1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:04,479 Speaker 1: Is Tony Pike, Cincy three sixty about Cincinnati. 2 00:00:04,720 --> 00:00:05,880 Speaker 2: From Cincinnati. 3 00:00:06,040 --> 00:00:10,720 Speaker 1: This is ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station. 4 00:00:11,440 --> 00:00:14,080 Speaker 3: All right, here we go our number two, Sincy three 5 00:00:14,280 --> 00:00:19,759 Speaker 3: sixty ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station. Don't adjust your dials. 6 00:00:19,840 --> 00:00:23,400 Speaker 3: It's not Friday. It is Thursday. But Kentucky Basketball is 7 00:00:23,440 --> 00:00:26,239 Speaker 3: going to bump Cincy three sixty tomorrow. But we're not 8 00:00:26,280 --> 00:00:29,120 Speaker 3: going to bump an opportunity to talk to Charlie Goldsmith. 9 00:00:29,160 --> 00:00:31,200 Speaker 3: So Charlie has been nice enough to move up to 10 00:00:31,280 --> 00:00:34,280 Speaker 3: today as we kick off our number two. Joining us 11 00:00:34,800 --> 00:00:37,800 Speaker 3: right now, our good friend Charlie Goldsmith. Charlie, how you 12 00:00:37,840 --> 00:00:39,920 Speaker 3: doing doing great? 13 00:00:39,960 --> 00:00:41,880 Speaker 2: What's up guys? How's your bracket looking? 14 00:00:41,880 --> 00:00:42,320 Speaker 3: Early on? 15 00:00:42,400 --> 00:00:44,680 Speaker 2: Charlie perfect. 16 00:00:45,479 --> 00:00:47,520 Speaker 4: You know I wasn't going to do one this year 17 00:00:47,560 --> 00:00:50,440 Speaker 4: and the Cincy three sixty bracket challenges what got me in? 18 00:00:50,640 --> 00:00:52,760 Speaker 1: You have the second person to say that. Rick Brewing 19 00:00:52,880 --> 00:00:54,920 Speaker 1: said that earlier. Believe it or not. Rick Boring said 20 00:00:54,920 --> 00:00:58,520 Speaker 1: he hasn't filled out a bracket in five years until today, 21 00:00:58,720 --> 00:00:59,960 Speaker 1: So thankful. 22 00:01:00,720 --> 00:01:01,440 Speaker 2: I'm similar. 23 00:01:01,600 --> 00:01:04,040 Speaker 4: It's like the same reason I don't play fantasy football, 24 00:01:04,120 --> 00:01:07,480 Speaker 4: but I'm happy and hope that everyone else doing that 25 00:01:07,560 --> 00:01:08,000 Speaker 4: has fun. 26 00:01:09,080 --> 00:01:11,080 Speaker 3: How much of it has to do with the fact 27 00:01:11,080 --> 00:01:16,040 Speaker 3: that you just can't write the Bearcat's name on a line. 28 00:01:16,760 --> 00:01:18,720 Speaker 4: Something felt missing in the first four You know, no 29 00:01:18,840 --> 00:01:22,040 Speaker 4: Cincinnati knows, Xavier, I guess you had Miami or presenting 30 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:24,160 Speaker 4: the Tristate area. And I look forward to seeing UC 31 00:01:24,360 --> 00:01:25,760 Speaker 4: back where they're supposed. 32 00:01:25,440 --> 00:01:28,240 Speaker 3: To be before we get into it. Some reds who 33 00:01:28,240 --> 00:01:29,679 Speaker 3: cuts down the nets for you at the end of 34 00:01:29,920 --> 00:01:30,480 Speaker 3: the tournament. 35 00:01:30,560 --> 00:01:35,560 Speaker 4: Wow, I think Arizona is just Arizona reminds me of 36 00:01:35,600 --> 00:01:38,920 Speaker 4: the Big East teams that I grew up watching, and 37 00:01:39,160 --> 00:01:41,720 Speaker 4: that scratches that nostalgic itch for me. 38 00:01:41,760 --> 00:01:44,000 Speaker 2: And they're really good. So I'm going with the Waldcats. 39 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:50,240 Speaker 3: The latest from spring training. Yesterday we saw Brady Singer 40 00:01:50,440 --> 00:01:53,480 Speaker 3: with the blister, and obviously you don't want to make 41 00:01:53,520 --> 00:01:55,360 Speaker 3: a big deal about blisters, but when you're already going 42 00:01:55,400 --> 00:01:58,280 Speaker 3: to be without Hunter Green and there were questions around 43 00:01:58,360 --> 00:02:01,760 Speaker 3: Chase Burns earlier in the week, everything is a big 44 00:02:01,800 --> 00:02:04,480 Speaker 3: deal right now for this pitching staff. Does it feel 45 00:02:04,560 --> 00:02:06,760 Speaker 3: like something that is serious for this team or something 46 00:02:06,760 --> 00:02:07,960 Speaker 3: that's just more precautionary. 47 00:02:09,480 --> 00:02:11,160 Speaker 2: The real answer to that question, I won't know. 48 00:02:11,200 --> 00:02:13,280 Speaker 4: And they won't know until Brady's back in the building 49 00:02:13,320 --> 00:02:17,760 Speaker 4: tomorrow and they sit down with them. Now, Brady's speaking postgame, 50 00:02:17,760 --> 00:02:20,120 Speaker 4: and then Terry Francona speaking post game, kind of had 51 00:02:20,120 --> 00:02:24,279 Speaker 4: an optimistic lens, like the blister didn't pop, it was precautious, 52 00:02:24,320 --> 00:02:27,200 Speaker 4: all that kind of stuff. I think a sneaky story 53 00:02:27,240 --> 00:02:29,560 Speaker 4: from yesterday too, is that in the other Split Squad game, 54 00:02:29,560 --> 00:02:31,280 Speaker 4: the one I was at, Chase Burns only went two 55 00:02:31,320 --> 00:02:35,080 Speaker 4: plus innings, got up to around fifty pitches, but after 56 00:02:35,120 --> 00:02:37,679 Speaker 4: he had the d load day, he didn't necessarily get 57 00:02:37,720 --> 00:02:39,799 Speaker 4: in as deep to the next game as he wanted 58 00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:43,079 Speaker 4: to just because of how the game went. So that'll 59 00:02:43,120 --> 00:02:46,440 Speaker 4: probably have Burns around I guess eighty to ninety pitches 60 00:02:46,440 --> 00:02:48,639 Speaker 4: on opening day, but not as built up as you'd 61 00:02:48,680 --> 00:02:53,639 Speaker 4: want in theory and all of this, you know, moving pieces, chess, 62 00:02:53,760 --> 00:02:56,480 Speaker 4: you know all this stuff going on. It's like the 63 00:02:56,520 --> 00:02:59,920 Speaker 4: matrix or something trying to puzzle together. How exactly this 64 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:02,639 Speaker 4: pitching plans going to work as they get into the season. 65 00:03:02,760 --> 00:03:07,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, you wrote about the condensed six man rotation. Why 66 00:03:07,040 --> 00:03:08,880 Speaker 1: did they decide to do it that way? 67 00:03:10,560 --> 00:03:12,800 Speaker 4: I think the most important thing is it gets the 68 00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:15,440 Speaker 4: best thirteen guys in the roster, so it gives them 69 00:03:15,480 --> 00:03:19,840 Speaker 4: a better shot to beat the Pirates without sacrificing development, 70 00:03:19,960 --> 00:03:22,280 Speaker 4: because Burns, Louder, and Williamson are all going to stay 71 00:03:22,280 --> 00:03:25,440 Speaker 4: on five day routines. Now I could tell you how 72 00:03:25,440 --> 00:03:27,799 Speaker 4: it's gonna work through the first week. I'm deep into 73 00:03:27,840 --> 00:03:30,000 Speaker 4: the spreadsheets trying to figure out how the heck it's 74 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:33,560 Speaker 4: going to look after that. Honestly, I've got nothing right now, 75 00:03:33,680 --> 00:03:36,920 Speaker 4: and I know it won't last into the middle of April. 76 00:03:37,120 --> 00:03:40,640 Speaker 4: It'll probably be determined by just assuming everyone stays healthy. 77 00:03:40,880 --> 00:03:43,520 Speaker 2: How these guys look, how deep these. 78 00:03:43,320 --> 00:03:45,520 Speaker 4: Guys are going into games when they need to make 79 00:03:45,560 --> 00:03:49,360 Speaker 4: a roster move to add something to the bullpen if 80 00:03:49,360 --> 00:03:51,800 Speaker 4: they needed a fresh arm one day. So you know, 81 00:03:51,960 --> 00:03:55,400 Speaker 4: as we've kind of established that first Pirate series, you'll, 82 00:03:55,480 --> 00:03:58,560 Speaker 4: I would guess, see Burns and Williamson on Monday, and 83 00:03:58,600 --> 00:04:01,800 Speaker 4: then Louder starting on Tuesday, and then we'll see after that. 84 00:04:02,120 --> 00:04:03,720 Speaker 2: And I don't think anything's settings soup. 85 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:07,000 Speaker 3: I do wonder because and we can have this conversation. 86 00:04:07,080 --> 00:04:09,360 Speaker 3: We will, we'll talk about Matt McClain. But it's the 87 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:12,120 Speaker 3: constant back and forth of spring training. It gets long 88 00:04:12,200 --> 00:04:13,960 Speaker 3: and drawn out and you wonder, Okay, how much are 89 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:17,159 Speaker 3: guys working on stuff as opposed to how much our guys, 90 00:04:17,320 --> 00:04:19,520 Speaker 3: you know, kind of trying to find tune what they 91 00:04:19,839 --> 00:04:23,000 Speaker 3: need to do. And I think as Opening day gets closer, 92 00:04:23,080 --> 00:04:25,039 Speaker 3: you start to wonder that more and more. And I 93 00:04:25,080 --> 00:04:28,040 Speaker 3: asked that now because without Hunter Green on opening Day, 94 00:04:28,040 --> 00:04:31,320 Speaker 3: we look at Andrew Abbot and over thirteen innings in 95 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:34,240 Speaker 3: the spring, Charlie, he's given up twenty four hits and 96 00:04:34,279 --> 00:04:38,200 Speaker 3: twenty earned runs. Is there anything about Andrew Abbot right 97 00:04:38,240 --> 00:04:41,840 Speaker 3: now in spring training that worries you about carrying over 98 00:04:41,880 --> 00:04:44,120 Speaker 3: into the regular season Because we're now so close to 99 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:44,680 Speaker 3: opening Day. 100 00:04:46,240 --> 00:04:48,800 Speaker 4: I think you get different opinions asking different people on this. 101 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:51,520 Speaker 4: My opinion right now is going to be not really 102 00:04:51,839 --> 00:04:55,360 Speaker 4: because the mistakes that I'm latching onto, you know, what's 103 00:04:55,440 --> 00:04:58,920 Speaker 4: led to his struggles have been focused related. They've been walks, 104 00:04:58,960 --> 00:05:01,680 Speaker 4: and they've been pitches, mistakes that he just left right 105 00:05:01,720 --> 00:05:03,840 Speaker 4: over the middle of the plate. I just don't think 106 00:05:03,880 --> 00:05:07,719 Speaker 4: that's Andrew's game. I think that's just more spring training stuff. 107 00:05:08,480 --> 00:05:10,680 Speaker 4: But he's not, you know, getting the zip with the 108 00:05:10,720 --> 00:05:13,680 Speaker 4: fastball and the rise that you'd want to see from him. 109 00:05:13,680 --> 00:05:17,039 Speaker 4: The spin isn't getting these big awkward swings, Like maybe 110 00:05:17,080 --> 00:05:19,680 Speaker 4: you'd want to showcase some upside in the spring, So 111 00:05:20,160 --> 00:05:22,240 Speaker 4: you know, maybe I take this back in a week 112 00:05:22,360 --> 00:05:24,720 Speaker 4: or two if Andrew struggles, But as of right now, 113 00:05:24,760 --> 00:05:26,600 Speaker 4: I think it's just more spring training stuff. But I 114 00:05:26,640 --> 00:05:28,599 Speaker 4: can't give you a firm you know, I can't say 115 00:05:28,600 --> 00:05:30,920 Speaker 4: anything right now that would make you feel a whole 116 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:32,239 Speaker 4: lot better with how it's looked. 117 00:05:32,560 --> 00:05:36,320 Speaker 3: Should I have to curb my excitement for Matt McClain 118 00:05:36,680 --> 00:05:39,120 Speaker 3: with his long pants and his five forty five batting 119 00:05:39,160 --> 00:05:41,159 Speaker 3: average through spring training because it's just the spring. 120 00:05:43,520 --> 00:05:48,720 Speaker 4: There is truly tangible, real stuff with Matt McClain, with 121 00:05:48,760 --> 00:05:52,400 Speaker 4: his process, with his pitch selection, with the way his 122 00:05:52,720 --> 00:05:55,840 Speaker 4: batpath coincides with low and a wat sliders like I 123 00:05:55,960 --> 00:05:57,560 Speaker 4: talked with a bunch of people about this over the 124 00:05:57,680 --> 00:06:01,440 Speaker 4: last week, including McLain, who says he's generated real confidence 125 00:06:01,440 --> 00:06:03,720 Speaker 4: from this because for the first time he can see 126 00:06:03,720 --> 00:06:06,080 Speaker 4: some stuff that he worked on all off season a 127 00:06:06,120 --> 00:06:12,600 Speaker 4: lot like actually working implemented, Like he is feeling process 128 00:06:12,640 --> 00:06:16,560 Speaker 4: oriented goals be or succeed in a way that he 129 00:06:16,680 --> 00:06:19,560 Speaker 4: wasn't able to last year. So for those reasons, I 130 00:06:19,600 --> 00:06:22,159 Speaker 4: think there's a lot that is real with Matt McLean 131 00:06:22,240 --> 00:06:24,120 Speaker 4: and now he's looked this spring in the Reds obviously 132 00:06:24,160 --> 00:06:24,680 Speaker 4: feel that way. 133 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:25,680 Speaker 2: As he'll hit second. 134 00:06:25,520 --> 00:06:29,200 Speaker 1: Four, I feel like it's almost been a quiet spring 135 00:06:29,400 --> 00:06:31,440 Speaker 1: for Ellie de la Cruz. Do you feel like that's 136 00:06:31,440 --> 00:06:34,280 Speaker 1: the case. I mean, obviously you're there every day, and 137 00:06:34,360 --> 00:06:36,479 Speaker 1: not to say that quiet is a bad thing, but 138 00:06:37,040 --> 00:06:39,360 Speaker 1: how do would you assess up until this point with 139 00:06:39,480 --> 00:06:41,720 Speaker 1: a week to go, the spring that Ellie de la 140 00:06:41,720 --> 00:06:42,360 Speaker 1: Cruz has had. 141 00:06:44,160 --> 00:06:47,880 Speaker 4: He had that one monster right handed swing that was 142 00:06:47,960 --> 00:06:50,279 Speaker 4: kind of the only like wow, crazy Ellie moment that 143 00:06:50,440 --> 00:06:54,440 Speaker 4: usually you know, generates all that buzz from a mistakes perspective. 144 00:06:54,680 --> 00:06:57,320 Speaker 4: I can only remember one air, so that's good. It's 145 00:06:57,320 --> 00:07:00,240 Speaker 4: not like he's struggled defensively, because that's something you talk 146 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:02,880 Speaker 4: about talking to the Reds about Ellie. 147 00:07:02,880 --> 00:07:04,520 Speaker 2: What it is is, what this season's just. 148 00:07:04,440 --> 00:07:08,080 Speaker 4: Going to be is not continued evolution and balance of 149 00:07:08,560 --> 00:07:11,200 Speaker 4: swinging at the right pitches and strike zone judgment and 150 00:07:11,320 --> 00:07:15,600 Speaker 4: balancing that with a greater emphasis on being more dangerous, 151 00:07:15,640 --> 00:07:19,600 Speaker 4: having that aggressive mindset and balancing and wang and going 152 00:07:19,640 --> 00:07:23,120 Speaker 4: back and forth between those two things. When yielding more 153 00:07:23,120 --> 00:07:25,680 Speaker 4: into that aggressive dangerous mode. When do you need to 154 00:07:25,680 --> 00:07:27,400 Speaker 4: reel it in a bit that's just going to be 155 00:07:27,400 --> 00:07:29,640 Speaker 4: a process Elie goes through all year, and a process 156 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:32,600 Speaker 4: you can't even really see in spring training, so he's 157 00:07:32,640 --> 00:07:36,400 Speaker 4: not really a spring training will tell you about guy 158 00:07:36,560 --> 00:07:38,440 Speaker 4: right now. So there just hasn't been a lot to 159 00:07:38,440 --> 00:07:39,040 Speaker 4: say about him. 160 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:45,240 Speaker 3: You mentioned yesterday JJ Bleday with a home run, reshigns 161 00:07:45,400 --> 00:07:48,679 Speaker 3: with a home run resigns. You look at the statistical splits, 162 00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:52,320 Speaker 3: he's had a very nice spring. Is that a roster 163 00:07:52,440 --> 00:07:55,400 Speaker 3: battle that's shaping up and maybe one that we didn't 164 00:07:55,520 --> 00:07:58,080 Speaker 3: take into account with resigns based on what he's done 165 00:07:58,160 --> 00:08:00,280 Speaker 3: and the pressure maybe he's put on this organization. 166 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:04,400 Speaker 4: I view it as a three man battle between low, 167 00:08:04,440 --> 00:08:07,240 Speaker 4: Bleday and Hines for one spot, and it comes down 168 00:08:07,320 --> 00:08:11,800 Speaker 4: to kind of how you view theoretically these individual players. 169 00:08:11,800 --> 00:08:12,640 Speaker 2: So let's start here. 170 00:08:12,720 --> 00:08:14,680 Speaker 4: Let's start with the fact that I expect Marte to 171 00:08:14,680 --> 00:08:17,640 Speaker 4: be the right fielder. I also think Benson deserves to 172 00:08:17,640 --> 00:08:20,360 Speaker 4: play most day's verse right handed pitching. He's kind of 173 00:08:20,400 --> 00:08:23,000 Speaker 4: a tenth man right now. That's a good place to be. 174 00:08:23,080 --> 00:08:26,480 Speaker 4: Injuries will happen, they'll all get their chances, But because 175 00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:29,160 Speaker 4: of that you know, it's hard to get that twenty 176 00:08:29,280 --> 00:08:33,280 Speaker 4: six man regular at bats, like if it's especially Bledet 177 00:08:33,360 --> 00:08:36,480 Speaker 4: or Hines, like, you'd really have to force the issue 178 00:08:36,520 --> 00:08:39,040 Speaker 4: to get them consistent playing time. So where are they 179 00:08:39,120 --> 00:08:41,520 Speaker 4: at in their careers because they're both pretty young, they're 180 00:08:41,520 --> 00:08:45,720 Speaker 4: both legitimate upside players. Ideally they both keep playing every 181 00:08:45,800 --> 00:08:47,920 Speaker 4: day or is this the stage where you know what, 182 00:08:48,040 --> 00:08:50,640 Speaker 4: let's just shift them to being role players. They might 183 00:08:50,679 --> 00:08:52,240 Speaker 4: not play every day, but they've got to kind of 184 00:08:52,320 --> 00:08:53,959 Speaker 4: learn how to come off the bench because that's who 185 00:08:53,960 --> 00:08:54,360 Speaker 4: they are. 186 00:08:54,400 --> 00:08:57,120 Speaker 2: Like, do you need to keep playing them every day? 187 00:08:57,160 --> 00:08:59,240 Speaker 4: And since that twenty six man won't play a ton, 188 00:08:59,280 --> 00:09:01,920 Speaker 4: you give this spot to low and keep your organizational depth. 189 00:09:02,559 --> 00:09:05,000 Speaker 4: I think Bla Day's probably the best of the three. 190 00:09:05,160 --> 00:09:07,080 Speaker 4: Like if you just had to make a line of today, 191 00:09:07,080 --> 00:09:10,559 Speaker 4: I have hitting the highest. But Heines man, he can 192 00:09:10,600 --> 00:09:13,199 Speaker 4: play like if you just gave Reese three hundred at 193 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:15,520 Speaker 4: baths to figure it out, which he's not going to 194 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:17,760 Speaker 4: get with the Reds right now with how they're built. Like, 195 00:09:17,800 --> 00:09:20,680 Speaker 4: I think Hines would do pretty solid, especially because his 196 00:09:20,760 --> 00:09:22,800 Speaker 4: defense has improved over the last twelve months as much 197 00:09:22,800 --> 00:09:25,960 Speaker 4: as anybody here. So like any of these guys would 198 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:27,760 Speaker 4: hit like fifth in the opening day line up for 199 00:09:27,760 --> 00:09:30,520 Speaker 4: the Reds anytime between twenty twenty two and twenty twenty five, 200 00:09:30,840 --> 00:09:32,719 Speaker 4: and the fact that they're competing for a spot, it's 201 00:09:32,760 --> 00:09:35,000 Speaker 4: a good spot for the Reds to be right now, I. 202 00:09:34,960 --> 00:09:38,320 Speaker 1: Want to go back to the condensed six man rotation 203 00:09:38,720 --> 00:09:40,400 Speaker 1: and what the Reds are doing. I know you wrote 204 00:09:40,400 --> 00:09:43,280 Speaker 1: that it's not gonna last very long, and I think 205 00:09:43,320 --> 00:09:46,680 Speaker 1: you wrote or throughout the day April twentieth as a 206 00:09:46,720 --> 00:09:51,120 Speaker 1: potential point for it, and Francona said before that why 207 00:09:51,440 --> 00:09:54,560 Speaker 1: end it so quickly? Is there any explanation as to 208 00:09:54,559 --> 00:09:56,840 Speaker 1: why it's such a short term thing and what the 209 00:09:56,880 --> 00:09:57,839 Speaker 1: plan might be after? 210 00:09:57,880 --> 00:10:01,000 Speaker 2: That can really kill your. 211 00:10:00,920 --> 00:10:04,360 Speaker 4: Bullpen if it really doesn't work out, so like if 212 00:10:04,360 --> 00:10:06,720 Speaker 4: it's a day where you know you're already so you 213 00:10:06,800 --> 00:10:09,760 Speaker 4: already just kind of seven relievers, and then if someone 214 00:10:09,800 --> 00:10:12,400 Speaker 4: has a short start and there's a rain delay, and 215 00:10:12,440 --> 00:10:15,000 Speaker 4: also most of your pitchers don't have minor league options, 216 00:10:15,040 --> 00:10:17,200 Speaker 4: like or you just don't want to option because like 217 00:10:17,200 --> 00:10:19,959 Speaker 4: they're not gonna option, you know, one of their top guys. 218 00:10:20,960 --> 00:10:23,600 Speaker 4: You get stuck pretty quickly, so they have off days 219 00:10:23,640 --> 00:10:26,280 Speaker 4: they can use early in the season. You can kind 220 00:10:26,280 --> 00:10:28,319 Speaker 4: of see how it plays out early in the season, 221 00:10:29,040 --> 00:10:31,240 Speaker 4: but you kind of need that bullpen up because we 222 00:10:31,240 --> 00:10:33,520 Speaker 4: see it every year, you know, shuffling that eighth spot 223 00:10:33,559 --> 00:10:35,640 Speaker 4: to get a fresh arm in. You'll have to do 224 00:10:35,679 --> 00:10:39,240 Speaker 4: that twice as much if you only have seven arms 225 00:10:39,280 --> 00:10:40,920 Speaker 4: and then a lot of these depth guys, you know 226 00:10:41,080 --> 00:10:43,319 Speaker 4: mal Hagen Dan it would be one of the first 227 00:10:43,360 --> 00:10:45,200 Speaker 4: guys up. He's not on a forty man but but 228 00:10:45,280 --> 00:10:48,680 Speaker 4: he's out of options. So because the guys on the 229 00:10:48,760 --> 00:10:51,880 Speaker 4: on the cusp of your bullpen don't have options, you 230 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:53,520 Speaker 4: probably run into a into a wall. 231 00:10:53,559 --> 00:10:55,719 Speaker 1: Eventually, seem like Sam Maul is gonna be the last 232 00:10:55,760 --> 00:10:59,520 Speaker 1: guy in that bullpen, do you. 233 00:10:58,200 --> 00:11:00,360 Speaker 4: That would be my guess. It was actually really interesting, 234 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:04,800 Speaker 4: like nobody cares. But in November they could have non 235 00:11:04,880 --> 00:11:07,880 Speaker 4: tendered him. Instead they guaranteed him a salary for this season. 236 00:11:07,920 --> 00:11:09,800 Speaker 4: Not a big one, yeah, but notable for a guy 237 00:11:09,800 --> 00:11:13,280 Speaker 4: who went during camp wasn't wasn't wasn't on my projected roster. 238 00:11:13,880 --> 00:11:16,920 Speaker 4: They did it to kind of have that insurance, that depth. Also, 239 00:11:17,040 --> 00:11:19,319 Speaker 4: they didn't have Rock Burke and Caleb ferguson yet, so 240 00:11:19,360 --> 00:11:21,640 Speaker 4: at least you have one Lefty on your rostar already, 241 00:11:22,400 --> 00:11:25,280 Speaker 4: but again that kind of reinforcement in case seeing how 242 00:11:25,320 --> 00:11:27,480 Speaker 4: things play out in spring, and they played out that 243 00:11:27,520 --> 00:11:30,839 Speaker 4: way because Ferguson unfortunately got hurt. So it turned out 244 00:11:30,840 --> 00:11:34,280 Speaker 4: the decision to guaranteem all that salary in November paid off. 245 00:11:34,280 --> 00:11:36,760 Speaker 4: Now he doesn't have options, but he looks He looks 246 00:11:36,800 --> 00:11:39,640 Speaker 4: good when he's throwing strikes, and he's throwing more strikes recently, 247 00:11:39,720 --> 00:11:42,600 Speaker 4: so it's him versus Maxwell for that last I think 248 00:11:42,720 --> 00:11:45,440 Speaker 4: Maul's lack of options nudges him. 249 00:11:45,360 --> 00:11:45,800 Speaker 2: Up the board. 250 00:11:46,280 --> 00:11:49,160 Speaker 3: Charlie, when everything went down with Hunter Green, I think 251 00:11:49,200 --> 00:11:51,480 Speaker 3: there was a lot of folks that were just confused 252 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:55,080 Speaker 3: about the timeline and why this wasn't addressed when the 253 00:11:55,120 --> 00:11:58,360 Speaker 3: offseason got here, and how it worked when Hunter Green 254 00:11:58,480 --> 00:12:01,720 Speaker 3: arrived back to spring training and he did speak earlier 255 00:12:01,760 --> 00:12:03,520 Speaker 3: in the week, how much of that now has been 256 00:12:03,600 --> 00:12:07,000 Speaker 3: cleared up in your opinion of why this decision was 257 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:10,319 Speaker 3: made in the offseason verse now the surgery having to happen. 258 00:12:10,400 --> 00:12:12,319 Speaker 3: How much did did Hunter Green clear up for you 259 00:12:12,679 --> 00:12:13,920 Speaker 3: when he spoke earlier in the week. 260 00:12:15,280 --> 00:12:17,720 Speaker 4: This is by far the most transparent Hunter's ever been 261 00:12:17,720 --> 00:12:20,000 Speaker 4: about an injury like the groin injury last year. We 262 00:12:20,040 --> 00:12:24,240 Speaker 4: never got a ton of solid exactly what was going on, 263 00:12:24,320 --> 00:12:28,040 Speaker 4: just from when he tweaked it again in July and 264 00:12:28,080 --> 00:12:31,160 Speaker 4: why he needed an extra rehab a start and stuff 265 00:12:31,200 --> 00:12:35,480 Speaker 4: like that. Like meanwhile, Hunter now is showing us specifically 266 00:12:35,520 --> 00:12:39,120 Speaker 4: his range of motion and talking about the recommendation he 267 00:12:39,160 --> 00:12:41,559 Speaker 4: got from Elatrosha in October and what that meant for 268 00:12:41,640 --> 00:12:44,320 Speaker 4: the timeline. Like he went through every detail and I 269 00:12:44,320 --> 00:12:46,240 Speaker 4: think if you listen to to the whole eight minutes, 270 00:12:46,679 --> 00:12:48,800 Speaker 4: it makes sense here and what he's coming from. Honestly, 271 00:12:48,880 --> 00:12:51,800 Speaker 4: Like sincerely not to be too positive, but my reaction 272 00:12:51,960 --> 00:12:55,040 Speaker 4: talking to Hunter was feeling better about the second half 273 00:12:55,040 --> 00:12:57,920 Speaker 4: of Hunter season than I felt coming in. Literally him 274 00:12:57,960 --> 00:13:01,280 Speaker 4: showing this the range of motion, that it's just some 275 00:13:01,440 --> 00:13:03,400 Speaker 4: tape over his elbow as opposed to any sort of 276 00:13:03,440 --> 00:13:06,600 Speaker 4: brace or soft cast or anything like that. The idea 277 00:13:06,640 --> 00:13:10,040 Speaker 4: that he and he talked about this the chips are removed, 278 00:13:10,160 --> 00:13:13,199 Speaker 4: so like the issue was fixed, and then he kind 279 00:13:13,200 --> 00:13:15,160 Speaker 4: of hinted at the idea of beating the timeline, so 280 00:13:15,160 --> 00:13:16,719 Speaker 4: we'll see what happens. I don't think the Reds want 281 00:13:16,760 --> 00:13:18,840 Speaker 4: him to rush it because of how important he is, 282 00:13:19,920 --> 00:13:21,760 Speaker 4: but I felt better after seeing Hunter. 283 00:13:21,600 --> 00:13:22,240 Speaker 2: And talking to him. 284 00:13:22,480 --> 00:13:23,920 Speaker 1: I agree with that. I said that the other day. 285 00:13:23,920 --> 00:13:27,200 Speaker 1: Do you think that like the way the narrative has 286 00:13:27,280 --> 00:13:31,240 Speaker 1: maybe gone about him and his career has led to 287 00:13:31,320 --> 00:13:34,040 Speaker 1: him being more transparent because I remember talking having the 288 00:13:34,080 --> 00:13:37,160 Speaker 1: conversation with Tony is like, I wish more athletes would 289 00:13:37,160 --> 00:13:38,840 Speaker 1: just be like, yeah, this is what happened, this is 290 00:13:38,840 --> 00:13:41,560 Speaker 1: what I got fixed. Obviously, it's their prerogative what they 291 00:13:41,559 --> 00:13:43,079 Speaker 1: want to share and not share. But do you think 292 00:13:43,080 --> 00:13:45,880 Speaker 1: that the whole conversation around him kind of led to that. 293 00:13:48,280 --> 00:13:48,720 Speaker 2: I don't know. 294 00:13:48,880 --> 00:13:51,160 Speaker 4: I think Hunter is very aware of what he's putting 295 00:13:51,160 --> 00:13:54,120 Speaker 4: out there, especially now leaning into putting them more out there, 296 00:13:54,160 --> 00:13:56,079 Speaker 4: even going back to the statement that he put out 297 00:13:56,120 --> 00:13:58,360 Speaker 4: as soon as he got the final opinion from Mila 298 00:13:58,400 --> 00:14:01,480 Speaker 4: Trush that led to this where is this Transparency's said 299 00:14:01,520 --> 00:14:04,000 Speaker 4: from an injury perspective that Hunter that Honestly, I think 300 00:14:04,320 --> 00:14:06,880 Speaker 4: we were getting from a baseball side and a mentality 301 00:14:06,920 --> 00:14:09,200 Speaker 4: side too with Hunter before the injury, Like when he 302 00:14:09,280 --> 00:14:14,520 Speaker 4: was healthy, I also think he was just he's always 303 00:14:14,520 --> 00:14:17,440 Speaker 4: been authentic, that's not the right word, but just more 304 00:14:17,520 --> 00:14:21,360 Speaker 4: revealing and more Hunter as opposed to saying what you 305 00:14:21,360 --> 00:14:23,800 Speaker 4: feel like you're supposed to say, like every athlete feels 306 00:14:23,840 --> 00:14:26,240 Speaker 4: that way. I think that's just, more than anything, a 307 00:14:26,280 --> 00:14:28,360 Speaker 4: part of him growing and maturing and evolving in the 308 00:14:28,360 --> 00:14:31,280 Speaker 4: fact that he's like twenty six now instead of you know, 309 00:14:31,320 --> 00:14:32,960 Speaker 4: twenty two and just trying to stick in the big 310 00:14:33,040 --> 00:14:35,440 Speaker 4: leagues and figure out how this all works. I thought 311 00:14:35,480 --> 00:14:38,080 Speaker 4: the story of Hunter's season was going to be this 312 00:14:38,160 --> 00:14:41,040 Speaker 4: side of Hunter showcasing itself. 313 00:14:40,680 --> 00:14:43,200 Speaker 2: More because he was just more comfortable and more confident. 314 00:14:43,240 --> 00:14:45,240 Speaker 4: Now, of course it's played out with the injury fashion, 315 00:14:45,640 --> 00:14:46,800 Speaker 4: but I think it all ties together. 316 00:14:47,240 --> 00:14:49,640 Speaker 3: We've had a chance to talk with you all along 317 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:54,560 Speaker 3: your trip to spring training and kind of judging what 318 00:14:54,600 --> 00:14:57,440 Speaker 3: you've heard back here in Cincinnati, is there a player 319 00:14:57,520 --> 00:15:01,080 Speaker 3: or players that we're not talking about enough based on 320 00:15:01,120 --> 00:15:02,320 Speaker 3: the spring training that they're having. 321 00:15:02,360 --> 00:15:06,920 Speaker 2: In your opinion, Bla Day's one. He looks good. 322 00:15:07,000 --> 00:15:10,240 Speaker 4: He finished second on my player poll survey in terms 323 00:15:10,240 --> 00:15:11,360 Speaker 4: of who's turning heads like. 324 00:15:11,600 --> 00:15:12,160 Speaker 2: I see it. 325 00:15:12,240 --> 00:15:14,000 Speaker 4: I see the tools of why he was a top 326 00:15:14,040 --> 00:15:16,200 Speaker 4: five pick and whatever draft. The problem is is I 327 00:15:16,240 --> 00:15:18,680 Speaker 4: was saying, like, the Reds can't really guarantee him playing time, 328 00:15:19,200 --> 00:15:24,320 Speaker 4: so it's tricky from a pitching side. I think Williamson, 329 00:15:24,480 --> 00:15:27,560 Speaker 4: you know, we get it now, but he's the one 330 00:15:27,600 --> 00:15:30,760 Speaker 4: who really forced this issue of this condensed six man rotation. 331 00:15:31,360 --> 00:15:34,320 Speaker 4: Like literally the story goes, Williamson just shoved against the 332 00:15:34,400 --> 00:15:37,440 Speaker 4: Rockies in spring training, and Tito goes to Derrick Johnson 333 00:15:37,440 --> 00:15:39,280 Speaker 4: and he goes, I got an idea, and he kind 334 00:15:39,320 --> 00:15:41,640 Speaker 4: of pitched the idea that the Reds ended up running with, 335 00:15:42,040 --> 00:15:44,360 Speaker 4: So he belongs in that conversation. I'd also like to 336 00:15:44,360 --> 00:15:47,280 Speaker 4: give a shout up for Williamson just the human story here. 337 00:15:47,560 --> 00:15:49,760 Speaker 4: This is a guy who really hasn't pitched since twenty 338 00:15:49,800 --> 00:15:52,040 Speaker 4: twenty three. He got to call his wife and his 339 00:15:52,120 --> 00:15:54,280 Speaker 4: kids the other day and he said he did this together, 340 00:15:54,320 --> 00:15:55,440 Speaker 4: and I think that's pretty cool. 341 00:15:56,200 --> 00:15:58,160 Speaker 2: And then I mean I mentioned his name. Er, let 342 00:15:58,160 --> 00:15:58,960 Speaker 2: me give you two more. 343 00:15:59,120 --> 00:16:01,720 Speaker 4: I think Connor Phillip is one of the most important 344 00:16:01,720 --> 00:16:04,080 Speaker 4: people in this bullpen. Like there's a world where like 345 00:16:04,160 --> 00:16:06,480 Speaker 4: he's a seventh or eight thenning guy like by June, 346 00:16:07,200 --> 00:16:09,320 Speaker 4: there's a world where he struggles with his command. But 347 00:16:09,320 --> 00:16:11,880 Speaker 4: but I'm leaning more towards positive with him, with how 348 00:16:11,920 --> 00:16:15,000 Speaker 4: he's looked recently. Been a bullpen that needs more upside. 349 00:16:15,040 --> 00:16:17,600 Speaker 4: He is that upside, and then he got cut the 350 00:16:17,680 --> 00:16:19,600 Speaker 4: other day. But let's just make sure we say the 351 00:16:19,720 --> 00:16:22,400 Speaker 4: name Hagen Danner. One of the best stories on this 352 00:16:22,480 --> 00:16:25,200 Speaker 4: red steam, A converted catcher, a guy who debuted with 353 00:16:25,240 --> 00:16:28,200 Speaker 4: the Blue Jays in twenty three, pulled his oblique seven 354 00:16:28,240 --> 00:16:30,800 Speaker 4: pitches into his big league debut and hasn't been back since. 355 00:16:30,840 --> 00:16:33,320 Speaker 4: And I think he'll be back. And that's a testament 356 00:16:33,360 --> 00:16:35,520 Speaker 4: to how he's looked. 357 00:16:35,360 --> 00:16:37,040 Speaker 3: On the side of the Bengals. And I know it's 358 00:16:37,040 --> 00:16:39,360 Speaker 3: different because you've been wall to wall red since you've 359 00:16:39,400 --> 00:16:41,640 Speaker 3: been out there, but you've been able to keep up 360 00:16:42,080 --> 00:16:45,200 Speaker 3: with what the Bengals have and haven't done through this 361 00:16:45,320 --> 00:16:48,040 Speaker 3: course of the offseason. Are you surprised at the lack 362 00:16:48,600 --> 00:16:51,840 Speaker 3: of movement that we've seen from this organization throughout this period. 363 00:16:53,400 --> 00:16:55,800 Speaker 4: Well, I've come down on the Bengals in free agency 364 00:16:55,880 --> 00:16:59,120 Speaker 4: is they're just operating like a rebuilding team. Now, that 365 00:16:59,160 --> 00:17:01,960 Speaker 4: doesn't square with the fact that pros in his prime, 366 00:17:02,080 --> 00:17:04,600 Speaker 4: Chases in his prime, Higgins is in his prime. This 367 00:17:04,640 --> 00:17:08,639 Speaker 4: is probably a top two, top one offense in all football. Like, 368 00:17:08,640 --> 00:17:12,359 Speaker 4: I couldn't be higher on this offense. But every decision 369 00:17:12,440 --> 00:17:15,840 Speaker 4: you can view through the lens of rebuilding, getting quote 370 00:17:15,880 --> 00:17:18,720 Speaker 4: unquote young veterans who definitely haven't played their best football 371 00:17:19,040 --> 00:17:21,240 Speaker 4: in Cook and Mafay, who are now just a part 372 00:17:21,280 --> 00:17:25,160 Speaker 4: of the young core. Not blocking Night, not blocking Carter, 373 00:17:25,359 --> 00:17:28,720 Speaker 4: not blocking Stewart, not bringing in like a twenty twenty 374 00:17:28,760 --> 00:17:33,200 Speaker 4: four Von Bell who brings some experience and probably makes 375 00:17:33,240 --> 00:17:35,520 Speaker 4: you better in the short term, but doesn't fit that 376 00:17:35,560 --> 00:17:38,000 Speaker 4: ideal path in the long term. Now, again, the problem 377 00:17:38,080 --> 00:17:40,480 Speaker 4: is that doesn't square with the urgency that needs to 378 00:17:40,520 --> 00:17:43,440 Speaker 4: be represented and reflected in this season. Like I even 379 00:17:43,440 --> 00:17:45,840 Speaker 4: look at Jonathan Allen as a rebuilding style move because 380 00:17:45,880 --> 00:17:48,240 Speaker 4: it's not even a half measure, it's a quarter measure 381 00:17:48,320 --> 00:17:50,600 Speaker 4: just to get an adult in the room at defensive tackle. 382 00:17:50,960 --> 00:17:53,359 Speaker 2: Like they could have done so much more if it was. 383 00:17:55,200 --> 00:17:56,960 Speaker 4: An all in year kind of like last year was 384 00:17:57,000 --> 00:17:58,720 Speaker 4: when they gave a thirty year old Tree Hendrickson a 385 00:17:58,800 --> 00:18:01,040 Speaker 4: raise to bring him back for one more year. They 386 00:18:01,040 --> 00:18:04,159 Speaker 4: have a completely reversed course, and that has me lower 387 00:18:04,200 --> 00:18:06,200 Speaker 4: on this defense in the short term than I would 388 00:18:06,200 --> 00:18:08,280 Speaker 4: have been have they been more proactive in the offseason. 389 00:18:08,359 --> 00:18:11,720 Speaker 3: A member of this defense has passed called it quitch yesterday, 390 00:18:11,760 --> 00:18:15,640 Speaker 3: helding him up Logan Wilson. Any I know there's a lot, 391 00:18:15,680 --> 00:18:19,199 Speaker 3: but any memories in covering this team stand out to 392 00:18:19,240 --> 00:18:21,960 Speaker 3: you about just how good Logan Wilson was not only 393 00:18:22,040 --> 00:18:23,600 Speaker 3: on the field, but great off the field as well. 394 00:18:25,240 --> 00:18:28,800 Speaker 4: There was one play that, like everyone in the building 395 00:18:28,840 --> 00:18:30,960 Speaker 4: always talked about. It was that Thursday night game against 396 00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:33,400 Speaker 4: the Dolphins. Third and one, like the best runfit I've 397 00:18:33,400 --> 00:18:33,840 Speaker 4: ever seen. 398 00:18:33,880 --> 00:18:35,399 Speaker 2: He just saw it. You read it. 399 00:18:35,800 --> 00:18:38,119 Speaker 4: He made this tackle for loss that like saved that 400 00:18:38,160 --> 00:18:41,119 Speaker 4: game for the Bengals. I tweeted this yesterday. I think 401 00:18:41,160 --> 00:18:44,080 Speaker 4: about the twenty twenty two Bengals defense often actually talk 402 00:18:44,119 --> 00:18:47,120 Speaker 4: about it often, not often, but like several times too, 403 00:18:47,280 --> 00:18:49,720 Speaker 4: like recently with people in the building. 404 00:18:49,520 --> 00:18:53,200 Speaker 2: Like who's the von Bell going to be? 405 00:18:53,240 --> 00:18:54,639 Speaker 4: And it doesn't have to be a safety, but the 406 00:18:54,680 --> 00:18:57,960 Speaker 4: guy who is bringing everyone together having done the homework 407 00:18:58,000 --> 00:19:01,399 Speaker 4: from an ex's and o's perspective, and on Tuesdays is 408 00:19:01,440 --> 00:19:05,000 Speaker 4: getting everyone ready to go for what they are prepared 409 00:19:05,040 --> 00:19:06,600 Speaker 4: for the game plan to be. And then also has 410 00:19:06,600 --> 00:19:09,040 Speaker 4: that versatility on the field. Who's gonna be the Mike Hilton, 411 00:19:09,520 --> 00:19:12,119 Speaker 4: the juice, who's gonna be the Logan Wolves and the 412 00:19:12,160 --> 00:19:15,040 Speaker 4: tackler and the turnover generator, Like I think of those 413 00:19:15,160 --> 00:19:18,719 Speaker 4: roles both intangibly in the locker room and on the field. 414 00:19:19,920 --> 00:19:22,760 Speaker 4: I felt like it fits so perfectly that that's just 415 00:19:22,880 --> 00:19:26,400 Speaker 4: the archetype. That is how in my head I try 416 00:19:26,400 --> 00:19:31,080 Speaker 4: to build defenses like that defense was un believable. And 417 00:19:31,119 --> 00:19:34,000 Speaker 4: I don't think that gets talked about enough. And I 418 00:19:34,080 --> 00:19:36,720 Speaker 4: think of that often as I think how should this look? 419 00:19:37,040 --> 00:19:38,080 Speaker 4: That's always something in. 420 00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:38,680 Speaker 2: The back of my head. 421 00:19:39,840 --> 00:19:42,520 Speaker 3: Charlie, you're the best man. We cannot thank you for 422 00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:45,199 Speaker 3: moving around your schedule to join us today. I know 423 00:19:45,240 --> 00:19:47,560 Speaker 3: it's a busy time. Opening Day a week from today. 424 00:19:48,640 --> 00:19:50,960 Speaker 3: I'll leave you with that. What I know Opening days 425 00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:53,720 Speaker 3: a special time for so many people here in Cincinnati. 426 00:19:54,359 --> 00:19:56,639 Speaker 3: What is it about Opening Day that makes it so 427 00:19:56,640 --> 00:20:00,000 Speaker 3: special for you? 428 00:20:00,280 --> 00:20:02,920 Speaker 4: So my biggest takeaway just from the Reds over the 429 00:20:02,960 --> 00:20:06,200 Speaker 4: last calendar year, really seeing their return last year, seeing 430 00:20:06,240 --> 00:20:08,920 Speaker 4: them in the playoffs, feeling the buzz in spring training, 431 00:20:08,920 --> 00:20:11,359 Speaker 4: because I really do feel it. People love the Reds 432 00:20:11,359 --> 00:20:14,879 Speaker 4: man like that hasn't changed. Like I see that, I 433 00:20:14,920 --> 00:20:16,800 Speaker 4: see that in kind of the communities I'm a part of, 434 00:20:16,920 --> 00:20:20,399 Speaker 4: both online and in person, Like I just feel that 435 00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:24,159 Speaker 4: in such a significant way. And you don't feel that 436 00:20:24,240 --> 00:20:26,760 Speaker 4: anymore than you do an opening day, and I think 437 00:20:26,760 --> 00:20:29,360 Speaker 4: people are genuinely excited about this team, and that's refreshing. 438 00:20:30,040 --> 00:20:32,080 Speaker 1: Charlie, you are the best. What are you gonna do 439 00:20:32,119 --> 00:20:34,439 Speaker 1: all day? Charlie, it's an off set. It's four thousand 440 00:20:34,520 --> 00:20:37,560 Speaker 1: degrees outside. You're gonna sit around and watch college basketball 441 00:20:37,600 --> 00:20:41,680 Speaker 1: like everybody? Yeah, yeah, I feel like last times were 442 00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:43,480 Speaker 1: happening because we don't have any on last time. 443 00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:44,080 Speaker 2: I asked Austin. 444 00:20:44,119 --> 00:20:46,040 Speaker 3: He said, Ohio State was down four and I looking there, 445 00:20:46,040 --> 00:20:47,200 Speaker 3: down fifteen at the half. 446 00:20:47,240 --> 00:20:48,320 Speaker 1: Are they actually yes? 447 00:20:48,520 --> 00:20:49,080 Speaker 2: Oh no? 448 00:20:49,520 --> 00:20:52,520 Speaker 3: Not great for Bruce Thornton's NCAA tournament life. 449 00:20:52,600 --> 00:20:52,879 Speaker 1: Charlie. 450 00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:55,840 Speaker 3: What's the easiest way that folks can follow along everything 451 00:20:55,840 --> 00:20:58,080 Speaker 3: you got going on with with your coverage of Reds, 452 00:20:58,119 --> 00:20:59,200 Speaker 3: Bangles and so much more. 453 00:21:00,359 --> 00:21:03,359 Speaker 4: We got Charlie's chalkboard on Substacking on Fox nineteen. We 454 00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:06,119 Speaker 4: got big things coming up with our stacks, well, the 455 00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:08,560 Speaker 4: Reds podcast they do with Brian Keyes and Sly. It's 456 00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:10,919 Speaker 4: it's a fun time of year. I'm excited to be 457 00:21:10,920 --> 00:21:11,919 Speaker 4: going with baseball season. 458 00:21:12,080 --> 00:21:14,800 Speaker 3: Can't wait to see you soon, Charlie. Miss you out there. 459 00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:19,119 Speaker 3: Have a great one that is Charlie Goldsmith always always 460 00:21:19,119 --> 00:21:22,480 Speaker 3: gracious with his time and uh man, that was a 461 00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:26,320 Speaker 3: that was interesting that I hadn't thought of that Austin 462 00:21:26,359 --> 00:21:28,960 Speaker 3: when he described the Bengals defense as a defense on 463 00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:32,680 Speaker 3: the outside, feels like it's rebuilding because you don't think that. Yeah, 464 00:21:32,680 --> 00:21:34,800 Speaker 3: when you think about how good the offense is and 465 00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:37,440 Speaker 3: Joe Burrow being in his prime, you don't have time 466 00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:39,880 Speaker 3: for a rebuild. But the moves they've made. 467 00:21:39,680 --> 00:21:41,879 Speaker 1: I'd like to rebuild the linebackers. 468 00:21:43,359 --> 00:21:47,840 Speaker 3: Got it feels like that. Logan, Hello, yeah, Actually, Logan, 469 00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:52,640 Speaker 3: are you sure come back one more chance? We'll take 470 00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:53,359 Speaker 3: ourselves a break. 471 00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:55,840 Speaker 1: What I think is crazy is both Logan Wilson and 472 00:21:55,880 --> 00:21:59,959 Speaker 1: Sam Hubbard are retired. Logan Wilson was the one who 473 00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:02,679 Speaker 1: worse the fumble on the Hubbard yard dash. Wow, the 474 00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:06,040 Speaker 1: two key pieces in maybe the most iconic play in 475 00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:08,760 Speaker 1: the history of the franchise, Take me back in that 476 00:22:08,840 --> 00:22:12,040 Speaker 1: twenty twenty two defense that Charlie was referring to, take 477 00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:14,720 Speaker 1: me back have left the National Football League. 478 00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:18,080 Speaker 3: We'll leave now for a few minutes. We'll come back 479 00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:21,600 Speaker 3: with your talkbacks on ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station. 480 00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:25,480 Speaker 2: Hey Alexa what's going on in the NFL. 481 00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:28,800 Speaker 3: Getting ESPN is fifteen thirty from iHeartRadio. 482 00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:32,879 Speaker 5: When you shop Goodwill, you don't just bring home a 483 00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:36,359 Speaker 5: vintage dress or cat lamp. 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