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Speaker 2: Scott Flump Show On seven hundred WLW at ten oh

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Speaker 2: six this morning, Kim Kober, president of the FOP, is

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Speaker 2: his reaction to the reports about Terry Fiji some six

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Speaker 2: months in the making, the police chief in Limbo, if

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Speaker 3: The report came out. Her attorney said it was going

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Speaker 3: to be a hatchet job, and it certainly looks that way.

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Speaker 3: We'll get in the details of that what it means

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Speaker 3: for you if you live, work, or just head downtown

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Speaker 3: to Cincinnati for Reds game like this afternoon at eleven

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Speaker 3: It wasn't good yesterday. Hopefully today gets better. Although you

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Speaker 3: We jump into this topic this morning before we get

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Speaker 3: to all that. And for the first time since nineteen

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Speaker 3: seventy two, humans are headed to the Moon and tonight

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Speaker 3: could be launch night. It's the art and out the

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Speaker 3: art miss one. This is the Artemiss two and it's

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Speaker 3: part of a new space race at the cost of

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Speaker 3: forty four billion dollars for a rocket to circumnavigate the

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Speaker 3: Moon on that, of course, is Cincinnati's an. He is

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Speaker 3: Cincinnati's astronomer. That is the legendary Dean Regus joined the

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Speaker 3: show where we're at Astrodean dot com. Dean, welcome, Hi,

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Speaker 3: you ben doing.

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Speaker 4: Good, glad to be here on this momentous hopefully launch day.

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Speaker 3: Yes, a lot of money, forty four billion, A lot

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Speaker 3: of money for a fake mission. What do you think

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Speaker 3: they're really using the money for, because I mean, we're

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Speaker 3: not going to go around the moon. This is all cgi,

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Speaker 3: this is all Hollywood. It's all fake, right, Dean. No

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Speaker 3: one's gone to the Moon before. We're just we're taking

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Speaker 3: that forty four billion. I don't forgive it to hum Israel.

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Speaker 3: I know what we're doing with the money.

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Speaker 4: But your speculation there, well, I'm certainly hope it's going

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Speaker 4: to be more than tang, that's for sure.

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Speaker 5: I hope we get a lot out of it.

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Speaker 4: But I think it's you know, the thing with the

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Speaker 4: space race, it is, uh, we can think a lot

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Speaker 4: of our everyday things we use like the Internet and

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Speaker 4: like satellites and things like that for that. So I

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Speaker 4: think the money did was well spent back in the day.

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Speaker 4: This mission is going to be an interesting one because,

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Speaker 4: like you said, the first time we've gone to the

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Speaker 4: Moon in fifty some years, and this is a This

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Speaker 4: is a long delayed mission also, so this has been

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Speaker 4: around for a while. If people have been following this,

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Speaker 4: probably noticed that they were supposed to launch in February

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Speaker 4: and March. Then they rolled the rocket back and now

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Speaker 4: it's April. All signs from everything I can tell, seems

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Speaker 4: like it's going to launch this week and it all

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Speaker 4: seems good.

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Speaker 5: So fingers are crossed for it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's been delayed and delayed and delayed, and tonight

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Speaker 3: looks like tonight. I was looking at the forecast and

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Speaker 3: it looks like a go right now. Of course, anything

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Speaker 3: be scrubbing it as we speak right now. I don't know.

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Speaker 3: But it's more than a fifty years since Apollo seventeen

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Speaker 3: you mentioned. Now with fifty two years, well, why is

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Speaker 3: it taking this long to get humans back to the Moon.

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Speaker 3: It's not even on the moon. But this is in

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Speaker 4: Well, the way I look at this is, you know,

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Speaker 4: the Apollo missions that sent Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin too,

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Speaker 4: much caused by the space race with the Russians and

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Speaker 4: all that, So there's this great motivation once that was done.

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Speaker 4: The way I take it is that the Apollo missions

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Speaker 4: It's pretty darn hard to get to and so they

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Speaker 4: Because they said, all right, mission accomplished.

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Speaker 4: So I think it was you know, what is the

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Speaker 3: Don't to me is what what are they doing? And

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Speaker 3: fly Well, we've done that several times fifty something years ago.

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Speaker 3: Why are we doing this again. What's the point of it?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, the trajectory of this mission, it's really interesting. So

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Speaker 4: and I'll take them about four days to get to

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Speaker 4: So the whole thing's gonna.

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Speaker 5: Last about ten days.

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Speaker 4: And it's a little different than the Apollo eight mission

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Speaker 4: is just testing out can we get them out there

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Speaker 4: landing is going to be in a few years if

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Speaker 4: everything goes well. But there's a lot of people in

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Speaker 4: it is a great expense of money, and so what

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Speaker 3: A test drive maybe from Mars. But yeah, if we

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Speaker 3: it should be much easier to do it in twenty

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Speaker 4: It should? And that's one of the other things is

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Speaker 5: I mean, we know this from the Apollo.

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Speaker 4: They're being extra extra, extra cautious kind of thing because

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Speaker 4: Of nervous engineers and astronomers right now watching this because

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Speaker 3: Well, this is the Artemis too, and of course we

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Speaker 3: all remember what happened to Artemis one. It struck an

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Speaker 3: The heat shield on the Orion was damaged on their

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Speaker 4: I think so? And then then of course it hit.

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Speaker 5: The tower in New Jersey and burst in the place.

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Speaker 3: Oh the humanity, Oh the humanity.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, boy, we're really throwing back here, Sloan. Anyway, now,

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Speaker 3: Okay, and eventually the moon will the moon just fades away?

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Speaker 3: of course, but that's interesting. Dean Regas, Yeah, the moon.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, the Moon is moving away from them at a

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Speaker 3: Of here, slipping away from a Stean Regas, Cincinnati's astronomer

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Speaker 3: the window is good for launch for Artemis two, which

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Speaker 3: often learned news from media and not chain of command.

438
00:20:32,480 --> 00:20:36,760
Speaker 3: They felt there's a strong culture retaliation within CPD. That

439
00:20:37,080 --> 00:20:39,760
Speaker 3: she blocked City Hall, including the city Manager and assistant

440
00:20:39,800 --> 00:20:42,199
Speaker 3: city Manager, from communicating with the command staff. That she

441
00:20:43,359 --> 00:20:46,280
Speaker 3: failed to fully implement the Summer Safety Plan while publicly

442
00:20:46,280 --> 00:20:49,360
Speaker 3: agreeing to it, didn't talk to city Hall when overtime's

443
00:20:49,359 --> 00:20:51,920
Speaker 3: loss were unfilled. But as I recall, part of this too,

444
00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:56,720
Speaker 3: when the implementation of that summer safety plan was the

445
00:20:56,760 --> 00:21:00,359
Speaker 3: fact that it had to do with overtime hours. Terry

446
00:21:00,359 --> 00:21:04,480
Speaker 3: Thigi thought during your tenure that officers were burned out.

447
00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:07,040
Speaker 3: And I've talked to a lot of cops who have retired.

448
00:21:07,080 --> 00:21:08,399
Speaker 3: Some of them said, well, I'm not a big fan

449
00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:12,720
Speaker 3: of Terry Thigi. And that's fair because how many people

450
00:21:12,760 --> 00:21:17,159
Speaker 3: truly love their employer or their boss. Not many, not many,

451
00:21:18,200 --> 00:21:20,399
Speaker 3: So that makes sense in that regard, But when it

452
00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:23,320
Speaker 3: comes to the chain of command and people not knowing

453
00:21:23,359 --> 00:21:26,240
Speaker 3: and not implementing the summer safety plan, well, that's because

454
00:21:26,359 --> 00:21:28,879
Speaker 3: officers are reporting and this is the rank and file

455
00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:32,879
Speaker 3: po's are saying, Look, I'm burned out, I appreciate the overtime,

456
00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:34,960
Speaker 3: the money's great, and there's gonna be a number of people.

457
00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:36,800
Speaker 3: I'll take all the hours I can get. There's people

458
00:21:36,840 --> 00:21:40,320
Speaker 3: like that. But in today's climate, we know that quality

459
00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:42,280
Speaker 3: of life is a big issue, especially if you're younger,

460
00:21:42,320 --> 00:21:46,440
Speaker 3: and this would be police officers. Younger people cherish time off.

461
00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:48,320
Speaker 3: They don't look at this, I'm gonna try and get

462
00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:50,439
Speaker 3: all the money i can get and then retire in

463
00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:52,440
Speaker 3: a few years. Now they're going, I'm going to enjoy

464
00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:53,879
Speaker 3: it along the way. So quality of life is a

465
00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:55,880
Speaker 3: huge issue, and for your mental health as well. There's

466
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Speaker 3: no more stressful job than being a cop in the

467
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Speaker 3: city of Cincinnati, particularly district run. And so I think,

468
00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:05,000
Speaker 3: not knowing the inter workings of this thing, that that's

469
00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:07,520
Speaker 3: one point I would push back on out of probably many,

470
00:22:07,600 --> 00:22:10,959
Speaker 3: but that well, the officers the forced overtime, even at

471
00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:14,800
Speaker 3: double time, Okay, but does that get your time with

472
00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:16,920
Speaker 3: your families. They get your time off to enjoy how

473
00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:18,960
Speaker 3: hard you work, because you do need that balance. I

474
00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:21,000
Speaker 3: think that's what she was going at with the summer

475
00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:24,080
Speaker 3: safety plan, and the city said no, no, no, she

476
00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:27,160
Speaker 3: didn't take it seriously. I don't know this all haption

477
00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:29,679
Speaker 3: happened in and around and during the election, and one

478
00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:32,160
Speaker 3: of the big issues, of course is that and have

479
00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:34,560
Speaker 3: to have pureval. The administration says that's not the reason

480
00:22:34,560 --> 00:22:38,040
Speaker 3: why she got fired or she was relieved of her job.

481
00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:41,000
Speaker 3: It's because of all these other things. But I'm looking

482
00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:43,679
Speaker 3: through this going I can be honest with you, I'm

483
00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:47,480
Speaker 3: leaning towards Steven m he's the attorney for Terry Fiji

484
00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:51,199
Speaker 3: and calling this thing a hatchet job. I agree in

485
00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:53,280
Speaker 3: many aspects of this thing, and looking through the report,

486
00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:56,640
Speaker 3: going all right, so we fired her. But I guess

487
00:22:56,680 --> 00:22:59,919
Speaker 3: the question is, if she was doing all these things poorly,

488
00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:02,879
Speaker 3: why wouldn't you have given her a performance review? Why

489
00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:05,440
Speaker 3: wouldn't you given her a notice? I will ask Julie

490
00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:08,200
Speaker 3: Bouki about this too. At ten thirty five. Oddly enough,

491
00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:10,639
Speaker 3: today Kurus suirpsent at ten thirty and we're going to

492
00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:12,120
Speaker 3: talk I'm going to talk to her about this after

493
00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:14,919
Speaker 3: ken Kober's on the show, and how this applies to

494
00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:17,800
Speaker 3: me and you in the workplace. Like we know, you

495
00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:20,000
Speaker 3: can get fired for any reason. Now, if your employee

496
00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:21,320
Speaker 3: wants to fire you, they'll come up with a cause.

497
00:23:21,359 --> 00:23:23,879
Speaker 3: They'll find four cause. As it is, right, that's easy

498
00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:26,800
Speaker 3: to do, it's very easy to do. But if you're

499
00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:30,520
Speaker 3: not getting annual reviews and she hadn't had a review

500
00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:33,760
Speaker 3: in seven years as chief, then how do you know

501
00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:35,959
Speaker 3: if you're doing a good job? How do you know

502
00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:40,280
Speaker 3: what the expectations are? That's poor communication and a lack

503
00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:43,679
Speaker 3: of transparency in my opinion, from the same administration that

504
00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:47,200
Speaker 3: is holding her to a different standard. Now, she said

505
00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:49,639
Speaker 3: she think she was the best chief the Sins of

506
00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:53,560
Speaker 3: the City has ever had. Probably probably not. But again

507
00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:55,600
Speaker 3: it's is she seen thought she was doing a great job?

508
00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:58,960
Speaker 3: Why because she's getting no feedback? Isn't that a breakdown

509
00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:02,520
Speaker 3: the most basic break down of with the problem with

510
00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:04,320
Speaker 3: this report And I'm sure there's other ones at ken

511
00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:09,199
Speaker 3: kobral Outline at ten oh six this morning, But if

512
00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:11,800
Speaker 3: I'm doing a bad job, shouldn't you be put on notice?

513
00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:13,640
Speaker 3: I mean, you may run a company. You may work

514
00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:17,520
Speaker 3: for someone and you kind of know if you're on

515
00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:21,160
Speaker 3: the radar, because they'll call you in and say, hey,

516
00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:23,240
Speaker 3: we got a problem with this, we got a problem

517
00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:25,760
Speaker 3: with that. We got all right, so I'm kind of

518
00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:28,800
Speaker 3: being put on notice, or hey, we're going to sit

519
00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:31,520
Speaker 3: down and give you a what do they call a

520
00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:33,919
Speaker 3: work improvement plan or whatever the hell it is and improved.

521
00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:35,960
Speaker 3: Once they put you on the improvement plan, you're going

522
00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:38,480
Speaker 3: to get fired. Hey, we're got to come up with

523
00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:40,760
Speaker 3: an improvement plan for you. Here's the terms of your

524
00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:42,840
Speaker 3: improvement plan. That's how you can get better at your job.

525
00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:45,200
Speaker 3: And if you do everything, you're still going to get

526
00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:47,440
Speaker 3: fired when you get that improvement. Basically, that's noticed that

527
00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:50,040
Speaker 3: say hey, we don't like you that much anymore. We

528
00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:52,320
Speaker 3: don't think you're doing a good job. Here's your improvement plan.

529
00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:54,080
Speaker 3: And even if you hit all the marks, typically you

530
00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:57,600
Speaker 3: wind up losing your job anyway. But that was never

531
00:24:57,600 --> 00:25:01,080
Speaker 3: done with Terry Thiji, and even in the report itself,

532
00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:03,639
Speaker 3: it kind of lose ethic. Well, she's never had, you know,

533
00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:06,120
Speaker 3: never had a review or anything, and everything's been fine,

534
00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:08,000
Speaker 3: and everything in her thirty five years has been good.

535
00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:10,000
Speaker 3: As well. So I don't know what to make of

536
00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:12,960
Speaker 3: this thing. So you know, you look at that, and

537
00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:17,040
Speaker 3: of course one is going to come to the conclusion

538
00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:19,960
Speaker 3: this is entirely political, much like what we just had

539
00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:23,240
Speaker 3: happened yesterday with the dismissal of the charges against Alec Tchavinsky.

540
00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:27,560
Speaker 3: Here's a guy that he's been fearing for retribution from

541
00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:30,119
Speaker 3: the courts for a while. It was the idea was that, well, no,

542
00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:33,800
Speaker 3: this is not a administrative or political move to go after

543
00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:37,840
Speaker 3: the white guy, so in an issue of fairness with

544
00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:40,280
Speaker 3: the people of color who were in that group. But

545
00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:43,520
Speaker 3: we now, we've learned ever since, and this was months

546
00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:46,000
Speaker 3: and months ago, that he was truly the victim here,

547
00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:48,919
Speaker 3: that he was responding to the assaults and the horrible

548
00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:52,080
Speaker 3: verbal and racist attacks against him, against the white guy.

549
00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:57,159
Speaker 3: And I'm sorry, when when you have a case like

550
00:25:57,200 --> 00:26:01,320
Speaker 3: Alea Tchairvinsky and Terry the they're kind of cover from

551
00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:03,080
Speaker 3: the same cloth. It's like we're just looking for a

552
00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:05,800
Speaker 3: scapegoat here, we're looking for we want to make everything

553
00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:08,320
Speaker 3: appear fair when it's really not. I mean, you can

554
00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:10,880
Speaker 3: fight for fairness and equity, inclusion, all those things, wonderful

555
00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:15,640
Speaker 3: things because I truly believe that you know who you are,

556
00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:18,280
Speaker 3: who you're born, what color you're born, or with gender,

557
00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:22,199
Speaker 3: whatever it might be. As no, doesn't ensure the quality

558
00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:24,440
Speaker 3: of the individual, the quality of the character. And doctor

559
00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:27,000
Speaker 3: King was right about that, you know, judge people in

560
00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:29,000
Speaker 3: their merits. For God's sakes, aren't we over the whole

561
00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:32,000
Speaker 3: skin color, gender identity nonsense. But some of the same

562
00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:34,480
Speaker 3: people fighting for that will use that as a stone

563
00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:37,240
Speaker 3: to throw against people who may push back on them.

564
00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:39,800
Speaker 3: And I don't think that's going to change anytime soon.

565
00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:44,439
Speaker 3: But here's Tchavinsky. The evidence indicates that he was a victim,

566
00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:46,879
Speaker 3: yet we're going to prosecute him anyway. How'd that end?

567
00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:51,600
Speaker 3: It end with a dismissal? So what did we learn

568
00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:54,879
Speaker 3: from this whole thing? The fact that it's pretty clear

569
00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:57,840
Speaker 3: with Tchavinsky, with Terry Thiji, that there's a lot of

570
00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:00,680
Speaker 3: political motivation in here and a lot of underhand politics

571
00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:03,360
Speaker 3: that are involved in the decision making in which they

572
00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:06,560
Speaker 3: say is transparent and crystal clear. And meanwhile we had

573
00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:08,800
Speaker 3: these two things I see better than I hear. Let's

574
00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:10,840
Speaker 3: put it that way. Cobra's on at ten oh six

575
00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:13,479
Speaker 3: this morning on the show on seven hundred w welw

576
00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:15,919
Speaker 3: and then Bauki to talk about how this what this

577
00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:18,240
Speaker 3: means for me and you in the workplace, how to

578
00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:22,119
Speaker 3: cover your You know what we are in the spring season.

579
00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:24,280
Speaker 3: I can tell because we have day baseball today, the

580
00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:26,480
Speaker 3: first day game of the year. Got the Pirates and

581
00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:29,520
Speaker 3: Paul Skeens and the Reds and Ander Rabbit and that's

582
00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:31,920
Speaker 3: a twelve forty start. Weather pending here on the Home

583
00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:34,720
Speaker 3: of the Red seven hundred ww. Seems like they're gonna

584
00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:37,720
Speaker 3: it might be the laid start this morning, but you know,

585
00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:39,600
Speaker 3: the rain is guy, it's gonna be heavy for a minute,

586
00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:40,920
Speaker 3: but it might be hit or miss. So we'll see.

587
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:43,199
Speaker 3: We'll see how works out. It's spring, you know, and

588
00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:45,400
Speaker 3: you know we'll see goods spring. I don't know about you,

589
00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:47,840
Speaker 3: but I'm getting ants at our house that I've never

590
00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:51,560
Speaker 3: seen before. And I guess this year because of the

591
00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:55,560
Speaker 3: winter that we had that ant invasions as common as

592
00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:58,280
Speaker 3: they are, they're super common, but this time of year,

593
00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:00,639
Speaker 3: especially with the winter we had, apparently it's a bad

594
00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:02,840
Speaker 3: ants season. You may have discovered ants in your home,

595
00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:06,160
Speaker 3: and not the au n t ants, the a nts

596
00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:09,000
Speaker 3: little pests because they look for two things. I look

597
00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:12,000
Speaker 3: for moisture and they look for food. And once it's

598
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:15,080
Speaker 3: started warms up, the colonies wake up. They expand they scout.

599
00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:19,320
Speaker 3: They're trying to claim more territory. And shower last night

600
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:22,120
Speaker 3: and my wife has is bougie old school bar soap

601
00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:24,480
Speaker 3: and the old school soap dish, and I think it's

602
00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:26,840
Speaker 3: got olive oil something in it anyway, and I look,

603
00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:28,840
Speaker 3: I'm like, what what is on that thing? I pick

604
00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:30,680
Speaker 3: it up and there's ants all over the bar of soap,

605
00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:33,639
Speaker 3: Like what? Well? That was an easy fix with the

606
00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:36,399
Speaker 3: water on and all that, but I was like, why

607
00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:41,360
Speaker 3: would ants want to eat soap? Stupid things had a

608
00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:44,720
Speaker 3: piece of I don't know, and wrapped in saran wrap

609
00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:47,240
Speaker 3: was banana bread or something like that, and the little

610
00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:48,920
Speaker 3: piece of it and that had the ants and in

611
00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:50,280
Speaker 3: their ants were nowhere else and there was a little

612
00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:53,800
Speaker 3: tiny microscopic ants too, by the way, And so the

613
00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:56,000
Speaker 3: best thing you can do being you know, mister diy

614
00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:58,920
Speaker 3: here on the station. The best product I think I

615
00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:00,880
Speaker 3: have found that I would you that I use it

616
00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:03,560
Speaker 3: somewhere else to is called Tarot liquid ant bait traps.

617
00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:06,760
Speaker 3: Those are pretty good. And what happens is you got

618
00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:08,440
Speaker 3: to be patient for these things. Takes about a week

619
00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:10,920
Speaker 3: or two for everything to work, because the ants will

620
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:12,600
Speaker 3: carry the bait back to the queen and the colony.

621
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:15,880
Speaker 3: It'll kill the colony. And yeah, you know, you can

622
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:18,160
Speaker 3: kill the the trail of ants inside the house all

623
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:20,800
Speaker 3: you want, but you want them to work for you.

624
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:23,040
Speaker 3: So think of it this way, is that they are

625
00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:27,640
Speaker 3: poisoning themselves, some stupid ants. You know, you can spray

626
00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:29,800
Speaker 3: all the raid you want around it, They're still going

627
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:31,160
Speaker 3: to come back at some point. And I know some

628
00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:33,760
Speaker 3: people will use like I think it's peppermint oil and

629
00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:36,920
Speaker 3: white vinegar and stuff like that, but that's all temporary.

630
00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:40,080
Speaker 3: And certainly we love to use natural products when you can,

631
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:42,720
Speaker 3: but if you have to find anything better than teror

632
00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:45,200
Speaker 3: liquid ant, bate. And then around the perimeter, which is

633
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:48,520
Speaker 3: outside your house, especially areas along liqu the garage door

634
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:53,120
Speaker 3: is entry points, foundation doors, things like that. You spray

635
00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:56,680
Speaker 3: a barrier around that of some sort of liquid insecticide

636
00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:59,800
Speaker 3: like an Ortho home defense or something like that, and

637
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:01,880
Speaker 3: around the garage door too, and you do it. You

638
00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:03,800
Speaker 3: do that outside. Don't use that stuff inside. That's the

639
00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:06,600
Speaker 3: outside stuff. Uh, and if it rains like it's going

640
00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:09,080
Speaker 3: to today, then you've got to reapply that. So you

641
00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:10,720
Speaker 3: kind of got a window there a few days to

642
00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:12,880
Speaker 3: do that. So it's got to soak in. And there's

643
00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:14,920
Speaker 3: also you know, some crystals and things you can use

644
00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:17,800
Speaker 3: as well, and I suppose you can use the natural options,

645
00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:19,880
Speaker 3: but the chemicals work pretty good. So you make that

646
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:23,400
Speaker 3: barrier around the house and then inside you do the

647
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:25,240
Speaker 3: bait and it's gonna take it's gonna take a minute

648
00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:27,440
Speaker 3: for the ants to go away, but they will. Uh.

649
00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:29,640
Speaker 3: And those are the small tiny answer. Seeing the carpenter

650
00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:32,000
Speaker 3: ants and the bigger ones and the special ones with wings,

651
00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:36,239
Speaker 3: that's a whole different situation you got. You see, you know,

652
00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:41,560
Speaker 3: you see ants with wings. Those are carpenter ants. That's different.

653
00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:44,080
Speaker 3: They those are the ones tunneling in wood and causing

654
00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:46,920
Speaker 3: structure to termites. And that's when you need to call

655
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:50,280
Speaker 3: a pest control professional just top of my head. So

656
00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:54,880
Speaker 3: use the perimeter spray, use the bait inside, and you

657
00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:56,840
Speaker 3: should be good to go. But man, the ants are

658
00:30:56,920 --> 00:30:59,440
Speaker 3: everywhere this year because of the winter that we just had.

659
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:03,600
Speaker 3: But that means the soil is warming up and we

660
00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:06,640
Speaker 3: are this close to it being summer. Believe it or not,

661
00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:10,120
Speaker 3: at some point summer will return. So we had a

662
00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:13,720
Speaker 3: couple of eighty degree days there. Pretty good, pretty good.

663
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:16,960
Speaker 3: I mentioned Reds Baseball Day twelve forty and Rabbit Paul skeens,

664
00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:18,920
Speaker 3: we'll have the call for you, Tommy throw all the

665
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:22,480
Speaker 3: Cowboy got that going for you down at GABP and

666
00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:26,800
Speaker 3: the Reds got stung last night pretty pretty badly. Williamson

667
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:29,160
Speaker 3: came in to bitch for the Reds. Listen to the

668
00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:31,800
Speaker 3: pregame show and he was talking about, Yeah, I feel

669
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:33,640
Speaker 3: so good, I lose I'm ready to go. I can't

670
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:35,560
Speaker 3: wait to start. This is gonna be awesome. Gets in

671
00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:38,280
Speaker 3: there and just absolutely rocked. Did not have it from

672
00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:40,400
Speaker 3: the jump, and the Reds took it on the chin

673
00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:42,920
Speaker 3: last night. So hopefully they can make that up and

674
00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:45,360
Speaker 3: win back to back series for the first time. I

675
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:47,160
Speaker 3: think it feels in forever that we started to open,

676
00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:49,680
Speaker 3: you know, the start of the season off on the

677
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:51,920
Speaker 3: right path here, you know, take two or three, you're

678
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:54,120
Speaker 3: doing pretty damn well. Do not want to drop the

679
00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:56,760
Speaker 3: series to the Pirates though, So Abbot's got his work

680
00:31:56,800 --> 00:31:58,720
Speaker 3: cut off for him, and hopefully maybe some long balls

681
00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:01,640
Speaker 3: today when we get started just about twelve forty so

682
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:03,400
Speaker 3: I mentioned that Ken Kober is coming up and then

683
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:06,800
Speaker 3: Julie Bauki Julie on the job. She'll analyze the Terry

684
00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:09,200
Speaker 3: Fiji report we'll get and that Sarah lisill drop by

685
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:11,200
Speaker 3: with the Snort report. It will be the outside pitch

686
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:14,000
Speaker 3: before the inside pitch here on the Home of the

687
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:16,920
Speaker 3: Red seven hundred WLW. Also a Dean Regas was on

688
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:20,360
Speaker 3: earlier and something else happening tonight because the game will

689
00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:22,920
Speaker 3: be over. If you're looking for something six twenty four tonight,

690
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:24,520
Speaker 3: so far it is on and that would be the

691
00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:30,440
Speaker 3: Artemis two launch. Dean Regas from Astrodean dot com formerly

692
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:34,520
Speaker 3: the Observatory in Cincinnati, Cincinnati's astronomer will be on. Was

693
00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:36,600
Speaker 3: on to talk about that a little bit earlier. And

694
00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:39,560
Speaker 3: you know, it's interesting why we're doing this thing now

695
00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:41,960
Speaker 3: and again, and I think it's fair to ask, you know,

696
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:44,080
Speaker 3: forty four billion dollars and we're just gonna fly a

697
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:46,240
Speaker 3: circle around the moon and come back, why are we

698
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:49,240
Speaker 3: doing this? Okay, at some point maybe we do go

699
00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:51,680
Speaker 3: to Mars. And forty four billion dollars is a lot

700
00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:55,040
Speaker 3: of money to do something we did fifty something years ago. Think,

701
00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:57,480
Speaker 3: all right, we did that already. This is pretty I

702
00:32:57,480 --> 00:33:01,480
Speaker 3: think it's fair to question this, quite honestly, in that, Okay,

703
00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:04,000
Speaker 3: we did this fifty two years ago. The technology is better,

704
00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:07,040
Speaker 3: the science is better. Therefore it's going to be much

705
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:09,240
Speaker 3: safer to do this. So if we did it fifty

706
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:11,680
Speaker 3: two years ago, why are we doing it again? I

707
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:13,600
Speaker 3: thought the whole point of the Space Shuttle was to

708
00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:16,080
Speaker 3: do this stuff, and we've gotten rid of that program.

709
00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:17,960
Speaker 3: And the idea was, hey, we could live in space

710
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:19,600
Speaker 3: and say, okay, great, now we're going to go back

711
00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:23,800
Speaker 3: to rockets again and do that. And this is ahead

712
00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:26,840
Speaker 3: of I guess maybe a Mars landing in twenty forty.

713
00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:30,400
Speaker 3: At some point, you know, it's cool stuff and things

714
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:32,280
Speaker 3: come out of the space where like this one they're

715
00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:34,400
Speaker 3: doing something like an organ on a chip is what

716
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:36,959
Speaker 3: I saw. I'm not sure what that actually means if

717
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:40,320
Speaker 3: that's a if that's a appetizer organ on a chip

718
00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:43,400
Speaker 3: like liver and potato chips, or it's actually a human

719
00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:45,960
Speaker 3: organ that's on a microchip, which is pretty cool, and

720
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:47,640
Speaker 3: what that means for the future. You always get something

721
00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:49,320
Speaker 3: good out of it. It just takes a while. It's the

722
00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:51,960
Speaker 3: point of this whole thing. So six twenty four tonight

723
00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:54,719
Speaker 3: and in the window there, I'll be the weather in

724
00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:56,880
Speaker 3: Florida right now for this launch looks like a lot

725
00:33:56,920 --> 00:33:59,560
Speaker 3: better for them, that is us for baseball at twelve

726
00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:01,920
Speaker 3: four hopefully fingers crossed here on the home of the

727
00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:04,719
Speaker 3: Red seven hundred WW, Cincinnati. Do you want to be

728
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:10,279
Speaker 3: a plenty on seven hundred WLW. It's often said that

729
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:13,000
Speaker 3: if a police officer wants to pull you over and

730
00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:15,400
Speaker 3: they're looking for a reason why, they'll find something. They'll

731
00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:18,560
Speaker 3: find tall light out, something blinking, touch the fog line,

732
00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:21,840
Speaker 3: touch center line, signal, to early signal too, something of

733
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:23,239
Speaker 3: those like that, if they want to they're looking to

734
00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:25,200
Speaker 3: pull you over, the pull you over? Did this just

735
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:28,280
Speaker 3: happened to Terry Thiji in a much bigger sense, of course,

736
00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:32,600
Speaker 3: Cincinnati releasing a bombshell report on the police chief in

737
00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:35,520
Speaker 3: the police chief in Limbo may have not been fired

738
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:38,640
Speaker 3: yet and after six months, roughly six months, thirty two

739
00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:41,880
Speaker 3: witnesses and now a verdict that could end your career.

740
00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:44,719
Speaker 3: This is what the investigation found. This is what an

741
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:47,120
Speaker 3: attorney called a shameful hatch at job the information is

742
00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:49,440
Speaker 3: out and some of the highlights we'll get into with

743
00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:52,879
Speaker 3: Ken Kober fopre president on the show on seven hundred WLW.

744
00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:56,319
Speaker 3: Safe to say, Ken that there's not much love lost here.

745
00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:57,799
Speaker 3: I know the rank and found that big fans of

746
00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:02,279
Speaker 3: Terry Thiji. But everyone hates their boss in America pretty much,

747
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:04,080
Speaker 3: don't they yees?

748
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:06,480
Speaker 7: Yeah for the most part, that's true. And your chiefs

749
00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:09,200
Speaker 7: are no exception. You have half the rank and file

750
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:11,239
Speaker 7: will love the chief and the other half won't. Let's

751
00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:13,000
Speaker 7: just just what society is.

752
00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:13,359
Speaker 5: Yeah.

753
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:17,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, So this investigation, I'm pretty thorough with Frost Brown,

754
00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:20,719
Speaker 3: Todd Gibbons did and talk to thirty two that they

755
00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:23,759
Speaker 3: interviewed thirty to forty two. A couple people obviously did

756
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:24,840
Speaker 3: not want to go on a record. A lot of

757
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:28,280
Speaker 3: people are nervous about this. The report concludes Terry Thigi

758
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:31,799
Speaker 3: has not been an effective leader of the department. Again,

759
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:34,080
Speaker 3: she has not fired at this time. It's an ongoing

760
00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:36,399
Speaker 3: personal matter. Whatever the hell that means. Six months later,

761
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:39,920
Speaker 3: that she was too old school, pretty authoritarian and rigid.

762
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:43,840
Speaker 3: Her communications style LA like transparency, distrust. There's a strong

763
00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:47,759
Speaker 3: culture of retaliation inside a CPD, and that if she

764
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:50,960
Speaker 3: allegedly blocked City Hall, and that would include the city

765
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:54,319
Speaker 3: manager and the assistant city Manager from communicating with her

766
00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:57,799
Speaker 3: command staff directly. I had to go through her, and

767
00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:01,800
Speaker 3: this of course started to unravel during the violent summer

768
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:04,400
Speaker 3: that we just had, and it became an untenable situation.

769
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:08,399
Speaker 3: Oddly enough, coincide, coinciding with the election. And so that's

770
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:11,279
Speaker 3: the political context, that's the facts of the matter here,

771
00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:13,720
Speaker 3: let's jump into the bones of this thing. The report

772
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:17,120
Speaker 3: says that she rejected the Mayor's office of double overtime pay,

773
00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:21,560
Speaker 3: citing a potential collective bargaining violation. Basically, she said that

774
00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:24,759
Speaker 3: the city wanted double time for officers. We're going to

775
00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:26,440
Speaker 3: work the hell out of you. She said, Well, I

776
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:28,239
Speaker 3: want my men and women to work the hell out

777
00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:30,160
Speaker 3: of and they need some time off and they should

778
00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:33,040
Speaker 3: only get time in a half as well. Did you

779
00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:35,120
Speaker 3: ever consult you with the FOP about that? And was

780
00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:35,520
Speaker 3: she right?

781
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:37,120
Speaker 5: Now?

782
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:40,920
Speaker 7: What we did talk about was the forced overtime that

783
00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:45,520
Speaker 7: city Hall wanted to put upon people, specifically to walk

784
00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:48,279
Speaker 7: in areas of Vine Street and Main Street and over

785
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:52,120
Speaker 7: the Rhine that quite honestly just weren't having problems when

786
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:55,440
Speaker 7: she talks about the data, the data did not suggest

787
00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:59,200
Speaker 7: in those blocks that they should be patrolling forced to

788
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:01,400
Speaker 7: work over time. And that's she said, I'm going to

789
00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:03,759
Speaker 7: I'm going to go the line, these cops are overworked.

790
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:05,719
Speaker 7: I'm not going to force them to work more.

791
00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:09,719
Speaker 3: Well, the cops were you're rank and file though, were

792
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:12,719
Speaker 3: they leaning more towards hey, I get extra money, I

793
00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:14,680
Speaker 3: get double time, or going, hey, thank god, I can't

794
00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:17,000
Speaker 3: work these many hours I had to manage. It was

795
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:20,360
Speaker 3: fairly divided. But what was the mindset generally speaking of

796
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:21,040
Speaker 3: the rank and file.

797
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:24,080
Speaker 7: Then for the most part, people are just burned out,

798
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:26,279
Speaker 7: and they're like, listen, we're working enough as it is.

799
00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:29,640
Speaker 7: You have you have a pretty small faction of the

800
00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:33,480
Speaker 7: department that consistently works overtime. You know, with this new

801
00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:36,040
Speaker 7: generation of cops, a lot of them prefer, you know,

802
00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:39,360
Speaker 7: work life balance and they would rather be home instead

803
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:41,600
Speaker 7: of working. And then there's there's some that are like, yeh,

804
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:44,319
Speaker 7: I'll work, I'll work all the time. But you can't

805
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:47,080
Speaker 7: continue to go from that same pool of people. And

806
00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:49,440
Speaker 7: then now you're going to tell them now not only hey,

807
00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:52,040
Speaker 7: thank you for volunteering for all these hours, but now

808
00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:54,360
Speaker 7: we're going to order you to work more, and that

809
00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:56,640
Speaker 7: was something that a lot of officers were upset about.

810
00:37:57,280 --> 00:38:00,319
Speaker 3: The report describes a strong culture of retaliation and side

811
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:02,440
Speaker 3: the force, are your members telling the same thing? And

812
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:03,360
Speaker 3: how long has it been going on?

813
00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:07,160
Speaker 7: Well, listen, I've been here twenty six years. There's been

814
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:10,359
Speaker 7: people that have complained about retaliation for the last twenty

815
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:12,120
Speaker 7: six years. I've been here, and you talked to retire

816
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:15,400
Speaker 7: guys that came before me that have always complained about

817
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:18,920
Speaker 7: the same thing. You know, retaliation is something that certainly

818
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:22,440
Speaker 7: has to be proven, not just you know, suspected of.

819
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:26,719
Speaker 7: But I would say that under her leadership it was

820
00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:28,759
Speaker 7: no different than any other leadership.

821
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:30,160
Speaker 5: Yeah.

822
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:31,759
Speaker 3: And I mean there's cases you go back that are

823
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:33,680
Speaker 3: still being said, the Pettis case and others where it's

824
00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:37,120
Speaker 3: you know, a case of maybe discrimination, but that seems

825
00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:40,799
Speaker 3: to pop up often with labor relations inside police forces

826
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:43,839
Speaker 3: Cincinnati notwithstanding, No.

827
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:44,600
Speaker 5: You're absolutely right.

828
00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:48,440
Speaker 7: I mean, there's there's always been this element of people

829
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:51,080
Speaker 7: being unsatisfied for one reason or another. I mean there's

830
00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:53,920
Speaker 7: people that have that passed up for preferred assignments that

831
00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:56,240
Speaker 7: believe that they were wrong for one reason or another,

832
00:38:57,239 --> 00:38:59,960
Speaker 7: and it's it's something that unfortunately is just part of

833
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:03,040
Speaker 7: police culture. And I think trying to use that as

834
00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:05,560
Speaker 7: an example of why you know she was an an

835
00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:07,840
Speaker 7: effective leader is just very misguided.

836
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:11,040
Speaker 3: Witnesses told investigators who are nervous to be interviewed they

837
00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:15,080
Speaker 3: feared backlash, career consequences, et cetera. Is that a common fear?

838
00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:17,080
Speaker 3: How widespread is that with your membership?

839
00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:20,400
Speaker 7: I think a lot of people just want to come

840
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:23,760
Speaker 7: to work and do their job. And in this particular case,

841
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:26,200
Speaker 7: there were some that just refused to interview and a

842
00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:27,720
Speaker 7: couple of the men I talked to you, so listen,

843
00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:31,080
Speaker 7: I'm just a po I'm here to do a job.

844
00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:34,400
Speaker 7: I don't want to get involved in city hall politics.

845
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:37,440
Speaker 7: I don't. I don't have anything to say. And I

846
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:41,560
Speaker 7: think it was less about necessarily retaliation from the police

847
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:44,360
Speaker 7: department as it was just I don't want to be

848
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:46,320
Speaker 7: involved in this because the reality is, what's going to

849
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:48,600
Speaker 7: happen now. These names are going to be released, and

850
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:52,080
Speaker 7: once they're released, you know there's going to be depositions,

851
00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:55,360
Speaker 7: there's going to be personnel jackets requested, all of these things,

852
00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:57,520
Speaker 7: and it's just something that cops just don't want to

853
00:39:57,520 --> 00:40:00,000
Speaker 7: deal with it, ken.

854
00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:03,040
Speaker 3: Co But the report says morale has improved under interim

855
00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:04,759
Speaker 3: Chief Henny. Is that a fact?

856
00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:09,320
Speaker 7: I think if you ask the cops that we're dealing

857
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:12,520
Speaker 7: with thousands of people in the streets fighting on Thursday,

858
00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:15,000
Speaker 7: they would probably tell you that morale is still a challenge,

859
00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:18,560
Speaker 7: you know. I think there there are certainly things that

860
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:22,399
Speaker 7: Chief Henny has done that has has helped to make

861
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:27,680
Speaker 7: things more positive. But you have to understand that he's

862
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:31,680
Speaker 7: also still under our collective barneting agreement, so there's only

863
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:35,799
Speaker 7: so much that city Hall could do to him if

864
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:38,959
Speaker 7: he does something they don't like, Whereas you know, Chief

865
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:42,759
Speaker 7: Biji and other permanent chiefs before are constantly under the

866
00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:47,319
Speaker 7: thumb of city Hall and you're making those decisions. So

867
00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:50,640
Speaker 7: I mean, I think it's like anything else. If you

868
00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:53,839
Speaker 7: ask after the department if they were satisfied the Chief

869
00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:56,239
Speaker 7: hennies here, I think they're gonna say yeah. I think

870
00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:59,279
Speaker 7: if you ask certain people they would be yeah, maybe

871
00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:02,080
Speaker 7: maybe this isn't the greatest idea, but that's normal. That

872
00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:05,680
Speaker 7: is a completely normal scenario for anybody that's in charge

873
00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:06,400
Speaker 7: of the police department.

874
00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:08,520
Speaker 3: Ken Cober is a president of the FOP Queen City

875
00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:11,360
Speaker 3: Lodge joining the Scottsland Show. Here seven hundred WW on

876
00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:14,680
Speaker 3: the Fiji report coming out the former chief, the chief

877
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:17,960
Speaker 3: in Limbo, if you will. It took almost six months, Kenkober.

878
00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:21,680
Speaker 3: And it was only nine pages. And that strikes me

879
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:23,839
Speaker 3: as I've seen reports like this where it just goes

880
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:25,839
Speaker 3: on and on and on. It it's like a it's

881
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:29,400
Speaker 3: like the Bible, right, this is only nine pages. Did

882
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:32,080
Speaker 3: you see anything in there that was news to you

883
00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:33,560
Speaker 3: that surprised you or shocked you?

884
00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:38,279
Speaker 7: Yeah, there were some things that were in there, and

885
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:40,120
Speaker 7: whether they're true or not, I don't know, because obviously

886
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:43,120
Speaker 7: I wasn't a party to it. But problems with command

887
00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:46,880
Speaker 7: staff officers and the chief, the stuff about the city

888
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:49,200
Speaker 7: manager and the mayor and the assistant city manager, the

889
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:54,799
Speaker 7: chief blocking things, I certainly questioned, if they knew that

890
00:41:55,239 --> 00:41:59,919
Speaker 7: she was purposely obstructing communication, why didn't they do something

891
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:02,719
Speaker 7: about it when it happened. Why are we waiting till

892
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:06,279
Speaker 7: now months later? And the interesting part about this entire

893
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:12,239
Speaker 7: investigation that none of these interviews were recorded. They were

894
00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:15,800
Speaker 7: purposely not recorded. They were told you are not allowed

895
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:18,719
Speaker 7: to record these interviews and we're not going to record them.

896
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:21,960
Speaker 7: We're simply going to take notes that, in my opinion,

897
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:24,319
Speaker 7: lacks a whole lot of transparency. I mean, you look

898
00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:29,080
Speaker 7: at these officers going to Internal Investigation Section. Interviews are recorded,

899
00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:32,120
Speaker 7: they go to the citizen's complain Authority, they're recorded. My god,

900
00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:35,320
Speaker 7: we put body cameras on cops, We have cameras in cars.

901
00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:38,919
Speaker 7: Everything these alcers do are recorded. But now they want

902
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:43,120
Speaker 7: them to participate in this investigation involving city Hall. And

903
00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:44,279
Speaker 7: now all of a sudden, no, no, no, we're not

904
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:48,160
Speaker 7: going to record anything that doesn't pass the smell Testomy.

905
00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:52,680
Speaker 3: Is that more about the retaliation fear that that very

906
00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:55,319
Speaker 3: fewer people I guess would testify if that were the case,

907
00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:56,799
Speaker 3: and said, hey, listen, I'll talk to you, but you

908
00:42:56,800 --> 00:42:59,560
Speaker 3: write it down. I don't want my voice recorded. Then

909
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:02,320
Speaker 3: that can get leaked out. And now we have audio evidence.

910
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:06,200
Speaker 7: No, this was up the request of Frost, Brown and Talk.

911
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:08,000
Speaker 7: Actually it wasn't even a request.

912
00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:08,399
Speaker 5: It was a.

913
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:12,200
Speaker 7: Demand that you not recorded and that they're not going

914
00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:15,200
Speaker 7: to record it. And here's the thing. All of this

915
00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:18,319
Speaker 7: is going to come out eventually anyway, because everybody's going

916
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:21,120
Speaker 7: to be deposed. I mean, assuming that the chief fire

917
00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:23,760
Speaker 7: or yo, she ends up getting fired, she sues the city.

918
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:26,160
Speaker 7: All of these people that interviewed are going to be

919
00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:29,160
Speaker 7: subject to deposition, so it's all going to come out anyway. No,

920
00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:32,920
Speaker 7: everything in this report was witnesses said, Witnesses said, witness

921
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:35,160
Speaker 7: is said, and there's really going to be no proof

922
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:38,120
Speaker 7: of what they said other than notes that someone supposedly took.

923
00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:42,960
Speaker 3: Uh Fiji herself. Obviously it's the thing's a lightning rod

924
00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:45,439
Speaker 3: for her as well, and all the trouble gets thrown

925
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:47,560
Speaker 3: at her feet because it's an easy excuse. You know,

926
00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:50,560
Speaker 3: wind blows off lids off of garbage cans, Well, it's

927
00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:52,399
Speaker 3: her fault. We can blame it. It happened on her watch,

928
00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:54,120
Speaker 3: even though she had no hand in that. That's part

929
00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:56,680
Speaker 3: of this thing. Her attorney, the very capable Stephen m

930
00:43:56,680 --> 00:43:58,719
Speaker 3: called us sing a hatchet job. Do you agree with that?

931
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:01,680
Speaker 7: Knew it was going to be from the beginning. You

932
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:04,320
Speaker 7: put somebody on administrative league two weeks before an election,

933
00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:08,080
Speaker 7: and then it takes you six months to figure out

934
00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:11,120
Speaker 7: whether somebody was effective or not. You know, if somebody

935
00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:13,960
Speaker 7: who is throughout their career, if they if she had

936
00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:16,680
Speaker 7: all these problems with City Hall. Why wasn't anything documented

937
00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:19,840
Speaker 7: before this? It just doesn't make any sense. We we

938
00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:22,839
Speaker 7: all know why this occurred. You know this was this

939
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:28,719
Speaker 7: was a political blunder yet again by the city and

940
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:31,840
Speaker 7: it's well, we'll see how this ends up in court.

941
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:34,719
Speaker 7: But I would suspect that she's probably going to do

942
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:35,720
Speaker 7: pretty well for herself.

943
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:37,640
Speaker 3: I would say, if it's a blunder, it worked out

944
00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:40,200
Speaker 3: pretty well for him because of aftab On down all

945
00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:40,960
Speaker 3: got reelected.

946
00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:44,280
Speaker 7: Well, I think that was that was a foregone conclusion.

947
00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:46,680
Speaker 7: If if they would have kept her, I think the

948
00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:50,719
Speaker 7: election would have been the exact same way. But I

949
00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:53,080
Speaker 7: think that someone over at City Hall got nervous and

950
00:44:53,120 --> 00:44:56,600
Speaker 7: thought that maybe this would help re elections. But the

951
00:44:56,640 --> 00:44:58,880
Speaker 7: reality is, I don't think it had any impact one

952
00:44:58,880 --> 00:44:59,359
Speaker 7: way or another.

953
00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:03,040
Speaker 3: You did our expectations because we were pretty so much

954
00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:06,319
Speaker 3: seed hidehide on most things. Ken cober U President the

955
00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:08,680
Speaker 3: FOP that that we're out of touch with what the

956
00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:11,279
Speaker 3: citizens want. Because if all this is going on and

957
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:14,040
Speaker 3: they just re elect the same people they had before that,

958
00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:17,640
Speaker 3: that and by pretty wide margins too, that tells me

959
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:20,759
Speaker 3: this is what the residents want. Are we are you?

960
00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:21,080
Speaker 5: Are you?

961
00:45:21,160 --> 00:45:22,920
Speaker 3: Fighting. Are you trying to push a boulder uphill?

962
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:25,960
Speaker 7: Well, I mean, it's funny that this is what the

963
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:29,279
Speaker 7: citizens want. Yet when they just did this survey and

964
00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:32,399
Speaker 7: they talk about how safety has to be prioritized, they're

965
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:35,080
Speaker 7: afraid to be in their own neighborhood. But yet they

966
00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:38,560
Speaker 7: they've voted in the exact same people. So clearly this

967
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:41,560
Speaker 7: is what they want. And at this point, I think

968
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:43,520
Speaker 7: we need to just sit back and go this is

969
00:45:43,560 --> 00:45:45,600
Speaker 7: what they want, this is what they get. You know,

970
00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:49,040
Speaker 7: the old adage of you get, you get the government

971
00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:52,160
Speaker 7: that you deserve and that you elect is absolutely true.

972
00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:54,600
Speaker 7: And clearly they're okay with the things are going on

973
00:45:54,680 --> 00:45:57,680
Speaker 7: in this city. So you know, at this point, you

974
00:45:57,800 --> 00:45:58,919
Speaker 7: give the voters what they want.

975
00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:01,600
Speaker 3: Ken Kober, you're rank and file. They get scrutinized all

976
00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:04,680
Speaker 3: the time, your pos and opt the food chain. Did

977
00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:07,799
Speaker 3: it surprise you or is it pretty commonplace that all

978
00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:10,200
Speaker 3: of these bad things came about Fiji is the reason

979
00:46:10,239 --> 00:46:12,400
Speaker 3: why they suspended her and ultimate problem of fire and

980
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:15,279
Speaker 3: cut her a big check. It's performance based. She had

981
00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:18,000
Speaker 3: had a review a performance review in seven years, and

982
00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:19,880
Speaker 3: yet they threw this out there like she's supposed to

983
00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:21,759
Speaker 3: know she'd never been corrected on any of this. Is

984
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:22,280
Speaker 3: that common?

985
00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:27,200
Speaker 7: Well, listen, here's the always been the problem with the city,

986
00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:31,440
Speaker 7: and everybody wants to blame the FOP for defending its members.

987
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:34,239
Speaker 7: You know, when they get suspended, when they get terminated,

988
00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:36,920
Speaker 7: and all of a sudden, these suspensions go away. People

989
00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:39,799
Speaker 7: get reinstated for their jobs and they're terminated. And it's

990
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:44,320
Speaker 7: all because the city historically has done a terrible job

991
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:48,759
Speaker 7: documenting things with people that they say are problems. And

992
00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:52,080
Speaker 7: this is no different. You have somebody that has spent

993
00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:55,479
Speaker 7: thirty five years here, Absolutely nothing has been documented. There's

994
00:46:55,520 --> 00:46:58,000
Speaker 7: never been anything saying, hey, you need to do a

995
00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:01,160
Speaker 7: better job. Not a performance of value. How can you

996
00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:05,040
Speaker 7: improve on your performance if you're not told the things

997
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:06,439
Speaker 7: that you need to improve upon.

998
00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:10,160
Speaker 3: And I think that also gets back to the witness.

999
00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:12,320
Speaker 3: They don't want a paper trail, they don't want evidence

1000
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:18,280
Speaker 3: people testifying. It's you know, if if there's no permanent

1001
00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:21,400
Speaker 3: record of this, whether it's a performance evaluation or you

1002
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:23,600
Speaker 3: can always move the line right, you can you can

1003
00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:26,880
Speaker 3: take that information and tweak it and use it to

1004
00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:28,960
Speaker 3: see how you fit. It's manipulative, is what it is.

1005
00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:32,359
Speaker 7: Absolutely and That's where I said, the lack of transparency

1006
00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:37,239
Speaker 7: this investigation, it's just it's it's staggering. Now, whether those

1007
00:47:37,239 --> 00:47:40,719
Speaker 7: were the rules of engagement for Frost Brown Todd, which

1008
00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:43,600
Speaker 7: very well I would suspect would be the case, because

1009
00:47:43,640 --> 00:47:46,440
Speaker 7: as far as I know, they're a very very reputable

1010
00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:49,359
Speaker 7: law firm. But then again, I also understand that you know,

1011
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:51,200
Speaker 7: you're hired by a client and they say, hey, this

1012
00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:52,919
Speaker 7: is how you want they this is how we want

1013
00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:55,560
Speaker 7: you to do this, these your marching orders, this is

1014
00:47:55,560 --> 00:47:58,360
Speaker 7: what you do. Completely understand that it's just the the

1015
00:47:58,560 --> 00:48:02,360
Speaker 7: entire thing, just transparency, and that that I think is

1016
00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:04,680
Speaker 7: ultimately where I think the city is going to be

1017
00:48:04,719 --> 00:48:08,240
Speaker 7: most vulnerable when you get into any kind of litigation.

1018
00:48:08,440 --> 00:48:11,360
Speaker 3: The reason why lawyers are called counselors is they counsel

1019
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:15,359
Speaker 3: they can't actually force you to do something hit their

1020
00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:18,440
Speaker 3: consultants basically, so if the marching orders are, hey, we

1021
00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:21,480
Speaker 3: don't want any recordings of witnesses, and this is why

1022
00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:24,360
Speaker 3: we want the investigation to go, that's the context in

1023
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:26,480
Speaker 3: which your employer, in this case, the City of Cincinnati,

1024
00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:29,280
Speaker 3: sets forth to the law firm. The report also says

1025
00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:32,560
Speaker 3: that Terry Thiji Block City Hall from communicating directly with

1026
00:48:32,560 --> 00:48:34,880
Speaker 3: the assistant chiefs and the command staff. Did you at

1027
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:37,560
Speaker 3: the FOP Ken Cobra ever raised concerns over that chain

1028
00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:38,520
Speaker 3: of command break down.

1029
00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:42,879
Speaker 7: I'd never heard that, you know, Like I said, I'm

1030
00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:45,719
Speaker 7: in a little bit different position just because yeah, I'm

1031
00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:48,400
Speaker 7: an FOP leader, but I'm not in the command staff.

1032
00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:50,960
Speaker 7: I mean, I'm sure there's certain things that had been

1033
00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:53,160
Speaker 7: kept for me on purpose, and I get it that's

1034
00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:57,800
Speaker 7: kind of the relationship between union leaders and you know,

1035
00:48:57,880 --> 00:49:01,640
Speaker 7: leaders from the police departments of that that wouldn't I mean,

1036
00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:03,800
Speaker 7: as far as me being left out, it doesn't surprise

1037
00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:06,719
Speaker 7: me a bit. I mean I fully expected. But if

1038
00:49:06,719 --> 00:49:09,719
Speaker 7: that's something that city Hall knew was going on, then

1039
00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:11,520
Speaker 7: they never addressed it. That's on there.

1040
00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:16,680
Speaker 3: Multiple witnesses described the nepotism favoritism in that as a

1041
00:49:16,719 --> 00:49:20,240
Speaker 3: huge problem inside CPD. Then even pre Day's Terry Fija,

1042
00:49:20,239 --> 00:49:22,520
Speaker 3: I think that said that report. Is that a fair characterization.

1043
00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:26,400
Speaker 7: I think it's gone on forever. I know the example

1044
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:28,960
Speaker 7: that was used with her nephew, who's the lieutenant our department.

1045
00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:32,440
Speaker 7: He was the only one. They made him the legal

1046
00:49:32,440 --> 00:49:35,040
Speaker 7: liaison after he went to law school. Passed the bar.

1047
00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:38,000
Speaker 7: He was the only one at the time that I'm

1048
00:49:38,040 --> 00:49:41,080
Speaker 7: aware of that had a law degree. It made complete

1049
00:49:41,120 --> 00:49:45,520
Speaker 7: sense to put him in that position. So I guess

1050
00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:47,040
Speaker 7: that's what they're going to try to use and say

1051
00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:49,919
Speaker 7: that this was favoritism and nepotism. But you know, there's

1052
00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:52,719
Speaker 7: been accusations of that for as long as I've been there,

1053
00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:56,000
Speaker 7: certainly long before I was there, and I'm sure it's

1054
00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:59,320
Speaker 7: going to be at least accused of long after I'm gone.

1055
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:00,279
Speaker 5: Time.

1056
00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:03,160
Speaker 3: We have a community activist in Iris Rawley who is

1057
00:50:03,160 --> 00:50:04,840
Speaker 3: not a big fan of what you guys do for

1058
00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:09,160
Speaker 3: a living, and the opposite is true whose son works

1059
00:50:09,160 --> 00:50:11,520
Speaker 3: for her, and yet there's no cris of nepotism there.

1060
00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:13,000
Speaker 5: Hmmm.

1061
00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:14,440
Speaker 7: Kind of interesting, isn't it?

1062
00:50:16,040 --> 00:50:18,120
Speaker 3: Ken Kober, What do you see? What do you see

1063
00:50:18,120 --> 00:50:18,880
Speaker 3: shaking out from this?

1064
00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:19,239
Speaker 5: All? Right?

1065
00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:21,600
Speaker 3: So they got you can find anything on anybody, right,

1066
00:50:21,600 --> 00:50:23,560
Speaker 3: I mean, if you if Frost they hired Fraud, if

1067
00:50:23,560 --> 00:50:26,720
Speaker 3: the Vatican hired Frost Brown Todd Gibbons to investigate the Pope,

1068
00:50:27,040 --> 00:50:28,960
Speaker 3: you think he was dirty as hell, because you're there

1069
00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:30,800
Speaker 3: going to find dirt on you. I mentioned the pretext

1070
00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:32,600
Speaker 3: of a stop for example, you want to pull a

1071
00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:35,239
Speaker 3: subject over. You know, you can find something that they're

1072
00:50:35,239 --> 00:50:38,560
Speaker 3: doing driving in a car in order to initiate that stop.

1073
00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:41,120
Speaker 3: That the same is true here. What do you think

1074
00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:43,160
Speaker 3: comes of all this? They just wind up settling and

1075
00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:46,080
Speaker 3: we're talking millions and millions of dollars here for Chief Thiji.

1076
00:50:47,520 --> 00:50:49,120
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean it's hard to say. I mean, I

1077
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Speaker 7: don't think there's a scenario where she comes back, and

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Speaker 7: I certainly I don't blame her. I don't know how

1079
00:50:55,320 --> 00:50:57,839
Speaker 7: you would be able to come back and work in

1080
00:50:57,880 --> 00:51:01,600
Speaker 7: this kind of environment, knowing that the things that have

1081
00:51:01,719 --> 00:51:04,719
Speaker 7: been done to you over the last six months. I

1082
00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:06,480
Speaker 7: think it's likely the city is going to end up

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00:51:06,520 --> 00:51:10,160
Speaker 7: terminating or be followed by a lawsuit in three years

1084
00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:12,480
Speaker 7: from now, you know, we'll be sitting here talking about

1085
00:51:12,520 --> 00:51:13,879
Speaker 7: what the results of this lawsuit are.

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00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:15,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then the people who cut the check or

1087
00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:17,680
Speaker 3: council people go, well, I wasn't here, you know. The

1088
00:51:17,719 --> 00:51:19,840
Speaker 3: favorite thing is, well, I was elected, then, I was

1089
00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:22,319
Speaker 3: on council, then I wasn't mayor then and you know,

1090
00:51:22,360 --> 00:51:25,960
Speaker 3: you have got cover and so it goes. But overall, though,

1091
00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:28,320
Speaker 3: what effect does this have on the rank and file officers?

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00:51:28,360 --> 00:51:32,000
Speaker 3: You represent the FOP Kencobra And what about Chief Henny.

1093
00:51:32,040 --> 00:51:33,600
Speaker 3: I mean, he's got to be looking over his shoulder too.

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00:51:33,600 --> 00:51:37,280
Speaker 7: I would think, well, yeah, I think that whatever decision

1095
00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:39,080
Speaker 7: they make, right, wrong or indifferent, it needs to be

1096
00:51:39,120 --> 00:51:42,200
Speaker 7: made the men and women of this police department. They

1097
00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:44,640
Speaker 7: deserve to know who's going to be in charge of

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00:51:44,640 --> 00:51:47,080
Speaker 7: this police department going into the summer. We know it's

1099
00:51:47,080 --> 00:51:49,560
Speaker 7: going to be a long, hot summer. We know that,

1100
00:51:49,640 --> 00:51:52,080
Speaker 7: you know, things like Opening Day are likely going to

1101
00:51:52,080 --> 00:51:55,359
Speaker 7: occur again, We're going to be seeing protests almost every

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00:51:55,360 --> 00:51:58,080
Speaker 7: weekend as the weather warms up. They have a right

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00:51:58,160 --> 00:52:01,400
Speaker 7: to know who's going to be in charge. Like Chief Henny,

1104
00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:03,920
Speaker 7: he should be knowing whether or not he's going to

1105
00:52:03,960 --> 00:52:06,040
Speaker 7: be here, he's not going to be here. Those are

1106
00:52:06,040 --> 00:52:08,200
Speaker 7: decisions that need to be made immediate. Like I said,

1107
00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:11,799
Speaker 7: what regardless of what those decisions are, it's owed to

1108
00:52:11,840 --> 00:52:13,680
Speaker 7: these men and women of who's going to be in

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00:52:13,800 --> 00:52:14,439
Speaker 7: charge of this place.

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00:52:14,680 --> 00:52:17,080
Speaker 3: I will say in final, final point here, they're throwing

1111
00:52:17,160 --> 00:52:20,239
Speaker 3: the crime problem with Terry Thigi. She mishandled everything and

1112
00:52:20,280 --> 00:52:23,480
Speaker 3: we had the violence, the brawl downtown, we had Fountain

1113
00:52:23,520 --> 00:52:26,439
Speaker 3: Square and others. But ever since she has been quote

1114
00:52:26,480 --> 00:52:29,120
Speaker 3: unquote terminated for the last six months. It's not like

1115
00:52:29,160 --> 00:52:31,720
Speaker 3: we've not had We've seen crime go down and violent

1116
00:52:31,760 --> 00:52:35,640
Speaker 3: crime as a result, whether it's three takeovers, mass shootings

1117
00:52:35,640 --> 00:52:38,120
Speaker 3: and the like. Pretty much this is what we wind

1118
00:52:38,239 --> 00:52:40,880
Speaker 3: up get the opening Day Stampede, if you'll call it that.

1119
00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:44,680
Speaker 3: And this shows me it's not a problem with the chief.

1120
00:52:44,719 --> 00:52:47,480
Speaker 3: It's the culture and the climate. I know for a

1121
00:52:47,520 --> 00:52:51,920
Speaker 3: fact that you know, the city didn't want to like

1122
00:52:51,960 --> 00:52:54,440
Speaker 3: the idea that Fiji was attacking judges and saying they

1123
00:52:54,440 --> 00:52:55,839
Speaker 3: got to do a better job, or when she's out

1124
00:52:55,840 --> 00:52:59,840
Speaker 3: there being Chief mema talking about how kids need to

1125
00:52:59,840 --> 00:53:02,359
Speaker 3: be held responsible by their parents. City didn't want any

1126
00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:05,160
Speaker 3: part of that, which is shocking because that's where it starts.

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00:53:06,080 --> 00:53:08,440
Speaker 7: Without a doubt, and as long as we have this

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00:53:08,560 --> 00:53:10,800
Speaker 7: lack of accountability, this is going to continue. It doesn't

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00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:15,080
Speaker 7: matter who you make the chief, it doesn't matter any

1130
00:53:15,120 --> 00:53:17,960
Speaker 7: of this, it doesn't matter who's in leadership. Until the

1131
00:53:18,040 --> 00:53:21,759
Speaker 7: court system decides to hold people accountable for their actions,

1132
00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:24,080
Speaker 7: we're going to see this and it's likely going to

1133
00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:25,560
Speaker 7: get worse before it gets better.

1134
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Speaker 3: He's Ken Cober, president of the Queen City Lodge of

1135
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Speaker 3: the FOP. Ken, thanks for jumping in this morning. I

1136
00:53:31,480 --> 00:53:33,400
Speaker 3: appreciate you. I know you're busy as hell and probably

1137
00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:36,360
Speaker 3: extremely tired about talking about this topic. This won't be

1138
00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:38,240
Speaker 3: the last time, brother, appreciate.

1139
00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:39,840
Speaker 7: It all good thanks, thanks for there to go.

1140
00:53:39,960 --> 00:53:41,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, let me get an update and we're running late,

1141
00:53:41,600 --> 00:53:44,400
Speaker 3: but good stuff there with Ken. Well pivot. Julie Bouk

1142
00:53:44,600 --> 00:53:46,160
Speaker 3: is here a career sure if it's Julie on the

1143
00:53:46,239 --> 00:53:50,480
Speaker 3: job from an HR and workplace type of environment, and

1144
00:53:50,520 --> 00:53:53,320
Speaker 3: she's an expert in that. What lessons you learn from

1145
00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:55,160
Speaker 3: what happened to Terry Thiji that you can apply in

1146
00:53:55,200 --> 00:53:58,200
Speaker 3: your workplace, whether it comes down to performance reviews for example.

1147
00:53:58,280 --> 00:54:00,480
Speaker 3: Chat with her next about it right after news on

1148
00:54:00,520 --> 00:54:07,640
Speaker 3: seven hundred WW helping you put the big P in profession.

1149
00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:13,120
Speaker 3: Here's our career, Sir Julie Balk. Yeah, very relevant discussion

1150
00:54:13,160 --> 00:54:16,360
Speaker 3: I just had on Ken Kober, President of the FOP.

1151
00:54:16,600 --> 00:54:21,000
Speaker 3: Some interesting insights into this nine page report issued by

1152
00:54:21,040 --> 00:54:25,239
Speaker 3: the city via Frost Brown Todd Gibbons relative to the

1153
00:54:25,360 --> 00:54:28,799
Speaker 3: conduct of Terry Thiji, the former police chief. I think

1154
00:54:28,840 --> 00:54:31,440
Speaker 3: it's safe to say former. Although they said, well she

1155
00:54:31,440 --> 00:54:33,920
Speaker 3: had been fired yet it hasn't been fired. It's an

1156
00:54:33,920 --> 00:54:36,759
Speaker 3: ongoing person on matter. We haven't fired her. We're still

1157
00:54:36,760 --> 00:54:39,240
Speaker 3: paying her a two hundred and three thousand dollars salary.

1158
00:54:39,960 --> 00:54:42,799
Speaker 3: Presumably though these are grounds for dismissal. He broke it

1159
00:54:42,840 --> 00:54:45,879
Speaker 3: down from police terms. But what can me and you

1160
00:54:46,120 --> 00:54:50,759
Speaker 3: in the regular workplace in the not public sphere? Oh

1161
00:54:50,840 --> 00:54:52,839
Speaker 3: maybe you have a public job. I don't know, but yeah,

1162
00:54:52,840 --> 00:54:55,239
Speaker 3: we all have someone to answer to. Presumably unless you

1163
00:54:55,239 --> 00:54:58,120
Speaker 3: own the company, that doesn't apply to you. But maybe

1164
00:54:58,160 --> 00:54:59,680
Speaker 3: you can learn something here for all of us. It

1165
00:54:59,719 --> 00:55:03,239
Speaker 3: has to do with performance reviews and how you know

1166
00:55:03,280 --> 00:55:05,560
Speaker 3: when you were on the radar before you're actually on

1167
00:55:05,600 --> 00:55:07,799
Speaker 3: the radar. On that is Julie Balki our career shure.

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Speaker 3: But welcome, good morning, How are you?

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Speaker 6: Good morning?

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Speaker 8: Yes, as you might imagine, I have thoughts and opinions

1171
00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:14,279
Speaker 8: on this.

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Speaker 3: I would hope you would. The city went seven years

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00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:23,120
Speaker 3: without giving Terry thg the police chief, a formal performance

1174
00:55:23,160 --> 00:55:26,400
Speaker 3: appraisal or review. From an HR standpoint, how does that

1175
00:55:26,600 --> 00:55:28,840
Speaker 3: failure complicate any attempt to terminator?

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Speaker 5: Now?

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Speaker 8: Absolutely, this is you know. I read the whole thing

1178
00:55:33,160 --> 00:55:36,880
Speaker 8: and really pulled out some of the key points, which

1179
00:55:37,120 --> 00:55:40,239
Speaker 8: frankly are not any different if you take it out

1180
00:55:40,239 --> 00:55:42,600
Speaker 8: of the police department and put it in any corporation

1181
00:55:42,800 --> 00:55:48,399
Speaker 8: or university. The things that they found were signs of

1182
00:55:48,440 --> 00:55:51,879
Speaker 8: poor leadership no matter where the leader works. And so

1183
00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:54,840
Speaker 8: there's a lot of commonality between what this study found

1184
00:55:55,440 --> 00:55:58,880
Speaker 8: and what and what is commonly known as poor leadership.

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Speaker 4: I think the biggest mistake they.

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00:56:00,200 --> 00:56:04,080
Speaker 8: Made is you don't let you don't let seven years

1187
00:56:04,120 --> 00:56:09,839
Speaker 8: go by and have someone out there thinking they're the

1188
00:56:09,840 --> 00:56:12,880
Speaker 8: best leader their department has ever had, whether it's a corporation,

1189
00:56:12,960 --> 00:56:18,200
Speaker 8: a university, or a police department, and then blindside them

1190
00:56:18,280 --> 00:56:23,000
Speaker 8: with data that says or information that says quite the opposite.

1191
00:56:23,360 --> 00:56:28,040
Speaker 8: That is unfair to her. And it's that's one thing

1192
00:56:28,080 --> 00:56:30,759
Speaker 8: that has to be changed because now we're in a

1193
00:56:30,800 --> 00:56:34,799
Speaker 8: situation where it's costing a city so much money to

1194
00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:37,279
Speaker 8: go back. I mean they paid, I'm sure Frost, Brown,

1195
00:56:37,360 --> 00:56:40,920
Speaker 8: Tod Gibbons, you know, a party. Penny just put this

1196
00:56:41,239 --> 00:56:44,799
Speaker 8: to the study and it didn't have to be that way.

1197
00:56:45,520 --> 00:56:48,279
Speaker 8: You know, there was a culture survey that was done.

1198
00:56:48,400 --> 00:56:51,520
Speaker 8: It's noted in the report where there was a lot

1199
00:56:51,600 --> 00:56:56,239
Speaker 8: of this similar feedback that that she got was in

1200
00:56:56,280 --> 00:56:59,040
Speaker 8: the culture report of a few years ago and so,

1201
00:57:00,040 --> 00:57:02,600
Speaker 8: but then nothing was really done with it, and so

1202
00:57:03,040 --> 00:57:05,080
Speaker 8: it sounds like it's a little bit of a who's

1203
00:57:05,120 --> 00:57:08,480
Speaker 8: on first here. I'm not sure who was responding.

1204
00:57:09,719 --> 00:57:11,640
Speaker 3: They're making it up as they go along. I don't

1205
00:57:11,640 --> 00:57:15,120
Speaker 3: get that. I don't get that suspicion. I know if

1206
00:57:15,160 --> 00:57:17,320
Speaker 3: you had okay, there's a cultural problem. But again, if

1207
00:57:17,320 --> 00:57:19,440
Speaker 3: you look back at the history of chiefs in recent

1208
00:57:19,440 --> 00:57:22,600
Speaker 3: times in Cincinnati and Ken Cobra, the FLP said this, Look,

1209
00:57:23,680 --> 00:57:25,440
Speaker 3: it's your job, if you're a worker, not to like

1210
00:57:25,440 --> 00:57:27,959
Speaker 3: your boss. I mean, how many people more people hate

1211
00:57:27,960 --> 00:57:30,240
Speaker 3: their boss and love their boss in America even tolerate

1212
00:57:30,280 --> 00:57:33,560
Speaker 3: their boss. That's probably true, more so when it comes

1213
00:57:33,600 --> 00:57:36,080
Speaker 3: to union representation with the rank and file what they

1214
00:57:36,080 --> 00:57:38,760
Speaker 3: want versus what the administration of the chief want. And

1215
00:57:38,800 --> 00:57:41,200
Speaker 3: so I'm sure that if you look back historically, whether

1216
00:57:41,240 --> 00:57:43,920
Speaker 3: it's Ken Blackwell, whether it's Elliott Isaac, and I can

1217
00:57:43,960 --> 00:57:46,520
Speaker 3: go on and on, that there are people who are

1218
00:57:46,560 --> 00:57:48,960
Speaker 3: discontent with leadership. That just kind of goes hand in

1219
00:57:49,000 --> 00:57:50,760
Speaker 3: hand and the culture. It's a cultural or got a

1220
00:57:50,760 --> 00:57:53,600
Speaker 3: cultural problem. But if you don't act on that report

1221
00:57:54,040 --> 00:57:57,960
Speaker 3: in that timeframe, what winds up happening then is you

1222
00:57:58,240 --> 00:58:00,280
Speaker 3: would assume, if you're the leader, it's like, okay, well

1223
00:58:00,280 --> 00:58:02,840
Speaker 3: they's some bad things, but clearly my boss, and this

1224
00:58:02,880 --> 00:58:05,120
Speaker 3: would be the mayor and the city manager, they're okay

1225
00:58:05,160 --> 00:58:06,840
Speaker 3: with that. Then all of a sudden of the blue,

1226
00:58:07,400 --> 00:58:09,840
Speaker 3: you get called back from a conference in Denver and go, hey,

1227
00:58:09,840 --> 00:58:12,680
Speaker 3: we got to talk. We loved you yesterday. You know,

1228
00:58:12,840 --> 00:58:15,040
Speaker 3: yesterday we couldn't live without you. Starting today, we're going

1229
00:58:15,120 --> 00:58:16,880
Speaker 3: to try. That's what I get out of this. And

1230
00:58:16,920 --> 00:58:19,360
Speaker 3: that's just going to cost b Expires more money because

1231
00:58:19,360 --> 00:58:20,160
Speaker 3: they're going to settle this.

1232
00:58:21,760 --> 00:58:28,200
Speaker 8: Absolutely. So you should never not know how you're doing.

1233
00:58:28,920 --> 00:58:33,600
Speaker 8: You should never not know how you're perceived. And she

1234
00:58:33,960 --> 00:58:35,560
Speaker 8: is in and any police.

1235
00:58:35,240 --> 00:58:36,720
Speaker 4: Chief, buyer chief, you name it.

1236
00:58:37,200 --> 00:58:41,200
Speaker 8: They have so many different so many different contingency or

1237
00:58:41,400 --> 00:58:44,320
Speaker 8: so many different contingents too, that are that are. You've

1238
00:58:44,360 --> 00:58:49,200
Speaker 8: got the union, you've got the officers themselves.

1239
00:58:48,640 --> 00:58:50,600
Speaker 1: You've got the city, you've got the.

1240
00:58:50,640 --> 00:58:54,840
Speaker 8: Leadership of your organization, you've got the public, you've got

1241
00:58:54,840 --> 00:58:57,520
Speaker 8: the media, and so those.

1242
00:58:57,320 --> 00:58:58,200
Speaker 1: Types of jobs.

1243
00:58:58,280 --> 00:59:02,240
Speaker 8: You have to accept that you're never going to be

1244
00:59:02,240 --> 00:59:06,320
Speaker 8: beloved or just not. It's it's a if they yeah,

1245
00:59:06,320 --> 00:59:09,480
Speaker 8: it's you're never going to get there. But if you

1246
00:59:09,600 --> 00:59:13,080
Speaker 8: if people see that you've taken feedback, that you've asked

1247
00:59:13,120 --> 00:59:18,040
Speaker 8: for and taken feedback, and you are searching for ways

1248
00:59:18,160 --> 00:59:22,400
Speaker 8: to address that feedback openly and not in a I'm

1249
00:59:22,400 --> 00:59:26,280
Speaker 8: going to get you sort of retaliatory way, then people

1250
00:59:26,360 --> 00:59:28,560
Speaker 8: are so forgiving because they.

1251
00:59:28,520 --> 00:59:30,680
Speaker 1: Get that you're not perfect, you know.

1252
00:59:30,920 --> 00:59:33,479
Speaker 8: And so it's it's in a lot of ways, it's

1253
00:59:33,520 --> 00:59:37,360
Speaker 8: it's a very tough job. And I think there's when

1254
00:59:37,360 --> 00:59:39,200
Speaker 8: I read this and I'm reading, like what the key

1255
00:59:39,240 --> 00:59:43,040
Speaker 8: points were? You take those and you say, all right,

1256
00:59:43,480 --> 00:59:46,480
Speaker 8: what what's the definition of someone who's not who's not.

1257
00:59:46,600 --> 00:59:47,320
Speaker 5: A good leader?

1258
00:59:47,800 --> 00:59:51,000
Speaker 8: It's all there, All those points are there. But it

1259
00:59:51,080 --> 00:59:53,240
Speaker 8: should she have known that, well, you know, it was

1260
00:59:53,320 --> 00:59:56,240
Speaker 8: in the culture survey. But if you try to give

1261
00:59:56,280 --> 00:59:59,600
Speaker 8: someone feedback and they just put their you know, put

1262
00:59:59,600 --> 01:00:03,480
Speaker 8: their hands up like no, literally or figuratively, I'm not

1263
01:00:03,520 --> 01:00:06,440
Speaker 8: gonna I'm not gonna take this, I'm not gonna then

1264
01:00:06,720 --> 01:00:09,600
Speaker 8: you give up. And so you can see why she

1265
01:00:09,920 --> 01:00:13,560
Speaker 8: thought she was doing a great jobs. Lack of feedback

1266
01:00:13,880 --> 01:00:15,800
Speaker 8: does not mean you're doing a great job.

1267
01:00:15,920 --> 01:00:17,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, and she had no idea that her job was

1268
01:00:18,000 --> 01:00:20,600
Speaker 3: in jeopardy until the thirteenth of October, and that tells

1269
01:00:20,600 --> 01:00:22,560
Speaker 3: you everything you need to know about of the city

1270
01:00:22,600 --> 01:00:25,680
Speaker 3: manage this employer relationship, which means it's going to cost you,

1271
01:00:25,760 --> 01:00:27,760
Speaker 3: mister and missus taxpayer, a hell of a lot of

1272
01:00:27,760 --> 01:00:30,080
Speaker 3: money to make this thing go away. But we've seen

1273
01:00:30,120 --> 01:00:33,720
Speaker 3: this act before time and time again. The transparency is

1274
01:00:33,840 --> 01:00:38,120
Speaker 3: lip service down there at city Hall. The report documents

1275
01:00:38,160 --> 01:00:42,640
Speaker 3: a culture retaliation and the witnesses are thirty something witnesses said,

1276
01:00:43,000 --> 01:00:46,360
Speaker 3: I fear consequences for cooperating with you the investigators at

1277
01:00:46,360 --> 01:00:49,040
Speaker 3: a law firm, as an HR professional. How serious a

1278
01:00:49,080 --> 01:00:51,920
Speaker 3: liability you think that is, Julie, regardless of what happens

1279
01:00:51,920 --> 01:00:54,760
Speaker 3: to Terry Thiji, that seems to be a liability issue

1280
01:00:54,760 --> 01:00:55,400
Speaker 3: on the city's part.

1281
01:00:55,400 --> 01:00:57,840
Speaker 7: To me, absolutely yes.

1282
01:00:58,520 --> 01:01:02,240
Speaker 8: Anytime you've got a situation and where people are afraid

1283
01:01:02,240 --> 01:01:04,439
Speaker 8: of speaking up and it comes from it can come

1284
01:01:04,480 --> 01:01:08,800
Speaker 8: from a lot of different places. Either I'm afraid of

1285
01:01:08,800 --> 01:01:12,120
Speaker 8: retaliation and it could be a combination. The second is,

1286
01:01:12,320 --> 01:01:14,440
Speaker 8: why would I speak up. It's not going to change anyway.

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Speaker 8: I spoke up once and everybody ignored me. And so

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Speaker 8: when you think about it, you and I've had this

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Speaker 8: conversation multiple times about top down leadership. I know, I'm

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Speaker 8: I said, so, this is what this is what I

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Speaker 8: do it because I said so is maybe it worked before.

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Speaker 8: Maybe it did, but we are in a new generation

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Speaker 8: and so they do not They do not deal well

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Speaker 8: with because I said so. They want an explanation, they

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Speaker 8: want to understand, they want to feel like they're on

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Speaker 8: a team.

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Speaker 1: And that is not unreasonable.

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Speaker 8: And that's that's what I think a lot of times

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Speaker 8: with these structures where it's very much a ladder, where

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Speaker 8: it's very top down, you maybe you've gotten away with

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Speaker 8: leading that way and being really buttoned up and quiet

1302
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Speaker 8: and do what I say, But that's not going to

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Speaker 8: work moving forward in any work situation, regardless of whether you're

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Speaker 8: a police department or a university.

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Speaker 3: Julie balcare career suirpon this morning on seven hundred W

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01:02:18,040 --> 01:02:20,960
Speaker 3: talking about the dynamics of the Terry Fiji investigation by

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Speaker 3: a law firm here locally nine pages of stuff that

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Speaker 3: basically says she's not been an effective leader. And that's

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Speaker 3: a pretty i think definitive legal distinction that term will

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Speaker 3: not been an effective leader. That's costs or dismissal. But

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Speaker 3: I contend you can find dirt on your best employee

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Speaker 3: and give them cause and come up with reasons why.

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Speaker 3: That's not the issue here. The question is the context

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Speaker 3: of how this whole thing went down regards with the

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Speaker 3: rank and file feel. If you don't have a performance

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Speaker 3: review in seven years, you assume you're doing a great job,

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Speaker 3: which she did, and then October thirteenth, well you're not

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Speaker 3: doing a great job, and all of a sudden she's fired.

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Speaker 3: And I think that is poor planning on the city's part. Furthermore,

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Speaker 3: Julie Balk seven years. I think that's a big hang

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Speaker 3: up for most of us listening. Go, well, I have

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Speaker 3: a performance review. There's something called a PIP, a performance

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Speaker 3: improvement program. Your company may call something different, organization might

1324
01:03:10,360 --> 01:03:12,440
Speaker 3: but once they write you a PIP, that means you're

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Speaker 3: going to get fired. Basically, it's a performance improvement plan.

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Speaker 3: You need to do this, this, this, this, and you

1327
01:03:16,640 --> 01:03:18,840
Speaker 3: can think you do all those things, but that doesn't matter.

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Speaker 3: It's just a legal cya. What's going on. She didn't

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Speaker 3: even have a performance improvement plan? If what usually leads

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Speaker 3: up to that in a normal workplace, Julie Well.

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Speaker 8: It's depending on what your job is. Maybe you're not

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01:03:32,280 --> 01:03:36,919
Speaker 8: meeting deadlines, maybe you have complaints from customers, maybe you're

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Speaker 8: difficult and obstructive and the way you work, maybe you

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Speaker 8: haven't kept your skills up. So there's a lot of

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Speaker 8: things that lead you to that discussion. But I feel like,

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Speaker 8: you know, the first time you're hearing that your job

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Speaker 8: is that your your performance is less than what the

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Speaker 8: organization wants it to be. If the first time you

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Speaker 8: have any hint is a formal you've got ninety days

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Speaker 8: to shave up or about sort of reports, than your

1341
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Speaker 8: organization's not doing their job. And the city could have

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Speaker 8: so easily avoided this. As I read this report, there

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Speaker 8: were multiple points when they could have easily resolved this

1344
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Speaker 8: and had what is of course a tough conversation. It says,

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Speaker 8: you know, here's how your people feel about you, and

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Speaker 8: maybe it's that culture survey. Maybe it goes to the

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Speaker 8: city manager who then says, Okay, we're going to put

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Speaker 8: together some teams help address this, and Chief, we expect

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Speaker 8: you to be a part of the solution. And if

1350
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Speaker 8: all you're going to do is throw off walls and

1351
01:04:38,160 --> 01:04:41,000
Speaker 8: say they're the problem, it's not me, You're the problem.

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Speaker 3: She's Julie Bowki. Our cur surpis so be advised you

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Speaker 3: get a performance improvement plan and you better find a

1354
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Speaker 3: new job because that's a foregone crew. You don't really

1355
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Speaker 3: should come back from those. But if you're in business

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Speaker 3: and you need to communicate and set expectations for your employees,

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01:04:54,120 --> 01:04:56,440
Speaker 3: to do employment reviews and let them know what's going on,

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01:04:56,520 --> 01:04:59,920
Speaker 3: certainly verbally is good, but also written is probably more important.

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01:05:00,040 --> 01:05:02,320
Speaker 3: Otherwise it's gonna cost you what's gonna cost the city.

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01:05:02,360 --> 01:05:04,440
Speaker 3: But it ain't there money. It's your money, which is

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Speaker 3: also part of the problem. Julie Balki at the Balkigroup

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Speaker 3: dot Com da UK e Balkigroup dot Com career coach,

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01:05:10,440 --> 01:05:13,720
Speaker 3: consultant and all around lovely person to hang out with

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Speaker 3: my friend Julie Baki. We'll talk next Wednesday. Thanks again,

1365
01:05:17,280 --> 01:05:20,120
Speaker 3: Take care, take care. We have Reds baseball today, so

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Speaker 3: we'll get the Reds good stuff in here in the

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Speaker 3: second well, we'll start the outside pitch here on seven

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Speaker 3: hundred WLW because we've got Reds roundup. We have Sarah

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Speaker 3: Least come up eleven oh seven, setting up the inside

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Speaker 3: pitch at eleven thirty six, setting up the ballgame at

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Speaker 3: twelve forty Reds. Can they make it two series wins

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Speaker 3: to start the twenty twenty six campaign. We'll find out.

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01:05:40,240 --> 01:05:43,160
Speaker 3: Andrew Rabbit Paul Sken's go at it from gabp here

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Speaker 3: on the Home of the Red seven hundred WLW, Cincinnati.

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Speaker 3: All right, we're working on borrow time here. It is

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Speaker 3: a snort report on seven hundred w Alwit Sarah LEAs

1377
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Speaker 3: from The Kid Christ Show one O two seven EBN.

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Speaker 3: We're sports and social media collide. We are limited time

1379
01:06:11,760 --> 01:06:15,840
Speaker 3: today because we have Red Spaceball coming up one half

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Speaker 3: hour from Mark.

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Speaker 1: Yes, twelve forty.

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Speaker 6: First pitch for that one, Andrew Abbott versus Paul schemes.

1383
01:06:23,960 --> 01:06:25,640
Speaker 1: But can mother nature?

1384
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Speaker 6: That's the question behave today so we can get this

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Speaker 6: one in.

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Speaker 3: It might Yet, if you're going down for the game, yep,

1387
01:06:31,960 --> 01:06:35,520
Speaker 3: poncho would be recommended. You probably are gonna get wet.

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01:06:36,160 --> 01:06:37,720
Speaker 3: I don't know looking at it, gun, I wonder if

1389
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Speaker 3: they think they'll get this in. I mean it might,

1390
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Speaker 3: It may take a minute.

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Speaker 1: I think they're gonna do their very best.

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Speaker 3: Brown Screw has a tarp at the ready, and hopefully.

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Speaker 1: Nobody gets swallowed. Up in that thing.

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Speaker 6: I feel like every time a tarp comes out, somebody

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Speaker 6: gets swallowed out.

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Speaker 3: I'd your boy Williamson.

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Speaker 6: Look last night, Welcome back to Brandon Williamson a really

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Speaker 6: tough welcome.

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Speaker 3: Back the entire I'm driving listening to Tommy interviewed Brandon Williamson.

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01:07:03,480 --> 01:07:05,000
Speaker 3: He's like, how do you feel? I've never felt this

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Speaker 3: good in my life. I probably was not this good

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Speaker 3: one I was born.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he was so confident.

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01:07:09,240 --> 01:07:10,960
Speaker 3: I'm ready to go. I'm ready to rock and rolling

1405
01:07:11,080 --> 01:07:11,840
Speaker 3: right from the jump.

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Speaker 6: And it was very obvious that he did not pitch

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01:07:14,360 --> 01:07:17,840
Speaker 6: last season, gave up six runs, and Tita left him

1408
01:07:17,840 --> 01:07:18,240
Speaker 6: out there.

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Speaker 1: He's like, look, dude, you gotta work through this thing.

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Speaker 6: So, uh, Red's not gonna sweep the Pirates like we

1411
01:07:24,720 --> 01:07:26,360
Speaker 6: thought they couldn't get it done last night.

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Speaker 1: Eight to three was the final. So we got the

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01:07:28,280 --> 01:07:28,920
Speaker 1: rubber today.

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01:07:29,000 --> 01:07:31,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, but you know what, two of three? I have

1415
01:07:31,320 --> 01:07:32,680
Speaker 3: take two or three all day long.

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01:07:33,320 --> 01:07:35,919
Speaker 6: Hopefully as long as Andrew Robik can look a lot

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Speaker 6: better than Paul Skeins.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Paul Skins had a.

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Speaker 6: Tough opening daycked, but I'm gonna blame his defense on

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01:07:42,840 --> 01:07:45,720
Speaker 6: that one. So we'll see. We know that Paul Skins

1421
01:07:45,800 --> 01:07:47,000
Speaker 6: is better than what happened to him.

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Speaker 3: All James is a baller. I think he's gonna come

1423
01:07:49,480 --> 01:07:51,640
Speaker 3: out today and just absolutely go lights out here.

1424
01:07:51,680 --> 01:07:52,520
Speaker 1: He's going to be rolling.

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Speaker 6: So we are heavily relying that our offense can slip

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Speaker 6: on past him. Maybe we'll see another South Steward bomb

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01:07:58,960 --> 01:08:01,960
Speaker 6: because he's I've been staying hot. Ellie Da La Cruz

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01:08:02,000 --> 01:08:05,520
Speaker 6: looked good last night and I don't know who knows

1429
01:08:05,520 --> 01:08:06,200
Speaker 6: what could happen to me?

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Speaker 3: I went to the Bread's Big too, no other way,

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01:08:08,080 --> 01:08:10,960
Speaker 3: that was fantastic at the Great American Ballpark and wait,

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Speaker 3: wait thanks somebody our friends at key Bank.

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Speaker 6: Oh you were in a fancy suite, fancy pant to

1434
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Speaker 6: do that? Yeah, you got to sit out underneath the

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Speaker 6: stack with me.

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Speaker 3: I went past the seven hundred W LW suite mean

1437
01:08:25,600 --> 01:08:27,920
Speaker 3: you no, and they said, no, you don't belong here.

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01:08:28,000 --> 01:08:31,720
Speaker 3: Get the hell out. So I'm also come on, I'll

1439
01:08:31,800 --> 01:08:32,479
Speaker 3: have some beers.

1440
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Speaker 6: I was like, can I sit in the Ihearts Sweet?

1441
01:08:36,560 --> 01:08:38,840
Speaker 6: I'll have clients text me like, hey, I'm in the Iheartsweet.

1442
01:08:38,880 --> 01:08:39,640
Speaker 1: I'm like, what's it like?

1443
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Speaker 5: Right? Right, right?

1444
01:08:41,160 --> 01:08:44,200
Speaker 1: But Brandon Williamson just shaking it off after last night.

1445
01:08:44,240 --> 01:08:46,200
Speaker 6: He goes, look, I'm gonna go hug my kids and

1446
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Speaker 6: forget all about this. And if you were watching the

1447
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Speaker 6: broadcast last night, his wife and his two beautiful little

1448
01:08:52,320 --> 01:08:55,479
Speaker 6: girls were in attendance hoping to see dad have a

1449
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Speaker 6: much better night.

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Speaker 1: But again, you just you do have to shake it off.

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Speaker 6: Hopefully we'll see a much better start out of him

1452
01:09:01,080 --> 01:09:04,160
Speaker 6: the next time. And speaking of getting a better start,

1453
01:09:04,240 --> 01:09:09,599
Speaker 6: Nick Lidolo, he's getting back after that blister. Tito said

1454
01:09:09,600 --> 01:09:12,800
Speaker 6: that Nick's gonna be making his rehab start for the

1455
01:09:12,920 --> 01:09:18,439
Speaker 6: Daytona tortugas on angle seconds after the blister on the

1456
01:09:18,520 --> 01:09:19,360
Speaker 6: left index.

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Speaker 3: What's a tortuga. It's one of them Mexican real cheese.

1458
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Speaker 1: And get it topped with sulfa.

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01:09:25,320 --> 01:09:30,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, the turtles, the turtles, all right, So rehabs start and.

1460
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Speaker 6: Then so he could get back into that rotation by

1461
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Speaker 6: the time they hit up Miami next week if all

1462
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Speaker 6: goes well. I mean, we've seen how this guy recovers

1463
01:09:38,400 --> 01:09:41,920
Speaker 6: from blisters and it's not really been ideal in the past.

1464
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Speaker 3: Are we at Miami That's.

1465
01:09:43,920 --> 01:09:44,960
Speaker 1: Where we're headed next.

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Speaker 6: Yep, they've got the Rangers this weekend and then they're

1467
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Speaker 6: in Miami next week.

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01:09:49,000 --> 01:09:51,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, so you're in Miami where it's hot and humid.

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01:09:51,680 --> 01:09:53,400
Speaker 6: Just like it was kind of out in Arizona with

1470
01:09:53,439 --> 01:09:55,000
Speaker 6: the heat not as much humidity.

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Speaker 3: You just pitching cold weather areas, Like say, him from

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Speaker 3: Milwaukee go to the Yankees.

1473
01:10:01,200 --> 01:10:04,519
Speaker 1: We can't like base his pitching off the weather. Otherwise

1474
01:10:04,520 --> 01:10:06,040
Speaker 1: we're going to get nowhere with this.

1475
01:10:06,120 --> 01:10:09,040
Speaker 3: Guy this season humid, probably you don't want to start him,

1476
01:10:09,120 --> 01:10:11,160
Speaker 3: and so is he just a cold weather pitcher save

1477
01:10:11,240 --> 01:10:12,080
Speaker 3: in from October.

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Speaker 6: That means we're not going to see him pitching Cincinnati

1479
01:10:14,240 --> 01:10:16,439
Speaker 6: between the months of June all the way up through

1480
01:10:16,439 --> 01:10:18,640
Speaker 6: the end of August, because you know how much it

1481
01:10:18,840 --> 01:10:21,360
Speaker 6: sucks here in Cincinnati with that humid stuff.

1482
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Speaker 3: That's rough.

1483
01:10:22,400 --> 01:10:25,800
Speaker 6: But yeah, April six sets him at the fifteen day

1484
01:10:25,960 --> 01:10:30,479
Speaker 6: io end point. All of this over the blister, Yeah,

1485
01:10:30,479 --> 01:10:32,839
Speaker 6: the blister. The blisters are a beat.

1486
01:10:32,800 --> 01:10:34,839
Speaker 3: When he's on, when he's now, when he's not blistering,

1487
01:10:34,880 --> 01:10:39,040
Speaker 3: he's throwing seeds. So hopefully cross our fingers, Cross our fingers.

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01:10:39,080 --> 01:10:41,360
Speaker 6: I mean, we had talked about this last week. It's like,

1489
01:10:41,600 --> 01:10:43,560
Speaker 6: can't we just put a glove over this thing? And

1490
01:10:43,800 --> 01:10:44,840
Speaker 6: say get back out there.

1491
01:10:45,080 --> 01:10:48,320
Speaker 3: Only one obviously, but Chase Burns had a good outing

1492
01:10:48,360 --> 01:10:49,240
Speaker 3: the other day, so we're going.

1493
01:10:49,240 --> 01:10:52,120
Speaker 6: To taste up great. Red Louder looked great. I love

1494
01:10:52,200 --> 01:10:55,040
Speaker 6: what we saw from Andrew Rabbit on opening day. And

1495
01:10:55,120 --> 01:10:57,000
Speaker 6: of course our guy Hunter Green, we're not going to

1496
01:10:57,000 --> 01:10:59,599
Speaker 6: see him for quite some time. So the chips, he's

1497
01:10:59,600 --> 01:11:00,679
Speaker 6: got the chips in the bow.

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01:11:01,040 --> 01:11:03,080
Speaker 3: The chips. Got to get the chips fixed and hopefully

1499
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Speaker 3: all star break fingers crossed and you make a run.

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Speaker 1: So hope, just get it done at the start of

1501
01:11:10,479 --> 01:11:11,080
Speaker 1: the season.

1502
01:11:11,439 --> 01:11:13,920
Speaker 6: Let's get it together because you know that injuries are

1503
01:11:13,960 --> 01:11:14,599
Speaker 6: the name of the game.

1504
01:11:14,920 --> 01:11:17,960
Speaker 3: That's sale Stewart. I thought, oh man, so fun.

1505
01:11:18,160 --> 01:11:21,360
Speaker 6: Well when he got hit in the wrist day that

1506
01:11:21,520 --> 01:11:24,120
Speaker 6: was opening day, right here we go, I'm like, that's

1507
01:11:24,120 --> 01:11:27,679
Speaker 6: our head er man over again. Uh huh yeah, South

1508
01:11:27,960 --> 01:11:30,960
Speaker 6: South Bend lights out. He's been such a joy to

1509
01:11:31,080 --> 01:11:31,880
Speaker 6: what when.

1510
01:11:31,720 --> 01:11:34,040
Speaker 3: He turned a double play the other night was fantastic.

1511
01:11:34,200 --> 01:11:36,000
Speaker 1: He's not playing like a rookie, that's for dam I'm

1512
01:11:36,000 --> 01:11:37,479
Speaker 1: sure kid.

1513
01:11:37,640 --> 01:11:39,559
Speaker 3: Uh uh, there's your rookie of the year right there.

1514
01:11:39,600 --> 01:11:40,240
Speaker 3: Salth Stewart.

1515
01:11:40,760 --> 01:11:42,920
Speaker 6: You know, it was like, I don't think he realizes

1516
01:11:43,120 --> 01:11:44,880
Speaker 6: that he's an actual rookie.

1517
01:11:44,960 --> 01:11:45,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, it doesn't care.

1518
01:11:46,479 --> 01:11:48,320
Speaker 6: He does seem like he's having a lot of fun,

1519
01:11:49,040 --> 01:11:50,280
Speaker 6: and I'm having a lot of fun.

1520
01:11:50,320 --> 01:11:52,600
Speaker 1: Our guy, au Haanio swore a.

1521
01:11:54,920 --> 01:11:57,559
Speaker 6: Hit a nice bomb during Sunday's game when we're at

1522
01:11:57,560 --> 01:11:57,880
Speaker 6: that one.

1523
01:11:57,920 --> 01:12:00,960
Speaker 1: It went way passed us into the moon. I don't know.

1524
01:12:01,000 --> 01:12:03,439
Speaker 6: I guess the new home run dance is like the

1525
01:12:03,520 --> 01:12:05,840
Speaker 6: six to seventh thing, because that's what Suarez was doing.

1526
01:12:06,400 --> 01:12:08,839
Speaker 6: I'm like, okay, our celebration has gone from the Viking

1527
01:12:08,960 --> 01:12:09,840
Speaker 6: to the money gun.

1528
01:12:09,920 --> 01:12:10,759
Speaker 1: Now we're six.

1529
01:12:10,720 --> 01:12:13,920
Speaker 3: Seven okay, and Gino eleven strikeouts one home run. That's

1530
01:12:13,920 --> 01:12:14,320
Speaker 3: good enough.

1531
01:12:14,760 --> 01:12:15,439
Speaker 1: That's what we need.

1532
01:12:16,120 --> 01:12:19,480
Speaker 6: That's why we brought him back for that one year contract.

1533
01:12:19,720 --> 01:12:21,800
Speaker 3: Basically, I was exposed to my wife the other night

1534
01:12:21,800 --> 01:12:22,479
Speaker 3: and go, what does he do?

1535
01:12:22,600 --> 01:12:22,760
Speaker 5: Well?

1536
01:12:22,840 --> 01:12:24,200
Speaker 3: He strikes out a lot, Well, then why is he

1537
01:12:24,240 --> 01:12:25,559
Speaker 3: on the twice ball because he.

1538
01:12:25,560 --> 01:12:26,960
Speaker 1: Can hit mombs every now and then.

1539
01:12:27,160 --> 01:12:30,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, So basically what happens is he hits what if

1540
01:12:30,120 --> 01:12:32,680
Speaker 3: he's in the math mass on this one, All you

1541
01:12:32,720 --> 01:12:34,200
Speaker 3: gotta do is hit one home run. This see a

1542
01:12:34,240 --> 01:12:36,760
Speaker 3: three game series the rest. That's what he's doing.

1543
01:12:36,840 --> 01:12:39,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, welcome back, Adam done. That's all as long as

1544
01:12:39,920 --> 01:12:40,879
Speaker 1: he can get it done.

1545
01:12:40,960 --> 01:12:43,240
Speaker 6: And he is the reason, the biggest reason for that

1546
01:12:43,320 --> 01:12:45,640
Speaker 6: win on Sunday. So that's why they were able to

1547
01:12:45,640 --> 01:12:47,880
Speaker 6: win that first series. I'm putting all of that on Gino.

1548
01:12:48,400 --> 01:12:50,320
Speaker 6: And at the end during that uh press or, I

1549
01:12:50,320 --> 01:12:51,880
Speaker 6: guess he was in the interview with Jim Day and

1550
01:12:51,920 --> 01:12:54,240
Speaker 6: he goes, have a good night, gem Gene.

1551
01:12:57,360 --> 01:12:59,520
Speaker 1: I love Sorez. He's my favorite.

1552
01:13:00,040 --> 01:13:02,240
Speaker 3: Sarah LEAs is here. This is the outside pitch on

1553
01:13:02,280 --> 01:13:05,400
Speaker 3: seven hundred W. Inside pitch starts at about eleven thirty

1554
01:13:05,560 --> 01:13:08,439
Speaker 3: and we've got red spaceball today. It's Cincinnati and Pittsburgh

1555
01:13:08,479 --> 01:13:11,000
Speaker 3: fingers crossed over. The weather got some nasty stuff on

1556
01:13:11,040 --> 01:13:13,120
Speaker 3: the horizon here like in the one o'clock hour, but

1557
01:13:13,400 --> 01:13:14,960
Speaker 3: again it changes it. Since he who.

1558
01:13:14,920 --> 01:13:17,200
Speaker 6: Knows who knows, just give us a solid two and

1559
01:13:17,240 --> 01:13:18,680
Speaker 6: a half hours, we should be able to get in

1560
01:13:18,720 --> 01:13:19,160
Speaker 6: and get out.

1561
01:13:19,160 --> 01:13:21,840
Speaker 1: I mean with this pitching matchup could be really cool.

1562
01:13:21,880 --> 01:13:22,760
Speaker 3: We're going to the game today.

1563
01:13:22,840 --> 01:13:23,719
Speaker 1: I'll be there today.

1564
01:13:23,880 --> 01:13:24,160
Speaker 5: Yep.

1565
01:13:24,360 --> 01:13:26,000
Speaker 1: How long How in the moon sun.

1566
01:13:25,960 --> 01:13:28,360
Speaker 3: Deep hours did it take you to put on your makeup?

1567
01:13:28,400 --> 01:13:32,280
Speaker 3: And how she will make because you take seven hours.

1568
01:13:31,960 --> 01:13:34,200
Speaker 1: To trust me? Slony it's worse if I don't wear.

1569
01:13:34,040 --> 01:13:37,840
Speaker 3: It, but within thirty minutes of being out in this weather,

1570
01:13:37,960 --> 01:13:41,040
Speaker 3: it's gonna I don't even care. I don't well take

1571
01:13:41,280 --> 01:13:42,360
Speaker 3: hundreds of dollars in flesh.

1572
01:13:42,479 --> 01:13:44,320
Speaker 6: My makeup doesn't matter. It doesn't matter what I look

1573
01:13:44,320 --> 01:13:48,280
Speaker 6: like last. All that matters is what's trending on social media.

1574
01:13:48,360 --> 01:13:50,920
Speaker 3: Have you seen the Instagram pictures of Sarah? For God's sake,

1575
01:13:51,200 --> 01:13:53,360
Speaker 3: what's what's wrong with that? I'm just saying, it's like, dude,

1576
01:13:53,360 --> 01:13:55,000
Speaker 3: so it looks like you're not wearing makeup, that you're

1577
01:13:55,040 --> 01:13:56,200
Speaker 3: not all put together everything.

1578
01:13:56,200 --> 01:13:58,599
Speaker 6: I don't want to see me without it. It's way worse.

1579
01:13:58,640 --> 01:14:01,800
Speaker 6: It's bad with it, it's even worse. She looks more

1580
01:14:01,840 --> 01:14:04,880
Speaker 6: like Jim Gray Jim Day than maybe Jim Gray too.

1581
01:14:06,400 --> 01:14:08,320
Speaker 1: Really, I look like Jim like Jim.

1582
01:14:08,240 --> 01:14:11,840
Speaker 3: Day without makeup. Thanks, but there's hope for Jim Day

1583
01:14:11,840 --> 01:14:13,519
Speaker 3: then too, if you just put a little work in.

1584
01:14:14,960 --> 01:14:17,040
Speaker 1: I mean, it's there are so many comments.

1585
01:14:17,080 --> 01:14:19,080
Speaker 6: I'm just gonna let him go because when we're here

1586
01:14:19,120 --> 01:14:21,839
Speaker 6: to talk about what's trending on social media? Since Nice Sports,

1587
01:14:22,120 --> 01:14:26,559
Speaker 6: the Reds City Connect Jerseys. The Reds put that out

1588
01:14:26,640 --> 01:14:30,760
Speaker 6: yesterday on their social media. They said coming soon, so

1589
01:14:30,800 --> 01:14:32,880
Speaker 6: we got to see some reactions from the players. We

1590
01:14:32,880 --> 01:14:34,200
Speaker 6: talked about our guy Sal Stewart.

1591
01:14:34,240 --> 01:14:38,559
Speaker 1: He called them mad Aura, mad Aura. He walked and

1592
01:14:38,600 --> 01:14:40,759
Speaker 1: he said, mad Aura.

1593
01:14:41,080 --> 01:14:43,120
Speaker 6: Okay, how the door keep But I'm gonna let it

1594
01:14:43,160 --> 01:14:47,360
Speaker 6: go because it's su Stewart. They said coming soon. That's

1595
01:14:47,400 --> 01:14:48,160
Speaker 6: all we know.

1596
01:14:48,400 --> 01:14:48,559
Speaker 7: Now.

1597
01:14:48,560 --> 01:14:50,479
Speaker 1: There have been some leaks out there.

1598
01:14:50,439 --> 01:14:54,120
Speaker 6: On social media, and these New City Connect jerseys are

1599
01:14:54,280 --> 01:14:56,000
Speaker 6: red and they've got.

1600
01:14:55,760 --> 01:14:58,120
Speaker 1: Like the Sea. It's all white and it's got like

1601
01:14:58,160 --> 01:15:00,439
Speaker 1: the Connect look to it. I think they are fun.

1602
01:15:00,479 --> 01:15:02,479
Speaker 6: I hope they pair them with red pants if that

1603
01:15:02,640 --> 01:15:05,360
Speaker 6: is indeed the actual New City Connect jersey.

1604
01:15:05,600 --> 01:15:08,160
Speaker 3: Is that why you're wearing your old City Connect gear today?

1605
01:15:08,360 --> 01:15:09,360
Speaker 3: I just want I just.

1606
01:15:09,360 --> 01:15:12,640
Speaker 6: Picked out whatever, I picked out, whatever was comfortable on

1607
01:15:12,800 --> 01:15:15,200
Speaker 6: babysitting dogs this week. It's got hair all over it.

1608
01:15:15,240 --> 01:15:17,000
Speaker 6: I don't even care. I'm not I just want to

1609
01:15:17,000 --> 01:15:18,280
Speaker 6: go see my team win today.

1610
01:15:18,400 --> 01:15:20,240
Speaker 3: I will say the hat. I'm not a fan of

1611
01:15:20,280 --> 01:15:21,040
Speaker 3: the sea on the hat.

1612
01:15:21,320 --> 01:15:24,120
Speaker 1: I love the Sea. I love the Connects sea.

1613
01:15:24,640 --> 01:15:26,960
Speaker 3: But I love the black jersey. Looks amazing.

1614
01:15:27,040 --> 01:15:30,200
Speaker 6: They're so slick. We'll see those appear for the first

1615
01:15:30,240 --> 01:15:32,840
Speaker 6: time this season. Next Friday night when the Reds are

1616
01:15:32,840 --> 01:15:36,360
Speaker 6: back in town and for the first postgame fireworks show.

1617
01:15:36,520 --> 01:15:38,559
Speaker 6: So all right good, but yeah, a lot of the players,

1618
01:15:38,560 --> 01:15:41,000
Speaker 6: their reactions are saying things like, yeah, these are sick,

1619
01:15:41,439 --> 01:15:42,879
Speaker 6: sweet clean.

1620
01:15:43,920 --> 01:15:46,559
Speaker 1: I don't know, all right, I think it'll look cool.

1621
01:15:46,560 --> 01:15:49,480
Speaker 1: You can't go wrong with red, black and white, honestly.

1622
01:15:49,400 --> 01:15:52,200
Speaker 6: Yeah, we've got that. We've got a good like color

1623
01:15:52,280 --> 01:15:54,439
Speaker 6: scheme going on here. So all right, there you go,

1624
01:15:55,000 --> 01:15:56,360
Speaker 6: all right, what else we got going on?

1625
01:15:56,400 --> 01:15:58,680
Speaker 1: The one bright spot in last night's game was the

1626
01:15:58,760 --> 01:16:03,240
Speaker 1: Tito speedo. Oh what I don't know if you were

1627
01:16:03,240 --> 01:16:05,639
Speaker 1: watching the broadcast, but you.

1628
01:16:05,600 --> 01:16:08,040
Speaker 3: Can't watch the broadc I gotta I guess it's ninety

1629
01:16:08,120 --> 01:16:10,519
Speaker 3: nine bucks for that. That's hundred bucks for the MLB, not.

1630
01:16:10,600 --> 01:16:11,880
Speaker 1: If you have Altifiber.

1631
01:16:13,439 --> 01:16:16,640
Speaker 6: Got to show ALTI Fiber and love glad I've got it.

1632
01:16:16,680 --> 01:16:19,280
Speaker 1: Sucks to be you because I got to see the

1633
01:16:19,360 --> 01:16:20,160
Speaker 1: Tito's speed out.

1634
01:16:21,400 --> 01:16:24,799
Speaker 6: But yeah, last night they were talking about how Tyler

1635
01:16:24,880 --> 01:16:27,840
Speaker 6: Stevenson walked into Tito's office the other day wearing like

1636
01:16:27,880 --> 01:16:30,280
Speaker 6: a robe and and He's like, hey man, we got

1637
01:16:30,320 --> 01:16:31,240
Speaker 6: to talk about something.

1638
01:16:31,240 --> 01:16:34,040
Speaker 1: And Tito's like, yeah, what's up? And he like opened

1639
01:16:34,120 --> 01:16:37,880
Speaker 1: up the robe and like, Tito Oliver is underwear.

1640
01:16:38,000 --> 01:16:38,160
Speaker 4: But.

1641
01:16:40,960 --> 01:16:44,600
Speaker 3: Because you can get the socks of it, so funny.

1642
01:16:44,439 --> 01:16:47,000
Speaker 1: So silly. I don't understand any of it, but it's

1643
01:16:47,040 --> 01:16:50,240
Speaker 1: just funny, he said. He laughed.

1644
01:16:50,520 --> 01:16:52,160
Speaker 6: But I guess at first he was a little nervous,

1645
01:16:52,200 --> 01:16:54,439
Speaker 6: like Tyler was very serious and he's like, yeah, like,

1646
01:16:54,479 --> 01:16:56,240
Speaker 6: what's up man, I'm thinking that maybe there was.

1647
01:16:56,240 --> 01:16:59,280
Speaker 1: An injury, Like, oh no, here we go, because.

1648
01:16:59,080 --> 01:17:01,479
Speaker 6: We know that Tyler's dealt with plenty of those before.

1649
01:17:01,560 --> 01:17:03,920
Speaker 6: But no, it was Tito's head all over his crutch.

1650
01:17:06,320 --> 01:17:07,880
Speaker 6: You know, Sincey's shirts is going to try to.

1651
01:17:07,840 --> 01:17:08,280
Speaker 1: Get in on that.

1652
01:17:10,040 --> 01:17:14,600
Speaker 6: Everybody one of those outside of my chains with the

1653
01:17:14,720 --> 01:17:19,559
Speaker 6: jersey cute. Okay, moving on to football. Do we have

1654
01:17:19,640 --> 01:17:21,040
Speaker 6: time for a little quick football star?

1655
01:17:22,240 --> 01:17:22,800
Speaker 1: Oh gosh.

1656
01:17:22,880 --> 01:17:27,479
Speaker 6: So Andrew Whitworth weighing in on how the Bengals can

1657
01:17:27,520 --> 01:17:31,160
Speaker 6: get better. And this is no surprise, we all know this,

1658
01:17:31,880 --> 01:17:34,080
Speaker 6: uh so, he said, I think the biggest problem has

1659
01:17:34,120 --> 01:17:36,760
Speaker 6: always been not being able to bring in the kind

1660
01:17:36,760 --> 01:17:37,799
Speaker 6: of guys that draft.

1661
01:17:37,840 --> 01:17:41,080
Speaker 1: Well, there you go, that's all it is, draft better

1662
01:17:42,640 --> 01:17:44,959
Speaker 1: and so and Whitworth.

1663
01:17:45,240 --> 01:17:48,120
Speaker 3: So we remedy that by just having the same people

1664
01:17:49,280 --> 01:17:49,719
Speaker 3: the draft.

1665
01:17:49,880 --> 01:17:52,439
Speaker 1: Yes, it looks like nothing will change.

1666
01:17:53,680 --> 01:17:55,040
Speaker 3: Well, you know, we got to get lucky.

1667
01:17:55,080 --> 01:17:59,400
Speaker 6: He's undone, Andrew Andrew Whitworth said, a franchise like Cincinnati,

1668
01:17:59,479 --> 01:18:02,639
Speaker 6: let's be real, they're not gonna live in a trade

1669
01:18:02,720 --> 01:18:05,600
Speaker 6: world and they're not going to overpay guys. So guess what,

1670
01:18:05,680 --> 01:18:07,479
Speaker 6: You're gonna have to draft well, and when you don't,

1671
01:18:07,520 --> 01:18:09,920
Speaker 6: the entire team suffers. And that's why it's been a

1672
01:18:09,920 --> 01:18:14,040
Speaker 6: big problem. That is all according to our guy, Andrew Whitworth.

1673
01:18:14,040 --> 01:18:16,400
Speaker 6: And of course, the draft starts on April twenty third.

1674
01:18:16,439 --> 01:18:18,240
Speaker 6: The Bengals pick tenth.

1675
01:18:18,120 --> 01:18:20,200
Speaker 3: Overall, tenth overall.

1676
01:18:19,880 --> 01:18:24,120
Speaker 6: Number ten, number tenumber hoping for a good one. I

1677
01:18:24,160 --> 01:18:26,320
Speaker 6: don't have any reason to believe that this would be a.

1678
01:18:26,280 --> 01:18:30,160
Speaker 3: Successful So there's no hope.

1679
01:18:30,160 --> 01:18:32,680
Speaker 1: That's right, there's I mean, it's there's always next year.

1680
01:18:33,120 --> 01:18:34,760
Speaker 3: You're okay, we're not going to spend a little bit,

1681
01:18:34,760 --> 01:18:36,479
Speaker 3: so we're gonna put a lot of resources in the

1682
01:18:36,479 --> 01:18:39,200
Speaker 3: front office and the scouting and all the Yeah, yeah,

1683
01:18:39,240 --> 01:18:41,479
Speaker 3: we really need to we really need to hit hit

1684
01:18:41,479 --> 01:18:43,679
Speaker 3: it up now, because.

1685
01:18:43,479 --> 01:18:45,760
Speaker 1: Someone should tell Joe Burrow to come back from La.

1686
01:18:45,920 --> 01:18:46,120
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1687
01:18:46,400 --> 01:18:47,719
Speaker 1: Almost time to go, baby.

1688
01:18:47,640 --> 01:18:50,040
Speaker 3: Sara release. It's a snort report every Wednesday morning. You

1689
01:18:50,080 --> 01:18:51,960
Speaker 3: can find her back in her hole and one of

1690
01:18:52,040 --> 01:18:55,080
Speaker 3: two seven EBN tomorrow morning. Yes, and she's going to

1691
01:18:55,080 --> 01:18:56,800
Speaker 3: the game right now. Look for her in section. Where

1692
01:18:56,840 --> 01:18:59,640
Speaker 3: are you going to be a score? Can't say?

1693
01:18:59,160 --> 01:19:02,759
Speaker 1: Can you in a fancy suite like you to be bothered?

1694
01:19:02,840 --> 01:19:02,920
Speaker 7: No?

1695
01:19:03,000 --> 01:19:05,600
Speaker 6: I slum it with my uh my hot dog in

1696
01:19:05,640 --> 01:19:07,000
Speaker 6: the in the outfield.

1697
01:19:07,560 --> 01:19:10,600
Speaker 1: Hold wet, wet dogs today.

1698
01:19:10,360 --> 01:19:11,439
Speaker 3: Dogs, it's wet dog day.

1699
01:19:11,439 --> 01:19:13,680
Speaker 6: Are hopefully we can get this matchup in because it's

1700
01:19:13,720 --> 01:19:15,720
Speaker 6: gonna be a really good one watching Paul Skeins and

1701
01:19:15,720 --> 01:19:16,200
Speaker 6: Andrew Rabbit.

1702
01:19:16,200 --> 01:19:17,880
Speaker 3: All Right, Andrew Rabbit, we'll get to see him.

1703
01:19:18,200 --> 01:19:18,439
Speaker 5: Yep.

1704
01:19:18,520 --> 01:19:21,760
Speaker 3: And Paul Sken's got rocked by Detroit. I believe it

1705
01:19:21,800 --> 01:19:22,320
Speaker 3: was Detroit.

1706
01:19:22,360 --> 01:19:23,799
Speaker 1: Hey, I'm blaming his defense.

1707
01:19:23,840 --> 01:19:27,639
Speaker 6: This dude suck, which is era of like a seventy

1708
01:19:27,760 --> 01:19:29,040
Speaker 6: six sixty.

1709
01:19:28,760 --> 01:19:32,720
Speaker 3: Seven and a half sixty seven point five era with

1710
01:19:32,800 --> 01:19:34,800
Speaker 3: one strike up that continues today.

1711
01:19:34,880 --> 01:19:36,880
Speaker 6: Yeah, Paul Skins is like, I'm just trying to get

1712
01:19:36,920 --> 01:19:38,880
Speaker 6: the heck out of Pittsburgh and get my way into

1713
01:19:38,880 --> 01:19:39,760
Speaker 6: some pinstripes.

1714
01:19:40,080 --> 01:19:42,479
Speaker 3: A chance to we'll see anyway. That is a matchup.

1715
01:19:42,520 --> 01:19:45,599
Speaker 3: Twelve forty first pitch of course, the inside pitch. Right

1716
01:19:45,640 --> 01:19:47,960
Speaker 3: after this update on the home of the Red seven

1717
01:19:48,080 --> 01:19:49,680
Speaker 3: hundred WLWD Cincinnati,