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Speaker 2: All right, welcome man, it is the Tuesday edition of

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Speaker 2: Cincy three to sixty. Thank you as you just heard

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Speaker 2: ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station. You know what, Tuesdays

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Speaker 2: bring a new Scott Saderfield press conference. That's happening down

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Speaker 2: in Clifton right now. We'll get some audio of that

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Speaker 2: and we'll play it at the start of our number three.

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Speaker 2: Joe Daniman Fox nineteen standing by to join us at

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Speaker 2: one o'clock. We have talkbacks, We have your phone calls

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Speaker 2: five to one, three, seven, four, nine, fifteen thirty. We

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Speaker 2: have audio from Demetrius Night regarding a players only meeting. Yes,

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Speaker 2: all is right in the world. You can relax, you

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Speaker 2: can breathe again. The season is back on the defense

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Speaker 2: for the Cincinnati Bengals. Held a player's only meeting yesterday.

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Speaker 2: We'll talk more about that along the way. We'll ask

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Speaker 2: a lot of Bengals questions today. Look, how and at

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Speaker 2: this point can this get turned around? And I'm not

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Speaker 2: just talking about the rest of this season. I'm talking

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Speaker 2: about going into a new offseason in the Joe Burrow era,

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Speaker 2: the super Bowl window that we like to throw around

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Speaker 2: so much. How does it change? How does it get

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Speaker 2: better from where things are at right now? The trade

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Speaker 2: deadline in the National Football League is a week from today.

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Speaker 2: Trades are already happening. The Titans and the Rams have

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Speaker 2: made a trade. What is your thought leading into the

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Speaker 2: trade deadline? Because my biggest thing right now, and we'll

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Speaker 2: discuss this later, I don't know that I trust Duke

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Speaker 2: Cincinnati Bengals to make that turn into a positive decision.

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Speaker 3: I talked a lot yesterday about the plan and what

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Speaker 3: the plan used to be and what worked about it,

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Speaker 3: and now at some point the plan has changed.

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Speaker 2: The plan.

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Speaker 3: I don't know what it is when it comes to drafting,

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Speaker 3: and I don't know how it will be adjusted this offseason,

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Speaker 3: but clearly, internally the plan has not worked and they

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Speaker 3: don't have good enough players, and so we've seen them

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Speaker 3: be a little bit more willing to make trades. They've

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Speaker 3: made an end season trade each of the last two seasons.

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Speaker 3: Would they be willing to go and find something that

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Speaker 3: might be more of a sure thing at the trade

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Speaker 3: deadline than risking another draft pick in which they have

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Speaker 3: struggled mightily to hit on. But you're right, I don't

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Speaker 3: trust Duke Tobin. No, no Bengals fans should trust Duke Tobin.

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Speaker 3: There is no reason to believe in Duke Tobin, or

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Speaker 3: in the scouting staff, or in the football operations people,

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Speaker 3: or in the coaching staff. Faith is at an all

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Speaker 3: time low right now, and the Bengals deserve this criticism

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Speaker 3: because they have failed in the execution of this plan.

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Speaker 2: We will will dive more into that dive a little

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Speaker 2: bit more into the Jamar Chase comments that Austin played

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Speaker 2: in our number three yesterday. Speaking of number three, I

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Speaker 2: Cincinnati Bengals. I'd like to dive into that today and

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Speaker 2: a Zach Taylor question about his time leading up to

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Speaker 2: now with the Cincinnati Bengals. What about a sports equinox yesterday?

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Speaker 2: It was yesterday? We had it? What about a sports

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Speaker 2: equinox yesterday? It was yesterday. Did you enjoy it?

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Speaker 2: Did you partake in the equinox? I did? FC since

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Speaker 2: and Yeah, here they come the hero. The city needed.

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Speaker 3: Orange blue k den k when hell is real, baby,

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Speaker 3: Cup playoffs. FC Cincinnati. It was an all out attack

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Speaker 3: last night. I mean, the Crew are lucky that they

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Speaker 2: In the National Football League. Last night, the Chiefs starting

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Speaker 2: The Chiefs all time record for touchdowns, Yes with who,

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Speaker 2: A Priest Holmes, Priest Holmes? Is it? Yeah? Is it? Yes?

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Speaker 2: It's his eighty third career score, which time Priest Holmes

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Speaker 3: I've forgotten about running back yep, because the Chiefs weren't

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Speaker 2: Priest Holmes was a monster. I believe it was his

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Speaker 2: one if you count playoffs as well. His one hundredth

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Speaker 2: night led the Chiefs with six catches on eight targets

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Speaker 2: for ninety nine yards, and again, Austin, it just feels

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Speaker 3: How many playoff games has Travis Kelsey played in his career?

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Speaker 2: Do we know?

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Speaker 3: Because he's probably played a season's worth of postseason games.

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Speaker 3: So he's got one hundred total touchdowns when you include

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Speaker 2: Yes, I mean that he has twenty five playoff games

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Speaker 2: in his career.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so over a season's worth of playoff games from

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Speaker 2: So good in the playoffs. Man, what a beast, so

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Speaker 2: the last team in in the AFC. But when you

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Speaker 2: look at their division, you know, I think it's a

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Speaker 2: The AFC West is interesting if Joe Alt is healthy

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Speaker 2: They're four to oh at home, but Denver leads that division.

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Speaker 2: They're winless in the division. Denver. They're also going to

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Speaker 2: fun division race to watch down the stretch. A couple

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Speaker 2: other NFL notes, Carson Wentz season ending surgery on his

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Speaker 2: Matt Liner, I know him. Matt Lionard says, it's time

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Speaker 3: It's amazing what winning does all of a sudden people

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Speaker 2: Yes, sir, Bearcats win. Now here's the thing I'm a

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Speaker 2: little uneasy about. Yesterday the line for the Bearcats at

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Speaker 2: Utah game opened up places plus six for the Bearcats

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Speaker 2: even plus seven. Have you seen what it is at now?

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Speaker 2: Last I saw was nine and a half. Nine and

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Speaker 2: what would be the reasoning for that?

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Speaker 3: From your perspective, as you now study each and every game,

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Speaker 3: Utah Saturday night?

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Speaker 2: Utah, I think forty eight to nothing at halftime against Colorado,

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Speaker 2: The biggest concern about the Bearcats currently is their rush defense.

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Speaker 2: In my opinion, I mean, they just held austin the

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Speaker 2: but their run defense gives up one hundred and fifty

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Speaker 2: one per game, and this Utah offense fifth in the

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Speaker 2: run the Rock Austin, they also do what control the

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Speaker 2: You know, three of the teams ahead of them Army, Navy,

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Speaker 3: Cocks tells you that they're pretty good. I will say

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Speaker 3: this though, just looking at Utah's schedule when they faced

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Speaker 3: they did beat Arizona ten Arizona State in a blowout,

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Speaker 3: is technically a ranked win for them team to Watchno stinks. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: West Virginia stinks. Wyoming stink. Ucla at the time. Ucla

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Speaker 2: There's a team to watch out for right now, Houston

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Speaker 2: in the Big twelve, four and one in the contre

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Speaker 2: I'm talking about football, not basketball. I know what they are.

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Speaker 2: They are now ranked the twenty second ranked team in

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Speaker 2: the country. Unbelievable. They have one loss on the year,

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Speaker 2: was to Texas Tech. Since then Austin I went over

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Speaker 2: that same Arizona State. We just the team we just

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Speaker 2: talked about. This is the remaining schedule for Houston, West Virginia, UCF, TCU, Baylor.

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Speaker 2: So you're telling me eleven and one could be b YU,

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Speaker 2: They're at Texas Tech out of a bye. They ever

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Speaker 2: a little bit of a home wrecker. Came the TCU

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Speaker 2: horn homere yep home wrecker that nine and a half man.

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Speaker 2: That makes me nervous. How about this last night, Game

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Speaker 2: three of the World Series, Brad Paisley, you know going,

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Speaker 2: you know Brad Paisley. Yeah, Brad Paisley, he's the guy

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Speaker 2: who's in those commercials with Peyton Manning. Yes, Brad Paisley

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Speaker 2: sang the national anthem last night and people might just say, okay,

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Speaker 2: Brad Paisley is an awesome musician. There's nothing unique about that. Well,

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Speaker 2: listen to this. Brad Paisley has performed the anthem for

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Speaker 2: three memorable World Series contest in Los Angeles leading up

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Speaker 2: to last night, his fourth. In twenty seventeen, he sang

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Speaker 2: before Game two. That game won eleven innings. In Game

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Speaker 2: three twenty eighteen, he sang before it went eighteen innings.

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Speaker 2: Game one, twenty twenty four, Brad Paisley national anthem, the

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Speaker 2: game went ten innings. And then last night, how about

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Speaker 2: last night, Brad Paisley sings the national anthem. Dodgers win

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Speaker 2: the game six to five in eighteen innings, six hours

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Speaker 2: and thirty nine minutes of baseball last night.

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Speaker 3: To think that we've had two World Series games go

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Speaker 3: eighteen innings in the last six or seven years is

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Speaker 3: kind of bonkers, and even more crazy that the same

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Speaker 3: guy sang the national anthem YEP.

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Speaker 2: Before both of them.

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Speaker 3: Pretty wild, and some people are saying he should never

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Speaker 2: Man, I have a.

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Speaker 3: Question for people who stayed up to watch that game. Okay,

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Speaker 2: Some notes here. Austin mentioned in the first segment about

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Speaker 2: I wanted to have. With the trade deadline being a

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Speaker 2: draft picks and turn around and utilize those draft picks

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Speaker 2: in a positive way. I know you went through an

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Speaker 2: exercise yesterday where you listed off some of the draft picks, Mo,

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Speaker 2: and I did it at Twin Peaks yesterday as well,

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Speaker 2: where you just look at the failures year after year

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Speaker 2: after year of Duke Tobin drafting players. It has been

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Speaker 2: a failure. I'm so tired of seeing a draft and

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Speaker 2: being told, don't worry about the lack of production. Look

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Speaker 2: at these measurables all the way back to when John

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Speaker 2: Ross got drafted. Look how fast he is, all the

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Speaker 2: way to Shamar Stewart. Don't look at the sack totals.

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Speaker 2: Just look at his athleticism, look at his testing numbers,

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Speaker 2: look at how much he disrupted games. And at the

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Speaker 2: end of the day, that's great, but he didn't bring

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Speaker 2: anyone down in college and not tackling anyone in the NFL.

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Speaker 2: But we're just pitched. Have you've seen Miles Murphy. Just

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Speaker 2: look at the size of him. The athleticism, Okay, that

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Speaker 2: doesn't necessarily translate to a great football player on the field, right,

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Speaker 2: And when you draft guys in the first in the

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Speaker 2: second round, you need those players to be impact players,

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Speaker 2: especially when you pay Joe Burrow and t Higgins and

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Speaker 2: Jamar Chase and what you have coming out from a

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Speaker 2: contract standpoint. Mo made the point yesterday they've not given

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Speaker 2: an offensive lineman a second contract of which they drafted

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Speaker 2: since Clint Bowling. The Duke Tobin draft tenure has been

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Speaker 2: a failure and don't tell me Joe Burrow and Jamar

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Speaker 2: Chase because any team would have done it.

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Speaker 3: And you know, kind of looking back on the Marvin

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Speaker 3: Lewis era at the end, you know, Marvin had some

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Speaker 3: pretty good drafts and was a part of some really

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Speaker 3: good drafts and Duke is a part of that as well.

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Speaker 3: Guys that were mainstays in playoff teams, Andy and AJ

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Speaker 3: are a great example, Eiffert Bernard, Sean Williams played a

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Speaker 3: lot lot of games. Even Jeremy Hill, AJM McCarron like

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Speaker 3: guys that had a role and were productive for the organization.

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Speaker 3: But if you look at the last three drafts of

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Speaker 3: Marvin Lewis and Duke Tobin's time together, there's a lot

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Speaker 3: of misses and it resulted in the team taking a

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Speaker 3: nose dive and Marvin getting fired. In the twenty sixteen draft,

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Speaker 3: there was one viable professional. It was Tyler Boyd. Now

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Speaker 3: Andrew Billings is still playing. We're going to see him

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Speaker 3: this weekend with the Chicago Bears, if I'm not mistaken,

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Speaker 3: But Tyler Boyd. The next year was Joe Mixon and

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Speaker 3: Jake Elliott, And Jake Elliott never played for the Bengals

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Speaker 3: in twenty eighteen. It was Billy Price, Jesse Bates, Sam

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Speaker 3: Hubbard and after that a bunch of losers and so like,

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Speaker 3: really you only got two of that eighteen draft as well,

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Speaker 3: and it was Bates and Hubbard their first round picks.

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Speaker 3: Just Joanahilli didn't work out, obviously Burrow and Chase did.

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Speaker 3: Dax is still a question mark. Miles Murphy terrible, Amarius

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Speaker 3: Mims don't know, but you feel good about Shamar Stewart

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Speaker 3: massive question mark.

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Speaker 5: So like.

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Speaker 3: It felt like there was a shift when they got

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Speaker 3: good with Burrow is to Okay, let's get some young

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Speaker 3: guys that we can get in here and develop behind

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Speaker 3: these veterans, and then the veterans leave and there was

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Speaker 3: actually no development. So now, what you should have done

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Speaker 3: with Shamar Stewart, what you should have done with you know,

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Speaker 3: this past draft class, and what you need to do

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Speaker 3: moving forward is guys that have actually been productive at

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Speaker 3: those programs, or seek and find guys in free agency

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Speaker 3: or in the trade deadline that have been productive NFL players.

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Speaker 3: Example would be like Caveon Thibodaum. Yeah, and that's why

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Speaker 3: I go back to the Thibodeau side. You know, would

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Speaker 3: you rather Austin, you know, between now and next week

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Speaker 3: this time, move on from Trey Hendrickson and acquire a

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Speaker 3: couple of draft picks, or at a guy like Dibbodeaux

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Speaker 3: that you know as a proven commodity. Like I'm at

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Speaker 3: the point where I need proven commodities because I don't

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Speaker 3: trust the process of scouting, of drafting and then developing

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Speaker 3: the players. That terrifies me about this organization. It's a

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Speaker 3: main reason why the organization is in the spot that

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Speaker 3: we're in right now. They haven't drafted well, they haven't

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Speaker 3: developed well. They had an abysmal defense last year, and

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Speaker 3: they are somehow worse on defense. Somehow, after they wasted

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Speaker 3: historic years from Joe Burrow and Jamar Chase and Trey Hendrickson.

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Speaker 3: Somehow they looked at that defense and their ideas to

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Speaker 3: improve it have all failed, and they are somehow worse

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Speaker 3: on the defensive side of the ball.

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Speaker 2: Think about that. Meanwhile, Loure and a Rimos squad is

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Speaker 2: giving up under twenty points a game, can't scapegoat him anymore,

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Speaker 2: just running out of people to point the finger out.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I was going to say, I mean, there's been

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Speaker 3: multiple coaches that have kind of fallen on the sword.

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Speaker 3: Offensive line, defensive line, linebackers, decordinators, they've all kind of

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Speaker 3: fallen on the sword.

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Speaker 2: Yep, and now there's really no other swords to fall on.

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Speaker 2: Kind of at a point with your organization where it's

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Speaker 2: it's at a crossroads. And as we sit here at

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Speaker 2: this point, I don't trust them to make the right

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Speaker 2: decisions in the draft. I don't trust that they are

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Speaker 2: evaluating the talent properly. That is how you get into

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Speaker 2: a spot like the Bengals are in right now. Historically

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Speaker 2: bad last year on defense, worse on defense, wasting more

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Speaker 2: greatness from Jamar Chase. The injury has pushed Burrow's path

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Speaker 2: another year further. It's just it's maddening at where this

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Speaker 2: franchise is at. And it's even more maddening when Joe

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Speaker 2: Flacco comes in and puts up thirty eight and you

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Speaker 2: lose to the zero to seven Jets.

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Speaker 3: You're on the verge of missing the playoffs for a

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Speaker 3: third straight season after going to the Super Bowl an

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Speaker 3: AFC Championship game in back to back years.

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Speaker 2: That is unacceptable. But Austin, there was a players only

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Speaker 2: meeting yesterday. Well, who. By the way, correspondence from my grandma. Hey,

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Speaker 2: Grandpaul and I watched the entire game last night. Wow,

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Speaker 2: Grandpa said, we did because we'll never see anyone like

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Speaker 2: Otani in our lifetimes. Grandpa also really likes Freddie Freeman,

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Speaker 2: so shout out to the Grandma and Grandpa. They have

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Speaker 2: good taste. They watched it because they knew they were

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Speaker 2: watching greatness, so it was worth it to them.

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Speaker 5: Good.

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Speaker 2: Let's take a break. Let's stick with the Bengals. We'll

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Speaker 2: get some calls in at the end of the hour,

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Speaker 2: but uh, a wide receiver conversation that I think it's

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Speaker 2: fair to have. We'll do so next. I'm the home

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Speaker 2: of the Bengals ESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati Sports Station. Thanks

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Speaker 2: Let me ask you, Austin, because it goes in to

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Speaker 2: the conversation we've already had about the failures of this

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Speaker 2: team in the draft and in the process that they

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Speaker 2: have taken in the way they've constructed this team. Andre

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Speaker 2: Yoshi vash And I know it's a delicate thing because

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Speaker 2: I know Yoshi is a fan favorite to a lot

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Speaker 2: of people, and I get why, I really do. He

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Speaker 2: is a very likable guy, works hard. But at the

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Speaker 2: root of it, Austin, what round was Yoshi drafted in?

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Speaker 2: I believe he was a sixth or seventh three. He

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Speaker 2: was a sixth round draft pick. And yes, he's had

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Speaker 2: good moments for this team, but he is not gaining

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Speaker 2: separation and he has a case of the drops. And

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Speaker 2: when I say not gaining separation, Austin, I think that's

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Speaker 2: crucial because a large percentage of the time is Yoshi

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Speaker 2: going against the team's first or second best cover guy. No, No,

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Speaker 2: they're up with Jamar Chasen t Higgins, So he's not

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Speaker 2: beating third or fourth cover guy of the opposition. And

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Speaker 2: my question remains, we watched at camp Mitchell Tinsley take

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Speaker 2: over at times as a story of training camp. We

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Speaker 2: had very good things to say about how Jermaine Burton

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Speaker 2: approached this year's training camp. And Mitchell Tinsley is active

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Speaker 2: on most game days. Jermaine Burton is not active, but

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Speaker 2: late in the game, Joe Flacco tried to go to

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Speaker 2: Yoshi Vash three times the second to last series. On

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Speaker 2: the second down, he tried to fit a ball into

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Speaker 2: Yoshi no separation, put the ball in Yoshi's hands down

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Speaker 2: the middle on the final drive of the game, which

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Speaker 2: would have put the Bengals in prime spot to win

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Speaker 2: that game. I know it was a tough catch. The

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Speaker 2: ball has eventually dropped, and then on the fourth down,

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Speaker 2: Yoshi drops the balls. He's going to the ground. If we,

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Speaker 2: or if the Bengals Austin are willing to give players

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Speaker 2: opportunities at other positions on the offensive and defensive side

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Speaker 2: of the ball, why is it that they seem unwilling

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Speaker 2: to give Mitchell Tinsley or Jermaine Burton opportunities over Andre Yoshivash.

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Speaker 3: I think we've slowly seen the Mitchell Tinsley snaps creep

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Speaker 3: up there. I believe with Burton it's a complete distrust

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Speaker 3: and probably an inability to grasp the offense. That would

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Speaker 3: be my guess as to why he's not even in

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Speaker 3: the conversation Tinsley. There's no reason it shouldn't be a rotation,

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Speaker 3: like there's no reason he shouldn't be challenging him for

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Speaker 3: those snaps as far as I'm concerned, I mean, you

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Speaker 3: talk about the separation. According to Andrew Russell, who posted

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Speaker 3: this yesterday, Yoshivash has the third most receiving snaps on

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Speaker 3: the team. He's last in separation rate, isn't making contested catches,

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Speaker 3: only two for nine on those contested throws, and leads

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Speaker 3: the team with four drops, and you could probably charge

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Speaker 3: him with three more than he's actually been charged with.

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Speaker 2: So no separation, not making contested catches, and dropping the ball.

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Speaker 3: Correct, no reason for him to continue getting that many snaps.

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Speaker 2: I think I think he was somewhere around eighty percent

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Speaker 2: of the snaps.

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Speaker 3: I would be willing to say, Okay, let's put noa Fan,

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Speaker 3: just put Mitchell Tinsley. I would like to see a

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Speaker 3: little bit more of that no offense, because I think No.

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Speaker 3: A Fan's been a pretty solid player this year for

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Speaker 3: this team. H and I think he's a dependable receiver

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Speaker 3: obviously as the big body, can he get more of

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Speaker 3: those opportunities? Can Mitchell Tinsley get more of those opportunities?

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Speaker 3: And if not, like, can you find creative ways to

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Speaker 3: move Chase and Higgins around to where you might create

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Speaker 3: a more favorable matchup for andre Yoshavash, whether that be

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Speaker 3: through motion, through a formation, whatever it might be.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's uh, it's puzzling because again, at other positions

645
00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:55,120
Speaker 2: across this roster, they are making decisions to give other

646
00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:59,319
Speaker 2: players opportunities, and yet at certain positions they're not. Gino

647
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:02,279
Speaker 2: Stone played a percent of the naps again, Cam Taylor

648
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:04,040
Speaker 2: Britt was almost back to eighty percent after being a

649
00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:07,919
Speaker 2: healthy scratch the week before. It just it doesn't feel

650
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:09,560
Speaker 2: like there's much rhyme or reason with a lot of

651
00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:12,600
Speaker 2: these decisions that are being made defensively. I don't think

652
00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:13,040
Speaker 2: they know.

653
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:16,400
Speaker 3: I think they're just trying to find something, trying everything,

654
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:18,840
Speaker 3: which you know, I had the question I was asking

655
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:21,960
Speaker 3: you this before the game or before the show today.

656
00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:25,960
Speaker 3: Do we think this was the plan with or without

657
00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:26,560
Speaker 3: Joe Burrow?

658
00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:27,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know.

659
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:30,280
Speaker 3: To just give these young guys chances or when Burrow

660
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:32,359
Speaker 3: went down, they're like, all right, screw it, let's see

661
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:33,040
Speaker 3: what these guys have.

662
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:34,959
Speaker 2: I would think it was when Burrow went down, because

663
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:37,319
Speaker 2: there's no way you could have just randomly said, let's

664
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:39,320
Speaker 2: give guys chances as your answer to how bad the

665
00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:40,840
Speaker 2: defense was last year with Burrough.

666
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:43,480
Speaker 3: I think I would say the opposite. I think it was, well,

667
00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:45,680
Speaker 3: we're going to give these dudes a chance to play,

668
00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:48,399
Speaker 3: and hopefully Joe's going to be healthy and he'll cover

669
00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:48,920
Speaker 3: up all there.

670
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Speaker 2: But that's the crazy thing. If that was the thinking,

671
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:53,439
Speaker 2: I kind of feel like that's what it was after

672
00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:56,319
Speaker 2: Burrow's year last year was all for not and the

673
00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:58,640
Speaker 2: thinking would have just been, let's let Joe be great

674
00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:00,520
Speaker 2: again and we'll just kind of shuffle guys on defense

675
00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:02,920
Speaker 2: and see what sticks. Yeah, that is a disaster.

676
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:03,400
Speaker 5: You know.

677
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:06,759
Speaker 3: I was talking to somebody recently. I want to say

678
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:09,840
Speaker 3: it was Charlie. I don't know for sure about like,

679
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:13,319
Speaker 3: you know, how did you get from where we are

680
00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:15,120
Speaker 3: to or where we were to where we are and

681
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:17,840
Speaker 3: like where we're going, And Charlie said, one of the

682
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:20,280
Speaker 3: lessons he's learned is that it can always get worse.

683
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:24,840
Speaker 3: Like you think, oh, surely the offensive line can't get worse,

684
00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:28,920
Speaker 3: or surely the cornerback play can't get worse, or surely

685
00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:31,240
Speaker 3: the safety play can't get worse.

686
00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:32,399
Speaker 5: It does.

687
00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:35,920
Speaker 3: And I think that's kind of where we've gone wrong

688
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:40,359
Speaker 3: here with the Bengals, especially defensively. Well, the cornerbacks won't

689
00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:43,399
Speaker 3: be that bad again, they have been. The defensive line

690
00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:46,239
Speaker 3: won't be that bad again, well they have been. And

691
00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:49,640
Speaker 3: you know, surely it can't get worse. Well, Trey Hendrickson

692
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:52,680
Speaker 3: got hurt, So guess what it got worse? Like, you

693
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:55,759
Speaker 3: can never operate under the assumption, which the Bengals have,

694
00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:58,399
Speaker 3: that it can't get worse than it was last year,

695
00:37:58,440 --> 00:37:59,920
Speaker 3: because guess what it is?

696
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Speaker 2: Yes, yeap, remarkable. Do you feel better that they're they're

697
00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:06,600
Speaker 2: haven't they had a players only meeting? Uh?

698
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:06,799
Speaker 5: No?

699
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:08,880
Speaker 2: I don't you feel better that that are gonna be different?

700
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:11,440
Speaker 3: I feel better because I learned that their uniform combo

701
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:15,480
Speaker 3: is black on black, which if you remember, and I'm

702
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:18,320
Speaker 3: sure you do. The two thousand and nine Bengals hosted

703
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:21,759
Speaker 3: the Bears in the Cedric Benson Revenge Game SETI. They

704
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:26,160
Speaker 3: won forty five to ten, wearing the black on black okay,

705
00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:29,880
Speaker 3: and Cedric Benson went crazy, Rip said Benson. Okay, but

706
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:32,600
Speaker 3: you know, maybe recreate a little bit of that magic.

707
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:36,040
Speaker 2: All right? Who says, no picking up what we're putting down. Uh,

708
00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:38,040
Speaker 2: let's take a break. Let's finish up the hour with

709
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Speaker 2: a couple of your phone calls. Next, and then Joe

710
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:43,160
Speaker 2: Danaman will join us to try to shortfense from two

711
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:44,920
Speaker 2: thousand and nine. We'll get danim in to try to

712
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:46,640
Speaker 2: sort through some of this as well. All coming up

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Speaker 2: since he three to sixty thanks to Skyline Chili on

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Speaker 2: ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station.

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Speaker 1: ESPN fifteen thirty, Welcome back, nearing the end of our

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Speaker 1: number one Sincy three six st on this Tuesday afternoon.

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Speaker 2: Thanks to our friends at Skyline Chillie. Thank you for listening,

718
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Speaker 2: Thank you for holding on with us. We got a

719
00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:07,279
Speaker 2: couple of calls. We're going to get to you to

720
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Speaker 2: finish out the hour. Here. Let's start by heading down

721
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Speaker 2: to Charlotte. What's up, Steve?

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Speaker 5: How you doing guys? Good?

723
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Speaker 2: How are you?

724
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Speaker 6: I'm doing well? Hey, Tony, I just want you to

725
00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:19,160
Speaker 6: I'm come in town for the for the Bears game

726
00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:19,840
Speaker 6: this weekend.

727
00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:22,680
Speaker 5: I will see you in mow at the Grail with Uh.

728
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:28,200
Speaker 5: Let's go yes, sir, yes, sir, somebow something.

729
00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:30,839
Speaker 6: I want to mention that that struck that you guys

730
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:34,680
Speaker 6: were talking about Duke tobinan about about Zach Taylor. You know,

731
00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:36,320
Speaker 6: when we went to the Super Bowl and played against

732
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:39,279
Speaker 6: uh I played against the Rams, they basically sold the

733
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Speaker 6: farm if you remember that year to win the Super Bowl.

734
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Speaker 6: I mean they basically said we're going to after this minute,

735
00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:45,040
Speaker 6: we're going to rebuild.

736
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Speaker 1: That.

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Speaker 6: Is that a correct assumption on my part?

738
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Speaker 2: I don't agree with that now. I don't think so,

739
00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:53,480
Speaker 2: because at that time, you're thinking Burrows on the rookie

740
00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:56,799
Speaker 2: deal and and chases Is on the rookie deal, and

741
00:39:56,880 --> 00:39:59,919
Speaker 2: you could build around that the Rams part.

742
00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:02,040
Speaker 6: Remember the Rams that basically put.

743
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:06,319
Speaker 2: All their Yeah, yeah, the Rams did, And somehow they've

744
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:09,600
Speaker 2: built themselves back quicker than the Bengals exactly.

745
00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:12,759
Speaker 6: They they basiced get the exact same record as Buffalo.

746
00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:16,480
Speaker 6: I mean they are They're five and two. So what

747
00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:19,720
Speaker 6: is it about? I mean, I like I like Zach Taylor.

748
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:21,200
Speaker 5: You know, a person never met the guy.

749
00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:22,839
Speaker 6: He seems like a nice guy, but I think that

750
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:24,919
Speaker 6: he sort of got a pass, he sort of rode.

751
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:27,560
Speaker 6: Maybe maybe I'm long in saying that the coattails of

752
00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:31,600
Speaker 6: Sean McVay, you know, whenever he was there and now

753
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:34,080
Speaker 6: he's on the island by himself trying to coach his

754
00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:37,439
Speaker 6: team and can't seem to develop the players, and Duke

755
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:38,920
Speaker 6: Tobin can't can't draft.

756
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Speaker 5: So I mean it speaks.

757
00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:42,520
Speaker 6: And like I said, is that you know, the Rams

758
00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:44,759
Speaker 6: they sold the farm, you know, to win that Super

759
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:48,560
Speaker 6: Bowl against us, and now they're better than they're They're

760
00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:51,120
Speaker 6: closer to the Super Bowl again than we are with

761
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Speaker 6: with Sean McVay, with Duke Tobin.

762
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Speaker 5: So hey, turning, I'll see you this weekend.

763
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Speaker 2: That I listen to you guys, Let's go all right, appreciate that,

764
00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:00,839
Speaker 2: Steve yeh. It is true. Like look, you know, I

765
00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:07,080
Speaker 2: did an exercise yesterday Austin. There were four different receivers

766
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:11,359
Speaker 2: taken within twenty five picks when Jermaine Burton was taken

767
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:14,680
Speaker 2: last year that are significant impact players or have been

768
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:19,200
Speaker 2: for their teams currently. The way in which this team

769
00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:23,560
Speaker 2: has rebuilt or built their roster is a disaster. When

770
00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:25,360
Speaker 2: you think of a team like the Rams, or you

771
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:28,960
Speaker 2: think of a team like Tampa Bay or the teams

772
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:33,600
Speaker 2: that are consistently competing at the top. The Chiefs have

773
00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:37,120
Speaker 2: had to draft. They had to address the offensive line

774
00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:40,759
Speaker 2: issues from last year. They did. The Detroit Lions had

775
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:44,000
Speaker 2: to work around losing both an offensive and defensive coordinator.

776
00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:49,319
Speaker 2: There are our teams across the National Football League. The

777
00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:51,760
Speaker 2: Patriots are in year one with a brand new coach

778
00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:55,120
Speaker 2: and complete overhaul of the roster, and they have a

779
00:41:55,160 --> 00:42:00,600
Speaker 2: handle on things right now. In the AFC East, the Chargers, Broncos,

780
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:07,280
Speaker 2: the Indianapolis Colts with Daniel Jones, teams are finding ways

781
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:11,279
Speaker 2: to do it and be successful in the NFL, and

782
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:15,279
Speaker 2: the Bengals cannot find that recipe. What's going on? Mark?

783
00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:21,600
Speaker 5: Hey, I'm just now recovered from that lost Sunday, but

784
00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:25,440
Speaker 5: I'm convinced now Zach Taylor he don't want me to

785
00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:27,719
Speaker 5: like him. He allow me to like him, and he

786
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:29,920
Speaker 5: don't want me to like him. Let me make this

787
00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:33,239
Speaker 5: point and I'll be quick, and you can tell me

788
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:36,719
Speaker 5: if you agree or disagree. They get the ball back

789
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:40,560
Speaker 5: five times in the Super Bowl with the lead, never

790
00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:45,359
Speaker 5: committed to running the ball neither time. Okay, MC Championship

791
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:47,560
Speaker 5: game the next season, they got the ball back at

792
00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:50,480
Speaker 5: the end of the game. They end up having to

793
00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:52,799
Speaker 5: punk the ball, but never committed to running the ball.

794
00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:59,439
Speaker 5: Second to the last drive of this game, Shotgun three

795
00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:04,640
Speaker 5: passes never tried to run the ball for some reason

796
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:09,879
Speaker 5: where he gets in these situations in the game, he

797
00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:14,680
Speaker 5: doesn't believe in running the ball. And that's what that's

798
00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:18,439
Speaker 5: what frustrates me about him, Like, you close the game

799
00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:22,040
Speaker 5: out running the ball. In spite of the bad defense

800
00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:27,640
Speaker 5: and everything that happened in that game, the Jets coordinator,

801
00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:32,080
Speaker 5: even with two scores, even with them being behind two scores,

802
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:36,520
Speaker 5: they never got away from running the ball. They ran

803
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:39,360
Speaker 5: the ball and threw it when they had to throw it.

804
00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:44,319
Speaker 5: What is with him when it comes to running the

805
00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:48,279
Speaker 5: ball in certain situations, they were doing a good job

806
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:51,400
Speaker 5: running the ball. I just then if they run that,

807
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:53,080
Speaker 5: let me make this play. They run the ball in

808
00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:57,319
Speaker 5: that last second to last series, I think it's game over.

809
00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:00,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's I think it's game over, Thank you, Mark.

810
00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:03,040
Speaker 2: I think it's game over on multiple fronts. I think

811
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:05,000
Speaker 2: if they could have just at the very least taken

812
00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:07,359
Speaker 2: three or four minutes off the clock, I just think

813
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:10,520
Speaker 2: it would have changed the way in which the Jets

814
00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:12,640
Speaker 2: would have had to attack the last series. The Jets

815
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:14,360
Speaker 2: got the ball back so quickly, they didn't have to

816
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:18,000
Speaker 2: go into any type of different offense. They could still

817
00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:20,400
Speaker 2: run the ball, they could still throw the ball, as

818
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:23,719
Speaker 2: opposed to the other side of things, when they may

819
00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:25,680
Speaker 2: have got the ball back with less time and would

820
00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:27,520
Speaker 2: have had to resort of just to throwing the ball.

821
00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:31,279
Speaker 2: And that's just not justin Field's specialty regardless, it's the

822
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:35,600
Speaker 2: end game situational coaching that has haunted this team and

823
00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:38,600
Speaker 2: continues to do so real quick. And then we'll get

824
00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:41,160
Speaker 2: our break in with Joe Danaman coming up. What's up, Darien?

825
00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:42,759
Speaker 5: What's up? Guys?

826
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Speaker 7: I'd be super quick as far as Zach Taylor in

827
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:47,400
Speaker 7: the draft in situation, I feel like there's too many

828
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:49,279
Speaker 7: sets in the kitchen, too many people have input on

829
00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:54,000
Speaker 7: who to draft, Like say Franstance second round, third round pick.

830
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Speaker 5: If we'd have won.

831
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Speaker 7: Tate Radlic and then Dylan fa tro out in round

832
00:44:57,080 --> 00:44:58,800
Speaker 7: two and three, nobody would have been upset if you

833
00:44:58,880 --> 00:44:59,680
Speaker 7: got very quarter in.

834
00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:02,000
Speaker 2: Round four, like okay, all right, cool?

835
00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:04,919
Speaker 7: And then you know with Zach Taylor's like why can't

836
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:07,279
Speaker 7: he ever just be transparent and honest with us? Like

837
00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:09,839
Speaker 7: yesterday he was saying that they were in a past

838
00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:10,759
Speaker 7: for us, they're getting there.

839
00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:12,759
Speaker 2: Just this, they're just not finishing. I'm like, are you

840
00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:14,200
Speaker 2: watching the same thing.

841
00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:14,920
Speaker 7: That we're all watching?

842
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:17,400
Speaker 2: You see him like nobody.

843
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:18,880
Speaker 7: Is getting there, and it's like, why can't he just

844
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:21,400
Speaker 7: being a presser, Like, Hey, I'm very frustrated with how

845
00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:23,719
Speaker 7: things are going. We're social for answers. You know, we

846
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:26,080
Speaker 7: know it's not the standard. He's just like, I got

847
00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:29,560
Speaker 7: faith in our guys, and it's like, hey, Lee sometimes

848
00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:32,680
Speaker 7: be upset and say, you know, this isn't what we're

849
00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:35,319
Speaker 7: wanting to look like, That's all I got for you, guys, man,

850
00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:36,240
Speaker 7: I appreciate You'll.

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00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:38,600
Speaker 2: Thank you, Darren. I appreciate that. You know. The one

852
00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:42,160
Speaker 2: thing about the presser yesterday, I was looking to that

853
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:46,600
Speaker 2: for Zach to set a tone because I thought it

854
00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:48,759
Speaker 2: was coming off the worst loss of the Zach Taylor era.

855
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:51,160
Speaker 2: And I walked away from that press conference thinking that

856
00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:53,960
Speaker 2: sounded like every other Monday press conference I hear, and

857
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:55,719
Speaker 2: I hope that's just on the outside. I hope it's

858
00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:59,359
Speaker 2: not business as normal at the stadium because if so,

859
00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:03,200
Speaker 2: that's an issue because what's going on right now isn't working.

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