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Speaker 1: Diane, I can't ask you this question because you don't

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Speaker 1: things I wondered is is it true also for cats?

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Speaker 1: But I don't know because it only addresses dogs. Okay,

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Speaker 1: and you don't have dogs. Christian with Over, Oh, yeah.

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Speaker 2: Be nice. It's his birthday?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: No, I know the how just like Dustin earlier this

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Speaker 4: week and new it was Josh's dog's birthday from Instagram. Diane,

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Speaker 4: how do you know it's Kristen's dog's big day?

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Speaker 5: Because when we were in the studio earlier before the

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Speaker 5: show started, I was like, today's the twenty sixth, right,

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Speaker 5: and she said, yes.

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Speaker 2: It's Over's birthday.

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Speaker 6: Oh and she's wearing an Over T shirt.

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Speaker 2: I gave her that.

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Speaker 6: Oh whoops.

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Speaker 1: Anyway, Christian with Over do you ever and let me

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Speaker 6: Do you hug Over every day? You put your arms

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Speaker 6: around him and give him a great big hug. So

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Speaker 6: you hug Over? Okay? Tyler with Meadow? Yeah, do you

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Speaker 6: hug Meadow more than hug?

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Speaker 7: Yes?

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Speaker 6: The yeah, So you wrap your arms around and give Meadow.

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Speaker 4: A hug like roll around on the ground. She's a

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Speaker 4: lot tinier than over right, but still a pitbull. I

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Speaker 4: don't care how much hair she gets all over me. Right,

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Speaker 4: it's a mess, but it's a it's a cuddly, lovable mess.

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Speaker 1: With my two dogs, vez Vezzie Vezna. I'll definitely hug Clancy. No, okay,

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Speaker 1: you know what, Like, Clancy is a very snugly dog,

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Speaker 1: but I won't. I won't hug Clancy. I don't know

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Speaker 6: Great day the.

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Speaker 7: How much does Clancy way?

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Speaker 1: Clancy probably weighs thirty pounds twenty five thirty.

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Speaker 6: Pounds, but Venzie's like seventy five.

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Speaker 7: Metaways twenty pounds.

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Speaker 1: Whops, so yesterday, experts, I don't even know how or

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Speaker 1: why I ended up here. Expert explains, hugging your dog

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Speaker 1: is doing more harm than good to you or to

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Speaker 1: to the dog. Okay, Kristen has already dismissed the experts.

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Speaker 1: They say, you're actually doing more harm than good.

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Speaker 6: To the dog.

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Speaker 2: Well, why because you're making them soft?

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Speaker 1: No, no, you're not making your dog a pussy because

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Speaker 5: But you've seen dogs who aren't aggressive, and you see

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Speaker 2: I wonder if that plays into it.

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Speaker 6: It does not, it does not. So hugging we wet humans.

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Speaker 1: We look at hugging as a as a as a

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Speaker 6: Right, but not I don't want I don't. I don't mean.

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Speaker 1: Loving an affectionate like like like sex. I just mean

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Speaker 6: It comes from a good place. Right.

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Speaker 7: It can be also be compassionate.

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Speaker 6: Compassionate, I'll take that. That's another good word.

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Speaker 1: And so when a when a human does that to

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Speaker 1: Right Like yesterday, yesterday when we were leaving Omega Studio,

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Speaker 6: We were leaving Omega Studios. I hug Kathy.

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Speaker 1: Dogs don't know that it's compassionate, affectionate, like they.

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Speaker 6: Don't they don't know what those words mean. Right now.

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Speaker 2: Well what do they do? They give you the gentle

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Speaker 1: The answer is yes, oph has never once come to

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Speaker 2: Oh, here she comes.

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Speaker 6: And I don't know.

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Speaker 1: They said, like, so if you pay attention to your

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Speaker 1: Right, you ever get that, Christian, where the eyes get

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Speaker 1: they're like perked up. No, that's the dog's sign of distress.

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Speaker 1: Does Opher when you hug him, do his ears kind

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Speaker 4: I unlike Kristen, who is upset by this study, this

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Speaker 1: you know what, that's a sign of distress.

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Speaker 7: List all of these signs. I have seen them all.

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Speaker 1: The one that I haven't seen, They said, Like a

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Speaker 4: Oh, but I get there first. I lick her nose

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Speaker 4: Even if you miss all the signs, the second you

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Speaker 6: And like I said, I don't know why. I don't

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Speaker 6: May curl up next to you.

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Speaker 7: No, it ain't.

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Speaker 1: But the dog may curl up next to you. Yeah,

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Speaker 6: And I was actually glad.

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Speaker 1: Rescue dogs or dogs with limited early socialization may be

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Speaker 4: I love when Meadow jumps up on the couch and

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Speaker 6: But it's not enough gonna cost you a couple of

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Speaker 7: It's a transactional relationship.

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Speaker 1: The but all the things that everybody's doing. And by

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Speaker 1: Doesn't like it, and you know what they equate it to.

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Speaker 6: No, no, back up for a step.

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Speaker 1: Dogs don't like when they're on a leash and they're

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Speaker 1: because the dog is like, let me go. Same thing

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Speaker 1: And also if your dog, when you hug him becomes

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Speaker 6: No, you know what, that's a sign of distress.

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Speaker 4: See, I have jokes. I've joked with Meadow mannequin challenge

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Speaker 6: Yeah, doesn't like it, doesn't like like it. Where am

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Speaker 3: Morning, what's ups?

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Speaker 6: Hey? What's going on? Dude?

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Speaker 8: I gotta combat this whole thing. I got a Kanye

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Speaker 8: Corso and she hugged me. She start she jumps up

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Speaker 6: Like a on That is them coming to you.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, but not. But even when I she gets all

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Speaker 8: But now I'm like Tyler. I rolled around with her.

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Speaker 8: hugger and everything. She's not everything that they're saying.

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Speaker 3: She does the total opposite.

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Speaker 1: By the way, give him a kiss on the kissing spot.

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Speaker 1: Totally fine. But the second you wrap your arms around

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Speaker 1: that dog, that Kanye Corso is number one in distress

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I said, Diane Pitchers of it. Probably uh sometime

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Speaker 6: Beautiful dogs, by the way, beautiful dogs.

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Speaker 8: Very good, Thank you.

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Speaker 7: You got a brother moved into the Kathy folder.

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Speaker 4: Tom was concerned that no one woul dogs would still

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Speaker 1: Oh now they didn't, Diane, they didn't say anything about cats.

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Speaker 6: No, I don't know what. I don't know what the

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Speaker 4: I don't think I've ever seen anyone hug a cat

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Speaker 2: And wasn't the cat named Juni? Yeah?

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Speaker 6: So Bobby throws you on the ground, now ugs you?

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Speaker 5: No, he and I look distressed. No, he's the one

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Speaker 6: There's Diane licking her lips again. Hi Elliott the morning,

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Speaker 6: Hi Elliott. Hi, Yes, who's this.

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Speaker 5: My name's Andrea.

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Speaker 8: I actually talked to you last week. I'm the nerd

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Speaker 6: Oh yeah, what's up? Nerd?

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Speaker 8: I have to argue.

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Speaker 9: My dog loves being hugged.

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Speaker 10: My husband will hold and hug her and she falls asleep.

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Speaker 6: Can I speak on behalf of your dog?

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Speaker 6: I'm tolerating it. I'm tolerating it. You feed me.

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Speaker 5: She's asleep, in stress.

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Speaker 6: You have to listen to the dogs.

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Speaker 4: Are you upset with me that I didn't see your

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Speaker 1: Is it all pictures of her hugging over and over

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Speaker 4: The blurry ones. I don't know what's going on there,

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Speaker 4: not that it's censored. Wait, oh, trying to like lick you?

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Speaker 6: Or it was his rocket out Elliott? What? No, I

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Speaker 7: God, over is so bit? How much is overweight?

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Speaker 6: Ninety five damn Hi, elliot in the morning.

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Speaker 1: Is this me?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 8: Hey? This is Chris.

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Speaker 1: Hey.

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Speaker 6: Where are you calling me from?

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Speaker 8: I'm calling you from Ashburn?

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Speaker 6: Oh? Very good?

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Speaker 6: What can I do for you? Yeah?

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Speaker 8: My dog hugs me. You know I would. All I

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Speaker 9: And just pat on my chest and she puts her

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Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, you know what that's called training. You've trained

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Speaker 1: when I get home, I can do the same thing.

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Speaker 6: I've trained her, and as you have done.

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Speaker 1: With your dog, your dog's not like, oh, Daddy's home.

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Speaker 6: And goes running up to hug you. You've trained her.

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Speaker 1: Exactly, exactly. And here's what I can tell you, based

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Speaker 1: dog does not lie. It's distressing your dog. Well it

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Speaker 1: comforts me, no, and that's fine, And give you give

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Speaker 1: that dog a big kiss on the kissing spot, right, absolutely, absolutely,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it is man's best friend, but relationships

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Speaker 6: Line five, Hi Ellie in the morning.

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Speaker 9: Hey it's the same, Yeah, Hi.

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Speaker 9: So I have ten townships.

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Speaker 10: but you with her, and she defends up, and she

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Speaker 6: By the way, if I did that to you, you

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Speaker 9: If you did that to me, I would call the police.

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Speaker 7: This is why we can't give our dogs a pet phone.

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Speaker 1: No, no, but you're putting the dog in distress. What

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Speaker 1: just pet the dog, Let it curl up next to you.

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Speaker 9: It's for me, not for her.

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Speaker 6: And that's I tell her, I mean, yeah, and you

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Speaker 2: You know what you buy the food exactly exactly.

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Speaker 9: Also, I'm the one that called about I was going

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Speaker 6: Whatever happened to her? I had been emailing her. What

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Speaker 4: Was it?

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Speaker 6: Carla?

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Speaker 7: Yes, chef?

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Speaker 9: No, that was the one they did the article about

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Speaker 7: The chew The definitely was the peck Communication.

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Speaker 1: The but isn't the but isn't the but like with

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Speaker 9: Where is the kissing spot by.

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Speaker 6: It does, but it's like that. It's like this big.

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Speaker 4: I kiss all over Meadow's body.

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Speaker 4: If we're trying to express her anal glass. I have

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Speaker 4: so much hair in my mouth, but I don't care.

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Speaker 1: Line three, I gotta go quick. Hi Elliot in the morning, Me, Yeah, Hi,

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Speaker 1: who's this?

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Speaker 3: It's Steve. I grew up out of my ass is

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Speaker 3: listening to you. But now I'm down in Stotsylvania.

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Speaker 6: Oh the radio still works there.

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Speaker 3: Oh it does every morning. I listened to you around

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Speaker 11: I appreciate it worked as a Yeah, I worked as

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Speaker 11: You are spot on everyone I run into that comes

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Speaker 11: can't see the face from they're hugging on them.

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Speaker 3: They have no idea. I can see the face.

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Speaker 1: The eyes get wide, the ears go back, they get

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Speaker 6: Yeah, they're in distress.

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Speaker 11: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, and they tense up. You can

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Speaker 1: Now a lot of people are saying they're just bracing

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Speaker 3: For real.

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Speaker 11: I've had one exception to that rule, and I fully

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Speaker 1: They'll tolerate it, but they don't love it. All right, dude,

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