Speaker 1: Alongside the one, the only, Jason Williams, the third day
Speaker 1: in a row. Jason, howwy good brother? How you doing? Man?
Speaker 2: I am good. So it's that time of year.
Speaker 3: Everyone's getting packages and packages and packages and packages delivered
Speaker 3: to their house, which means you're a soft target for
Speaker 3: porch pirates, right those folks that they drive up, they
Speaker 3: jump out of the car, steal your package, jump.
Speaker 1: In the car, and none you can do about it. Well,
Speaker 1: we'll flip off your ring camera for you one exactly
Speaker 1: like a face at it. Right. Well, I think there's
Speaker 1: a lot of people out there, I'm certainly one of
Speaker 1: them to think, you know, the like it's just some
Speaker 1: good old fashioned street justice. Have some frontier.
Speaker 2: Justice would maybe stop this? And is there something we
Speaker 2: can do?
Speaker 1: Can we booby trap a package and allow it to
Speaker 1: blow up on them? If we've seen the videos online,
Speaker 1: they're hilarious and I think justified.
Speaker 2: But is it legal? And join us right now? Is
Speaker 2: attorney to the Stars.
Speaker 1: He's the first m an attorney here in town, the one,
Speaker 1: the only Jack grind Or Jack Howell are you hey?
Speaker 4: Roc?
Speaker 5: Are you doing good luck to your bombers this weekend?
Speaker 5: I want to make sure I get that.
Speaker 1: In before I appreciate it. Yeah, it's a big one.
Speaker 1: All comes down to this, we'll good, well, thank you.
Speaker 1: So yeah, and you wrote a good, a great op
Speaker 1: ed for the the Inquiry here talking about that, and.
Speaker 2: You know a lot of folks I feel I feel
Speaker 2: the same way I do.
Speaker 1: It's like, you know, one way to to stop this
Speaker 1: from happening is just a good some good old fashioned
Speaker 1: retribution here.
Speaker 2: But legally speaking, can we do such things?
Speaker 5: Well, yes and no, or maybe I should say no
Speaker 5: and yes.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 5: Uh, A reader, a guy who reads my column wrote
Speaker 5: me an email and said, hey, I heard about this,
Speaker 5: can you can you write about it? So that's how
Speaker 5: it came about. I hadn't really given them a whole
Speaker 5: lot of thought, to.
Speaker 4: Be honest with you.
Speaker 5: But so I think that.
Speaker 1: If you.
Speaker 5: Injure somebody and you do it intentionally, and sometimes the
Speaker 5: law uses the word wantonly, uh, you can be liable
Speaker 5: for that injury. Now, And that's why I say yes
Speaker 5: and no. So yes, there can be liability, but there
Speaker 5: has to be some sort of injury. I mean, if
Speaker 5: it is just a you know, if it's a glitter bomb.
Speaker 1: But is everybody's seen online some great videos. They steal
Speaker 1: the package, they run out and boom a giant puff
Speaker 1: of a bye or whatever.
Speaker 5: So I don't think there's gonna be liability, you know,
Speaker 5: for just that kind of prank. I mean, you know,
Speaker 5: unless the guy wants you to pay his dry cleaning
Speaker 5: or something like that. But I don't think that's probably
Speaker 5: gonna happen. So uh, I think that. But the risk
Speaker 5: is if it if something goes wrong and you know,
Speaker 5: somehow or another the device you know, injures that person,
Speaker 5: perhaps burns them or uh, you know, causes eye problems
Speaker 5: for example, or you know, inhalation of it is you know,
Speaker 5: becomes a problem. So there really can be and and
Speaker 5: the law says that the level of care that you
Speaker 5: owe to somebody as a homeowner really depends on why
Speaker 5: that person is on your property. So if you've been
Speaker 5: if you've invited someone uh to come, you know, a
Speaker 5: plumber or something, and there's some unsafe situation in your house,
Speaker 5: and you know, the plumber steps on the rate that
Speaker 5: you left on the front porch and pronks their head,
Speaker 5: You've got liability to that to that plumber. That's the
Speaker 5: highest level because you have you have invited that person
Speaker 5: in if you've got what are called licensees, and that
Speaker 5: is people who are come to your property for a
Speaker 5: purpose of their own. So think of a you know,
Speaker 5: a girl scout selling cookies. You've you've got a duty
Speaker 5: to take care of any known dangers, but you're not
Speaker 5: liable for something that's that's unforeseen like you would be
Speaker 5: with an invite. The third category is the trespasser, and
Speaker 5: you have no liability typically to a trespasser, except for
Speaker 5: intentional actions that you take with respect to the to
Speaker 5: the trespasser. I think the underlying reason for this, the
Speaker 5: principle under it is that, you know, if you booby
Speaker 5: trap that thing and some innocent person comes and just
Speaker 5: bumps it or something, and it goes off and causes
Speaker 5: them injury, the law wants to prevent that. So in
Speaker 5: order to sort of prevent injury to innocent people, you know,
Speaker 5: the law says that the homeowner can be liable for
Speaker 5: intentional conduct even if it harms a non innocent person.
Speaker 5: And it sounds a little counterintuitive, but but that really
Speaker 5: is the law.
Speaker 1: Jack Loves Your Love your op ed on susame dot
Speaker 1: com and you touched on everything you just said here.
Speaker 1: You touched on that in your column. What I'm confused
Speaker 1: on is the trespasser piece, because aren't you wouldn't you
Speaker 1: be considered if you're a porch pirate, You've come onto
Speaker 1: my ear. You're trespassing on my property, right, and so
Speaker 1: wouldn't you are?
Speaker 5: And you're you're a trespasser, uh, and therefore you are
Speaker 5: the least, you know, the lowest duty that a homeowner owns,
Speaker 5: and that means that the homeowner is is not liable
Speaker 5: for anything that happens unless the homeowner, you know, caused
Speaker 5: it intentionally, So that means rigging up a glitter bomb.
Speaker 5: That means, you know, having an anvile drop on their
Speaker 5: head if you're wildly coyote or something.
Speaker 6: Uh.
Speaker 4: But that's uh.
Speaker 1: But that's it.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 5: I've looked on YouTube. I was curious about whether I
Speaker 5: could find any cases that actually where this actually came up.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 5: You know, you can imagine that if I'm defending the
Speaker 5: homeowner again the porch pirate, I feel pretty good going
Speaker 5: into the case almost no matter what I did. I
Speaker 5: think the jury is going to be pretty sympathetic to
Speaker 5: the homeowner. So if there's not much casel that I
Speaker 5: could find I did find something on YouTube where a
Speaker 5: porch pirate who was absolutely.
Speaker 4: Caught in the act. I mean it was on the
Speaker 4: ring camera and they it was.
Speaker 5: It was a man and a woman working together the woman.
Speaker 5: The man waited in the car while the woman went
Speaker 5: up to the porch, grabs the package, starts to run away,
Speaker 5: and she trips and falls on the landscaping and really
Speaker 5: messes up her ankle. The man jumps out of the car,
Speaker 5: helps her into the car, then goes back and gets
Speaker 5: the package, and she sued the homeowner for damages from
Speaker 5: her ankle injury, and the court the judge just threw
Speaker 5: it out immediately and you know, let her know what
Speaker 5: he thought of her.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 5: And again but that fall, he had a gut really Uh.
Speaker 5: The hold owner didn't do anything intentionally to hurt that person, right.
Speaker 1: So that's that's.
Speaker 5: An illustration of how it works. Whereas you know, it's
Speaker 5: the plumber, Uh, somebody you invited on tripped over the
Speaker 5: landscape and you might have a problem. So that's that's
Speaker 5: how the law draws the line. But it does seem
Speaker 5: you know, I get it where you think, Well, wait
Speaker 5: a minute, Like I said in my column, you mean
Speaker 5: the Harry and mart and Home alone could sue Kevin McAllister,
Speaker 5: And actually they probably could, just Kevin was was clearly
Speaker 5: intending to harm them.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 1: But using your rake example, Jack, just to kind of
Speaker 1: sum it all up. If there's just happened to be
Speaker 1: a rake you left in your yard and someone you
Speaker 1: know steals a package and they're running out and they
Speaker 1: step on that thing and it goes through their foot,
Speaker 1: you're not liable. But if you purposefully put the rake
Speaker 1: in there for a way for them to get hurt
Speaker 1: while they're trustpassing on your yard, then you are liable,
Speaker 1: which seems crazy, but that's the breakdown, right have.
Speaker 5: You if you intended to cause the injury, Uh, You've
Speaker 5: you've got a problem. Uh So that's yeah. And again
Speaker 5: that's really to to protect innocent people who might get
Speaker 5: you know, collateral damage. It's trying to I guess, reduce
Speaker 5: collateral damage as much as possible.
Speaker 1: Well, Jack will listen. It has been great. We appreciate
Speaker 1: your time. I've got to let you go because I
Speaker 1: got to go home and diffuse a bunch of uh
Speaker 1: smoke bombs and packages at my house after talking with
Speaker 1: you here.
Speaker 5: Well, I'm glad to be of service, Rocky, And I'm
Speaker 5: not going to send you a billy.
Speaker 1: That's great.
Speaker 2: Just send one to you know, yeah, send one to
Speaker 2: him he needs it.
Speaker 1: Yes, Well, Jack has been great, brother, I really appreciate
Speaker 1: and uh, if we don't talk before, I have a
Speaker 1: great high all day man you too, Yes, yep, thanks
Speaker 1: to yah. I think so, because that would it would
Speaker 1: stop the problem. Right, it should be all about society
Speaker 1: should be the greater goal should be how do we
Speaker 1: get people to stop from doing this? Well, it's impossible
Speaker 1: for every cop to be at every house. But a
Speaker 1: way of stopping this is if there's enough people that
Speaker 1: see on video that there's folks out there that have
Speaker 1: packages and one of them could be wired up to
Speaker 1: blow up with die or hell anything explosives, it would
Speaker 1: stop the problem. Yeah, that's the problem with society. You
Speaker 1: forgot lawyers, Well you forgot to ask a key question.
Speaker 1: How many times has Jack Grinder covered my butt? Exactly?
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Speaker 2: On this day in History, nineteen ninety two.
Speaker 1: How about this, The first SMS text message is sent. Uh, well, Bob,
Speaker 1: it's that far back. Yeah. Neil Papworth, who was a
Speaker 1: twenty two year old engineer, uses a personal computer to
Speaker 1: send a text message of Merry Christmas to the Vodaphone
Speaker 1: network to the phone of a colleague. Papworth was working
Speaker 1: for the now defunct Anglo French IT Services company, was
Speaker 1: part of a team developing a short Message Service Center
Speaker 1: SMSC for the British telecommunications company Vota Phone in the UK.
Speaker 1: When they started getting the technology together together for it,
Speaker 1: sat out a computer terminal and sent the simple message
Speaker 1: to the mobile phone of Richard Jarvis, director of Vodaphone,
Speaker 1: who was attending holiday party. Quote it didn't feel momentous
Speaker 1: at all, Papworth later said, for me, it was just
Speaker 1: getting my job done on the day and ensuring that
Speaker 1: our software that we've been developing for a good year
Speaker 1: was working okay. Shortly after, Papworth received a call from
Speaker 1: the Christmas party letting him know that the outgoing message
Speaker 1: was received, so they couldn't text back from the phone
Speaker 1: to the computer.
Speaker 2: And that was way, way, way too complicated back then.
Speaker 1: But then then, and then one year later, and it's
Speaker 1: amazing how quickly things happen after this. One year later,
Speaker 1: Nokia released the first cell phone with the SMS feature,
Speaker 1: but messages uh then limited to one hundred and sixty
Speaker 1: characters due to bandwidth constraints could only be sent within
Speaker 1: the same mobile network, so you can send a Nokia
Speaker 1: to Nokia. Had they caught it? Like, was there a
Speaker 1: cost to it as well? I wonder yes? And yeah.
Speaker 1: Phone networks would finally allow users SMS across rival combretes
Speaker 1: in nineteen eighty nine as a means of casual communic communication.
Speaker 1: But but yeah, you had to there was a pretty
Speaker 1: substantial costs involved with it. Okay, so uh, text message
Speaker 1: the medi of communication blossom with the introduction of d
Speaker 1: T nine system, which is you know a little bit
Speaker 1: of of the it was still the you know, you
Speaker 1: got hit two yeah three times to get to see
Speaker 1: and all that. In the UK, the birthplace of texting,
Speaker 1: SMS messaging exploded in popularity. By February two thousand and one,
Speaker 1: about one billion texts were being sent every month and
Speaker 1: users were being charged here you go ten pence a text,
Speaker 1: and then by twenty ten reported that two hundred thousand
Speaker 1: text messages were being sent every minute. By twenty twelve,
Speaker 1: actually the texting started to see ad steady decline because
Speaker 1: now there's all there's you know, there's Facebook Messenger, there's
Speaker 1: fifty different things. That's one thing I complained about is
Speaker 1: there's so many different ways to like communicate. There's text,
Speaker 1: there's email, there's your work email, there's Facebook messenger, there's Instagram,
Speaker 1: you know message. It's it's crazy. I feel lucky to
Speaker 1: I was born. I remember the rotary telephone when I
Speaker 1: was young, right, the one where we had to put
Speaker 1: your finger in it and spin it. Then, of course
Speaker 1: the dial phone became popular. And then remember the days
Speaker 1: of the pager. My dad would not let me have
Speaker 1: a pager, even though it was kind of cool when
Speaker 1: I was in like, you know, middle school. Then cell
Speaker 1: phones and then cell phones that allowed you to text.
Speaker 1: I remember distinctly being in college. I've always said I
Speaker 1: didn't have a cell phone until my senior year. This
Speaker 1: was nineteen or shoot me, two thousand and two. I
Speaker 1: got when I think I was oh three, okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I held off. Oh yeah, I mean, well
Speaker 1: you would have been too, like, oh two, yeah, I
Speaker 1: have a long time, yeah, a long time in the office.
Speaker 1: Finally was like you gotta get one, right yeah, And
Speaker 1: of our little core group of friends, uh to, my
Speaker 1: buddies had one, and and I remember I distinctly remember
Speaker 1: I remember where I was when My one buddy was like,
Speaker 1: you know, I was like, did you call Butler? It
Speaker 1: was our friend Matt Butler, and I was like yeah.
Speaker 1: He didn't answer. He's like, well, just you can send
Speaker 1: him a text message and tell him we're gonna be
Speaker 1: I'm like, what, what is what is that? He's like,
Speaker 1: you can just text him the address we're gonna be.
Speaker 1: I'm like, that's the dumbest thing ever. Why don't I
Speaker 1: just I'll just wait a little bit and I'll call him,
Speaker 1: Like why would you? I couldn't. I couldn't at the
Speaker 1: time my wrap my head around the fact that why
Speaker 1: wouldn't you? Why would you sit there and text a
Speaker 1: message when you can just call somebody and have a
Speaker 1: conversation about and and to this day, there's a time
Speaker 1: and a place for text messaging, right, but there's a
Speaker 1: time and a place for an actual phone call, and
Speaker 1: less and less people want to get on the phone
Speaker 1: and talk about something and peopext back and forth. Twenty seven.
Speaker 1: I hate it two thoughts. I hate group texts. I
Speaker 1: hate I hate him. I held off for the longest
Speaker 1: time on participating in them, on sending them, and and
Speaker 1: then you know, I this group, like my wife is
Speaker 1: just in a million and like in like this group
Speaker 1: or our friends in Wyoming, and like we got we
Speaker 1: got a group text for our pick of the week pool,
Speaker 1: we got a group text for our you know couple,
Speaker 1: the couples that are friends, and we got a group
Speaker 1: text for you know whatever. There's another another big one
Speaker 1: off of our baseball team and another baseball team, and
Speaker 1: it's just like you know, and there's times and I'll
Speaker 1: when I was like yesterday, all the group text was
Speaker 1: going because of sledding. You know, the kids were out.
Speaker 1: I get out, I get out of here radio, and
Speaker 1: I've got twenty seven text messages. It's all from this
Speaker 1: one group. I don't go back and read all those. No,
Speaker 1: I just don't. No, No, there's that one. And the
Speaker 1: other thing that bugs me is when people want to
Speaker 1: want to like, you know, make big decisions or you know,
Speaker 1: want to talk a you know, some major thing that
Speaker 1: it's like, dude, it would be much faster to pick
Speaker 1: the phone up here and talk back and forth.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 1: I agree. I couldn't agree more. But you also hear
Speaker 1: like you know, a certain generation they just let us
Speaker 1: make major decisions over like hey, I'm breaking up with
Speaker 1: you like, oh yeah, come on, that's the fault of
Speaker 1: text message is allowed a like a non like you know,
Speaker 1: human human contact conversation. So it's you know, there's it
Speaker 1: doesn't it's not as hard. Yeah, it's harder if you
Speaker 1: got to tell I used to. I say this all
Speaker 1: the time too when I had my training business. You know,
Speaker 1: at the time, kids would text like five minutes before
Speaker 1: their workout was supposed to start, like I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: make it like no, no, no, yeah, you if you're going
Speaker 1: to cancel a workout, you must call me and go
Speaker 1: through the one hundred and twenty seconds of uncomfortableness and
Speaker 1: me kind of you know, getting on you about canceling
Speaker 1: my workout that and go that late. But yeah, it's yeah,
Speaker 1: they just do it because it's just it's it's kind
Speaker 1: of an easier thing to do. But I sent you
Speaker 1: a text about that, coach.
Speaker 2: Oh god.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Now that is the world we live in, where
Speaker 1: I sent you a text or you didn't get the email. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you didn't get the email. Yeah, I mean between texts
Speaker 1: and emails, I went with the average amount of of
Speaker 1: those sort of messages I get, or the average person
Speaker 1: gets in a day because it's it's a hundreds hundreds.
Speaker 1: I just wish you would all go into one inbox
Speaker 1: and I could just see it all. I'd see my text.
Speaker 1: But the problem is with emails. It's like the inquire
Speaker 1: I get so and you it's same probably here for
Speaker 1: you at iHeart. There is so much junk mail that
Speaker 1: comes in there and muddies the waters and pushes good
Speaker 1: emails down if you end up missing it. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: know my work email here, I I because I'll get
Speaker 1: eighty junk emails or pitches or something. They're all junk.
Speaker 1: And then you missed you missed your email a day
Speaker 1: or two, and then it's like, did you get my email?
Speaker 1: No I didn't. Oh wait, let me go back and look.
Speaker 1: Oh there it is like but it's three three hundred
Speaker 1: and fifty emails down right, you know. And I'm not
Speaker 1: I'm not joking. It's just like, uh, and then you're right.
Speaker 1: It's funny you mentioned about the Facebook messenger somehow last
Speaker 1: it was last week. I'm just sitting there watching TV.
Speaker 1: I got Facebook up, so I just like I never
Speaker 1: check Facebook men, So I go down the rabbit hole
Speaker 1: of well, I scroll through. I mean, I got messages
Speaker 1: from people I hadn't heard from forever sending me hey
Speaker 1: I saw your column, like yeah, you know, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: oh man, I'm bummed out I didn't respect message. I'm like, like,
Speaker 1: I don't. Too many I got. I got text messages.
Speaker 1: I got an email, a personal email, a professional email. Heck,
Speaker 1: I've got an email here at iHeart is like percent
Speaker 1: of them or I'll just be asked. Your day could
Speaker 1: go on perfectly fine without them. But I got another
Speaker 1: rule to where if you send me an email and
Speaker 1: it's over three lines, I'm not reading it. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: just just not like so like, yeah, send me, Hey,
Speaker 1: let's let's talk about this, okay, and then then it's important.
Speaker 1: But if it's like some or a text message, that's
Speaker 1: that due. My mom is the worst. That's sending email
Speaker 1: linked text messages. It's a it's a running it's a
Speaker 1: running joke in our family. It was so funny.
Speaker 2: We've got a couple of calls.
Speaker 1: This is great. Here, let's go to a Greg way
Speaker 1: way down in Critin and Greg fire away.
Speaker 10: What do you.
Speaker 1: Got, Rocky?
Speaker 5: You were talking about remembering a roadary phone and I
Speaker 5: had a recent conversation with some gim Z relatives and
Speaker 5: if they knew what.
Speaker 1: A party line was.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, the eight people that could be on the
Speaker 5: phone at once and you'd have to wait to use
Speaker 5: the phone, then come.
Speaker 1: Out of semi private line was only.
Speaker 5: Two people, and then it come out you could actually
Speaker 5: get a private line. But yeah, they were just laughing
Speaker 5: and they couldn't believe it.
Speaker 2: That that was a little before me.
Speaker 1: But I remember, like, you know, my my mom and
Speaker 1: dad talking about that were yeah, because like the neighborhood
Speaker 1: ladies would kind of listening on the line, they could
Speaker 1: hear the conversations right between you and the other neighbor lady. Right, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: I remember the phone. Yeah yeah, I'm telling my mom
Speaker 1: and his friend to get off the phone and he
Speaker 1: need to cut the damn tell.
Speaker 2: Us that's it, Greg, Thank you, buddy, appreciate it.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, thank you to your point about busy signal,
Speaker 1: and I mean that was the thing I remember call
Speaker 1: waiting and it was like I feel like it was
Speaker 1: less than five dollars a month to get as my
Speaker 1: dad my parents refused to get can we get it?
Speaker 1: And he said absolutely not. I said I'll pay for it,
Speaker 1: absolutely not. Not doing it, but yeah, in high school,
Speaker 1: you call it called my girlfriend's busy, and it's like
Speaker 1: and then he finally like, oh yeah, my mom was
Speaker 1: on the phone.
Speaker 11: Right.
Speaker 1: Yeah. God, it's just so so much harder and easier
Speaker 1: back then.
Speaker 2: Uh, let's go to Mason. Talk to Brett, Brett fire Away.
Speaker 8: What do you got, hey, Rocky, Hey, I used to
Speaker 8: work for a paging company called Arch and that's when
Speaker 8: the that was just when the uh you know, the
Speaker 8: big displays of the two fifty six characters or wherever
Speaker 8: it came out. So there was a there was a
Speaker 8: monitoring system, there was a this was like this giant computer,
Speaker 8: but it had a tiny screen on it. It was maybe
Speaker 8: double the size of the ones on the pager, right,
Speaker 8: And we would this was way back when it all started,
Speaker 8: so those things would flow through there, but there weren't
Speaker 8: that many people in there, so we'd go get lunch,
Speaker 8: go get chairs, sit there and watch guys cheating on
Speaker 8: their whys, guys making drug deals.
Speaker 4: All kinds of insanity.
Speaker 8: Movie just like read it and sit there and eat
Speaker 8: lunch and be entertained all the time. Because as the
Speaker 8: pages were new, everybody was using and stuff.
Speaker 1: That's great and Brett fag you buy that's funny. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I remember a couple of buddies in high school text
Speaker 1: message and the thing you would always because you would,
Speaker 1: you'd call it and it would say the number that
Speaker 1: it would and then but everybody had their would use
Speaker 1: like their football number to.
Speaker 2: Say who it was.
Speaker 1: So I was twenty five and then if you want
Speaker 1: to if it was, you put nine to one one
Speaker 1: after it. That was like, oh, you gotta call me
Speaker 1: right now. I mean that kids, This was how it
Speaker 1: went back in the day. So I got to say,
Speaker 1: we're way late for a break. Let's check some trafficking weather.
Speaker 1: How are we looking at that? I just texted it
Speaker 1: to you.
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Speaker 1: I often talk about AI. You and I when you're
Speaker 1: filling in talk about AI at all? Yeah, about it
Speaker 1: because it is a big thing. I think a lot
Speaker 1: of people are scared of it and they wonder is
Speaker 1: it going to replace them? Because you do see it
Speaker 1: replacing some jobs out there, and seemingly, ever increasingly more
Speaker 1: and more tasks that it can do better than any human.
Speaker 1: And you see a lot of the industry is now
Speaker 1: using AI and chat GPT to do kind of small tasks,
Speaker 1: now mid size tasks. And I mean you're talking about
Speaker 1: going up against something that you know knows everything right.
Speaker 1: It is a database of all the written material about
Speaker 1: whatever subject matter is out there, and they can process
Speaker 1: it and flip it up in a matter of seconds.
Speaker 2: So it's hard to compete with.
Speaker 1: So but again you see it use more and more
Speaker 1: different places now from what I'm reading, Jason, it's being
Speaker 1: used to help choose Christmas gifts. Yes, we can't even
Speaker 1: choose our own Christmas gifts anymore. Join us right now
Speaker 1: to discuss such thing as Lisa W. Millers. She is
Speaker 1: a researcher and author. Lisa, Welcome to the program. How
Speaker 1: are you good?
Speaker 6: Thanks for having me back?
Speaker 1: Very good. Yeah, So I guess I mean is this
Speaker 1: I imagine a kind of a newer thing now. But
Speaker 1: what specifically are are people doing in terms of using
Speaker 1: AI for their Christmas gift selection?
Speaker 6: Well, I just got a survey back at about a thousand consumers,
Speaker 6: and basically the consumers are saying, yes, you nailed it.
Speaker 6: They are using AI to help find the perfect gift,
Speaker 6: and it's just gifts in general. But the other thing
Speaker 6: is it's more personalized gifts. But the interesting big insight
Speaker 6: was when I look at it, like this year versus
Speaker 6: last year, what consumers are doing a lot less with
Speaker 6: AI is trying to find the best deal. So because
Speaker 6: if you think about it, if you get all those
Speaker 6: links and chat tobt or any of the other AI platforms,
Speaker 6: you click on the link and the price is different
Speaker 6: or it's out of stock, and so it's actually being
Speaker 6: less reliable for the deals and the best prices. But
Speaker 6: when it comes to finding the right gift that's really personalized,
Speaker 6: consumers are all in.
Speaker 1: So I guess for an example, like someone's like, okay,
Speaker 1: am I mother in law. I don't know what to
Speaker 1: get her. So you go, okay, my mother in law
Speaker 1: is you know, sixty years old. She lives in the Midwest.
Speaker 1: She likes horses. Boom. You just plug all these things
Speaker 1: in and it spits you out what they think is
Speaker 1: a good gift. Is that how it works?
Speaker 6: Yeah, exactly, and so yeah, So imagine a child, a parent,
Speaker 6: a coworker. If you can just put in a few
Speaker 6: think of it like creating a little persona like this
Speaker 6: person loves the outdoors. This person loves you know, different
Speaker 6: colors or bright colors or more black and white colors,
Speaker 6: you know, for clothing. And so you put in all
Speaker 6: these little descriptions like a little narrative. And the interesting
Speaker 6: thing is it's kind of the way our brains work anyway,
Speaker 6: is that you know, we know the people were buying
Speaker 6: gifts for. But sometimes it's just hard. Websites today they're
Speaker 6: very very practical. You have to say, oh, I want
Speaker 6: an appliance or I need a gadget. So today it's
Speaker 6: actually it's interesting you can create I think you can
Speaker 6: create a pretty personalized gift.
Speaker 1: Lisa. Do you even in some cases do you even
Speaker 1: have to put even that much information and say, if
Speaker 1: you know, I'm you know, I'm constantly searching for baseball
Speaker 1: equipment for my son's baseball apparel equipment, Like I am
Speaker 1: looking for a gift, you know, I just if I
Speaker 1: went into you know, one of the AI software and said,
Speaker 1: what's a good gift for my son? Could it even
Speaker 1: pull some of my search history or algorithms and see like,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, here's a baseball one on one T shirt
Speaker 1: that he would.
Speaker 6: Want or something well that I think that is like
Speaker 6: the probably billion trillion dollar question right now, because right
Speaker 6: now it is based on it's based on more of
Speaker 6: what you're prompting it with. You know, what I think
Speaker 6: is so funny in today's world is our language has
Speaker 6: actually even changed due to AI. So instead of saying,
Speaker 6: let's pop in a question, we say what's the right
Speaker 6: prompt you know, and so the language of how we
Speaker 6: even talk about it's interesting. But to answer is that
Speaker 6: those integrations now, if it's in a chat, like if
Speaker 6: you're in one of the chat modes, it would go
Speaker 6: a little bit about about that, but relative to all
Speaker 6: of your browsing history and all that, that's not really
Speaker 6: a part of how it's working today. So for your son,
Speaker 6: you would have to put in he likes baseball, he's
Speaker 6: ten years old. I live, you know, in where you live,
Speaker 6: and so those are the things that will just provide
Speaker 6: better answers, because otherwise you'll get super generic and that
Speaker 6: may just be frustrating not helpful.
Speaker 2: Lisa W.
Speaker 1: Miller's Our Guests. He's a researcher and author us. He
Speaker 1: writes and discuss a lot about AI. So I'm confused,
Speaker 1: Lisa on how do the producers of these products?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 1: The companies, how are they reacting if they know that
Speaker 1: people are using AI to select Christmas gifts? What in
Speaker 1: turn are they doe to make you buy more of
Speaker 1: their stuff?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 6: And that again is the billion dollar question. And so
Speaker 6: recently Walmart actually is partnering with open Ai and they created,
Speaker 6: of course a little sparky which is their icon, the
Speaker 6: little yellow star icon, little button there, and that will
Speaker 6: help you tie your AI chats to Walmart. But so
Speaker 6: today the retailers they are kind of all, I don't say,
Speaker 6: up in arms, but the retailers today are definitely a
Speaker 6: little concerned and worried about it. Because it used to
Speaker 6: be Google search companies would pay to say, hey, if
Speaker 6: you type in a coffee maker, you know, I want,
Speaker 6: you know, williams Noma to come up, So I'm going
Speaker 6: to pay Google to put Williams Noma's coffee maker at
Speaker 6: the top or the cured coffee maker at the top,
Speaker 6: and marketers paid for that. Well, that model doesn't exist
Speaker 6: in chat GPT, at least not yet, and hopefully you
Speaker 6: know that will be a whole different thing. But so
Speaker 6: those searches are really in open AI, are not sponsored,
Speaker 6: and so that's a really refreshing thing for consumers. But
Speaker 6: the retailers and product manufacturers are absolutely trying to say,
Speaker 6: how do I get selected first?
Speaker 1: Well, along those same lines too, isn't Walmart and Target
Speaker 1: both working on partnering with some AI organizations?
Speaker 6: They are, Yeah, they are, And so what's happening is
Speaker 6: Walmart will create it's an algorithm through open AI, and
Speaker 6: then Target will create their algorithm through open AI. But
Speaker 6: they're going to be different. So it would just be
Speaker 6: like me putting in my chat versus you putting in
Speaker 6: your chat. What it fits out is going to be
Speaker 6: different because what I put the questions I put in
Speaker 6: are going to be different.
Speaker 1: So they say, here's the million dollar question, and I
Speaker 1: guess maybe it's a two points. It really delves into
Speaker 1: do people want a gift that they like or is
Speaker 1: it the thought that counts. Do people would they rather
Speaker 1: get a gift that their loved one or friend sat
Speaker 1: down and thought and thought about them, and thought about
Speaker 1: their relationship and thought about what they really want as
Speaker 1: a gift, or that person just plugged in the chat
Speaker 1: GBT and got them a gift.
Speaker 2: What what do people say is they would rather have?
Speaker 6: Well, it's so's that's a great question. I The short
Speaker 6: answer is, in today's world, and I think this is
Speaker 6: a big insight, people are prioritizing the right gift over
Speaker 6: the cheapest gift because everybody's talking about, yes, the economy
Speaker 6: is not doing well, but it's not about just finding
Speaker 6: the best deal or the best lowest price. You want
Speaker 6: to have a gift that they're that person's going to like.
Speaker 6: So that's point one. But to answer your question more directly,
Speaker 6: it's it there's no universal answer. One of the other
Speaker 6: projects I can't wait to share with you guys, I'm
Speaker 6: working on this idea of people are like embarrassed to
Speaker 6: say that they're using chat ChiPT. Not everybody, but there's
Speaker 6: a group of people that are like, oh man, I
Speaker 6: don't want anybody to know. I feel like I'm breaking
Speaker 6: some code, moral code, that I'm you know, using chat
Speaker 6: GPT to help with this, but that's not everybody, and
Speaker 6: so they're they're definitely people that are like, Wow, this
Speaker 6: is awesome, this thoughtful gift is better than I could
Speaker 6: have ever come up with on my own, and that
Speaker 6: so some people believe that, but then others are very
Speaker 6: much like, oh, they're kind of just you know, sneaking
Speaker 6: away in a closet and just like, okay, chat GPT
Speaker 6: helped me, but they don't want anybody to know they
Speaker 6: use chat GPT. So we're in this really weird inflection
Speaker 6: point about how people feel, how it reflects on yourself
Speaker 6: if people find out that they use CHATCHI people.
Speaker 1: You've been doing We've been googling that stuff, I mean,
Speaker 1: is it not really the concept doesn't any I mean
Speaker 1: I've googled like birthday gift ideas from my wife before,
Speaker 1: like anniversary gifts. I feel like this is a like
Speaker 1: a step too far that I feel I can see
Speaker 1: how thoughtful you got me this get you didn't think
Speaker 1: of it. The machine thought of it, right, And it's
Speaker 1: a good point.
Speaker 6: Here's the thing, but it's a great question. Is this
Speaker 6: is the debate about a I love it. This is
Speaker 6: a debate about AI right now, because we all have
Speaker 6: been using Google search exactly what you just said, I
Speaker 6: need help with a birthday gift, right, and it's given
Speaker 6: us choices. But but now we can actually get a
Speaker 6: better answer by providing more information. So whoever's gave the
Speaker 6: gift actually might like it better, but somehow we feel
Speaker 6: worse about it. It's just an interesting psychology. I can't
Speaker 6: wait to keep tracking it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is.
Speaker 1: It's certainly a very interesting just thought exercise of I
Speaker 1: just wonder in the future, will we be as humans
Speaker 1: be able to do anything without help. I just to
Speaker 1: be able to process a thought and do critical thinking
Speaker 1: and justify the plus minuses and make a selection, or
Speaker 1: are we gonna need help all the time. But that's
Speaker 1: for another yea, Yeah.
Speaker 6: No, I was just gonna say I actually have data
Speaker 6: on that, because there are people that actually are believing
Speaker 6: that AI is helping them be more creative and more
Speaker 6: have better critical thinking, because it's like a thought partner.
Speaker 6: But again, on the other side, there are people that
Speaker 6: are saying, wow, I just did not thinking anymore. So
Speaker 6: I think it's we as humans have to control how
Speaker 6: we're using it. If we just spit something in there
Speaker 6: and copy paste it and put it someplace, you know,
Speaker 6: like in an email, then no, I think that's going
Speaker 6: to make us all dumber. But if we use it
Speaker 6: as a more you know, asking questions and thinking more
Speaker 6: about it, then that's a different outcome. So the jury
Speaker 6: is still out for sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I just worry that people are going to take
Speaker 1: the easy route. What gets this done quicker so I
Speaker 1: can get back to scroll on Instagram. I just I
Speaker 1: feel like that's that's what's a danger here. But Lisa,
Speaker 1: we got to run. But really appreciate your time on this.
Speaker 1: If folks want to find out more about you and
Speaker 1: what you do, where can they go? What can they do?
Speaker 6: Yes, you can just look up Lisa W. Miller and
Speaker 6: then you can use the hashtag journey back to joy
Speaker 6: and they'll find all my content.
Speaker 1: All right, I'll type that in chat GBT. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm just kidding, Lisa. But we appreciate your time and
Speaker 1: maybe we'll do it again. Thank you, Thanks Lisa, Thank
Speaker 1: you Bye. It is interesting, right, because that's what I was. Oh, no,
Speaker 1: just enhances my ability to do work? Is enhances?
Speaker 2: Or is it kind of doing it for you? It
Speaker 2: seems to me like.
Speaker 1: You make a great point about Yeah, like we we've
Speaker 1: all typed stuff into Google and and and all that.
Speaker 1: But I just feel like this is the next step
Speaker 1: of removing ourselves from the whole process even more. I
Speaker 1: think there's more bad than good with AI. I think so.
Speaker 1: But I'm I'm kind of I'm old school. I'm kind
Speaker 1: of old schooler. Yeah exactly. I just wonder, I do
Speaker 1: I wonder do we get to the point where can
Speaker 1: we do anything? Can we problem solved? Can we even
Speaker 1: have an even just a general opinion about something without
Speaker 1: typing it in your your device, Because I mean, the
Speaker 1: mind is like any It's not a muscle, but it's
Speaker 1: like a muscle, and that it needs to be exercised.
Speaker 1: And if you're constantly not doing critical thinking an exercise
Speaker 1: in your mind, you lose the ability to do that.
Speaker 1: And then it's like somebody says, hey, rock, what do
Speaker 1: you think about this?
Speaker 7: Right?
Speaker 1: Well, I don't know, and everyone just kind of like
Speaker 1: reaches for their phone and goes, well, I'll type it
Speaker 1: in and see what it says. That's no fun, that's
Speaker 1: no good week week all.
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Speaker 1: We have the head coach of the Miami Redhax, Chuck Martin. Okay,
Speaker 1: it's heading to his third straight MAC title game. A
Speaker 1: crazy season. I don't have him, you know, talk about
Speaker 1: all the ins and outs of it. But as seasons
Speaker 1: are hard enough dealing with, you know, the ups and
Speaker 1: the downs, and the injuries and all this and that,
Speaker 1: but a few other things having to pop up with
Speaker 1: this program this year.
Speaker 2: And in spite of all that, the RedHawks.
Speaker 1: Are going to the underrated Martin man. That guy is
Speaker 1: just very a steady hand there at Miami. Yes, and
Speaker 1: uh so, yeah, we're gonna talk to him, not just
Speaker 1: about his team, but also some of the bigger issues
Speaker 1: of college football right now, which brings us to our topic.
Speaker 2: Now I'd like to discuss with you.
Speaker 1: Yes, you know, because the new the new playoff rankings
Speaker 1: came out last night, right, Yeah, so, and I'm pulling
Speaker 1: them up as we as we speak here. I I
Speaker 1: get here's my my main thing I want to say
Speaker 1: on it. Like usually when you get to the end
Speaker 1: of something, that's when it gets That's when I'm supposed
Speaker 1: to get really exciting, and the payoff is supposed to
Speaker 1: be huge and it's supposed to be dialed in, right,
Speaker 1: I feel like we're we we had all a great
Speaker 1: college football season, and it's like, right at the end
Speaker 1: when it's supposed to be fun and everyone's into and
Speaker 1: everyone understands what's going on, there's so much ambiguity and
Speaker 1: craziness between the coaches leaving and and you know, and
Speaker 1: and players opting now and then with the whole CFP,
Speaker 1: it's it's so hard to understand. And I'm this is
Speaker 1: my job to understand the college football playoffs and all
Speaker 1: the things they look at, and even I can't understand
Speaker 1: and justify some of the rankings of these teams. I mean,
Speaker 1: point a in the ACC title game, Okay, a seven
Speaker 1: and five duke team is going to play a ten
Speaker 1: and two Virginia team, a seven and five team, and
Speaker 1: none of that. Neither of those will will make the
Speaker 1: playoff even they win, even if they win, so but
Speaker 1: Miami is likely going to get I just feel like, again,
Speaker 1: it's so convoluted and confusing. Is so was supposed to
Speaker 1: be exciting, and it's like everyone's like, what huh, what's
Speaker 1: going on with this, and then you throw on top
Speaker 1: of that, you're irish getting bumped down a spot after
Speaker 1: a twenty eight point win. They get bumped down to
Speaker 1: from nine to ten. Basically them in Alabama get flip flopped.
Speaker 1: Alabama basically had to go forward and fourth and yeah,
Speaker 1: so you make that one makes sense. I know a
Speaker 1: lot of I know a lot of folks on social
Speaker 1: media were ticked about that one, and rightfully so. I
Speaker 1: mean notre dame with them, really, I think a much.
Speaker 1: They have a much better resume in terms of the
Speaker 1: teams they've beaten and what they've beaten them by Alabama
Speaker 1: squeaking by what Auburn they squeak by. I don't have
Speaker 1: their schedule. There's a couple other teams that you would
Speaker 1: think they would have beaten handily that they just barely beat. So,
Speaker 1: you know, a lot of a lot of buzz about
Speaker 1: a SEC bias and the whole thing is just it.
Speaker 1: I don't find it to be. I mean, yeah, if
Speaker 1: you were a fan of a handful of teams, but
Speaker 1: unlike basketball, like you know you are not, it's not
Speaker 1: the incentive is not there to think like, oh, my
Speaker 1: team's got a shot to make the tournament. Now, Now,
Speaker 1: you know, if you're a fan of a really good
Speaker 1: mid major basketball program, you're not gonna win the national championship.
Speaker 1: But I know my team's got a shot to make
Speaker 1: the tournament. I know my team's got a shot to
Speaker 1: maybe win a game, maybe even get too sweet sixteen.
Speaker 1: That's not football like we like. It really ticks, especially
Speaker 1: as a fan of lifelong fan of Marshall Thundering Herd.
Speaker 1: Like the little guy is rewarded in so many sports,
Speaker 1: or is really championed. The underdog is championed in so
Speaker 1: many except for college football. Yes, and it's it's so frustrating,
Speaker 1: so fruv it's champion on the on the basketball side,
Speaker 1: at least on college basketball side. Now you can argue, like,
Speaker 1: you know, the underdog is not really champion in Major
Speaker 1: League Baseball, right, you know, it's the Dodgers and the
Speaker 1: Yankees and they're Blue Jet, you know, all the big
Speaker 1: money teams, and then the Reds and the Pirates are
Speaker 1: all kind of like, eh, whatever, you don't you're you know,
Speaker 1: you you're you're left out in the cold because there's
Speaker 1: no salary cap, right, But I don't know, man, it
Speaker 1: just I feel like part of the beauty of college
Speaker 1: sports has always been the the underdog aspect of it.
Speaker 1: And like that the underdog is completely and I don't know,
Speaker 1: I'm not just talking about even like group of five
Speaker 1: types of teams. I'm talking about even really a great
Speaker 1: majority of the power for types of teams are are
Speaker 1: really kind of cut out of this as well. They are.
Speaker 1: But you know, I will play devil's advocate for that because,
Speaker 1: especially in this scenario, one of the because a group
Speaker 1: of five team is guaranteed to get in under this
Speaker 1: under the new rules and regulations of it, correct, which
Speaker 1: is going to be this year, what likely a possibly
Speaker 1: what Tulane Tulane is right now Texas Currently Tulane is
Speaker 1: the highest ranked group of five team. They are in
Speaker 1: there at number twenty at ten. And so my devil's
Speaker 1: advergate argument to your argument about and I understand what
Speaker 1: you're saying about having the a G five team in
Speaker 1: is Notre Dame is likely going to get left out
Speaker 1: of this playoff, but.
Speaker 2: Tulane gets in. I don't disagree with that.
Speaker 1: Got you got a Notre Dame team, that's that's you know,
Speaker 1: gone ten and two. Their first two losses were the
Speaker 1: first two losses of the season. You know, new line,
Speaker 1: brand new quarterback, you know, and he lost to a
Speaker 1: Miami team by and he lost to Texas A and
Speaker 1: M by one point. I agree, And you don't go
Speaker 1: to the playoff because because we got to get we
Speaker 1: gotta finally get Tulane in s Yeah. See, And I
Speaker 1: don't in the way the format is currently, I don't
Speaker 1: disagree with that so much. But I think this is
Speaker 1: a year where you could I think a year like
Speaker 1: this makes the argument for expanding even beyond me. This
Speaker 1: is this the first year for twelve teams, second the
Speaker 1: second year, okay, yeah, And I think this is the
Speaker 1: year where you can make the argument for expanding to
Speaker 1: sixteen because there's gonna be a lot of good teams
Speaker 1: left out of this.
Speaker 2: I understand what you're saying.
Speaker 1: But then the arguments we're gonna have the same argument.
Speaker 2: It's going to be about the seventeenth and eighteen nineteen teams.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 1: I just feel like we got to get to we've
Speaker 1: got to get the committee out of this. So there's
Speaker 1: got to get a way to get the committee because
Speaker 1: they're so inconsistent on what they value in some rankings,
Speaker 1: they value eye tests. In other words, how does this
Speaker 1: team look and in a theoretical match, who would win
Speaker 1: if it won by eye test?
Speaker 2: Notre Dame passes the test.
Speaker 1: But head to head and I understand this argument, it's
Speaker 1: hard hard to battle that argument. When Miami beat Notre Dame,
Speaker 1: it's hard to say Notre Dame should go in the
Speaker 1: playoff over Miami. I get that, but there's there's so
Speaker 1: much inconsistency from week to week, year to year on
Speaker 1: what the committee values.
Speaker 2: That's what I don't like.
Speaker 1: Well exactly, now you've gotten me thinking, because then that
Speaker 1: that leads to there is no uniformity on the non
Speaker 1: conference schedule, right, so schools can you know, like what
Speaker 1: is the incentive? Like what Ohio State place Texas? You know, So,
Speaker 1: like they go out and they schedule a big team.
Speaker 1: Obviously Notre Dame is an independent, They're going to schedule
Speaker 1: a lot of heavyweights. But then there's some of these
Speaker 1: other teams like that they don't schedule anyone, they don't
Speaker 1: schedule any power conferences in their non conference and it's
Speaker 1: just like Indiana, great example. But it's like so then
Speaker 1: and again this is this goes to the bigger bigger
Speaker 1: picture of there is no governing body here, there is
Speaker 1: no commissioner, there is no set of rules, and you
Speaker 1: can get down the rabbit hole of you know, there's
Speaker 1: no salary cap, there's no like who's paying billion dollar
Speaker 1: industry that has volunteers that that run it, that's to come.
Speaker 2: It's crazy now. And to your point right there about.
Speaker 1: Texas, because yeah, you and Steve Sarkisian if you heard
Speaker 1: him talk, who's the head coach of Texas?
Speaker 2: He paid that point, which is, hey, yeah.
Speaker 1: We're nine and three, yep, but one of our losses
Speaker 1: in the first game of the season was the Ohio State,
Speaker 1: the number one team in the nation right now, and
Speaker 1: he said, and I agree with him. Had we scheduled
Speaker 1: Old Dominion week one and beat the hell out of
Speaker 1: him and we're sitting here at ten and two instead
Speaker 1: of nine and three, we would be in the playoff now.
Speaker 1: I would also say, if you're him, you know they
Speaker 1: got beat by Georgia by twenty five points. They lost
Speaker 1: to an eight lost Florida team. That's that's the part
Speaker 1: that doesn't really job with his argument. They needed overtime
Speaker 1: to beat UK. But yeah, you can have a situation
Speaker 1: where teams are are not are trying to schedule cupcake
Speaker 1: games instead of these great early season at of conference games.
Speaker 1: A Fanwood doesn't want that exactly. You go to Old
Speaker 1: miss Ole Misses another example there. Their non conference schedule
Speaker 1: was Georgia State, which I believe won one game this season,
Speaker 1: yes two lane, which really is this year. They were
Speaker 1: more like a power conference team. That's a solid I mean,
Speaker 1: but you don't know when you schedule that, and certainly
Speaker 1: the perception of it. Washington State, which is no longer
Speaker 1: a power conference team, and the citadel An FCS team
Speaker 1: that was there for non conference games, and and so
Speaker 1: like there being there being no rules in college football
Speaker 1: of you saying, hey that your your your schedule hat
Speaker 1: you are required to schedule one power conference team, one
Speaker 1: Group of five team, and one uh, you know FCS team.
Speaker 1: I don't know, like there's no there's just there's no
Speaker 1: uniformity to any of this stuff. There there's no like
Speaker 1: the you know, the unlimited amounts of transfer, you know,
Speaker 1: like and in any like now everyone's afraid like they're
Speaker 1: gonna get sued. Like it's there needs to be rules
Speaker 1: put in. I saw where I was a chip Roy
Speaker 1: is he the congressman? Is he from Texas? He was?
Speaker 1: He waxed poetic about it on the floor or in
Speaker 1: a committee meeting, I believe that was today or yesterday,
Speaker 1: just railing on some of the things you and I
Speaker 1: are railing on here. Yeah, and I well, I'm sitting
Speaker 1: there watching it. I'm like, you know what, Yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: not typically in favor of government stepping in on a
Speaker 1: lot of things, and especially on sports or something like this.
Speaker 1: But it might have to take an Act of Congress
Speaker 1: to fix this. And that's sad to say. And then
Speaker 1: that goes back to what I was saying yesterday, is
Speaker 1: there's there's there's Yeah, there's not that one singular head
Speaker 1: governing body watching out for every conference equally because all
Speaker 1: the separate conferences. Greg Sank, for example, who runs the
Speaker 1: Commissioner of the SEC, he only cares about the SEC.
Speaker 1: Give it damn what happens the Ohio State and Penn
Speaker 1: State and all that stuff.
Speaker 2: Because yeah, so there needs to be that, but that would.
Speaker 1: Require giving up some and the folks that run the
Speaker 1: big ten, the folks run the SEC, don't want to
Speaker 1: do that. But but you know, to our previous point
Speaker 1: about the the we should want good non conference games, right,
Speaker 1: especially at the beginning of the year. Right, and then
Speaker 1: Sarkisian's point as well, we're kind of being penalized for
Speaker 1: losing a you know, a game against the number one
Speaker 1: team in the nation.
Speaker 2: What's our instentive the schedule is games? Well, here you go.
Speaker 1: Today Alabama announced that it has agreed to move their
Speaker 1: previously scheduled twenty twenty six matchup versus USF okay South
Speaker 1: pretty good. Yeah, then at the beginning of twenty twenty seven.
Speaker 1: But so they're going to replace USF, which is a
Speaker 1: group of five but still good team I think Chattanooga.
Speaker 1: There you go. So, so they're saying, well, we're not
Speaker 1: going to get any credit for playing USF, So why
Speaker 1: why let's remove any chance at all that we could
Speaker 1: lose that game or not win by enough. And know
Speaker 1: so where would where would Texas be? Let's say, if
Speaker 1: Texas had had played, uh it scheduled I don't know,
Speaker 1: Georgia State instead of Ohio State, they'd be ten and
Speaker 1: two right now, right they their non conference was Ohio State,
Speaker 1: San Jose State, UTEP, and Sam Houston. So you know,
Speaker 1: I don't know this whole thing is just it's it's
Speaker 1: very frustrating. And again it's yeah, if you're sitting there
Speaker 1: as an Ohio State or Indiana fan right now, or
Speaker 1: you know, you're like this is this, You're not frustrated
Speaker 1: nor should you be right, but you know, for the
Speaker 1: greater good of there might be years when when you
Speaker 1: are sitting here in Notre Dame seat right now as
Speaker 1: Ohio State or or Indian I mean Indian Indiana. Let's
Speaker 1: I mean they're going to be able to sustain this
Speaker 1: great coach. I don't know, but I mean Ohio State obviously,
Speaker 1: they're going to be in there every year. The team
Speaker 1: that I think is the committee wants to screw and
Speaker 1: they're going to screw them bad if they can. As
Speaker 1: b YU, theyre all eleven and one, Okay, they have
Speaker 1: a two to one record over top twenty five teams,
Speaker 1: and they are ranked behind a ten and two Notre
Speaker 1: Dame team that is one and two.
Speaker 2: Versus the top twenty five.
Speaker 1: And I'm a Notre Dame guy admitting, hey, I would
Speaker 1: admit in front of God and everybody that Notre Dame
Speaker 1: schedule they don't have the quality wins that some of
Speaker 1: these other schools do, and if you're comparing them to BYU,
Speaker 1: you could make a good argument again at b Y
Speaker 1: you sitting there eleven and one, but they're ranked behind
Speaker 1: Notre Dame and they're gonna try to screw them if
Speaker 1: they would. If they don't they get be by Texas
Speaker 1: Tech in the Big Twelve title game, there's no way
Speaker 1: they'll get in that game. And the graad you brought
Speaker 1: them up too, because that's another piece of the schedule.
Speaker 1: The Big Twelve decided we're gonna play nine conference games,
Speaker 1: so they're a nine conference game league, whereas what I
Speaker 1: think is the Big Ten and a nine conference SEC
Speaker 1: is they do four non conference so that allows you
Speaker 1: to get another cupcake versus a conference game. See, there
Speaker 1: aren't not everybody in your conference is great, but would
Speaker 1: you rather you know, be playing West Virginia or uh,
Speaker 1: you know, Chattanooga.
Speaker 2: Well, if it goes to.
Speaker 1: Me, the most consistent thing of the committee as I
Speaker 1: look at it over the last everman year has been
Speaker 1: a few years, is they seem to value wins more
Speaker 1: than get losses. So so it is telling teams that
Speaker 1: is incentivizing them, Hey, don't take that that big risk.
Speaker 1: Texas and schedule Ohio State as much as everybody wants
Speaker 1: you to, because if you lose it, we're gonna hold
Speaker 1: it against you. Instead, go play Sam Houston State and
Speaker 1: blow their doors off and get that win and be
Speaker 1: you know, eleven and one, ten and two, and you
Speaker 1: have a better shot of making them play.
Speaker 2: That's what they're telling people.
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Speaker 1: There is over many elements of college football. One thing
Speaker 1: you can't argue, and that is the dominance of the
Speaker 1: Miami RedHawks over the last few years. They are now
Speaker 1: heading to their third straight MAC title game. They'll face
Speaker 1: Western Michigan here on Saturday. And joining us right now
Speaker 1: is the head coach of that team, A guy I
Speaker 1: think a lot of the one the only Chuck Martin.
Speaker 2: Chuck, how are.
Speaker 4: You doing good at Rockey? How you do it?
Speaker 2: I'm doing good here?
Speaker 1: So it was Look, every season's crazy in its own right.
Speaker 1: So many unbelievable things happened, but this one in particular
Speaker 1: was even more wild, right, Like, you know you had
Speaker 1: to change at quarterback late in the year. Just describe
Speaker 1: some of the things you had to go through and
Speaker 1: keeping this thing on the rails to finish this season off, right.
Speaker 4: Yeah, No, we knew going into this year it was
Speaker 4: gold be crazy. We brought in forty We had twenty
Speaker 4: eight seniors, those guys that been here forever, took us
Speaker 4: to back to back MAC Championship games. Gabett was actually
Speaker 4: our quarterback in nineteen when we won it as a freshman.
Speaker 4: He's still our quarterback in twenty four in the Max
Speaker 4: Championship Game. So we knew it would be changing the ground.
Speaker 4: We knew it could be a lot of just trying
Speaker 4: to figure out. Like I would say, we went to Wisconsin,
Speaker 4: It's not like our kids didn't like each other, but
Speaker 4: we weren't a team yet because like they didn't really
Speaker 4: even know each other. I said, you don't really get
Speaker 4: to know each other until you actually get out there
Speaker 4: and you get some sand kicked in your Facebook. But
Speaker 4: then you find out who's going to have each other's back,
Speaker 4: you know. And we start off oning three and a
Speaker 4: gut wrenching loss to UNLV where we actually played good.
Speaker 4: They're ten and two now and you know, playing for
Speaker 4: a conference title. We had them beat twice three times
Speaker 4: and let it slip away. Then we go on a
Speaker 4: nice little run, but we lose our starting tailback, we
Speaker 4: lost two of our top wideouts, and then you know,
Speaker 4: we have a gut wrenching loss to OU where we
Speaker 4: got to lead with two fifty left and have them
Speaker 4: sacked and get a face mask, and then they win it.
Speaker 4: And then we don't play good against Toledo, which you
Speaker 4: were at, and we have a new quarterback and it
Speaker 4: didn't go well, and now we're left for dead. And then,
Speaker 4: you know, weeks eleven or weeks weeks eleven and twelve,
Speaker 4: we go with a new quarterback, a freshman hasn't played
Speaker 4: all year, hasn't really even taken reps in brashe all year,
Speaker 4: and we have back to back pretty convincing which victories
Speaker 4: and we get in a three way tie and we
Speaker 4: win the tie breaker basically because we beat Western and
Speaker 4: Toledo and oh you didn't beat Western. That's really what
Speaker 4: it comes down to. And we get to go back
Speaker 4: to met championship and again last week the game, Clint,
Speaker 4: you know, we got to beat ball State to get in.
Speaker 4: We know, if we win, we're in. Thomas Kakowski a
Speaker 4: Brail and Im for the first two touchdowns and like
Speaker 4: on your Bingo card, like Thomas Kakowski didn't play a
Speaker 4: snap in his college career until week eleven, and brailn
Speaker 4: Im didn't play a snap until week seven, and he
Speaker 4: was healthy. He just he was a he's a Richard
Speaker 4: freshman wide out down. We like him. But we got
Speaker 4: some good players, and we kept losing players and losing players,
Speaker 4: and next thing, you know, Braylon itms to start wide
Speaker 4: up for us, and I'm like, when he caught a
Speaker 4: second touchdown, we got fourteen son like Kakowski item I
Speaker 4: did not see this one. You know. De Chante Jones
Speaker 4: was our fifth de Chante Jones from Glenville. He's a
Speaker 4: redshirt freshman. He's our fifthteam tailback to start the year.
Speaker 4: He's leading our team in touchdowns. Like you told me,
Speaker 4: just de Chantey Jones gonna lead you in touchdown Me
Speaker 4: like this, I think Jones probably not's gonna play this year.
Speaker 4: We're talking about you know, so we've been through it.
Speaker 4: Credit to the coaching staff, but credit to the kids.
Speaker 4: They just have hung in there, hung in there, hung
Speaker 4: in there, and next thing you know, you look up
Speaker 4: and somehow we're in Detroit and we played in this
Speaker 4: game three years and roll like you said, Rocky, we
Speaker 4: have five players that have played in MAX Championship game.
Speaker 4: That's it. I'm bringing a hard ten kids to Detroit.
Speaker 4: Last year when we played in it, we almost had
Speaker 4: every like I probably had thirty some kids that had
Speaker 4: played in the twenty three games. And then they're back
Speaker 4: in twenty four at least, Like, well, you've got advantage.
Speaker 4: You got all this experience. I go, none of these
Speaker 4: kid's like, there's no one on our offense that's going
Speaker 4: to take a rep that's played in the mac champship game,
Speaker 4: and only five guys in our defense. I've ever wayed.
Speaker 1: That is amazing.
Speaker 4: It's pretty amazing.
Speaker 1: Coach, speaking of my hanging in there, You've done it.
Speaker 1: I mean, you've withstood the test of time and in
Speaker 1: a world where it's like, you know, if you lost
Speaker 1: this game, oh, this guy's on the hot seat. You've
Speaker 1: been in Miami for since twenty fourteen, You've been able
Speaker 1: to sustain success through the just absolute craziness of college football.
Speaker 1: How have you? How have you adjusted to that world
Speaker 1: of transfer? Like how much different is your daily job
Speaker 1: today versus it was even certainly when you first came to.
Speaker 4: Miami, But even five years ago, college football has changed,
Speaker 4: right a million folder. We all know, like it's not
Speaker 4: the job's nothing like it's sept for when you get
Speaker 4: between the lines, you get the coach kids. You know,
Speaker 4: you get coach awesome kids who are trying to figure
Speaker 4: out not only football but life. And so again, we've
Speaker 4: done a good job because we haven't like we don't
Speaker 4: get into the change, Like, here's the rules. We don't
Speaker 4: We're not four, Like, what do you think of anio?
Speaker 4: What do you think of transfer reporter? What do you
Speaker 4: I'm like, we don't think. I ain't that Like that's
Speaker 4: I run a company. I don't make the rules. Government
Speaker 4: makes me, the NCAAMA, whatever makes the rules. We've just said, hey,
Speaker 4: here's where it is. You know. Do you want to
Speaker 4: lose your best players? No? But we're a max school.
Speaker 4: So I can sit here and pout and screen when
Speaker 4: Reggie Virgil makes a million dollars to go to Texas Tech,
Speaker 4: you know, yeah. Or I can be happy for Reggie
Speaker 4: and be happy for my time with Reggie. Like me
Speaker 4: and Reggie had a great three years together. And I
Speaker 4: think he owes me and my staff some because we
Speaker 4: developed them. But I think we owe him some too,
Speaker 4: Like he'll just get to the MAC title game last year,
Speaker 4: you know, and now he's got this a million dollar opportunity.
Speaker 4: I just lost. We had a quarterback admitted forever. I
Speaker 4: just lost them to Michigan seven days ago. I'm not
Speaker 4: supposed to get mad at that kid. He got a
Speaker 4: Michigan offer.
Speaker 2: And keep winning and get the Max, you can't. You
Speaker 2: got to keep going.
Speaker 4: The fans want to get all mad. I'm like, I'm
Speaker 4: kids got a Michigan offer, Like are you for real?
Speaker 4: Like I did like and I'm I'm I like Miami
Speaker 4: and I think a lot of this place, but like,
Speaker 4: I'm not a not an idiot, like and it's Lloyd
Speaker 4: Current's grandson and his dad played there and his mom's
Speaker 4: granddad's a Hall of Famer. But who cares that that
Speaker 4: there was none of those times? Who's taking a Michigan offer?
Speaker 4: Seven to Iel? Well, he's not loyal. You know, he's
Speaker 4: been committed for I'm like.
Speaker 2: I gotch you guys, but these days are.
Speaker 4: Quarterback.
Speaker 1: But well and Chuck, I think two things you're you're
Speaker 1: smart about doing, which is number one, you're not resisting.
Speaker 1: I feel like the coaches that resist and kind of
Speaker 1: piss and moan about the portal, and it's unfair that
Speaker 1: they don't make it because as you said, you don't
Speaker 1: make the rules, but your damnager gotta gotta abide because
Speaker 1: you have no choice. And I think the other part
Speaker 1: is you're at a point where I don't think you
Speaker 1: take it personal. You just say, look, this is kind
Speaker 1: of water off your back. All right, that's fine, this
Speaker 1: guy moves on. We'll go to the next one. And
Speaker 1: rather than waste so much emotion and energy worrying about
Speaker 1: some things you can't control, you don't worry about it,
Speaker 1: and you just move on the next thing.
Speaker 4: And sometimes it's frustrating because your work hard in life
Speaker 4: and you expect some rewards because you work hard. So
Speaker 4: we go back to backch mech title games. You know,
Speaker 4: we've got the best record in the league and blah
Speaker 4: blah blah for a long time, and we put together
Speaker 4: this incredible recruiting class, like it's the best one we've
Speaker 4: ever had, you know, And we lost six guys to
Speaker 4: Power four programs in the last month. Six Now I
Speaker 4: usually lose maybe one, maybe two, Like it's not uncure,
Speaker 4: somebody comes in. I lost six in a month. I
Speaker 4: had twenty four kids committed a month CARSS fined eighteen
Speaker 4: to day. And it was going to be our best
Speaker 4: class ever. We lost two kids to Michigan and four
Speaker 4: other Power five. You know, four of the Power four.
Speaker 4: Is It's like okay, well yeah, because it suck, yeah,
Speaker 4: but like that's the best. I mean, those are legitimate kids.
Speaker 4: We had recruiting. I mean, like the other you're kind
Speaker 4: of proud, like, hey, Michigan's taking your guys. You're probably
Speaker 4: on some pretty good players, you know. Like so again,
Speaker 4: it's just the way it is. And they're like they're
Speaker 4: just they're just poaching your guys. Yeah, well that's yeah,
Speaker 4: it's but if they're poaching Ten States guys, they're not
Speaker 4: poaching of our guys. I'm on the wrong guys here.
Speaker 4: I mean, anybody in the transfer portal. If we don't
Speaker 4: lose anybody the transfer portal to the bigger schools, we
Speaker 4: probably don't have a very good MAC team, right, Yeah,
Speaker 4: that's right. Reality the year I don't lose anybody to
Speaker 4: get you know, like it's bought off my roster, Well,
Speaker 4: I probably have bur good year. I'd rather I've rather
Speaker 4: have really good players that the big boys want. That.
Speaker 4: That's that's more fun for me.
Speaker 1: Coach, what's kept you at Miami? You've had You've had success.
Speaker 1: You're obviously you're in your third Uh you're in your
Speaker 1: third straight MAC title game where you know a lot
Speaker 1: of coaches, uh would would move on and go on
Speaker 1: to a bigger power conference.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 1: Job, You've you've you've stayed there, and you stayed the course.
Speaker 1: What's kept you in Miami one.
Speaker 4: It's a great place. So I've loved every minute here too.
Speaker 4: I'm not somebody that really looks for jobs. Three, to
Speaker 4: be honest, are non league scheduling. I always tell Miami,
Speaker 4: you got me in jail here, Like I'm going to
Speaker 4: be really good in the MAC. I've had the best
Speaker 4: record over the last nine years. We're fifty five and
Speaker 4: twenty one in Mac play since whatever twenty sixteen. But
Speaker 4: we play all these incredible you know, we went big ten,
Speaker 4: big ten UNLV, We've gone big ten, big ten, U
Speaker 4: see for years yep. And my non legal erectords like
Speaker 4: twelve and thirty six. And I honestly, you know, my agent,
Speaker 4: I says, when they start looking for jobs, which is
Speaker 4: about week six, I'm usually about four and four and
Speaker 4: I'm not real sexyet and again it's like I may
Speaker 4: win the MAC this year and I'll be eight and five. Well,
Speaker 4: you know, so, I say, Miami' kind of figure out.
Speaker 4: They make me lose a lot of games early in
Speaker 4: the year, then I win a lot of games late,
Speaker 4: so they're going to keep me around because I'm good
Speaker 4: I'm a good MAC coach, but they they my record
Speaker 4: is not My record is not what it could be
Speaker 4: if we schedule a little better non league. So we're
Speaker 4: working on that though.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean maybe that is their diabolical plan, just
Speaker 1: to to keep it in like a hotel.
Speaker 4: It's like the Hotel California.
Speaker 1: Right, right, Yeah, you can check out, you can never leave,
Speaker 1: right whatever the line is.
Speaker 4: So, like I always tell people, it's a pretty good place, like, yeah,
Speaker 4: you know what, you guys know it like it's a
Speaker 4: wonderful school. We've got these amazing football facilities that we've
Speaker 4: upgrade since we've been here. We can get great kids.
Speaker 4: I've been fortunate. My two coordinators have been here for
Speaker 4: twelve years. Like who no head coach has been anywhere
Speaker 4: for twelve years, but let alone, they've never had a
Speaker 4: coordinator for twelve when you're having success like so, I've
Speaker 4: been very blussed and fortunate to be at Miami.
Speaker 1: Chuck Martner is our guest, the head coach of the
Speaker 1: Miami RedHawks. They're on their way to their third straight
Speaker 1: MAC title game. That'll be this Saturday against Western Michigan
Speaker 1: and Jack Before you let you Go, I would love
Speaker 1: if if you had a comment on the college football
Speaker 1: playoff in general. I commented earlier that you know, it's
Speaker 1: like it's the end of the season, right and you
Speaker 1: know we've it's been such a great season, so many
Speaker 1: great games and matchups. As we get to the end
Speaker 1: and there's it's just like total confusion and you know
Speaker 1: this team should be in, No, that team should be in.
Speaker 1: Do you have any any thoughts when when you look
Speaker 1: at the college football playoff and how things are decided
Speaker 1: that that you would like to see different.
Speaker 4: Now? I always want the best teams. Then I love
Speaker 4: that there's a G five that has access. I don't
Speaker 4: I don't totally get you know, five conference winners like
Speaker 4: I just think you should be trying to get the
Speaker 4: best twelve. I love being a G five program. I
Speaker 4: love that you give a little guy access. You know,
Speaker 4: there's so much cool in March madness because some you
Speaker 4: created something. It's not gonna happen very well, but at
Speaker 4: some point a little school is gonna do it, you know,
Speaker 4: gonna upset that five seed, you know, so I love
Speaker 4: that part. After that, I don't think there should be
Speaker 4: I don't think there should be conference to I just
Speaker 4: think go with the best eleven that year, you know,
Speaker 4: go with the best eleven. Who cares. You don't have
Speaker 4: to take any conference champion, you don't have to take.
Speaker 4: Just try to get the best eleven. The cool thing is,
Speaker 4: what do you take too teams? People going to argue
Speaker 4: between two and three, if you take four, people going
Speaker 4: to argue if you take twelve. The cool thing right
Speaker 4: now is there's tons that's it just makes hollege football better?
Speaker 8: Is it?
Speaker 4: Notre Dame? Is it?
Speaker 15: Miami?
Speaker 4: Is it? Let's be why you get in? Who's who deserved.
Speaker 1: Miami beating like and all?
Speaker 4: That just makes it fun and crazy and the fans
Speaker 4: love it and we love it. And if somebody's always
Speaker 4: going to be the thirteenth team, right there's always gonna
Speaker 4: be a bubble team that doesn't get in and they're
Speaker 4: going to be mad. It doesn't matter if you have
Speaker 4: sixty four teams, the sixty fifth teams match. But I
Speaker 4: just wish they wouldn't have the conference. The conference ties
Speaker 4: don't make sense to me. Just get the best eleven
Speaker 4: and ten, take one of the little you know, reward
Speaker 4: the best you know, g five team and create a
Speaker 4: you know, David Versuskliath and again to me, that's pretty
Speaker 4: cool that try to include us, you know, but then
Speaker 4: just take the best eleven who cares a conference, who cares?
Speaker 4: Who want to league? You don't want to take, you know,
Speaker 4: a team that's got three losses or four losses that
Speaker 4: won a league you don't want. You don't want Duke
Speaker 4: to have an automatic bid or something. You mean, you
Speaker 4: don't want to get into that. I just want to
Speaker 4: get the best eleven teams there and have one heck
Speaker 4: of a tournament.
Speaker 1: Yep, agreed. I think it's well, we all want well, Chuck, listen,
Speaker 1: we got to run. But but really appreciate your time.
Speaker 1: You know, I admire what you do and think you
Speaker 1: do such a great job there. Best luck and go
Speaker 1: capture that championship.
Speaker 4: All right, appreciate it guy, Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, thanks, you got it? Uh get him Chuck Martin,
Speaker 1: head coach of Miami. Yeah, he's uh it is. I
Speaker 1: mean because I talked with him. I when he first
Speaker 1: got that job twelve years ago. I went out there
Speaker 1: and I was just starting my broadcasting career, so I
Speaker 1: wanted to make some contacts and learn from some people.
Speaker 1: And I know he had been at Notre Dame and
Speaker 1: went out and talked with him and it was really
Speaker 1: impressed with his knowledge. And you can hear him talk, right,
Speaker 1: the guy knows what he's discuss and fiery love.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: But again, I I mean, yeah, it is he is
Speaker 1: smart for not trying to resist. If you're a if
Speaker 1: you're a G five coach and you're like complaining all
Speaker 1: the time, I can't believe our players getting stolen here.
Speaker 1: You're what, you won't last, You'll you'll crack suspective to
Speaker 1: be shared. Yeah, Hey, I'm I'm losing. I lost some
Speaker 1: guys to Michigan.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 1: If I'm not losing guys in Michigan, that that's a
Speaker 1: real problem, right. It means we don't have guys that
Speaker 1: nobody wants, right Yeah, I mean it's really a compliment
Speaker 1: to him in an odd way. And it's just that's
Speaker 1: just the world we live in. It's those good of
Speaker 1: players and they're saying, yes, I want to come to
Speaker 1: Miami and then someone you know, a blue blood sweeps
Speaker 1: in and says, oh, we want this guy. Oh okay.
Speaker 1: I've always thought there should be some sort of payment,
Speaker 1: like if you're a you know, a power five power
Speaker 1: four school, and you take a player from say a
Speaker 1: MAX school, and that players and iled, and you're going
Speaker 1: to pay them two hundred and twenty five thousand dollars.
Speaker 1: I think a portion of that money should should go
Speaker 1: to them where at least there's something that they're giving
Speaker 1: up this player, the players, leaving them high and dry here,
Speaker 1: and there should be some sort of compensation for that.
Speaker 1: Put it on. Put on the list of things that
Speaker 1: need to champ mean, that list keeps growing rock so
Speaker 1: many things need to be fixed. That was one more
Speaker 1: of it. Agreed.
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Speaker 1: All rights back with Rocky alongside Jason Williams and Jason.
Speaker 1: This is a story that's been out there a lot today.
Speaker 1: It has a lot to do with those the drug
Speaker 1: boats that the Trump administration is blowing out of the water,
Speaker 1: and some are saying that there was a Columbian fisherman
Speaker 1: on one of these res and then there was maybe
Speaker 1: a second strike that was ordered by Pete Hegseth to
Speaker 1: kill anybody that survived it. With the latest on this,
Speaker 1: we have Royal Oaks from ABC Royal.
Speaker 4: How are you?
Speaker 2: What is the latest?
Speaker 8: Ye know?
Speaker 15: The latest is that there's a complaint being filed with
Speaker 15: the Inter American Commission on Human Rights with the family
Speaker 15: of the fishermen, and they claim it he was just
Speaker 15: a fisherman. But the Trump administration is going to be
Speaker 15: able to point to the fact that there was pentanyl
Speaker 15: and cocaine found floating in the water after the strike.
Speaker 15: The bigger problem for the Trump administration is what you
Speaker 15: alluded to. If anybody gave an order to kill people
Speaker 15: that are basically just paddling a out of the water
Speaker 15: after being hit, then they are going to have a
Speaker 15: lot of explaining to do so.
Speaker 1: And yeah, I did watch the Department of War did
Speaker 1: announce that according to their intelligence, every one of these
Speaker 1: boats that have been shot out have confirmed that there
Speaker 1: was drugs on it, right, So that's not a part
Speaker 1: of the discussion at all.
Speaker 15: So that really goes to the essence of this. You're
Speaker 15: hearing nothing but oh, they were innocent. My family was
Speaker 15: an innocent victim. They were just fishermen from basically everybody hit,
Speaker 15: and of course there have been a lot of them.
Speaker 15: You have had twenty one strikes and eighty three deaths
Speaker 15: in the last couple of months. So now the question
Speaker 15: is every single strike is going to be investigated. What
Speaker 15: is the evidence that there were were not drugs on
Speaker 15: those boats? And afkan is a month of years.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I find heart to believe. Yeah, I was just
Speaker 1: an hon fisherman. Having him on a boat full of
Speaker 1: enough fentanyl to kill you know, two hundred and fifty
Speaker 1: thousand Americans or something, it's crazy to me. I don't
Speaker 1: understand it.
Speaker 15: Yeah, And that's where the lengthy investigations are going to
Speaker 15: come in and then of course the issue of Pete
Speaker 15: Hegst's responsibility. He made it clear that he saw and
Speaker 15: gave the order for the first strike, but he was
Speaker 15: not in the room when the second strike happened, and
Speaker 15: so it looks like he's distancing himself from that decision.
Speaker 1: What is the the argument from the uh the dead
Speaker 1: fish the dead fisherman's family? Is it? I mean, is
Speaker 1: it possible that some of these drug lords that are
Speaker 1: you know, sending these boats or putting I don't know
Speaker 1: people on there and like saying, hey, you can uh,
Speaker 1: you can go on this uh fishing excursion to not
Speaker 1: tell the amerriage. Yeah, I mean yeah, is that is
Speaker 1: that a possibility or is that an argument here?
Speaker 15: Absolutely? Yeah, you could spin this out any which way
Speaker 15: you want. I mean, theoretically you can have a totally
Speaker 15: innocent fisherman who happens to be on a boat where
Speaker 15: some people were smuggling drugs. We just don't really know
Speaker 15: the truth. What's happening with the Human Rights Commission is
Speaker 15: that they can't take money from anybody or put anybody
Speaker 15: in jail. They just want to shine a light on
Speaker 15: possible human rights violations and then people can talk about
Speaker 15: war crimes and things like that, but as they say,
Speaker 15: it's going to take a long time to unsort all
Speaker 15: of these many strikes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and now you mentioned that the Inner American Commission
Speaker 1: on Human Rights, Like what you know, I know that
Speaker 1: that's that's part of this case, but like, I've never
Speaker 1: heard of that before. Is that a pretty common or
Speaker 1: like do they like who who? Where's that based at?
Speaker 1: And who's you're You're.
Speaker 15: Not alone, it's not it's not a household name. And
Speaker 15: as I mentioned, it has no real power. It just
Speaker 15: wants to shine a light. Now, there are lots of
Speaker 15: human rights organizations all around the world, and you know,
Speaker 15: they just have a single purpose. Let's find examples where
Speaker 15: bad guys are doing terrible things to innocent victims, and uh,
Speaker 15: let's publicize it and maybe there will be lawsuits, maybe
Speaker 15: there will be war crime allegations. But yeah, it's it's
Speaker 15: strictly advisory. There is no real power.
Speaker 1: Well, we will see how it all shakes out. Royal,
Speaker 1: I really appreciate time. Thank you, Thanks thanks Roy, thank you.
Speaker 1: So I'm reading here according to a guy named Tommy Pugou,
Speaker 1: he is a of the U. S Department of State,
Speaker 1: And according to him, every one of these drug boats
Speaker 1: I misspoke on number. It's every one of these boats
Speaker 1: represents twenty five thousand Americans.
Speaker 2: That could be killed.
Speaker 1: On the average amount of drugs that's on this enough
Speaker 1: to kill twenty five thousand. And you're supposed to convince
Speaker 1: me that this was just some poor innocent fishermen who
Speaker 1: when it's already again by US intelligence, every one of
Speaker 1: these boats has had drugs on it. Just some poor
Speaker 1: fishermen just just happened to be on this boat.
Speaker 2: Bs.
Speaker 1: I think every time one of these boats gets blown
Speaker 1: out of the water and Angel gets its wings Jason,
Speaker 1: little Christmas a little wonderful it's a wonderful life reference there.
Speaker 1: I just can't imagine why people were upset about this. Well,
Speaker 1: it's unfor I mean, if this is an innocent you know,
Speaker 1: bystander who was put up to saying, ah this, you know,
Speaker 1: by drug lords. And like you said, it's been confirmed
Speaker 1: that every one of these boats that have been blown
Speaker 1: up have had drugs on them. What do you do
Speaker 1: of America? Like, that's the mission is to keep drugs
Speaker 1: from being trafficked into America, and this is the way
Speaker 1: to do it. Yeah, I don't buy it. If you're
Speaker 1: on a boat, you have to know that. What's all
Speaker 1: it's on that boat. I again, there's some scenario out
Speaker 1: there where you don't know. But I think I think
Speaker 1: we all know what these are all about. All right,
Speaker 1: this is a drug boat. All right, let's go ahead
Speaker 1: and check some trafficking weather. How are we looking? All right?
Speaker 1: Back with Rocky alongside Jason Williams for just another couple
Speaker 1: of minutes here, and we're gonna send everyone out with
Speaker 1: this story here Jason. So this is in Virginia, okay.
Speaker 1: An employee who runs a state liquor store, and this
Speaker 1: is in Ashland, Virginia, a small town kind of around Richmond.
Speaker 1: He arrived at work and has opened up the store.
Speaker 1: And he walks in the store and walks down with
Speaker 1: the aisles and there's like lots of broken liquor bottles
Speaker 1: all over the floor. What the hell's going on here?
Speaker 1: You know, liquor everywhere, pools of liquor and all that. Well,
Speaker 1: then so he starts to look around. He goes into
Speaker 1: the bathroom, okay, and there passed out on the floor.
Speaker 2: It's a raccoon.
Speaker 1: I guess the Animal Control Department Hanover County shared a
Speaker 1: picture of the raccoon that was discovered passed out right
Speaker 1: next to the toilet in the bathroom that it apparently
Speaker 1: wandered in after the uh you know, the moonshine had
Speaker 1: kicked in there.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 1: The animal was transported to a shelter and after we
Speaker 1: give being given a few hours of sleep to sleep
Speaker 1: it off, it was released back into the wild. Jason,
Speaker 1: back into your trash can rock And I didn't print
Speaker 1: the pictures out, but it is like it looks like
Speaker 1: what a human would look like if they drank to much,
Speaker 1: just kind of like sprawt out on the floor head over,
Speaker 1: you know, by the toilet there.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 1: We we've all been there and no raccoon has I
Speaker 1: guess too. There was earlier this year. Uh, there was
Speaker 1: a a in Kentucky. A Kentucky nurse Yeah used s
Speaker 1: e pr to like to save a raccoon and a
Speaker 1: dumpster or something that was crazy. I think you might
Speaker 1: have let it go there. But anyway, in another news
Speaker 1: and other news, uh, you and I talked about the ozempic. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was a good discussion. Yes, yes, sir, well dovetail
Speaker 1: off of that, Uh, young women are dropping thousands on
Speaker 1: a gruesome rib removal surgery as the dangerous ozempic body
Speaker 1: trend takes hold rock now speaking of it, wasn't the
Speaker 1: the urban legend that Marilyn Manson had a rib removed
Speaker 1: so he could Yeah, well anyway, yeah, so this is
Speaker 1: actually real? Yes, reading from the New York Post, of course,
Speaker 1: the shocking trend of suddenly curvelous celebrities flaunting their so
Speaker 1: called quote ozimpic bodies and having a dangerous impact on women.
Speaker 1: Easily accessible up one GLP one drugs can deliver a
Speaker 1: real thin frame in just months months, as it has
Speaker 1: for folks or celebrities like Amy Schumer and Meghan Trainer.
Speaker 1: But someone else, Emily James, I don't know it does.
Speaker 1: Ring a Bell opted to take even more drastic measures
Speaker 1: in her quest for perfection, spending thirteen thousand, seven hundred
Speaker 1: and fifty dollars on a risky rib removal procedure, because
Speaker 1: you know, you become so skinny so fast, and like,
Speaker 1: you know, obviously, when you're really really skinny, oh hey,
Speaker 1: I could see your ribs, you need to eat a cheeseburger.
Speaker 1: You remember when people would say it, like yeah, you
Speaker 1: know when people would say that the kids, how much,
Speaker 1: just like back off your dosage of ozembic rather than
Speaker 1: go and get a rib remove that's pretty crazy and invasive,
Speaker 1: having a total of six ribs taken out of her body,
Speaker 1: three from each side, yes, three from each side. But
Speaker 1: your your rib cage, you know, is there for a reason.
Speaker 2: It's not arbitrary.
Speaker 1: There to protect old right, yeah, you're pancreas, your stomach
Speaker 1: and all that keep it from gold torso up and
Speaker 1: right yeah, and all that from getting injured from each
Speaker 1: It would allow Emily James Uh. She had hoped to
Speaker 1: instantly achieve the perfect physique she had always dreamed of. Instead,
Speaker 1: James found herself in a waking nightmare as after going
Speaker 1: under the Knight to shrink her waistline from thirty two
Speaker 1: inches to twenty four. The lifestyle influencer said she had
Speaker 1: nothing but regret over her decision to go for the
Speaker 1: not so quick fix and then removing her ribs. That
Speaker 1: I don't recommend rib removal surgery to anyone, she said,
Speaker 1: I would, Yeah, that's she just goes to your point.
Speaker 1: They are no longer they are no longer ribs protecting
Speaker 1: my liver and kidneys, which could be a problem if
Speaker 1: I'm ever in a bad as or experience an extreme impact.
Speaker 1: I don't care about that. I mean beautiful and rich,
Speaker 1: it's fine, crazy, as you said, They're there for a reason,
Speaker 1: there for a reason, all right, and we are done
Speaker 1: for a reason. And that reason is who Day. Today
Speaker 1: is next, and then Red's Hot Stove League. We'll see
Speaker 1: you tomorrow. Seven hundred WLW