WEBVTT - 10-21-25 Scott Sloan Show 0:00:00.120 --> 0:00:02.199 Do you want to be an American idio? 0:00:02.720 --> 0:00:05.240 Our Scott's flown back on seven hundred. WW got a 0:00:05.240 --> 0:00:08.760 busy day ahead, y'all. Coming up at ten o'clock or thereabouts, 0:00:08.760 --> 0:00:11.920 we'll have a press conference, live press conference, and it's 0:00:11.920 --> 0:00:15.200 going to be the lawyer for Police Chief Terry Thiji, 0:00:15.240 --> 0:00:19.119 who is on now paid administrative leave. And it feels 0:00:19.160 --> 0:00:21.600 like it sounds like it looks like she's getting fired, 0:00:21.840 --> 0:00:24.720 but that hasn't happened yet. This whole thing has been 0:00:24.760 --> 0:00:27.680 headled poorly from the jump, and I've not even talked 0:00:27.720 --> 0:00:29.920 about the issue of the violent crime in downtown Cincinnati. 0:00:29.960 --> 0:00:31.960 So we'll have that for you live at ten to six. 0:00:32.000 --> 0:00:33.560 More on this, we'll talk about more than about nine 0:00:33.560 --> 0:00:36.080 thirty five. But in the interim, we have a major 0:00:36.159 --> 0:00:39.760 security breach into our infrastructure by the Chinese, and you 0:00:39.800 --> 0:00:42.720 didn't hear about that because it's been overshadowed by yesterday's 0:00:42.720 --> 0:00:46.640 massive Amazon Web Services outage. If you use things like 0:00:46.640 --> 0:00:50.200 Alexa or Prime Video, or have blank security systems or coinbase, 0:00:50.240 --> 0:00:55.200 which is crypto government gateway services, Microsoft three sixty five, 0:00:55.560 --> 0:01:00.240 my Fitness, pell Peloton PlayStation Network, Snapchat, WhatsApp, squares, Zoom, 0:01:00.320 --> 0:01:03.040 and countless other platforms were down for the count for 0:01:03.120 --> 0:01:06.360 a good part yesterday, frustrating a lot of people joining 0:01:06.400 --> 0:01:08.400 the show to talk about this and much more is 0:01:08.480 --> 0:01:13.000 Chris Naiheisi is the CEO at Cincinnati based Vigilant Cybersecurity. Chris, 0:01:13.040 --> 0:01:13.880 Welcome back. 0:01:14.560 --> 0:01:15.440 Good morning, Scott. 0:01:15.480 --> 0:01:16.280 It's great to be back. 0:01:16.880 --> 0:01:18.640 Yeah, and it seems like there's always a crisis. We 0:01:18.640 --> 0:01:20.880 could have you on probably every day talking about this stuff. 0:01:21.920 --> 0:01:24.960 I've mentioned how the security breach, the security breach of 0:01:25.040 --> 0:01:27.760 that five was kind of overshadowed by AWS, and I 0:01:27.800 --> 0:01:30.880 guess that makes sense because you know, unless it directly 0:01:30.880 --> 0:01:33.600 affects you, you don't pay attention. Thing was that that 0:01:33.720 --> 0:01:38.080 AWS affects so many more people simply because when that's down. 0:01:38.160 --> 0:01:40.160 I just mentioned it, and that's just tip of the iceberg. 0:01:40.200 --> 0:01:42.480 That's some of the platforms. There's there's countless others around 0:01:42.480 --> 0:01:45.360 the world that were down because of this. In pretty 0:01:45.440 --> 0:01:50.240 much every institution from finance to a retail, you name. 0:01:50.320 --> 0:01:52.920 It was completely shut down for the better Party yesterday, 0:01:52.920 --> 0:01:56.000 illustrating what the real problem is with Amazon, which is what. 0:01:58.480 --> 0:01:59.760 They're centrally located. 0:01:59.800 --> 0:02:02.680 You know, the big issue with a lot of these 0:02:02.680 --> 0:02:06.600 technologies like crowd Offerings AWS. They've made it so easy 0:02:06.640 --> 0:02:11.040 for organizations to put their technology up there. But the 0:02:11.120 --> 0:02:12.920 problem is, and the thing that a lot of companies 0:02:13.040 --> 0:02:17.600 forgot about or we're chose to not maybe pay attention to, 0:02:18.320 --> 0:02:20.600 is that when you put it into these central locations, 0:02:20.639 --> 0:02:23.840 if that central location goes down, well then now everything 0:02:23.880 --> 0:02:25.639 you do goes down. And what was really interesting in 0:02:25.680 --> 0:02:29.120 scott Is yesterday, and I do quite often when things 0:02:29.160 --> 0:02:31.480 like this happened. I go out to this site called 0:02:31.520 --> 0:02:36.000 down detector dot com and it tells you, like everything 0:02:36.120 --> 0:02:37.919 you know. These people will call in the report things 0:02:37.919 --> 0:02:41.440 are down, so it'll tell you what's down across the world. 0:02:42.000 --> 0:02:47.280 And you can tell exactly what companies use Amazon and we'll. 0:02:47.120 --> 0:02:48.920 Talk about that here in a second why that can help. 0:02:48.840 --> 0:02:51.520 An attacker, but you can see exactly what company used 0:02:51.560 --> 0:02:53.840 it because they all went down at the same time. Now, 0:02:53.840 --> 0:02:57.200 I'll tell you this has happened globally two times before 0:02:57.880 --> 0:03:02.079 last year CrowdStrike, and this has happened to AWS. 0:03:01.600 --> 0:03:02.360 Before as well. 0:03:02.840 --> 0:03:07.560 The data that Russia attacks Ukraine so very interesting time 0:03:07.639 --> 0:03:08.600 and you and I talked about that. 0:03:08.760 --> 0:03:11.320 Yeah, in fact that we will and we still don't 0:03:11.440 --> 0:03:13.680 I don't. We don't know what drove yesterday's out. 0:03:14.200 --> 0:03:15.400 We don't know, we don't know. 0:03:15.520 --> 0:03:18.880 Yeah, I mean Amazon has said that, uh that basically 0:03:18.919 --> 0:03:21.000 it was a DNS problem, which is the exact same 0:03:21.000 --> 0:03:22.360 thing that was years. 0:03:22.080 --> 0:03:26.400 Ago, and just everyone knows what DNS does is you know, it's. 0:03:26.280 --> 0:03:29.480 Really hard to remember a long IP address, you know, 0:03:29.520 --> 0:03:31.800 like one nine two, one six, eight at five ten 0:03:31.919 --> 0:03:35.960 or whatever, and so so we don't remember that Google's 0:03:36.040 --> 0:03:37.560 addresses is. 0:03:37.600 --> 0:03:38.960 You know eight at eight eight that eight. 0:03:39.480 --> 0:03:42.320 We put names to these because it's easier for humans 0:03:42.320 --> 0:03:44.600 to remember names. So we say Google dot com, where 0:03:44.600 --> 0:03:49.120 there's a translation service at the Internet existed since since 0:03:49.240 --> 0:03:52.880 you know, networking started. But basically you type in Google, 0:03:52.960 --> 0:03:55.080 it converts it to that iPad dress and goes up. 0:03:55.560 --> 0:03:58.480 You can't get to websites without DNS. And if DNS 0:03:58.600 --> 0:04:01.920 is down, that's a big problem. It is the single 0:04:01.960 --> 0:04:04.760 most thing that can I mean, none of the networking 0:04:04.800 --> 0:04:07.400 broke yesterday, None of the ISP's broke. 0:04:07.440 --> 0:04:08.440 You said Internet connection. 0:04:09.120 --> 0:04:11.560 It was the major translation system. So if you had 0:04:11.600 --> 0:04:12.120 typed in. 0:04:12.440 --> 0:04:14.840 The IP address, if you knew it, you could have 0:04:14.880 --> 0:04:17.279 gotten to the website you're trying to go to but 0:04:17.360 --> 0:04:20.719 because of automation, all these technologies like ring or whatever, 0:04:21.440 --> 0:04:24.880 DNS can change so often, and so they just automated. 0:04:25.160 --> 0:04:29.480 So when that system's down, it's it's the thing that 0:04:29.560 --> 0:04:31.960 can take everything down. It's the simplest thing to take 0:04:31.960 --> 0:04:32.520 down the world. 0:04:32.960 --> 0:04:35.359 Yeah, the way you described is if you're older, remember 0:04:35.360 --> 0:04:36.599 the old Dewey decimal system. 0:04:36.600 --> 0:04:37.560 It's like the inverse of that. 0:04:38.040 --> 0:04:40.080 Basically, it's like I said, if I remember those numbers, 0:04:40.080 --> 0:04:41.520 like oh yeah, here's the name of the book. Well, 0:04:41.560 --> 0:04:43.440 the Dewey decimal system, we'll get you the book and 0:04:43.440 --> 0:04:46.080 the title that you're looking for. Don't have to worry 0:04:46.080 --> 0:04:47.880 about that as much anymore. And the other thing too, 0:04:48.080 --> 0:04:50.640 is you know, the idea is that the cloud. Basically 0:04:50.640 --> 0:04:52.440 the cloud is hey listen, you don't have to host 0:04:52.440 --> 0:04:54.040 your own service anymore. You don't have to have a 0:04:54.400 --> 0:04:56.400 room full of a rack room with all this equipment 0:04:56.480 --> 0:04:59.400 and have it people running around all the time. You 0:04:59.480 --> 0:05:01.640 just upload the stuff with the cloud and Amazon will 0:05:01.640 --> 0:05:04.000 take care of it and you just you can outsource it. Right, 0:05:04.040 --> 0:05:08.120 So we love outsourcing. The problem though, is that and 0:05:08.760 --> 0:05:10.880 correct mever wrong. I think there's two regions here. So 0:05:10.960 --> 0:05:13.960 you have the US East one region, which is in Virginia, 0:05:14.080 --> 0:05:15.080 which is where the problem is. 0:05:15.120 --> 0:05:17.920 We have US East two, which is actually in Ohio. 0:05:18.120 --> 0:05:19.880 And so one of the ideas, Hey, one of the 0:05:20.000 --> 0:05:22.839 regions goes down, you've got other backups and overlaps. But 0:05:23.400 --> 0:05:25.760 as you mentioned, if it's the whole process of the 0:05:25.800 --> 0:05:29.719 Dewey decimal system called DNS, then you can't access data 0:05:29.760 --> 0:05:32.640 no matter where it is. That's the joy that that 0:05:33.080 --> 0:05:35.680 undermines their argument that, hey, don't worry if they go down. 0:05:35.680 --> 0:05:38.920 Here, we've got backups. There's redundancy. Well, there's no redundancy with. 0:05:38.920 --> 0:05:43.960 This right, right, But it's interesting too, there's thinking about 0:05:43.960 --> 0:05:45.800 it this way from a security standpoint. It's just from 0:05:45.880 --> 0:05:51.800 national security aspect. When DNUS is down, everybody's firewall that's 0:05:51.839 --> 0:05:54.240 configured to get updates through DNAs. 0:05:53.880 --> 0:05:55.320 Stops getting updates. Right. 0:05:55.880 --> 0:05:59.599 People writing code that use things like githup right where 0:05:59.600 --> 0:06:03.200 they store the code, they can't update code. Uh when 0:06:03.279 --> 0:06:07.080 you know yesterday, uh, you know email communication systems to 0:06:07.240 --> 0:06:11.840 tell people things are down, we're down, and so you know, 0:06:12.360 --> 0:06:15.240 think about all the ways we communicate, all the services 0:06:15.279 --> 0:06:21.039 we communicate emergency services. Your ring cameras were down, right, 0:06:21.120 --> 0:06:24.080 So what's a great time for someone breaking your home 0:06:24.320 --> 0:06:27.480 yesterday during that outage, you know, so you know what's it. 0:06:27.560 --> 0:06:29.520 But also on top of that, not even just the 0:06:29.560 --> 0:06:32.479 security side of things is you know people couldn't buy 0:06:32.680 --> 0:06:35.279 and sell things. They couldn't you know, so many businesses 0:06:35.360 --> 0:06:40.080 lost tons of money yesterday because they lost consumers purchasing. 0:06:40.000 --> 0:06:42.599 Things from them. It's just a cascading effect. 0:06:42.720 --> 0:06:44.680 And you know, when you think about US East and 0:06:44.760 --> 0:06:46.760 US One, the way this works is you actually have 0:06:46.839 --> 0:06:49.359 to put your technology in bolt. Well, it costs you 0:06:49.400 --> 0:06:52.960 more money to do that, and so not every company 0:06:53.040 --> 0:06:56.120 does that either, even though it's available. But even in 0:06:56.120 --> 0:06:59.760 that case, you know, DNS being down, you know what 0:06:59.839 --> 0:07:03.520 affected h most of most of any any of that 0:07:03.600 --> 0:07:06.679 as well. And you know there are multiple different ways 0:07:06.720 --> 0:07:09.920 to connect to DNS because there's all these companies that 0:07:10.000 --> 0:07:13.440 use it, but a lot of companies use AWS because 0:07:13.480 --> 0:07:16.840 it's easy and you know, it's it's just it's just 0:07:16.880 --> 0:07:18.640 grown to be something that's just pretty well known. 0:07:18.800 --> 0:07:21.560 Yeah, so we know why to you know, the dependence 0:07:21.600 --> 0:07:24.400 in the cloud as opposed to having a local drive 0:07:24.600 --> 0:07:28.080 do this, there's a lesson there and the you know, 0:07:28.160 --> 0:07:29.440 everything works until it doesn't. 0:07:29.480 --> 0:07:30.800 I guess it's the mantra here too. 0:07:31.120 --> 0:07:33.520 Uh And i'd been miss I didn't mention to like 0:07:33.640 --> 0:07:36.440 literally hours before this day before this, there was something 0:07:36.480 --> 0:07:38.640 called the F five bridge. F five is a it's 0:07:38.680 --> 0:07:42.480 a it's a major US company basically that it How 0:07:42.520 --> 0:07:46.760 do I want to describe F five? It's not much 0:07:46.800 --> 0:07:49.800 like AWS is pretty much everywhere. F five is a 0:07:49.880 --> 0:07:52.560 huge cybersecurity matter. I think nine to ten fortune five 0:07:52.640 --> 0:07:55.040 hundreds to use them at banking, tech, medical, government, all 0:07:55.040 --> 0:07:57.760 that stuff, right, and they were breached by the Chinese. 0:07:57.800 --> 0:08:01.160 So to kind of bridge the discussion from Amazon to this, 0:08:01.640 --> 0:08:02.880 do you think these two are related? 0:08:04.120 --> 0:08:08.600 Uh? You know, personally, I think the timing is really interesting. 0:08:09.040 --> 0:08:11.440 And when you see a lot of these big things 0:08:11.480 --> 0:08:15.760 happen colonial pipeline, uh, you know this, you know you 0:08:15.880 --> 0:08:19.360 have to start to look at this from a from 0:08:19.360 --> 0:08:23.480 a warfare standpoint. And I would say most of most 0:08:23.480 --> 0:08:25.040 of a lot of attacks, even though they're ransom are 0:08:25.040 --> 0:08:27.680 attacks bes like that. The last week, ransomware in hospitals, 0:08:27.720 --> 0:08:30.600 things like that. I think all of that's either positioning 0:08:30.800 --> 0:08:36.400 or testing and and and in this case, it's it's 0:08:36.480 --> 0:08:38.600 highly possible that both of them are related. 0:08:39.040 --> 0:08:41.040 I think it's too early for Amazon. 0:08:40.760 --> 0:08:43.080 To know that. I think that for them to say 0:08:43.120 --> 0:08:46.680 that publicly, uh was you know, I don't, But again 0:08:46.720 --> 0:08:49.200 I don't know what investigations they've done internally. But that 0:08:49.280 --> 0:08:51.679 happened really fast, and so if I were them, I 0:08:51.679 --> 0:08:54.720 would have waited, you know, just to come out and 0:08:54.720 --> 0:08:58.640 say something. But even if it was, it probably won't 0:08:58.640 --> 0:09:01.000 come out to the public, just as a hysteria and 0:09:01.000 --> 0:09:03.880 things like that. Now, the way the way F five works, 0:09:04.080 --> 0:09:08.000 where where DNS gets you to the website you're going to. 0:09:08.960 --> 0:09:11.480 What what happens is when you have a popular website 0:09:12.320 --> 0:09:14.240 or you're a company that does a lot of business, 0:09:14.800 --> 0:09:16.320 you have to have a ton of servers on the 0:09:16.360 --> 0:09:18.960 back end that serve your customers. 0:09:19.360 --> 0:09:20.800 And so what F five does is. 0:09:20.800 --> 0:09:22.920 It just in front of those so when you go 0:09:23.000 --> 0:09:27.200 to it, it distributes the load across all of these 0:09:27.200 --> 0:09:30.360 servers you have on the back end to support all 0:09:30.400 --> 0:09:32.120 of the transactions. 0:09:31.360 --> 0:09:31.880 You might take. 0:09:31.960 --> 0:09:35.000 So that's why banks use them, why hospitals use them, 0:09:35.120 --> 0:09:38.520 it's why big massive organizations use them because it helps 0:09:38.600 --> 0:09:43.200 route the traffic. Son't once gets you to F five, right, 0:09:43.600 --> 0:09:45.679 then it distributes the work. 0:09:45.760 --> 0:09:46.959 So you kind of see I'm going here right, So 0:09:47.520 --> 0:09:48.600 but yeah. 0:09:48.400 --> 0:09:51.199 So that's that's that's what happened there. So when when 0:09:51.240 --> 0:09:54.320 you think about F five, what F five has is 0:09:54.360 --> 0:09:57.920 they have all of the configurations for every one of 0:09:57.960 --> 0:09:59.000 these companies. 0:09:58.559 --> 0:09:59.199 That they work with. 0:09:59.800 --> 0:10:04.920 They have all, like of the user access information, they 0:10:04.960 --> 0:10:08.000 have all of the code for how their systems work. 0:10:08.600 --> 0:10:12.160 So when an attacker, what they stole was they stole 0:10:12.240 --> 0:10:15.880 all of their source code, They stole all of their 0:10:16.080 --> 0:10:18.040 you know or not all, but a lot of their 0:10:18.080 --> 0:10:22.600 customer configurations. They stole the access to those systems. So 0:10:22.679 --> 0:10:26.440 now not only do they know where to go, they 0:10:26.480 --> 0:10:29.440 know how to get there, they know how to get 0:10:29.440 --> 0:10:33.120 in and they know everything about the company's environment once 0:10:33.160 --> 0:10:38.640 they get there. 0:10:39.240 --> 0:10:40.040 Who's the they? 0:10:41.600 --> 0:10:45.480 So the they in this case for five is China, right, 0:10:45.600 --> 0:10:49.440 China packed them in twenty twenty three. And that's the 0:10:49.480 --> 0:10:53.280 earliest we know, right from what's been released. Sometimes that's longer. 0:10:54.000 --> 0:10:55.199 Sometimes companies don't. 0:10:55.000 --> 0:10:55.800 Even know because I'll. 0:10:55.720 --> 0:11:00.520 Say that most companies either they don't have the ability 0:11:00.559 --> 0:11:03.960 to forensically even go back that far, and so it's 0:11:04.080 --> 0:11:05.680 really difficult. 0:11:05.280 --> 0:11:08.040 For most companies to prove whether or not a. 0:11:08.080 --> 0:11:11.160 Hack happened, and even when it happened, so they could 0:11:11.200 --> 0:11:12.040 have been there much longer. 0:11:12.040 --> 0:11:13.240 But the day in this case. 0:11:13.120 --> 0:11:16.679 Is chying to the And I would say that it's 0:11:16.720 --> 0:11:20.240 our adversaries, you know, because it's China doesn't just operate 0:11:20.320 --> 0:11:23.640 completely alone. They work with other countries and things like that. 0:11:23.679 --> 0:11:25.320 You know that our adversaries against us. 0:11:25.480 --> 0:11:28.800 Right, And we just had the story of Hearine just 0:11:28.840 --> 0:11:32.439 last week and talking about China and how they've infiltrated 0:11:32.480 --> 0:11:35.400 infrastructure here in America in two hundred as far as 0:11:35.440 --> 0:11:38.240 we know, but probably multiply that by ten or one hundred, 0:11:38.840 --> 0:11:43.400 where they've gotten into water filtration systems. Some small town 0:11:43.600 --> 0:11:46.240 in Massachusetts, I believe. Sixty Minutes had a great story 0:11:46.240 --> 0:11:48.720 on this and how they got in. They like, yeah, 0:11:48.760 --> 0:11:50.560 we saw them, they were operating, The government was watching 0:11:50.559 --> 0:11:51.880 them to see what they were going to do. But 0:11:52.120 --> 0:11:55.400 they could totally take control of a city's infrastructure. And 0:11:55.520 --> 0:11:57.160 that's that's replicated across America. 0:11:57.240 --> 0:11:57.480 Now. 0:11:58.120 --> 0:12:01.480 The Chinese are breaking and basically the biggest, one of 0:12:01.520 --> 0:12:04.120 the biggest cybersecurity vetdors in that five in their platform 0:12:04.160 --> 0:12:07.320 that runs nine and ten fortune five hundred companies. They 0:12:07.360 --> 0:12:11.040 have basically the blueprints on how things work for. 0:12:11.200 --> 0:12:14.400 Nine of Fortune five hundred companies and and and in 0:12:14.679 --> 0:12:17.199 a significant amount of others too. Yeah, you know, we're 0:12:17.440 --> 0:12:20.680 my team right now is out in California because we 0:12:20.720 --> 0:12:23.920 meet uh this conference with a bunch of municipalities out 0:12:23.920 --> 0:12:26.080 there to face all the unipolities and California come together 0:12:26.160 --> 0:12:29.800 once a year we go go to that conference. One 0:12:29.840 --> 0:12:32.560 of the things that's interesting because our team is asking them, 0:12:32.600 --> 0:12:35.520 We're like, hey, you know, do you you know, do 0:12:35.520 --> 0:12:38.760 you use that five et cetera, et cetera now? And 0:12:39.320 --> 0:12:41.920 a lot of them do, so, you know, the you know, 0:12:42.120 --> 0:12:45.559 that's the thing is when a technology becomes efficient or 0:12:45.640 --> 0:12:50.560 becomes you know, effective within an organization, people will go 0:12:50.640 --> 0:12:51.920 buy it and they put it in. And that's not 0:12:51.960 --> 0:12:54.560 a bad thing because you know, a company should be 0:12:54.600 --> 0:12:58.200 rewarded for effectiveness. However, the thing you have to realize 0:12:58.240 --> 0:13:00.920 is that you know, when you're when putting things in, 0:13:01.800 --> 0:13:05.040 you have to go a bit further to to lock 0:13:05.120 --> 0:13:05.480 them down. 0:13:05.520 --> 0:13:06.920 And when you know, we talked. 0:13:06.720 --> 0:13:09.480 About week two hundred you know, cities around the country 0:13:09.480 --> 0:13:12.600 and that's just that's that's a very very low number. 0:13:12.960 --> 0:13:16.920 Scott just from our experience have embedded threat actors in 0:13:16.960 --> 0:13:19.360 their environment, and then you tie that into things like 0:13:20.000 --> 0:13:23.400 you know, systems like this where back in twenty twenty three. 0:13:23.480 --> 0:13:27.439 So I think it's no doubt that you know, companies 0:13:27.480 --> 0:13:31.360 that use F five, you know, have probably been infiltrated 0:13:31.440 --> 0:13:35.240 from them from that time and they don't know, you know, 0:13:35.360 --> 0:13:37.280 because you know, and I were talking about this theory. 0:13:37.320 --> 0:13:40.760 I think, look bit but like I've been saying, you know, 0:13:40.760 --> 0:13:43.520 the saying on a few of these is that the 0:13:43.559 --> 0:13:50.240 cyber industry has been diluted over time in from a technology. 0:13:49.679 --> 0:13:53.960 Standpoint, because of the way that. 0:13:54.040 --> 0:13:56.840 Cyber companies grow. Right, a lot of private equity comes in, 0:13:57.600 --> 0:14:00.640 a lot of different investments come in, and a lot 0:14:00.640 --> 0:14:03.640 of times that can dilute the technology because there's a 0:14:03.679 --> 0:14:05.960 balance in an organization like that where you have to 0:14:06.000 --> 0:14:07.600 balance between shareholder value. 0:14:07.440 --> 0:14:09.160 And client value. 0:14:09.400 --> 0:14:12.880 The other thing that's happened too is that you know, 0:14:12.960 --> 0:14:15.920 companies do not have a good barometer on how to 0:14:16.000 --> 0:14:19.280 choose cyber technology. So like, for instance, HB ninety six, 0:14:19.360 --> 0:14:23.280 you're in the state of Ohio, mad rush every municipality 0:14:23.320 --> 0:14:26.960 here in the state of Ohio, mad rush to get 0:14:26.960 --> 0:14:29.520 cyberant in put in place. Now, I believe the bill 0:14:29.640 --> 0:14:32.640 was awesome. I think it's one of the best cyber 0:14:32.640 --> 0:14:37.160 bills in the country right now. However, the timeline is 0:14:37.240 --> 0:14:40.400 horrible because now what's happening is all these cities are 0:14:40.480 --> 0:14:44.240 rushing out to get compliance because they have to, and 0:14:44.320 --> 0:14:46.360 now they're going to put in things that they may 0:14:46.440 --> 0:14:49.880 or may not know are effective. And a lot of 0:14:49.880 --> 0:14:51.800 these organizations actually don't. 0:14:51.560 --> 0:14:54.680 Know how to that whether or not tech is good. 0:14:54.560 --> 0:14:56.920 Or not in the cyber world, because we have things 0:14:56.960 --> 0:14:59.000 like you know, and I don't say their names, but 0:14:59.040 --> 0:15:01.760 we have organization out there that a lot of companies 0:15:01.800 --> 0:15:04.400 go to to say, well, how is this rated? Well, 0:15:04.440 --> 0:15:08.400 most of those plans, most of those rating systems are 0:15:08.440 --> 0:15:09.080 all paid. 0:15:08.840 --> 0:15:12.760 To play, so cyber vendors can come in, pay a lot. 0:15:12.600 --> 0:15:16.280 Of money and get put into a position of priority 0:15:16.440 --> 0:15:17.160 in the marketplace. 0:15:17.240 --> 0:15:18.880 So the way the. 0:15:18.960 --> 0:15:22.360 System is set up, it seems like this it's not 0:15:22.400 --> 0:15:23.960 going to take much of this house of cards to 0:15:24.000 --> 0:15:26.080 follow me. I'm not surprised to wake up one day 0:15:26.120 --> 0:15:29.640 and nothing works, because you know, the Chinese said, okay, 0:15:29.720 --> 0:15:31.720 we have enough to shut your commerce down and hold 0:15:31.760 --> 0:15:34.480 you hostage. I mean, imagine holding the United States of 0:15:34.480 --> 0:15:36.720 America essentially hostage and what is the rest of the 0:15:36.760 --> 0:15:38.280 one power is going to do. They're going to sit 0:15:38.320 --> 0:15:39.840 back and just look at us and go yeah, So 0:15:39.920 --> 0:15:45.320 we don't care. It's a frightening future and it's sadly 0:15:45.360 --> 0:15:47.480 we don't learn anything until we have a digital nine 0:15:47.480 --> 0:15:50.480 to eleven, and that does coming. We've talked about that, right, 0:15:50.560 --> 0:15:54.680 Chris Nihi, CEO Vigilant Cybersecurity. Now, of the origins, we 0:15:54.680 --> 0:15:58.280 still know the Amazon web server crash yesterday, and we 0:15:58.320 --> 0:16:00.920 do know that one of the biggest play form cybersecurity 0:16:01.000 --> 0:16:04.040 vendors in F five and what they produce, was hacked 0:16:04.040 --> 0:16:06.320 by the Chinese. And we'll see if those two things 0:16:06.360 --> 0:16:08.720 fit together. Frightening times. Indeed, Chris, all the best, thanks 0:16:08.760 --> 0:16:09.640 are jumping in this morning. 0:16:09.880 --> 0:16:11.040 Oh Scott, great talking. 0:16:11.280 --> 0:16:13.200 Take care. We've got a news update in about four 0:16:13.280 --> 0:16:15.840 or five minutes here. When we continue, we'll start to 0:16:15.840 --> 0:16:20.080 get into the Terry Fiji suspension slash dismissal, slash firing, 0:16:20.160 --> 0:16:23.680 slash dog and pony show that's about to happen at 0:16:23.720 --> 0:16:27.600 what ten o'clock today when her attorney, Terry Thigi's attorney speaks, 0:16:27.640 --> 0:16:30.600 we'll have that live for you and then reaction following 0:16:30.640 --> 0:16:37.280 here on seven hundred WLW consequential Tuesday morning. Scott Sloan 0:16:37.320 --> 0:16:40.320 here seven hundred WLW. Gotch You're covered and control. If 0:16:40.320 --> 0:16:42.560 you're out and about today, take us with you via 0:16:42.600 --> 0:16:45.880 the iHeartRadio app because we will have breaking new sometime 0:16:45.920 --> 0:16:47.360 at ten o'clock or thereabouts. 0:16:47.400 --> 0:16:49.760 There's about to be a press conference on the. 0:16:49.680 --> 0:16:53.720 Heels of police Chief Terry Fiji being placed on administrative leave. 0:16:54.480 --> 0:16:56.960 City Manager Cheryl Long tells us to leave is pending 0:16:57.000 --> 0:16:59.760 an internal investigation and the effectiveness of our leadership in 0:16:59.800 --> 0:17:02.600 the Cincinnati to Police department, which is interesting because it 0:17:02.680 --> 0:17:05.879 was just what about three or four weeks ago that 0:17:05.920 --> 0:17:09.200 mayor aft had Puerval said, crime is down. 0:17:10.400 --> 0:17:12.680 It's fine, crime is down, We're doing good. Things are good. 0:17:12.760 --> 0:17:15.240 Now there's some areas, central business districts and others where 0:17:15.240 --> 0:17:18.480 the crime is up and personal property crimes like car breaking. Said, 0:17:18.520 --> 0:17:22.159 that's up, but crime is down. So weeks later we 0:17:22.280 --> 0:17:28.000 get the dismissal presumably of Chief Theritary Thesi, which this 0:17:28.080 --> 0:17:30.439 is going to be a great topic tomorrow morning at 0:17:30.440 --> 0:17:33.720 ten thirty with Julie Bouki, our career Shirpoo and just 0:17:33.800 --> 0:17:38.720 how poorly handled this dismissal was and I say dismissal 0:17:38.760 --> 0:17:41.040 because I don't know what to make of this. We 0:17:41.080 --> 0:17:43.520 don't know what's going to happen. At ten o'clock. The 0:17:43.600 --> 0:17:47.359 attorney for Terry Thigi, Steve m who's been on the 0:17:47.400 --> 0:17:49.399 show before Front of the show, an employment attorney with 0:17:49.400 --> 0:17:51.840 Finny Law Firm, and Cincinnati's going to address this at 0:17:51.880 --> 0:17:53.879 ten o'clock. And I could only imagine he's going to 0:17:53.920 --> 0:17:56.119 say that she did everything that was asked of the 0:17:56.160 --> 0:17:59.960 city as he publicly negotiates the terms of her surrender, 0:18:00.920 --> 0:18:03.679 and the terms of her surrender are going to be 0:18:03.720 --> 0:18:07.720 extremely generous, meaning that you, the city tax paper are 0:18:07.800 --> 0:18:12.840 going to foot the bill to make Terry Thiji go away. 0:18:12.880 --> 0:18:16.000 And it's going to cost a lot of money, money 0:18:16.040 --> 0:18:17.879 that could be better spent on, oh, I don't know, 0:18:18.359 --> 0:18:20.240 addressing crime problems or. 0:18:20.200 --> 0:18:21.520 Potholes or whatever it might be. 0:18:23.119 --> 0:18:25.719 But that is your guy, have tab at work, going 0:18:25.760 --> 0:18:28.560 to spend a lot more of your money to covers butt. 0:18:29.600 --> 0:18:31.960 So we'll see what is said in just about twenty 0:18:32.000 --> 0:18:34.600 two minutes or thereabouts. Anyway, as soon as they break 0:18:34.640 --> 0:18:36.520 in with that, we'll have it for you here on 0:18:36.600 --> 0:18:39.560 News Radio seven hundred WLW. So let's lead up to 0:18:39.600 --> 0:18:42.560 that somewhat here in how things got to be and 0:18:42.680 --> 0:18:45.159 the final straw for Terry Thiji, I guess was the 0:18:45.200 --> 0:18:48.320 Fountain Square shootings, because Pierval I think was out of 0:18:48.320 --> 0:18:50.520 adjectives at this point. Every time we had a violent 0:18:50.600 --> 0:18:55.440 crime that made headlines, there was another adjective used and 0:18:56.440 --> 0:18:59.560 finally said that's enough. This is intolerable, I think is 0:18:59.600 --> 0:19:03.000 the latest one he used and said significant changes are coming. 0:19:04.400 --> 0:19:04.560 Now. 0:19:04.600 --> 0:19:07.360 That was last week and here we are with the 0:19:07.880 --> 0:19:10.480 paid administry to leave, the suspension of the chief and 0:19:10.560 --> 0:19:15.040 an interim chief appointed. Terry Thiji told cops at that 0:19:15.119 --> 0:19:17.879 time that we're going to make contact with people for 0:19:17.880 --> 0:19:20.280 the most minor offenses and the SWAT and civil determined 0:19:20.320 --> 0:19:22.560 team are going to be it's going to look pretty militaristic. 0:19:22.840 --> 0:19:25.560 Militaristic on Thursday and Thursday on football, which, by the way, 0:19:25.800 --> 0:19:28.800 did that stop the crime? Maybe on Fountain Square, but 0:19:28.880 --> 0:19:32.719 just a few blocks away literally at the end between 0:19:32.760 --> 0:19:35.720 Tavern gunshots rang out where he had an individual shot 0:19:35.760 --> 0:19:37.960 to death in his car and his BMW at the 0:19:38.000 --> 0:19:40.080 hands of a guy who well shouldn't had a gun 0:19:40.080 --> 0:19:41.600 in the first place. We'll get into the more a 0:19:41.640 --> 0:19:44.680 little bit later on. Terry Fiji came into the department 0:19:44.720 --> 0:19:46.920 in twenty twenty two with the retirement of then Chief 0:19:46.960 --> 0:19:50.640 Elliott Isaac. She was an executive assistant chief at the time, 0:19:50.680 --> 0:19:52.960 the first woman to lead the department. In the interim, 0:19:53.240 --> 0:19:55.399 she spent thirty now, I believe doing math in my 0:19:55.400 --> 0:19:57.439 head here about thirty five years on the job. I 0:19:57.440 --> 0:20:01.440 want to say thereabouts all in a Western High school's 0:20:01.600 --> 0:20:04.320 Western Hills High School graduate, married forty years, proud Westsider. 0:20:05.160 --> 0:20:07.399 And I found it interesting because when she took office 0:20:07.400 --> 0:20:10.879 in twenty twenty two, just three short years ago, she said, quote, 0:20:11.000 --> 0:20:15.840 I am dedicated to ensuring CPD is as inclusive as 0:20:15.920 --> 0:20:20.320 possible and will continue being committed to doing the work 0:20:20.520 --> 0:20:24.960 of the collaborative Agreement. To that point, Iris Rawley with 0:20:25.000 --> 0:20:29.480 the Cincinnati Black United Front actually interviewed all four candidates. 0:20:29.480 --> 0:20:31.800 I was sending the interview press of all four candidates 0:20:32.720 --> 0:20:36.560 with the goal of advancing the collaborative agreement. That is, 0:20:36.600 --> 0:20:40.399 the optics, that is, the circumstances, surroundings and conditions in 0:20:40.440 --> 0:20:43.560 which Terry Thiji moved from executive assistant chief to the 0:20:43.560 --> 0:20:46.000 full time job to the main job being the main 0:20:46.080 --> 0:20:49.880 woman in this case under the guide that well she's 0:20:49.880 --> 0:20:52.560 a female that checked the box. Which also make it 0:20:52.600 --> 0:20:56.600 interesting aside, is what's the if they replaced Terry Thiji 0:20:57.440 --> 0:21:02.840 with a white dude. That doesn't look good when it 0:21:02.840 --> 0:21:05.320 comes to diversity, it right, because a lot of the 0:21:05.320 --> 0:21:08.080 times when you know, when Chief Elliott Isaac left or 0:21:08.119 --> 0:21:10.800 when a previous chiefs left, is like, well, you know, 0:21:10.840 --> 0:21:12.880 you can't replace a black guy with a white guy, 0:21:13.000 --> 0:21:14.840 or you can in this case probably well a woman 0:21:14.880 --> 0:21:15.360 with a guy. 0:21:15.560 --> 0:21:16.919 I just it's it doesn't look good. 0:21:17.000 --> 0:21:19.879 And so it's interesting how all of the you know, 0:21:19.880 --> 0:21:23.880 the diversity and the DEI and all that stuff goes 0:21:23.880 --> 0:21:26.040 out the window when bullets are flying around and you 0:21:26.080 --> 0:21:29.080 have a you know, and it's threatening your occupation as 0:21:29.119 --> 0:21:32.320 a professional politician like Aftad pier Vall into a degree 0:21:32.320 --> 0:21:32.800 shir along. 0:21:33.440 --> 0:21:34.080 Very interesting. 0:21:34.440 --> 0:21:37.440 So we'll see if the first woman hired a Cincinnati 0:21:37.480 --> 0:21:41.080 police chief, if they replace her with another woman because 0:21:41.119 --> 0:21:46.440 of well, you know, DEI and I may you know, 0:21:46.680 --> 0:21:48.720 it could be a black man, black woman woman. Man, 0:21:48.800 --> 0:21:51.280 I don't care. Just hire someone who's competent. Be course, 0:21:51.320 --> 0:21:54.040 the problem is the fact that they're hamsterring by the 0:21:54.040 --> 0:21:57.520 mayor's office, something that people voted for back in two 0:21:57.520 --> 0:21:59.760 thousand and one with Issue five that said you know 0:22:00.040 --> 0:22:04.120 longer no, you know. Basically, the FOP has no say 0:22:04.160 --> 0:22:07.440 we're going to go outside of Cincinnati, hire the best candidate. Well, 0:22:08.880 --> 0:22:10.320 you one of the guys, the best candidate. There's a 0:22:10.320 --> 0:22:12.000 lot of ifs in there. There's a lot of qualifiers, 0:22:12.040 --> 0:22:14.480 there's a lot of ISM's in there, you know, sexism, racism, 0:22:14.480 --> 0:22:16.840 et cetera. Instead of finding the best person, we have 0:22:16.880 --> 0:22:19.240 to find a person who looks diverse. So to check 0:22:19.240 --> 0:22:22.760 the diversity bocs first. I'm not saying certainly, diversity I 0:22:22.760 --> 0:22:25.160 think is a good thing, but it has to be natural, 0:22:25.280 --> 0:22:28.000 has to be organic. And also what about hiring the 0:22:28.000 --> 0:22:29.720 best person for the job and then letting them do 0:22:29.720 --> 0:22:31.600 what they do. I think that's the problem here because 0:22:31.760 --> 0:22:34.360 it's pretty clear regardless that she's a woman, or she's 0:22:34.359 --> 0:22:36.000 a white woman or a black woman, it doesn't been 0:22:36.000 --> 0:22:39.359 disabled it I don't care. Just find someone who's competent 0:22:39.400 --> 0:22:41.840 and let them do the job. We don't have that 0:22:41.880 --> 0:22:44.119 because they Issue five and can control the mayor's office. 0:22:44.160 --> 0:22:46.000 So when she comes to office and the first thing 0:22:46.040 --> 0:22:49.880 she says three years ago, is is it about you know? 0:22:50.320 --> 0:22:52.399 Is it about juvenile crime? It's about bad guys, it's 0:22:52.400 --> 0:22:54.359 about guns on the streets, it's about public Sif no, 0:22:54.480 --> 0:22:57.040 it's about being inclusive and working in the confides of 0:22:57.080 --> 0:22:59.399 collaborative agreement that led to where we are now three 0:22:59.480 --> 0:23:02.199 years later. Just pointing that out. How is that on 0:23:02.320 --> 0:23:05.359 Terry Thiji? I don't see it because she is just 0:23:05.359 --> 0:23:07.920 simply playing by the boy. If you want the job 0:23:07.960 --> 0:23:10.520 and the title of police chief and everything that goes 0:23:10.560 --> 0:23:13.000 along with that, the heartaches, the headaches, but also the 0:23:13.040 --> 0:23:17.560 compensation and the notoriety because you're going to go and 0:23:17.600 --> 0:23:19.359 make a lot more money as a consultant probably there 0:23:19.359 --> 0:23:22.120 as a police chief. But nonetheless, if that's the rules 0:23:22.119 --> 0:23:23.760 of the game and engagement, you want that job, and 0:23:23.760 --> 0:23:26.800 who wouldn't want that job, then you're going to do 0:23:26.920 --> 0:23:29.640 and say, enact and dance the song the piper's calling, 0:23:29.680 --> 0:23:32.320 and the piper is the mayor. I think we got 0:23:32.359 --> 0:23:33.639 to get I think we made a mistake in two 0:23:33.680 --> 0:23:36.359 thousand and one when voters said, hey, yeah, that's what 0:23:36.400 --> 0:23:39.399 we want. I think what you need to do you 0:23:39.440 --> 0:23:40.760 need to have somebody in there who's going to be 0:23:41.160 --> 0:23:47.120 a good cop there, not punitive, enforce the laws, take 0:23:47.160 --> 0:23:49.720 the bad guys off the street, put them away, work 0:23:49.760 --> 0:23:53.520 with the prosecutor's office, do all that stuff, be accountable, 0:23:53.680 --> 0:23:59.320 but also be a cop. And we've got, unfortunately, people 0:23:59.359 --> 0:24:02.960 who are theatrical I think in a way if you 0:24:02.960 --> 0:24:04.240 want to put it that way, because I think there's 0:24:04.240 --> 0:24:06.040 a lot of theatrics with what's going on here too. 0:24:06.080 --> 0:24:09.520 But you know, just again, you're hired. Your job is 0:24:09.560 --> 0:24:11.480 to enforce the laws and make sure that the bad 0:24:11.520 --> 0:24:13.960 guys are segregated from the good guys. There's very very few, 0:24:14.000 --> 0:24:15.600 really really bad people out there. We need to make 0:24:15.640 --> 0:24:17.520 sure they don't socialize with the rest of us. That's 0:24:17.520 --> 0:24:19.720 all this is. But when you put all these other 0:24:19.840 --> 0:24:25.920 artificial whims in there, it doesn't help. So Terry Thiji 0:24:25.960 --> 0:24:28.159 just last year she was remember when she showed up 0:24:28.200 --> 0:24:31.359 to the school board meeting to do a I think 0:24:31.400 --> 0:24:33.440 it was a prevent youth violence thing. She went at 0:24:33.440 --> 0:24:36.280 metro stations. Look, we had thirty arrests last year. I 0:24:36.280 --> 0:24:39.600 think during the month of August. I think right before 0:24:39.600 --> 0:24:41.800 school there was a bunch of arrests because kids are 0:24:41.800 --> 0:24:44.720 hanging around the metro station again and government square causing problems, 0:24:44.760 --> 0:24:47.560 and of course that's because the juvenile justice system is broken. 0:24:47.600 --> 0:24:50.240 It's a way too lenient, and police round them up 0:24:50.240 --> 0:24:51.840 and then the judges don't put the fear of God 0:24:51.840 --> 0:24:53.359 into them to make them do it again, and they 0:24:53.359 --> 0:24:54.879 send them off with a slap on the wrist and 0:24:54.880 --> 0:24:57.000 they go out and they do far worse stuff. And 0:24:57.080 --> 0:24:59.600 so cops on the street are undermined. I don't know 0:24:59.640 --> 0:25:03.680 how that is on the chief of police. This summer, 0:25:03.720 --> 0:25:06.240 we had multiple shootings. Fourth of July weekend was not 0:25:06.320 --> 0:25:07.879 a good one. We had three at the banks and 0:25:07.880 --> 0:25:09.960 Smellburn Front Park. We had a fourteen year old killed. 0:25:10.000 --> 0:25:12.600 We had the street takeover in Clifton, which Steve Gooden 0:25:12.640 --> 0:25:15.080 talks about because cops and our fire couldn't go on runs. 0:25:15.119 --> 0:25:19.119 They're delayed, and we had two cops the target of 0:25:19.119 --> 0:25:21.600 gunfire in Clifton. And that's when the chief yelled at 0:25:21.600 --> 0:25:23.840 the media about they need to be more honest and transparent. 0:25:23.920 --> 0:25:27.600 That was the whole you know what crime is down? Well, 0:25:27.640 --> 0:25:29.400 now the chiefs yell at the media about being more 0:25:29.400 --> 0:25:34.680 honest about things, and now where's is amisty there? So 0:25:35.280 --> 0:25:37.119 I saw that when we heard they're yelling at the 0:25:37.119 --> 0:25:42.119 media about being more transparent, more honest about reporting. She's 0:25:42.160 --> 0:25:45.520 just covering for the mayor. So she was again dancing 0:25:45.560 --> 0:25:49.399 the dance. Mayor's playing the tune. Just tell people the 0:25:49.400 --> 0:25:50.920 crime is fine, there's not a crime problem. 0:25:50.920 --> 0:25:51.280 We're good. 0:25:51.280 --> 0:25:55.240 The numbers don't back that up. Well, when you sit 0:25:55.280 --> 0:25:56.880 there and luxury people and say you need to learn 0:25:56.920 --> 0:25:58.800 how to behave in your city, and you become a meme, 0:25:59.359 --> 0:26:06.320 you know, the police chief, Mama mem I think you 0:26:06.440 --> 0:26:09.040 kind of lose your your juice there, and that's what 0:26:09.119 --> 0:26:11.760 happened with Terry Thigi. Yeah, look overall, how much is 0:26:11.800 --> 0:26:13.760 this on her? I don't know very little about I 0:26:13.800 --> 0:26:16.280 would say, now, talk to your average beat cop. I 0:26:16.320 --> 0:26:17.680 know that there are a lot of cops aren't happy 0:26:17.720 --> 0:26:20.040 with Terry Thigi. But again, this is someone who is 0:26:20.080 --> 0:26:24.880 hired by an administration to carry out the diversity, equity 0:26:24.880 --> 0:26:27.560 and inclusivity. And she said that when she was hired 0:26:27.640 --> 0:26:30.640 because that was hitting her head by after pival by, 0:26:30.680 --> 0:26:33.520 sheer long By, Iris Rawley and all the others getting 0:26:33.520 --> 0:26:36.080 in her ear like this isn't about policing, this is 0:26:36.119 --> 0:26:42.119 about diversity and how could that possibly surprise you that 0:26:42.160 --> 0:26:44.640 we are where we are three years, three short years later. 0:26:44.680 --> 0:26:46.760 And the person who said, okay, these are the terms 0:26:46.800 --> 0:26:47.760 of the condition to my oppoinment. 0:26:47.800 --> 0:26:48.040 Great. 0:26:48.320 --> 0:26:49.600 You know, I don't know about you. You show up 0:26:49.600 --> 0:26:52.200 to work, your boss tells you to do something. Here's 0:26:52.240 --> 0:26:53.879 the job, here's going I hire you to do, and 0:26:53.920 --> 0:26:58.120 these are the the parameters of your job. Generally, most 0:26:58.160 --> 0:27:01.879 sane people go, okay, I'll do what they ask I 0:27:01.920 --> 0:27:05.480 will do my job. When the parameters established by the man, 0:27:06.920 --> 0:27:08.679 no one's going to go. Very few people are going 0:27:08.680 --> 0:27:09.879 to go, I'm gonna do my own I'm gonna go 0:27:09.960 --> 0:27:12.160 rogue here. That's not gonna be good for your longevity 0:27:12.240 --> 0:27:14.439 that company. I'd imagine the same is true of the 0:27:14.440 --> 0:27:19.280 police chief. But just let's look at the construct in 0:27:19.320 --> 0:27:21.440 which she came into office and what she was guided by. 0:27:22.680 --> 0:27:24.879 Initially, and this was not long ago. We had the 0:27:24.880 --> 0:27:26.879 Cincinnati crime Plan. Remember this. 0:27:27.000 --> 0:27:29.280 They kind of downplayed this one when we had a 0:27:29.359 --> 0:27:31.040 you know, the idea is we've got too many kids 0:27:31.080 --> 0:27:34.919 getting guns. And the end result after this is we 0:27:34.960 --> 0:27:37.200 have now more kids getting guns. So how did this work? 0:27:37.240 --> 0:27:39.760 We downplayed the Cincinnati because they want to do diversion 0:27:39.800 --> 0:27:44.120 instead of a youth gun possession cases instead of formal prosecution, 0:27:44.760 --> 0:27:47.560 especially for first time offenders. And we're going to limit 0:27:47.560 --> 0:27:50.240 the detention for youth charged with gun possession and eliminate 0:27:50.280 --> 0:27:51.800 the transfers. We're not going to kick them up to 0:27:51.800 --> 0:27:54.399 adult court anymore. And we need more community based violence 0:27:54.400 --> 0:27:57.560 interruption programs. How is that working? Where's all that money going? 0:27:58.480 --> 0:28:00.280 Safe to say, I think a lot of it going 0:28:00.280 --> 0:28:02.920 to the pockets of people who don't really have a plan, 0:28:03.160 --> 0:28:05.440 but they got their hand out. And there's a lot 0:28:05.480 --> 0:28:07.320 of government every time we pass something, you know, the 0:28:07.359 --> 0:28:09.000 four and a half million dollars we give the cops. 0:28:09.119 --> 0:28:10.800 You start look in the details of that and I 0:28:10.800 --> 0:28:12.840 haven't had time or the inclination to do it, but 0:28:13.560 --> 0:28:14.800 you start looking at that, it go wow, Look at 0:28:14.840 --> 0:28:16.679 up the programs. Look at my handouts in this community, 0:28:16.680 --> 0:28:18.680 this community Membrogans and somebody is getting this and we've 0:28:18.680 --> 0:28:21.119 got this program and there's no accountability for any of 0:28:21.160 --> 0:28:23.639 this stuff. It's just paying people off to go along 0:28:23.640 --> 0:28:28.720 with the plan. But the plan doesn't work. Now in retrospect, 0:28:28.760 --> 0:28:32.919 are the summer offering diversion and limiting youth detention and 0:28:32.960 --> 0:28:33.680 all that stuff. 0:28:34.119 --> 0:28:37.600 The optics of this aren't very good. You know, when 0:28:37.920 --> 0:28:38.280 Terry E. 0:28:38.320 --> 0:28:41.360 Thigi comes into office and she says in her press conference, 0:28:41.400 --> 0:28:45.360 and this is about continuing diversity, equity, inclusion, this is 0:28:45.400 --> 0:28:49.080 about the collaborative agreement. And she's looking at Iris Rawley, 0:28:49.080 --> 0:28:50.600 and she's looking at your along and she's looking at 0:28:50.600 --> 0:28:53.240 them and all these things, and then you know you're 0:28:53.280 --> 0:28:55.520 a few three years later we have the literally the 0:28:55.520 --> 0:28:58.640 wheel swallow off the cart. What happened all those programs 0:28:58.640 --> 0:29:00.280 one of those grand ideas well, if those of the 0:29:01.080 --> 0:29:04.120 those are the conditions in which you were taught by 0:29:04.160 --> 0:29:06.320 the people who are holding the carrot out that is 0:29:06.360 --> 0:29:09.560 the job, then you're gonna do everything to get that carrot. 0:29:09.680 --> 0:29:11.960 I don't see how any of this is on Terry Thiji. 0:29:13.040 --> 0:29:15.360 What was the response from the city when we started 0:29:15.360 --> 0:29:16.880 having a lot more of this crime? This is way, 0:29:16.920 --> 0:29:19.280 but this is before Patrick Herringer got shot and everything 0:29:19.600 --> 0:29:21.960 the city spent. I think I had Crammer doing on talking 0:29:21.960 --> 0:29:25.200 about this two hundred thousand dollars to keep the red 0:29:25.240 --> 0:29:27.880 bike program in Cincinnati going, and we spent like two 0:29:27.920 --> 0:29:30.320 million dollars over the years on the red bikes. So 0:29:30.440 --> 0:29:32.719 Cheryl Long comes out and says, well, we know that 0:29:32.760 --> 0:29:35.640 the bikes and the scooters are being used as tools 0:29:35.680 --> 0:29:38.640 to commit property crimes and steal guns and help criminals 0:29:38.680 --> 0:29:40.840 of aid cops. And so what we're gonna do now 0:29:41.000 --> 0:29:46.479 is we're gonna shut down the red bikes. What Then 0:29:46.520 --> 0:29:49.520 they doubled down and went, Okay, Hamila County Probation Department, 0:29:49.560 --> 0:29:50.840 here's what we're gonna do. We're coming up with a 0:29:50.840 --> 0:29:53.000 new model here because we got to do something serious. 0:29:53.120 --> 0:29:56.480 We're gonna take thirty probation field officers and cut that 0:29:56.600 --> 0:29:59.440 down to six. So we've got six probation officers doing 0:29:59.480 --> 0:30:02.000 home visits for thirty eight hundred convicted felons. That's one 0:30:02.040 --> 0:30:05.120 for over six hundred and thirtyth offenders, one for six hundred. 0:30:06.040 --> 0:30:09.440 Because we're going to centralize our parole department instead of 0:30:09.440 --> 0:30:10.480 having substations. 0:30:10.680 --> 0:30:11.560 Does that make any sense? 0:30:12.920 --> 0:30:17.240 Then Patrick Harringer's murder comes along. Mordecai Black murder, aggravated 0:30:17.240 --> 0:30:21.760 burglary kills the skuy stabs him in the neck inside 0:30:21.800 --> 0:30:23.480 his home on East mcmick and his wife, his poor 0:30:23.520 --> 0:30:25.560 wife standing right there. A tragedy made worse by the 0:30:25.560 --> 0:30:27.480 fact shouldn't have never been out of jail. And the 0:30:27.520 --> 0:30:29.720 indifference of city leaders is the worst part about that. 0:30:30.120 --> 0:30:32.080 We had two cops on patrol that night in all 0:30:32.120 --> 0:30:34.000 of OTR and a guy is walking around with the 0:30:34.040 --> 0:30:36.280 machete and nobody saw him because we're one hundred and 0:30:36.280 --> 0:30:39.840 fifty cops short. How is that on Terry Fiji. Terry 0:30:39.840 --> 0:30:41.840 Thiji would have fifteen hundred cops who were up to 0:30:41.880 --> 0:30:44.160 her like I want more cops on the job, not fewer. 0:30:46.000 --> 0:30:48.960 And Mordecai Black's jacket he had thirty four cases about 0:30:49.000 --> 0:30:52.200 four pages of crime on this pos over the last 0:30:52.200 --> 0:30:55.640 twenty years. And then to add insult to injury. And 0:30:55.680 --> 0:30:58.680 then something no one can explain to this date is 0:30:58.760 --> 0:31:01.960 why she was handcuffed and held for eight hours before 0:31:02.000 --> 0:31:04.680 released when her husband was murdered right in front of her. 0:31:04.720 --> 0:31:07.560 I get that initially it's always the person around closest 0:31:07.600 --> 0:31:10.160 to you who is usually responsible. But it was pretty 0:31:10.160 --> 0:31:12.480 clear I think it did it take eight hours to 0:31:12.520 --> 0:31:13.200 figure that out? 0:31:13.440 --> 0:31:13.560 Now? 0:31:15.160 --> 0:31:15.400 Now? 0:31:15.480 --> 0:31:17.120 And the reaction from map to a pure of all 0:31:17.240 --> 0:31:22.320 forty eight hours after his murder on x he posts 0:31:22.320 --> 0:31:25.080 not about the murder, not about this is not acceptable, 0:31:25.160 --> 0:31:29.080 not talked about opening cutting the ribbon on Logan Commons, 0:31:29.240 --> 0:31:31.880 which is forty two new affordable homes for residents right 0:31:31.920 --> 0:31:34.880 next to Findley Market. Literally stepped away from her. Patrick 0:31:34.880 --> 0:31:38.480 Herringer was bludgeoned to death, killed murdered in his throat 0:31:38.520 --> 0:31:40.360 slit with a machete by Mordecai Black. 0:31:40.760 --> 0:31:41.680 Talk about tone death. 0:31:42.720 --> 0:31:45.240 We had a guy leaving an FC game and that 0:31:45.360 --> 0:31:48.400 story was tamped down by the city because they're worried 0:31:48.400 --> 0:31:50.520 about scaring people away from going to f Sea games. 0:31:51.600 --> 0:31:54.680 This guy cares about getting re elected. He cares about 0:31:54.760 --> 0:31:58.880 sun dance, he cares about pride, He cares about blaming 0:31:58.880 --> 0:32:01.040 the white guy for the rye, which I haven't even 0:32:01.040 --> 0:32:04.000 gotten to yet, and all that stuff. This guy has 0:32:04.080 --> 0:32:08.080 absolutely no sense about what it is what you need 0:32:08.120 --> 0:32:10.080 to do to make sure we have law and order. 0:32:10.120 --> 0:32:13.360 It's not as vocabular because everything that he subscribes ascribes 0:32:13.400 --> 0:32:16.360 to I think has been turned upside down. All his 0:32:16.480 --> 0:32:20.240 theories and beliefs about how to run a police department 0:32:20.480 --> 0:32:23.720 has been blown up because criminals take advantage of that naivete. 0:32:25.800 --> 0:32:27.000 You know, a job as a kid, if you're a 0:32:27.000 --> 0:32:28.479 little kid, is to try and get away as much 0:32:28.520 --> 0:32:32.440 crap as you can. The job of a criminal is that, 0:32:32.680 --> 0:32:34.480 but on a much more serious level because you have 0:32:34.520 --> 0:32:37.920 real victims in here. You don't have kids sneaking cookies right, 0:32:38.040 --> 0:32:40.280 stealing change at a mom's purse or something like that, 0:32:41.800 --> 0:32:45.880 trying to jump out a window to escape curfew. You 0:32:45.960 --> 0:32:47.840 have people who are praying out of the people, Mordecai 0:32:47.840 --> 0:32:50.800 Black and others. And the answer is that, hey, you 0:32:50.840 --> 0:32:52.520 know what, we got to start splitting wigs here. We 0:32:52.560 --> 0:32:53.920 got to go after these people. We got to put 0:32:53.960 --> 0:32:56.120 them behind bars. We got to quit, do you know, 0:32:56.120 --> 0:32:59.480 we quit releasing their own recognizance. We got to make 0:32:59.520 --> 0:33:01.600 sure that the co are not out there. We don't 0:33:01.600 --> 0:33:03.320 want to talk to people. We don't want to stop 0:33:03.320 --> 0:33:06.920 people for jaywalking. We don't want to stop someone iris 0:33:07.000 --> 0:33:09.400 rawling in telling a cop what to do when they're 0:33:09.400 --> 0:33:12.840 hooking someone because they've they're wanted. No, you can't do that. 0:33:12.880 --> 0:33:14.440 You got to let them go. Well wait a minute, 0:33:14.440 --> 0:33:16.120 they're wanted, they've been worn out for their arrest. No 0:33:16.240 --> 0:33:18.760 you can't. You're harassing them. You have rights too. We're 0:33:18.800 --> 0:33:21.560 listening to that element instead of common sense and says 0:33:21.840 --> 0:33:23.240 there are people out there that they're going to take 0:33:23.240 --> 0:33:27.560 advantage of how naive you are, and I didn't even 0:33:27.560 --> 0:33:29.320 get to things like, you know, the food trucks being 0:33:29.360 --> 0:33:32.200 done at eleven o'clock and all this other nonsense. And 0:33:32.240 --> 0:33:35.040 then finally, because of all these failed policies, grasping its 0:33:35.120 --> 0:33:38.560 draws in doing everything in your power to ignore the 0:33:38.600 --> 0:33:41.520 real problem, you then turn around and go, well, I 0:33:41.520 --> 0:33:43.720 guess we're gonna have to let the chief go. How 0:33:43.760 --> 0:33:47.800 in the hell is this on the chief? Steven m 0:33:48.080 --> 0:33:50.600 is an attorney with the Finny Law firm. He is 0:33:50.720 --> 0:33:52.800 a unemployment lawyer. He's a really good one. I've had 0:33:52.880 --> 0:33:55.080 him on a few times on my show. He is 0:33:55.440 --> 0:33:58.120 also representing, by the way, talking about checked up the 0:33:58.120 --> 0:34:02.600 city is the former chief of fire fire chief in 0:34:02.640 --> 0:34:05.560 the city, mister Washington. He's repping him in his dismissal 0:34:05.600 --> 0:34:08.000 as well. So now he's gonna rep Thigi and i'd 0:34:08.000 --> 0:34:09.960 imagine so I got some stuff to say. So when 0:34:10.000 --> 0:34:11.799 he breaks out, we will break in at sometime at 0:34:11.840 --> 0:34:14.840 ten o'clock or thereafter, we'll have that press confidence for 0:34:14.920 --> 0:34:16.680 you live. I don't think CIGI will be there. If 0:34:16.680 --> 0:34:18.759 she is, she won't talk, But I'm guessing it's just 0:34:18.760 --> 0:34:21.160 going to be Steve im in a podium, and I'm 0:34:21.200 --> 0:34:22.600 interested to hear what he has to say about this 0:34:22.640 --> 0:34:24.759 whole situation I just laid out for you. I don't 0:34:24.760 --> 0:34:27.480 see how much of this, if any, is on Chief Thigi. 0:34:27.520 --> 0:34:29.879 I see a lot of it on a fouled administration 0:34:30.120 --> 0:34:34.520 that's doing everything to grasp and fight to stay in power. Meanwhile, 0:34:34.680 --> 0:34:36.480 how much is it going to cost you, mister and 0:34:36.480 --> 0:34:40.360 missus stax Bear to pay Terry Thigi off because of 0:34:40.400 --> 0:34:44.560 this incompetence? While we're gonna find out. Coming up Scott's 0:34:44.560 --> 0:34:48.600 Loan News Radio seven hundred wl All right, Catching up 0:34:48.600 --> 0:34:51.400 here Scott's Loan seven hundred WLW Live. You heard the 0:34:51.680 --> 0:34:55.080 voice of Stephen m attorney from the Finny Law firm 0:34:55.160 --> 0:34:59.479 for Terry Thigi. She's on paid administrative leave as chief 0:34:59.520 --> 0:35:03.800 from the City Cincinnati, standing behind in the civilian clothes, 0:35:03.840 --> 0:35:06.040 not speaking. Obviously, let the lawyer do the talking, for 0:35:06.239 --> 0:35:10.000 she's always smart. We've heard that Terry Thiji, a cops 0:35:10.040 --> 0:35:12.239 cop here, a long family cops and law enforcement in 0:35:12.239 --> 0:35:14.319 Cincinnati from the West Side, was asked to resign. She 0:35:14.440 --> 0:35:18.680 refused because there's no cause, and on her thirty fifth 0:35:18.680 --> 0:35:21.360 anniversary of her start on the job as a police office. 0:35:21.400 --> 0:35:24.400 She finds out that she's being put on paid administrator 0:35:24.400 --> 0:35:26.359 to leave, meaning we're looking for reasons. Now we don't 0:35:26.360 --> 0:35:28.480 have reason to fire you. We're looking for reasons, and 0:35:28.520 --> 0:35:30.759 we're going to put you on unpaid administrative leave. So 0:35:30.800 --> 0:35:33.080 what we got right now is a good old standoff. 0:35:33.080 --> 0:35:36.239 If she stays, she gets the authority to do her job. 0:35:36.440 --> 0:35:39.120 If she goes, it's going to cost you and missus 0:35:39.160 --> 0:35:41.960 tax payer millions and millions of dollars that you can 0:35:42.040 --> 0:35:44.480 all afford. And it doesn't really solve the issue on 0:35:44.520 --> 0:35:47.960 this with some instant reaction is the president of the 0:35:48.000 --> 0:35:50.279 Queen City Lodge of the FOP, that's Ken Kober, can't 0:35:50.280 --> 0:35:51.600 appreciate you jumping in this morning. 0:35:52.560 --> 0:35:53.680 Sure, thanks you to mis step. 0:35:53.760 --> 0:35:55.799 Looks like the no confidence vote you had for this 0:35:55.880 --> 0:36:00.399 administration really really stands up at this point, isn't it. 0:36:01.560 --> 0:36:03.879 Yeah. I mean they've fumbled this from the get go. 0:36:04.520 --> 0:36:06.400 You have the chief fly across the country only the 0:36:06.480 --> 0:36:09.480 land in Denver go to go to a conference representing 0:36:09.520 --> 0:36:11.719 the city in the police department only to tell her 0:36:11.719 --> 0:36:14.319 to come home. And then I mean what we've seen 0:36:14.360 --> 0:36:17.080 over the last five days is just absolutely, they fumbled 0:36:17.280 --> 0:36:18.600 this whole thing. It's terrible. 0:36:18.880 --> 0:36:23.440 Well, in addition to that, the person they appointed chief, Henny, 0:36:23.840 --> 0:36:27.480 is the interim chief now and according to sheerlong city manager, 0:36:27.600 --> 0:36:30.200 she said, he has my full support. I'm confident in 0:36:30.200 --> 0:36:32.560 his leadership. I don't know if he's in the next chief, 0:36:32.600 --> 0:36:34.920 but this is the command officer who signed a citation 0:36:35.760 --> 0:36:37.560 against the white guy in the in the brawl in 0:36:37.640 --> 0:36:40.520 July at the urging of the mayor, which is purely political, 0:36:40.640 --> 0:36:44.200 not criminal. Even though Henny wasn't on the scene. He 0:36:44.320 --> 0:36:47.439 ran the Central business district and that had the highest 0:36:47.440 --> 0:36:49.319 spike in crime this year. The optics of that are 0:36:49.360 --> 0:36:51.160 bad for the it gets. It goes from bad to 0:36:51.200 --> 0:36:52.040 worse for these guys. 0:36:53.120 --> 0:36:55.520 Yeah, I'll tell you the optics are certainly not good. 0:36:55.560 --> 0:36:58.799 But I will say this about Colonel Henny, as you 0:36:58.800 --> 0:37:01.719 know that hold the back. He was doing nothing but 0:37:01.880 --> 0:37:05.600 protecting investigators from having to do what they just said 0:37:05.640 --> 0:37:07.880 I'm not going to do. And instead of them facing 0:37:07.960 --> 0:37:10.759 the consequences for standing up to it, you know, he 0:37:10.840 --> 0:37:12.840 stepped in and he protected cops, which is something that 0:37:12.880 --> 0:37:13.880 we certainly all appreciate it. 0:37:13.960 --> 0:37:16.000 Yeah, I agree with that from a cops perspective, like 0:37:16.000 --> 0:37:17.320 he got our backs. I'm not going to let the 0:37:17.640 --> 0:37:20.240 rank and file take take the fall on this. But again, 0:37:21.480 --> 0:37:23.240 I don't know what the ethic. I think that's pretty 0:37:23.320 --> 0:37:25.799 unethical though, is that you're told by the mayor to 0:37:25.840 --> 0:37:28.239 do something. It's like, that's not how our justice system works. 0:37:28.239 --> 0:37:30.640 As much as these people spend complaining about Donald Trump, 0:37:30.920 --> 0:37:33.400 you just did the exact same thing that you're allegedly against. 0:37:33.400 --> 0:37:36.799 But I digress a little bit. And the other thing too, 0:37:36.880 --> 0:37:39.600 is if she were effective as chief, why would we 0:37:39.640 --> 0:37:41.279 have so much violent crime. I think that's the big 0:37:41.360 --> 0:37:43.960 question here, is like, well, violent crime has continue to 0:37:43.960 --> 0:37:45.440 go up. The optics are bad on this. We have 0:37:45.600 --> 0:37:47.440 Fountain Square, we had the shooting in front of the 0:37:47.440 --> 0:37:49.520 in between. It just keeps coming and coming and coming 0:37:49.560 --> 0:37:52.400 despite what we do. And yet it wasn't all long 0:37:52.440 --> 0:37:54.480 ago we said, hey, you know, things are effective. She's 0:37:54.480 --> 0:37:56.880 doing a good job. I mean, if you're effective at something, 0:37:57.040 --> 0:37:58.799 we should have less violent crime, not more. 0:38:00.200 --> 0:38:01.880 Well, this just proves what we know along and it 0:38:01.920 --> 0:38:04.160 proves what I've been saying all along, which is we 0:38:04.200 --> 0:38:07.080 need to keep politics out of policing. When you have 0:38:07.320 --> 0:38:10.479 the city manager, the mayor who over over at City 0:38:10.520 --> 0:38:12.640 Hall is telling her what she can and can't do. 0:38:13.160 --> 0:38:18.080 It's proving that that's failing. Chief Deji has the ability 0:38:18.440 --> 0:38:21.240 to be an affected police chief. Unfortunately she's not given 0:38:21.239 --> 0:38:23.440 that ability right now, and when she's told what to 0:38:23.480 --> 0:38:26.239 do by city Hall, she's told what she can can't do. 0:38:26.680 --> 0:38:28.359 The end result is that this is what we have. 0:38:28.760 --> 0:38:31.239 And this is ultimately why you know, the rank and 0:38:31.280 --> 0:38:33.960 file voted for voting no confidence against the mayor because 0:38:33.960 --> 0:38:36.799 they should allow the chief independently to do what she 0:38:36.840 --> 0:38:39.080 wants to do. And if she was screwing it up them, 0:38:39.120 --> 0:38:41.000 then by all means do something about it. But the 0:38:41.000 --> 0:38:43.240 fact that they didn't fire their asking her to resign 0:38:43.440 --> 0:38:44.480 says everything you need to know. 0:38:44.880 --> 0:38:47.319 Yeah, and this isn't her exit, this is about keeping 0:38:47.360 --> 0:38:50.200 hers with Steve im said, So she has no desire 0:38:50.239 --> 0:38:52.640 to go quietly. Actually she's going to go rather violently, 0:38:52.680 --> 0:38:54.000 and it's going to cost a lot of money to 0:38:54.000 --> 0:38:57.040 make her go away. I'm just wondering would the city 0:38:57.080 --> 0:38:59.480 give up authority because this is issue five. So let's talk 0:38:59.520 --> 0:39:02.360 about that background in that it came after Timothy Thomas 0:39:02.480 --> 0:39:04.640 was shot and killed in two thousand and one caused 0:39:04.640 --> 0:39:06.960 the riots. We had a charter amendment. The issue that 0:39:07.040 --> 0:39:09.480 passed I believe in November that year with just over 0:39:09.560 --> 0:39:11.480 fifty percent of the vote, I think fifty fifty one 0:39:11.560 --> 0:39:14.959 fifty two percent. But essentially the Issue five you've mentioned 0:39:15.000 --> 0:39:17.120 that a lot ken is that the city manager in 0:39:17.160 --> 0:39:19.480 this case here, along as the power to hire and 0:39:19.520 --> 0:39:22.320 fire a police chief, fire chief, department, heads at whim 0:39:22.400 --> 0:39:25.920 at will, and there's no balance in that whatsoever. In 0:39:25.960 --> 0:39:27.799 the past, it used to be the FOP you guys 0:39:27.800 --> 0:39:29.200 had a little bit of a say in that. You 0:39:29.200 --> 0:39:31.239 don't have that anymore. Is that what lead to this? 0:39:32.800 --> 0:39:35.760 Well, sure, you know. And ultimately with that passing, allowing 0:39:35.840 --> 0:39:38.520 one person to have sole authority as to whether you 0:39:38.719 --> 0:39:42.520 fire a police chief or a fire chief. It's been 0:39:42.560 --> 0:39:45.200 proven with the fire chief. It's now been proven with 0:39:45.320 --> 0:39:47.040 what's going on with Chief Figi that this is a 0:39:47.120 --> 0:39:51.160 terrible idea. There has to be changes to Issue five, 0:39:51.600 --> 0:39:53.719 otherwise we're going to continue to see the same thing. 0:39:53.880 --> 0:39:56.200 Doesn't matter who you make the police chief, as long 0:39:56.239 --> 0:39:59.319 as city Hall still is making the decisions as to 0:39:59.400 --> 0:40:01.359 what's going to go on with the police department. This 0:40:01.440 --> 0:40:02.080 is what we're going to have. 0:40:02.360 --> 0:40:05.000 Yeah, he's Ken Cobert, President of the FOP. The reaction 0:40:05.120 --> 0:40:07.719 to Attorney Steve Imm's press conference he heard live on 0:40:07.719 --> 0:40:10.320 seven hundred Wow and on the stream via the iHeart 0:40:10.400 --> 0:40:13.120 radio app too, and that is saying we're fighting this. 0:40:13.239 --> 0:40:15.840 We're not going to let Terry Thiji take essentially be 0:40:15.880 --> 0:40:18.200 a sacrificial lamb, is what he called her, and said, 0:40:18.200 --> 0:40:21.640 this whole thing is disappointing and there's no justification or cause, 0:40:21.760 --> 0:40:24.480 which is a legal term, no cause because she took 0:40:24.520 --> 0:40:26.880 no action or inaction on her part to cause her 0:40:26.960 --> 0:40:29.799 termination or it looks like at least her suspension no wrongdoing, 0:40:30.160 --> 0:40:32.279 and they're going to fight this thing tooth and nail 0:40:32.640 --> 0:40:35.319 and we'll see what happens. But relative to Issue five 0:40:35.360 --> 0:40:37.640 in this case, I had some notes here from back 0:40:37.640 --> 0:40:40.040 in the day in two thousand and one, the manager 0:40:40.080 --> 0:40:42.960 for Issue five that we're talking about here said, this 0:40:43.040 --> 0:40:45.440 is how other cities do it, and of course, you know, 0:40:45.480 --> 0:40:47.279 if other cities do it well, then it's got to 0:40:47.280 --> 0:40:50.880 be successful for Cincinnati. At the time, your predecessor, Keith Fegman, 0:40:51.160 --> 0:40:54.920 remember Keith Keith was the FOP P president, and said, 0:40:55.680 --> 0:40:58.080 what's going to happen is it's going to politicize departments. 0:40:58.640 --> 0:41:01.680 What's going to happen is you're going to have politicians 0:41:01.680 --> 0:41:05.280 making decisions of law enforcement. And anytime that the something happens, 0:41:05.320 --> 0:41:08.000 it's bad. The chief is going to be a sacrificial 0:41:08.080 --> 0:41:10.600 and we'll have a revolving door. And in that case, 0:41:10.640 --> 0:41:13.359 he illustrated the Cleveland when they implemented this, they went 0:41:13.400 --> 0:41:16.359 through nine police chiefs I believe in less than eight 0:41:16.440 --> 0:41:19.919 years because of the system. And now Terry Thiji's gone 0:41:19.920 --> 0:41:22.720 after what three not quite three, We had a chief 0:41:22.719 --> 0:41:23.239 before them. 0:41:23.280 --> 0:41:25.160 It's just going to be a revolving door. 0:41:25.000 --> 0:41:28.880 Because the political will power exists and there's cover, politically speaking, 0:41:29.040 --> 0:41:31.920 to terminate the chief when in fact it's not the chief. 0:41:32.560 --> 0:41:34.920 It's kind of like our foot our sports teams can 0:41:35.120 --> 0:41:38.080 it's it's never the coach, the assistant coach, the line cut, 0:41:38.160 --> 0:41:40.080 it's always the ownership in the front office. 0:41:40.200 --> 0:41:40.840 That's what he's. 0:41:40.680 --> 0:41:44.000 Saying without a doubt. I mean, Keith, he was spot 0:41:44.040 --> 0:41:46.600 on when he said it. That was twenty four years ago. 0:41:46.920 --> 0:41:49.560 We saw with James Craig, he was the first cheat 0:41:49.600 --> 0:41:51.960 to hire outside this police department. To rank and file 0:41:52.080 --> 0:41:55.000 loved him. He refused to cave to pressure from city 0:41:55.040 --> 0:41:57.080 hall and after two years they went, thanks, but no, 0:41:57.160 --> 0:41:59.359 thanks you for gone. You know, we got another chief 0:41:59.360 --> 0:42:02.000 that came in, made it eighteen months they fired him. 0:42:02.400 --> 0:42:04.640 So this is no surprise that this is all coming 0:42:04.640 --> 0:42:06.680 to fruition and it needs to change. 0:42:07.440 --> 0:42:10.239 Can this change before you overturn issue Fiation five? I'd 0:42:10.239 --> 0:42:12.560 have to go back on the ballot. You'd have to 0:42:12.560 --> 0:42:14.759 figure out how to work around that because there was 0:42:15.120 --> 0:42:17.080 a charter amendment that passed in two thousand and one. 0:42:17.120 --> 0:42:19.000 A lot of work to overdo that and the will 0:42:19.000 --> 0:42:21.719 of the voters, of course, But can Chief d Is 0:42:21.719 --> 0:42:23.799 there room for her to come back and do her job? 0:42:25.120 --> 0:42:26.920 I don't know why she'd want to at this point, 0:42:27.280 --> 0:42:28.960 the way that she's been treated. I mean, you treat 0:42:29.000 --> 0:42:31.600 somebody as thirty five years you've given to the city, 0:42:31.640 --> 0:42:33.440 and this is how you're being treated. And I can 0:42:33.520 --> 0:42:35.000 tell you right now the cops are going If they're 0:42:35.000 --> 0:42:36.239 going to do this to the chief, what will they 0:42:36.239 --> 0:42:39.160 do to me. I don't know why you would want 0:42:39.160 --> 0:42:42.200 to come back. I just don't see a scenario where 0:42:42.200 --> 0:42:45.759 that happens, because then she's going to be constantly looking 0:42:45.760 --> 0:42:47.160 over her shoulder. What are they going to do to 0:42:47.200 --> 0:42:50.239 me next. I feel for them. Like I said, is 0:42:50.560 --> 0:42:53.200 this fight with the FOP in the city is just 0:42:53.280 --> 0:42:55.279 as much about Chief Fiji as it is for the 0:42:55.320 --> 0:42:57.560 next chief, for the chief after that and that chief 0:42:57.600 --> 0:43:00.359 fifty years from now. There has got to be changed made. 0:43:00.360 --> 0:43:01.799 And if I have to put all the effort in 0:43:01.840 --> 0:43:04.840 the world to the FOP to make sure that Issue 0:43:04.840 --> 0:43:06.920 five is changed, and that's exactly what we're going to do. 0:43:07.480 --> 0:43:08.120 Ken Kober. 0:43:08.760 --> 0:43:10.840 The name that was mentioned the cause Steve m to 0:43:10.920 --> 0:43:14.839 just simply pause, consider it and then say I can't 0:43:14.880 --> 0:43:16.640 comment on that was the name Iris Rawley. 0:43:16.760 --> 0:43:17.200 How much? 0:43:18.040 --> 0:43:20.520 How many fingerprints are on this, her fingerprints are on 0:43:20.560 --> 0:43:21.439 what's happening right now. 0:43:22.719 --> 0:43:25.480 You know, it's hard saying it wouldn't surprise me. But 0:43:25.640 --> 0:43:27.879 the problem is there was no transparency at city hall. 0:43:28.360 --> 0:43:30.560 That is the absolute problem. You had the mayor say 0:43:30.920 --> 0:43:34.200 after the press conference that we're exploring all all options, 0:43:34.200 --> 0:43:36.040 we're not sure if the chief's going to stay or not, 0:43:36.480 --> 0:43:38.760 and then all of a sudden, you know, nothing happens, 0:43:38.760 --> 0:43:40.520 and then the mayor comes out and says, oh, this 0:43:40.600 --> 0:43:42.279 is show a long decision, this is her It's not 0:43:42.320 --> 0:43:44.560 my decision. It's hers, and of course then she makes 0:43:44.560 --> 0:43:44.960 the decision. 0:43:45.040 --> 0:43:45.120 Go. 0:43:45.239 --> 0:43:48.400 I completely support her decision. It's just the lack of 0:43:48.440 --> 0:43:51.279 transparency is staggering coming from city Hall. 0:43:51.360 --> 0:43:53.240 Well, the fact of the matter, she goes to Denver, 0:43:53.520 --> 0:43:56.640 she gets recalled, there's an urgent message, there's an urgent 0:43:56.680 --> 0:43:58.840 issue in Cincinnati. We already had the Fountains Square shootings 0:43:58.880 --> 0:44:01.600 at this point, she's off to Denver. She comes back 0:44:01.840 --> 0:44:03.480 and now they go, well, we're going to suspend, you'll 0:44:03.520 --> 0:44:06.239 put you on paid leave. Why, Well, we can't say. 0:44:06.239 --> 0:44:08.640 We don't know, but here's the interim chief. And this 0:44:08.680 --> 0:44:11.719 whole thing has been handled so poorly. In drag Affter said, 0:44:11.719 --> 0:44:14.279 but it's decision after decision like this, you know, like 0:44:14.320 --> 0:44:18.000 one way after food carts and red bikes and breaking 0:44:18.080 --> 0:44:20.839 up the probation departments, all these things that actually made 0:44:20.920 --> 0:44:23.440 crime worse or had no impact on whatsoever. And now 0:44:23.600 --> 0:44:26.480 ultimately the last thing they have, the last quiver in 0:44:26.880 --> 0:44:30.200 their arsenal, is firing the chief. And I'll point out 0:44:30.280 --> 0:44:31.799 ken I read this earlier in the show, and I 0:44:31.800 --> 0:44:34.279 think it's worth pointing out again that when she was 0:44:34.360 --> 0:44:37.560 hired in twenty twenty two to replace Elliott, Isaac. She 0:44:37.640 --> 0:44:40.320 was an executive assistant chief, first woman to lead the department, 0:44:40.760 --> 0:44:44.520 and she said in her first interview or her swearing in, 0:44:44.840 --> 0:44:48.760 her priorities upon taking office were dedicated to inheering CPD 0:44:49.040 --> 0:44:52.959 is as inclusive as possible, and I'm committed wholeheartedly to 0:44:53.000 --> 0:44:56.480 continuing the work of the collaborative agreement. That sounds like 0:44:56.520 --> 0:44:59.359 someone who's saying that because she know how she got 0:44:59.360 --> 0:45:01.040 the job, like the those are the marching orders she 0:45:01.120 --> 0:45:04.400 was given by the administration as opposed to well dealing 0:45:04.400 --> 0:45:05.279 with street level crime. 0:45:06.480 --> 0:45:10.360 Yeah. Absolutely, you know, it's funny how this is all transpiring. 0:45:10.400 --> 0:45:10.560 Now. 0:45:10.560 --> 0:45:12.960 It's like making an arrest and then deciding what the 0:45:13.000 --> 0:45:18.319 crime is. I mean, that's literally, that's how ridiculous this is. 0:45:18.920 --> 0:45:20.680 We're gonna put you on leave until we can figure 0:45:20.680 --> 0:45:23.200 out why it is that we're actually going to fire you, 0:45:23.239 --> 0:45:25.320 and then we're going to do it. It's it's absolutely nonsense. 0:45:25.360 --> 0:45:29.000 And the rank and file recognizes that that You're, regardless 0:45:29.040 --> 0:45:31.960 of how they feel about her as the chief, how 0:45:31.960 --> 0:45:34.080 they feel about her as a police officer, none of 0:45:34.080 --> 0:45:35.880 that matters. The rank and files well, and this is 0:45:35.920 --> 0:45:38.400 at right to treat somebody this way and That's why 0:45:38.600 --> 0:45:40.480 I said that the police department of the rank and 0:45:40.520 --> 0:45:42.680 file has certainly been united over this. 0:45:43.320 --> 0:45:46.239 Well, it's a terrible thing, and that normally, if you're 0:45:46.239 --> 0:45:48.520 looking to get rid of somebody, and I've worked for 0:45:48.600 --> 0:45:50.960 places and work for places where they're always looking at 0:45:51.000 --> 0:45:53.880 you know, cut, cut some baggage, lose, they build a file. 0:45:54.040 --> 0:45:56.640 They go, okay, well this person is doing this. Okay, 0:45:56.680 --> 0:45:58.760 we've got a file. We've got to and you build 0:45:58.840 --> 0:46:01.440 a history so that if you have to terminate someone, 0:46:01.719 --> 0:46:03.799 you can point to that and go it's not discrimination, 0:46:04.000 --> 0:46:04.680 it's for cause. 0:46:04.719 --> 0:46:06.799 Here's the causes. They don't have that here. 0:46:06.840 --> 0:46:10.719 They suspended her paid administrative leave, and now they're looking 0:46:10.800 --> 0:46:12.640 for reasons to go back and say, here's why we 0:46:12.680 --> 0:46:15.880 put you on leave. And this could go on for 0:46:15.920 --> 0:46:17.640 weeks and weeks and weeks to try and funds find 0:46:17.680 --> 0:46:19.640 some dirt on Terry Thiji that may or may not 0:46:19.800 --> 0:46:21.960 probably doesn't exist because you would. 0:46:21.719 --> 0:46:24.400 Have had this stuff already, right exactly. 0:46:25.440 --> 0:46:27.360 And I guess that does have a chilling effect in 0:46:27.440 --> 0:46:30.279 police officers. But you know, we also mentioned that the 0:46:30.320 --> 0:46:32.560 city just went in their pocket for money, even more money, 0:46:32.600 --> 0:46:36.600 another four and a half million dollars to pay police 0:46:36.600 --> 0:46:38.400 officer try and recruit police office because as you know, 0:46:38.440 --> 0:46:40.520 and you often said, were what one hundred and thirty 0:46:40.520 --> 0:46:43.000 to one hundred and fifty cops down? Which is also 0:46:43.080 --> 0:46:45.000 part of the problem too, because we've spent money out 0:46:45.000 --> 0:46:47.560 of the other stupid things not getting keeping boots on 0:46:47.600 --> 0:46:49.800 the ground. But what does that due to recruitment efforts? 0:46:49.800 --> 0:46:52.239 And Simmon sees this from I don't know, we're talking 0:46:52.280 --> 0:46:55.400 about lateral recruitments, meaning you're stealing cops from other jurisdictions, 0:46:55.480 --> 0:46:57.839 go come to shiny sunny Cincinnati and work here. 0:46:57.880 --> 0:46:58.279 It's great. 0:46:59.200 --> 0:47:02.040 How does that undermine the clause that you're trying to do, 0:47:02.080 --> 0:47:04.399 and that is getting more cops signed up, not less. 0:47:04.560 --> 0:47:07.239 This to me sounds like it make cops want to leave, 0:47:07.320 --> 0:47:07.680 not to stay. 0:47:08.960 --> 0:47:10.880 Without a doubt, I mean it is. It is certainly 0:47:10.920 --> 0:47:15.040 going to have a devastating effect on retention because we're 0:47:15.040 --> 0:47:16.799 going to see even more people as soon as they 0:47:16.840 --> 0:47:19.240 get twenty five years on that leave and then anybody 0:47:19.320 --> 0:47:22.399 that actually pays to pays attention to the media, Uh, 0:47:22.719 --> 0:47:24.120 they're not going to want to come here. So it's 0:47:24.120 --> 0:47:27.200 gonna it's going to also affect recruiting, and it's just 0:47:27.800 --> 0:47:30.600 every time we finally get out of the news over 0:47:30.640 --> 0:47:33.600 the you know, the attack at Fourth and Elm and 0:47:33.719 --> 0:47:35.839 how that was handled, and we finally get passed out, 0:47:35.880 --> 0:47:39.000 and then now we have this, and it's just unfortunately 0:47:39.080 --> 0:47:40.640 City Hall seems to not be able to get out 0:47:40.680 --> 0:47:43.120 of their way when it comes to UH dealing with 0:47:43.160 --> 0:47:46.240 these issues, and it's certainly going to have a terrible 0:47:46.400 --> 0:47:48.160 impact on recruitment and retention. 0:47:48.840 --> 0:47:51.399 How long you think this drags out? What's your gut? 0:47:51.440 --> 0:47:55.239 Say? Who knows? I mean weeks? Who knows? I mean 0:47:55.280 --> 0:47:57.880 it's already drug out five or six days? I just 0:47:58.400 --> 0:48:01.799 who knows. I hope it can quickly. It's what the 0:48:01.800 --> 0:48:03.640 men and women of this police department deserve, it's what 0:48:03.680 --> 0:48:07.440 the residents deserve. So just to be handled very quickly 0:48:07.480 --> 0:48:09.719 and let's move on whatever that looks like, whether it's 0:48:09.719 --> 0:48:12.120 her coming back, her not coming back. They need to 0:48:12.160 --> 0:48:13.720 resolve this very very quickly. 0:48:14.040 --> 0:48:16.880 I know the rank and file weren't enamored with Terry Thiji, 0:48:16.920 --> 0:48:20.320 but man, what the city just did is solidify every 0:48:20.400 --> 0:48:22.560 man and woman on that thin blue or white line 0:48:22.560 --> 0:48:25.080 as it is in Cincinnati, on her side. 0:48:25.480 --> 0:48:26.320 This is incredible. 0:48:27.440 --> 0:48:28.360 Yeah, without a doubt. 0:48:29.920 --> 0:48:33.200 He is Ken Coobert. He is the president of the 0:48:33.200 --> 0:48:34.480 Cincinnati Lodge to the FOP. 0:48:34.640 --> 0:48:37.240 Joining the show with his reaction following the press conference 0:48:37.280 --> 0:48:40.840 involving Terry Figi's administrative paid administrative leaves, I look for 0:48:40.840 --> 0:48:43.719 reasons to fire her, supposed to having reasons. Now we're 0:48:43.760 --> 0:48:46.160 gonna put you on leave, pay you, and then look 0:48:46.160 --> 0:48:48.680 for reasons to fire you. That's completely as backwards as 0:48:48.680 --> 0:48:50.400 it gets or any big city, or any city in 0:48:50.400 --> 0:48:53.480 America for that matter. But that's our town, that is Cincinnati, USA. 0:48:53.600 --> 0:48:55.080 Can all the best be saved? Thanks again? 0:48:55.880 --> 0:48:56.759 All right, thanks very much. 0:48:56.719 --> 0:48:58.400 Sett news on the way. We'll shift it up a 0:48:58.440 --> 0:48:58.960 little bit here. 0:48:59.000 --> 0:49:01.760 Tim Holloway is the president of the Hamlin County Associations 0:49:01.760 --> 0:49:04.680 of Chiefs of Police. His reaction to this and also 0:49:05.800 --> 0:49:07.239 some of the areas that were pointed out in the 0:49:07.239 --> 0:49:09.040 press conference. When get a chance to get to and 0:49:09.120 --> 0:49:11.680 that would be judge's role in this whole thing, and 0:49:12.239 --> 0:49:15.760 the accusation by Steve im that Ted Pirrival won't engage 0:49:15.760 --> 0:49:18.680 county judges to force them to get tougher when it 0:49:18.719 --> 0:49:21.640 comes to bond and releasing people who are violent criminals. 0:49:21.680 --> 0:49:24.839 On their own recognizance. Chief Holloway his reaction next seven 0:49:24.920 --> 0:49:30.800 hundred WWT Cincinnati Scott Sloane Here's news Radio seven hundred 0:49:31.000 --> 0:49:34.400 WLW an hour ago, a press conference to end all 0:49:34.480 --> 0:49:37.800 press conferences from the lips of Steve m a wonderful 0:49:37.800 --> 0:49:40.200 employment law attorney with the Finny Law Firm. And by 0:49:40.239 --> 0:49:43.040 the way, Steve is also repping former fire Chief Michael 0:49:43.160 --> 0:49:47.799 Washington for his discouns on his termination is the end 0:49:47.800 --> 0:49:51.040 of his tenure. Chief Chief Fiji Terry Fiji on paid 0:49:51.040 --> 0:49:55.280 administrative leave, present at the press conference and civilian clothes, 0:49:55.280 --> 0:49:58.560 but not speaking, along with her family, who collectively have 0:49:58.640 --> 0:50:01.120 a combined two hundred and ninety plus years of service 0:50:01.520 --> 0:50:03.919 to Cincinnati. They're all in law enforcement or re leased 0:50:03.920 --> 0:50:06.719 in the public service of that matter. Chief Fiji, on 0:50:06.920 --> 0:50:10.800 the thirty fifth anniversary of her becoming a cop, found 0:50:10.840 --> 0:50:13.600 out that she was the subject of a secret investigation 0:50:13.760 --> 0:50:16.960 basically with no timeline or reason. And she was told 0:50:17.080 --> 0:50:19.439 that we're going to put you on paid administrative leave, 0:50:19.840 --> 0:50:21.720 and we're going to point someone else in your stead, 0:50:22.160 --> 0:50:24.239 and you kind of see the writing on the wall. 0:50:24.520 --> 0:50:27.279 I don't think what they saw coming was that she 0:50:27.360 --> 0:50:29.560 was going to fight this, and her attorney saying there's 0:50:29.600 --> 0:50:32.480 no justification. There was no cause, in which, if you 0:50:32.520 --> 0:50:34.879 know about employment law a little bit, you know the 0:50:34.920 --> 0:50:37.240 cause basically means it's something you did. There's no cause, 0:50:37.280 --> 0:50:40.200 so there's no action or inaction on her part. She 0:50:40.239 --> 0:50:43.520 has a spotless record. In called her a sacrificial lamb, 0:50:43.840 --> 0:50:47.360 and she has absolutely no wrongdoing. This was one hundred 0:50:47.400 --> 0:50:49.800 percent at the behest of the mayor was the suggest 0:50:49.840 --> 0:50:52.040 and the inference there that she is just a political 0:50:52.040 --> 0:50:54.880 scapegoat in a pawn. For the bigger part crime problems 0:50:54.920 --> 0:50:57.640 that exists not because of Terry Thiji and her incompetence, 0:50:57.800 --> 0:51:01.200 but rather because of the foul policies that may aor 0:51:01.239 --> 0:51:03.279 aft to have pure vall shechy lung at All won't 0:51:03.280 --> 0:51:05.960 own up to, and that that is the real issue. 0:51:06.000 --> 0:51:08.319 So how do you fire? You can't fire your way 0:51:08.360 --> 0:51:10.839 out of bad policy, but they're trying to do that, 0:51:10.960 --> 0:51:14.040 and so the end result is Terry Thigi is standing strong. 0:51:14.560 --> 0:51:17.480 She's felt during your tenure she's been hamstrung by politics. 0:51:17.560 --> 0:51:20.239 You can't do your job. The city, though, issued a 0:51:20.280 --> 0:51:23.200 statement from share Long City Manager saying public safety is 0:51:23.640 --> 0:51:26.320 our top priority. That is the issue is it really 0:51:27.760 --> 0:51:29.480 you know, I would say that, you know, if we 0:51:29.560 --> 0:51:32.759 keep going through chiefs and subordinates, we keep getting more 0:51:32.760 --> 0:51:35.200 of the same. It sounds like a metaphor for our 0:51:35.239 --> 0:51:38.839 sports teams here in Cincinnati. Is maybe just maybe it 0:51:38.880 --> 0:51:41.560 ain't the guys on the field, It ain't the assistant coaches, 0:51:41.719 --> 0:51:45.239 it ain't that. Maybe it's the front office. Maybe just 0:51:45.360 --> 0:51:48.440 maybe that's what it is. Nonetheless, joining the show this 0:51:48.520 --> 0:51:51.560 morning with his reaction is the president of the Hamilton 0:51:51.640 --> 0:51:54.600 County Association of Chiefs the Police, and that would be 0:51:54.880 --> 0:51:56.640 Tim Holloway. Tim, good morning, how are you? 0:51:57.560 --> 0:51:58.960 No morning, Scott, good to be with you. 0:51:59.120 --> 0:52:01.040 These are the things that make one say thank I 0:52:01.080 --> 0:52:02.560 may be a police chief, we may have our own 0:52:02.600 --> 0:52:05.360 issues wherever we are across the multi the numbers of 0:52:05.400 --> 0:52:08.440 agencies across the Hamilton County, but at least we're not 0:52:08.480 --> 0:52:10.680 the city of Cincinnati. I say that tongue in cheek 0:52:10.760 --> 0:52:13.600 because I can't help but think that what's happening in 0:52:13.640 --> 0:52:17.160 Cincinnati with the crime, does that affect all of the 0:52:17.560 --> 0:52:20.279 other jurisdictions that are in Cincinnati. Because you represent a 0:52:20.360 --> 0:52:24.360 number of agencies in Hamlin County, the chiefs of police Association. Tim, 0:52:25.200 --> 0:52:27.400 does the crime problem in Fountain Square and elsewhere in 0:52:27.400 --> 0:52:29.240 the central business have a ripple effect? 0:52:29.520 --> 0:52:30.720 Does that make your job harder? 0:52:31.600 --> 0:52:33.399 Well, you know, Scott, I think it's one of those 0:52:33.520 --> 0:52:38.479 issues where it's a cultural issue inside the Hamilt County 0:52:38.480 --> 0:52:42.440 criminal justice system, and there's a sense from the criminals 0:52:42.480 --> 0:52:44.680 and also law enforcement and a lot of the citizens 0:52:45.080 --> 0:52:47.600 that there's not a lot of accountability coming out of 0:52:47.640 --> 0:52:50.200 the Hamilt Counting criminal justice system. And that applies to 0:52:50.239 --> 0:52:53.240 crimes that happened in Cincinnati or even there or anywhere 0:52:53.239 --> 0:52:53.960 else in the county. 0:52:54.200 --> 0:52:56.360 Were you shocked when you learn that Tierry Thiji was 0:52:56.400 --> 0:52:58.200 on paid administrative leab or do you see this coming? 0:53:00.440 --> 0:53:03.920 I feel really sorry for Terry. She is a respected 0:53:04.080 --> 0:53:07.920 member of the Hamilcant Association of Chiefs of Police, and 0:53:07.960 --> 0:53:11.359 what she's having to go through down there, it's really unfortunate. 0:53:11.840 --> 0:53:16.200 I will leave the mechanics of all that to Terry 0:53:16.239 --> 0:53:19.760 and her attorney and the City of Cincinnati to work through. 0:53:22.200 --> 0:53:25.360 She is a tremendous amount of knowledge, tremendous amount of experience, 0:53:25.440 --> 0:53:28.920 and as you mentioned, her family's combined experience. I know 0:53:29.080 --> 0:53:33.200 some of several of her family members you're talking about 0:53:33.239 --> 0:53:37.360 a family and Chief Fiji in particular, that have demonstrated 0:53:37.360 --> 0:53:41.120 a long term commitment to service and public safety. 0:53:42.600 --> 0:53:46.080 I forget, Tim Refreshman, how many different agencies make up 0:53:46.120 --> 0:53:47.560 the Association Chief the place for. 0:53:47.520 --> 0:53:50.760 Hamilkunt There's thirty five agents, thirty. 0:53:50.560 --> 0:53:53.320 Five and I like I asked ken Kobra about the 0:53:53.400 --> 0:53:54.920 rank and file, the men and women of the thin 0:53:54.960 --> 0:53:56.920 blue line of the same white line of the Cincinnati 0:53:56.920 --> 0:53:59.239 Police Department. When when you talk to members, you're thirty 0:53:59.280 --> 0:54:02.760 five members, typically is Chief Neigs you looked at favorably? 0:54:04.719 --> 0:54:05.400 I would think so. 0:54:05.640 --> 0:54:08.400 And to put that in perspective, I'll leave that largely 0:54:08.480 --> 0:54:12.520 for ken Cobra to comment on. People may find this shocking, 0:54:12.560 --> 0:54:17.080 but the rank and file police officers don't spend a 0:54:17.080 --> 0:54:20.279 lot of time thinking about Chief dj just like the 0:54:20.680 --> 0:54:22.959 rank and file deputies of the Cherf's Apartment don't spend 0:54:22.960 --> 0:54:25.480 a lot of time thinking about Chief Holloway. You know, 0:54:25.840 --> 0:54:29.279 we all have our communities that we serve. I I'll 0:54:29.360 --> 0:54:31.000 leed the ken Cobra and the rest of the folks 0:54:31.040 --> 0:54:33.640 of Cincinnati offered their opinion on that one. 0:54:33.960 --> 0:54:34.200 Tim. 0:54:34.200 --> 0:54:35.759 One of the issues that came up, of course, is 0:54:35.760 --> 0:54:39.880 issue five, and that was a charter rewrite that people 0:54:39.920 --> 0:54:42.240 wanted back in two thousand and one following the riots, 0:54:42.520 --> 0:54:45.480 and we're both around for that, and that is giving 0:54:45.560 --> 0:54:48.320 the city manager in essence all authority over the chiefs 0:54:48.320 --> 0:54:51.719 of police, fire and leadership. And we saw why that 0:54:51.800 --> 0:54:53.480 was a bad thing. At the time, a lot of 0:54:53.520 --> 0:54:56.640 people thought it was good. There's one entity in Keith Fahman. 0:54:56.760 --> 0:54:58.839 Then the FOP president said this is a bad idea 0:54:58.880 --> 0:55:00.800 because it's going to be one hundred percent political and 0:55:00.880 --> 0:55:03.960 any time that there's anytime something like this happens, it's 0:55:04.000 --> 0:55:05.960 going to be a sacrificial lamb. And we saw that 0:55:06.040 --> 0:55:08.240 come to fruition today or at least in the last 0:55:08.400 --> 0:55:11.240 week or so. That's not an issue that exists anywhere 0:55:11.320 --> 0:55:15.040 outside of the city. And so I think in other areas, like, 0:55:15.080 --> 0:55:17.040 for example, where you are, you have some authority and 0:55:17.080 --> 0:55:20.160 autonomy to do your job and go after bad guys 0:55:20.160 --> 0:55:20.800 as you see. 0:55:20.640 --> 0:55:25.840 Fit Yeh Scott, every single police chief in the county 0:55:25.920 --> 0:55:28.560 is in largely the same situation, and that is we 0:55:28.640 --> 0:55:32.960 have an obligation to provide police services to our community 0:55:33.160 --> 0:55:38.520 consistent with that community's expectations. And obviously the elected officials 0:55:38.520 --> 0:55:39.440 should weigh. 0:55:39.200 --> 0:55:41.800 In with the police use. 0:55:41.640 --> 0:55:44.120 On their opinion of what that means. But at the 0:55:44.239 --> 0:55:48.319 end of the day, you hire a police chief for 0:55:48.400 --> 0:55:53.480 their knowledge and experience about law enforcement strategies. The elected 0:55:53.520 --> 0:55:55.839 officials here in Evendale would be a fool to come 0:55:55.840 --> 0:55:59.680 to me about tax increment financing or tax abatements because 0:55:59.680 --> 0:56:02.720 that's that's not my specially. They should go to somebody 0:56:02.719 --> 0:56:08.400 else for that. And politicians, while they have an opinion 0:56:08.480 --> 0:56:13.440 on goals for law enforcement, they ought not be dictating strategy. 0:56:13.520 --> 0:56:15.800 It's not because it's not important to them. It's because 0:56:16.120 --> 0:56:19.319 they don't have the right frame of knowledge and experience 0:56:19.480 --> 0:56:20.600 that a police she has. 0:56:20.760 --> 0:56:23.520 All right, One of the things brought up, Tim Holloway 0:56:23.800 --> 0:56:26.360 with this press conference that we carried is that the 0:56:27.760 --> 0:56:30.200 I think I know Steve im said this directly or not, 0:56:30.320 --> 0:56:34.000 but basically the mayor won't engage county judges about low 0:56:34.080 --> 0:56:37.839 bonds in releasing people on their own recognizo ours and 0:56:37.880 --> 0:56:39.520 that's part of the problem here. It's one thing to 0:56:39.560 --> 0:56:42.960 talk about, you know, Terry Thiji in hercompetence or incompetence 0:56:43.000 --> 0:56:45.520 and why she was put on paid administry of leaving 0:56:45.560 --> 0:56:48.480 the politics behind that it's almost always politics, and it's 0:56:48.480 --> 0:56:51.239 an unfortunate situation for Terry and her family, and it's 0:56:51.280 --> 0:56:53.879 also grossly unfair, and it's making people who once were 0:56:53.880 --> 0:56:55.600 on the fence are like not a big fan of 0:56:55.680 --> 0:56:59.000 Terry Thiji come to her defense. And so it's worked out, 0:56:59.040 --> 0:57:01.759 I think in that area very well for her. But 0:57:02.080 --> 0:57:04.560 when you hear that, the mayor won't engage with even 0:57:04.719 --> 0:57:07.280 talk to judges and say, look, we got a problem. 0:57:07.400 --> 0:57:09.960 You guys keep releasing people on low bond. They get 0:57:09.960 --> 0:57:12.239 out and they do worse things. The mayor won't even 0:57:12.280 --> 0:57:13.799 have that conversation. 0:57:13.360 --> 0:57:16.320 Right, that's my understanding. 0:57:16.760 --> 0:57:18.800 I'm not part of any of those conversations. I have 0:57:18.920 --> 0:57:22.200 no direct contact with the mayor of the City Cincinnati. 0:57:22.280 --> 0:57:25.120 All I can tell you is collectively, the police chiefs 0:57:25.160 --> 0:57:29.160 in the Hamilton County recognize this problem for quite a 0:57:29.240 --> 0:57:32.360 few years. And Chief Thiji brought us that challenge a 0:57:32.400 --> 0:57:35.480 few months ago to address some of these systemic issues 0:57:35.520 --> 0:57:38.800 in the criminal justice system. And we are working hard 0:57:38.880 --> 0:57:40.880 on that and will continue to work hard on that. 0:57:41.360 --> 0:57:44.120 And d I think is there's multi legs of this stool, right, 0:57:44.160 --> 0:57:46.440 and one of them is enforcement. It's getting tough on 0:57:46.520 --> 0:57:49.200 those who are violing the law. The last edict a 0:57:49.280 --> 0:57:51.360 Fountain Square was like, look, we're gonna have swat, We're 0:57:51.360 --> 0:57:53.720 gonna have operations out there. We're going to stop people 0:57:53.720 --> 0:57:56.240 and talk to them, make contact with people when they 0:57:56.400 --> 0:57:58.760 violate the law. And the slightest it's the broken windows 0:57:58.800 --> 0:58:02.120 theory policing, which seems to work. But the other side 0:58:02.160 --> 0:58:04.160 of this thing, and one of the other areas is 0:58:04.200 --> 0:58:06.520 the judges in the courts themselves. The fact that probation, 0:58:06.680 --> 0:58:09.720 parole and juvenile courts have they yet to talk to 0:58:09.760 --> 0:58:12.280 the associations. The chiefs police had a discussion with you guys. 0:58:12.320 --> 0:58:14.560 You've had open houses and roundtables and everything else, and 0:58:14.680 --> 0:58:17.920 so far they hid behind some sort of judicial canon, 0:58:18.000 --> 0:58:21.560 some judicial code of conduct that prohibits them from sitting 0:58:21.560 --> 0:58:24.520 down and discussing what their mindset is when they release 0:58:24.600 --> 0:58:27.320 people on very low bonds or all are because that 0:58:27.360 --> 0:58:29.680 would violate some sort of judicial code. At the same time, 0:58:29.720 --> 0:58:31.160 these are the same folks who went out when it's 0:58:31.200 --> 0:58:33.480 time to get out the vote and had open houses 0:58:33.480 --> 0:58:35.560 and went out in the community and talked about voting 0:58:35.600 --> 0:58:38.600 and how they're getting good judges on the bench are important. 0:58:38.640 --> 0:58:41.680 So somehow that's different but the same in that regard, though, 0:58:42.600 --> 0:58:45.280 have you yet to have any conversations with the entities 0:58:45.320 --> 0:58:47.960 here that aren't showing up to these roundtables you're holding. 0:58:49.880 --> 0:58:54.040 You know, Scott, To the credit of the common police judges, 0:58:54.120 --> 0:58:56.920 they did invite us down to speak to all of 0:58:56.920 --> 0:58:59.800 them and that conversation went very well. And some of 0:58:59.800 --> 0:59:02.800 the please judges and municipal judges have come to these 0:59:02.840 --> 0:59:07.640 community lead listening sessions and we expect that we're gonna 0:59:07.640 --> 0:59:12.360 be talking with the municipal judges sometime next week. But yes, 0:59:12.440 --> 0:59:15.880 you're right, we have yet to hear from from Juvenile Court, 0:59:16.280 --> 0:59:19.400 and we have yet to hear from Probation and parole, 0:59:19.840 --> 0:59:22.520 and you know, all these partners in the criminal just 0:59:22.560 --> 0:59:25.880 system we need to be working together to make Hamilton 0:59:25.920 --> 0:59:29.560 County safer. You know, people will throw around crime stats 0:59:29.560 --> 0:59:31.440 a lot, and whether it's up three percent this year, 0:59:31.520 --> 0:59:34.960 four percent next year, or whatever it is. At the 0:59:35.040 --> 0:59:36.960 end of the day, we live in a new environment 0:59:37.080 --> 0:59:41.680 where through social media and just electronic media in general, 0:59:41.960 --> 0:59:45.200 people are far better informed about I'm in their own 0:59:45.240 --> 0:59:48.520 community and neighboring communities. And the fact of the matter is, 0:59:48.680 --> 0:59:52.480 if people feel unsafe someplace. It doesn't matter what the 0:59:52.520 --> 0:59:56.000 statistics say. And we have an obligation for people to 0:59:56.040 --> 0:59:58.480 feel safe in every community in Hamlin County. 0:59:58.680 --> 0:59:59.000 All right. 0:59:59.000 --> 1:00:01.840 We have the price confidence with Terry Thiji and her 1:00:01.920 --> 1:00:05.200 attorney fighting back, pushing back against the claims of either 1:00:05.280 --> 1:00:07.880 negligence and competence or something along those lines. And the 1:00:07.920 --> 1:00:10.920 fact that, in the words of Steve n basically as 1:00:10.960 --> 1:00:13.600 we came up with a crime, we came up with 1:00:13.600 --> 1:00:15.760 a charge, and then we're still trying to find out 1:00:15.760 --> 1:00:17.120 what the crime is. They can't find out what the 1:00:17.160 --> 1:00:20.080 crime is, even though the charge sounds familiar. But in 1:00:20.120 --> 1:00:22.880 that regard, I have Tim holloway on he is president 1:00:22.880 --> 1:00:24.960 of the Hamlet County Associations the Chiefs of Police, and 1:00:25.000 --> 1:00:28.000 his reaction to what transpired today and what's transpired with 1:00:28.080 --> 1:00:30.520 Terry Thiji. And also part of the problems we're talking 1:00:30.560 --> 1:00:34.640 about is the juvenile courts, probation prole departments and their 1:00:34.720 --> 1:00:38.160 issue with bonds. You have specific issues relative to this, 1:00:38.200 --> 1:00:40.400 because didn't we just have a case in Coryville that 1:00:40.440 --> 1:00:41.760 to illustrate the absurdity of this. 1:00:42.960 --> 1:00:45.880 Yeah, and I will say this, I'm going to criticize 1:00:45.920 --> 1:00:48.880 Judge Yates on one hand and give him kudos. On 1:00:48.920 --> 1:00:52.840 the other hand, I will criticize his decision making process. 1:00:53.280 --> 1:00:57.480 There was a shoplift at Kroger and Coreyville, and when 1:00:57.520 --> 1:01:01.240 he was confronted by Kroger security, he resisted them. 1:01:01.400 --> 1:01:02.520 The police were called. 1:01:02.840 --> 1:01:07.720 Police officers got involved, and when Judge Yates got ready 1:01:07.720 --> 1:01:11.280 to pass bond to his arraignment, what Judge Yates knew 1:01:11.520 --> 1:01:16.720 was that the defendant had arrested and mazed a sintinct 1:01:16.760 --> 1:01:20.800 police officer and a security guard from Kroker, and there 1:01:20.840 --> 1:01:23.280 was a series of charges. I don't remember what they 1:01:23.440 --> 1:01:26.400 all were, but there were several different felonies, including robbery 1:01:26.440 --> 1:01:29.840 and felonious assault, and he was able to walk out 1:01:29.840 --> 1:01:32.640 of the courtroom having only to post a five hundred 1:01:32.680 --> 1:01:36.160 dollars bond. Now, to Judge Yates's credit, he did respond 1:01:36.160 --> 1:01:38.920 to media inquiries on this and gave his explanation. So 1:01:39.520 --> 1:01:42.720 I'm glad that he's being transparent and accountable. But on 1:01:42.760 --> 1:01:46.320 the other hand, you know, the judge Yates said that 1:01:46.400 --> 1:01:49.800 one of the responsibilities of bail or judge and setting 1:01:49.840 --> 1:01:53.400 bail is to consider how dangerous the defendant is and 1:01:53.440 --> 1:01:56.280 whether they're likely to appear in court. And I think 1:01:56.360 --> 1:01:59.840 when anybody with common sense looks at these facts, this 1:02:00.160 --> 1:02:03.280 guy was so bound and determined not to be held 1:02:03.480 --> 1:02:07.680 accountable for a theft that he was willing to assault 1:02:07.760 --> 1:02:11.000 a security guard. He was willing to assault a SINCEAI 1:02:11.000 --> 1:02:14.400 police officer and spray them with mace and try and 1:02:14.440 --> 1:02:14.960 get away. 1:02:15.560 --> 1:02:16.240 People like that. 1:02:16.280 --> 1:02:19.080 Are dangerous to the community. And when he was not 1:02:19.320 --> 1:02:23.360 even willing to submit to an arrest, why would anybody 1:02:23.400 --> 1:02:25.439 think that this guy's going to come back and show 1:02:25.480 --> 1:02:29.240 up in court voluntarily. This was clearly a situation where 1:02:29.280 --> 1:02:31.560 the judge could have laid up that set of facts 1:02:32.080 --> 1:02:35.640 and had his bond ten to fifteen higher than what 1:02:35.720 --> 1:02:38.480 he did, and it still would have been consistent with 1:02:38.520 --> 1:02:42.040 a lot of other decisions down there. On the other hand, 1:02:42.160 --> 1:02:44.919 Janakio just a few days put a two point six 1:02:45.000 --> 1:02:48.920 million dollar bond on a defendant on a Piloni's assault charge. 1:02:48.960 --> 1:02:55.120 So people have the right to expect that the judges 1:02:55.160 --> 1:02:57.200 are going to work to keep the community safe. 1:02:57.400 --> 1:02:58.960 Yeah, I mean, just top of my head. The way 1:02:59.000 --> 1:03:01.680 he described that is you have robbery first of all, 1:03:02.320 --> 1:03:06.080 which is the mitigating cause, but then you have follows assault, 1:03:06.440 --> 1:03:11.400 You have obstructing official business. Probably you have assault on 1:03:11.400 --> 1:03:13.800 the police officer. There's probably a ton of charges involved there, 1:03:13.880 --> 1:03:16.320 and yet it says, yeah, three hundred dollars. 1:03:16.160 --> 1:03:16.560 That's fine. 1:03:18.160 --> 1:03:22.400 Yeah, it baffles me, and I do you, And I 1:03:22.480 --> 1:03:24.760 talked about this before. I'm not looking to take away 1:03:24.800 --> 1:03:28.720 autonomy and discretion from judges. That's not what our afforts 1:03:28.720 --> 1:03:32.440 are about. But it's about making judges that callible for 1:03:32.520 --> 1:03:37.040 how they exercise that autonomy and discretion. And I think 1:03:37.080 --> 1:03:38.800 I speak for a lot of people when when I 1:03:38.840 --> 1:03:43.080 say that that bond in that case is unreasonably low. 1:03:43.320 --> 1:03:45.880 And I'll point out too that this happened when middle 1:03:46.920 --> 1:03:49.240 October sometime maybe a couple of weeks ago. 1:03:50.480 --> 1:03:52.720 I believe it was like the fourteenth or fifteenth, so 1:03:52.840 --> 1:03:53.880 just a handful of days ago. 1:03:54.040 --> 1:03:57.560 So this wasn't prior. This was after we had things 1:03:57.640 --> 1:04:02.400 like Patrick Carringer's murder with Mordecai Black, where we had 1:04:02.440 --> 1:04:06.480 assaults downtown. We've had numerous shootings and murders involving people 1:04:06.560 --> 1:04:09.360 who had a weapon under disability. Hell, we just had 1:04:09.400 --> 1:04:11.960 one in Fountain Square. Well, Fountain Square is one of them, 1:04:12.160 --> 1:04:15.080 but also the one near in between Sycamore and third, 1:04:15.240 --> 1:04:17.160 where you had an individual who was wearing an ankle 1:04:17.240 --> 1:04:20.040 monitor shoot to death another person in a car for 1:04:20.120 --> 1:04:22.680 reasons we don't know at this point, and this happened 1:04:22.720 --> 1:04:24.360 after all of those things occurred. 1:04:25.360 --> 1:04:26.360 Yeah, so that's true. 1:04:26.640 --> 1:04:27.200 Looking for. 1:04:28.640 --> 1:04:31.160 You look at both the Fountain Square shooting and the 1:04:31.240 --> 1:04:33.960 shooting down in between. You're talking about people with extensive 1:04:33.960 --> 1:04:36.520 criminal history. And in the case of the shooting down 1:04:36.560 --> 1:04:40.520 there in between, the both the defendant and the victim 1:04:40.560 --> 1:04:43.400 had extensive criminal history. And I think that's the point 1:04:43.440 --> 1:04:47.200 that we're focused on. It's not a lock everybody up, 1:04:47.240 --> 1:04:49.640 but it's locked the right people up. And there's some 1:04:49.760 --> 1:04:53.200 very dangerous criminals run around Hamilton County, and we need 1:04:53.240 --> 1:04:55.280 to pick out those one hundred to two hundred most 1:04:55.360 --> 1:04:58.520 dangerous criminals, and the entire criminal justic system needs to 1:04:58.520 --> 1:04:59.200 figure out. 1:04:59.000 --> 1:05:02.479 How we're going to keep these keep us on anybody else. 1:05:02.640 --> 1:05:04.960 Yeah, well, well, the in between one would happened after, 1:05:05.080 --> 1:05:09.160 but still, you know, you have a long history of 1:05:09.240 --> 1:05:12.440 people who say, hey, you know what, Okay, fine, I'll 1:05:12.480 --> 1:05:14.160 go look for a job and I'll be accountable to 1:05:14.160 --> 1:05:17.240 the probation department. When people just leave minutes after that, 1:05:17.280 --> 1:05:19.320 the ink is even dried in that agreement, and they're 1:05:19.360 --> 1:05:22.880 out back committing crimes yet again. And instead of looking 1:05:22.880 --> 1:05:24.640 at and going well, we have people taking advantage of 1:05:24.640 --> 1:05:26.240 the system. It's time to turn the screws down a 1:05:26.240 --> 1:05:28.720 little bit more than the three hundred dollars bond. We 1:05:28.800 --> 1:05:31.000 have judges just continuing to rubber stamp this kind of 1:05:31.040 --> 1:05:34.280 behavior and it just encouraged go, hey, three hundred dollars 1:05:34.320 --> 1:05:36.400 and I can go commit more crimes. Good, sign me up. 1:05:36.440 --> 1:05:38.640 I'll just keep lying to the judge and they'll keep 1:05:38.720 --> 1:05:41.360 slapping me on the wrist. It's a revolving door. Stupidity 1:05:41.400 --> 1:05:43.600 is what it is. Tim Holloway is the president of 1:05:43.600 --> 1:05:45.600 the Hamlet County Association of Chiefs of Police. 1:05:45.600 --> 1:05:47.240 Thanks for jumping in this morning, Tim, all the best, 1:05:47.360 --> 1:05:49.400 be safe, all right, thanks Scott. 1:05:49.440 --> 1:05:50.840 Are we get a time out and we've got news 1:05:50.880 --> 1:05:53.080 on the will reset. We'll find out the very latest. 1:05:53.080 --> 1:05:56.720 And the followed continues from the press conference by Steve 1:05:56.760 --> 1:06:00.360 and m at ten o'clock this morning regarding the I 1:06:00.400 --> 1:06:03.760 guess the peaceful surrender of Terry Fiji. She's not going 1:06:03.840 --> 1:06:05.480 to go quietly. It's not going to be a peaceful 1:06:05.480 --> 1:06:08.480 surrender at all. It's going to cost the taxpayers of 1:06:08.520 --> 1:06:10.760 the city of Cincinnati millions to make it go away. 1:06:11.200 --> 1:06:12.920 All she wants to do is stay and have more 1:06:12.960 --> 1:06:15.080 say in how to police things, which sounds like a 1:06:15.080 --> 1:06:17.880 reasonable request. We'll see how it plays out. More to 1:06:17.920 --> 1:06:19.880 follow here Willie's going to pick us up at twelve 1:06:19.920 --> 1:06:21.320 oh six day. As a matter of fact, we'll be 1:06:21.320 --> 1:06:23.960 talking about this all day long. Here seven hundred wlbody 1:06:24.520 --> 1:06:27.640 time to talk about money, how to make it, how 1:06:27.680 --> 1:06:34.760 to keep it, and how to keep others off your stash. 1:06:35.040 --> 1:06:37.520 This is all Worth Advice with Andy Shaeffer. 1:06:37.920 --> 1:06:40.800 All Right, we tap out a second from the police 1:06:40.880 --> 1:06:44.360 chief thing to well your money, because I hate talking 1:06:44.360 --> 1:06:46.720 about the same thing for hours at a time. Let's 1:06:46.760 --> 1:06:49.600 talk about something that you've got more skin and control 1:06:49.640 --> 1:06:51.240 in the game, and that is what's in your wallet, 1:06:51.320 --> 1:06:53.000 or maybe not even all on. That is our buddy, 1:06:53.040 --> 1:06:55.760 Andy Shaeffer from all Worth Financial and simply Money. Welcome, 1:06:55.760 --> 1:06:58.760 How are you, Good morning, Scott. I'm doing great drama today. 1:06:58.800 --> 1:07:02.000 We got drama all over. The drama continues. Let's get 1:07:02.040 --> 1:07:05.040 into the market stuff, and first and foremost, I'm curious. 1:07:05.280 --> 1:07:08.560 Yesterday we had a huge outage with Amazon Web services 1:07:08.760 --> 1:07:12.120 didn't see what the markets did yesterday. Yeah, we see 1:07:12.160 --> 1:07:14.320 that scarce hellity because you're talking about a lot of 1:07:14.360 --> 1:07:20.200 commerce getting shut down for a good period yesterday, banking, security, retail, 1:07:20.400 --> 1:07:22.960 all that stuff. When these kind of things happen, what 1:07:23.080 --> 1:07:24.919 kind of impact do they have in the short term? 1:07:25.040 --> 1:07:26.960 On short term but you know, you wonder if this 1:07:26.960 --> 1:07:29.560 thing went on for days, which is entirely possible with 1:07:29.600 --> 1:07:32.000 the hacks that we've had lately that we've talked about, 1:07:32.560 --> 1:07:35.040 the impact that would have on the markets. 1:07:34.960 --> 1:07:37.240 Not much. Well, it depends on what kind of breach 1:07:37.360 --> 1:07:40.320 it was. You know, these types of companies, whether it's 1:07:40.320 --> 1:07:44.840 Amazon or any other big type of retailer, you know, 1:07:45.280 --> 1:07:48.120 gets hacked and attempted hacked all the time. And you know, 1:07:48.200 --> 1:07:50.080 for us at all Worth Financial, you know, our second 1:07:50.080 --> 1:07:53.520 biggest department is our technology and security team. So it's 1:07:53.640 --> 1:07:56.040 very important number one to make sure that you continue 1:07:56.080 --> 1:07:59.560 to do business as you always do business. But number two, 1:07:59.680 --> 1:08:02.480 to make sure that nothing nefarious is going on where 1:08:02.680 --> 1:08:05.280 they're trying to you know, hold this company hostage for 1:08:05.360 --> 1:08:07.800 ransom or whatever it may be. I think in this case, 1:08:08.760 --> 1:08:10.880 you know, as long as Amazon can get back up 1:08:10.880 --> 1:08:11.960 and running, fairly quickly. 1:08:12.440 --> 1:08:13.240 It's not a big deal. 1:08:13.280 --> 1:08:15.840 But if you remember years ago there was a breach 1:08:15.880 --> 1:08:20.600 with Target and a lot of individuals credit was compromised. 1:08:21.000 --> 1:08:22.240 You know, I was one of them. I got a 1:08:22.320 --> 1:08:24.200 letter and said, hey, you want to reach out to 1:08:24.400 --> 1:08:26.840 you know, the three major credit agencies and probably freeze 1:08:26.840 --> 1:08:29.880 your credit. That can have a more serious impact. But 1:08:29.920 --> 1:08:33.120 the markets did just find yesterday didn't have a significant 1:08:33.120 --> 1:08:37.240 magnificant impact on Amazon or economy because it is such 1:08:37.280 --> 1:08:39.879 a robust company and so is our economy. 1:08:40.240 --> 1:08:41.800 Well you're gonna see that someday there we're going to 1:08:41.840 --> 1:08:44.360 have a massive outage like this, and it's really going 1:08:44.439 --> 1:08:47.160 to rock if it went on maybe for a day 1:08:47.240 --> 1:08:50.719 or two or longer. We've seen companies be held hostage 1:08:50.720 --> 1:08:53.839 by malware, you know, kettering health for example, recent local example, 1:08:53.840 --> 1:08:56.879 local media spells around here where they were had malware. 1:08:57.200 --> 1:08:59.559 Now that that's certainly probably not gonna affect something as 1:08:59.560 --> 1:09:02.400 big as an Amazon, But if we had a major 1:09:02.400 --> 1:09:05.240 outage like that, the markets would just pumble. I would think, 1:09:05.280 --> 1:09:07.360 I just wonder how long we would go without those 1:09:07.360 --> 1:09:09.799 services and with those platforms and now with that commerce 1:09:10.080 --> 1:09:12.719 before that had a effect on what we're talking about. 1:09:13.080 --> 1:09:13.840 Yeah, I would like. 1:09:13.840 --> 1:09:17.599 To think these companies are taking the necessary precautions not 1:09:17.640 --> 1:09:21.920 only for protection, but also for troubleshooting and rectifying any 1:09:21.920 --> 1:09:23.760 situation that they have. And like I said, you know, 1:09:23.840 --> 1:09:27.479 most of these companies, the technology and securities teams are massive. 1:09:28.200 --> 1:09:30.280 So I'm not saying that it's never going to happen. 1:09:30.280 --> 1:09:33.160 It probably will, but hopefully, you know, we were to 1:09:33.200 --> 1:09:35.439 have the ability to be able to go in fix it, 1:09:35.680 --> 1:09:38.200 straighten it out, and get back on track to what 1:09:38.240 --> 1:09:40.120 we do in the United States and that's produced and 1:09:41.720 --> 1:09:42.880 continue to generate revenue. 1:09:42.880 --> 1:09:44.519 You know, I was talking to someone who has vast 1:09:44.600 --> 1:09:46.799 knowledge of this and they said, you know, real culprit 1:09:46.840 --> 1:09:49.320 in this whole thing. And what we're talking about this scenario, 1:09:49.680 --> 1:09:52.240 it's private equity. Is that a lot of these huge 1:09:52.320 --> 1:09:54.200 vendors get private equity mode, which is great at the 1:09:54.200 --> 1:09:56.240 beginning because they can invest in research and development and 1:09:56.280 --> 1:09:58.800 infrastructure all that stuff. But as it goes on and 1:09:58.800 --> 1:10:02.920 they want to continue high returns, high dividends because that's 1:10:02.920 --> 1:10:05.320 what they do, they will then cut corners at the 1:10:05.360 --> 1:10:07.479 software that would keep them on the cutting edge and 1:10:07.520 --> 1:10:10.040 they fall further and further behind. Thus, causing more and 1:10:10.080 --> 1:10:11.720 more things like this to happen. I think it's a 1:10:11.760 --> 1:10:13.200 really interesting analysis of it. 1:10:14.320 --> 1:10:16.040 I think that would be one of the last steps. 1:10:16.120 --> 1:10:18.400 I have a lot of experience with private equity. You know, 1:10:18.439 --> 1:10:22.120 with with private equity, you know, the saying goes as 1:10:22.120 --> 1:10:24.200 long as you are producing and continuing to be a 1:10:24.200 --> 1:10:26.960 profitable company, private equity usually leaves you alone. It keeps 1:10:26.960 --> 1:10:30.280 management in place. You know, they invest in you for 1:10:30.320 --> 1:10:33.720 a reason. They like your outlook for the most part. Now, 1:10:33.760 --> 1:10:36.479 if you start to go sideways and profits start to diminish, 1:10:36.600 --> 1:10:38.840 that's when you know the board gets involved and starts 1:10:38.840 --> 1:10:42.040 making cuts and making decisions. But I think for private equity, 1:10:42.120 --> 1:10:44.719 you know they have their investors at heart as well. 1:10:44.840 --> 1:10:50.000 And if you start cutting technology, innovation, protection and security, 1:10:50.439 --> 1:10:52.519 that can not only harm the business that you have, 1:10:52.640 --> 1:10:55.080 but you know, you answer to your investors. So I think, 1:10:55.120 --> 1:10:57.639 you know, if push comes to shove, that's way down 1:10:57.680 --> 1:10:59.599 the list of things that private equity would cut. 1:10:59.800 --> 1:11:02.360 And Dy Schaffer with all Worth Financial, we'll pivot to 1:11:02.560 --> 1:11:04.680 what a week ago President Trump said, We're going to 1:11:04.760 --> 1:11:07.439 hit China with one hundred percent terrorists because of the 1:11:07.520 --> 1:11:11.120 rare earth mineral thing and now we're walking that threat back, 1:11:11.280 --> 1:11:12.120 so more of that. 1:11:13.080 --> 1:11:15.640 Yeah, well, it seems like that's kind of been the 1:11:15.680 --> 1:11:18.960 rhetoric that we've seen. You know, Donald Trump is bombastic 1:11:18.960 --> 1:11:22.519 and he places these threats, particularly on China. And you know, 1:11:22.560 --> 1:11:25.120 two fridays ago, we saw the market pull back significantly 1:11:25.120 --> 1:11:27.880 when he threatened those hundred percent tariffs on China. You know, 1:11:28.000 --> 1:11:31.360 that was basically in retaliation for the export of restrictions 1:11:31.360 --> 1:11:34.679 on the rare earth minerals. But late last week President 1:11:34.720 --> 1:11:36.360 walked that back. He said, you know, this is not 1:11:36.439 --> 1:11:39.360 really sustainable to have one hundred percent tariffs on China, 1:11:39.439 --> 1:11:42.280 and the Marcus enjoyed that, and it continued to soften. 1:11:42.360 --> 1:11:45.360 We're going to see Secretary Scott Missent. He's going to 1:11:45.400 --> 1:11:49.120 meet with Chinese Vice President Eye and they will meet 1:11:49.200 --> 1:11:51.840 Malaysia next week to prepare for the meeting between Donald 1:11:51.880 --> 1:11:54.400 Trump and Chinese President She later this month. And that's 1:11:54.439 --> 1:11:59.240 important because we have a November tenth tariff deadline that's 1:11:59.240 --> 1:12:02.120 still looming with China, so that ninety eight truce that 1:12:02.160 --> 1:12:04.680 we had with China that's about to expire. I think 1:12:04.720 --> 1:12:07.479 the fact that President Trump and presidenty are still on 1:12:07.560 --> 1:12:10.760 track to meet later this month prior to the end 1:12:10.840 --> 1:12:13.680 of that ninety day truce and that November tenth deadline 1:12:14.400 --> 1:12:16.479 is positive, and I think the markets have reflected that. 1:12:16.400 --> 1:12:18.160 Even with that, we're going to threaten you with one 1:12:18.240 --> 1:12:20.000 hundred percent tariffs kind of like out of nowhere. 1:12:20.760 --> 1:12:23.439 Yeah, well, you know, I think a lot of that 1:12:23.520 --> 1:12:26.439 rhetoric is used for leverage. I think what Donald Trump 1:12:26.479 --> 1:12:29.720 wants to do is, you know, let the Chinese know 1:12:29.800 --> 1:12:31.960 that we do have leverage in place. There are things 1:12:31.960 --> 1:12:34.840 that we can do. Our economy can withstand this type 1:12:34.880 --> 1:12:37.680 of trade war a lot better than China can, and 1:12:37.720 --> 1:12:40.120 I think President she knows that. I think both sides 1:12:40.200 --> 1:12:42.600 want to come to an agreement. We need China and 1:12:42.680 --> 1:12:44.519 China needs us, and I think they're both aware of that. 1:12:44.560 --> 1:12:46.479 Okay, So back to the other big issue at hand, 1:12:46.520 --> 1:12:48.400 and that is the umpteenth day. I think what twenty 1:12:48.479 --> 1:12:52.200 days now government shutdown. That is a big question mark 1:12:52.240 --> 1:12:54.719 as well. We know that people aren't getting their paychecks 1:12:54.720 --> 1:12:57.400 in the federal government doesn't seem to be impacting markets 1:12:57.400 --> 1:13:00.479 at all too. But in that regard, we're also not 1:13:00.520 --> 1:13:04.320 getting the government data to indicate where our economy is. 1:13:05.200 --> 1:13:07.160 Yeah, you know that we're on day twenty one. Now, 1:13:07.160 --> 1:13:11.040 the government, yep, still remains a major policy variable. We 1:13:11.040 --> 1:13:12.600 don't really know what it's going to look like. It 1:13:12.680 --> 1:13:15.080 keeps the data in the dark, like we've talked about. 1:13:15.479 --> 1:13:17.760 You know, it forces US and other firms like us 1:13:17.800 --> 1:13:22.799 to build analysis on estimates for different types of information 1:13:22.880 --> 1:13:25.120 that we don't have, So you know, there's a lot 1:13:25.120 --> 1:13:27.439 of algorithms involved and a lot of math that's involved 1:13:27.439 --> 1:13:30.040 with that. But what we're showing is that initial jobless 1:13:30.080 --> 1:13:33.280 claims near about two hundred and fifteen thousand in mid October. 1:13:33.880 --> 1:13:36.840 That implies that layoffs remain low despite a lot of 1:13:36.840 --> 1:13:39.960 this policy noise. So we'll see, you know, I think 1:13:40.040 --> 1:13:42.519 right now we're still in the environment where companies are 1:13:42.520 --> 1:13:45.599 not hiring very much, but they're also not firing very much. 1:13:45.680 --> 1:13:48.280 So you know, hopefully we can get Congress back in session. 1:13:48.320 --> 1:13:51.000 It looks like it's starting to tilt the way of 1:13:51.760 --> 1:13:54.000 you know, opening back up the government, but there's still 1:13:54.000 --> 1:13:55.000 a long way to go for them. 1:13:55.080 --> 1:13:57.559 Okay, he's Andy Schaeffer with all Worth Financial every Tuesday 1:13:57.600 --> 1:13:59.920 morning on the Scotsland show seven hundred WLW on it 1:14:00.479 --> 1:14:02.240 of course be the iHeartRadio app. 1:14:02.240 --> 1:14:03.000 Take that wherever you go. 1:14:03.040 --> 1:14:05.200 You can listen in real time or podcast later if 1:14:05.240 --> 1:14:09.240 you wish. So we again, it sounds like because we're 1:14:09.240 --> 1:14:11.560 not getting the data, we just are going with the 1:14:11.640 --> 1:14:14.000 numbers we had before the shutdown, which our inflation and 1:14:14.040 --> 1:14:16.840 employment outlooks are well haven't moved. 1:14:17.160 --> 1:14:18.400 They might have, We just don't know. 1:14:19.160 --> 1:14:21.760 Yeah, we don't know. But fet Shairman Powell basically said that, 1:14:22.000 --> 1:14:24.360 you know, he believes just that he thinks that inflation 1:14:24.439 --> 1:14:27.960 unemployment outlooks haven't changed very much. You know, we're going 1:14:28.000 --> 1:14:30.760 to get a lot of Fed speakers this week, like 1:14:30.800 --> 1:14:33.040 we always do. They love to talk. We're going to 1:14:33.800 --> 1:14:36.240 the Fed's going to meet later this month October twenty 1:14:36.280 --> 1:14:39.000 eighth and twenty ninth. They'll make a decision on interest rates. 1:14:39.080 --> 1:14:41.960 I do suspect that we will see an interest rate 1:14:42.040 --> 1:14:45.880 cut of about a quarter percent. Fet Shairman poll basically said, Hey, 1:14:45.880 --> 1:14:47.960 we're keeping that rate cut on the on the table. 1:14:47.960 --> 1:14:50.439 The markets have basically taken that into account at this 1:14:50.520 --> 1:14:53.840 point of pricing that in to the games that we've had. 1:14:53.880 --> 1:14:56.080 So we'll see what they have to say. I always 1:14:56.080 --> 1:14:58.240 look forward to hearing what feed Sharman Powell has to 1:14:58.280 --> 1:15:01.440 say on those Wednesdays and particularly in the press conferences afterwards. 1:15:01.520 --> 1:15:04.280 Okay, Andy, there's something that was bubbling. I think in 1:15:04.320 --> 1:15:09.639 the credit markets. I saw right, I was I forget 1:15:09.680 --> 1:15:12.080 the two companies two principles, But there were some loan 1:15:12.120 --> 1:15:12.759 fraud issues. 1:15:13.160 --> 1:15:15.519 Yes, So we were seeing a little bit of some 1:15:15.640 --> 1:15:19.479 issues with regional banks. There were some regional letters Science 1:15:19.560 --> 1:15:22.640 Bank Corp. And Western Alliance. They disclosed that there was 1:15:22.640 --> 1:15:27.120 some alleged loan fraud tied to funds buying distressed commercial mortgages. 1:15:27.160 --> 1:15:29.720 And that's basically a fancy way of saying, hey, they 1:15:29.720 --> 1:15:32.680 were gobbling up some things that were not good investments, 1:15:32.720 --> 1:15:35.920 and they have some losses because of it. They had 1:15:35.960 --> 1:15:36.800 tens of millions. 1:15:36.560 --> 1:15:37.639 Of dollars and losses. 1:15:38.160 --> 1:15:38.320 You know. 1:15:38.560 --> 1:15:40.840 So on the surface, that doesn't seem like it's a 1:15:40.840 --> 1:15:44.280 big deal. Now, the sell off in those bank stocks 1:15:44.280 --> 1:15:46.720 were pretty heavy. And what happens is is there can 1:15:46.760 --> 1:15:49.880 be a potential fallout for other smaller regional banks as well. 1:15:49.920 --> 1:15:51.880 We went through this three or four years ago. I 1:15:51.920 --> 1:15:54.000 don't know if you remember, but there were some banks 1:15:54.080 --> 1:15:57.760 up in the Pacific Northwest that had some issues with 1:15:57.800 --> 1:16:00.519 their balance sheet as well, and the threat was that Hey, 1:16:00.720 --> 1:16:02.639 is this going to be a fallout with all regional 1:16:02.680 --> 1:16:05.559 banks and smaller banks could be more systematic. We don't 1:16:05.600 --> 1:16:09.519 believe it is. Fortunately locally here, Fifth third for example, 1:16:09.720 --> 1:16:12.440 reported smaller than expected lost provisions. 1:16:12.960 --> 1:16:14.360 So we'll see where it goes. 1:16:14.400 --> 1:16:15.920 We're not too concerned about it at the moment. 1:16:15.960 --> 1:16:17.920 We haven't had a big banking crisis in a while 1:16:18.000 --> 1:16:19.000 or a way over here for one. 1:16:19.680 --> 1:16:22.800 Yeah, yeah, big banking crisises are hard to go by it. 1:16:22.880 --> 1:16:25.639 You know, I've been around long enough to remember two 1:16:25.680 --> 1:16:28.160 thousand and seven, two thousand and eight, I actually held 1:16:28.240 --> 1:16:31.519 some Leman Brothers bonds that went the fault, and so 1:16:31.600 --> 1:16:34.639 that was a challenging time. But yeah, we haven't had 1:16:34.640 --> 1:16:36.800 a big one in a while. You know, you hope 1:16:36.800 --> 1:16:38.880 that we're not due for one. I think that right 1:16:38.920 --> 1:16:41.240 now when we look at the overall picture and the banks, 1:16:42.160 --> 1:16:44.360 you know, banks still have the ability to borrow from 1:16:44.360 --> 1:16:47.280 the federal Reserve, and right now we're not seeing a 1:16:47.280 --> 1:16:50.360 lot of banks doing that. So that is a safety 1:16:50.400 --> 1:16:51.960 net for a lot of banks if things start to 1:16:51.960 --> 1:16:52.400 go sideway. 1:16:52.439 --> 1:16:53.320 Yeah, okay, I'm here. 1:16:53.479 --> 1:16:55.640 Yeah, we were not hearing about the financial markets that 1:16:55.680 --> 1:16:57.960 regard a big banking crisis. The one bubble you hear 1:16:57.960 --> 1:17:00.000 about bubbles, bubble, it's a bubble of the housing bubble 1:17:00.160 --> 1:17:02.160 of two thousand and eight, the dot com bubble, the bubble, 1:17:02.360 --> 1:17:05.160 the big bubble Now is AI. Is there any validity 1:17:05.160 --> 1:17:07.040 in that argument that the and it's going to burst 1:17:07.040 --> 1:17:08.680 and it's going to be like nineteen twenty nine all 1:17:08.720 --> 1:17:09.120 over again. 1:17:09.400 --> 1:17:11.200 Well, I think the reason that people say that is 1:17:11.240 --> 1:17:14.720 because the price for AI stocks is very high right now. 1:17:14.760 --> 1:17:17.519 And when you do an analysis on stocks, you look at, Okay, 1:17:17.600 --> 1:17:19.800 what's the profit versus what's the price? They call it 1:17:19.840 --> 1:17:23.040 the pe ratio profit over earnings. Well, the profits for 1:17:23.080 --> 1:17:26.760 these companies aren't significantly high, but we have all this 1:17:26.880 --> 1:17:29.000 money flowing into the price of the stocks, so they're 1:17:29.080 --> 1:17:31.800 overvalued right now. And the reason is is so, to 1:17:31.800 --> 1:17:34.360 answer your question directly, I'm not too concerned about an 1:17:34.360 --> 1:17:36.879 AI bubble. And the reason is is that the outlook 1:17:36.920 --> 1:17:40.280 for AI is significant. This is going to be a 1:17:40.320 --> 1:17:42.680 revolution like we had in the early two thousands with 1:17:42.720 --> 1:17:46.360 the dot com era, the Internet and those types of things. 1:17:46.360 --> 1:17:49.439 So to me, this is a big deal. I think 1:17:49.439 --> 1:17:52.000 investors understand that this is going to be the future 1:17:52.080 --> 1:17:54.720 of our society. And so they're comfortable paying a little 1:17:54.760 --> 1:17:57.799 bit of a premium with the expectations that those companies 1:17:57.840 --> 1:18:00.839 are going to continue to be profitable over the next five, ten, fifteen, 1:18:00.880 --> 1:18:01.479 twenty years. 1:18:01.560 --> 1:18:01.880 Got it? 1:18:01.920 --> 1:18:04.479 Okay, So we have the government showdown to shut down, 1:18:04.479 --> 1:18:06.760 the showdown of twenty one days now full three weeks 1:18:06.800 --> 1:18:09.040 into this whole thing, and then the longer it goes 1:18:09.080 --> 1:18:11.439 and there's more pain, and eventually they come to a 1:18:11.600 --> 1:18:14.760 reasonable solution saying, Okay, we got to stop because people 1:18:14.800 --> 1:18:17.720 are tired of this. But there's no there's absolutely no 1:18:17.840 --> 1:18:21.559 ground swell by the American people to push that narrative. 1:18:21.600 --> 1:18:23.240 So we just sit there going, yeah, who cares, man, 1:18:23.280 --> 1:18:25.559 the government it's open, it's shut. We don't care, and 1:18:25.600 --> 1:18:28.200 the markets continue, everything's doing well. I said, it's not 1:18:28.280 --> 1:18:30.040 until we start to feel some pay And I mentioned 1:18:30.040 --> 1:18:31.840 how much theater there is in this thing too. I 1:18:31.920 --> 1:18:35.599 think it's funny because it's kind of like the analogy 1:18:35.640 --> 1:18:39.120 I gave is you close your business by by sending 1:18:39.160 --> 1:18:42.040 like the receptionists to home. So somebody shows up and goes, well, 1:18:42.080 --> 1:18:44.519 the receptions on it, but there's you know, ninety nine 1:18:44.560 --> 1:18:46.479 percent of the people in the back are still working. 1:18:46.520 --> 1:18:48.840 It's just the reception desk gets closed. That's what this 1:18:48.960 --> 1:18:49.200 is like. 1:18:49.240 --> 1:18:52.920 We're closing parks and all the making it just uncomfortable 1:18:52.960 --> 1:18:55.480 enough at TSA and airports for people to take notice. 1:18:55.640 --> 1:18:57.479 And in your world. 1:18:57.520 --> 1:18:59.960 I think it's funny because the Beer of Labor Statistics 1:19:00.160 --> 1:19:04.160 recalled its staff to compile the September CPI report. You 1:19:04.280 --> 1:19:07.439 need that report because that's what they based the cost 1:19:07.479 --> 1:19:10.120 of living the coal adjustments for social security, because we 1:19:10.160 --> 1:19:12.120 can't piss old people off when it comes to their 1:19:12.120 --> 1:19:12.960 social security. 1:19:13.360 --> 1:19:15.360 There go, I mean, you got it exactly right. 1:19:15.760 --> 1:19:17.880 Yeah, I mean, you know, you know most of the 1:19:17.920 --> 1:19:21.200 government still remains open. But could you imagine if people 1:19:21.240 --> 1:19:23.519 that are getting Social Security did not get their cost 1:19:23.600 --> 1:19:27.000 of living, that would wipe out most of the incumbents 1:19:27.000 --> 1:19:27.519 and concress. 1:19:27.560 --> 1:19:28.040 So there you go. 1:19:28.160 --> 1:19:29.719 Yeah, it's it's funny how that works. 1:19:29.800 --> 1:19:31.160 It's just funny. Well we better do that. 1:19:31.160 --> 1:19:32.760 Well, well, the old people are the people who vote, 1:19:32.760 --> 1:19:34.040 are going to be really mad at us if they 1:19:34.040 --> 1:19:36.320 don't get their three percent. So where you get to 1:19:36.360 --> 1:19:39.640 come back to the office and do that. Yeah, to 1:19:39.720 --> 1:19:43.479 show you how serious the shutdown is and government is. Uh, 1:19:43.840 --> 1:19:46.160 you know, it's the umbrella of seriousness because they dress 1:19:46.240 --> 1:19:48.479 in very very expensive suits and coats and ties and 1:19:48.520 --> 1:19:51.080 call each other gentlemen and gentlewomen and things like that. 1:19:51.120 --> 1:19:54.160 But you know, the actual behind the scenes is a 1:19:54.200 --> 1:19:56.360 lot more comical than that. He's Andy Schaeffer all we're 1:19:56.360 --> 1:19:59.360 all worth financial. Their show simply money. There's at six 1:19:59.400 --> 1:20:02.040 o'clock on fifty five KRC. You can check it out 1:20:02.080 --> 1:20:05.160 over there, and we talk every Tuesday about your money. Andy, 1:20:05.200 --> 1:20:07.400 all the best. Have a great week. We'll talk next tuesday. 1:20:07.600 --> 1:20:08.880 You too, Scott, talk you next week. 1:20:08.920 --> 1:20:12.040 So, of course, the big story going today is Terry Thiji. 1:20:12.080 --> 1:20:14.639 We had a press conference at ten o'clock, just at 1:20:14.680 --> 1:20:18.200 ten o'clock this morning. The principle involved was her attorney 1:20:18.760 --> 1:20:22.679 talking about talking about she's fired, she suspended. The whole 1:20:22.720 --> 1:20:25.880 thing is a dumpster fire. But again that dumpster fire 1:20:25.960 --> 1:20:27.720 is just a small dumpster fire in front of the 1:20:27.840 --> 1:20:32.920 large tire fire that is city Hall. Particularly the administration, 1:20:33.000 --> 1:20:36.559 the A F TAD Peer Vault administration. They just don't 1:20:36.600 --> 1:20:38.960 handle things well at all, And that led, of course 1:20:39.000 --> 1:20:41.280 to the crime wave that led the dismissal of Terry Thiji. 1:20:41.320 --> 1:20:43.320 It was just a month ago where af tat peer vess. 1:20:43.280 --> 1:20:45.360 So no, no, the crime numbers are down, and now 1:20:45.360 --> 1:20:48.519 a month later, with an election looming, he fires his 1:20:48.600 --> 1:20:53.679 police chief. That makes sense to me either, But again 1:20:53.840 --> 1:20:56.639 it's politics, and when you either talk about the shutdown 1:20:56.720 --> 1:21:00.519 or the joke a city hall, it's all the same 1:21:00.600 --> 1:21:03.360 argument that these are not serious people that act a 1:21:03.400 --> 1:21:06.080 lot more serious, and we look at them and go, oh, 1:21:06.320 --> 1:21:07.479 they must know something we don't. 1:21:07.520 --> 1:21:09.599 I don't think they do. I really really don't. 1:21:09.640 --> 1:21:11.920 But anyway, Willie's going to pick up the Fiji topic 1:21:12.280 --> 1:21:15.240 at twelve oh six today, right after a news update 1:21:15.280 --> 1:21:16.800 and more to follow on the Home of the Best 1:21:16.800 --> 1:21:19.680 Bengals coverage seven hundred WWT Cincinnati