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Speaker 2: Our Scott's flown back on seven hundred. WW got a

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Speaker 2: busy day ahead, y'all. Coming up at ten o'clock or thereabouts,

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Speaker 2: we'll have a press conference, live press conference, and it's

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Speaker 2: going to be the lawyer for Police Chief Terry Thiji,

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Speaker 2: who is on now paid administrative leave. And it feels

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Speaker 2: but that hasn't happened yet. This whole thing has been

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Speaker 2: headled poorly from the jump, and I've not even talked

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Speaker 2: about the issue of the violent crime in downtown Cincinnati.

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Speaker 2: So we'll have that for you live at ten to six.

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Speaker 2: More on this, we'll talk about more than about nine

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Speaker 2: thirty five. But in the interim, we have a major

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Speaker 2: security breach into our infrastructure by the Chinese, and you

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Speaker 2: didn't hear about that because it's been overshadowed by yesterday's

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Speaker 2: massive Amazon Web Services outage. If you use things like

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Speaker 2: Alexa or Prime Video, or have blank security systems or coinbase,

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Speaker 2: which is crypto government gateway services, Microsoft three sixty five,

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Speaker 2: my Fitness, pell Peloton PlayStation Network, Snapchat, WhatsApp, squares, Zoom,

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Speaker 2: and countless other platforms were down for the count for

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Speaker 2: a good part yesterday, frustrating a lot of people joining

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Speaker 2: the show to talk about this and much more is

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Speaker 2: Chris Naiheisi is the CEO at Cincinnati based Vigilant Cybersecurity. Chris,

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Speaker 2: Welcome back.

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Speaker 3: Good morning, Scott.

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Speaker 1: It's great to be back.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and it seems like there's always a crisis. We

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Speaker 2: could have you on probably every day talking about this stuff.

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Speaker 2: I've mentioned how the security breach, the security breach of

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Speaker 2: that five was kind of overshadowed by AWS, and I

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Speaker 2: guess that makes sense because you know, unless it directly

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Speaker 2: affects you, you don't pay attention. Thing was that that

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Speaker 2: AWS affects so many more people simply because when that's down.

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Speaker 2: I just mentioned it, and that's just tip of the iceberg.

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Speaker 2: That's some of the platforms. There's there's countless others around

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Speaker 2: the world that were down because of this. In pretty

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Speaker 2: much every institution from finance to a retail, you name.

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Speaker 2: It was completely shut down for the better Party yesterday,

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Speaker 2: illustrating what the real problem is with Amazon, which is what.

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Speaker 3: They're centrally located.

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Speaker 4: You know, the big issue with a lot of these

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Speaker 4: technologies like crowd Offerings AWS. They've made it so easy

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Speaker 4: for organizations to put their technology up there. But the

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Speaker 4: problem is, and the thing that a lot of companies

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Speaker 4: forgot about or we're chose to not maybe pay attention to,

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Speaker 4: is that when you put it into these central locations,

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Speaker 4: if that central location goes down, well then now everything

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Speaker 4: you do goes down. And what was really interesting in

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Speaker 4: scott Is yesterday, and I do quite often when things

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Speaker 4: like this happened. I go out to this site called

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Speaker 4: down detector dot com and it tells you, like everything

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Speaker 4: you know. These people will call in the report things

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Speaker 4: are down, so it'll tell you what's down across the world.

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Speaker 4: And you can tell exactly what companies use Amazon and we'll.

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Speaker 3: Talk about that here in a second why that can help.

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Speaker 4: An attacker, but you can see exactly what company used

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Speaker 4: it because they all went down at the same time. Now,

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Speaker 4: I'll tell you this has happened globally two times before

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Speaker 4: last year CrowdStrike, and this has happened to AWS.

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Speaker 4: The data that Russia attacks Ukraine so very interesting time

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Speaker 4: and you and I talked about that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, in fact that we will and we still don't

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Speaker 2: I don't. We don't know what drove yesterday's out.

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Speaker 5: We don't know, we don't know.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean Amazon has said that, uh that basically

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Speaker 3: Ago, and just everyone knows what DNS does is you know, it's.

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Speaker 4: Really hard to remember a long IP address, you know,

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Speaker 4: We put names to these because it's easier for humans

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Speaker 4: You can't get to websites without DNS. And if DNS

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Speaker 4: most thing that can I mean, none of the networking

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Speaker 5: You said Internet connection.

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Speaker 3: It was the major translation system. So if you had

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Speaker 5: Here, we've got backups. There's redundancy. Well, there's no redundancy with.

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Speaker 4: People writing code that use things like githup right where

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so we know why to you know, the dependence

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Speaker 2: Uh And i'd been miss I didn't mention to like

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Speaker 4: So that's why banks use them, why hospitals use them,

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Speaker 4: They have all, like of the user access information, they

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Speaker 2: Heels of police Chief Terry Fiji being placed on administrative leave.

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Speaker 5: Very interesting.

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Speaker 2: So we'll see if the first woman hired a Cincinnati

439
00:21:37,480 --> 00:21:41,080
Speaker 2: police chief, if they replace her with another woman because

440
00:21:41,119 --> 00:21:46,440
Speaker 2: of well, you know, DEI and I may you know,

441
00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:48,720
Speaker 2: it could be a black man, black woman woman. Man,

442
00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:51,280
Speaker 2: I don't care. Just hire someone who's competent. Be course,

443
00:21:51,320 --> 00:21:54,040
Speaker 2: the problem is the fact that they're hamsterring by the

444
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Speaker 2: mayor's office, something that people voted for back in two

445
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Speaker 2: thousand and one with Issue five that said you know

446
00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:04,120
Speaker 2: longer no, you know. Basically, the FOP has no say

447
00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:07,440
Speaker 2: we're going to go outside of Cincinnati, hire the best candidate. Well,

448
00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:10,320
Speaker 2: you one of the guys, the best candidate. There's a

449
00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:12,000
Speaker 2: lot of ifs in there. There's a lot of qualifiers,

450
00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:14,480
Speaker 2: there's a lot of ISM's in there, you know, sexism, racism,

451
00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:16,840
Speaker 2: et cetera. Instead of finding the best person, we have

452
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Speaker 2: to find a person who looks diverse. So to check

453
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Speaker 2: the diversity bocs first. I'm not saying certainly, diversity I

454
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Speaker 2: think is a good thing, but it has to be natural,

455
00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:28,000
Speaker 2: has to be organic. And also what about hiring the

456
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Speaker 2: best person for the job and then letting them do

457
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Speaker 2: what they do. I think that's the problem here because

458
00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:34,360
Speaker 2: it's pretty clear regardless that she's a woman, or she's

459
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Speaker 2: a white woman or a black woman, it doesn't been

460
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Speaker 2: disabled it I don't care. Just find someone who's competent

461
00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:41,840
Speaker 2: and let them do the job. We don't have that

462
00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:44,119
Speaker 2: because they Issue five and can control the mayor's office.

463
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Speaker 2: So when she comes to office and the first thing

464
00:22:46,040 --> 00:22:49,880
Speaker 2: she says three years ago, is is it about you know?

465
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Speaker 2: Is it about juvenile crime? It's about bad guys, it's

466
00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:54,359
Speaker 2: about guns on the streets, it's about public Sif no,

467
00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:57,040
Speaker 2: it's about being inclusive and working in the confides of

468
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Speaker 2: collaborative agreement that led to where we are now three

469
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Speaker 2: years later. Just pointing that out. How is that on

470
00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:05,359
Speaker 2: Terry Thiji? I don't see it because she is just

471
00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:07,920
Speaker 2: simply playing by the boy. If you want the job

472
00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:10,520
Speaker 2: and the title of police chief and everything that goes

473
00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:13,000
Speaker 2: along with that, the heartaches, the headaches, but also the

474
00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:17,560
Speaker 2: compensation and the notoriety because you're going to go and

475
00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:19,359
Speaker 2: make a lot more money as a consultant probably there

476
00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:22,120
Speaker 2: as a police chief. But nonetheless, if that's the rules

477
00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:23,760
Speaker 2: of the game and engagement, you want that job, and

478
00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:26,800
Speaker 2: who wouldn't want that job, then you're going to do

479
00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:29,640
Speaker 2: and say, enact and dance the song the piper's calling,

480
00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:32,320
Speaker 2: and the piper is the mayor. I think we got

481
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Speaker 2: to get I think we made a mistake in two

482
00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:36,359
Speaker 2: thousand and one when voters said, hey, yeah, that's what

483
00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:39,399
Speaker 2: we want. I think what you need to do you

484
00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:40,760
Speaker 2: need to have somebody in there who's going to be

485
00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:47,120
Speaker 2: a good cop there, not punitive, enforce the laws, take

486
00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:49,720
Speaker 2: the bad guys off the street, put them away, work

487
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Speaker 2: with the prosecutor's office, do all that stuff, be accountable,

488
00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:59,320
Speaker 2: but also be a cop. And we've got, unfortunately, people

489
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Speaker 2: who are theatrical I think in a way if you

490
00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:04,240
Speaker 2: want to put it that way, because I think there's

491
00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:06,040
Speaker 2: a lot of theatrics with what's going on here too.

492
00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:09,520
Speaker 2: But you know, just again, you're hired. Your job is

493
00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:11,480
Speaker 2: to enforce the laws and make sure that the bad

494
00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:13,960
Speaker 2: guys are segregated from the good guys. There's very very few,

495
00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:15,600
Speaker 2: really really bad people out there. We need to make

496
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Speaker 2: sure they don't socialize with the rest of us. That's

497
00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:19,720
Speaker 2: all this is. But when you put all these other

498
00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:25,920
Speaker 2: artificial whims in there, it doesn't help. So Terry Thiji

499
00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:28,159
Speaker 2: just last year she was remember when she showed up

500
00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:31,359
Speaker 2: to the school board meeting to do a I think

501
00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:33,440
Speaker 2: it was a prevent youth violence thing. She went at

502
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Speaker 2: metro stations. Look, we had thirty arrests last year. I

503
00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:39,600
Speaker 2: think during the month of August. I think right before

504
00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:41,800
Speaker 2: school there was a bunch of arrests because kids are

505
00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:44,720
Speaker 2: hanging around the metro station again and government square causing problems,

506
00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:47,560
Speaker 2: and of course that's because the juvenile justice system is broken.

507
00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:50,240
Speaker 2: It's a way too lenient, and police round them up

508
00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:51,840
Speaker 2: and then the judges don't put the fear of God

509
00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:53,359
Speaker 2: into them to make them do it again, and they

510
00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:54,879
Speaker 2: send them off with a slap on the wrist and

511
00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:57,000
Speaker 2: they go out and they do far worse stuff. And

512
00:24:57,080 --> 00:24:59,600
Speaker 2: so cops on the street are undermined. I don't know

513
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Speaker 2: how that is on the chief of police. This summer,

514
00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:06,240
Speaker 2: we had multiple shootings. Fourth of July weekend was not

515
00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:07,879
Speaker 2: a good one. We had three at the banks and

516
00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:09,960
Speaker 2: Smellburn Front Park. We had a fourteen year old killed.

517
00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:12,600
Speaker 2: We had the street takeover in Clifton, which Steve Gooden

518
00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:15,080
Speaker 2: talks about because cops and our fire couldn't go on runs.

519
00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:19,119
Speaker 2: They're delayed, and we had two cops the target of

520
00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:21,600
Speaker 2: gunfire in Clifton. And that's when the chief yelled at

521
00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:23,840
Speaker 2: the media about they need to be more honest and transparent.

522
00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:27,600
Speaker 2: That was the whole you know what crime is down? Well,

523
00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:29,400
Speaker 2: now the chiefs yell at the media about being more

524
00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:34,680
Speaker 2: honest about things, and now where's is amisty there? So

525
00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:37,119
Speaker 2: I saw that when we heard they're yelling at the

526
00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:42,119
Speaker 2: media about being more transparent, more honest about reporting. She's

527
00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:45,520
Speaker 2: just covering for the mayor. So she was again dancing

528
00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:49,399
Speaker 2: the dance. Mayor's playing the tune. Just tell people the

529
00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:50,920
Speaker 2: crime is fine, there's not a crime problem.

530
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Speaker 5: We're good.

531
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Speaker 2: The numbers don't back that up. Well, when you sit

532
00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:56,880
Speaker 2: there and luxury people and say you need to learn

533
00:25:56,920 --> 00:25:58,800
Speaker 2: how to behave in your city, and you become a meme,

534
00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:06,320
Speaker 2: you know, the police chief, Mama mem I think you

535
00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:09,040
Speaker 2: kind of lose your your juice there, and that's what

536
00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:11,760
Speaker 2: happened with Terry Thigi. Yeah, look overall, how much is

537
00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:13,760
Speaker 2: this on her? I don't know very little about I

538
00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:16,280
Speaker 2: would say, now, talk to your average beat cop. I

539
00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:17,680
Speaker 2: know that there are a lot of cops aren't happy

540
00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:20,040
Speaker 2: with Terry Thigi. But again, this is someone who is

541
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Speaker 2: hired by an administration to carry out the diversity, equity

542
00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:27,560
Speaker 2: and inclusivity. And she said that when she was hired

543
00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:30,640
Speaker 2: because that was hitting her head by after pival by,

544
00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:33,520
Speaker 2: sheer long By, Iris Rawley and all the others getting

545
00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:36,080
Speaker 2: in her ear like this isn't about policing, this is

546
00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:42,119
Speaker 2: about diversity and how could that possibly surprise you that

547
00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:44,640
Speaker 2: we are where we are three years, three short years later.

548
00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:46,760
Speaker 2: And the person who said, okay, these are the terms

549
00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:47,760
Speaker 2: of the condition to my oppoinment.

550
00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:48,040
Speaker 5: Great.

551
00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:49,600
Speaker 2: You know, I don't know about you. You show up

552
00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:52,200
Speaker 2: to work, your boss tells you to do something. Here's

553
00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:53,879
Speaker 2: the job, here's going I hire you to do, and

554
00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:58,120
Speaker 2: these are the the parameters of your job. Generally, most

555
00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:01,879
Speaker 2: sane people go, okay, I'll do what they ask I

556
00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:05,480
Speaker 2: will do my job. When the parameters established by the man,

557
00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:08,679
Speaker 2: no one's going to go. Very few people are going

558
00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:09,879
Speaker 2: to go, I'm gonna do my own I'm gonna go

559
00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:12,160
Speaker 2: rogue here. That's not gonna be good for your longevity

560
00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:14,439
Speaker 2: that company. I'd imagine the same is true of the

561
00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:19,280
Speaker 2: police chief. But just let's look at the construct in

562
00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:21,440
Speaker 2: which she came into office and what she was guided by.

563
00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:24,879
Speaker 5: Initially, and this was not long ago. We had the

564
00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:26,879
Speaker 5: Cincinnati crime Plan. Remember this.

565
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:29,280
Speaker 2: They kind of downplayed this one when we had a

566
00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:31,040
Speaker 2: you know, the idea is we've got too many kids

567
00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:34,919
Speaker 2: getting guns. And the end result after this is we

568
00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:37,200
Speaker 2: have now more kids getting guns. So how did this work?

569
00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:39,760
Speaker 2: We downplayed the Cincinnati because they want to do diversion

570
00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:44,120
Speaker 2: instead of a youth gun possession cases instead of formal prosecution,

571
00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:47,560
Speaker 2: especially for first time offenders. And we're going to limit

572
00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:50,240
Speaker 2: the detention for youth charged with gun possession and eliminate

573
00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:51,800
Speaker 2: the transfers. We're not going to kick them up to

574
00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:54,399
Speaker 2: adult court anymore. And we need more community based violence

575
00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:57,560
Speaker 2: interruption programs. How is that working? Where's all that money going?

576
00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:00,280
Speaker 2: Safe to say, I think a lot of it going

577
00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:02,920
Speaker 2: to the pockets of people who don't really have a plan,

578
00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:05,440
Speaker 2: but they got their hand out. And there's a lot

579
00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:07,320
Speaker 2: of government every time we pass something, you know, the

580
00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:09,000
Speaker 2: four and a half million dollars we give the cops.

581
00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:10,800
Speaker 2: You start look in the details of that and I

582
00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:12,840
Speaker 2: haven't had time or the inclination to do it, but

583
00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:14,800
Speaker 2: you start looking at that, it go wow, Look at

584
00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:16,679
Speaker 2: up the programs. Look at my handouts in this community,

585
00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:18,680
Speaker 2: this community Membrogans and somebody is getting this and we've

586
00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:21,119
Speaker 2: got this program and there's no accountability for any of

587
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:23,639
Speaker 2: this stuff. It's just paying people off to go along

588
00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:28,720
Speaker 2: with the plan. But the plan doesn't work. Now in retrospect,

589
00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:32,919
Speaker 2: are the summer offering diversion and limiting youth detention and

590
00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:33,680
Speaker 2: all that stuff.

591
00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:37,600
Speaker 5: The optics of this aren't very good. You know, when

592
00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:38,280
Speaker 5: Terry E.

593
00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:41,360
Speaker 2: Thigi comes into office and she says in her press conference,

594
00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:45,360
Speaker 2: and this is about continuing diversity, equity, inclusion, this is

595
00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:49,080
Speaker 2: about the collaborative agreement. And she's looking at Iris Rawley,

596
00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:50,600
Speaker 2: and she's looking at your along and she's looking at

597
00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:53,240
Speaker 2: them and all these things, and then you know you're

598
00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:55,520
Speaker 2: a few three years later we have the literally the

599
00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:58,640
Speaker 2: wheel swallow off the cart. What happened all those programs

600
00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:00,280
Speaker 2: one of those grand ideas well, if those of the

601
00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:04,120
Speaker 2: those are the conditions in which you were taught by

602
00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:06,320
Speaker 2: the people who are holding the carrot out that is

603
00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:09,560
Speaker 2: the job, then you're gonna do everything to get that carrot.

604
00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:11,960
Speaker 2: I don't see how any of this is on Terry Thiji.

605
00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:15,360
Speaker 2: What was the response from the city when we started

606
00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:16,880
Speaker 2: having a lot more of this crime? This is way,

607
00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:19,280
Speaker 2: but this is before Patrick Herringer got shot and everything

608
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:21,960
Speaker 2: the city spent. I think I had Crammer doing on talking

609
00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:25,200
Speaker 2: about this two hundred thousand dollars to keep the red

610
00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:27,880
Speaker 2: bike program in Cincinnati going, and we spent like two

611
00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:30,320
Speaker 2: million dollars over the years on the red bikes. So

612
00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:32,719
Speaker 2: Cheryl Long comes out and says, well, we know that

613
00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:35,640
Speaker 2: the bikes and the scooters are being used as tools

614
00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:38,640
Speaker 2: to commit property crimes and steal guns and help criminals

615
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:40,840
Speaker 2: of aid cops. And so what we're gonna do now

616
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:46,479
Speaker 2: is we're gonna shut down the red bikes. What Then

617
00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:49,520
Speaker 2: they doubled down and went, Okay, Hamila County Probation Department,

618
00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:50,840
Speaker 2: here's what we're gonna do. We're coming up with a

619
00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:53,000
Speaker 2: new model here because we got to do something serious.

620
00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:56,480
Speaker 2: We're gonna take thirty probation field officers and cut that

621
00:29:56,600 --> 00:29:59,440
Speaker 2: down to six. So we've got six probation officers doing

622
00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:02,000
Speaker 2: home visits for thirty eight hundred convicted felons. That's one

623
00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:05,120
Speaker 2: for over six hundred and thirtyth offenders, one for six hundred.

624
00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:09,440
Speaker 2: Because we're going to centralize our parole department instead of

625
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:10,480
Speaker 2: having substations.

626
00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:11,560
Speaker 5: Does that make any sense?

627
00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:17,240
Speaker 2: Then Patrick Harringer's murder comes along. Mordecai Black murder, aggravated

628
00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:21,760
Speaker 2: burglary kills the skuy stabs him in the neck inside

629
00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:23,480
Speaker 2: his home on East mcmick and his wife, his poor

630
00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:25,560
Speaker 2: wife standing right there. A tragedy made worse by the

631
00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:27,480
Speaker 2: fact shouldn't have never been out of jail. And the

632
00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:29,720
Speaker 2: indifference of city leaders is the worst part about that.

633
00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:32,080
Speaker 2: We had two cops on patrol that night in all

634
00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:34,000
Speaker 2: of OTR and a guy is walking around with the

635
00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:36,280
Speaker 2: machete and nobody saw him because we're one hundred and

636
00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:39,840
Speaker 2: fifty cops short. How is that on Terry Fiji. Terry

637
00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:41,840
Speaker 2: Thiji would have fifteen hundred cops who were up to

638
00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:44,160
Speaker 2: her like I want more cops on the job, not fewer.

639
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:48,960
Speaker 2: And Mordecai Black's jacket he had thirty four cases about

640
00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:52,200
Speaker 2: four pages of crime on this pos over the last

641
00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:55,640
Speaker 2: twenty years. And then to add insult to injury. And

642
00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:58,680
Speaker 2: then something no one can explain to this date is

643
00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:01,960
Speaker 2: why she was handcuffed and held for eight hours before

644
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:04,680
Speaker 2: released when her husband was murdered right in front of her.

645
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:07,560
Speaker 2: I get that initially it's always the person around closest

646
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:10,160
Speaker 2: to you who is usually responsible. But it was pretty

647
00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:12,480
Speaker 2: clear I think it did it take eight hours to

648
00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:13,200
Speaker 2: figure that out?

649
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:13,560
Speaker 3: Now?

650
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:15,400
Speaker 5: Now?

651
00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:17,120
Speaker 2: And the reaction from map to a pure of all

652
00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:22,320
Speaker 2: forty eight hours after his murder on x he posts

653
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:25,080
Speaker 2: not about the murder, not about this is not acceptable,

654
00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:29,080
Speaker 2: not talked about opening cutting the ribbon on Logan Commons,

655
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:31,880
Speaker 2: which is forty two new affordable homes for residents right

656
00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:34,880
Speaker 2: next to Findley Market. Literally stepped away from her. Patrick

657
00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:38,480
Speaker 2: Herringer was bludgeoned to death, killed murdered in his throat

658
00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:40,360
Speaker 2: slit with a machete by Mordecai Black.

659
00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:41,680
Speaker 5: Talk about tone death.

660
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:45,240
Speaker 2: We had a guy leaving an FC game and that

661
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:48,400
Speaker 2: story was tamped down by the city because they're worried

662
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:50,520
Speaker 2: about scaring people away from going to f Sea games.

663
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:54,680
Speaker 2: This guy cares about getting re elected. He cares about

664
00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:58,880
Speaker 2: sun dance, he cares about pride, He cares about blaming

665
00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:01,040
Speaker 2: the white guy for the rye, which I haven't even

666
00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:04,000
Speaker 2: gotten to yet, and all that stuff. This guy has

667
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:08,080
Speaker 2: absolutely no sense about what it is what you need

668
00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:10,080
Speaker 2: to do to make sure we have law and order.

669
00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:13,360
Speaker 2: It's not as vocabular because everything that he subscribes ascribes

670
00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:16,360
Speaker 2: to I think has been turned upside down. All his

671
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:20,240
Speaker 2: theories and beliefs about how to run a police department

672
00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:23,720
Speaker 2: has been blown up because criminals take advantage of that naivete.

673
00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:27,000
Speaker 2: You know, a job as a kid, if you're a

674
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:28,479
Speaker 2: little kid, is to try and get away as much

675
00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:32,440
Speaker 2: crap as you can. The job of a criminal is that,

676
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:34,480
Speaker 2: but on a much more serious level because you have

677
00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:37,920
Speaker 2: real victims in here. You don't have kids sneaking cookies right,

678
00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:40,280
Speaker 2: stealing change at a mom's purse or something like that,

679
00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:45,880
Speaker 2: trying to jump out a window to escape curfew. You

680
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:47,840
Speaker 2: have people who are praying out of the people, Mordecai

681
00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:50,800
Speaker 2: Black and others. And the answer is that, hey, you

682
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:52,520
Speaker 2: know what, we got to start splitting wigs here. We

683
00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:53,920
Speaker 2: got to go after these people. We got to put

684
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:56,120
Speaker 2: them behind bars. We got to quit, do you know,

685
00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:59,480
Speaker 2: we quit releasing their own recognizance. We got to make

686
00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:01,600
Speaker 2: sure that the co are not out there. We don't

687
00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:03,320
Speaker 2: want to talk to people. We don't want to stop

688
00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:06,920
Speaker 2: people for jaywalking. We don't want to stop someone iris

689
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:09,400
Speaker 2: rawling in telling a cop what to do when they're

690
00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:12,840
Speaker 2: hooking someone because they've they're wanted. No, you can't do that.

691
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:14,440
Speaker 2: You got to let them go. Well wait a minute,

692
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:16,120
Speaker 2: they're wanted, they've been worn out for their arrest. No

693
00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:18,760
Speaker 2: you can't. You're harassing them. You have rights too. We're

694
00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:21,560
Speaker 2: listening to that element instead of common sense and says

695
00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:23,240
Speaker 2: there are people out there that they're going to take

696
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:27,560
Speaker 2: advantage of how naive you are, and I didn't even

697
00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:29,320
Speaker 2: get to things like, you know, the food trucks being

698
00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:32,200
Speaker 2: done at eleven o'clock and all this other nonsense. And

699
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:35,040
Speaker 2: then finally, because of all these failed policies, grasping its

700
00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:38,560
Speaker 2: draws in doing everything in your power to ignore the

701
00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:41,520
Speaker 2: real problem, you then turn around and go, well, I

702
00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:43,720
Speaker 2: guess we're gonna have to let the chief go. How

703
00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:47,800
Speaker 2: in the hell is this on the chief? Steven m

704
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:50,600
Speaker 2: is an attorney with the Finny Law firm. He is

705
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:52,800
Speaker 2: a unemployment lawyer. He's a really good one. I've had

706
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:55,080
Speaker 2: him on a few times on my show. He is

707
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:58,120
Speaker 2: also representing, by the way, talking about checked up the

708
00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:02,600
Speaker 2: city is the former chief of fire fire chief in

709
00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:05,560
Speaker 2: the city, mister Washington. He's repping him in his dismissal

710
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:08,000
Speaker 2: as well. So now he's gonna rep Thigi and i'd

711
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:09,960
Speaker 2: imagine so I got some stuff to say. So when

712
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:11,799
Speaker 2: he breaks out, we will break in at sometime at

713
00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:14,840
Speaker 2: ten o'clock or thereafter, we'll have that press confidence for

714
00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:16,680
Speaker 2: you live. I don't think CIGI will be there. If

715
00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:18,759
Speaker 2: she is, she won't talk, But I'm guessing it's just

716
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:21,160
Speaker 2: going to be Steve im in a podium, and I'm

717
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:22,600
Speaker 2: interested to hear what he has to say about this

718
00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:24,759
Speaker 2: whole situation I just laid out for you. I don't

719
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:27,480
Speaker 2: see how much of this, if any, is on Chief Thigi.

720
00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:29,879
Speaker 2: I see a lot of it on a fouled administration

721
00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:34,520
Speaker 2: that's doing everything to grasp and fight to stay in power. Meanwhile,

722
00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:36,480
Speaker 2: how much is it going to cost you, mister and

723
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:40,360
Speaker 2: missus stax Bear to pay Terry Thigi off because of

724
00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:44,560
Speaker 2: this incompetence? While we're gonna find out. Coming up Scott's

725
00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:48,600
Speaker 2: Loan News Radio seven hundred wl All right, Catching up

726
00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:51,400
Speaker 2: here Scott's Loan seven hundred WLW Live. You heard the

727
00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:55,080
Speaker 2: voice of Stephen m attorney from the Finny Law firm

728
00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:59,479
Speaker 2: for Terry Thigi. She's on paid administrative leave as chief

729
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:03,800
Speaker 2: from the City Cincinnati, standing behind in the civilian clothes,

730
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:06,040
Speaker 2: not speaking. Obviously, let the lawyer do the talking, for

731
00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:10,000
Speaker 2: she's always smart. We've heard that Terry Thiji, a cops

732
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:12,239
Speaker 2: cop here, a long family cops and law enforcement in

733
00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:14,319
Speaker 2: Cincinnati from the West Side, was asked to resign. She

734
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:18,680
Speaker 2: refused because there's no cause, and on her thirty fifth

735
00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:21,360
Speaker 2: anniversary of her start on the job as a police office.

736
00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:24,400
Speaker 2: She finds out that she's being put on paid administrator

737
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:26,359
Speaker 2: to leave, meaning we're looking for reasons. Now we don't

738
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:28,480
Speaker 2: have reason to fire you. We're looking for reasons, and

739
00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:30,759
Speaker 2: we're going to put you on unpaid administrative leave. So

740
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:33,080
Speaker 2: what we got right now is a good old standoff.

741
00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:36,239
Speaker 2: If she stays, she gets the authority to do her job.

742
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:39,120
Speaker 2: If she goes, it's going to cost you and missus

743
00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:41,960
Speaker 2: tax payer millions and millions of dollars that you can

744
00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:44,480
Speaker 2: all afford. And it doesn't really solve the issue on

745
00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:47,960
Speaker 2: this with some instant reaction is the president of the

746
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:50,279
Speaker 2: Queen City Lodge of the FOP, that's Ken Kober, can't

747
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:51,600
Speaker 2: appreciate you jumping in this morning.

748
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:53,680
Speaker 1: Sure, thanks you to mis step.

749
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:55,799
Speaker 2: Looks like the no confidence vote you had for this

750
00:35:55,880 --> 00:36:00,399
Speaker 2: administration really really stands up at this point, isn't it.

751
00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:03,879
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean they've fumbled this from the get go.

752
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:06,400
Speaker 1: You have the chief fly across the country only the

753
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:09,480
Speaker 1: land in Denver go to go to a conference representing

754
00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:11,719
Speaker 1: the city in the police department only to tell her

755
00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:14,319
Speaker 1: to come home. And then I mean what we've seen

756
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:17,080
Speaker 1: over the last five days is just absolutely, they fumbled

757
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:18,600
Speaker 1: this whole thing. It's terrible.

758
00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:23,440
Speaker 2: Well, in addition to that, the person they appointed chief, Henny,

759
00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:27,480
Speaker 2: is the interim chief now and according to sheerlong city manager,

760
00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:30,200
Speaker 2: she said, he has my full support. I'm confident in

761
00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:32,560
Speaker 2: his leadership. I don't know if he's in the next chief,

762
00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:34,920
Speaker 2: but this is the command officer who signed a citation

763
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:37,560
Speaker 2: against the white guy in the in the brawl in

764
00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:40,520
Speaker 2: July at the urging of the mayor, which is purely political,

765
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:44,200
Speaker 2: not criminal. Even though Henny wasn't on the scene. He

766
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:47,439
Speaker 2: ran the Central business district and that had the highest

767
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:49,319
Speaker 2: spike in crime this year. The optics of that are

768
00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:51,160
Speaker 2: bad for the it gets. It goes from bad to

769
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:52,040
Speaker 2: worse for these guys.

770
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll tell you the optics are certainly not good.

771
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Speaker 1: But I will say this about Colonel Henny, as you

772
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:01,719
Speaker 1: know that hold the back. He was doing nothing but

773
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:05,600
Speaker 1: protecting investigators from having to do what they just said

774
00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:07,880
Speaker 1: I'm not going to do. And instead of them facing

775
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:10,759
Speaker 1: the consequences for standing up to it, you know, he

776
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:12,840
Speaker 1: stepped in and he protected cops, which is something that

777
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:13,880
Speaker 1: we certainly all appreciate it.

778
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:16,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with that from a cops perspective, like

779
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:17,320
Speaker 2: he got our backs. I'm not going to let the

780
00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:20,240
Speaker 2: rank and file take take the fall on this. But again,

781
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:23,240
Speaker 2: I don't know what the ethic. I think that's pretty

782
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:25,799
Speaker 2: unethical though, is that you're told by the mayor to

783
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:28,239
Speaker 2: do something. It's like, that's not how our justice system works.

784
00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:30,640
Speaker 2: As much as these people spend complaining about Donald Trump,

785
00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:33,400
Speaker 2: you just did the exact same thing that you're allegedly against.

786
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:36,799
Speaker 2: But I digress a little bit. And the other thing too,

787
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:39,600
Speaker 2: is if she were effective as chief, why would we

788
00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:41,279
Speaker 2: have so much violent crime. I think that's the big

789
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:43,960
Speaker 2: question here, is like, well, violent crime has continue to

790
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:45,440
Speaker 2: go up. The optics are bad on this. We have

791
00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:47,440
Speaker 2: Fountain Square, we had the shooting in front of the

792
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:49,520
Speaker 2: in between. It just keeps coming and coming and coming

793
00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:52,400
Speaker 2: despite what we do. And yet it wasn't all long

794
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:54,480
Speaker 2: ago we said, hey, you know, things are effective. She's

795
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:56,880
Speaker 2: doing a good job. I mean, if you're effective at something,

796
00:37:57,040 --> 00:37:58,799
Speaker 2: we should have less violent crime, not more.

797
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:01,880
Speaker 1: Well, this just proves what we know along and it

798
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:04,160
Speaker 1: proves what I've been saying all along, which is we

799
00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:07,080
Speaker 1: need to keep politics out of policing. When you have

800
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:10,479
Speaker 1: the city manager, the mayor who over over at City

801
00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:12,640
Speaker 1: Hall is telling her what she can and can't do.

802
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:18,080
Speaker 1: It's proving that that's failing. Chief Deji has the ability

803
00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:21,240
Speaker 1: to be an affected police chief. Unfortunately she's not given

804
00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:23,440
Speaker 1: that ability right now, and when she's told what to

805
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:26,239
Speaker 1: do by city Hall, she's told what she can can't do.

806
00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:28,359
Speaker 1: The end result is that this is what we have.

807
00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:31,239
Speaker 1: And this is ultimately why you know, the rank and

808
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:33,960
Speaker 1: file voted for voting no confidence against the mayor because

809
00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:36,799
Speaker 1: they should allow the chief independently to do what she

810
00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:39,080
Speaker 1: wants to do. And if she was screwing it up them,

811
00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:41,000
Speaker 1: then by all means do something about it. But the

812
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:43,240
Speaker 1: fact that they didn't fire their asking her to resign

813
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:44,480
Speaker 1: says everything you need to know.

814
00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:47,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, and this isn't her exit, this is about keeping

815
00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:50,200
Speaker 2: hers with Steve im said, So she has no desire

816
00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:52,640
Speaker 2: to go quietly. Actually she's going to go rather violently,

817
00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:54,000
Speaker 2: and it's going to cost a lot of money to

818
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:57,040
Speaker 2: make her go away. I'm just wondering would the city

819
00:38:57,080 --> 00:38:59,480
Speaker 2: give up authority because this is issue five. So let's talk

820
00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:02,360
Speaker 2: about that background in that it came after Timothy Thomas

821
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:04,640
Speaker 2: was shot and killed in two thousand and one caused

822
00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:06,960
Speaker 2: the riots. We had a charter amendment. The issue that

823
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:09,480
Speaker 2: passed I believe in November that year with just over

824
00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:11,480
Speaker 2: fifty percent of the vote, I think fifty fifty one

825
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:14,959
Speaker 2: fifty two percent. But essentially the Issue five you've mentioned

826
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:17,120
Speaker 2: that a lot ken is that the city manager in

827
00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:19,480
Speaker 2: this case here, along as the power to hire and

828
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:22,320
Speaker 2: fire a police chief, fire chief, department, heads at whim

829
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:25,920
Speaker 2: at will, and there's no balance in that whatsoever. In

830
00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:27,799
Speaker 2: the past, it used to be the FOP you guys

831
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:29,200
Speaker 2: had a little bit of a say in that. You

832
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:31,239
Speaker 2: don't have that anymore. Is that what lead to this?

833
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:35,760
Speaker 1: Well, sure, you know. And ultimately with that passing, allowing

834
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:38,520
Speaker 1: one person to have sole authority as to whether you

835
00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:42,520
Speaker 1: fire a police chief or a fire chief. It's been

836
00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:45,200
Speaker 1: proven with the fire chief. It's now been proven with

837
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:47,040
Speaker 1: what's going on with Chief Figi that this is a

838
00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:51,160
Speaker 1: terrible idea. There has to be changes to Issue five,

839
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:53,719
Speaker 1: otherwise we're going to continue to see the same thing.

840
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:56,200
Speaker 1: Doesn't matter who you make the police chief, as long

841
00:39:56,239 --> 00:39:59,319
Speaker 1: as city Hall still is making the decisions as to

842
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:01,359
Speaker 1: what's going to go on with the police department. This

843
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:02,080
Speaker 1: is what we're going to have.

844
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:05,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's Ken Cobert, President of the FOP. The reaction

845
00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:07,719
Speaker 2: to Attorney Steve Imm's press conference he heard live on

846
00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:10,320
Speaker 2: seven hundred Wow and on the stream via the iHeart

847
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:13,120
Speaker 2: radio app too, and that is saying we're fighting this.

848
00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:15,840
Speaker 2: We're not going to let Terry Thiji take essentially be

849
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:18,200
Speaker 2: a sacrificial lamb, is what he called her, and said,

850
00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:21,640
Speaker 2: this whole thing is disappointing and there's no justification or cause,

851
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:24,480
Speaker 2: which is a legal term, no cause because she took

852
00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:26,880
Speaker 2: no action or inaction on her part to cause her

853
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:29,799
Speaker 2: termination or it looks like at least her suspension no wrongdoing,

854
00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:32,279
Speaker 2: and they're going to fight this thing tooth and nail

855
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:35,319
Speaker 2: and we'll see what happens. But relative to Issue five

856
00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:37,640
Speaker 2: in this case, I had some notes here from back

857
00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:40,040
Speaker 2: in the day in two thousand and one, the manager

858
00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:42,960
Speaker 2: for Issue five that we're talking about here said, this

859
00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:45,440
Speaker 2: is how other cities do it, and of course, you know,

860
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:47,279
Speaker 2: if other cities do it well, then it's got to

861
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:50,880
Speaker 2: be successful for Cincinnati. At the time, your predecessor, Keith Fegman,

862
00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:54,920
Speaker 2: remember Keith Keith was the FOP P president, and said,

863
00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:58,080
Speaker 2: what's going to happen is it's going to politicize departments.

864
00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:01,680
Speaker 2: What's going to happen is you're going to have politicians

865
00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:05,280
Speaker 2: making decisions of law enforcement. And anytime that the something happens,

866
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:08,000
Speaker 2: it's bad. The chief is going to be a sacrificial

867
00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:10,600
Speaker 2: and we'll have a revolving door. And in that case,

868
00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:13,359
Speaker 2: he illustrated the Cleveland when they implemented this, they went

869
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:16,359
Speaker 2: through nine police chiefs I believe in less than eight

870
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:19,919
Speaker 2: years because of the system. And now Terry Thiji's gone

871
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:22,720
Speaker 2: after what three not quite three, We had a chief

872
00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:23,239
Speaker 2: before them.

873
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:25,160
Speaker 5: It's just going to be a revolving door.

874
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:28,880
Speaker 2: Because the political will power exists and there's cover, politically speaking,

875
00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:31,920
Speaker 2: to terminate the chief when in fact it's not the chief.

876
00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:34,920
Speaker 2: It's kind of like our foot our sports teams can

877
00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:38,080
Speaker 2: it's it's never the coach, the assistant coach, the line cut,

878
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:40,080
Speaker 2: it's always the ownership in the front office.

879
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:40,840
Speaker 5: That's what he's.

880
00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:44,000
Speaker 1: Saying without a doubt. I mean, Keith, he was spot

881
00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:46,600
Speaker 1: on when he said it. That was twenty four years ago.

882
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:49,560
Speaker 1: We saw with James Craig, he was the first cheat

883
00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:51,960
Speaker 1: to hire outside this police department. To rank and file

884
00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:55,000
Speaker 1: loved him. He refused to cave to pressure from city

885
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:57,080
Speaker 1: hall and after two years they went, thanks, but no,

886
00:41:57,160 --> 00:41:59,359
Speaker 1: thanks you for gone. You know, we got another chief

887
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:02,000
Speaker 1: that came in, made it eighteen months they fired him.

888
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:04,640
Speaker 1: So this is no surprise that this is all coming

889
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:06,680
Speaker 1: to fruition and it needs to change.

890
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:10,239
Speaker 2: Can this change before you overturn issue Fiation five? I'd

891
00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:12,560
Speaker 2: have to go back on the ballot. You'd have to

892
00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:14,759
Speaker 2: figure out how to work around that because there was

893
00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:17,080
Speaker 2: a charter amendment that passed in two thousand and one.

894
00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:19,000
Speaker 2: A lot of work to overdo that and the will

895
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:21,719
Speaker 2: of the voters, of course, But can Chief d Is

896
00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:23,799
Speaker 2: there room for her to come back and do her job?

897
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:26,920
Speaker 1: I don't know why she'd want to at this point,

898
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:28,960
Speaker 1: the way that she's been treated. I mean, you treat

899
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:31,600
Speaker 1: somebody as thirty five years you've given to the city,

900
00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:33,440
Speaker 1: and this is how you're being treated. And I can

901
00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:35,000
Speaker 1: tell you right now the cops are going If they're

902
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:36,239
Speaker 1: going to do this to the chief, what will they

903
00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:39,160
Speaker 1: do to me. I don't know why you would want

904
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:42,200
Speaker 1: to come back. I just don't see a scenario where

905
00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:45,759
Speaker 1: that happens, because then she's going to be constantly looking

906
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:47,160
Speaker 1: over her shoulder. What are they going to do to

907
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:50,239
Speaker 1: me next. I feel for them. Like I said, is

908
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:53,200
Speaker 1: this fight with the FOP in the city is just

909
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:55,279
Speaker 1: as much about Chief Fiji as it is for the

910
00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:57,560
Speaker 1: next chief, for the chief after that and that chief

911
00:42:57,600 --> 00:43:00,359
Speaker 1: fifty years from now. There has got to be changed made.

912
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:01,799
Speaker 1: And if I have to put all the effort in

913
00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:04,840
Speaker 1: the world to the FOP to make sure that Issue

914
00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:06,920
Speaker 1: five is changed, and that's exactly what we're going to do.

915
00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:08,120
Speaker 5: Ken Kober.

916
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:10,840
Speaker 2: The name that was mentioned the cause Steve m to

917
00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:14,839
Speaker 2: just simply pause, consider it and then say I can't

918
00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:16,640
Speaker 2: comment on that was the name Iris Rawley.

919
00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:17,200
Speaker 5: How much?

920
00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:20,520
Speaker 2: How many fingerprints are on this, her fingerprints are on

921
00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:21,439
Speaker 2: what's happening right now.

922
00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:25,480
Speaker 1: You know, it's hard saying it wouldn't surprise me. But

923
00:43:25,640 --> 00:43:27,879
Speaker 1: the problem is there was no transparency at city hall.

924
00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:30,560
Speaker 1: That is the absolute problem. You had the mayor say

925
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:34,200
Speaker 1: after the press conference that we're exploring all all options,

926
00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:36,040
Speaker 1: we're not sure if the chief's going to stay or not,

927
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:38,760
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, you know, nothing happens,

928
00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:40,520
Speaker 1: and then the mayor comes out and says, oh, this

929
00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:42,279
Speaker 1: is show a long decision, this is her It's not

930
00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:44,560
Speaker 1: my decision. It's hers, and of course then she makes

931
00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:44,960
Speaker 1: the decision.

932
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:45,120
Speaker 3: Go.

933
00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:48,400
Speaker 1: I completely support her decision. It's just the lack of

934
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:51,279
Speaker 1: transparency is staggering coming from city Hall.

935
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:53,240
Speaker 2: Well, the fact of the matter, she goes to Denver,

936
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:56,640
Speaker 2: she gets recalled, there's an urgent message, there's an urgent

937
00:43:56,680 --> 00:43:58,840
Speaker 2: issue in Cincinnati. We already had the Fountains Square shootings

938
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:01,600
Speaker 2: at this point, she's off to Denver. She comes back

939
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:03,480
Speaker 2: and now they go, well, we're going to suspend, you'll

940
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:06,239
Speaker 2: put you on paid leave. Why, Well, we can't say.

941
00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:08,640
Speaker 2: We don't know, but here's the interim chief. And this

942
00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:11,719
Speaker 2: whole thing has been handled so poorly. In drag Affter said,

943
00:44:11,719 --> 00:44:14,279
Speaker 2: but it's decision after decision like this, you know, like

944
00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:18,000
Speaker 2: one way after food carts and red bikes and breaking

945
00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:20,839
Speaker 2: up the probation departments, all these things that actually made

946
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:23,440
Speaker 2: crime worse or had no impact on whatsoever. And now

947
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:26,480
Speaker 2: ultimately the last thing they have, the last quiver in

948
00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:30,200
Speaker 2: their arsenal, is firing the chief. And I'll point out

949
00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:31,799
Speaker 2: ken I read this earlier in the show, and I

950
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:34,279
Speaker 2: think it's worth pointing out again that when she was

951
00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:37,560
Speaker 2: hired in twenty twenty two to replace Elliott, Isaac. She

952
00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:40,320
Speaker 2: was an executive assistant chief, first woman to lead the department,

953
00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:44,520
Speaker 2: and she said in her first interview or her swearing in,

954
00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:48,760
Speaker 2: her priorities upon taking office were dedicated to inheering CPD

955
00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:52,959
Speaker 2: is as inclusive as possible, and I'm committed wholeheartedly to

956
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:56,480
Speaker 2: continuing the work of the collaborative agreement. That sounds like

957
00:44:56,520 --> 00:44:59,359
Speaker 2: someone who's saying that because she know how she got

958
00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:01,040
Speaker 2: the job, like the those are the marching orders she

959
00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:04,400
Speaker 2: was given by the administration as opposed to well dealing

960
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:05,279
Speaker 2: with street level crime.

961
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:10,360
Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, you know, it's funny how this is all transpiring.

962
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:10,560
Speaker 6: Now.

963
00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:12,960
Speaker 1: It's like making an arrest and then deciding what the

964
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:18,319
Speaker 1: crime is. I mean, that's literally, that's how ridiculous this is.

965
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:20,680
Speaker 1: We're gonna put you on leave until we can figure

966
00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:23,200
Speaker 1: out why it is that we're actually going to fire you,

967
00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:25,320
Speaker 1: and then we're going to do it. It's it's absolutely nonsense.

968
00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:29,000
Speaker 1: And the rank and file recognizes that that You're, regardless

969
00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:31,960
Speaker 1: of how they feel about her as the chief, how

970
00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:34,080
Speaker 1: they feel about her as a police officer, none of

971
00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:35,880
Speaker 1: that matters. The rank and files well, and this is

972
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:38,400
Speaker 1: at right to treat somebody this way and That's why

973
00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:40,480
Speaker 1: I said that the police department of the rank and

974
00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:42,680
Speaker 1: file has certainly been united over this.

975
00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:46,239
Speaker 2: Well, it's a terrible thing, and that normally, if you're

976
00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:48,520
Speaker 2: looking to get rid of somebody, and I've worked for

977
00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:50,960
Speaker 2: places and work for places where they're always looking at

978
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:53,880
Speaker 2: you know, cut, cut some baggage, lose, they build a file.

979
00:45:54,040 --> 00:45:56,640
Speaker 2: They go, okay, well this person is doing this. Okay,

980
00:45:56,680 --> 00:45:58,760
Speaker 2: we've got a file. We've got to and you build

981
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:01,440
Speaker 2: a history so that if you have to terminate someone,

982
00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:03,799
Speaker 2: you can point to that and go it's not discrimination,

983
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:04,680
Speaker 2: it's for cause.

984
00:46:04,719 --> 00:46:06,799
Speaker 5: Here's the causes. They don't have that here.

985
00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:10,719
Speaker 2: They suspended her paid administrative leave, and now they're looking

986
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:12,640
Speaker 2: for reasons to go back and say, here's why we

987
00:46:12,680 --> 00:46:15,880
Speaker 2: put you on leave. And this could go on for

988
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:17,640
Speaker 2: weeks and weeks and weeks to try and funds find

989
00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:19,640
Speaker 2: some dirt on Terry Thiji that may or may not

990
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:21,960
Speaker 2: probably doesn't exist because you would.

991
00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:24,400
Speaker 1: Have had this stuff already, right exactly.

992
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:27,360
Speaker 2: And I guess that does have a chilling effect in

993
00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:30,279
Speaker 2: police officers. But you know, we also mentioned that the

994
00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:32,560
Speaker 2: city just went in their pocket for money, even more money,

995
00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:36,600
Speaker 2: another four and a half million dollars to pay police

996
00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:38,400
Speaker 2: officer try and recruit police office because as you know,

997
00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:40,520
Speaker 2: and you often said, were what one hundred and thirty

998
00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:43,000
Speaker 2: to one hundred and fifty cops down? Which is also

999
00:46:43,080 --> 00:46:45,000
Speaker 2: part of the problem too, because we've spent money out

1000
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:47,560
Speaker 2: of the other stupid things not getting keeping boots on

1001
00:46:47,600 --> 00:46:49,800
Speaker 2: the ground. But what does that due to recruitment efforts?

1002
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:52,239
Speaker 2: And Simmon sees this from I don't know, we're talking

1003
00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:55,400
Speaker 2: about lateral recruitments, meaning you're stealing cops from other jurisdictions,

1004
00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:57,839
Speaker 2: go come to shiny sunny Cincinnati and work here.

1005
00:46:57,880 --> 00:46:58,279
Speaker 5: It's great.

1006
00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:02,040
Speaker 2: How does that undermine the clause that you're trying to do,

1007
00:47:02,080 --> 00:47:04,399
Speaker 2: and that is getting more cops signed up, not less.

1008
00:47:04,560 --> 00:47:07,239
Speaker 2: This to me sounds like it make cops want to leave,

1009
00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:07,680
Speaker 2: not to stay.

1010
00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:10,880
Speaker 1: Without a doubt, I mean it is. It is certainly

1011
00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:15,040
Speaker 1: going to have a devastating effect on retention because we're

1012
00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:16,799
Speaker 1: going to see even more people as soon as they

1013
00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:19,240
Speaker 1: get twenty five years on that leave and then anybody

1014
00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:22,399
Speaker 1: that actually pays to pays attention to the media, Uh,

1015
00:47:22,719 --> 00:47:24,120
Speaker 1: they're not going to want to come here. So it's

1016
00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:27,200
Speaker 1: gonna it's going to also affect recruiting, and it's just

1017
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:30,600
Speaker 1: every time we finally get out of the news over

1018
00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:33,600
Speaker 1: the you know, the attack at Fourth and Elm and

1019
00:47:33,719 --> 00:47:35,839
Speaker 1: how that was handled, and we finally get passed out,

1020
00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:39,000
Speaker 1: and then now we have this, and it's just unfortunately

1021
00:47:39,080 --> 00:47:40,640
Speaker 1: City Hall seems to not be able to get out

1022
00:47:40,680 --> 00:47:43,120
Speaker 1: of their way when it comes to UH dealing with

1023
00:47:43,160 --> 00:47:46,240
Speaker 1: these issues, and it's certainly going to have a terrible

1024
00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:48,160
Speaker 1: impact on recruitment and retention.

1025
00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:51,399
Speaker 5: How long you think this drags out? What's your gut?

1026
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:55,239
Speaker 1: Say? Who knows? I mean weeks? Who knows? I mean

1027
00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:57,880
Speaker 1: it's already drug out five or six days? I just

1028
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:01,799
Speaker 1: who knows. I hope it can quickly. It's what the

1029
00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:03,640
Speaker 1: men and women of this police department deserve, it's what

1030
00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:07,440
Speaker 1: the residents deserve. So just to be handled very quickly

1031
00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:09,719
Speaker 1: and let's move on whatever that looks like, whether it's

1032
00:48:09,719 --> 00:48:12,120
Speaker 1: her coming back, her not coming back. They need to

1033
00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:13,720
Speaker 1: resolve this very very quickly.

1034
00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:16,880
Speaker 2: I know the rank and file weren't enamored with Terry Thiji,

1035
00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:20,320
Speaker 2: but man, what the city just did is solidify every

1036
00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:22,560
Speaker 2: man and woman on that thin blue or white line

1037
00:48:22,560 --> 00:48:25,080
Speaker 2: as it is in Cincinnati, on her side.

1038
00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:26,320
Speaker 5: This is incredible.

1039
00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:28,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, without a doubt.

1040
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:33,200
Speaker 5: He is Ken Coobert. He is the president of the

1041
00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:34,480
Speaker 5: Cincinnati Lodge to the FOP.

1042
00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:37,240
Speaker 2: Joining the show with his reaction following the press conference

1043
00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:40,840
Speaker 2: involving Terry Figi's administrative paid administrative leaves, I look for

1044
00:48:40,840 --> 00:48:43,719
Speaker 2: reasons to fire her, supposed to having reasons. Now we're

1045
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:46,160
Speaker 2: gonna put you on leave, pay you, and then look

1046
00:48:46,160 --> 00:48:48,680
Speaker 2: for reasons to fire you. That's completely as backwards as

1047
00:48:48,680 --> 00:48:50,400
Speaker 2: it gets or any big city, or any city in

1048
00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:53,480
Speaker 2: America for that matter. But that's our town, that is Cincinnati, USA.

1049
00:48:53,600 --> 00:48:55,080
Speaker 2: Can all the best be saved? Thanks again?

1050
00:48:55,880 --> 00:48:56,759
Speaker 1: All right, thanks very much.

1051
00:48:56,719 --> 00:48:58,400
Speaker 5: Sett news on the way. We'll shift it up a

1052
00:48:58,440 --> 00:48:58,960
Speaker 5: little bit here.

1053
00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:01,760
Speaker 2: Tim Holloway is the president of the Hamlin County Associations

1054
00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:04,680
Speaker 2: of Chiefs of Police. His reaction to this and also

1055
00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:07,239
Speaker 2: some of the areas that were pointed out in the

1056
00:49:07,239 --> 00:49:09,040
Speaker 2: press conference. When get a chance to get to and

1057
00:49:09,120 --> 00:49:11,680
Speaker 2: that would be judge's role in this whole thing, and

1058
00:49:12,239 --> 00:49:15,760
Speaker 2: the accusation by Steve im that Ted Pirrival won't engage

1059
00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:18,680
Speaker 2: county judges to force them to get tougher when it

1060
00:49:18,719 --> 00:49:21,640
Speaker 2: comes to bond and releasing people who are violent criminals.

1061
00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:24,839
Speaker 2: On their own recognizance. Chief Holloway his reaction next seven

1062
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:30,800
Speaker 2: hundred WWT Cincinnati Scott Sloane Here's news Radio seven hundred

1063
00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:34,400
Speaker 2: WLW an hour ago, a press conference to end all

1064
00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:37,800
Speaker 2: press conferences from the lips of Steve m a wonderful

1065
00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:40,200
Speaker 2: employment law attorney with the Finny Law Firm. And by

1066
00:49:40,239 --> 00:49:43,040
Speaker 2: the way, Steve is also repping former fire Chief Michael

1067
00:49:43,160 --> 00:49:47,799
Speaker 2: Washington for his discouns on his termination is the end

1068
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:51,040
Speaker 2: of his tenure. Chief Chief Fiji Terry Fiji on paid

1069
00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:55,280
Speaker 2: administrative leave, present at the press conference and civilian clothes,

1070
00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:58,560
Speaker 2: but not speaking, along with her family, who collectively have

1071
00:49:58,640 --> 00:50:01,120
Speaker 2: a combined two hundred and ninety plus years of service

1072
00:50:01,520 --> 00:50:03,919
Speaker 2: to Cincinnati. They're all in law enforcement or re leased

1073
00:50:03,920 --> 00:50:06,719
Speaker 2: in the public service of that matter. Chief Fiji, on

1074
00:50:06,920 --> 00:50:10,800
Speaker 2: the thirty fifth anniversary of her becoming a cop, found

1075
00:50:10,840 --> 00:50:13,600
Speaker 2: out that she was the subject of a secret investigation

1076
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:16,960
Speaker 2: basically with no timeline or reason. And she was told

1077
00:50:17,080 --> 00:50:19,439
Speaker 2: that we're going to put you on paid administrative leave,

1078
00:50:19,840 --> 00:50:21,720
Speaker 2: and we're going to point someone else in your stead,

1079
00:50:22,160 --> 00:50:24,239
Speaker 2: and you kind of see the writing on the wall.

1080
00:50:24,520 --> 00:50:27,279
Speaker 2: I don't think what they saw coming was that she

1081
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Speaker 2: was going to fight this, and her attorney saying there's

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00:50:29,600 --> 00:50:32,480
Speaker 2: no justification. There was no cause, in which, if you

1083
00:50:32,520 --> 00:50:34,879
Speaker 2: know about employment law a little bit, you know the

1084
00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:37,240
Speaker 2: cause basically means it's something you did. There's no cause,

1085
00:50:37,280 --> 00:50:40,200
Speaker 2: so there's no action or inaction on her part. She

1086
00:50:40,239 --> 00:50:43,520
Speaker 2: has a spotless record. In called her a sacrificial lamb,

1087
00:50:43,840 --> 00:50:47,360
Speaker 2: and she has absolutely no wrongdoing. This was one hundred

1088
00:50:47,400 --> 00:50:49,800
Speaker 2: percent at the behest of the mayor was the suggest

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00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:52,040
Speaker 2: and the inference there that she is just a political

1090
00:50:52,040 --> 00:50:54,880
Speaker 2: scapegoat in a pawn. For the bigger part crime problems

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00:50:54,920 --> 00:50:57,640
Speaker 2: that exists not because of Terry Thiji and her incompetence,

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00:50:57,800 --> 00:51:01,200
Speaker 2: but rather because of the foul policies that may aor

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00:51:01,239 --> 00:51:03,279
Speaker 2: aft to have pure vall shechy lung at All won't

1094
00:51:03,280 --> 00:51:05,960
Speaker 2: own up to, and that that is the real issue.

1095
00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:08,319
Speaker 2: So how do you fire? You can't fire your way

1096
00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:10,839
Speaker 2: out of bad policy, but they're trying to do that,

1097
00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:14,040
Speaker 2: and so the end result is Terry Thigi is standing strong.

1098
00:51:14,560 --> 00:51:17,480
Speaker 2: She's felt during your tenure she's been hamstrung by politics.

1099
00:51:17,560 --> 00:51:20,239
Speaker 2: You can't do your job. The city, though, issued a

1100
00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:23,200
Speaker 2: statement from share Long City Manager saying public safety is

1101
00:51:23,640 --> 00:51:26,320
Speaker 2: our top priority. That is the issue is it really

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00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:29,480
Speaker 2: you know, I would say that, you know, if we

1103
00:51:29,560 --> 00:51:32,759
Speaker 2: keep going through chiefs and subordinates, we keep getting more

1104
00:51:32,760 --> 00:51:35,200
Speaker 2: of the same. It sounds like a metaphor for our

1105
00:51:35,239 --> 00:51:38,839
Speaker 2: sports teams here in Cincinnati. Is maybe just maybe it

1106
00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:41,560
Speaker 2: ain't the guys on the field, It ain't the assistant coaches,

1107
00:51:41,719 --> 00:51:45,239
Speaker 2: it ain't that. Maybe it's the front office. Maybe just

1108
00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:48,440
Speaker 2: maybe that's what it is. Nonetheless, joining the show this

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00:51:48,520 --> 00:51:51,560
Speaker 2: morning with his reaction is the president of the Hamilton

1110
00:51:51,640 --> 00:51:54,600
Speaker 2: County Association of Chiefs the Police, and that would be

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00:51:54,880 --> 00:51:56,640
Speaker 2: Tim Holloway. Tim, good morning, how are you?

1112
00:51:57,560 --> 00:51:58,960
Speaker 1: No morning, Scott, good to be with you.

1113
00:51:59,120 --> 00:52:01,040
Speaker 2: These are the things that make one say thank I

1114
00:52:01,080 --> 00:52:02,560
Speaker 2: may be a police chief, we may have our own

1115
00:52:02,600 --> 00:52:05,360
Speaker 2: issues wherever we are across the multi the numbers of

1116
00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:08,440
Speaker 2: agencies across the Hamilton County, but at least we're not

1117
00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:10,680
Speaker 2: the city of Cincinnati. I say that tongue in cheek

1118
00:52:10,760 --> 00:52:13,600
Speaker 2: because I can't help but think that what's happening in

1119
00:52:13,640 --> 00:52:17,160
Speaker 2: Cincinnati with the crime, does that affect all of the

1120
00:52:17,560 --> 00:52:20,279
Speaker 2: other jurisdictions that are in Cincinnati. Because you represent a

1121
00:52:20,360 --> 00:52:24,360
Speaker 2: number of agencies in Hamlin County, the chiefs of police Association. Tim,

1122
00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:27,400
Speaker 2: does the crime problem in Fountain Square and elsewhere in

1123
00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:29,240
Speaker 2: the central business have a ripple effect?

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00:52:29,520 --> 00:52:30,720
Speaker 5: Does that make your job harder?

1125
00:52:31,600 --> 00:52:33,399
Speaker 6: Well, you know, Scott, I think it's one of those

1126
00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:38,479
Speaker 6: issues where it's a cultural issue inside the Hamilt County

1127
00:52:38,480 --> 00:52:42,440
Speaker 6: criminal justice system, and there's a sense from the criminals

1128
00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:44,680
Speaker 6: and also law enforcement and a lot of the citizens

1129
00:52:45,080 --> 00:52:47,600
Speaker 6: that there's not a lot of accountability coming out of

1130
00:52:47,640 --> 00:52:50,200
Speaker 6: the Hamilt Counting criminal justice system. And that applies to

1131
00:52:50,239 --> 00:52:53,240
Speaker 6: crimes that happened in Cincinnati or even there or anywhere

1132
00:52:53,239 --> 00:52:53,960
Speaker 6: else in the county.

1133
00:52:54,200 --> 00:52:56,360
Speaker 2: Were you shocked when you learn that Tierry Thiji was

1134
00:52:56,400 --> 00:52:58,200
Speaker 2: on paid administrative leab or do you see this coming?

1135
00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:03,920
Speaker 6: I feel really sorry for Terry. She is a respected

1136
00:53:04,080 --> 00:53:07,920
Speaker 6: member of the Hamilcant Association of Chiefs of Police, and

1137
00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:11,359
Speaker 6: what she's having to go through down there, it's really unfortunate.

1138
00:53:11,840 --> 00:53:16,200
Speaker 6: I will leave the mechanics of all that to Terry

1139
00:53:16,239 --> 00:53:19,760
Speaker 6: and her attorney and the City of Cincinnati to work through.

1140
00:53:22,200 --> 00:53:25,360
Speaker 6: She is a tremendous amount of knowledge, tremendous amount of experience,

1141
00:53:25,440 --> 00:53:28,920
Speaker 6: and as you mentioned, her family's combined experience. I know

1142
00:53:29,080 --> 00:53:33,200
Speaker 6: some of several of her family members you're talking about

1143
00:53:33,239 --> 00:53:37,360
Speaker 6: a family and Chief Fiji in particular, that have demonstrated

1144
00:53:37,360 --> 00:53:41,120
Speaker 6: a long term commitment to service and public safety.

1145
00:53:42,600 --> 00:53:46,080
Speaker 2: I forget, Tim Refreshman, how many different agencies make up

1146
00:53:46,120 --> 00:53:47,560
Speaker 2: the Association Chief the place for.

1147
00:53:47,520 --> 00:53:50,760
Speaker 5: Hamilkunt There's thirty five agents, thirty.

1148
00:53:50,560 --> 00:53:53,320
Speaker 2: Five and I like I asked ken Kobra about the

1149
00:53:53,400 --> 00:53:54,920
Speaker 2: rank and file, the men and women of the thin

1150
00:53:54,960 --> 00:53:56,920
Speaker 2: blue line of the same white line of the Cincinnati

1151
00:53:56,920 --> 00:53:59,239
Speaker 2: Police Department. When when you talk to members, you're thirty

1152
00:53:59,280 --> 00:54:02,760
Speaker 2: five members, typically is Chief Neigs you looked at favorably?

1153
00:54:04,719 --> 00:54:05,400
Speaker 1: I would think so.

1154
00:54:05,640 --> 00:54:08,400
Speaker 6: And to put that in perspective, I'll leave that largely

1155
00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:12,520
Speaker 6: for ken Cobra to comment on. People may find this shocking,

1156
00:54:12,560 --> 00:54:17,080
Speaker 6: but the rank and file police officers don't spend a

1157
00:54:17,080 --> 00:54:20,279
Speaker 6: lot of time thinking about Chief dj just like the

1158
00:54:20,680 --> 00:54:22,959
Speaker 6: rank and file deputies of the Cherf's Apartment don't spend

1159
00:54:22,960 --> 00:54:25,480
Speaker 6: a lot of time thinking about Chief Holloway. You know,

1160
00:54:25,840 --> 00:54:29,279
Speaker 6: we all have our communities that we serve. I I'll

1161
00:54:29,360 --> 00:54:31,000
Speaker 6: leed the ken Cobra and the rest of the folks

1162
00:54:31,040 --> 00:54:33,640
Speaker 6: of Cincinnati offered their opinion on that one.

1163
00:54:33,960 --> 00:54:34,200
Speaker 5: Tim.

1164
00:54:34,200 --> 00:54:35,759
Speaker 2: One of the issues that came up, of course, is

1165
00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:39,880
Speaker 2: issue five, and that was a charter rewrite that people

1166
00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:42,240
Speaker 2: wanted back in two thousand and one following the riots,

1167
00:54:42,520 --> 00:54:45,480
Speaker 2: and we're both around for that, and that is giving

1168
00:54:45,560 --> 00:54:48,320
Speaker 2: the city manager in essence all authority over the chiefs

1169
00:54:48,320 --> 00:54:51,719
Speaker 2: of police, fire and leadership. And we saw why that

1170
00:54:51,800 --> 00:54:53,480
Speaker 2: was a bad thing. At the time, a lot of

1171
00:54:53,520 --> 00:54:56,640
Speaker 2: people thought it was good. There's one entity in Keith Fahman.

1172
00:54:56,760 --> 00:54:58,839
Speaker 2: Then the FOP president said this is a bad idea

1173
00:54:58,880 --> 00:55:00,800
Speaker 2: because it's going to be one hundred percent political and

1174
00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:03,960
Speaker 2: any time that there's anytime something like this happens, it's

1175
00:55:04,000 --> 00:55:05,960
Speaker 2: going to be a sacrificial lamb. And we saw that

1176
00:55:06,040 --> 00:55:08,240
Speaker 2: come to fruition today or at least in the last

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00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:11,240
Speaker 2: week or so. That's not an issue that exists anywhere

1178
00:55:11,320 --> 00:55:15,040
Speaker 2: outside of the city. And so I think in other areas, like,

1179
00:55:15,080 --> 00:55:17,040
Speaker 2: for example, where you are, you have some authority and

1180
00:55:17,080 --> 00:55:20,160
Speaker 2: autonomy to do your job and go after bad guys

1181
00:55:20,160 --> 00:55:20,800
Speaker 2: as you see.

1182
00:55:20,640 --> 00:55:25,840
Speaker 6: Fit Yeh Scott, every single police chief in the county

1183
00:55:25,920 --> 00:55:28,560
Speaker 6: is in largely the same situation, and that is we

1184
00:55:28,640 --> 00:55:32,960
Speaker 6: have an obligation to provide police services to our community

1185
00:55:33,160 --> 00:55:38,520
Speaker 6: consistent with that community's expectations. And obviously the elected officials

1186
00:55:38,520 --> 00:55:39,440
Speaker 6: should weigh.

1187
00:55:39,200 --> 00:55:41,800
Speaker 3: In with the police use.

1188
00:55:41,640 --> 00:55:44,120
Speaker 6: On their opinion of what that means. But at the

1189
00:55:44,239 --> 00:55:48,319
Speaker 6: end of the day, you hire a police chief for

1190
00:55:48,400 --> 00:55:53,480
Speaker 6: their knowledge and experience about law enforcement strategies. The elected

1191
00:55:53,520 --> 00:55:55,839
Speaker 6: officials here in Evendale would be a fool to come

1192
00:55:55,840 --> 00:55:59,680
Speaker 6: to me about tax increment financing or tax abatements because

1193
00:55:59,680 --> 00:56:02,720
Speaker 6: that's that's not my specially. They should go to somebody

1194
00:56:02,719 --> 00:56:08,400
Speaker 6: else for that. And politicians, while they have an opinion

1195
00:56:08,480 --> 00:56:13,440
Speaker 6: on goals for law enforcement, they ought not be dictating strategy.

1196
00:56:13,520 --> 00:56:15,800
Speaker 6: It's not because it's not important to them. It's because

1197
00:56:16,120 --> 00:56:19,319
Speaker 6: they don't have the right frame of knowledge and experience

1198
00:56:19,480 --> 00:56:20,600
Speaker 6: that a police she has.

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00:56:20,760 --> 00:56:23,520
Speaker 2: All right, One of the things brought up, Tim Holloway

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00:56:23,800 --> 00:56:26,360
Speaker 2: with this press conference that we carried is that the

1201
00:56:27,760 --> 00:56:30,200
Speaker 2: I think I know Steve im said this directly or not,

1202
00:56:30,320 --> 00:56:34,000
Speaker 2: but basically the mayor won't engage county judges about low

1203
00:56:34,080 --> 00:56:37,839
Speaker 2: bonds in releasing people on their own recognizo ours and

1204
00:56:37,880 --> 00:56:39,520
Speaker 2: that's part of the problem here. It's one thing to

1205
00:56:39,560 --> 00:56:42,960
Speaker 2: talk about, you know, Terry Thiji in hercompetence or incompetence

1206
00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:45,520
Speaker 2: and why she was put on paid administry of leaving

1207
00:56:45,560 --> 00:56:48,480
Speaker 2: the politics behind that it's almost always politics, and it's

1208
00:56:48,480 --> 00:56:51,239
Speaker 2: an unfortunate situation for Terry and her family, and it's

1209
00:56:51,280 --> 00:56:53,879
Speaker 2: also grossly unfair, and it's making people who once were

1210
00:56:53,880 --> 00:56:55,600
Speaker 2: on the fence are like not a big fan of

1211
00:56:55,680 --> 00:56:59,000
Speaker 2: Terry Thiji come to her defense. And so it's worked out,

1212
00:56:59,040 --> 00:57:01,759
Speaker 2: I think in that area very well for her. But

1213
00:57:02,080 --> 00:57:04,560
Speaker 2: when you hear that, the mayor won't engage with even

1214
00:57:04,719 --> 00:57:07,280
Speaker 2: talk to judges and say, look, we got a problem.

1215
00:57:07,400 --> 00:57:09,960
Speaker 2: You guys keep releasing people on low bond. They get

1216
00:57:09,960 --> 00:57:12,239
Speaker 2: out and they do worse things. The mayor won't even

1217
00:57:12,280 --> 00:57:13,799
Speaker 2: have that conversation.

1218
00:57:13,360 --> 00:57:16,320
Speaker 1: Right, that's my understanding.

1219
00:57:16,760 --> 00:57:18,800
Speaker 6: I'm not part of any of those conversations. I have

1220
00:57:18,920 --> 00:57:22,200
Speaker 6: no direct contact with the mayor of the City Cincinnati.

1221
00:57:22,280 --> 00:57:25,120
Speaker 6: All I can tell you is collectively, the police chiefs

1222
00:57:25,160 --> 00:57:29,160
Speaker 6: in the Hamilton County recognize this problem for quite a

1223
00:57:29,240 --> 00:57:32,360
Speaker 6: few years. And Chief Thiji brought us that challenge a

1224
00:57:32,400 --> 00:57:35,480
Speaker 6: few months ago to address some of these systemic issues

1225
00:57:35,520 --> 00:57:38,800
Speaker 6: in the criminal justice system. And we are working hard

1226
00:57:38,880 --> 00:57:40,880
Speaker 6: on that and will continue to work hard on that.

1227
00:57:41,360 --> 00:57:44,120
Speaker 2: And d I think is there's multi legs of this stool, right,

1228
00:57:44,160 --> 00:57:46,440
Speaker 2: and one of them is enforcement. It's getting tough on

1229
00:57:46,520 --> 00:57:49,200
Speaker 2: those who are violing the law. The last edict a

1230
00:57:49,280 --> 00:57:51,360
Speaker 2: Fountain Square was like, look, we're gonna have swat, We're

1231
00:57:51,360 --> 00:57:53,720
Speaker 2: gonna have operations out there. We're going to stop people

1232
00:57:53,720 --> 00:57:56,240
Speaker 2: and talk to them, make contact with people when they

1233
00:57:56,400 --> 00:57:58,760
Speaker 2: violate the law. And the slightest it's the broken windows

1234
00:57:58,800 --> 00:58:02,120
Speaker 2: theory policing, which seems to work. But the other side

1235
00:58:02,160 --> 00:58:04,160
Speaker 2: of this thing, and one of the other areas is

1236
00:58:04,200 --> 00:58:06,520
Speaker 2: the judges in the courts themselves. The fact that probation,

1237
00:58:06,680 --> 00:58:09,720
Speaker 2: parole and juvenile courts have they yet to talk to

1238
00:58:09,760 --> 00:58:12,280
Speaker 2: the associations. The chiefs police had a discussion with you guys.

1239
00:58:12,320 --> 00:58:14,560
Speaker 2: You've had open houses and roundtables and everything else, and

1240
00:58:14,680 --> 00:58:17,920
Speaker 2: so far they hid behind some sort of judicial canon,

1241
00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:21,560
Speaker 2: some judicial code of conduct that prohibits them from sitting

1242
00:58:21,560 --> 00:58:24,520
Speaker 2: down and discussing what their mindset is when they release

1243
00:58:24,600 --> 00:58:27,320
Speaker 2: people on very low bonds or all are because that

1244
00:58:27,360 --> 00:58:29,680
Speaker 2: would violate some sort of judicial code. At the same time,

1245
00:58:29,720 --> 00:58:31,160
Speaker 2: these are the same folks who went out when it's

1246
00:58:31,200 --> 00:58:33,480
Speaker 2: time to get out the vote and had open houses

1247
00:58:33,480 --> 00:58:35,560
Speaker 2: and went out in the community and talked about voting

1248
00:58:35,600 --> 00:58:38,600
Speaker 2: and how they're getting good judges on the bench are important.

1249
00:58:38,640 --> 00:58:41,680
Speaker 2: So somehow that's different but the same in that regard, though,

1250
00:58:42,600 --> 00:58:45,280
Speaker 2: have you yet to have any conversations with the entities

1251
00:58:45,320 --> 00:58:47,960
Speaker 2: here that aren't showing up to these roundtables you're holding.

1252
00:58:49,880 --> 00:58:54,040
Speaker 6: You know, Scott, To the credit of the common police judges,

1253
00:58:54,120 --> 00:58:56,920
Speaker 6: they did invite us down to speak to all of

1254
00:58:56,920 --> 00:58:59,800
Speaker 6: them and that conversation went very well. And some of

1255
00:58:59,800 --> 00:59:02,800
Speaker 6: the please judges and municipal judges have come to these

1256
00:59:02,840 --> 00:59:07,640
Speaker 6: community lead listening sessions and we expect that we're gonna

1257
00:59:07,640 --> 00:59:12,360
Speaker 6: be talking with the municipal judges sometime next week. But yes,

1258
00:59:12,440 --> 00:59:15,880
Speaker 6: you're right, we have yet to hear from from Juvenile Court,

1259
00:59:16,280 --> 00:59:19,400
Speaker 6: and we have yet to hear from Probation and parole,

1260
00:59:19,840 --> 00:59:22,520
Speaker 6: and you know, all these partners in the criminal just

1261
00:59:22,560 --> 00:59:25,880
Speaker 6: system we need to be working together to make Hamilton

1262
00:59:25,920 --> 00:59:29,560
Speaker 6: County safer. You know, people will throw around crime stats

1263
00:59:29,560 --> 00:59:31,440
Speaker 6: a lot, and whether it's up three percent this year,

1264
00:59:31,520 --> 00:59:34,960
Speaker 6: four percent next year, or whatever it is. At the

1265
00:59:35,040 --> 00:59:36,960
Speaker 6: end of the day, we live in a new environment

1266
00:59:37,080 --> 00:59:41,680
Speaker 6: where through social media and just electronic media in general,

1267
00:59:41,960 --> 00:59:45,200
Speaker 6: people are far better informed about I'm in their own

1268
00:59:45,240 --> 00:59:48,520
Speaker 6: community and neighboring communities. And the fact of the matter is,

1269
00:59:48,680 --> 00:59:52,480
Speaker 6: if people feel unsafe someplace. It doesn't matter what the

1270
00:59:52,520 --> 00:59:56,000
Speaker 6: statistics say. And we have an obligation for people to

1271
00:59:56,040 --> 00:59:58,480
Speaker 6: feel safe in every community in Hamlin County.

1272
00:59:58,680 --> 00:59:59,000
Speaker 3: All right.

1273
00:59:59,000 --> 01:00:01,840
Speaker 2: We have the price confidence with Terry Thiji and her

1274
01:00:01,920 --> 01:00:05,200
Speaker 2: attorney fighting back, pushing back against the claims of either

1275
01:00:05,280 --> 01:00:07,880
Speaker 2: negligence and competence or something along those lines. And the

1276
01:00:07,920 --> 01:00:10,920
Speaker 2: fact that, in the words of Steve n basically as

1277
01:00:10,960 --> 01:00:13,600
Speaker 2: we came up with a crime, we came up with

1278
01:00:13,600 --> 01:00:15,760
Speaker 2: a charge, and then we're still trying to find out

1279
01:00:15,760 --> 01:00:17,120
Speaker 2: what the crime is. They can't find out what the

1280
01:00:17,160 --> 01:00:20,080
Speaker 2: crime is, even though the charge sounds familiar. But in

1281
01:00:20,120 --> 01:00:22,880
Speaker 2: that regard, I have Tim holloway on he is president

1282
01:00:22,880 --> 01:00:24,960
Speaker 2: of the Hamlet County Associations the Chiefs of Police, and

1283
01:00:25,000 --> 01:00:28,000
Speaker 2: his reaction to what transpired today and what's transpired with

1284
01:00:28,080 --> 01:00:30,520
Speaker 2: Terry Thiji. And also part of the problems we're talking

1285
01:00:30,560 --> 01:00:34,640
Speaker 2: about is the juvenile courts, probation prole departments and their

1286
01:00:34,720 --> 01:00:38,160
Speaker 2: issue with bonds. You have specific issues relative to this,

1287
01:00:38,200 --> 01:00:40,400
Speaker 2: because didn't we just have a case in Coryville that

1288
01:00:40,440 --> 01:00:41,760
Speaker 2: to illustrate the absurdity of this.

1289
01:00:42,960 --> 01:00:45,880
Speaker 6: Yeah, and I will say this, I'm going to criticize

1290
01:00:45,920 --> 01:00:48,880
Speaker 6: Judge Yates on one hand and give him kudos. On

1291
01:00:48,920 --> 01:00:52,840
Speaker 6: the other hand, I will criticize his decision making process.

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Speaker 6: There was a shoplift at Kroger and Coreyville, and when

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Speaker 6: he was confronted by Kroger security, he resisted them.

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Speaker 1: The police were called.

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Speaker 6: Police officers got involved, and when Judge Yates got ready

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Speaker 6: to pass bond to his arraignment, what Judge Yates knew

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Speaker 6: was that the defendant had arrested and mazed a sintinct

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Speaker 6: police officer and a security guard from Kroker, and there

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Speaker 6: was a series of charges. I don't remember what they

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Speaker 6: all were, but there were several different felonies, including robbery

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Speaker 6: and felonious assault, and he was able to walk out

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Speaker 6: of the courtroom having only to post a five hundred

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Speaker 6: dollars bond. Now, to Judge Yates's credit, he did respond

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Speaker 6: to media inquiries on this and gave his explanation. So

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Speaker 6: I'm glad that he's being transparent and accountable. But on

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Speaker 6: the other hand, you know, the judge Yates said that

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Speaker 6: one of the responsibilities of bail or judge and setting

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Speaker 6: bail is to consider how dangerous the defendant is and

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Speaker 6: whether they're likely to appear in court. And I think

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Speaker 6: when anybody with common sense looks at these facts, this

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Speaker 6: guy was so bound and determined not to be held

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Speaker 6: accountable for a theft that he was willing to assault

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Speaker 6: a security guard. He was willing to assault a SINCEAI

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Speaker 6: police officer and spray them with mace and try and

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Speaker 6: get away.

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Speaker 1: People like that.

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Speaker 6: Are dangerous to the community. And when he was not

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Speaker 6: even willing to submit to an arrest, why would anybody

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Speaker 6: think that this guy's going to come back and show

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Speaker 6: up in court voluntarily. This was clearly a situation where

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Speaker 6: the judge could have laid up that set of facts

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Speaker 6: and had his bond ten to fifteen higher than what

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Speaker 6: he did, and it still would have been consistent with

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Speaker 6: a lot of other decisions down there. On the other hand,

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Speaker 6: Janakio just a few days put a two point six

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Speaker 6: million dollar bond on a defendant on a Piloni's assault charge.

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Speaker 6: So people have the right to expect that the judges

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Speaker 6: are going to work to keep the community safe.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, just top of my head. The way

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Speaker 2: he described that is you have robbery first of all,

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Speaker 2: which is the mitigating cause, but then you have follows assault,

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Speaker 2: You have obstructing official business. Probably you have assault on

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Speaker 2: the police officer. There's probably a ton of charges involved there,

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Speaker 2: and yet it says, yeah, three hundred dollars.

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Speaker 5: That's fine.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it baffles me, and I do you, And I

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Speaker 6: talked about this before. I'm not looking to take away

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Speaker 6: autonomy and discretion from judges. That's not what our afforts

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Speaker 6: are about. But it's about making judges that callible for

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Speaker 6: how they exercise that autonomy and discretion. And I think

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Speaker 6: I speak for a lot of people when when I

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Speaker 6: say that that bond in that case is unreasonably low.

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Speaker 2: And I'll point out too that this happened when middle

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Speaker 2: October sometime maybe a couple of weeks ago.

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Speaker 6: I believe it was like the fourteenth or fifteenth, so

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Speaker 6: just a handful of days ago.

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Speaker 2: So this wasn't prior. This was after we had things

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Speaker 2: like Patrick Carringer's murder with Mordecai Black, where we had

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Speaker 2: assaults downtown. We've had numerous shootings and murders involving people

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Speaker 2: who had a weapon under disability. Hell, we just had

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Speaker 2: one in Fountain Square. Well, Fountain Square is one of them,

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Speaker 2: but also the one near in between Sycamore and third,

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Speaker 2: where you had an individual who was wearing an ankle

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Speaker 2: monitor shoot to death another person in a car for

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Speaker 2: reasons we don't know at this point, and this happened

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Speaker 2: after all of those things occurred.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so that's true.

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Speaker 5: Looking for.

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Speaker 6: You look at both the Fountain Square shooting and the

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Speaker 6: shooting down in between. You're talking about people with extensive

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Speaker 6: criminal history. And in the case of the shooting down

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Speaker 6: there in between, the both the defendant and the victim

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Speaker 6: had extensive criminal history. And I think that's the point

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Speaker 6: that we're focused on. It's not a lock everybody up,

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Speaker 6: but it's locked the right people up. And there's some

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Speaker 6: very dangerous criminals run around Hamilton County, and we need

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Speaker 6: to pick out those one hundred to two hundred most

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Speaker 6: dangerous criminals, and the entire criminal justic system needs to

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Speaker 6: figure out.

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Speaker 1: How we're going to keep these keep us on anybody else.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, well, the in between one would happened after,

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Speaker 2: but still, you know, you have a long history of

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Speaker 2: people who say, hey, you know what, Okay, fine, I'll

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Speaker 2: go look for a job and I'll be accountable to

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Speaker 2: the probation department. When people just leave minutes after that,

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01:05:17,280 --> 01:05:19,320
Speaker 2: the ink is even dried in that agreement, and they're

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Speaker 2: out back committing crimes yet again. And instead of looking

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Speaker 2: at and going well, we have people taking advantage of

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Speaker 2: the system. It's time to turn the screws down a

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Speaker 2: little bit more than the three hundred dollars bond. We

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Speaker 2: have judges just continuing to rubber stamp this kind of

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Speaker 2: behavior and it just encouraged go, hey, three hundred dollars

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Speaker 2: and I can go commit more crimes. Good, sign me up.

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Speaker 2: I'll just keep lying to the judge and they'll keep

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Speaker 2: slapping me on the wrist. It's a revolving door. Stupidity

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Speaker 2: is what it is. Tim Holloway is the president of

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Speaker 2: the Hamlet County Association of Chiefs of Police.

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Speaker 5: Thanks for jumping in this morning, Tim, all the best,

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Speaker 5: be safe, all right, thanks Scott.

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Speaker 2: Are we get a time out and we've got news

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Speaker 2: on the will reset. We'll find out the very latest.

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Speaker 2: And the followed continues from the press conference by Steve

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Speaker 2: and m at ten o'clock this morning regarding the I

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Speaker 2: guess the peaceful surrender of Terry Fiji. She's not going

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01:06:03,840 --> 01:06:05,480
Speaker 2: to go quietly. It's not going to be a peaceful

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Speaker 2: surrender at all. It's going to cost the taxpayers of

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Speaker 2: the city of Cincinnati millions to make it go away.

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Speaker 2: All she wants to do is stay and have more

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Speaker 2: say in how to police things, which sounds like a

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Speaker 2: reasonable request. We'll see how it plays out. More to

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01:06:17,920 --> 01:06:19,880
Speaker 2: follow here Willie's going to pick us up at twelve

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Speaker 2: oh six day. As a matter of fact, we'll be

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01:06:21,320 --> 01:06:23,960
Speaker 2: talking about this all day long. Here seven hundred wlbody

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01:06:24,520 --> 01:06:27,640
Speaker 2: time to talk about money, how to make it, how

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01:06:27,680 --> 01:06:34,760
Speaker 2: to keep it, and how to keep others off your stash.

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Speaker 5: This is all Worth Advice with Andy Shaeffer.

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Speaker 2: All Right, we tap out a second from the police

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01:06:40,880 --> 01:06:44,360
Speaker 2: chief thing to well your money, because I hate talking

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01:06:44,360 --> 01:06:46,720
Speaker 2: about the same thing for hours at a time. Let's

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01:06:46,760 --> 01:06:49,600
Speaker 2: talk about something that you've got more skin and control

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01:06:49,640 --> 01:06:51,240
Speaker 2: in the game, and that is what's in your wallet,

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Speaker 2: or maybe not even all on. That is our buddy,

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Speaker 2: Andy Shaeffer from all Worth Financial and simply Money. Welcome,

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Speaker 2: How are you, Good morning, Scott. I'm doing great drama today.

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Speaker 2: We got drama all over. The drama continues. Let's get

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Speaker 2: into the market stuff, and first and foremost, I'm curious.

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Speaker 2: Yesterday we had a huge outage with Amazon Web services

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Speaker 2: didn't see what the markets did yesterday. Yeah, we see

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01:07:12,160 --> 01:07:14,320
Speaker 2: that scarce hellity because you're talking about a lot of

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01:07:14,360 --> 01:07:20,200
Speaker 2: commerce getting shut down for a good period yesterday, banking, security, retail,

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Speaker 2: all that stuff. When these kind of things happen, what

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01:07:23,080 --> 01:07:24,919
Speaker 2: kind of impact do they have in the short term?

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01:07:25,040 --> 01:07:26,960
Speaker 2: On short term but you know, you wonder if this

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01:07:26,960 --> 01:07:29,560
Speaker 2: thing went on for days, which is entirely possible with

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Speaker 2: the hacks that we've had lately that we've talked about,

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Speaker 2: the impact that would have on the markets.

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Speaker 7: Not much. Well, it depends on what kind of breach

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Speaker 7: it was. You know, these types of companies, whether it's

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Speaker 7: Amazon or any other big type of retailer, you know,

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Speaker 7: gets hacked and attempted hacked all the time. And you know,

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Speaker 7: for us at all Worth Financial, you know, our second

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Speaker 7: biggest department is our technology and security team. So it's

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Speaker 7: very important number one to make sure that you continue

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01:07:56,080 --> 01:07:59,560
Speaker 7: to do business as you always do business. But number two,

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Speaker 7: to make sure that nothing nefarious is going on where

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Speaker 7: they're trying to you know, hold this company hostage for

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01:08:05,360 --> 01:08:07,800
Speaker 7: ransom or whatever it may be. I think in this case,

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01:08:08,760 --> 01:08:10,880
Speaker 7: you know, as long as Amazon can get back up

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Speaker 7: and running, fairly quickly.

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Speaker 5: It's not a big deal.

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Speaker 7: But if you remember years ago there was a breach

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Speaker 7: with Target and a lot of individuals credit was compromised.

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Speaker 7: You know, I was one of them. I got a

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01:08:22,320 --> 01:08:24,200
Speaker 7: letter and said, hey, you want to reach out to

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01:08:24,400 --> 01:08:26,840
Speaker 7: you know, the three major credit agencies and probably freeze

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Speaker 7: your credit. That can have a more serious impact. But

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Speaker 7: the markets did just find yesterday didn't have a significant

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Speaker 7: magnificant impact on Amazon or economy because it is such

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Speaker 7: a robust company and so is our economy.

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Speaker 2: Well you're gonna see that someday there we're going to

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01:08:41,840 --> 01:08:44,360
Speaker 2: have a massive outage like this, and it's really going

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Speaker 2: to rock if it went on maybe for a day

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01:08:47,240 --> 01:08:50,719
Speaker 2: or two or longer. We've seen companies be held hostage

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Speaker 2: by malware, you know, kettering health for example, recent local example,

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Speaker 2: local media spells around here where they were had malware.

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Speaker 2: Now that that's certainly probably not gonna affect something as

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Speaker 2: big as an Amazon, But if we had a major

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01:09:02,400 --> 01:09:05,240
Speaker 2: outage like that, the markets would just pumble. I would think,

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Speaker 2: I just wonder how long we would go without those

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Speaker 2: services and with those platforms and now with that commerce

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Speaker 2: before that had a effect on what we're talking about.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I would like.

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Speaker 7: To think these companies are taking the necessary precautions not

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Speaker 7: only for protection, but also for troubleshooting and rectifying any

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Speaker 7: situation that they have. And like I said, you know,

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Speaker 7: most of these companies, the technology and securities teams are massive.

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Speaker 7: So I'm not saying that it's never going to happen.

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Speaker 7: It probably will, but hopefully, you know, we were to

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Speaker 7: have the ability to be able to go in fix it,

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Speaker 7: straighten it out, and get back on track to what

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Speaker 7: we do in the United States and that's produced and

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Speaker 7: continue to generate revenue.

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Speaker 2: You know, I was talking to someone who has vast

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Speaker 2: knowledge of this and they said, you know, real culprit

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Speaker 2: in this whole thing. And what we're talking about this scenario,

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Speaker 2: it's private equity. Is that a lot of these huge

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Speaker 2: vendors get private equity mode, which is great at the

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Speaker 2: beginning because they can invest in research and development and

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Speaker 2: infrastructure all that stuff. But as it goes on and

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Speaker 2: they want to continue high returns, high dividends because that's

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Speaker 2: what they do, they will then cut corners at the

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01:10:05,360 --> 01:10:07,479
Speaker 2: software that would keep them on the cutting edge and

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01:10:07,520 --> 01:10:10,040
Speaker 2: they fall further and further behind. Thus, causing more and

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Speaker 2: more things like this to happen. I think it's a

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Speaker 2: really interesting analysis of it.

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Speaker 7: I think that would be one of the last steps.

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Speaker 7: I have a lot of experience with private equity. You know,

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01:10:18,439 --> 01:10:22,120
Speaker 7: with with private equity, you know, the saying goes as

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01:10:22,120 --> 01:10:24,200
Speaker 7: long as you are producing and continuing to be a

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Speaker 7: profitable company, private equity usually leaves you alone. It keeps

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Speaker 7: management in place. You know, they invest in you for

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01:10:30,320 --> 01:10:33,720
Speaker 7: a reason. They like your outlook for the most part. Now,

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01:10:33,760 --> 01:10:36,479
Speaker 7: if you start to go sideways and profits start to diminish,

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01:10:36,600 --> 01:10:38,840
Speaker 7: that's when you know the board gets involved and starts

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01:10:38,840 --> 01:10:42,040
Speaker 7: making cuts and making decisions. But I think for private equity,

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01:10:42,120 --> 01:10:44,719
Speaker 7: you know they have their investors at heart as well.

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Speaker 7: And if you start cutting technology, innovation, protection and security,

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Speaker 7: that can not only harm the business that you have,

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Speaker 7: but you know, you answer to your investors. So I think,

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Speaker 7: you know, if push comes to shove, that's way down

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Speaker 7: the list of things that private equity would cut.

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Speaker 2: And Dy Schaffer with all Worth Financial, we'll pivot to

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Speaker 2: what a week ago President Trump said, We're going to

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Speaker 2: hit China with one hundred percent terrorists because of the

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Speaker 2: rare earth mineral thing and now we're walking that threat back,

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Speaker 2: so more of that.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, well, it seems like that's kind of been the

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01:11:15,680 --> 01:11:18,960
Speaker 7: rhetoric that we've seen. You know, Donald Trump is bombastic

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01:11:18,960 --> 01:11:22,519
Speaker 7: and he places these threats, particularly on China. And you know,

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Speaker 7: two fridays ago, we saw the market pull back significantly

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01:11:25,120 --> 01:11:27,880
Speaker 7: when he threatened those hundred percent tariffs on China. You know,

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Speaker 7: that was basically in retaliation for the export of restrictions

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01:11:31,360 --> 01:11:34,679
Speaker 7: on the rare earth minerals. But late last week President

1514
01:11:34,720 --> 01:11:36,360
Speaker 7: walked that back. He said, you know, this is not

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01:11:36,439 --> 01:11:39,360
Speaker 7: really sustainable to have one hundred percent tariffs on China,

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01:11:39,439 --> 01:11:42,280
Speaker 7: and the Marcus enjoyed that, and it continued to soften.

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Speaker 7: We're going to see Secretary Scott Missent. He's going to

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Speaker 7: meet with Chinese Vice President Eye and they will meet

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Speaker 7: Malaysia next week to prepare for the meeting between Donald

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Speaker 7: Trump and Chinese President She later this month. And that's

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01:11:54,439 --> 01:11:59,240
Speaker 7: important because we have a November tenth tariff deadline that's

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01:11:59,240 --> 01:12:02,120
Speaker 7: still looming with China, so that ninety eight truce that

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01:12:02,160 --> 01:12:04,680
Speaker 7: we had with China that's about to expire. I think

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Speaker 7: the fact that President Trump and presidenty are still on

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01:12:07,560 --> 01:12:10,760
Speaker 7: track to meet later this month prior to the end

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Speaker 7: of that ninety day truce and that November tenth deadline

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Speaker 7: is positive, and I think the markets have reflected that.

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Speaker 2: Even with that, we're going to threaten you with one

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01:12:18,240 --> 01:12:20,000
Speaker 2: hundred percent tariffs kind of like out of nowhere.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, well, you know, I think a lot of that

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01:12:23,520 --> 01:12:26,439
Speaker 7: rhetoric is used for leverage. I think what Donald Trump

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01:12:26,479 --> 01:12:29,720
Speaker 7: wants to do is, you know, let the Chinese know

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01:12:29,800 --> 01:12:31,960
Speaker 7: that we do have leverage in place. There are things

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Speaker 7: that we can do. Our economy can withstand this type

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Speaker 7: of trade war a lot better than China can, and

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Speaker 7: I think President she knows that. I think both sides

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01:12:40,200 --> 01:12:42,600
Speaker 7: want to come to an agreement. We need China and

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01:12:42,680 --> 01:12:44,519
Speaker 7: China needs us, and I think they're both aware of that.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So back to the other big issue at hand,

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Speaker 2: and that is the umpteenth day. I think what twenty

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01:12:48,479 --> 01:12:52,200
Speaker 2: days now government shutdown. That is a big question mark

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01:12:52,240 --> 01:12:54,719
Speaker 2: as well. We know that people aren't getting their paychecks

1543
01:12:54,720 --> 01:12:57,400
Speaker 2: in the federal government doesn't seem to be impacting markets

1544
01:12:57,400 --> 01:13:00,479
Speaker 2: at all too. But in that regard, we're also not

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01:13:00,520 --> 01:13:04,320
Speaker 2: getting the government data to indicate where our economy is.

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01:13:05,200 --> 01:13:07,160
Speaker 7: Yeah, you know that we're on day twenty one. Now,

1547
01:13:07,160 --> 01:13:11,040
Speaker 7: the government, yep, still remains a major policy variable. We

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01:13:11,040 --> 01:13:12,600
Speaker 7: don't really know what it's going to look like. It

1549
01:13:12,680 --> 01:13:15,080
Speaker 7: keeps the data in the dark, like we've talked about.

1550
01:13:15,479 --> 01:13:17,760
Speaker 7: You know, it forces US and other firms like us

1551
01:13:17,800 --> 01:13:22,799
Speaker 7: to build analysis on estimates for different types of information

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01:13:22,880 --> 01:13:25,120
Speaker 7: that we don't have, So you know, there's a lot

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01:13:25,120 --> 01:13:27,439
Speaker 7: of algorithms involved and a lot of math that's involved

1554
01:13:27,439 --> 01:13:30,040
Speaker 7: with that. But what we're showing is that initial jobless

1555
01:13:30,080 --> 01:13:33,280
Speaker 7: claims near about two hundred and fifteen thousand in mid October.

1556
01:13:33,880 --> 01:13:36,840
Speaker 7: That implies that layoffs remain low despite a lot of

1557
01:13:36,840 --> 01:13:39,960
Speaker 7: this policy noise. So we'll see, you know, I think

1558
01:13:40,040 --> 01:13:42,519
Speaker 7: right now we're still in the environment where companies are

1559
01:13:42,520 --> 01:13:45,599
Speaker 7: not hiring very much, but they're also not firing very much.

1560
01:13:45,680 --> 01:13:48,280
Speaker 7: So you know, hopefully we can get Congress back in session.

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01:13:48,320 --> 01:13:51,000
Speaker 7: It looks like it's starting to tilt the way of

1562
01:13:51,760 --> 01:13:54,000
Speaker 7: you know, opening back up the government, but there's still

1563
01:13:54,000 --> 01:13:55,000
Speaker 7: a long way to go for them.

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Speaker 2: Okay, he's Andy Schaeffer with all Worth Financial every Tuesday

1565
01:13:57,600 --> 01:13:59,920
Speaker 2: morning on the Scotsland show seven hundred WLW on it

1566
01:14:00,479 --> 01:14:02,240
Speaker 2: of course be the iHeartRadio app.

1567
01:14:02,240 --> 01:14:03,000
Speaker 5: Take that wherever you go.

1568
01:14:03,040 --> 01:14:05,200
Speaker 2: You can listen in real time or podcast later if

1569
01:14:05,240 --> 01:14:09,240
Speaker 2: you wish. So we again, it sounds like because we're

1570
01:14:09,240 --> 01:14:11,560
Speaker 2: not getting the data, we just are going with the

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01:14:11,640 --> 01:14:14,000
Speaker 2: numbers we had before the shutdown, which our inflation and

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01:14:14,040 --> 01:14:16,840
Speaker 2: employment outlooks are well haven't moved.

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01:14:17,160 --> 01:14:18,400
Speaker 5: They might have, We just don't know.

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01:14:19,160 --> 01:14:21,760
Speaker 7: Yeah, we don't know. But fet Shairman Powell basically said that,

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01:14:22,000 --> 01:14:24,360
Speaker 7: you know, he believes just that he thinks that inflation

1576
01:14:24,439 --> 01:14:27,960
Speaker 7: unemployment outlooks haven't changed very much. You know, we're going

1577
01:14:28,000 --> 01:14:30,760
Speaker 7: to get a lot of Fed speakers this week, like

1578
01:14:30,800 --> 01:14:33,040
Speaker 7: we always do. They love to talk. We're going to

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01:14:33,800 --> 01:14:36,240
Speaker 7: the Fed's going to meet later this month October twenty

1580
01:14:36,280 --> 01:14:39,000
Speaker 7: eighth and twenty ninth. They'll make a decision on interest rates.

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Speaker 7: I do suspect that we will see an interest rate

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01:14:42,040 --> 01:14:45,880
Speaker 7: cut of about a quarter percent. Fet Shairman poll basically said, Hey,

1583
01:14:45,880 --> 01:14:47,960
Speaker 7: we're keeping that rate cut on the on the table.

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01:14:47,960 --> 01:14:50,439
Speaker 7: The markets have basically taken that into account at this

1585
01:14:50,520 --> 01:14:53,840
Speaker 7: point of pricing that in to the games that we've had.

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01:14:53,880 --> 01:14:56,080
Speaker 7: So we'll see what they have to say. I always

1587
01:14:56,080 --> 01:14:58,240
Speaker 7: look forward to hearing what feed Sharman Powell has to

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01:14:58,280 --> 01:15:01,440
Speaker 7: say on those Wednesdays and particularly in the press conferences afterwards.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Andy, there's something that was bubbling. I think in

1590
01:15:04,320 --> 01:15:09,639
Speaker 2: the credit markets. I saw right, I was I forget

1591
01:15:09,680 --> 01:15:12,080
Speaker 2: the two companies two principles, But there were some loan

1592
01:15:12,120 --> 01:15:12,759
Speaker 2: fraud issues.

1593
01:15:13,160 --> 01:15:15,519
Speaker 7: Yes, So we were seeing a little bit of some

1594
01:15:15,640 --> 01:15:19,479
Speaker 7: issues with regional banks. There were some regional letters Science

1595
01:15:19,560 --> 01:15:22,640
Speaker 7: Bank Corp. And Western Alliance. They disclosed that there was

1596
01:15:22,640 --> 01:15:27,120
Speaker 7: some alleged loan fraud tied to funds buying distressed commercial mortgages.

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01:15:27,160 --> 01:15:29,720
Speaker 7: And that's basically a fancy way of saying, hey, they

1598
01:15:29,720 --> 01:15:32,680
Speaker 7: were gobbling up some things that were not good investments,

1599
01:15:32,720 --> 01:15:35,920
Speaker 7: and they have some losses because of it. They had

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Speaker 7: tens of millions.

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Speaker 1: Of dollars and losses.

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01:15:38,160 --> 01:15:38,320
Speaker 3: You know.

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01:15:38,560 --> 01:15:40,840
Speaker 7: So on the surface, that doesn't seem like it's a

1604
01:15:40,840 --> 01:15:44,280
Speaker 7: big deal. Now, the sell off in those bank stocks

1605
01:15:44,280 --> 01:15:46,720
Speaker 7: were pretty heavy. And what happens is is there can

1606
01:15:46,760 --> 01:15:49,880
Speaker 7: be a potential fallout for other smaller regional banks as well.

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01:15:49,920 --> 01:15:51,880
Speaker 7: We went through this three or four years ago. I

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01:15:51,920 --> 01:15:54,000
Speaker 7: don't know if you remember, but there were some banks

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01:15:54,080 --> 01:15:57,760
Speaker 7: up in the Pacific Northwest that had some issues with

1610
01:15:57,800 --> 01:16:00,519
Speaker 7: their balance sheet as well, and the threat was that Hey,

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01:16:00,720 --> 01:16:02,639
Speaker 7: is this going to be a fallout with all regional

1612
01:16:02,680 --> 01:16:05,559
Speaker 7: banks and smaller banks could be more systematic. We don't

1613
01:16:05,600 --> 01:16:09,519
Speaker 7: believe it is. Fortunately locally here, Fifth third for example,

1614
01:16:09,720 --> 01:16:12,440
Speaker 7: reported smaller than expected lost provisions.

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01:16:12,960 --> 01:16:14,360
Speaker 1: So we'll see where it goes.

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01:16:14,400 --> 01:16:15,920
Speaker 5: We're not too concerned about it at the moment.

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01:16:15,960 --> 01:16:17,920
Speaker 2: We haven't had a big banking crisis in a while

1618
01:16:18,000 --> 01:16:19,000
Speaker 2: or a way over here for one.

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01:16:19,680 --> 01:16:22,800
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, big banking crisises are hard to go by it.

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01:16:22,880 --> 01:16:25,639
Speaker 7: You know, I've been around long enough to remember two

1621
01:16:25,680 --> 01:16:28,160
Speaker 7: thousand and seven, two thousand and eight, I actually held

1622
01:16:28,240 --> 01:16:31,519
Speaker 7: some Leman Brothers bonds that went the fault, and so

1623
01:16:31,600 --> 01:16:34,639
Speaker 7: that was a challenging time. But yeah, we haven't had

1624
01:16:34,640 --> 01:16:36,800
Speaker 7: a big one in a while. You know, you hope

1625
01:16:36,800 --> 01:16:38,880
Speaker 7: that we're not due for one. I think that right

1626
01:16:38,920 --> 01:16:41,240
Speaker 7: now when we look at the overall picture and the banks,

1627
01:16:42,160 --> 01:16:44,360
Speaker 7: you know, banks still have the ability to borrow from

1628
01:16:44,360 --> 01:16:47,280
Speaker 7: the federal Reserve, and right now we're not seeing a

1629
01:16:47,280 --> 01:16:50,360
Speaker 7: lot of banks doing that. So that is a safety

1630
01:16:50,400 --> 01:16:51,960
Speaker 7: net for a lot of banks if things start to

1631
01:16:51,960 --> 01:16:52,400
Speaker 7: go sideway.

1632
01:16:52,439 --> 01:16:53,320
Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, I'm here.

1633
01:16:53,479 --> 01:16:55,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, we were not hearing about the financial markets that

1634
01:16:55,680 --> 01:16:57,960
Speaker 2: regard a big banking crisis. The one bubble you hear

1635
01:16:57,960 --> 01:17:00,000
Speaker 2: about bubbles, bubble, it's a bubble of the housing bubble

1636
01:17:00,160 --> 01:17:02,160
Speaker 2: of two thousand and eight, the dot com bubble, the bubble,

1637
01:17:02,360 --> 01:17:05,160
Speaker 2: the big bubble Now is AI. Is there any validity

1638
01:17:05,160 --> 01:17:07,040
Speaker 2: in that argument that the and it's going to burst

1639
01:17:07,040 --> 01:17:08,680
Speaker 2: and it's going to be like nineteen twenty nine all

1640
01:17:08,720 --> 01:17:09,120
Speaker 2: over again.

1641
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Speaker 7: Well, I think the reason that people say that is

1642
01:17:11,240 --> 01:17:14,720
Speaker 7: because the price for AI stocks is very high right now.

1643
01:17:14,760 --> 01:17:17,519
Speaker 7: And when you do an analysis on stocks, you look at, Okay,

1644
01:17:17,600 --> 01:17:19,800
Speaker 7: what's the profit versus what's the price? They call it

1645
01:17:19,840 --> 01:17:23,040
Speaker 7: the pe ratio profit over earnings. Well, the profits for

1646
01:17:23,080 --> 01:17:26,760
Speaker 7: these companies aren't significantly high, but we have all this

1647
01:17:26,880 --> 01:17:29,000
Speaker 7: money flowing into the price of the stocks, so they're

1648
01:17:29,080 --> 01:17:31,800
Speaker 7: overvalued right now. And the reason is is so, to

1649
01:17:31,800 --> 01:17:34,360
Speaker 7: answer your question directly, I'm not too concerned about an

1650
01:17:34,360 --> 01:17:36,879
Speaker 7: AI bubble. And the reason is is that the outlook

1651
01:17:36,920 --> 01:17:40,280
Speaker 7: for AI is significant. This is going to be a

1652
01:17:40,320 --> 01:17:42,680
Speaker 7: revolution like we had in the early two thousands with

1653
01:17:42,720 --> 01:17:46,360
Speaker 7: the dot com era, the Internet and those types of things.

1654
01:17:46,360 --> 01:17:49,439
Speaker 7: So to me, this is a big deal. I think

1655
01:17:49,439 --> 01:17:52,000
Speaker 7: investors understand that this is going to be the future

1656
01:17:52,080 --> 01:17:54,720
Speaker 7: of our society. And so they're comfortable paying a little

1657
01:17:54,760 --> 01:17:57,799
Speaker 7: bit of a premium with the expectations that those companies

1658
01:17:57,840 --> 01:18:00,839
Speaker 7: are going to continue to be profitable over the next five, ten, fifteen,

1659
01:18:00,880 --> 01:18:01,479
Speaker 7: twenty years.

1660
01:18:01,560 --> 01:18:01,880
Speaker 5: Got it?

1661
01:18:01,920 --> 01:18:04,479
Speaker 2: Okay, So we have the government showdown to shut down,

1662
01:18:04,479 --> 01:18:06,760
Speaker 2: the showdown of twenty one days now full three weeks

1663
01:18:06,800 --> 01:18:09,040
Speaker 2: into this whole thing, and then the longer it goes

1664
01:18:09,080 --> 01:18:11,439
Speaker 2: and there's more pain, and eventually they come to a

1665
01:18:11,600 --> 01:18:14,760
Speaker 2: reasonable solution saying, Okay, we got to stop because people

1666
01:18:14,800 --> 01:18:17,720
Speaker 2: are tired of this. But there's no there's absolutely no

1667
01:18:17,840 --> 01:18:21,559
Speaker 2: ground swell by the American people to push that narrative.

1668
01:18:21,600 --> 01:18:23,240
Speaker 2: So we just sit there going, yeah, who cares, man,

1669
01:18:23,280 --> 01:18:25,559
Speaker 2: the government it's open, it's shut. We don't care, and

1670
01:18:25,600 --> 01:18:28,200
Speaker 2: the markets continue, everything's doing well. I said, it's not

1671
01:18:28,280 --> 01:18:30,040
Speaker 2: until we start to feel some pay And I mentioned

1672
01:18:30,040 --> 01:18:31,840
Speaker 2: how much theater there is in this thing too. I

1673
01:18:31,920 --> 01:18:35,599
Speaker 2: think it's funny because it's kind of like the analogy

1674
01:18:35,640 --> 01:18:39,120
Speaker 2: I gave is you close your business by by sending

1675
01:18:39,160 --> 01:18:42,040
Speaker 2: like the receptionists to home. So somebody shows up and goes, well,

1676
01:18:42,080 --> 01:18:44,519
Speaker 2: the receptions on it, but there's you know, ninety nine

1677
01:18:44,560 --> 01:18:46,479
Speaker 2: percent of the people in the back are still working.

1678
01:18:46,520 --> 01:18:48,840
Speaker 5: It's just the reception desk gets closed. That's what this

1679
01:18:48,960 --> 01:18:49,200
Speaker 5: is like.

1680
01:18:49,240 --> 01:18:52,920
Speaker 2: We're closing parks and all the making it just uncomfortable

1681
01:18:52,960 --> 01:18:55,480
Speaker 2: enough at TSA and airports for people to take notice.

1682
01:18:55,640 --> 01:18:57,479
Speaker 5: And in your world.

1683
01:18:57,520 --> 01:18:59,960
Speaker 2: I think it's funny because the Beer of Labor Statistics

1684
01:19:00,160 --> 01:19:04,160
Speaker 2: recalled its staff to compile the September CPI report. You

1685
01:19:04,280 --> 01:19:07,439
Speaker 2: need that report because that's what they based the cost

1686
01:19:07,479 --> 01:19:10,120
Speaker 2: of living the coal adjustments for social security, because we

1687
01:19:10,160 --> 01:19:12,120
Speaker 2: can't piss old people off when it comes to their

1688
01:19:12,120 --> 01:19:12,960
Speaker 2: social security.

1689
01:19:13,360 --> 01:19:15,360
Speaker 1: There go, I mean, you got it exactly right.

1690
01:19:15,760 --> 01:19:17,880
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, you know, you know most of the

1691
01:19:17,920 --> 01:19:21,200
Speaker 7: government still remains open. But could you imagine if people

1692
01:19:21,240 --> 01:19:23,519
Speaker 7: that are getting Social Security did not get their cost

1693
01:19:23,600 --> 01:19:27,000
Speaker 7: of living, that would wipe out most of the incumbents

1694
01:19:27,000 --> 01:19:27,519
Speaker 7: and concress.

1695
01:19:27,560 --> 01:19:28,040
Speaker 5: So there you go.

1696
01:19:28,160 --> 01:19:29,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's funny how that works.

1697
01:19:29,800 --> 01:19:31,160
Speaker 5: It's just funny. Well we better do that.

1698
01:19:31,160 --> 01:19:32,760
Speaker 2: Well, well, the old people are the people who vote,

1699
01:19:32,760 --> 01:19:34,040
Speaker 2: are going to be really mad at us if they

1700
01:19:34,040 --> 01:19:36,320
Speaker 2: don't get their three percent. So where you get to

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01:19:36,360 --> 01:19:39,640
Speaker 2: come back to the office and do that. Yeah, to

1702
01:19:39,720 --> 01:19:43,479
Speaker 2: show you how serious the shutdown is and government is. Uh,

1703
01:19:43,840 --> 01:19:46,160
Speaker 2: you know, it's the umbrella of seriousness because they dress

1704
01:19:46,240 --> 01:19:48,479
Speaker 2: in very very expensive suits and coats and ties and

1705
01:19:48,520 --> 01:19:51,080
Speaker 2: call each other gentlemen and gentlewomen and things like that.

1706
01:19:51,120 --> 01:19:54,160
Speaker 2: But you know, the actual behind the scenes is a

1707
01:19:54,200 --> 01:19:56,360
Speaker 2: lot more comical than that. He's Andy Schaeffer all we're

1708
01:19:56,360 --> 01:19:59,360
Speaker 2: all worth financial. Their show simply money. There's at six

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01:19:59,400 --> 01:20:02,040
Speaker 2: o'clock on fifty five KRC. You can check it out

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01:20:02,080 --> 01:20:05,160
Speaker 2: over there, and we talk every Tuesday about your money. Andy,

1711
01:20:05,200 --> 01:20:07,400
Speaker 2: all the best. Have a great week. We'll talk next tuesday.

1712
01:20:07,600 --> 01:20:08,880
Speaker 7: You too, Scott, talk you next week.

1713
01:20:08,920 --> 01:20:12,040
Speaker 2: So, of course, the big story going today is Terry Thiji.

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01:20:12,080 --> 01:20:14,639
Speaker 2: We had a press conference at ten o'clock, just at

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01:20:14,680 --> 01:20:18,200
Speaker 2: ten o'clock this morning. The principle involved was her attorney

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Speaker 2: talking about talking about she's fired, she suspended. The whole

1717
01:20:22,720 --> 01:20:25,880
Speaker 2: thing is a dumpster fire. But again that dumpster fire

1718
01:20:25,960 --> 01:20:27,720
Speaker 2: is just a small dumpster fire in front of the

1719
01:20:27,840 --> 01:20:32,920
Speaker 2: large tire fire that is city Hall. Particularly the administration,

1720
01:20:33,000 --> 01:20:36,559
Speaker 2: the A F TAD Peer Vault administration. They just don't

1721
01:20:36,600 --> 01:20:38,960
Speaker 2: handle things well at all, And that led, of course

1722
01:20:39,000 --> 01:20:41,280
Speaker 2: to the crime wave that led the dismissal of Terry Thiji.

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01:20:41,320 --> 01:20:43,320
Speaker 2: It was just a month ago where af tat peer vess.

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01:20:43,280 --> 01:20:45,360
Speaker 2: So no, no, the crime numbers are down, and now

1725
01:20:45,360 --> 01:20:48,519
Speaker 2: a month later, with an election looming, he fires his

1726
01:20:48,600 --> 01:20:53,679
Speaker 2: police chief. That makes sense to me either, But again

1727
01:20:53,840 --> 01:20:56,639
Speaker 2: it's politics, and when you either talk about the shutdown

1728
01:20:56,720 --> 01:21:00,519
Speaker 2: or the joke a city hall, it's all the same

1729
01:21:00,600 --> 01:21:03,360
Speaker 2: argument that these are not serious people that act a

1730
01:21:03,400 --> 01:21:06,080
Speaker 2: lot more serious, and we look at them and go, oh,

1731
01:21:06,320 --> 01:21:07,479
Speaker 2: they must know something we don't.

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01:21:07,520 --> 01:21:09,599
Speaker 5: I don't think they do. I really really don't.

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Speaker 2: But anyway, Willie's going to pick up the Fiji topic

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Speaker 2: at twelve oh six today, right after a news update

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