: entire football team. 584 00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:51,040 Speaker 1: How about you got all three done? How about you 585 00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:51,880 Speaker 1: get Darnold done? 586 00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:54,320 Speaker 2: To get all three guys done with two years left 587 00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:56,920 Speaker 2: on their deals and beat the market for everybody. Just 588 00:30:56,960 --> 00:31:00,320 Speaker 2: get them all done this offseason. Man, I I that 589 00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:02,120 Speaker 2: I do not think would happen. Of course, I think 590 00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:04,200 Speaker 2: you're gonna let him. I think you're gonna let Darnold 591 00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:05,960 Speaker 2: play another year, just kind of. I don't want to 592 00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:08,640 Speaker 2: say prove it, but just let's see it again in 593 00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:10,800 Speaker 2: our terms. All right, So you got you got a 594 00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:13,120 Speaker 2: three year deal with him, right, So yes, he's played 595 00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:16,560 Speaker 2: one correct? Yeah, all right, you're the man. Great stuff. Man, Hey, 596 00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:19,200 Speaker 2: be on standby in case anything happens, all right, place, 597 00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:21,120 Speaker 2: These are fun times, all right, Bud. 598 00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:22,080 Speaker 1: You're milling with us. 599 00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:25,920 Speaker 2: We're gonna break textimonials. We're gonna head to I believe, 600 00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:30,240 Speaker 2: Atlanta at five point thirty San Francisco as well with 601 00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:33,360 Speaker 2: Grant Cohen and John Michaels. Lots of news happening around 602 00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:36,080 Speaker 2: the NFL, but there's big news in Seattle. 603 00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:37,040 Speaker 1: Get to all of it.