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Speaker 2: But this is Sid's thing.

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Speaker 1: He should want to play, You should want him to play,

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Speaker 2: But I know you're all proud Patriots eight three, three,

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Speaker 1: WSDX joining me next to talk more hockey. He covers

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Speaker 1: the Penguins for the Athletic It's Josh Joey one oh

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Speaker 3: It's The Woody Show weekday mornings at six of course

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Speaker 2: This is former Notre Dame quarterback Brady Quinn. Here's What's

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Speaker 5: Penguin's captain Sidney Crosby is undergoing tesse for a lower

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Speaker 5: at the Olympics. As for the US men's hockey team,

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Speaker 2: And longtime stealer safety Mike Wagner has died. He was

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Speaker 5: It was a key member of Pittsburgh's Super Bowl teams

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Speaker 5: of the nineteen seventies. I'm Scott David said, wish you

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Speaker 2: You're talking to the super genius.

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Speaker 4: No doubt, double m hey more good onion range.

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Speaker 3: Woo the exit one five nine.

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Speaker 1: The US has scored with the goaliot to tie it

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Speaker 1: He covers the Penguins, the athletic it is Josh Joey, Josh,

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Speaker 1: it appears like this injury is not cataclysmic, that there's

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Speaker 2: Do you have any details on exactly what the injury is?

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Speaker 3: And Mark, No, I don't, although I've heard similar things.

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Speaker 3: From everything I've heard in the last twelve hours or so,

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Speaker 3: perhaps in the gold medal Game of Canada. Doesnt need

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Speaker 3: I'm no doctor, but from what I have been told

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Speaker 3: Perhaps so the fact that the news seems like it's

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Speaker 1: Why don't refs protect it at any level? NHL Olympics,

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Speaker 1: the checks came after him really hard. I mean, it

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Speaker 3: They were and you don't see that, especially in the

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Speaker 1: I think, yeah, but since the head of the snake,

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Speaker 3: No, that's a good point, and what was strange about that.

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Speaker 3: I didn't really have a problem with Goudas's hit. What

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Speaker 3: Like you said, there were three shifts in a row

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Speaker 3: I couldn't believe wasn't penalized. There was an interference palette infraction.

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Speaker 3: And the NHL doesn't exactly have a great history of

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Speaker 3: Mario obviously not. And I talked with Bobby or one

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Speaker 3: It's just a hockey problem in general markets so much

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Speaker 2: Like, well, yeah, because he played with Goddis, he's calling

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Speaker 3: That's right. Yeah, he called him Goody on the air.

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Speaker 3: Like you don't hear NFL broadcasters say, oh, Mahomes was

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Speaker 1: That it, Well, that's what happens when you hand every

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Speaker 1: if Sid plays in these Olympics after sustaining that knee injury.

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Speaker 2: Sid's there. He's Canada's captain.

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Speaker 1: And these are more important games than in a game

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Speaker 3: Yeah, those are two separate things. And I would say,

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Speaker 1: But yeah, Canada is a Canada is yet even a cut.

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Speaker 3: Above it is. But I mean compared like I'm sure

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Speaker 1: And he'll hear from a segment of media that treats

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Speaker 1: about as regards the Steelers. Now, I'm not sure Canada

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Speaker 3: Thought it might well be. In one thing, Listen, McDavid

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and that defensive corps, I mean great defensively, been

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Speaker 3: Well. And Mark, don't forget Hughes was not available at

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Speaker 1: We're talking to josh O of the Athletic here on

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Speaker 3: I still think it's Hellibu And I know Bennington has

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Speaker 3: the National Hockey League and over a decade really you

436
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Speaker 3: know so well.

437
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Speaker 1: The problem with that whole staff, and this includes Garren

438
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Speaker 1: and the assistant gms.

439
00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:28,040
Speaker 2: They have all guys who think alike.

440
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Speaker 1: There's no differing voice, and that can be damaging in

441
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Speaker 1: a situation like this.

442
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Speaker 3: Now that's a great point. Rick Tackett and John Cooper

443
00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:39,080
Speaker 3: are very different personalities, very different people. That can be

444
00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:41,119
Speaker 3: a good thing for a coaching staff, and we know

445
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Speaker 3: Talk is perfect in that role. He's probably the best

446
00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:47,440
Speaker 3: assistant coach in Penguin's history, and he's working with Sid

447
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Speaker 3: and some of the other big names he specializes in

448
00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:51,800
Speaker 3: that we know he does. And John Cooper is a

449
00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:54,720
Speaker 3: great coach. I mean, Tampa again is probably the best

450
00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:55,879
Speaker 3: team in the East right now, and you have they

451
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Speaker 3: have a lot of talent to work with as well.

452
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Speaker 3: But I don't think anybody's questioning John Cooper these days,

453
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Speaker 3: and a lot of people are questioning Mike Sullivan these days,

454
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Speaker 3: and he's given them some reason to do so.

455
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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, he had Trocheck and Miller, I mean, the

456
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Speaker 1: two Pittsburgh guys out there when Sweden got the tying

457
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Speaker 1: GOALW eight. I mean, I mean, those guys are on

458
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Speaker 1: the team to be kind of defensive guys, but I

459
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Speaker 1: still that's not who I would have had out there

460
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Speaker 1: with no offense to JT and Vince and Edze was

461
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Speaker 1: talking earlier this week that Sally should match the Icle

462
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Speaker 1: line against the McDavid line. But you and I both

463
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Speaker 1: know Josh Selly does not like to match lines, and

464
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Speaker 1: I've had one former NHL coach tell me that's because

465
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Speaker 1: he doesn't know how to do it well.

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's something he never did a lot of

467
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Speaker 3: in Pittsburgh. He would just always play Sid against the

468
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Speaker 3: other team's top line and never really gave it much thought. Otherwise,

469
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Speaker 3: I don't think probably a weakness of his. And by

470
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Speaker 3: the way, you mentioned Jack Eikeel, I don't think enough

471
00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:51,600
Speaker 3: people were talking about how good he is. I was

472
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Speaker 3: in the Penguins locker room after practice the other day.

473
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Speaker 3: Three different guys told me, just randomly, Jack Eichel is

474
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Speaker 3: the best player on that team. He's unbelievable. He kind

475
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Speaker 3: of goes under the because the Kachucks are a little

476
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Speaker 3: more mouthy, I guess we'll say and other guys get

477
00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:06,600
Speaker 3: more attention. But Jack Heichael is a great hockey player.

478
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Speaker 2: This might be oversimplifying.

479
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Speaker 1: I don't think Canada can beat the USA unless Sid's there.

480
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Speaker 1: Just the presence, if he's anywhere close to one hundred percent,

481
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Speaker 1: even seventy percent, he's going to know how to play

482
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Speaker 1: in tight spaces, which that game is going to require.

483
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Speaker 1: I just think his presence and how well he can play,

484
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Speaker 1: how much he can play, is the big X factor.

485
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Speaker 3: Well. I won't say they can't beat them, but I

486
00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:35,320
Speaker 3: think in that particular matchup, he is awfully important and

487
00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:38,000
Speaker 3: the pressure on the other big guys for Canada is

488
00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:40,560
Speaker 3: a real thing. I don't think McKinnon is one hundred percent.

489
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Speaker 3: He has not looked himself this entire tournament for whatever reason.

490
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Speaker 3: And I will say this, I'm not one of the

491
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Speaker 3: people who like to bash McDavid because he's never won

492
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Speaker 3: the big one. I think sometimes that's unfair to him.

493
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Speaker 3: But I will say after Sid went down, especially in

494
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Speaker 3: the third period yesterday, he was awfully quiet in that game.

495
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Speaker 3: That's the first time all Ornament that I didn't see

496
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Speaker 3: him dominating, which did get my attention a little bit.

497
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Speaker 3: So you wonder, if, say the US goes up to

498
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Speaker 3: one in the second period, is he going to turn

499
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Speaker 3: it up a notch or is he going to disappear

500
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Speaker 3: a little bit. I think it's a fair question.

501
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Speaker 1: Oh, no question, And I think, like you said, there's

502
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Speaker 1: pressure on everybody. We're in a Canadian Jersey because this

503
00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:22,040
Speaker 1: is a much bigger thing with the populace up there

504
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Speaker 1: that it is in America, and not least McDavid. I

505
00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:27,760
Speaker 1: think if they don't win and he's quiet in the final,

506
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Speaker 1: he's the guy they blame.

507
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Speaker 3: Oh of course he will be. He'll always be the

508
00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:35,080
Speaker 3: guy they blame if they live. That's always how it

509
00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:38,200
Speaker 3: is with the best player. In twenty fourteen and twenty ten,

510
00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:40,919
Speaker 3: they were ready to blame Sid because Sid didn't necessarily

511
00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:43,240
Speaker 3: have a great tournament in either of those years, but

512
00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:45,080
Speaker 3: he was great when it mattered most in the gold

513
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Speaker 3: medal game, and that's the one thing McDavid's never done

514
00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:51,160
Speaker 3: and everybody knows that. So I yeah, I mean, listen,

515
00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:56,000
Speaker 3: Sidney Crosby's presence, not necessarily tomorrow because Finland's a different ballgame,

516
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Speaker 3: but on Sunday if he's not in the lineup, that's

517
00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:02,080
Speaker 3: a real problem. Also just logistically, like, I don't know

518
00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:04,600
Speaker 3: that they can load up with Celebrini and McKinnon and

519
00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:06,040
Speaker 3: McDavid if Sid's not there.

520
00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:06,960
Speaker 2: Oh no, they can't.

521
00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:09,200
Speaker 3: They have a reliable they don't have a reliable line

522
00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:11,359
Speaker 3: anywhere else without him, that line has been so good.

523
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Speaker 1: Yeah, their scoring depth's been disappointing. I mean, Suzuki got

524
00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:16,200
Speaker 1: the big goal the other day, but I think below

525
00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:18,879
Speaker 1: the top two lines, everybody's been generally quiet.

526
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Speaker 2: I think.

527
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Speaker 1: I mean, I think Nami Marshawn was a mistake. I

528
00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:24,600
Speaker 1: think he's an old guy they didn't need. I think

529
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Speaker 1: they made a few roster selections that nobody hated until now.

530
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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's fair. I think some of the American roster

531
00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:34,320
Speaker 3: selections got everybody's attention.

532
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Speaker 2: No I hated them then, right, Bradon points hurt.

533
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Speaker 3: I mean, that's a big deal. That was a pretty

534
00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:44,640
Speaker 3: darn good offensive player that they probably could use right now.

535
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Speaker 3: But yeah, as dominant as they've been, it's strictly been

536
00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:50,080
Speaker 3: the stars doing all the damage. And if one of

537
00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:53,720
Speaker 3: those stars is out, boy, the pressure gets even heavier

538
00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:56,120
Speaker 3: on Connor McDavid. And I feel like even though, listen,

539
00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:58,040
Speaker 3: the US hasn't won the gold since nineteen eighty, so

540
00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:00,639
Speaker 3: I'm not saying there's not pressure on them, but Canada

541
00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:03,200
Speaker 3: is the favorite. Everybody knows it, So I still think

542
00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:07,000
Speaker 3: that that puts more pressure on them to begin with.

543
00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:08,760
Speaker 3: That's simply the way it is, and that's something they're

544
00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:10,520
Speaker 3: going to have to deal with, and without your captain,

545
00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:11,919
Speaker 3: it's a lot harder to deal with that.

546
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Speaker 1: We're about we're about to head into overtime for USA

547
00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:16,000
Speaker 1: Canada women one to one.

548
00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:17,280
Speaker 2: They're gonna play three on three.

549
00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:20,560
Speaker 1: Uh, you don't like three on three in this in

550
00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:23,720
Speaker 1: this sick circumstance, I do, But tell me why you

551
00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:24,239
Speaker 1: don't like it.

552
00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:28,560
Speaker 3: I just think it's gimmicky. You know, would we do

553
00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:30,840
Speaker 3: it in a in a Stanley Cup playoff game, like,

554
00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:34,640
Speaker 3: I don't think so. It's entertaining, sure, and it's gonna

555
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:36,320
Speaker 3: end quick, so I guess that's the one good thing.

556
00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:38,639
Speaker 3: But I'd like to at least see five minutes or

557
00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:41,359
Speaker 3: five to ten minutes of five on five hockey before

558
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:43,480
Speaker 3: they go to that, especially for the gold medal. It's

559
00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:46,159
Speaker 3: just my opinion. I think three on three hockey's almost

560
00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:47,199
Speaker 3: a different sport.

561
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Speaker 1: Well, I'm not anti what you're saying, but but let

562
00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:53,080
Speaker 1: me provide the counter argument. There's so many games, it's

563
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Speaker 1: such a high tempo in such a short period. With

564
00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:58,400
Speaker 1: these Olympics, you can't play forever. And if you had

565
00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:01,920
Speaker 1: a team play like twenty minutes of five on five overtime,

566
00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:04,959
Speaker 1: let alone you know, double overtime, it would ruin that

567
00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:07,000
Speaker 1: team for the rest of the tournament. I don't think

568
00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:09,440
Speaker 1: that's fair. That's a very fair point.

569
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Speaker 4: It is.

570
00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:11,520
Speaker 1: I mean the gold medal game you make you make

571
00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:13,280
Speaker 1: a real good point with the gold medal game, and

572
00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:16,000
Speaker 1: it's worth noting in the gold medal game, like right

573
00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:18,520
Speaker 1: now with the US and Canada women, they play three

574
00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:19,480
Speaker 1: on three to a finish.

575
00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:21,520
Speaker 2: They do not go to a shootout, correct.

576
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:25,400
Speaker 3: Right, Yes, and and a lot of it is television though, right.

577
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:27,560
Speaker 3: They don't want the men's game to go to triple overtimes.

578
00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:29,960
Speaker 3: It's gonna screw up the closing ceremonies. In all seriousness

579
00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:32,840
Speaker 3: that that's that becomes part of the problem. We are

580
00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:35,600
Speaker 3: always reminded it's a business. I guess there's no perfect

581
00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:37,560
Speaker 3: way to do it. It just feels it feels like a

582
00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:39,560
Speaker 3: chiepens it to me a little bit. That's really my

583
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:40,239
Speaker 3: issue with it.

584
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Speaker 1: Let's say Sids hurt and can't play for like four

585
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:48,560
Speaker 1: games for the for the Penguins to when he comes back,

586
00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:51,200
Speaker 1: I mean, if he if he's at you know, a

587
00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:53,400
Speaker 1: lengthy period and they're lying to us about the injury,

588
00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:56,480
Speaker 1: then their season's over. How would they get by without

589
00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:58,200
Speaker 1: him for like, I don't know, three four games If

590
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Speaker 1: that's what happens.

591
00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:02,520
Speaker 3: I think they would be okay because I think when

592
00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:05,560
Speaker 3: you lose a player like Sid or any great player,

593
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:08,320
Speaker 3: teams have a funny way of rallying in the in

594
00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:10,880
Speaker 3: the short term initially, right, you know, for ten yeah,

595
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:12,280
Speaker 3: for ten days or two weeks you can do it.

596
00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:14,360
Speaker 3: You can't do it long term. For those few games

597
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:16,880
Speaker 3: you can do it, though, And the schedule is about

598
00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:18,840
Speaker 3: to get really nasty. But your first couple of games

599
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:21,320
Speaker 3: are the Devils and the Rangers. These are not good teams,

600
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:23,440
Speaker 3: so maybe it's a good time for a little soft

601
00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:26,040
Speaker 3: stretch of schedule before that brutal road trip comes in

602
00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:27,920
Speaker 3: the middle of March. And I think the Penguins have

603
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:31,320
Speaker 3: the depth to do it. Malkin looked pretty good at

604
00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:33,280
Speaker 3: practice to me, like I think he's feeling better now

605
00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:36,120
Speaker 3: than he was a few weeks ago. Ben Kendall's playing

606
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:37,760
Speaker 3: out of his mind. As we know. You probably move

607
00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:40,280
Speaker 3: Malkom to center of Sid's out and go Malkin and

608
00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:42,520
Speaker 3: Kindle down the middle. I think they could survive it

609
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:45,920
Speaker 3: for five or six games. Much more than that, obviously,

610
00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:47,440
Speaker 3: you'd have a real problem on your hands.

611
00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:51,080
Speaker 1: Avery Hayes is on fire at Wilkes two hat tricks

612
00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:54,480
Speaker 1: during the Olympic breakhead one last night. Should the Penguins

613
00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:58,880
Speaker 1: recall him to play with the big club after play

614
00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:02,080
Speaker 1: resumes following in the Olympics and take advantage of that momentum,

615
00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:04,960
Speaker 1: because that kid's got something he scored those two goals

616
00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:07,600
Speaker 1: at Buffalo for the Penguins right before the break.

617
00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:11,760
Speaker 3: I'm of the belief that they should and I understand

618
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:14,520
Speaker 3: how good that fourth line has been. That doesn't mean

619
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Speaker 3: it can't be better, and that doesn't mean he's not

620
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:19,320
Speaker 3: a better player than Nola Chari right now. With all

621
00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:23,320
Speaker 3: due respect to Achari, who has certainly exceeded expectations this season.

622
00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:25,120
Speaker 3: He's a real warrior. I have a lot of respect

623
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Speaker 3: for him. Is Avery Hayes a better player right now?

624
00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:30,720
Speaker 3: I think he probably is. He's sure as hell a

625
00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:35,160
Speaker 3: faster player, He's a better goal scorer. Why not give

626
00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:37,840
Speaker 3: him a look? I mean, that's what you want. That

627
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:39,880
Speaker 3: was supposed to be the point of the season. Let's

628
00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:42,800
Speaker 3: not completely lose track of that. So if guys like

629
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Speaker 3: Avery Hayes and Rutger McGroarty can make a good team

630
00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:47,920
Speaker 3: even better, find a place for them in the lineup.

631
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Speaker 3: But I love that fourth line too, it's been great.

632
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:53,680
Speaker 3: Fourth lines don't stay together for a reason, all right,

633
00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:55,680
Speaker 3: It's just not supposed to work that way. Eventually, younger

634
00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:58,240
Speaker 3: guys come along who are better, and if it happens

635
00:30:58,240 --> 00:30:59,720
Speaker 3: in the middle of a season, so be it. I

636
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:02,120
Speaker 3: would be all for And I think Avery Hayes is

637
00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:04,760
Speaker 3: the real deal. I love everything about that kid's game.

638
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:06,600
Speaker 1: I gotta be honest, Josh, if you let me pick

639
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:08,640
Speaker 1: a couple forwards to get hurt, I would.

640
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:10,560
Speaker 2: You know what I mean?

641
00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:12,480
Speaker 1: I mean, nobody important, but if I could sub in

642
00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:16,600
Speaker 1: McGroarty and Hayes, I would find a way to do it. Josh,

643
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:20,000
Speaker 1: great stuff. Enjoy this women's overtime and the rest of

644
00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:21,480
Speaker 1: the tournament. We'll talk to you next week.

645
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:23,160
Speaker 3: All right, Mark, you got it.

646
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:26,719
Speaker 1: That's Josh Showey. Yeah, I get ready to start three

647
00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:29,520
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648
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649
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650
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Speaker 1: a complete set of nineteen fifty two Tops baseball cards.

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Speaker 2: With the Mantle Rookie.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna hear the story of how that came to pass,

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Speaker 1: and like I said, we'll pass along what's going on

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Speaker 1: with the US candidate.

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Speaker 2: Women's final on five nine x