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Speaker 2: lot of stuff to get to today, some reds issues

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Speaker 2: a little bit later on, some college basketball as well,

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Speaker 2: Bengals getting set to play the Pittsburgh Steelers. I have

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Speaker 2: a very I have a basic request for Al Golden,

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Speaker 2: one basic request because to me right now he's in

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Speaker 2: the crosshairs along with Duke Tobin, maybe to a degree

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Speaker 2: Zach Taylor, but I want to focus on Al Golden.

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Speaker 2: Chad Berendle's gonna join us later on this hour at

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Speaker 2: three forty five, and we're in the overlap season. We

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Speaker 2: have a lot to discuss with Chad. You see basketball

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Speaker 2: and lots of good to the Bearricats right now, and

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Speaker 2: We'll discuss all with Chad and then the football. I

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Speaker 2: said this to Tony on and off air just a

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Speaker 2: In fact, somebody texted me yesterday you think game day

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Speaker 2: this weekend? Do you think we'll have game Day and

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Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, maybe, but beating BYU, worry about that,

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Speaker 2: playing BYU, worry about that later. Like, I think the

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Speaker 2: Bearcats have a tough challenge on their hands on Saturday.

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Speaker 2: An Arizona team with a quarterback who much like Brendan

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 2: You see against Utah, we knew the Utes were going

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Speaker 2: I'm not sure ever, properly adjusted to how Utah was

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Speaker 2: exactly what Utah ran for. But what you were hoping

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Speaker 2: Brendan Sorosby had played very well to that point. By

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Speaker 2: play for weeks on end was a weapon for the Bearcats.

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Speaker 2: It was a liability against Utah. And so what I'm

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Speaker 2: The good news is they go into the last three

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Speaker 2: They control their own destiny. But before we talk about BYU,

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Speaker 2: And I liked nothing about how UC played in its

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Speaker 2: Bengals play the Steelers on Sunday. Joe Flacco is throwing

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Speaker 2: the football game. So we've talked extensively now about Duke Tobin,

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Speaker 2: there's a possibility that Duke is gonna get the gate

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Speaker 2: I think is interesting. I'm interested in Al Golden. Al

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Speaker 2: lot to work with because Duke Tobin didn't give him

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Speaker 2: to the postseason, defy logic, defy the odds, and not

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Speaker 2: even make the playoffs, make those last couple of games matter.

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Speaker 2: If they're gonna make it matter whether or not Joe

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Speaker 2: something to say about it. We are not looking for

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Speaker 1: They're not going to turn into some unit that you go.

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Speaker 2: You have a hard time running against them, you have

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Speaker 2: I'm just looking for Al Golden to fix one thing.

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Speaker 2: I don't really even care what that one thing is.

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Speaker 2: There's like two good players and one of them probably

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Speaker 1: They're bad at everything.

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Speaker 2: They're bad at getting after the pass, or they're bad

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Speaker 2: in coverage, they're bad at covering short passes and not

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Speaker 2: literally bad at everything. Can l Golden make them league

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Speaker 2: average or maybe slightly below league average at like one thing?

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Speaker 2: Pick pick one, stopping the run, putting pressure on the QB,

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Speaker 2: like he's on notice here. I know what Zach Taylor

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Speaker 1: I do.

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Speaker 2: A lot of folks aren't gonna want to admit it.

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Speaker 2: By the way, if the Bengals defense had done its

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Speaker 2: and he's not going to be able to do that

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Speaker 2: this offseason. Al Golden as NFL defensive coordinator. I don't

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Speaker 1: I mean, it doesn't matter.

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Speaker 2: They can exume a corpse of a QB, they can

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Speaker 1: It literally doesn't matter.

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Speaker 2: That's the storyline on Sunday, and by the way, against Pittsburgh,

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Speaker 2: the Bengals scored. Maybe not necessarily it will, but they

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Speaker 2: Tony has talked about this a lot. That first game,

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Speaker 2: and Higgins torched them. Does that continue on Sunday? Can

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Speaker 2: Al Golden's unit do one thing well, one thing remotely

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Speaker 2: well again, pick whatever it is. If the answers are yes,

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Speaker 2: until that happens, you just assume more good offensive outputs

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Speaker 2: that this team is basically going nowhere.

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Speaker 1: We will see, we will see.

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Speaker 2: Like it is, it is a very obvious thing to

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Speaker 1: Hi, Lee, how are we doing?

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Speaker 5: I'm doing good. I can't complain. So a lot of

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Speaker 5: And you're right, I think that Arizona's more dangerous as

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Speaker 2: Right, Well, I'll take the victory. I understand what you're

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Speaker 5: I think they win this game here thirty four to eighteen.

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Speaker 2: You got football taken on Arizona on Saturday, you got

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Speaker 2: men's basketball hosting Mount Saint Mary's on Sunday, and uh and.

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Speaker 1: Maybe maybe they could limit the turnovers to fewer than twenty.

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Speaker 2: We will see all of this and so much more

437
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Speaker 2: covered at Bearcat Journal dot com, which is the domain

438
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Speaker 2: of Chad Brendel.

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Speaker 1: Who's with us now, Hi.

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Speaker 2: Chad him? How I'm doing well? Although I'm doing better

441
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Speaker 2: than I was watching much of that game on on

442
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Speaker 2: Tuesday Night with the the seven thousand turnovers committed by

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Speaker 2: the Bearcats.

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Speaker 1: Is that going to be a recurring theme all season?

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Speaker 7: At times, I think it's it's probably gonna rear its

446
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Speaker 7: ugly head. I mean, the one thing that I, you know,

447
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Speaker 7: you feel pretty comfortable about is this is than a

448
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Speaker 7: trend for West Miller teams, So you would think it's

449
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Speaker 7: reasonable to expected they'll get it under control. We've had

450
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Speaker 7: these conversations after you know, a couple of games each

451
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Speaker 7: of the you know, every year we do it under

452
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Speaker 7: making as well. Oh my god, they turned it over

453
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Speaker 7: a ton today. If he had a history of his

454
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Speaker 7: teams being floppy with the ball, I'd be a little

455
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Speaker 7: bit more concerned. They are trying to play at a

456
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Speaker 7: much faster pace. But some of those the concern for

457
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Speaker 7: me was some of those were just unnecessary. Try going

458
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Speaker 7: from the left wing to the right corner with the

459
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Speaker 7: defense set. It was like they were trying to like

460
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Speaker 7: skip steps. Yeah, in the offense right, like the balls

461
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Speaker 7: supposed to go here than there, and they're trying to

462
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Speaker 7: like cut out the middleman. We haven't moved the defense

463
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Speaker 7: and there's a guy standing there waiting for the ball

464
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Speaker 7: before it gets to your guy. So some of that

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Speaker 7: stuff I think they'll be able to iron out. And

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Speaker 7: they don't have that history of being a turnover prone

467
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Speaker 7: team over the last four years, so I think it'll

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Speaker 7: get better.

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Speaker 2: If that's not your biggest concern through three games, what is.

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Speaker 7: That's definitely way up the list. I haven't been that

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Speaker 7: upset with much so far. I think they've got a

472
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Speaker 7: much better perimeter shooting team. I think they're they're doing

473
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Speaker 7: one of the main things we've had a big problem

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Speaker 7: with with West Miller teams. It's not getting to the

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Speaker 7: free throw line. They've gotten to the free throw line

476
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Speaker 7: and a much higher clip. I think the defense has

477
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Speaker 7: been okay. I had a little chuckle seeing them ranked

478
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Speaker 7: number two in the country and Ken palm because the

479
00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:48,320
Speaker 7: defense is not playing that well now. I think they

480
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Speaker 7: had the potential to do that, But really the turnover

481
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Speaker 7: stuff has been the biggest issue.

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Speaker 1: For me so far.

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Speaker 7: Fouling. I think they've they're still fouling too much, even

484
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Speaker 7: I thought, as is usually the case, Kip Kissing during

485
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Speaker 7: his crew had a terrible game the other night.

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Speaker 1: It feels like every.

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Speaker 7: Time his crew is on the game and you're right

488
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Speaker 7: there for it. There's so many like they huddle and

489
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Speaker 7: there's been used that aren't really that necessary, and like

490
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Speaker 7: there's so much weight. That game took two and a

491
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Speaker 7: half hours. What are we doing? But you know, I

492
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Speaker 7: think there are plenty of things they need to clean up.

493
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Speaker 7: But for the most part, I've been pretty happy with

494
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Speaker 7: the pace of play, getting to the foul line, the

495
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Speaker 7: defense being competent, Like, I think there's quite a bit

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Speaker 7: to build on.

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Speaker 2: I think the thing that I've liked the most is,

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Speaker 2: with some exceptions in the second game, I think the

499
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Speaker 2: offense for the most part has worked. I think they've

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Speaker 2: taken good shots. I think some have been hurried, which

501
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Speaker 2: I think is going to be a byproduct of playing fast.

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Speaker 2: I wish they would shoot it more because that would

503
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Speaker 2: mean they're turning it over, turning it over less. But

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Speaker 2: I think I look at them offensively and I go,

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Speaker 2: if they can just keep it from throwing it to

506
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Speaker 2: the other guy, they're going to get looks and they'll

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Speaker 2: be fine. Like I've the non turnover possessions as weird

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Speaker 2: as it sounds, because there's been way too many, but

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Speaker 2: the non turnover possessions for the most part, I've been

510
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Speaker 2: pretty happy with.

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Speaker 7: I mean, think about it, they turned it over twenty

512
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Speaker 7: four times and we're still just under a point of possession. Right.

513
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Speaker 7: Like the potential there. Offensively, they have a chance to

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Speaker 7: be pretty good. And I know it's not saying a

515
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Speaker 7: whole lot, they've got the potential to be the best

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Speaker 7: offense that Wes Miller has had. I don't know that

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Speaker 7: that's necessarily a referendum on on his coaching offense more

518
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Speaker 7: than it's they've got a lot more guys that can

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Speaker 7: put the ball in the basket. You know, you've got

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Speaker 7: four or five guys I think you can rely on

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Speaker 7: his three point shooters. You've got guys that can get downhill,

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Speaker 7: get to the rim, get to the pre throw line.

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Speaker 7: You've got a guy that, if he puts it all together,

524
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Speaker 7: and bobon Miller that I think can be the best

525
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Speaker 7: foreman we've seen here in quite a while, and certainly

526
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Speaker 7: one that I don't know that we've seen that type

527
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Speaker 7: of foreman here.

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Speaker 6: A six to.

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Speaker 7: Eleven guy that can handle the ball like he can,

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Speaker 7: that can provide the versatility that he provides. I like

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Speaker 7: the puzzle pieces so far. Now it's on the coaching

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Speaker 7: staff to make it all fit together.

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Speaker 1: Can they make them fit together against Louisville?

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Speaker 7: Probably not. I mean, that team is really talented. You

535
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Speaker 7: got a bunch of guys that are you know, that

536
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Speaker 7: have some experience together that Pat Kelsey brought back. He

537
00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:46,320
Speaker 7: added really good pieces around them. I think they've got

538
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Speaker 7: an NBA point guard, They've got good complimentary pieces, They've

539
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Speaker 7: got some toughness inside. Cincinnati would have to play incredibly

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Speaker 7: well to to win that game. I hopefully they keep

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Speaker 7: it close, but you know, I don't know that. And

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Speaker 7: maybe this is the advantage of playing Michigan in Arkansas

543
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Speaker 7: is that Louisvill's athleticism isn't going to surprise them, maybe

544
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Speaker 7: the way arkansass did. Maybe you know, they're a little

545
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Speaker 7: bit more ready for it. So hopefully there's two exhibition games.

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Speaker 7: If they pay off, this would be the one to

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Speaker 7: see it pay often. But they're really good. I mean,

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Speaker 7: I think they are one of the best teams in

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Speaker 7: the country. Legitimately a top ten team that would be.

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Speaker 7: That would be a Butch Jones level. Great challenge.

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Speaker 2: Well, wow, I was not expecting to hear the name

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Speaker 2: Butch Jones Chad brindle Is with a Bearcat journal dot com.

553
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Speaker 2: Are folks overlooking the difficulty of the Arizona game on Saturday.

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Speaker 7: Probably the concern with Arizona is the things that they

555
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Speaker 7: do well are the thing that we have talked about

556
00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:05,920
Speaker 7: Cincinnati not doing well. Right. They play man defense. They

557
00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:10,160
Speaker 7: play pretty sticky man defense on the outside. That has

558
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Speaker 7: given Brendan Soarsby some trouble. On the other side of

559
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Speaker 7: the football. Nolh Flafido is a very skilled veteran quarterback.

560
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Speaker 7: He does two things well. Though he does well from

561
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Speaker 7: a clean pocket, Cincinnati's gotten the least pressure. The pressure

562
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Speaker 7: rate is the lowest in the Big Twelve, and he

563
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:32,719
Speaker 7: plays really well against zone. Cincinnati runs more zone defense

564
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Speaker 7: than anyone in the Big Twelve. So there are some

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Speaker 7: things that if you look at this game, you say, look,

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Speaker 7: it's gonna have to be Brendan Soarsby from the seven wins.

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Speaker 7: It can't be Brendan Soarsby from the two losses because

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Speaker 7: he's been great in the seven wins. He's been pretty

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Speaker 7: bad in the two losses, so there really hasn't been

570
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Speaker 7: any in between on that scale. So he's gonna have

571
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Speaker 7: to play well. The running backs are gonna have to

572
00:30:57,680 --> 00:30:59,840
Speaker 7: play well, and the defense is gonna have to get

573
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Speaker 7: a couple stops against the quarterback that is perfectly content

574
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Speaker 7: completing a very high percentage and methodically moving the ball

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Speaker 7: down the field. And they've got a sneaky good running game.

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Speaker 7: They maybe don't use it as much as they maybe should,

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Speaker 7: but you know, they're a balanced offense. They've got a

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Speaker 7: veteran quarterback. They're talented. Now if you look, I think

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Speaker 7: the one thing that might make you feel a little better,

580
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Speaker 7: the better teams that they've played, as good as their

581
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Speaker 7: defensive numbers are, the better teams that they played of

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Speaker 7: all scored thirty fluffs. So is Cincinnati going to step

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Speaker 7: up to that level and say, hey, we're one of

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Speaker 7: the better teams they played. If they do, and they

585
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Speaker 7: play well, I think they win the game. If the

586
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Speaker 7: offense struggles and we see a bunch of three and ounce,

587
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Speaker 7: it's going to be a rock fight in different stadium Saturday.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, the Utah game, Utah did what we

589
00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:00,520
Speaker 2: thought they were going to do. They and the ball

590
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Speaker 2: ran it very effectively. But Cincinnati did a lot of

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Speaker 2: things that up until a week ago Saturday, they hadn't

592
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Speaker 2: done all season long, And but I'm interested in how

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Speaker 2: much of those how much of that game proves to

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Speaker 2: be an outlier, versus how much of that game proves

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Speaker 2: to be I don't know the beginning of the end.

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Speaker 2: As dramatic as that may.

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Speaker 7: Sound, I think that, you know, the thing that I've

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Speaker 7: seen it compared a little bit to last year. But

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Speaker 7: even when they were five and two last year, there

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Speaker 7: was still stuff that was sloppy, there was still stuff

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Speaker 7: that it you know, they were they were winning a

602
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Speaker 7: couple of games. But I don't think UCF was good

603
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Speaker 7: last year. I don't think Houston was good last year.

604
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Speaker 7: Like they were just the better of two not so

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Speaker 7: great teams most of the time on the way to

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Speaker 7: those five wins. I don't think that's been the case

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Speaker 7: this year. And if you've looked they you know, they

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Speaker 7: dominated a lot of those teams. And if they can

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Speaker 7: get out quick and kind of dictate the terms of engagement,

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Speaker 7: which they weren't able to do in Arizona, they weren't

611
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Speaker 7: able to do in Nebraska, those are the two games

612
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Speaker 7: they started slow and it costs them. I think that's

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Speaker 7: important for this team is to jump out fast and

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Speaker 7: you can't have miss stield goal turnover in the first

615
00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:21,800
Speaker 7: quarter on back to back drives, and that just took

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Speaker 7: them out of the game. The special teams was shaky.

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Speaker 7: I've seen enough to not think that's going to become,

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Speaker 7: you know, a recurring problem for this team. But I

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Speaker 7: get when you look back to when things kind of

620
00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:39,000
Speaker 7: went off the tracks last year, that's the stuff that

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Speaker 7: really took over and they played a sloppy brand of football.

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Speaker 7: We have not seen that until the Utah game. Hopefully

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Speaker 7: they can get back to playing clean.

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Speaker 1: I agree. We'll see you a Saturday. Thank you so much.

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Speaker 7: Sounds good.

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Speaker 1: Thanks ut That's our.

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Speaker 2: Man, Chad Brendel, Bearcatjournal dot com. It's coming up on

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Speaker 2: four o'clock. This is ESPN fifteen thirty, the Cincinnati sports station.

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Speaker 2: Robot Wintroub's going to be on the show in fifteen minutes.

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Speaker 1: I'm a leger. This is ESPN fifteen thirty.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for listening today and hopefully every day.

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Speaker 1: It's awesome. Gonna have you.

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Speaker 2: Hope you're having an awesome Thursday. Awesome Thursday, I said. Also,

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Speaker 2: Dan Claskin's later on this hour on Fantasy Football. We

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Speaker 2: are looking forward to that. I made a slight mistake earlier.

636
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Speaker 2: It was doing the local sports headlines and I said,

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Speaker 2: there really wasn't a lot going on, no major sports headlines,

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Speaker 2: And that might have been a slight misnomer. Because the

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Speaker 2: Reds today announced that they have hired Oscar Marine as

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Speaker 2: their bullpen coach. Matt Tracy has been moved to assistant

641
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:48,440
Speaker 2: pitching coach. He was the team's bullpen coach for the

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Speaker 2: last three years. You may know that a former assistant

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Speaker 2: pitching coach, Simon Matthews, left the Reds this week to

644
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Speaker 2: become the pitching coach of the Washington Nationals. Enters his

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Speaker 2: seventeenth season as a professional pitching coach and eighth as

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Speaker 2: a member of a major league coaching staff. He has

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Speaker 2: spent the last six years with the Pittsburgh Pirates, helping

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Speaker 2: to oversee a staff that includes a National League Cy

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00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:14,960
Speaker 2: Young Award winner Paul Skeatns.

650
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Speaker 1: So there you go.

651
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:22,440
Speaker 2: So the Reds coaching staff includes the following. Terry Francone

652
00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:27,799
Speaker 2: is your manager, Kyle Arnsberg is coach slash coordinator of

653
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:33,920
Speaker 2: advanced scouting. Freddy Benavite's retains his role as bench coach,

654
00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:42,320
Speaker 2: slash field coordinator Colin Calgill, first base coach Jose Duarte,

655
00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:46,080
Speaker 2: bullpen catcher Willie Harris is going to be the team's

656
00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:49,240
Speaker 2: new third base coach. Bill Hasselman will be the team's

657
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:52,880
Speaker 2: catching coach. Derek Johnson back to be the pitching coach

658
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:58,600
Speaker 2: slash director of pitching. James Keller will be the team's

659
00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:03,920
Speaker 2: bullpen coach. Matt Tracy now named assistant pitching coach. Oscar

660
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:09,200
Speaker 2: Marine is the team's new bullpen coach. Mike Napoli is

661
00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:15,960
Speaker 2: back as the team's assistant bench coach. Alex Plaiez is

662
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:22,719
Speaker 2: the team's assistant hitting coach. Will Remillard is also an

663
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:27,480
Speaker 2: assistant hitting coach, and Chris Valaika is back as the

664
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:30,879
Speaker 2: team's director of hitting slash hitting coach.

665
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:31,479
Speaker 1: This is.

666
00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:38,880
Speaker 2: One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven, twelve, thirteen, fourteen.

667
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:43,799
Speaker 2: I know not everybody is in the dugout on game day.

668
00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:49,520
Speaker 2: They have twenty six players, they have fifteen coaches. The

669
00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:52,520
Speaker 2: player to coach ratio for the Reds has never been smaller.

670
00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:57,839
Speaker 2: The job market, there's lots lots in the news about

671
00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:00,680
Speaker 2: the current job market. Job market is pretty damn good

672
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:03,560
Speaker 2: in the greater Cincinnati area. If you want to be

673
00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:10,840
Speaker 2: a baseball coach, the Rets have three hitting coaches. I

674
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:15,879
Speaker 2: ask this somewhat tongue in cheek, but not entirely. What

675
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:18,680
Speaker 2: does the other assistant hitting coach do?

676
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:21,160
Speaker 5: Like?

677
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:23,480
Speaker 2: Is he in charge of picking up the baseballs after

678
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:26,480
Speaker 2: the other hitting coach puts it on the tee and workouts?

679
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:28,640
Speaker 1: What does the assistant bench coach do?

680
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:33,520
Speaker 2: This is a lot of brain trust, and I would

681
00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:36,520
Speaker 2: imagine that the Reds coaching staff, the size of it,

682
00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:38,120
Speaker 2: is comparable to the other teams.

683
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:41,000
Speaker 1: This is not a complaint.

684
00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:43,680
Speaker 2: Do whatever you gotta do to win, Do whatever you

685
00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:45,520
Speaker 2: gotta do to feel the best possible team. If that

686
00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:48,720
Speaker 2: means you have to have twelve hitting coaches, then every

687
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:50,920
Speaker 2: every guy gets his own hitting coach. I don't know,

688
00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:56,640
Speaker 2: but growing up, the team at a manager and like

689
00:37:56,680 --> 00:37:58,520
Speaker 2: a first base and the first base coach might have

690
00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:00,920
Speaker 2: also been in charge of like the outfit, and a

691
00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:02,960
Speaker 2: third base coach who might have also been like in

692
00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:06,279
Speaker 2: charge of the infield, and a pitching coach, and maybe

693
00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:10,440
Speaker 2: a bench coach. And there's a bullpen coach, and no

694
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:12,120
Speaker 2: one knew who the bullpen catcher was.

695
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:15,240
Speaker 1: Staff sizes have increased.

696
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:19,759
Speaker 2: Reds have an assistant bench like the bench coach has

697
00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:21,880
Speaker 2: always been like the right hand man for the manager,

698
00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:25,520
Speaker 2: right run stuff through, throw some ideas at the skipper,

699
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:30,440
Speaker 2: you know that kind of thing. Does the bench coach

700
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:34,520
Speaker 2: also need a right hand man? If so, bench coach

701
00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:42,200
Speaker 2: Freddy Benavitees will have Mike Napoli at his disposal. Team's

702
00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:45,040
Speaker 2: got fifteen coach. I wonder what their coach payroll is.

703
00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:49,239
Speaker 2: That's never made public. Baseball coaches, you know, don't make,

704
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:51,799
Speaker 2: for the most part, seven figure salaries. I'm sure, I'm

705
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:57,920
Speaker 2: sure there's not a one million dollar hitting coach. But

706
00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:00,319
Speaker 2: there you go. Fifteen coaches on the big leagues for

707
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:04,000
Speaker 2: the Reds this year. I'm not even sure I know

708
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:05,680
Speaker 2: what an assistant pitching coach does.

709
00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:06,279
Speaker 1: But but that's so.

710
00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:08,759
Speaker 2: There have been people much much smarter than me that

711
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:14,439
Speaker 2: can explain three hitting coaches for that team last year

712
00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:18,440
Speaker 2: at free. The Reds last season had three hitting coaches.

713
00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:20,719
Speaker 2: None of them could figure out a way to work

714
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:23,760
Speaker 2: with Matt McLean or christian In Karnassi on strand free

715
00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:29,480
Speaker 2: hitting coaches last year. They are good. Times are good

716
00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:32,440
Speaker 2: in the world of coaching baseball. At the big league level.

717
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:35,919
Speaker 2: We got that press release today and I saw these names,

718
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:38,719
Speaker 2: like that's like I thought a first glance was there's

719
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:49,680
Speaker 2: fifteen dudes on the coaching staff. I don't know, awfully crowded.

720
00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:54,200
Speaker 2: The congratulations though, to Oscar Marine he is the Red's

721
00:39:54,280 --> 00:40:05,000
Speaker 2: new bullpen coach. Bullpen coach, what charts pitches? I mean legitimately,

722
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:07,200
Speaker 2: And maybe we'll get Oscar on the show to ask

723
00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:13,919
Speaker 2: in the least mocking way possible what the bullpen coach

724
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:17,160
Speaker 2: is responsible for, like making sure they're all behaving and

725
00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:20,960
Speaker 2: paying attention to the game and the bullpen like, is

726
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:25,120
Speaker 2: it more like bullpen babysitter? Hey, get your head in

727
00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:28,000
Speaker 2: the game, come on, like run through situations with them

728
00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:32,120
Speaker 2: when the conversation drifts to something that's not necessarily baseball related.

729
00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:35,400
Speaker 2: Bullpen coaches are not new.

730
00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:38,799
Speaker 1: I get it. I'm not entirely sure what they do.

731
00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:43,520
Speaker 2: But the congratulations because the Reds have a new bullpen coach,

732
00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:47,680
Speaker 2: Oscar Marie Matt Tracy. When you go from bullpen coach

733
00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:51,759
Speaker 2: to assistant pitching coach, that is, I would assume a

734
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:58,200
Speaker 2: promotion in the hierarchy of coaching staff in baseball, assistant

735
00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:03,799
Speaker 2: pitching coach ranks higher, higher rank than bullpen coach. We

736
00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:06,279
Speaker 2: think well penk coach is dressed for game day, though

737
00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:10,799
Speaker 2: I don't think the assistant pitching coaches. These are the

738
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:13,000
Speaker 2: things I will find out it rats fast in a

739
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:16,600
Speaker 2: couple of months, find out exactly what the deployment of

740
00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:19,280
Speaker 2: duties is going to be for Terry Francona and his staff.

741
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:24,920
Speaker 2: Eleven away from eleven minutes after four o clock, I

742
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:26,759
Speaker 2: should say Robert Wintrup is going to be on the

743
00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:29,040
Speaker 2: show to talk about Joe Burrow and the Bengals and

744
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:34,160
Speaker 2: Trey Hendrickson and where the team kind of goes from here,

745
00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:38,040
Speaker 2: and like the game on Sunday is about a lot

746
00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:42,920
Speaker 2: of different things. We talked about Al Golden can Al's defense,

747
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:49,600
Speaker 2: do anything anything better this year? If the Bengals are

748
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:55,160
Speaker 2: free and eight, it's not only going to be hard

749
00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:58,960
Speaker 2: to be excited about Joe Burrow playing, I think it's

750
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:02,319
Speaker 2: going to be hard to justify now. I expect Joe

751
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:05,600
Speaker 2: Burrow to play in any game as long as he's

752
00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:08,080
Speaker 2: healthy and as long as he is where he needs

753
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:10,240
Speaker 2: to be. I expect him to play in any game

754
00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:14,480
Speaker 2: in which the Bengals have a mathematical chance of making

755
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:18,960
Speaker 2: the postseason last year, and they defied the odds. To

756
00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:21,279
Speaker 2: their credit, they got to the last day of the

757
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:24,160
Speaker 2: season with a chance, but you could have made the

758
00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:27,160
Speaker 2: case realistically they had no chance of making the playoffs

759
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:30,200
Speaker 2: weeks before they were actually eliminated. Joe played in every

760
00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:33,600
Speaker 2: single game and you could not have a problem with that.

761
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:37,960
Speaker 2: As long as the Bengals are mathematically alive, I expect

762
00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:39,080
Speaker 2: Joe Burrow to play.

763
00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:40,120
Speaker 1: And I think you should.

764
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:45,160
Speaker 2: Too, and ideally, you know, they went on Sunday. I

765
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:48,080
Speaker 2: feel less and less good about it with every passing minute.

766
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:50,480
Speaker 2: It was about forty eight hours ago I said I

767
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:55,600
Speaker 2: thought the Bengals will win on Sunday. That might have

768
00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:58,600
Speaker 2: been the cold medicine talking. I don't know. But if

769
00:42:58,600 --> 00:42:59,960
Speaker 2: they win the game on Sunday, we're going to not

770
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:03,080
Speaker 2: talk so much about them being mathematically eliminated and whether

771
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:05,080
Speaker 2: or not Joe Burrows should play in games that don't count,

772
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:08,239
Speaker 2: because the Patriots game is gonna matter a little bit more.

773
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:10,760
Speaker 1: It sounds really easy.

774
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:14,799
Speaker 2: There are certain things that sound nice during the week, Like,

775
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:17,279
Speaker 2: you know, we talk about teams tanking, well they should tank.

776
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:21,320
Speaker 2: Sounds great on Monday, ask players to tank on Sunday,

777
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:24,319
Speaker 2: you can't. They care too much. If there was one

778
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:27,200
Speaker 2: lesson you could learn from that day in twenty nineteen,

779
00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:30,439
Speaker 2: when the Bengals almost beat the Miami Dolphins, a game

780
00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:32,600
Speaker 2: that none of us wanted to win, wanted them to win,

781
00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:37,760
Speaker 2: that lesson was players and coaches care too much. Even

782
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:40,200
Speaker 2: like watching I know folks who like during the week

783
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:42,880
Speaker 2: are like, I'm gonna go rick By Leeves on Sunday,

784
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:45,040
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go I'm gonna find something else to do

785
00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:46,920
Speaker 2: with my time on Sunday. And you know, by one

786
00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:49,799
Speaker 2: o'clock on Sunday where there will be they will be within.

787
00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:51,480
Speaker 1: Eyeshot of a television.

788
00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:56,240
Speaker 2: It also sounds good on a Thursday in the middle

789
00:43:56,239 --> 00:43:58,520
Speaker 2: of November to go, you know what, Joe Burrow's healthy.

790
00:43:58,520 --> 00:44:00,440
Speaker 2: Players play, That's what he does for life, That's what

791
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:03,400
Speaker 2: they do. I expect him to play. Players plays a

792
00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:09,640
Speaker 2: competitive guy. Sounds great, So did Joe Burrow should play

793
00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:13,719
Speaker 2: in the preseason? Sounded great in June. How'd you feel

794
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:17,960
Speaker 2: watching it in August? And by the way, if you're

795
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:20,319
Speaker 2: gonna say, well, players play, then Joe plays the way

796
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:25,120
Speaker 2: he wants and the way he wants. Maybe not the

797
00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:28,720
Speaker 2: most conducive to protecting himself. That doesn't blame Joe Burrow

798
00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:31,040
Speaker 2: for getting hurt. It's not his fault that he gets hurt.

799
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:36,160
Speaker 2: And then just imagine, you know how sickening it feels

800
00:44:36,239 --> 00:44:39,440
Speaker 2: when Joe Burrow walks off the field with an apparent injury.

801
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:42,880
Speaker 2: Like I was in the stadium against the Jags and

802
00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:44,680
Speaker 2: he walked off the field and we had no idea

803
00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:48,440
Speaker 2: what was wrong with him? Right, it's sickening. That's the

804
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:52,439
Speaker 2: meal ticket, that's the franchise. And like then you don't

805
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:54,600
Speaker 2: know what he is. He is he got a cramp, Like,

806
00:44:54,640 --> 00:44:57,600
Speaker 2: what's the deal here? Is this gonna mean something that

807
00:44:57,680 --> 00:45:00,239
Speaker 2: has him not finishing the game? Is this going to

808
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:02,200
Speaker 2: be a season long thing? Is it gonna be a

809
00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:03,319
Speaker 2: season ending thing?

810
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:03,960
Speaker 1: What is this?

811
00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:08,359
Speaker 2: That's when he walks off the field in a game

812
00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:13,600
Speaker 2: that counts. You hate to do this, but it has

813
00:45:13,719 --> 00:45:18,160
Speaker 2: unfortunately become such a part of Joe Burrow's career that

814
00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:22,440
Speaker 2: you have to at least entertain it. The Bengals are

815
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:31,360
Speaker 2: playing Week seventeen against the Arizona Cardinals and unfortunately, mathematically

816
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:36,040
Speaker 2: they have no chance of making the postseason, and Joe

817
00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:40,400
Speaker 2: Burrow steps the wrong way. Joe Burrow takes a hit,

818
00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:46,279
Speaker 2: Joe Burrow does something and now not only does he

819
00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:50,640
Speaker 2: have to limp off the field, here comes the cart

820
00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:55,040
Speaker 2: Like you hate to go that route, but how do

821
00:45:55,160 --> 00:46:00,040
Speaker 2: you not understanding his importance to the franchise, understanding his

822
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:05,080
Speaker 2: injury history. There's an inherent risk to any game. There's

823
00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:08,440
Speaker 2: an inherent risk that you just accept and you understand

824
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:11,439
Speaker 2: with every single play, even the most important players put

825
00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:16,440
Speaker 2: themselves in harm's way. It's one thing when there's a tangible,

826
00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:20,640
Speaker 2: meaningful reward like winning a regular season game that matters.

827
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:24,360
Speaker 1: It's something else when.

828
00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:28,320
Speaker 2: There's no real tangible reward like winning a regular season

829
00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:33,399
Speaker 2: game that matters. And so we're admittedly getting a little

830
00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:35,439
Speaker 2: ahead of ourselves, but I think it's where a lot

831
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:37,919
Speaker 2: of people's minds went the moment they saw that Joe

832
00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:41,640
Speaker 2: is okay to practice. If he could play this Sunday,

833
00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:44,239
Speaker 2: I would want him to. If he can play on

834
00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:49,640
Speaker 2: Thanksgiving night, you want him to. But there's obviously a

835
00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:56,839
Speaker 2: world that exists where the season unfolds so poorly that

836
00:46:56,880 --> 00:46:59,440
Speaker 2: the Bengals are playing games with an ass at the

837
00:46:59,520 --> 00:47:03,279
Speaker 2: end of it. Multiple plural that have no bearing on

838
00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:08,200
Speaker 2: the postseason. Just imagine how it would feel to watch

839
00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:13,440
Speaker 2: Joe Burrow suffering injury in one of them players play.

840
00:47:13,719 --> 00:47:14,960
Speaker 2: Sounds great on.

841
00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:17,279
Speaker 1: Thursday.

842
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:21,960
Speaker 2: It's what they do for a living. They're competitive guys,

843
00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:25,560
Speaker 2: that's what they get paid for. Sounds great on Tuesday.

844
00:47:27,600 --> 00:47:33,440
Speaker 2: What makes sense on Sunday is protect your investments.

845
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:36,600
Speaker 1: There has never been a more.

846
00:47:36,520 --> 00:47:43,200
Speaker 2: Significant investment in Cincinnati sports than Joe Burrow. Robert wintrob

847
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:45,920
Speaker 2: Cincinnati Magazine Bengals columnist Next.

848
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Speaker 8: Inminnati, brought to you by Beltera Casino and Belterra Park

849
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:56,480
Speaker 8: on ESPN fifteen thirty, the official home of the Cincinnati Bank.

850
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Speaker 2: If you're an FC Cincinnati fan, you're gonna have to

851
00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:01,600
Speaker 2: like re arrange your entire life.

852
00:48:02,120 --> 00:48:03,680
Speaker 1: I'll explain in twelve minutes.

853
00:48:04,120 --> 00:48:06,839
Speaker 2: That is a good old fashioned radio teas right there,

854
00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:11,480
Speaker 2: twenty three minutes after four o'clock. Now we're giving out

855
00:48:11,480 --> 00:48:14,439
Speaker 2: the time, we're playing blind Melon. We really are doing

856
00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:16,960
Speaker 2: a show like it's nineteen ninety four. Robert Wintraub is

857
00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:20,520
Speaker 2: with us. He writes a weekly Bengals column for Cincinnati Magazine.

858
00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:23,080
Speaker 2: You could read it at Cincinnati Magazine dot com, and

859
00:48:23,160 --> 00:48:24,520
Speaker 2: he joins us every single Thursday.

860
00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:28,400
Speaker 9: Hi, Robert, But in nineteen ninety four was a pretty good.

861
00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:28,839
Speaker 7: Year for me.

862
00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:30,919
Speaker 9: I'm not going to complain about your show going back

863
00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:32,719
Speaker 9: in time. It was the good old days when I

864
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Speaker 9: was young and bright, fresh in the world.

865
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Speaker 2: Bengals went three and fourteen in nineteen ninety four, Big

866
00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:40,120
Speaker 2: Daddy Dan Wilkinson was the number one overall pick. That

867
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Speaker 2: didn't work out for us.

868
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Speaker 9: I like to think I had more to my life

869
00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:47,520
Speaker 9: than than just the Bengals. Unfortunately that's not the case anymore.

870
00:48:47,560 --> 00:48:51,120
Speaker 9: So yeah, begaining going off a cliff rapidly.

871
00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:53,960
Speaker 2: For me, things have not changed one iota over the

872
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:58,359
Speaker 2: last thirty one years. So I want to read a

873
00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:01,040
Speaker 2: small passage from your column this week about Joe Burrow.

874
00:49:01,080 --> 00:49:03,640
Speaker 2: Joe Burrow is back. So he's back at practice. He's

875
00:49:03,680 --> 00:49:05,840
Speaker 2: not doing eleven on eleven stuff, any of that, but

876
00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:09,120
Speaker 2: inching closer to what we hope is a return two

877
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Speaker 2: weeks from tonight against Baltimore. We will see, but you're right,

878
00:49:12,560 --> 00:49:17,920
Speaker 2: Burrow will surely push to be out there regardless of circumstances. Now,

879
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Speaker 2: if the Bengals are playing in games that matter at all,

880
00:49:20,719 --> 00:49:23,480
Speaker 2: either to them or even to the team, they're playing.

881
00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:26,560
Speaker 2: I don't think anybody should have any issue with Joe

882
00:49:26,560 --> 00:49:29,279
Speaker 2: Burrow playing. But if we put like a Z or

883
00:49:29,320 --> 00:49:31,799
Speaker 2: a Y or an ex ra, whatever letter goes next

884
00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:34,160
Speaker 2: to your team name when you've been eliminated, should the

885
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Speaker 2: Bengals tell him, Yeah, that's cool, you want to play, Joe,

886
00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:37,520
Speaker 2: but we're not gonna let you.

887
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:38,680
Speaker 1: Yeah.

888
00:49:38,719 --> 00:49:42,320
Speaker 9: I like to use a p okay p for playoffs.

889
00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:42,640
Speaker 1: Yes.

890
00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:45,200
Speaker 9: Well, let me put it this way. The Bengals have

891
00:49:45,560 --> 00:49:49,279
Speaker 9: forty six million or so reasons to not tell them

892
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Speaker 9: not to play, right. I mean, they don't like to

893
00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:55,280
Speaker 9: pay people not to work. More to the point, I mean,

894
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Speaker 9: if Zach Taylor and Duke Tobin go to him and say,

895
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Speaker 9: you know, in our wisdom, massive judgment here, we think

896
00:50:02,200 --> 00:50:05,160
Speaker 9: it's best that Joe you don't play. Joe's cana say,

897
00:50:05,160 --> 00:50:05,400
Speaker 9: who the.

898
00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:07,240
Speaker 10: Hell you guys tell me anything.

899
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Speaker 9: What have you guys proven that I should listen to

900
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Speaker 9: your judgment on anything. It's gonna be tough for them.

901
00:50:14,040 --> 00:50:16,239
Speaker 9: I think they want to establish you know, it's just

902
00:50:16,280 --> 00:50:19,840
Speaker 9: sort of the nature of football, and Burrow himself is

903
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Speaker 9: certainly gonna want to be out there regardless. Like I say,

904
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Speaker 9: of circumstances because he has to prove to himself that

905
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Speaker 9: he's ready to get back out there and be able

906
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Speaker 9: to play. And if you say no, you can't be

907
00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:33,719
Speaker 9: out there, we're out of it because we lost the

908
00:50:33,719 --> 00:50:36,080
Speaker 9: Steelers and the Pats and there's no chance.

909
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Speaker 5: Of us coming back.

910
00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:39,800
Speaker 9: Then you're going a whole year without him playing basically

911
00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:42,400
Speaker 9: in a real game. Does anybody want that? I don't

912
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Speaker 9: know that that's gonna be something we want to see.

913
00:50:45,239 --> 00:50:47,239
Speaker 9: There's a lot of nuance to it, and like you say,

914
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Speaker 9: it's kind of depending on the results, and if he's

915
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Speaker 9: really even medically ready to come back for that Thanksgiving

916
00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:54,759
Speaker 9: Day game, that's sort of up in the air as

917
00:50:54,760 --> 00:50:58,320
Speaker 9: well right now. But I think the Bengals kind of

918
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Speaker 9: want to establish a culture of guys, guys playing regardless,

919
00:51:01,840 --> 00:51:04,000
Speaker 9: and if you have to be carried out in your shields,

920
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Speaker 9: you know, like Burrow has three times already in six years,

921
00:51:08,040 --> 00:51:10,080
Speaker 9: that's just the nature of the sport. And you know

922
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Speaker 9: they can trieven wrap him and bubble wrap, but you

923
00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:14,759
Speaker 9: know then he can come back next year turning camp

924
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Speaker 9: and get hurt in that capacity.

925
00:51:16,200 --> 00:51:16,920
Speaker 11: It's the NFL.

926
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Speaker 9: These kind of things happen. I think all concerned within

927
00:51:20,320 --> 00:51:23,440
Speaker 9: the building, there are more than happy to get him

928
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Speaker 9: back out in the field, regardless of circumstances. Like I say,

929
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Speaker 9: and even if the Bengals, you know, in their sort

930
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Speaker 9: of secret minds, think to themselves it's not a good idea.

931
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Speaker 1: I don't know that they're going to be able to

932
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Speaker 1: stop them. I fear you're right.

933
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Speaker 2: I wish in any game that the Bengals are playing

934
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Speaker 2: where it doesn't count, that they would protect the investment.

935
00:51:42,200 --> 00:51:44,799
Speaker 2: But I find it hard to believe that if Joe

936
00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:47,200
Speaker 2: says I'm playing that they would tell him no. The

937
00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:50,200
Speaker 2: last few weeks, the offense has cooked. Joe Flacco should

938
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Speaker 2: be the best story in this sport. Instead, he's a

939
00:51:53,120 --> 00:51:54,799
Speaker 2: little bit of a footnote along with that.

940
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Speaker 1: I don't know, man.

941
00:51:56,320 --> 00:51:58,839
Speaker 2: Look, you could say Joe Flacco is doing a great

942
00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:00,919
Speaker 2: job of getting rid of the football quickly needs making

943
00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:04,200
Speaker 2: this offensive line look good. My eyes tell me, and

944
00:52:04,239 --> 00:52:07,000
Speaker 2: I'm no expert by any stretch, I feel like this

945
00:52:07,200 --> 00:52:11,040
Speaker 2: unit has progressed nicely. Do analytics support that? And might

946
00:52:11,080 --> 00:52:14,799
Speaker 2: they actually be okay with their offensive line going into

947
00:52:14,920 --> 00:52:15,399
Speaker 2: next year?

948
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Speaker 7: Yeah?

949
00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:19,279
Speaker 9: Well, they definitely support it in the run game, which

950
00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:22,000
Speaker 9: is where you can really isolate it, and remember how

951
00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:24,840
Speaker 9: the running attack was at the bottom of the barrel

952
00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:26,440
Speaker 9: in the first month of the season. Now they're up

953
00:52:26,480 --> 00:52:29,839
Speaker 9: to ninth in DVOA and rushing they're third typer third

954
00:52:29,920 --> 00:52:33,000
Speaker 9: and EPA per rush. Now they've run it fewer than

955
00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:35,680
Speaker 9: any other, fewer attempts than any other team in the league.

956
00:52:35,719 --> 00:52:36,439
Speaker 1: That tends to help.

957
00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:39,319
Speaker 9: And when we separate out, we have a stack called

958
00:52:39,320 --> 00:52:42,200
Speaker 9: adjusted lineyards that kind of separates the line from the

959
00:52:42,280 --> 00:52:44,560
Speaker 9: running back in terms of running plays. And they're, you know,

960
00:52:44,640 --> 00:52:47,680
Speaker 9: still down around twenty fourth in that sense the line,

961
00:52:47,719 --> 00:52:49,600
Speaker 9: so they're not great, but I think what you see

962
00:52:49,680 --> 00:52:52,520
Speaker 9: is that they've switched almost entirely. Now they're first in

963
00:52:52,520 --> 00:52:55,160
Speaker 9: the league and running man blocking schemes when they're running

964
00:52:55,200 --> 00:52:58,279
Speaker 9: the ball, and you know that when you have two

965
00:52:58,320 --> 00:53:00,239
Speaker 9: rookies on the line in a second year player are

966
00:53:01,320 --> 00:53:03,319
Speaker 9: getting rid of some of the complexity of those zone

967
00:53:03,320 --> 00:53:05,680
Speaker 9: schemes that they wanted to run. Is probably the best bet.

968
00:53:05,800 --> 00:53:08,279
Speaker 9: And we should give Scott Peterson credit for that. I mean,

969
00:53:08,320 --> 00:53:10,160
Speaker 9: he gets lost a lot. Talk about a guy he'd

970
00:53:10,160 --> 00:53:12,800
Speaker 9: never hear his name mentioned right now with Al Golden

971
00:53:12,840 --> 00:53:15,399
Speaker 9: and the defense sucking up all the oxygen, but He's

972
00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:17,799
Speaker 9: taking a unit that has a lot of young, inexperienced

973
00:53:17,800 --> 00:53:21,279
Speaker 9: guys that was struggling certainly with at the beginning of

974
00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:23,439
Speaker 9: the year, and it turned it into a decent unit.

975
00:53:23,520 --> 00:53:24,160
Speaker 10: Are they great?

976
00:53:24,280 --> 00:53:26,920
Speaker 9: No, But you know, I think there's reason to be

977
00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:31,160
Speaker 9: cautiously optimistic, if not unbridled enthusiasm about them going into

978
00:53:31,239 --> 00:53:34,680
Speaker 9: next year. Certainly, you know, we would have said about

979
00:53:35,120 --> 00:53:38,160
Speaker 9: Cordell Wolson after his rookie year that oh, things are

980
00:53:38,200 --> 00:53:39,960
Speaker 9: looking good, He's turning up, and then you know, he

981
00:53:40,080 --> 00:53:42,600
Speaker 9: went straight down the barrel. And that's what happens with

982
00:53:42,840 --> 00:53:44,760
Speaker 9: day three guys like a Jalen Rivers.

983
00:53:44,760 --> 00:53:45,960
Speaker 5: So i'd be I.

984
00:53:45,880 --> 00:53:47,920
Speaker 9: Would caution against saying that he's going to be an

985
00:53:47,960 --> 00:53:50,960
Speaker 9: answer for the long term future necessarily, But so far

986
00:53:51,040 --> 00:53:54,040
Speaker 9: he's looked okay. He's treading water. And obviously you have

987
00:53:54,120 --> 00:53:56,720
Speaker 9: the other rookie deal and Fairchild playing pretty well, Amarius

988
00:53:56,760 --> 00:53:59,759
Speaker 9: Nim's playing pretty well, and tech cares signed for next

989
00:53:59,800 --> 00:54:01,600
Speaker 9: year he'll be thirty three. But they know what they're

990
00:54:01,600 --> 00:54:04,200
Speaker 9: getting from him. Really, the question mark is Orlando Brown.

991
00:54:04,239 --> 00:54:06,520
Speaker 9: I think in a perfect world they would try and

992
00:54:06,560 --> 00:54:09,600
Speaker 9: look for his sort of long to medium term replacement

993
00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:12,680
Speaker 9: in this offseason, either in the draft or free agency.

994
00:54:12,719 --> 00:54:15,000
Speaker 9: But I don't know if they can do that given

995
00:54:15,080 --> 00:54:19,360
Speaker 9: the whole defense. They have to credit every every asset

996
00:54:19,400 --> 00:54:21,000
Speaker 9: they have toward that end of the balls. So they

997
00:54:21,040 --> 00:54:24,560
Speaker 9: may cross their fingers and hope as the injury that

998
00:54:24,560 --> 00:54:26,880
Speaker 9: he suffered last year bad one gets further into his

999
00:54:26,920 --> 00:54:27,759
Speaker 9: rear view that his.

1000
00:54:27,800 --> 00:54:29,800
Speaker 1: Play takes another uptick.

1001
00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:31,560
Speaker 9: You can see that right now.

1002
00:54:31,560 --> 00:54:32,799
Speaker 1: It's still kind of affecting him.

1003
00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:34,839
Speaker 9: So hopefully had left tackle is not a position we're

1004
00:54:34,880 --> 00:54:38,359
Speaker 9: worried about next year. By twenty twenty seven, we certainly will,

1005
00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:40,200
Speaker 9: but hopefully they can hang on for another year there

1006
00:54:40,200 --> 00:54:42,319
Speaker 9: because the defense needs all the attention right now.

1007
00:54:42,520 --> 00:54:45,759
Speaker 2: Robert Wintrop is with U Rita's Bengals column at Cincinnati

1008
00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:49,759
Speaker 2: Magazine dot com. You're right about Trey Hendrickson's presence being

1009
00:54:49,840 --> 00:54:54,320
Speaker 2: sorely missed because time with this franchise is a flat circle.

1010
00:54:55,520 --> 00:54:57,560
Speaker 2: We're kind of left wondering the same thing about the

1011
00:54:57,600 --> 00:55:00,000
Speaker 2: Bengals and Trey Hendrickson this year we were last year,

1012
00:55:00,200 --> 00:55:02,960
Speaker 2: which is can you really move on from him? To

1013
00:55:03,080 --> 00:55:05,360
Speaker 2: not move on from him this coming off season would

1014
00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:08,520
Speaker 2: likely involve the franchise tag. Is there a world war,

1015
00:55:08,560 --> 00:55:10,560
Speaker 2: it would make sense to apply that to him.

1016
00:55:12,080 --> 00:55:14,120
Speaker 9: It's funny, you know, because I wrote it one breath

1017
00:55:14,120 --> 00:55:16,560
Speaker 9: in the column. We may have seen his last down

1018
00:55:16,640 --> 00:55:21,120
Speaker 9: as a Bengal already, right, I have no information about

1019
00:55:21,120 --> 00:55:23,359
Speaker 9: how bad his injury is, but it certainly didn't look

1020
00:55:23,400 --> 00:55:26,320
Speaker 9: good at the time, and you know, it certainly hasn't

1021
00:55:26,360 --> 00:55:29,440
Speaker 9: improved over the last few weeks, so that would obviously

1022
00:55:29,480 --> 00:55:32,640
Speaker 9: be bad. At the same time, it's almost like, because

1023
00:55:32,680 --> 00:55:35,640
Speaker 9: he's injured, his value to the rest of the league

1024
00:55:35,840 --> 00:55:39,360
Speaker 9: going into the offseason might be so depressed that and

1025
00:55:39,440 --> 00:55:42,000
Speaker 9: his age obviously a consideration, and this is what happens

1026
00:55:42,040 --> 00:55:44,600
Speaker 9: with older players. Kind of what the Bengals were, you know,

1027
00:55:44,640 --> 00:55:46,799
Speaker 9: holding the line about all this time. They didn't want

1028
00:55:46,840 --> 00:55:48,919
Speaker 9: to pay him because they were worried about just what

1029
00:55:48,960 --> 00:55:52,000
Speaker 9: we've seen happen him getting hurt. And I guess it's

1030
00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:54,960
Speaker 9: a possibility that they can be able to sign him

1031
00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:58,040
Speaker 9: for next year and not even necessarily even invoke the

1032
00:55:58,080 --> 00:56:00,759
Speaker 9: franchise tag. Maybe they can come down and then you know,

1033
00:56:00,760 --> 00:56:03,480
Speaker 9: he's always said, Trey that he wants to remain a Bengal.

1034
00:56:03,600 --> 00:56:07,760
Speaker 9: It's not entirely impossible that they find a calming ground

1035
00:56:07,840 --> 00:56:11,040
Speaker 9: and just sign him to a slightly lesser deal that

1036
00:56:11,400 --> 00:56:13,680
Speaker 9: you know both sides feel good about because he didn't

1037
00:56:13,719 --> 00:56:16,080
Speaker 9: get to show his wares on the field this year

1038
00:56:16,120 --> 00:56:19,319
Speaker 9: and he won't be able to get a huge contract elsewhere.

1039
00:56:19,360 --> 00:56:22,359
Speaker 9: So I think there's no question that even if you're

1040
00:56:22,880 --> 00:56:25,520
Speaker 9: Trey Hendrickson coming off a year that's kind of lost

1041
00:56:26,000 --> 00:56:28,319
Speaker 9: in twenty twenty five, he'd still probably be their best

1042
00:56:28,320 --> 00:56:31,399
Speaker 9: player defensively next year. They don't seem to be able

1043
00:56:31,440 --> 00:56:34,040
Speaker 9: to find a pass rusher with his salt without him,

1044
00:56:34,120 --> 00:56:38,719
Speaker 9: So I definitely think while it's entirely possible we've seen

1045
00:56:38,719 --> 00:56:41,120
Speaker 9: the last of them, I think it's possible he's back

1046
00:56:41,160 --> 00:56:43,200
Speaker 9: in stripes next year. Who would have said that that

1047
00:56:43,840 --> 00:56:46,360
Speaker 9: a month ago or six weeks ago. It's hard to believe.

1048
00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:49,440
Speaker 9: But as you say, things change so rapidly around the Bengals,

1049
00:56:49,440 --> 00:56:51,319
Speaker 9: you have to have to have an airsick bag at

1050
00:56:51,320 --> 00:56:51,680
Speaker 9: all times.

1051
00:56:51,800 --> 00:56:54,960
Speaker 2: Trey Hendrickson has been an unending content machine. I'm not

1052
00:56:55,040 --> 00:56:57,839
Speaker 2: ready to let it go. I need more, I need

1053
00:56:57,880 --> 00:56:58,720
Speaker 2: more trade time.

1054
00:57:00,600 --> 00:57:04,080
Speaker 9: Listen, all of us would be digging deep for material.

1055
00:57:03,680 --> 00:57:04,680
Speaker 5: Of it without him.

1056
00:57:04,880 --> 00:57:07,800
Speaker 9: Try we definitely want him in stripes as long as possible.

1057
00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:09,600
Speaker 1: Treasure Trove tray, no question.

1058
00:57:09,680 --> 00:57:13,320
Speaker 2: Robert Wintrob Bengals column is Cincinnati Magazine dot com awesome

1059
00:57:13,320 --> 00:57:14,120
Speaker 2: as always, Thank you.

1060
00:57:14,080 --> 00:57:16,840
Speaker 9: So much, Thank you, MO appreciate that's our guy.

1061
00:57:16,960 --> 00:57:20,160
Speaker 2: Robert Wintrob read his column right now. Cincinnati Magazine dot

1062
00:57:20,240 --> 00:57:23,280
Speaker 2: com MLS is like changing its entire calendar, and I

1063
00:57:23,320 --> 00:57:25,360
Speaker 2: think this is a good thing because you know, my

1064
00:57:25,400 --> 00:57:26,080
Speaker 2: opinion matters.

1065
00:57:26,080 --> 00:57:27,200
Speaker 1: We'll do that next.

1066
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Speaker 8: You've been listening to Football in the NATI on ESPN

1067
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Speaker 2: for life. Kelseychef dot com. Bengals injury report is out.

1071
00:57:50,080 --> 00:57:53,320
Speaker 2: Are you ready? I would have hit the post there.

1072
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Speaker 1: Uh.

1073
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Speaker 2: Joe Flacco limited. He did some throwing, not a ton

1074
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Speaker 2: of throwing. Here's the injury report. Second consecutive day. Trey

1075
00:58:02,000 --> 00:58:08,320
Speaker 2: Hendrickson DNP, second consecutive day, Shamar Stewart DMP, second consecutive day,

1076
00:58:08,840 --> 00:58:12,640
Speaker 2: Joe Burrow limited. Jermaine Burton's on the injury report. He

1077
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Speaker 2: didn't go today with illness. Boy, hope he's back tomorrow.

1078
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Speaker 2: Bengals and Steelers Sunday at one live on ESPN fifteen thirty.

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Speaker 2: Pregame coverage begins Sunday morning at nine o'clock. The Reds

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Speaker 2: have named Oscar Marine as the team's new bullpen coach.

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Speaker 2: He was with the Pirates last year and fans are

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Speaker 2: talking themselves into well, he must have been the reason

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Speaker 2: why Paul Skens was so good. Matt Tracy has been

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Speaker 2: moved from assistant no he's been moved from bullpen coach

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Speaker 2: to assistant pitching coach. And we only have an hour

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Speaker 2: and twenty minutes left in the show. I don't have

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Speaker 2: time to read for you the entire roster of Red's coaches.

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Speaker 2: We do have very significant Major League Soccer news. I

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Speaker 2: think this is good. So Major League Soccer has announced

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Speaker 2: within the last few minutes a shift in its competition calendar,

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Speaker 2: which will align the league's schedule with the world's top

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Speaker 2: soccer league. Starting in twenty twenty seven, Major League Soccer

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Speaker 2: will adopt a summer to spring season fourmat So you know.

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Speaker 2: The way it works now is the season basically begins

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Speaker 2: in late February early March. FC Cincinnati's first game was

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Speaker 2: in the Conka CAF Champions Cup, and I will not

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Speaker 2: forget this because I was there. They played that game

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Speaker 2: the day before the Reds played their first Cactus League game,

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Speaker 2: and then played like their first MLS game a couple

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Speaker 2: of like a week or so later. They're still in

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Speaker 2: their playoffs. The baseball season. The Reds haven't played in

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Speaker 2: a month and a half. How long the season goes anyway,

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Speaker 2: So what this means is starting in July of twenty seven,

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Speaker 2: the twenty twenty seven twenty twenty eight MLS regular season

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Speaker 2: instead of starting in like March, is going to start

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Speaker 2: in July, and what they will do is.

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Speaker 1: Go until.

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Speaker 2: The winter time, take a break from mid December through

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Speaker 2: early February, have no matches scheduled in January, and then

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Speaker 2: pick the season back up and have the season end

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Speaker 2: in May. So you would have your playoffs, which is

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Speaker 2: what they're in right now. I guess you would have

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Speaker 2: them during the spring. I guess this is how the

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Speaker 2: world's top leagues do it. I don't care about that.

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Speaker 2: From my perspective, this makes sense because what should be

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Speaker 2: the signature period on the MLS calendar is right now

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Speaker 2: your playoffs, which are happening while the NFL is taking play,

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Speaker 2: college football is taking place, the NBA is underway, hockey

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Speaker 2: is happening, college basketball is underway. Like FC Cincinnati is

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Speaker 2: gonna play this massive game a week from Sunday at

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Speaker 2: five o'clock in the afternoon. Number One, it might be

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Speaker 2: twenty five degrees at the soccer venue on the west

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Speaker 2: end of Cincinnati. Number two, it's gonna happen an hour

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Speaker 2: after a Bengals game just down the street.

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Speaker 1: Ends.

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Speaker 2: It's gonna happen during this weekend where you have possibly

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Speaker 2: an immense UC football game, the UC Louisville basketball game,

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Speaker 2: a full NFL slate, full college football slate, a Bengals game.

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Speaker 2: You know, it's it's almost impossible, I guess if you're

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Speaker 2: soccer to avoid those things. But why have your signature

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Speaker 2: event happened while there's all this well, there's all this

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Speaker 2: other stuff going on.

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Speaker 1: And so.

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Speaker 2: What they're gonna do is have a transition season from

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Speaker 2: February to May twenty twenty seven, which will feature a

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Speaker 2: fourteen game regular season and then start it's twenty twenty

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Speaker 2: seven twenty twenty eight season. And I am probably confusing you,

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Speaker 2: but basically what they're gonna do is go summer to spring,

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Speaker 2: take a break in the winter and have their playoffs

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Speaker 2: when there's not as much stuff going on, which is

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Speaker 2: a good thing. Dan Klaskins will help us with fantasy football.

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Speaker 1: Next Saturday, we're.

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Speaker 7: Off by Kentucky Football. The Cats are hungry for another

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Speaker 7: victory and they're ready to do some therd hunting. Tennessee

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Speaker 7: Tech Golden Eagles and your Kentucky Wildcats.

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Speaker 12: UK coverage starts Saturday morning at eleven thirty on ESPN.

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Speaker 9: And that.

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Speaker 1: Kentucky football promo.

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Speaker 2: Are we actually promoting this stuff we carry on this

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Speaker 2: radio station. Wow, it is eleven away from five o'clock.

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I'm taking it back. Dan Klaskins joins us

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Speaker 2: every Thursday to talk fantasy football. He is the host

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Speaker 2: of Fantastics Insider Football on Sirius XM Fantasy. He is

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Speaker 2: on x at Dan Klaskins, and he's with us right now.

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Speaker 2: I look forward to this segment because it makes me

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Speaker 2: think of people who are having good fantasy football seasons,

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Speaker 2: unlike myself.

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Speaker 4: Well in this good football season in general, though, right,

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Speaker 4: I mean fantasy the reason that.

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Speaker 6: Some of us have it down.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you're right, you're right about that.

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Speaker 2: So last week, you kind of took a look at

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Speaker 2: favorable fantasy football schedules, or players who have favorable fantasy

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Speaker 2: football schedules. Let's talk about some players who have bad

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Speaker 2: schedules as we come down the stretch.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, some struggles ahead for sure, and Patrick Mahomes could

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Speaker 4: be a.

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Speaker 1: Top that list.

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Speaker 4: He's really enjoyed that nice fantasy resurgence at this point

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Speaker 4: of the season, one of the top fantasy quarterbacks through

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Speaker 4: the first ten weeks, but that schedule gets brutal over

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Speaker 4: the next seven weeks. You're talking about He's got a

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Speaker 4: matchup with Denver at the beginning this weekend at the

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Speaker 4: end of the week seventeen, four tough matchups, and no

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Speaker 4: quarterback has more negative matchups and running back, the schedule

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Speaker 4: just is brutal for rookie Ashton jenty and he's only

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Speaker 4: finishes the top twelve running back three times this season

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Speaker 4: through the first ten weeks. And that beeat might be

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Speaker 4: even tougher to come in the week's ahead.

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Speaker 11: So take advantage this week.

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Speaker 4: First Dallas on Monday night, because after that the Raiders

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Speaker 4: have four negative match the Browns, Chargers, Broncos, and Texans,

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Speaker 4: and their next five games. I think DeVante Adams has

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Speaker 4: also been looking pretty good here connective at Matthew Stanford

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Speaker 4: and I think they'll continue to produce.

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Speaker 6: Down the stress and healthy. But you may win a

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Speaker 6: temper your.

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Speaker 4: Expectations a bit to ransomly have one game left. First

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Speaker 4: team's allowing in the top sixteen most fantasy points.

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Speaker 6: A while out this season, so that's not very favorite one.

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Speaker 4: Dalton Schultz another guy, pretty steady back end tight end

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Speaker 4: one here in recent weeks, but after this week's matchup

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Speaker 4: with the Titans, didn't have another plus match up the

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Speaker 4: remaining remainder of this season at taxing schedule.

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Speaker 6: Another one of those teams that is going to get covered.

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Speaker 7: Down the streets.

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Speaker 2: All right, we have two teams on buys this week,

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Speaker 2: Indy and the Saints, but we have a lot of

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Speaker 2: injuries to discuss.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well, it is nice to get a break from

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Speaker 4: the buys and only eight more buys after this week,

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Speaker 4: including no budes the week of Thanksgiving, so we're past that.

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Speaker 6: But let's get to the injuries. Garret Wilson the biggest

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Speaker 6: one here.

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Speaker 4: That the Jets wide out is sustained to knee injury

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Speaker 4: that placed him on ir within this past hour. He's

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Speaker 4: out for at least the next four games was little

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Speaker 4: to play for perhaps the season. So not that Wilson's

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Speaker 4: been living up to his draft capital, but still a

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Speaker 4: blow for his managers that have already been disappointed. Another

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Speaker 4: bloke for fantasy managers, Marvin Harrison Pendicitis has him sign

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Speaker 4: nine this week, perhaps even next week.

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Speaker 11: It takes a while to recover from that, so we'll

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Speaker 11: have to monitor that.

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Speaker 4: Devonte Ads I meant about tomp He's also be able

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Speaker 4: to know league issue is limited in practice.

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Speaker 6: I expect him to play, and we.

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Speaker 4: Could also see the return of Ricky Piersoll this week.

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Speaker 4: The forty nine or second year Whiteout has been missing

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Speaker 4: an action for most of the season from a knee injury,

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Speaker 4: but all signs barring a setback, pointed him returning this week.

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Speaker 6: He could be a wide receiver.

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Speaker 4: Three running back Bucky Irving limited participants second straight table

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Speaker 4: to see how it goes on Friday, but the Bucks

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Speaker 4: might finally be getting there.

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Speaker 6: RB one back JK.

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Speaker 4: Dobbins not placed on ir.

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Speaker 11: But they're considering it.

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Speaker 4: He's gonna miss at least this week, maybe more with

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Speaker 4: the foot injury.

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Speaker 2: R J.

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Speaker 4: Harvey the most likely candidate there, Isaiah Pacheco coming out

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Speaker 4: of the buy from the Chiefs. He's still sidelined for

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Speaker 4: the with the knee issue there, so I don't think he's.

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Speaker 11: Playing a week eleven.

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Speaker 4: We already know vermondre Stevenson isn't the plan again tonight,

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Speaker 4: so fire up Wentwood's graduate Traveon Henderson looking forward to

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Speaker 4: a big night perhaps from him on Thursday Night football.

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Speaker 11: As reminder, Stevens still out at that time.

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Speaker 6: Issue. We know about Joe Burrow.

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Speaker 4: And his so you know what that means in fantasy.

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Speaker 4: Obviously you've been using Joe Plack go to the stream

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Speaker 4: that's going to hurt him. Honestly, by the way the

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Speaker 4: Thingles offense been goading on points, I don't think it's

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Speaker 4: going to have that big fan of Hampacks of the people

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Speaker 4: that I'm Berlwin Placo speaking at a quarterback and tow

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Speaker 4: issues brought perty also trending towards the return finally for

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Speaker 4: the forty.

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Speaker 11: Nine ers, We'll see how it goes tomorrow.

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Speaker 4: A couple of quarterbacks that are can custom out of

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Speaker 4: action this week.

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Speaker 6: Jackson Dart my favorite.

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Speaker 4: Rookie QB the a sideline James Winston will get the

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Speaker 4: shot this week in New York where they have a

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Speaker 4: new coach.

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Speaker 6: As well, and T J.

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Speaker 4: Stroud he's still in concussion protocol. So a second week

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Speaker 4: of Davis Mill detections of course, score twenty six unanswered

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Speaker 4: in the fourth quarter to when last week can screw

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Speaker 4: about three of my parloat.

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Speaker 6: So you're happy to see that. Roddy Jackson the second

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Speaker 6: with an e issues day to day.

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Speaker 11: Good news there.

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Speaker 6: But Sambla porta tight end you want to keep an

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Speaker 6: eye on.

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Speaker 11: You have to practice all week with this back.

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Speaker 6: As you have a crossing my fingers. He gets out

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Speaker 6: there tomorrow.

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Speaker 11: The lines and the Eagles one of the biggest bats

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Speaker 11: up the head.

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Speaker 2: Week eleven, Dan Klaskins is with this Fantastics Insider, Football

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Speaker 2: Serious XM Fantasy. Dana is on x AT Dan Klaskins,

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Speaker 2: give me your weekly Studs Dudgeon sleepers.

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Speaker 4: I mean we got Bengals are off five mode, so

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Speaker 4: that always helps.

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Speaker 6: The fantasy analyst b L A Z.

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Speaker 4: But no, I really like Jalen Warren this week my

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Speaker 4: win you, I mean my Commons column for.

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Speaker 6: A bigger workload.

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Speaker 4: Warren has looked a part and it's the Bengals defense

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Speaker 4: that it's not just the worst defense against fantasy running backs, no,

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Speaker 4: but even in standard league, we're we're on a counter receptions.

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Speaker 4: They're giving up almost five fantasy points more per game

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Speaker 4: than the next closest team, the Titans. Warren is locked in,

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Speaker 4: as is another James and Jalen's waddle. He gets the

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Speaker 4: second most fantasy points defense this week. As Miami said

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Speaker 4: to stake on Washington and that Madrid game on Sunday morning.

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Speaker 4: On the dud side of thing, I do like miss

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Speaker 4: Baker Mayfield, don't like him as much this week against

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Speaker 4: the Buffalo. I think it's tough Lettings outside my top

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Speaker 4: fift team for the first time that season. And I

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Speaker 4: also don't like zader Worthy. Since Russy Rice has come back,

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Speaker 4: he's been a little bit too hitter Mintcember one of

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Speaker 4: the stingier passing defenses in the league. Zader Worthy not

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Speaker 4: a guy that I'm wrecking this week. And a couple

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Speaker 4: of sleepers for you, Jacoby percent The only quarterback four

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Speaker 4: straight weeks it's finished at the QB one meeting in

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Speaker 4: the top twelve is Jacoby Perset. We look pretty good

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Speaker 4: there at Sampans defense and banged up back to like

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Speaker 4: the Cardinals will pull off the upset there and what

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Speaker 4: he marks, Uh haven't paid attention yet. The rookie is

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Speaker 4: starting to make a splash, taking over more of a

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Speaker 4: workload each week. The nation's way into my top twenty

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Speaker 4: five this week for the Texans dat Tennessee, where I

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Speaker 4: think you'll have a much larger workload than veteran nick jab.

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Speaker 2: Our guy Dan Klaskins joins us every single Thursday Fantastics

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Speaker 2: Insider Football on Sirius x Sam. I put this on

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Speaker 2: Twitter this week. Dan has two tremendous passions. One is

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Speaker 2: fantasy football, the other is helping out our nation's vets.

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Speaker 2: You talk about this on nearly a weekly basis the

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I appreciate that moment and certainly helps them spread

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Speaker 4: just pick against the salary cap. We have season long prizes,

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Speaker 6: Great weekly prizes.

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Speaker 11: More of those entries a T shirt as well.

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Speaker 6: Really, you know, we need to say thanks to veterans

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Speaker 6: every day.

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Speaker 4: I'm just on Veterans Day and there's no better way

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Speaker 4: You can play with me, Come set your fantasy lineup,

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Speaker 2: great week to get involved.

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Speaker 1: Dan, thanks as always.

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Speaker 11: I appreciate him enjoying the gamesway ran.

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Speaker 1: Most definitely, that's our guy.

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Speaker 2: Dan Klaskin's Fantastics Insider Football on Serious XM Fantasy and

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Speaker 2: on Twitter. Taking your fantasy football questions at Dan Glaskins

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Speaker 2: couple away from five o'clock. We are We're guest reedal

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Speaker 2: five twenty mi evrow five point three seven four nine

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Speaker 2: fifteen thirty is our phone number. Our phones have worked.

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Speaker 2: like a real live radio station. Couple away from five o'clock.

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Speaker 2: This is ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station. What's up,

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Speaker 2: mullagg or ESPN fifteen thirty. It is finally here the

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Speaker 2: bud Light five o'clock happy hour. You know this is

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Speaker 2: our Friday. There's no we don't have a show tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: It's Bengals Pepper. Don't blame me by the way, at

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Speaker 2: Bengals bought the three hours and want me a part

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Speaker 2: of it. Which can you blame them? So I'm not

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Speaker 2: here tomorrow. So it's the weekend is almost here. When

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Speaker 2: the weekend is almost here, you could almost taste in

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Speaker 2: an ice cold bud light, grab a six pack on

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Speaker 2: your way home, or better yet, come and join ice

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Speaker 2: cold bud Light with me tonight at bell Terra Park.

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Speaker 2: As a matter of fact, speaking of which, I was

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Speaker 2: just handed during the break a clear cube with a

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Speaker 2: baseball signed by Johnny Bench that I am to give

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Speaker 2: away tonight. This is thanks to our friends at Sports Investments,

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Speaker 2: along with other prizes including a Cincy Shirts gift card

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Speaker 2: and I've got tickets to go see ac DC and

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Speaker 2: Columbus and the Trans Siberian Orchestra as well. To me,

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Speaker 2: this is this is the prize, all right? Then there

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Speaker 2: it is. You can hear me tap of the cube ever,

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Speaker 2: tap a cube? There it is right there, the Johnny

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Speaker 2: Bench signed baseball. I will have it in my possession

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Speaker 2: tonight at Bellterra Park.

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Speaker 1: So come on out, you might win it and we'll watch.

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Speaker 2: Ah, I'm not even gonna try to say good Thursday

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Speaker 2: night football game, a football game between the Patriots and

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01:12:50,760 --> 01:12:53,040
Speaker 2: Jets on top of whatever else is going on that

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Speaker 2: we could watch at the FanDuel Sportsbook inside Bell tra Park.

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Speaker 2: We'll be there tonight enjoying Giveaway's fellowship and a nice

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Speaker 2: cold bod light. Our guy Jay Morrison's going to join

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Speaker 2: us in just about twelve minutes. I said that, like

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Speaker 2: I was asking. In twelve minutes, Jay Morrison's going to

1380
01:13:14,640 --> 01:13:17,800
Speaker 2: be on the show, and what to watch for from

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Speaker 2: Joe Burrow with one are the experts from Ortho Sinsey

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Speaker 2: coming up in just about thirty minutes. Between now and then,

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01:13:25,400 --> 01:13:27,519
Speaker 2: chance for you and I to have a conversation about

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01:13:27,760 --> 01:13:31,800
Speaker 2: whatever is happening in the ever interesting and always fun

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Speaker 2: world of sports. Mike you're on ESPN fifteen thirty.

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Speaker 1: Hi Mike, Hi Moss.

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Speaker 10: Thank you for let me read off.

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01:13:41,520 --> 01:13:44,040
Speaker 2: You're very welcome. What is what is on your mind today?

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01:13:44,080 --> 01:13:45,559
Speaker 2: Besides the Orlando Magic?

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01:13:47,800 --> 01:13:53,160
Speaker 10: Dude, what happened the next was all the slow To.

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01:13:53,240 --> 01:13:56,479
Speaker 2: Me, they look slow second day of a back to back.

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01:13:56,680 --> 01:13:59,000
Speaker 2: That's not an excuse. And the head coach Mike Brown

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01:13:59,000 --> 01:14:00,200
Speaker 2: after the game set is much.

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01:14:01,600 --> 01:14:04,839
Speaker 10: I didn't hear that part, but I knew the Magic

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01:14:04,880 --> 01:14:11,080
Speaker 10: were being talked about with a lot of uh of hope.

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01:14:11,280 --> 01:14:13,280
Speaker 10: I guess you could call it. You know towards the

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01:14:13,400 --> 01:14:16,519
Speaker 10: end of last year that they were certainly an up

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01:14:16,520 --> 01:14:19,479
Speaker 10: and coming team. But what's your feeling about the Magic?

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01:14:19,600 --> 01:14:22,200
Speaker 10: Not that anybody in Cincinnati kars, but you and I do.

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Speaker 2: I like Ben Caro for his sake. I hope he's

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01:14:25,680 --> 01:14:29,200
Speaker 2: okay because he left the game last night. I think they,

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01:14:29,240 --> 01:14:32,320
Speaker 2: along with Detroit, are two teams that have a chance

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01:14:32,360 --> 01:14:34,519
Speaker 2: to take advantage of a little bit of a power

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01:14:34,560 --> 01:14:36,240
Speaker 2: gap at the top of the Eastern Conference.

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01:14:38,160 --> 01:14:42,559
Speaker 10: Yeah, and that way, do you think that do you

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01:14:42,640 --> 01:14:46,320
Speaker 10: think I don't know how to put this properly, do

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01:14:46,680 --> 01:14:51,080
Speaker 10: you think that one by on, one by one bond

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01:14:52,520 --> 01:14:59,400
Speaker 10: Because of his size and dexterity and his agility. Do

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01:14:59,439 --> 01:15:02,960
Speaker 10: you think if he gets into the next couple of

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01:15:03,040 --> 01:15:06,760
Speaker 10: years and probably be took maybe a hair, do you

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01:15:06,800 --> 01:15:11,840
Speaker 10: think he's gonna it's almost gonna be on the opposite

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01:15:11,880 --> 01:15:15,080
Speaker 10: side of what Shack was because of this brutal power.

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01:15:15,720 --> 01:15:18,439
Speaker 10: Do you think his dominance will just come from his

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01:15:18,600 --> 01:15:22,120
Speaker 10: height or his all around shooting ability or all of.

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01:15:22,080 --> 01:15:26,000
Speaker 2: It, just the all around skill. I mean, start with

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01:15:26,040 --> 01:15:31,360
Speaker 2: the fact that he's seven foot four. You know, we

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01:15:31,680 --> 01:15:34,200
Speaker 2: have talked about him for so long that I think

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01:15:34,240 --> 01:15:37,000
Speaker 2: people tend to forget he is not even yet twenty

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01:15:37,080 --> 01:15:38,880
Speaker 2: two years old. I don't think he turns twenty two

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01:15:38,960 --> 01:15:43,000
Speaker 2: years old until sometime next year. He's played less than

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01:15:43,120 --> 01:15:45,840
Speaker 2: he's played less than two full seasons, because you know,

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01:15:45,920 --> 01:15:48,840
Speaker 2: his year last year was cut short about midway through.

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01:15:49,320 --> 01:15:53,720
Speaker 2: He's like you talk about like NBA players that I

1424
01:15:53,720 --> 01:15:55,679
Speaker 2: would kill to see in person right now.

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Speaker 1: He is at the top of the list.

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01:15:57,840 --> 01:16:01,000
Speaker 2: He can block shots, he's awesome on the boards, he's

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01:16:01,000 --> 01:16:03,559
Speaker 2: good with the ball, he's a he's a better than

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01:16:03,560 --> 01:16:07,240
Speaker 2: average shooter for a guy his size. There really isn't

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01:16:07,320 --> 01:16:09,720
Speaker 2: much on a basketball floor he cannot do. He could

1430
01:16:09,760 --> 01:16:11,880
Speaker 2: still be pushed around. I think a little bit more

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01:16:11,920 --> 01:16:14,439
Speaker 2: than I'm sure he and his team would like. But

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01:16:14,640 --> 01:16:18,640
Speaker 2: holy crap, like we've never seen anything like him. He

1433
01:16:18,760 --> 01:16:22,519
Speaker 2: has moments of jest, Holy crap, did Jujesse. He's and

1434
01:16:22,560 --> 01:16:24,040
Speaker 2: he's been on a team that over the last couple

1435
01:16:24,080 --> 01:16:25,840
Speaker 2: of years hasn't been very good, so they don't get

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01:16:25,880 --> 01:16:28,559
Speaker 2: shown a lot. They're off to a great start this year.

1437
01:16:28,600 --> 01:16:32,000
Speaker 2: But for those who don't watch that league closely, if

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01:16:32,000 --> 01:16:35,000
Speaker 2: you haven't given if you haven't given yourself a chance

1439
01:16:35,040 --> 01:16:38,880
Speaker 2: to watch Victor Wembinata. When wembin Yama I always putting

1440
01:16:38,880 --> 01:16:40,160
Speaker 2: an en at the end of his last name, you

1441
01:16:40,200 --> 01:16:41,000
Speaker 2: owe it to yourself.

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Speaker 1: He is awes.

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01:16:43,640 --> 01:16:47,439
Speaker 10: He is. It's almost like a freak. It almost reminds

1444
01:16:47,479 --> 01:16:49,680
Speaker 10: me of Kareem back in the day. That's when they

1445
01:16:49,720 --> 01:16:53,360
Speaker 10: started talking about possibly raising the heights of the rim

1446
01:16:53,479 --> 01:16:55,679
Speaker 10: and these kind of things. And these guys way more

1447
01:16:55,800 --> 01:16:58,280
Speaker 10: talented than Kareem was, way.

1448
01:16:58,040 --> 01:17:02,200
Speaker 2: More Yeah, I mean, just the natural evolution of that position, right,

1449
01:17:02,360 --> 01:17:06,000
Speaker 2: Like dudes his size are now asked pretty routinely to

1450
01:17:06,000 --> 01:17:08,760
Speaker 2: step out and shoot. He has larger range, he can

1451
01:17:08,800 --> 01:17:11,599
Speaker 2: put it on the deck. I mean, he's very much

1452
01:17:11,640 --> 01:17:13,240
Speaker 2: on the floor of that dude, can't do it again.

1453
01:17:13,280 --> 01:17:15,920
Speaker 2: He's you know, he's twenty one years old. Had we

1454
01:17:16,000 --> 01:17:18,320
Speaker 2: done this the old way, he would be, you know,

1455
01:17:18,439 --> 01:17:20,840
Speaker 2: essentially the age of a college junior, maybe coming out

1456
01:17:20,880 --> 01:17:25,160
Speaker 2: before his senior season. There's still some some some areas

1457
01:17:25,200 --> 01:17:27,840
Speaker 2: of his game that I'm sure we haven't seen him

1458
01:17:27,840 --> 01:17:29,439
Speaker 2: even come close to maxing out yet.

1459
01:17:30,479 --> 01:17:31,040
Speaker 7: Yeah.

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01:17:31,160 --> 01:17:34,080
Speaker 10: I remember back when the Sonics were a pretty good

1461
01:17:34,080 --> 01:17:37,160
Speaker 10: Basco and he wasn't even a seventh footer, but Jack

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01:17:37,200 --> 01:17:39,519
Speaker 10: Sickmoul was one of the few big men that could

1463
01:17:39,760 --> 01:17:42,160
Speaker 10: go outside and HI get a couple of jump shots.

1464
01:17:42,439 --> 01:17:44,920
Speaker 10: I don't know if you recalled Jack sickmok Jack Sigma.

1465
01:17:45,000 --> 01:17:46,679
Speaker 1: I remember his name Milwaukee Buck.

1466
01:17:46,760 --> 01:17:48,799
Speaker 2: But you know, one of my all time favorite players

1467
01:17:48,840 --> 01:17:51,840
Speaker 2: Mike is Patrick Ewing. And Patrick Ewing became a really

1468
01:17:51,920 --> 01:17:55,120
Speaker 2: lethal outside shooter for a seven footer and when I

1469
01:17:55,160 --> 01:17:58,439
Speaker 2: say outside, I mean twelve to fifteen feet And that

1470
01:17:58,520 --> 01:18:00,879
Speaker 2: was kind of novel. Like it was like Keim Elijuan

1471
01:18:01,000 --> 01:18:03,200
Speaker 2: sort of the same thing. Like they would talk about

1472
01:18:03,240 --> 01:18:06,520
Speaker 2: bigs being able to step out and hit shots from outside,

1473
01:18:07,000 --> 01:18:10,679
Speaker 2: and that meant from basically free throw range. Now we're

1474
01:18:10,720 --> 01:18:13,639
Speaker 2: talking about dudes stepping out from not just behind the arc,

1475
01:18:14,320 --> 01:18:16,080
Speaker 2: but even a foot or two behind. Not a foot

1476
01:18:16,120 --> 01:18:18,720
Speaker 2: or two, but maybe a half foot behind the arc.

1477
01:18:20,080 --> 01:18:22,599
Speaker 10: And I can't wait for this UC Louisville game. I'm

1478
01:18:22,720 --> 01:18:24,600
Speaker 10: so exciting Louisville. I'm not.

1479
01:18:24,960 --> 01:18:26,760
Speaker 1: I'm not looking I'm not looking forward to it. I'm

1480
01:18:26,760 --> 01:18:29,200
Speaker 1: not looking forward to it, Mike, Yeah, I.

1481
01:18:29,200 --> 01:18:29,640
Speaker 7: Know you're not.

1482
01:18:30,000 --> 01:18:32,799
Speaker 10: Hey, real quick, I know they've made a little uh

1483
01:18:33,240 --> 01:18:37,000
Speaker 10: mentioned on Tony's show today about the Revs picked up

1484
01:18:37,040 --> 01:18:41,639
Speaker 10: the Norwork, that backup catcher from the Dodgers. Yeah, don't

1485
01:18:41,640 --> 01:18:44,800
Speaker 10: get too excited. The guy's a great defensive catcher, but

1486
01:18:44,880 --> 01:18:47,479
Speaker 10: don't get too excited about the bat. And that's why

1487
01:18:47,520 --> 01:18:50,639
Speaker 10: they probably let him go. They got some young Mexican guy.

1488
01:18:50,479 --> 01:18:53,200
Speaker 2: Down there, whis on is gonna be on his third

1489
01:18:53,240 --> 01:18:54,719
Speaker 2: team in less than a year, right.

1490
01:18:56,080 --> 01:19:00,000
Speaker 10: Yeah exactly, But yeah he is. He's a great defensive catcher,

1491
01:19:00,080 --> 01:19:02,439
Speaker 10: but he just to hand hit. That's all I got all.

1492
01:19:02,479 --> 01:19:04,360
Speaker 10: I'm pretty boring today, Sorry, Mike.

1493
01:19:04,400 --> 01:19:05,960
Speaker 1: You're never boring. Ever.

1494
01:19:06,439 --> 01:19:08,559
Speaker 2: Do you call yourself a lot of things? You are

1495
01:19:08,600 --> 01:19:10,759
Speaker 2: a lot of things, Mike, You are never boring.

1496
01:19:11,760 --> 01:19:14,559
Speaker 10: Yeah, thank you, Bill. You take care buddy, I'll do my.

1497
01:19:14,560 --> 01:19:22,320
Speaker 2: Best fourteen minutes after five o'clock. Not looking forward to

1498
01:19:22,360 --> 01:19:24,839
Speaker 2: you see, and Louisville has more to do with Louisville

1499
01:19:24,920 --> 01:19:28,519
Speaker 2: than the Bearcats. Chack kind of made me feel better talking.

1500
01:19:29,360 --> 01:19:32,479
Speaker 2: They are playing at a faster pace. They're still trying

1501
01:19:32,479 --> 01:19:34,280
Speaker 2: to figure out who can do it. If they turn

1502
01:19:34,280 --> 01:19:37,200
Speaker 2: it over twenty four times against Louisville, they're gonna get destroyed.

1503
01:19:38,080 --> 01:19:40,479
Speaker 2: Uh And I don't know that defensively they're ready for

1504
01:19:40,560 --> 01:19:45,000
Speaker 2: m Mi cal Brown. But say what you want about

1505
01:19:45,040 --> 01:19:49,240
Speaker 2: the track record that Wes Miller's teams at UC have had.

1506
01:19:49,439 --> 01:19:53,519
Speaker 2: They have typically not been high turnover teams. I think

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Speaker 2: you saw from experienced players the other night some relatively

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01:19:57,520 --> 01:20:01,600
Speaker 2: uncharacteristic turnovers. I was troubling that a lot of the

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01:20:01,640 --> 01:20:04,040
Speaker 2: turnovers came without any sort of ball pressure.

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Speaker 1: But I do think a lot of the stuff was rectified.

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01:20:07,280 --> 01:20:09,920
Speaker 2: I think they were trying to make higher degree of

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01:20:09,960 --> 01:20:14,519
Speaker 2: difficulty passes than were necessary. Sometimes it's okay to throw

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01:20:14,560 --> 01:20:16,439
Speaker 2: the ball to the guy who's six feet away from

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01:20:16,520 --> 01:20:19,200
Speaker 2: you instead of the guy who's, you know, fifteen feet

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01:20:19,240 --> 01:20:20,760
Speaker 2: or twenty feet away from you. And it felt like

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01:20:20,800 --> 01:20:23,639
Speaker 2: the other night they were collectively a little bit too

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01:20:23,680 --> 01:20:27,880
Speaker 2: focused on doing that. We'll see they must play better.

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Speaker 2: I am looking forward to that game because you see

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01:20:31,360 --> 01:20:40,200
Speaker 2: in Louisville should play on a regular basis. But if

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01:20:40,240 --> 01:20:43,759
Speaker 2: you looked at each team's respective performance, Louisville was not perfect.

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01:20:44,160 --> 01:20:48,599
Speaker 1: And Pat Kelsey said as much after the game. Louisville

1522
01:20:48,640 --> 01:20:50,600
Speaker 1: feels better, Louisville.

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01:20:50,120 --> 01:20:54,280
Speaker 2: Feels further along, and Merkatt's got to stop turning the

1524
01:20:54,280 --> 01:20:57,760
Speaker 2: ball over. Jay Morrison, who has a very good rad

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01:20:57,800 --> 01:21:00,000
Speaker 2: on Andrey Yoshavas today, is going to join us next.

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Speaker 8: This is Football Nady, brought to you in part by

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Speaker 8: Postman Law and Vice Skyline Chile on ESPN fifteen thirty,

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Speaker 8: the official home of the Cincinnati Bengals.

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Speaker 1: Thursdays.

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01:21:14,640 --> 01:21:17,439
Speaker 2: We spend a few minutes chatting with our friend from

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Speaker 2: Bengals Talk dot com, where he is a good piece

1532
01:21:20,680 --> 01:21:24,439
Speaker 2: on Andre Yoshimas of today, Jay Morrison, who's on Twitter

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Speaker 2: at buy Jay.

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01:21:25,400 --> 01:21:26,720
Speaker 1: Morrison, Hi, j.

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Speaker 7: Hey Moe.

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01:21:29,520 --> 01:21:32,120
Speaker 1: How much did Joe Flacco throw today?

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01:21:34,920 --> 01:21:38,599
Speaker 3: He was listed as limited, so it wasn't a lot.

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01:21:39,080 --> 01:21:42,120
Speaker 3: You don't really get a sense of how much exactly

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01:21:42,200 --> 01:21:46,280
Speaker 3: if he does anything beyond the full amount it's listed

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01:21:46,320 --> 01:21:48,080
Speaker 3: as limited, so it could have been ninety percent, it

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01:21:48,080 --> 01:21:49,160
Speaker 3: could have been fifty percent.

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Speaker 1: But the plan is.

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01:21:51,240 --> 01:21:53,000
Speaker 3: The plan was for him to go limited today, just

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01:21:53,000 --> 01:21:55,679
Speaker 3: like he did last week. He'll probably do very little

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01:21:55,680 --> 01:21:58,439
Speaker 3: on the walkthrough on Friday, and he will walk out

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01:21:58,479 --> 01:22:00,000
Speaker 3: on the field as the starter on Sunday.

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01:22:00,160 --> 01:22:02,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll walk out on the field. I just I

1548
01:22:02,720 --> 01:22:05,080
Speaker 2: don't know. He has been awesome. He should be the

1549
01:22:05,080 --> 01:22:07,720
Speaker 2: best story in the NFL right now. In many respects,

1550
01:22:07,720 --> 01:22:11,280
Speaker 2: he is. But I've got an older quarterback with a

1551
01:22:11,400 --> 01:22:15,879
Speaker 2: springed ac joint in his shoulder. The weather is getting colder.

1552
01:22:16,040 --> 01:22:19,599
Speaker 2: I just I'm waiting for him to turn into a pumpkin.

1553
01:22:19,720 --> 01:22:20,519
Speaker 2: Is that unfair?

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01:22:22,520 --> 01:22:24,680
Speaker 3: No, I don't think it's unfair, And I think it's

1555
01:22:24,720 --> 01:22:28,439
Speaker 3: important to remember that for the first time since his

1556
01:22:28,479 --> 01:22:31,080
Speaker 3: first game here, he's not playing at Pey Course Stadium.

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01:22:31,439 --> 01:22:34,000
Speaker 3: It's gonna be a loud visiting crowd or a loud

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01:22:34,640 --> 01:22:38,320
Speaker 3: crowd in Pittsburgh. That defensive line of the Steelers is

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01:22:38,439 --> 01:22:39,080
Speaker 3: really good.

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01:22:39,120 --> 01:22:40,480
Speaker 1: They are going to be getting.

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01:22:40,200 --> 01:22:42,840
Speaker 3: Off the snap that the Bengals gonna go on the

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01:22:42,880 --> 01:22:45,920
Speaker 3: silent count, and it's gonna be a real test that

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01:22:46,120 --> 01:22:50,120
Speaker 3: the offensive line's played really well since since Blacko got here,

1564
01:22:50,680 --> 01:22:53,880
Speaker 3: But this is gonna be a much different test with

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01:22:54,280 --> 01:22:58,599
Speaker 3: a loud crowd. Act to sure a really really good

1566
01:22:58,640 --> 01:23:02,160
Speaker 3: defensive line obviously had by Cameron Hayward and TJ. Watt,

1567
01:23:02,439 --> 01:23:04,880
Speaker 3: this offensive line is going to have to keep him

1568
01:23:04,880 --> 01:23:08,680
Speaker 3: clean because one shot could be all it takes for

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01:23:09,120 --> 01:23:10,519
Speaker 3: Jake Browning to be forced into the game.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I don't want to see that at all.

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01:23:12,000 --> 01:23:14,680
Speaker 2: You talked about though, the offensive line performing well, and

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01:23:14,760 --> 01:23:18,519
Speaker 2: Joe Flacco has made them look good. But if there's

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01:23:18,600 --> 01:23:21,240
Speaker 2: one thing I am clinging to and I can apply

1574
01:23:21,360 --> 01:23:24,000
Speaker 2: this to next year, maybe as the next eight weeks

1575
01:23:24,000 --> 01:23:28,160
Speaker 2: move forward, this offensive line is playing okay, and so

1576
01:23:28,320 --> 01:23:29,960
Speaker 2: much so that you start to look at some of

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01:23:29,960 --> 01:23:31,960
Speaker 2: the younger guys on it and start to feel good

1578
01:23:31,960 --> 01:23:34,519
Speaker 2: about the future of that position group.

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01:23:34,600 --> 01:23:39,000
Speaker 3: No, yeah, I mean exactly. You think about, look at

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01:23:39,000 --> 01:23:41,680
Speaker 3: what the defense looks like at linebacker because there's two

1581
01:23:41,760 --> 01:23:43,640
Speaker 3: rookies in there, and then compare that with what the

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01:23:43,640 --> 01:23:46,320
Speaker 3: offensive line looks like with two rookies in there.

1583
01:23:46,320 --> 01:23:47,240
Speaker 1: It's night and day.

1584
01:23:47,800 --> 01:23:51,080
Speaker 3: And Dylan Fairchild has really kind of, you know, afforded

1585
01:23:51,120 --> 01:23:53,920
Speaker 3: himself pretty well. I would say he's been physical, he

1586
01:23:54,000 --> 01:23:56,559
Speaker 3: really looks the part. He's not an off ro anything

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01:23:56,600 --> 01:23:59,080
Speaker 3: close to that yet, but for a rookie offensive lineman,

1588
01:23:59,680 --> 01:24:02,080
Speaker 3: he's on his own. And and Jalen Rivers has had

1589
01:24:02,120 --> 01:24:05,320
Speaker 3: his moments, but he's he's growing into that role too.

1590
01:24:05,360 --> 01:24:07,360
Speaker 3: And he you know, he played tackle last year. He's

1591
01:24:07,479 --> 01:24:09,679
Speaker 3: not only learning the NFL, he's learning a new position.

1592
01:24:09,760 --> 01:24:14,080
Speaker 3: And you know, Ted is solid. Orlando's been okay. He

1593
01:24:14,160 --> 01:24:16,320
Speaker 3: hasn't been great, but he's he's been serviceable for a

1594
01:24:16,400 --> 01:24:19,040
Speaker 3: left tackle, and a Marius Mems continues to improve. So

1595
01:24:19,720 --> 01:24:22,360
Speaker 3: I think when you went into this year, if you

1596
01:24:22,400 --> 01:24:24,120
Speaker 3: look at the way this offensive line has played the

1597
01:24:24,200 --> 01:24:26,920
Speaker 3: last couple of years, everybody would last couple of weeks,

1598
01:24:26,960 --> 01:24:28,200
Speaker 3: everybody would have signed up for.

1599
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Speaker 2: That, no question about that. Jay Morrison is with US

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Speaker 2: Bengals Talk dot com. Is it time to consider Shamar

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01:24:33,400 --> 01:24:37,480
Speaker 2: Stewart's rookie season a wash?

1602
01:24:37,600 --> 01:24:37,840
Speaker 6: No?

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01:24:37,880 --> 01:24:41,360
Speaker 3: I don't think so. I mean, it's it's unfortunate. Everything

1604
01:24:41,400 --> 01:24:44,839
Speaker 3: that's happened so far has been unfortunate, but you can

1605
01:24:45,120 --> 01:24:49,400
Speaker 3: you you still have eight games left and I don't

1606
01:24:49,439 --> 01:24:50,960
Speaker 3: know how long he's going to be out. He's week

1607
01:24:51,000 --> 01:24:53,840
Speaker 3: to week, But you know, Joe Burrow says it all

1608
01:24:53,880 --> 01:24:57,439
Speaker 3: the time. Every rep is a valuable rep. So if

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01:24:57,479 --> 01:24:59,640
Speaker 3: he can get back and get healthy, whether they're in

1610
01:24:59,720 --> 01:25:01,880
Speaker 3: the r or not, to have that guy out there

1611
01:25:02,520 --> 01:25:05,680
Speaker 3: learning the position and learning to be physical and this

1612
01:25:05,720 --> 01:25:08,360
Speaker 3: will not get put on his back way on the

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01:25:08,400 --> 01:25:09,719
Speaker 3: other side of the defensive line.

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01:25:10,800 --> 01:25:13,280
Speaker 11: It's it's not lost.

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01:25:13,960 --> 01:25:17,200
Speaker 3: It's not what anybody wanted, what anybody hoped for. But

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01:25:18,040 --> 01:25:20,240
Speaker 3: I don't think you should just write it off. There's

1617
01:25:20,280 --> 01:25:22,200
Speaker 3: a real chance that he can make some growth in

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01:25:22,240 --> 01:25:23,400
Speaker 3: the final two months of the season.

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01:25:23,600 --> 01:25:28,639
Speaker 2: Is it time to consider Miles Murphy's Bengals career awash?

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01:25:28,720 --> 01:25:32,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's been bad. I mean they just keep saying

1621
01:25:32,880 --> 01:25:34,400
Speaker 3: it over and over. You know, it's time for him

1622
01:25:34,400 --> 01:25:35,960
Speaker 3: to get going. It's time for him to get going,

1623
01:25:36,000 --> 01:25:39,400
Speaker 3: and we just don't see it. And the opportunities are there.

1624
01:25:39,479 --> 01:25:42,120
Speaker 3: This offense has been playing well and giving the team

1625
01:25:42,200 --> 01:25:44,479
Speaker 3: leads in the fourth quarter, which is exactly what you

1626
01:25:44,520 --> 01:25:46,400
Speaker 3: want for a young pass rusher to just be able

1627
01:25:46,400 --> 01:25:49,840
Speaker 3: to tee off and go after the quarterback and you

1628
01:25:49,880 --> 01:25:52,800
Speaker 3: know he's not there, and you know, all of a sudden,

1629
01:25:52,800 --> 01:25:56,840
Speaker 3: here comes Cedric Johnson and and he's he's given them

1630
01:25:56,840 --> 01:25:58,760
Speaker 3: a little de juice in the pass rush, and it's

1631
01:25:59,000 --> 01:26:01,679
Speaker 3: he played sparingly last week because he had had one

1632
01:26:02,120 --> 01:26:06,160
Speaker 3: padded practice since last year coming off the injury. I

1633
01:26:06,160 --> 01:26:07,680
Speaker 3: think we're going to see a little bit more of him,

1634
01:26:07,720 --> 01:26:11,600
Speaker 3: and if he continues to outplay Miles Murphy, then I

1635
01:26:11,600 --> 01:26:12,960
Speaker 3: don't know if they cut ties with him as a

1636
01:26:12,960 --> 01:26:15,559
Speaker 3: first round pick, but he certainly can move further back

1637
01:26:15,640 --> 01:26:16,280
Speaker 3: on the depth check.

1638
01:26:16,439 --> 01:26:19,160
Speaker 2: How many players could I ask about their Bengals career

1639
01:26:19,280 --> 01:26:21,719
Speaker 2: being a wash before you got tired of the question.

1640
01:26:24,680 --> 01:26:28,200
Speaker 3: We're almost there, maybe you want more, I will.

1641
01:26:28,200 --> 01:26:31,160
Speaker 1: I will spare both of us. Jay, thank you as always.

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01:26:31,640 --> 01:26:34,040
Speaker 2: All right, thanks Bob, that's our guy, Jay Morrison read

1643
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Speaker 2: them Bengals Talk dot Com on Twitter at by Jay Morrison.

1644
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Speaker 2: Bengals and Steelers at one o'clock on Sunday, you could

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Speaker 1: You got me.

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Speaker 2: It's gonna be awesome. Sunday, one o'clock. Bengals Steelers. We

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01:27:07,320 --> 01:27:09,400
Speaker 2: watched Bengal Steelers the game there last year and the

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01:27:09,400 --> 01:27:13,479
Speaker 2: Bengals won, So they've won back to back games against Pittsburgh,

1654
01:27:13,600 --> 01:27:16,080
Speaker 2: have a two game winning streak. Steelers fans love to

1655
01:27:16,080 --> 01:27:20,360
Speaker 2: act like there's a Steelers a buddy. Mike Tumblin at

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01:27:20,360 --> 01:27:22,800
Speaker 2: won a game since Barack Obama was president. All right,

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Speaker 2: So Bengals Steelers on Sunday. One team that's brand is

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01:27:27,160 --> 01:27:30,120
Speaker 2: bigger than the actual team itself, and another team that's

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Speaker 2: gonna give up probably fifty points on Sunday. It's gonna

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Speaker 2: be a blast. Come to smoke Justice and watch the

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Speaker 2: game with me. Twenty nine minutes after five o'clock, All

1662
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Speaker 2: eyes on Joe Burrow. What should we be watching for

1663
01:27:44,880 --> 01:27:48,360
Speaker 2: from a medical perspective? Well, we're gonna chat with doctor

1664
01:27:48,439 --> 01:27:51,080
Speaker 2: Nick Gates from Orthos Cincy about that very topic.

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Speaker 1: Next. On ESPN fifteen.

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Speaker 2: Trey Hendrickson again knows, Shamar Stewart again Limited go for

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Speaker 2: Joe Flacco, Limited for Joe Burrow Bengals Steelers Sunday at

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Speaker 2: one Live on ESPN fifteen thirty. There's a game tonight

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Speaker 2: Patriots and Jets. You can listen to that masterpiece on

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Speaker 2: Fox Sports thirteen sixty. Rats have hired Oscar Mareen to

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Speaker 2: be the team's new bullpen coach.

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Speaker 1: He comes to Cincinnati.

1681
01:28:43,600 --> 01:28:46,600
Speaker 2: Eve was with the Pirates, and Major League Soccer is

1682
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Speaker 2: altering its scheduled to align with all the other leagues

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Speaker 2: around the globe.

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Speaker 1: The twenty twenty seven twenty.

1685
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Speaker 2: Eight season will begin this and basically what will happen

1686
01:28:56,720 --> 01:28:59,519
Speaker 2: is they'll play starting in July, will take a break

1687
01:28:59,520 --> 01:29:01,880
Speaker 2: off for a the winter, they'll come back and they'll

1688
01:29:01,880 --> 01:29:04,200
Speaker 2: play in the spring. Decision day will be in April.

1689
01:29:04,240 --> 01:29:07,160
Speaker 2: The MLS Cup playoffs will be in May. Right now,

1690
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Speaker 2: the MLS Cup Playoffs, sorry November. FC Cincinnati hosts Miami

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Speaker 2: in ten days and we do this every week. We

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Speaker 2: talk injuries with one of the many experts from Ortho

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Speaker 2: Sincy orthopedics and sports medicine. The great thing about Ortho

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Speaker 2: That's orthos ci Ncy dot com. Doctor Nick Gates from

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Speaker 2: Orthosincy is with us. So Joe Burrow is back and

1700
01:29:45,200 --> 01:29:48,120
Speaker 2: he's practicing. I have questions. Let's begin with the basics,

1701
01:29:49,120 --> 01:29:52,080
Speaker 2: because it's been eight weeks. The injury he is coming

1702
01:29:52,160 --> 01:29:53,000
Speaker 2: back from itself.

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01:29:53,040 --> 01:29:53,519
Speaker 3: What was it?

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Speaker 12: So, injury is about eight weeks ago. Surgery is about

1705
01:29:58,000 --> 01:30:03,440
Speaker 12: seven and a half weeks ago. The injury is analogous

1706
01:30:03,880 --> 01:30:07,600
Speaker 12: to a near complete dislocation of your knee, but instead

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01:30:07,840 --> 01:30:10,840
Speaker 12: it's a near complete dislocation of the joint at the

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01:30:10,840 --> 01:30:12,160
Speaker 12: base of your big toe.

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01:30:12,600 --> 01:30:13,200
Speaker 7: So if you think of a.

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01:30:13,200 --> 01:30:15,720
Speaker 12: Knee injury, everybody kind of knows more about that. Tear

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01:30:15,760 --> 01:30:18,400
Speaker 12: an ACL plus an MCL. You've torn two of the

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01:30:18,439 --> 01:30:21,800
Speaker 12: ligaments to your knees. Kind of very unstable when you

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01:30:21,800 --> 01:30:24,519
Speaker 12: tear these ligaments in your big toe joint. The big

1714
01:30:24,560 --> 01:30:27,360
Speaker 12: toe joint is very unstable and will not stay in place.

1715
01:30:28,560 --> 01:30:31,639
Speaker 12: So that's kind of the severity. So I would put

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01:30:31,640 --> 01:30:36,519
Speaker 12: the severia up as a multiple ligament injury to the knee. Now,

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01:30:36,600 --> 01:30:39,040
Speaker 12: what happens down the road and how that recurs in

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01:30:39,080 --> 01:30:40,759
Speaker 12: what you need out of your toe is a little

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01:30:40,760 --> 01:30:42,840
Speaker 12: bit different. That's the severity of it.

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Speaker 2: Let's talk about the timeline that E is on a

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Speaker 2: path for, and again this could change based on a

1722
01:30:49,560 --> 01:30:52,479
Speaker 2: number of different variables. But we originally heard, you know what,

1723
01:30:52,560 --> 01:30:56,719
Speaker 2: best case mid December. Now we're talking about late November.

1724
01:30:56,800 --> 01:30:59,560
Speaker 2: So based on your experience with this injury, how surprising

1725
01:30:59,640 --> 01:30:59,880
Speaker 2: is this?

1726
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Speaker 12: I don't think it's terribly surprising. I think a lot

1727
01:31:04,080 --> 01:31:06,120
Speaker 12: of it's not a lot of it. Some of it's

1728
01:31:06,160 --> 01:31:08,559
Speaker 12: coming out of some of the questions that the press

1729
01:31:08,600 --> 01:31:12,479
Speaker 12: asked him about timeline. He's seven and a half weeks,

1730
01:31:13,200 --> 01:31:14,720
Speaker 12: just getting out of his boot, starting to throw a

1731
01:31:14,760 --> 01:31:18,120
Speaker 12: football with a shoe on. So while he is quote

1732
01:31:18,200 --> 01:31:22,599
Speaker 12: unquote practicing, he's just tossing ball, tossing footballs this week

1733
01:31:23,560 --> 01:31:26,439
Speaker 12: without doing eleven toll eleven drills at this point. So

1734
01:31:26,479 --> 01:31:30,120
Speaker 12: he's definitely up a little bit ahead of schedule, but

1735
01:31:30,400 --> 01:31:32,760
Speaker 12: in three weeks he's going to be out. He's done

1736
01:31:32,800 --> 01:31:36,479
Speaker 12: this three week practice window, so that puts him at

1737
01:31:36,560 --> 01:31:39,639
Speaker 12: ten and a half weeks at his latest point of

1738
01:31:40,600 --> 01:31:43,880
Speaker 12: being on an active roster. So he's definitely he's on time,

1739
01:31:44,280 --> 01:31:47,479
Speaker 12: if not early, for sure. That's a great sign.

1740
01:31:48,439 --> 01:31:51,160
Speaker 2: When he is doing what he's doing, throwing balls, that

1741
01:31:51,280 --> 01:31:53,800
Speaker 2: sort of stuff. If you're monitoring him, what sort of

1742
01:31:53,800 --> 01:31:54,720
Speaker 2: things are you looking for?

1743
01:31:56,360 --> 01:31:58,719
Speaker 12: I think you're watching how he walks. I just watched

1744
01:31:58,720 --> 01:32:00,840
Speaker 12: a video this morning of him just walking out of

1745
01:32:00,920 --> 01:32:02,960
Speaker 12: locker room onto the field with a pair of shoes on.

1746
01:32:04,000 --> 01:32:08,920
Speaker 12: You're watching how he walks. First, you can't run without limping.

1747
01:32:08,960 --> 01:32:11,920
Speaker 12: If you can't walk without limping, they're gonna watch how

1748
01:32:11,960 --> 01:32:16,000
Speaker 12: he plants. Right now, he's throwing if mener standing is

1749
01:32:16,040 --> 01:32:20,559
Speaker 12: his lead foot so kind of a good thing. He

1750
01:32:20,600 --> 01:32:23,840
Speaker 12: doesn't have to bend the toe as much. And you're

1751
01:32:23,880 --> 01:32:27,200
Speaker 12: walking for any head, you're looking for any hesitation. I

1752
01:32:27,240 --> 01:32:30,519
Speaker 12: think we talked about this on a previous conversation about pain.

1753
01:32:30,760 --> 01:32:33,519
Speaker 12: It's hard to do things when things hurt too much,

1754
01:32:34,560 --> 01:32:36,559
Speaker 12: and you're making sure the pain he's not in so

1755
01:32:36,640 --> 01:32:39,360
Speaker 12: much pain that it's modifying how he throws the football

1756
01:32:39,680 --> 01:32:41,360
Speaker 12: or how he walks, and then the next step will

1757
01:32:41,400 --> 01:32:42,320
Speaker 12: be how he jogs.

1758
01:32:42,720 --> 01:32:46,800
Speaker 2: What are some of the possible setbacks that we hopefully avoid.

1759
01:32:46,439 --> 01:32:54,080
Speaker 12: Here, I think you're you're really bad. Setback is repeat injury,

1760
01:32:54,560 --> 01:32:57,000
Speaker 12: and I'll make that a little bit different than just

1761
01:32:57,160 --> 01:33:00,800
Speaker 12: persistent pain. I think he's gonna have a sore toe

1762
01:33:00,880 --> 01:33:04,200
Speaker 12: while he's doing these things, and that's okay. But if

1763
01:33:04,240 --> 01:33:08,760
Speaker 12: he's having increasing amounts of pain as he accelerates his activities,

1764
01:33:09,160 --> 01:33:11,559
Speaker 12: that the setback. He's got to have pain management.

1765
01:33:11,800 --> 01:33:12,320
Speaker 1: It's got to be.

1766
01:33:12,360 --> 01:33:15,120
Speaker 12: Healed and comfortable enough to do that. I think a

1767
01:33:15,240 --> 01:33:18,840
Speaker 12: bigger issue that no one wants to think about is

1768
01:33:18,960 --> 01:33:23,120
Speaker 12: repeat injury. Where he's feeling pretty good, he goes through

1769
01:33:23,120 --> 01:33:26,519
Speaker 12: his recovery and he hits one of these timelines, whether

1770
01:33:26,560 --> 01:33:31,840
Speaker 12: it's early December or this possibility that people are bringing

1771
01:33:31,920 --> 01:33:36,959
Speaker 12: up about a Thanksgiving Day play, a sudden repeat significant

1772
01:33:36,960 --> 01:33:37,879
Speaker 12: injury to the toe.

1773
01:33:38,080 --> 01:33:40,480
Speaker 1: Now, as you know, it's not a terribly.

1774
01:33:40,120 --> 01:33:43,879
Speaker 12: Common injury, right, but bad things happen, So a repeat,

1775
01:33:44,080 --> 01:33:48,160
Speaker 12: really bad hard bend to that toe is his biggest setback.

1776
01:33:49,200 --> 01:33:52,000
Speaker 12: Those are the two things I think that could persistent

1777
01:33:52,040 --> 01:33:53,760
Speaker 12: pain flows him down, but I don't think it's a

1778
01:33:53,760 --> 01:33:57,320
Speaker 12: long term issue. A repeat sudden injury is the biggest risk.

1779
01:33:57,760 --> 01:33:59,920
Speaker 2: This might be kind of a stupid question, but are

1780
01:34:00,120 --> 01:34:03,240
Speaker 2: there is there an apparatus you could put in his shoe?

1781
01:34:03,320 --> 01:34:05,400
Speaker 2: Is there a special design of a shoe that you

1782
01:34:05,479 --> 01:34:09,679
Speaker 2: could sort of, I don't know, used to help mitigate

1783
01:34:09,880 --> 01:34:12,680
Speaker 2: the potential risks of a recurrence.

1784
01:34:12,160 --> 01:34:14,840
Speaker 1: Of the injury one hundred percent.

1785
01:34:15,160 --> 01:34:19,040
Speaker 12: We've touched on this in previous conversations. There is an

1786
01:34:19,120 --> 01:34:24,880
Speaker 12: orthotic device that can be fashioned to fit inside of

1787
01:34:25,000 --> 01:34:27,439
Speaker 12: a typical shoe and even inside of a cleat, a

1788
01:34:27,520 --> 01:34:33,080
Speaker 12: football cleat that protects the toe from It minimizes motion

1789
01:34:33,720 --> 01:34:36,800
Speaker 12: and it minimizes stress. If there was an injury to

1790
01:34:36,840 --> 01:34:39,120
Speaker 12: that area. If he comes down on that toe in

1791
01:34:39,160 --> 01:34:41,280
Speaker 12: a similar fashion that he did with the original injury,

1792
01:34:41,280 --> 01:34:45,360
Speaker 12: and the toe goes through a significant upward force, that

1793
01:34:45,479 --> 01:34:49,880
Speaker 12: device inside the shoe minimizes that force. Very similar to

1794
01:34:49,920 --> 01:34:52,320
Speaker 12: if you go back to play football after a knee

1795
01:34:52,320 --> 01:34:54,600
Speaker 12: injury with a knee brace. The knee brace is going

1796
01:34:54,680 --> 01:34:58,679
Speaker 12: to minimize the amount of force that's transmitted through those

1797
01:34:58,720 --> 01:35:03,200
Speaker 12: recently repaired ligaments. The great news about the toe is

1798
01:35:04,600 --> 01:35:06,640
Speaker 12: the it's really an up You can protect it from

1799
01:35:06,680 --> 01:35:09,800
Speaker 12: an upward stress pretty well. The big toe is not

1800
01:35:10,320 --> 01:35:14,040
Speaker 12: suspect to side to side stress, and athlete off football

1801
01:35:14,040 --> 01:35:17,200
Speaker 12: field their knee tremendous risk of side to side impact

1802
01:35:17,560 --> 01:35:19,120
Speaker 12: not so much in the toe. So you can do

1803
01:35:19,120 --> 01:35:22,040
Speaker 12: a pretty good job of protecting it with this device

1804
01:35:22,080 --> 01:35:24,000
Speaker 12: inside the shoe. And it's already been mentioned in a

1805
01:35:24,040 --> 01:35:27,000
Speaker 12: couple of reports, so I'm sure they're doing that, hope.

1806
01:35:27,040 --> 01:35:29,360
Speaker 2: So that's our guy, doctor Nick Gates. Doctor Gates, we

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Speaker 2: appreciate the time Ortho Sincy. I say it every week

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Speaker 2: because I believe it. The great thing about Ortho Sincy

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Speaker 2: is they have specialists and locations all over the Tri State,

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Speaker 2: including walk in orthopedic urgent.

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Speaker 1: Care weekdays nine a m.

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Speaker 2: To nine pm and on Saturdays nine am to one

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Speaker 2: pm at both Edgewood and Anderson. It's easy because you

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Speaker 2: never need an appointment and it is most definitely cheaper

1815
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Speaker 2: than going to an er. Whenever you have an urgent

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Speaker 2: orthopedic injury, go to Orthosinc. Dot com. That's Ortho ci

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Speaker 2: and dot com. It was about this time a year

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Speaker 2: ago that the folks at Orthos since he fixed my

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Speaker 2: neck doctor Angel Velasquez, and it was about two years

1820
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Speaker 2: ago at this time that they helped my daughter's foot

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Speaker 2: and she broke her foot at Recess Orthosinc. Dot com.

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Speaker 2: This is ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station six. This

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Speaker 2: is the butt Light five o'clock Happy Hour on ESPN

1825
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Speaker 2: fifteen thirty Moegor, thank you so much for listening. Tomorrow

1826
01:36:31,400 --> 01:36:35,040
Speaker 2: on the show we Don't have One, Bengals pep Rally

1827
01:36:35,080 --> 01:36:37,240
Speaker 2: will be on in our place from three to six

1828
01:36:38,080 --> 01:36:40,720
Speaker 2: excuse me, starring Dan Horden Dave Lapham. But make sure

1829
01:36:40,800 --> 01:36:44,439
Speaker 2: you do catch Tony Pike's Friday Football Frenzy from noon

1830
01:36:44,479 --> 01:36:48,000
Speaker 2: to three, a show that in the past has included

1831
01:36:48,120 --> 01:36:51,680
Speaker 2: Locks of the Night. We're still we're still waiting for

1832
01:36:51,720 --> 01:36:54,200
Speaker 2: someone to save Locks of the Night, so I won't

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01:36:54,200 --> 01:36:57,000
Speaker 2: be contributing to that. Nonetheless, make sure you're therefore from

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01:36:57,040 --> 01:36:59,679
Speaker 2: noon to three tomorrow, and if you're looking for something

1835
01:36:59,720 --> 01:37:02,400
Speaker 2: to do, will be at bell Terra Park for the

1836
01:37:02,400 --> 01:37:05,040
Speaker 2: o Thursday night football game. I got Johnny Bench signed baseball.

1837
01:37:05,040 --> 01:37:07,400
Speaker 2: I got ac DC tickets. I got a Cincy shirt

1838
01:37:07,439 --> 01:37:12,479
Speaker 2: skift card. I got Trans Siberian Orchestra tickets. I'm loaded

1839
01:37:12,520 --> 01:37:16,959
Speaker 2: for Bear and we'll be there tonight, Loaded for Bearrett

1840
01:37:17,040 --> 01:37:22,360
Speaker 2: to bell Tarra Park inside the FanDuel Sportsbook. Excuse me,

1841
01:37:22,439 --> 01:37:25,120
Speaker 2: we are looking forward to that. Don't forget while we're

1842
01:37:25,120 --> 01:37:28,360
Speaker 2: plugging stuff. The next edition of the Tony Mo Football

1843
01:37:28,360 --> 01:37:31,280
Speaker 2: Show will be Monday at Twin Peaks in Florence. Returning

1844
01:37:31,320 --> 01:37:35,439
Speaker 2: to Florence for this week, obviously talking Bengals, Steelers and

1845
01:37:35,880 --> 01:37:39,599
Speaker 2: Uce and Arizona and so much more. This game on

1846
01:37:39,640 --> 01:37:43,920
Speaker 2: Saturday for the Bearcats concerns me. I think Arizona is

1847
01:37:45,640 --> 01:37:50,800
Speaker 2: a little bit better than people might realize. I think

1848
01:37:50,840 --> 01:37:53,920
Speaker 2: Texas Tech is the best team in this league. Then

1849
01:37:53,960 --> 01:37:57,560
Speaker 2: I think there's a collection of schools that include Cincinnati

1850
01:37:57,840 --> 01:38:04,120
Speaker 2: BYU Utah. I'm not putting Houston in there. Arizona would

1851
01:38:04,160 --> 01:38:07,479
Speaker 2: be maybe a rung below, but a quarterback who doesn't

1852
01:38:07,479 --> 01:38:11,000
Speaker 2: commit a lot of mistakes, a couple of good running backs.

1853
01:38:11,360 --> 01:38:13,800
Speaker 2: They have played against the three three five this year,

1854
01:38:15,600 --> 01:38:18,200
Speaker 2: you know, the time difference I think will be interesting.

1855
01:38:18,240 --> 01:38:22,160
Speaker 2: This is one of those and I personally like day games.

1856
01:38:23,080 --> 01:38:28,559
Speaker 2: I understand why people like Nip at Night. My guess

1857
01:38:28,720 --> 01:38:31,280
Speaker 2: is is if you see in by you both win,

1858
01:38:31,320 --> 01:38:34,080
Speaker 2: they'll play at night, we'll see. But if you're gonna

1859
01:38:34,080 --> 01:38:36,320
Speaker 2: play a noon game, And honestly I'd apply this to

1860
01:38:36,360 --> 01:38:40,000
Speaker 2: the BYU game as well well. Cool to have the

1861
01:38:40,320 --> 01:38:43,200
Speaker 2: rest of the time difference advantage against the team coming

1862
01:38:43,200 --> 01:38:45,680
Speaker 2: from the Mountain time zone, so that plays in the

1863
01:38:45,680 --> 01:38:50,759
Speaker 2: Cincinnati's hands. I'm really interested the BYU game, not the Bay.

1864
01:38:50,960 --> 01:38:56,400
Speaker 2: The Utah game could not have gone more poorly. Utah

1865
01:38:56,560 --> 01:38:59,720
Speaker 2: had a lot to do with that really creative, all

1866
01:39:00,680 --> 01:39:06,799
Speaker 2: good running game, terrific offensive line. I think we feared

1867
01:39:06,800 --> 01:39:09,960
Speaker 2: the Utes were going to run the ball effectively. Best

1868
01:39:10,000 --> 01:39:12,040
Speaker 2: team in the country at running the ball. That's not

1869
01:39:12,120 --> 01:39:15,880
Speaker 2: a service academy. They averaged two sixty seven on the

1870
01:39:15,880 --> 01:39:19,519
Speaker 2: ground coming in. They ran for two sixty seven against UC.

1871
01:39:20,960 --> 01:39:24,920
Speaker 2: The troubling part that night for me was, first of all,

1872
01:39:25,040 --> 01:39:30,240
Speaker 2: UC's defense got torched on second and long. More than anything, though,

1873
01:39:30,320 --> 01:39:33,080
Speaker 2: is what they couldn't do offensively. Brendan Sorosby early in

1874
01:39:33,120 --> 01:39:35,720
Speaker 2: the game, had a couple of passes knockdown at the

1875
01:39:35,760 --> 01:39:37,120
Speaker 2: line of scrimmage.

1876
01:39:38,479 --> 01:39:39,200
Speaker 1: And it I.

1877
01:39:39,120 --> 01:39:41,040
Speaker 2: Don't know if that got in his head. I don't

1878
01:39:41,040 --> 01:39:43,960
Speaker 2: know what From that point he just he never he

1879
01:39:44,080 --> 01:39:47,720
Speaker 2: never played well in that game. Joe Royer was a

1880
01:39:47,760 --> 01:39:51,400
Speaker 2: non factor for a second consecutive week. You would like

1881
01:39:51,479 --> 01:39:54,000
Speaker 2: for Evan Pryor to be healthy, but he gets nine

1882
01:39:54,000 --> 01:39:56,000
Speaker 2: to ten touches a game. It's not like he's a

1883
01:39:56,120 --> 01:39:58,760
Speaker 2: featured you know they'll feature him and give it to

1884
01:39:58,800 --> 01:40:02,719
Speaker 2: him twenty times. Not an irreplaceable part in my opinion,

1885
01:40:02,840 --> 01:40:06,000
Speaker 2: or at least I didn't think he was. The way

1886
01:40:06,160 --> 01:40:10,639
Speaker 2: UC's offense played, including the turnovers, and then you add

1887
01:40:10,680 --> 01:40:12,840
Speaker 2: to it, they gave up a punt return for a touchdown.

1888
01:40:14,000 --> 01:40:17,080
Speaker 2: Steven Russknak, the field goal kicker, missed his first kick

1889
01:40:17,120 --> 01:40:19,080
Speaker 2: of the season. Like it was just it was a

1890
01:40:19,080 --> 01:40:22,920
Speaker 2: lot of things that have become kind of not emblematic

1891
01:40:23,000 --> 01:40:26,080
Speaker 2: of what this year's team has been. So the other

1892
01:40:26,160 --> 01:40:28,479
Speaker 2: team does what you expected to do, and then you

1893
01:40:28,640 --> 01:40:31,400
Speaker 2: do a lot of things that are uncharacteristic for you.

1894
01:40:31,400 --> 01:40:33,080
Speaker 1: You're going to lose, and you're going.

1895
01:40:32,920 --> 01:40:38,320
Speaker 2: To lose decisively, and that's what happened against Utah. Arizona

1896
01:40:38,439 --> 01:40:41,719
Speaker 2: brings some problems to the table. What I'm more interested

1897
01:40:41,760 --> 01:40:46,439
Speaker 2: in than anything is does the way that you see

1898
01:40:46,479 --> 01:40:51,360
Speaker 2: played against Utah prove to be an outlier or do

1899
01:40:51,479 --> 01:40:53,280
Speaker 2: we see are occurrence of a lot of the things

1900
01:40:53,280 --> 01:40:56,400
Speaker 2: we saw against the you tonight, Tony and I talked

1901
01:40:56,400 --> 01:41:00,839
Speaker 2: about this a lot on air and off. Joe Royer

1902
01:41:01,200 --> 01:41:04,679
Speaker 2: is I think we all believe like a legitimate NFL

1903
01:41:04,760 --> 01:41:09,960
Speaker 2: caliber tight end. The long stretches where he is just

1904
01:41:10,200 --> 01:41:16,240
Speaker 2: not a factor offensively are mystifying. And maybe it's not

1905
01:41:16,439 --> 01:41:19,040
Speaker 2: all on Brendan Soresmi, and maybe it's not all on

1906
01:41:19,080 --> 01:41:21,800
Speaker 2: the offensive coaching staff. And by the way, for most

1907
01:41:21,840 --> 01:41:23,360
Speaker 2: of the year, this has been a really good offense

1908
01:41:23,400 --> 01:41:26,519
Speaker 2: with a really good quarterback. But in a game like

1909
01:41:26,520 --> 01:41:28,439
Speaker 2: the one against Utah, and I'll make it about the

1910
01:41:28,439 --> 01:41:31,479
Speaker 2: Nebraska game as well in late August, when you're looking

1911
01:41:31,560 --> 01:41:35,479
Speaker 2: for high percentage completions, that's the first guy I look at.

1912
01:41:37,320 --> 01:41:38,960
Speaker 1: And yet for a.

1913
01:41:39,040 --> 01:41:41,960
Speaker 2: Dude is talented for as much of the matchup problem

1914
01:41:42,000 --> 01:41:45,760
Speaker 2: as he can be, there are just these stretches where

1915
01:41:45,760 --> 01:41:48,880
Speaker 2: he's not a part of the offense at all.

1916
01:41:49,240 --> 01:41:50,920
Speaker 1: So really curious to see.

1917
01:41:51,880 --> 01:41:56,120
Speaker 2: Is Arizona the biggest opponent for UC on Saturday or

1918
01:41:56,160 --> 01:42:00,120
Speaker 2: are the Bearcats the biggest opponent for UC on Saturday.

1919
01:42:02,400 --> 01:42:06,920
Speaker 2: From a wagering perspective, I have never bet against UC

1920
01:42:07,080 --> 01:42:10,880
Speaker 2: in my life, I think I would otherwise though, be

1921
01:42:10,960 --> 01:42:15,600
Speaker 2: comfortable taking the points. I am reasonably comfortable taking the

1922
01:42:15,600 --> 01:42:18,120
Speaker 2: points with the Bengals on Sunday. I don't feel as

1923
01:42:18,160 --> 01:42:21,280
Speaker 2: confident as I did on Tuesday, because the more I

1924
01:42:21,280 --> 01:42:23,640
Speaker 2: think about it, the more you wonder, like, where's the

1925
01:42:23,680 --> 01:42:27,800
Speaker 2: defensive stop gonna come from? They've lost their last two

1926
01:42:27,840 --> 01:42:32,479
Speaker 2: and Joe Flacco has played otherworldly. I think Pittsburgh will

1927
01:42:32,520 --> 01:42:34,559
Speaker 2: have a little bit of an answer from what happened

1928
01:42:34,560 --> 01:42:36,840
Speaker 2: in the first game, where the Steelers just decided we're

1929
01:42:36,840 --> 01:42:40,040
Speaker 2: playing man and Jamar Chase and t Higgins just had

1930
01:42:40,080 --> 01:42:44,840
Speaker 2: awesome games. Where's the defensive stop gonna come from? Where's

1931
01:42:44,880 --> 01:42:48,840
Speaker 2: the defensive improvement gonna come from? And that, to me

1932
01:42:48,960 --> 01:42:51,519
Speaker 2: is the biggest question about the second half of the season.

1933
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Speaker 1: Yeah, Joe Burrow's gonna come back.

1934
01:42:54,320 --> 01:42:58,000
Speaker 2: Cool. Yeah, we're gonna wonder if Duke Tobin's gonna get

1935
01:42:58,040 --> 01:43:00,679
Speaker 2: fired at the end of the year and this defense

1936
01:43:00,720 --> 01:43:02,000
Speaker 2: improve anywhere.

1937
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Speaker 1: Like legitimately any they're bad at everything.

1938
01:43:05,760 --> 01:43:08,960
Speaker 2: There is no like nuance to it where it's like, well,

1939
01:43:09,000 --> 01:43:13,920
Speaker 2: you know, they're really good at this, and so they've

1940
01:43:13,920 --> 01:43:15,760
Speaker 2: got to figure out a way to mask the fact

1941
01:43:15,800 --> 01:43:18,719
Speaker 2: that they're bad at this over here, They're bad at everything.

1942
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Speaker 2: That cannot continue if you expect me to believe that

1943
01:43:25,120 --> 01:43:27,720
Speaker 2: Al Golden should be the guy next year. There has

1944
01:43:27,840 --> 01:43:30,960
Speaker 2: to be improvement from somewhere. By the way, they're not

1945
01:43:31,000 --> 01:43:33,240
Speaker 2: gonna give him a whole bunch of like high end

1946
01:43:33,240 --> 01:43:34,680
Speaker 2: free agents this offseason.

1947
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Speaker 1: He's gonna have to.

1948
01:43:35,640 --> 01:43:38,320
Speaker 2: Figure out a way to make do with younger players,

1949
01:43:38,400 --> 01:43:43,880
Speaker 2: unproven players, maybe players that other teams don't want. It's

1950
01:43:43,880 --> 01:43:46,680
Speaker 2: gotta find a way to make this defense better somewhere.

1951
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Speaker 2: Does that begin on Sunday? If so, I think they

1952
01:43:49,479 --> 01:43:52,639
Speaker 2: got a shot. This is not a stealers team that

1953
01:43:53,040 --> 01:43:59,000
Speaker 2: just overwhelms anybody in any capacity. But at the answer

1954
01:43:59,040 --> 01:44:01,000
Speaker 2: by the end of the season is no. Then now

1955
01:44:01,040 --> 01:44:02,960
Speaker 2: Golden ainate the guy, and you might not think he's

1956
01:44:02,960 --> 01:44:04,519
Speaker 2: the guy right now, and that's totally fair.

1957
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Speaker 1: We will see again. We're watching the game on Sunday

1958
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Speaker 1: at Smoke Justice. We hope you join us.

1959
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Speaker 2: We are done shows over my thanks to Drew wester

1960
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Speaker 2: Heidi for producing the show and being there for me

1961
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Speaker 2: as I've had no voice. Bengals pep rally in our

1962
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Speaker 2: place tomorrow we're back for the Tony and Mo Football

1963
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Speaker 2: Show at Twin Peaks and Florence Monday at three oh five.

1964
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Speaker 2: Thank you so much for listening, Have a great weekend,

1965
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Speaker 2: and have a great night. This is the official home

1966
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Speaker 2: of the Bengals. ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station,