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Speaker 2: John Sheeran will join us at one o'clock, covering the

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Speaker 2: Bengals from a Diaz Sports Kegan Nicholson at two o'clock

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Speaker 2: now and every Thursday ahead of the college basketball season,

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Speaker 2: he covers the Bearcats for Bearcat Journal dot Com, speaking

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Speaker 2: to the Bearcats their trainer from UC and Novacare, Bob

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Speaker 2: Manjean will join us this afternoon as well. Those are

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Speaker 2: your three guests, your talkbacks, and your phone calls five one, three, seven, four, nine,

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Speaker 2: fifteen thirty Austin and I will do a buy or

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Speaker 2: sell version of the Bye Weeks. We'll do that today.

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Speaker 2: Play some buy or sell. We'll talk a little. Xavier

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Speaker 2: Xavier in action tonight against Lemoyne Lemoyne. I don't know

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Speaker 2: much about Lemoyne. I don't know where Lemoinne is, but uh,

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Speaker 2: Xavier plays them at the centas center and Xavier is

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Speaker 2: a twenty two and a half point favorite in that game.

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Speaker 2: Did you see what Richard Patino did after their first

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Speaker 2: game against Maris the other night, Austin.

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Speaker 3: He posted his personal grades so on his social media.

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Speaker 2: So he went the day after and he posted thoughts

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Speaker 2: on last night student section A plus defense, C plus

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Speaker 2: fick in the first half, took our foot off the

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Speaker 2: gas in the second, turned them over offence D minus

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Speaker 2: I want to know? Will he continue these grading scales

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Speaker 3: It's a good question. I feel like he would. He

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Speaker 2: And I like that. He also interacts on social as well.

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Speaker 2: To that tweet, the Jerome Hunter fan club responded and said, coach,

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Speaker 2: my beer drinking was a C minus. I know I

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Speaker 2: need to do better. I know I can. I'll show

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Speaker 2: you on Thursday. He said, please do better Macuras Mafia.

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Speaker 2: I give myself a B plus. Was loud and proud

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Speaker 2: in the upper deck long season, and I can greatly improve,

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Speaker 2: which is why inn a wasn't warranted. Patino says, I

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Speaker 2: I just want to see if that continues, maybe after

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Speaker 4: But they're saying they're going to lose the leat Moyne.

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Speaker 2: No, they won't lose the lat Mooyne, but at some

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Speaker 2: point they'll lose a game. What does the tweet look

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Speaker 3: But I'm I'm not convinced that they will.

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Speaker 2: That they'll beat Lamoyn, or that they'll lose Wall.

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Speaker 3: Yet they'll lose a game, who's to say they don't

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Speaker 3: show this way, but you often make fun of Ohio

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Speaker 3: State football for their schedule. No, you do it quite frequently.

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Speaker 3: And I was having a conversation with Arn prior to

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Speaker 2: Sure.

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Speaker 3: Now we're up to December the fifth that we've passed,

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Speaker 3: So go up to December thirteenth. You played Georgia on

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Speaker 2: Well, that is on the road.

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Speaker 3: It's just not on the road. It's a neutral site.

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Speaker 3: You don't play a true road game until twenty twenty six,

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Speaker 2: but yes, a savior in Cincinnati. Logan Wilson said goodbye

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Speaker 4: I thought it was lovely.

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Speaker 2: Now it's a lot about six different paragraphs. He also

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Speaker 2: Austin went into great detail to thank in person a

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Speaker 2: of the fact that he did not mention at one

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Speaker 4: Hey, I think it's a little weird.

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Speaker 3: He mentions Anna Rumo, Golden, James Betcher, Mike Hodge former

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Speaker 2: Yep, doesn't mention mentioned the Browns family, Zach Taylor, every

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Speaker 2: It is when you go out of your way to

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Speaker 3: Not abnormal, though sure we have seen that in the

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Speaker 3: If I'm not mistaken. So there's something you make note of.

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Speaker 2: A very sad situation happening around Dallas. Cowboy defensive end

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Speaker 2: Marshawn Neland, just twenty four years old, the former second

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Speaker 3: Just really sad for a young player that certainly had

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Speaker 2: Last night, Austin, something happened in the sports world that

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Speaker 2: goals nine hundo for OV. Now here's what I respect.

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Speaker 2: Jordan Bennington. You know this name.

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Speaker 4: I don't know anything about this guy.

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Speaker 2: He's the goaltender last night for Saint Louis. OV scores

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Speaker 4: I did hear about this.

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Speaker 2: Bennington grabs the puck and just casually tries to tuck

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Speaker 3: Well, I have been given some new information that apparently

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Speaker 3: to put out these corny posts. They're not hiding from it.

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Speaker 3: They're making it pretty obvious and pretty corny, I'm sure

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Speaker 2: So, we were just giving information on theirs. The great

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Speaker 2: Tom Browning pitch for Leamoyne in.

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Speaker 3: College, No kidding, Yes, Okay, Tom Browning, all right, Tom

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Speaker 3: pitch for two years for Lamoine in Syracuse.

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Speaker 4: Legend.

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Speaker 2: Speaking of Red's legends, how about this? Announced earlier today

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Speaker 2: Those for the Red. Yes, Those players include Homer Bailey,

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Speaker 2: and Edinson Volcaz Nice. Those are the names of eight

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Speaker 3: I once won a giveaway from Mike Leak on Twitter.

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Speaker 4: Now you're and he gave it away to Wolvetchkin.

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Speaker 2: The pucks centered up here for Chick credit driving a

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Speaker 4: Nine one hundred guys, the Alexander, Oh that's dead.

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Speaker 2: Crazy crazy stuff, nine hundred career goals, absolutely insane. Congrats

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Speaker 3: And I'm sure Winschulers goes great with vodka, which I'm sure.

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Speaker 3: That was the call on the Washington Capitols Radio Network wjfk.

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Speaker 2: Okay, here's the thing. MLB free agency kicks off at

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Speaker 4: That kind of snuck up on us, didn't it.

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Speaker 2: We mentioned yesterday per bet online that the current leaders

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Speaker 2: Makes sense. Let's take a break here, let's come back Austin.

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Speaker 2: no Bear I'm sorry, no Bengals, no Bear cuts this weekend.

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Speaker 1: This is what Fie Sell pulled on since E three sixty.

448
00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:23,960
Speaker 4: I like that.

449
00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:26,960
Speaker 2: It is time to play buy or Sell. I didn't

450
00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:27,520
Speaker 2: even add hold.

451
00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:28,240
Speaker 4: Pay attention.

452
00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:30,800
Speaker 2: Well you got buy or sell. You don't get the hold?

453
00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:31,680
Speaker 2: I get the hold.

454
00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:32,600
Speaker 4: That the name of the game.

455
00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:36,040
Speaker 2: No, No, this is buy or sell. Uh, this is

456
00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:39,960
Speaker 2: buy or sell or hold. Ain't holding. That's a cop out.

457
00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:42,080
Speaker 2: I think I think holding is a cop out.

458
00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:43,679
Speaker 3: I'll play it again. Let me just see if I

459
00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:44,880
Speaker 3: heard it correctly.

460
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Speaker 1: It's time to play fine sell right.

461
00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:53,400
Speaker 2: Now, three sixty ESPN fifteen thirty at Sports Station. All right,

462
00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:56,760
Speaker 2: I'm gonna shoot down these ready, all right, buy or

463
00:24:56,840 --> 00:25:01,000
Speaker 2: sell or hold? You see playing in the Big twelve

464
00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:06,200
Speaker 2: title game football football? I'm selling that. Okay? Who they

465
00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:07,600
Speaker 2: losing to?

466
00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:08,120
Speaker 4: B Yu?

467
00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:13,720
Speaker 2: Okay? Name of the game now, for what it's worth,

468
00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:18,000
Speaker 2: BYU is a ten and a half point dog against

469
00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:20,480
Speaker 2: Texas Tech. This weekend. I find that to be a

470
00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:22,240
Speaker 2: lot of points. I think that says a lot more

471
00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:25,040
Speaker 2: about Texas Tech. I think Texas Tech is a train.

472
00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:27,520
Speaker 2: But you're going to sell that, Okay.

473
00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:29,080
Speaker 4: I am.

474
00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:32,560
Speaker 3: I'm excited about what I've seen from the Bearcats. I

475
00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:36,840
Speaker 3: need to see it against better competition, Okay, because they

476
00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:40,600
Speaker 3: got boat raced and urinated down their leg against Utah.

477
00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:46,160
Speaker 3: I'm buying the Bearcats to make I didn't say win

478
00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:48,639
Speaker 3: the Big Twelve title. I said they play in the

479
00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:52,879
Speaker 3: Big Twelve title game in Dallas. I think they beat Arizona.

480
00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:55,760
Speaker 3: I think the BYU game is going to be a

481
00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:57,240
Speaker 3: fantastic atmosphere.

482
00:25:57,280 --> 00:25:59,320
Speaker 2: It's going to be a dog fight. I think they

483
00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:01,400
Speaker 2: get out of that and then they go to TCU

484
00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:05,000
Speaker 2: and they take care of business. Buy or sell early

485
00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:08,879
Speaker 2: in the season, but we're forecasting here, and this is

486
00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:11,240
Speaker 2: the bare minimum for Wes Miller. Buy or sell, you

487
00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:16,600
Speaker 2: see will make the NCAA tournament. I'm gonna sell, Wow,

488
00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:19,240
Speaker 2: the same literally the same argument.

489
00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:21,760
Speaker 3: Okay, I believe it until I see it. Yeah, you

490
00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:25,399
Speaker 3: already have struggling big men, right or that position is

491
00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:28,280
Speaker 3: thin and a question mark and now an injury to

492
00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:32,440
Speaker 3: sincere Harris. Maybe Seanabive can be that guy that goes

493
00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:36,840
Speaker 3: and creates so much more offensively than anybody expected, and

494
00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:41,800
Speaker 3: the team is desperately needed. But the big man worries me.

495
00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:45,159
Speaker 3: The injuries worry me, and the lack of results in

496
00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:46,320
Speaker 3: the past worry me.

497
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Speaker 2: Well, for everything you outlined in the schedule, I think

498
00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:51,680
Speaker 2: they should get through the non conference schedule pretty good.

499
00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:54,280
Speaker 2: I think they should take care of business. I think

500
00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:55,720
Speaker 2: this team you want to talk about a shot in

501
00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:58,600
Speaker 2: the arm, Louisville coming to Heritage Bank Arena, Louisville's the

502
00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:00,520
Speaker 2: eleventh ranked team in the country. A way to win

503
00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:04,320
Speaker 2: that in this conversation, conversation changes completely. I like the

504
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:09,320
Speaker 2: roster they added a GM. I think this roster fits

505
00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:11,800
Speaker 2: better together. I think they're going to be a team

506
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:14,520
Speaker 2: that can score in bunches. Last year that the ball

507
00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:17,560
Speaker 2: just got stagnant way too many times. I will buy

508
00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:22,399
Speaker 2: the Bearcats to make the NCAA Tournament. The Xavier Musketeers Austin.

509
00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:24,600
Speaker 2: We put out the bat signal a couple of weeks ago,

510
00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:28,920
Speaker 2: and we wanted Xavier fans to tell us, what's your

511
00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:33,320
Speaker 2: makeup of this season? Where do you put your expectations

512
00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:37,359
Speaker 2: and for many it was five hundred b five hundred

513
00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:39,280
Speaker 2: and the Big East and that's a success. So I

514
00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:42,200
Speaker 2: ask you buy or sell. Xavier will finish the Big

515
00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:46,760
Speaker 2: East at five hundred. I'm going to sell that as well. Okay,

516
00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:48,680
Speaker 2: well you're not buying. You got a lot of money left.

517
00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:50,120
Speaker 2: You're not buying. You're like the Reds right now?

518
00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:51,160
Speaker 4: What you mean?

519
00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:52,240
Speaker 2: But you're selling everything?

520
00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:52,679
Speaker 4: Yeah?

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00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:55,119
Speaker 3: Yeah, that means I can buy big later on. You

522
00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:56,920
Speaker 3: said I got ten of these then, so you're waiting

523
00:27:56,920 --> 00:28:01,800
Speaker 3: to get this number three? Yeah, I mean, I mean expectations

524
00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:05,000
Speaker 3: are very low. I didn't like what I saw in

525
00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:07,280
Speaker 3: the second half against Marist.

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00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:08,680
Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I don't know anything about Richard Patino. I don't know

528
00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:13,679
Speaker 3: much about these players. I don't know what this is

529
00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:15,600
Speaker 3: going to look like. It would be foolish for me

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00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:15,960
Speaker 3: to buy.

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Speaker 2: I think that's the biggest thing right now is you

532
00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:20,639
Speaker 2: just don't know about it. Yeah, you don't know about

533
00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:23,560
Speaker 2: the players. You've had one opportunity to look, and let's

534
00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:25,840
Speaker 2: call it what it is. They failed in that first opportunity.

535
00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:27,520
Speaker 2: They had to go to the ropes against Marit to

536
00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:30,720
Speaker 2: get a win. Now, will this team improve? He should

537
00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:34,000
Speaker 2: go Absolutely, they don't have a ton of opportunities for

538
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:37,120
Speaker 2: a major non conference when they go to Iowa. Now

539
00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:39,320
Speaker 2: me saying this, they'll beat Cincinnati this year at home.

540
00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:42,080
Speaker 2: I'm selling as well as Avier in the Big East.

541
00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:46,640
Speaker 2: Not as much on the Musketeers, but just I think

542
00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:52,360
Speaker 2: on the Big East schedule alone, I think Yukon is

543
00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:55,240
Speaker 2: going to be very good. I think Villanova is much improved.

544
00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:59,320
Speaker 2: Saint John's is going to be a monster. You still

545
00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:05,520
Speaker 2: got seat in. Creighton is a ranked team, Marquette is

546
00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:08,680
Speaker 2: always tough. I think they're slightly under five hundred in

547
00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:10,440
Speaker 2: the Big East. But I think there are good things

548
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:12,520
Speaker 2: coming because I think Richard Patino is a good coach

549
00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:16,479
Speaker 2: and they will find their way all right, buy or

550
00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:19,960
Speaker 2: sell often. Joe Flacco will be a Bengal in twenty

551
00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:20,560
Speaker 2: twenty six.

552
00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:23,640
Speaker 4: Ooh, that's a good one.

553
00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:29,560
Speaker 3: I was reading something yesterday that the Steelers could target

554
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:33,080
Speaker 3: Joe Flacco if Aaron Rodgers decides to retire.

555
00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:33,600
Speaker 4: Good point.

556
00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:37,920
Speaker 3: Joe Flacco has made it quite obvious that he wants

557
00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:41,720
Speaker 3: to play, and the reason he's playing still is because

558
00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:44,400
Speaker 3: he wants to play and thinks he can help a team.

559
00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:51,840
Speaker 3: And clearly he can yes. I don't know if the

560
00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:55,040
Speaker 3: Bengals will maybe match the price that Joe Flacco might

561
00:29:55,120 --> 00:30:00,560
Speaker 3: get okay in free agency, but just the idea of

562
00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:05,000
Speaker 3: Flaccomania and the idea of Joe Burrow being perhaps to

563
00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:10,440
Speaker 3: some fragile Yeah, I'm gonna say yes, they do invest

564
00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:12,480
Speaker 3: in their backup quarterback. We've seen them do it in

565
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:14,160
Speaker 3: the past with Jake Browning. I'm gonna say they do.

566
00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:15,680
Speaker 3: Joe Flacco is here next year.

567
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:18,520
Speaker 2: I'm buying this wholeheartedly, not only because of what he

568
00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:19,840
Speaker 2: can do on the field, but I think he can

569
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:22,320
Speaker 2: be even more in factful to Joe Burrow. We've talked

570
00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:25,040
Speaker 2: for a while now about what Joe Burrow don't like

571
00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:27,360
Speaker 2: going under center. There are things Joe Burrow doesn't want

572
00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:29,320
Speaker 2: to do. Guess who could maybe get through to him

573
00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:31,400
Speaker 2: a little more, A guy that's played for a long

574
00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:34,160
Speaker 2: time in the NFL. I think Joe Flacca would be

575
00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:37,960
Speaker 2: the perfect backup quarterback to Joe Burrow. I think he's

576
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:40,920
Speaker 2: a welcome site, a breath of fresh air, and obviously

577
00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:42,600
Speaker 2: if you have to turn to him, you feel like

578
00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:44,920
Speaker 2: he's going to be able to weather the ship and

579
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:47,560
Speaker 2: weather the storm. I am buying Joe Flacco is a

580
00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:49,680
Speaker 2: Bengal in twenty twenty six. This one has two parts.

581
00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:52,400
Speaker 2: This is one B to the question Zach Taylor a

582
00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:53,680
Speaker 2: Bengal in twenty twenty six.

583
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Speaker 3: I'm gonna say yes, I'm gonna buy that.

584
00:30:57,320 --> 00:31:02,200
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm buying it as well, just because I don't

585
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:04,840
Speaker 2: think they move on from Zach. I think Joe bean

586
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:06,800
Speaker 2: out this season is enough of a reason that they'll

587
00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:08,560
Speaker 2: say at the end of the year, we're going to

588
00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:10,920
Speaker 2: bring it back and run this back again.

589
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:14,640
Speaker 3: I don't think the moves that you make, and that

590
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:17,880
Speaker 3: they have made our moves that are indicative of a

591
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:20,960
Speaker 3: desperate head coach or a head coach that feels like

592
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:24,200
Speaker 3: he's on the hot seat. I also believe that the

593
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:27,560
Speaker 3: offensive coaching that they have done this year is some

594
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:29,920
Speaker 3: of the best I've seen in some of the best

595
00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:32,960
Speaker 3: in the National Football League. I think the Brown family

596
00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:35,440
Speaker 3: thinks highly of Zach as an offensive mind. That's why

597
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:39,920
Speaker 3: he was hired to begin with, especially with not elite qualifications,

598
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:42,400
Speaker 3: and I do think that he deserves credit for the

599
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:45,120
Speaker 3: way this offense has performed. They could be getting beaten

600
00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:49,040
Speaker 3: forty two to nothing every game, but they're not they're

601
00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:52,160
Speaker 3: getting beaten forty seven to forty two, and there's at

602
00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:55,600
Speaker 3: least something to that. I'm not saying that's the right move.

603
00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:59,080
Speaker 3: I don't know that I necessarily agree with it, but

604
00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:00,920
Speaker 3: I do that Zach is here.

605
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:03,520
Speaker 2: That's where I'm at. If this is my choice, he's

606
00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:06,640
Speaker 2: not here the Bengals choice. I think he is here

607
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:08,800
Speaker 2: for all the reasons you just mentioned. But I do

608
00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:11,120
Speaker 2: think this gets interesting in Austin if things continue to

609
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:13,400
Speaker 2: get worse after the bye week. Yeah, that's where I

610
00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:16,080
Speaker 2: think this can change, all right. I think this was

611
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:18,840
Speaker 2: decided when it first happened, but I've been asked it,

612
00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:20,840
Speaker 2: so I threw it on here. You buy or sell

613
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:27,320
Speaker 2: Joe Burrow taking another snap this year? Now, this would

614
00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:31,040
Speaker 2: be a good one to hold. Uh huh. For what

615
00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:33,520
Speaker 2: it's worth, I'm selling. I don't think this team puts

616
00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:36,320
Speaker 2: himself in a position that they're playing meaningful football when

617
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:38,720
Speaker 2: Joe Burrow would be healthy. I think for that reason,

618
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:40,440
Speaker 2: you say, just get even healthier and we'll see you

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00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:40,880
Speaker 2: next year.

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00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:42,080
Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I want to sell it, but I have a feeling

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00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:49,160
Speaker 3: he's gonna push hard to play. Wow, Okay, yeah, I

623
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:52,479
Speaker 3: don't If he does going to take a risk here.

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00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:53,240
Speaker 3: I'm gonna buy this.

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00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:56,800
Speaker 2: But if he does that, should someone within the organization say,

626
00:32:57,240 --> 00:33:00,000
Speaker 2: we appreciate that, but you're not playing this year?

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00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:01,640
Speaker 4: Yes.

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00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:05,840
Speaker 3: Joe Burrow also rode on a golf cart with Mike Brown,

629
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:07,600
Speaker 3: and Mike Brown told him he wasn't playing on Monday

630
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:10,160
Speaker 3: Night football, and Joe Burrow said, yes, I am, and

631
00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:12,720
Speaker 3: played with a bad calf against the Rams and won

632
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:19,520
Speaker 3: that game. Different circumstances, same two guys. I think Joe

633
00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:23,680
Speaker 3: will push hard to play. Okay, I'm gonna say yes.

634
00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:25,680
Speaker 3: I don't know if I entirely believe that, but I'm

635
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:26,200
Speaker 3: gonna buy it.

636
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:30,640
Speaker 2: How about this, Jamar Chase will finish in the top

637
00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:38,560
Speaker 2: five among NFL receivers in receptions, yards, and touchdowns. Now,

638
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:42,560
Speaker 2: I'll throw it out here right now, he is tops

639
00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:46,040
Speaker 2: in the NFL by a wide margin. In receptions, he

640
00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:48,800
Speaker 2: already has seventy six receptions. The next closest is Christian

641
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:51,480
Speaker 2: McCaffrey at sixty one and Pukinakua, so he is fifteen

642
00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:54,920
Speaker 2: clear of anyone else on that. Yardage Wise, he is

643
00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:59,000
Speaker 2: second in the NFL, well behind Jackson Smith and Jigba.

644
00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:04,160
Speaker 2: And touchdowns, He's currently in a tie for tenth at five,

645
00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:07,880
Speaker 2: but the leader, Davante Adams, has eight buy or sell.

646
00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:11,560
Speaker 2: When all is said and done, Jamar Chase will finish

647
00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:13,000
Speaker 2: in the top five in each category.

648
00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:15,200
Speaker 3: I'm gonna sell it because the Bengals have to go

649
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:18,439
Speaker 3: on the road more frequently than they have been as

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00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:18,879
Speaker 3: of late.

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Speaker 1: And is Football in the NATI brought to you by

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Speaker 1: Postman Law on ESPN fifteen thirty, the official home of

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Speaker 1: the Cincinnati Bengals.

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Speaker 2: Now Austin Welcome back. Welcome back everyone, not just Austin.

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Speaker 2: It's since he three to sixty thanks to Skyline Chili,

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Speaker 2: but yes, you Austin as well. Welcome back. Normally on Thursdays,

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Speaker 2: we read and react a little bit to the next

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Speaker 2: opponent for the Cincinnati Bengals. I thought with Football in

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Speaker 2: the NATTI with a bye week, we could talk about

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Speaker 2: maybe some of the things that happen in that Bears

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Speaker 2: game in a little bit more depth. You want to

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Speaker 2: know how bad the defense has been when it comes

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Speaker 2: to missing tackles. We mentioned the Bengal players that make

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Speaker 2: up the mistackle list in the NFL. They are all

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Speaker 2: over the top ten. To put it into perspective, last Sunday,

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Speaker 2: the Bengals missed fifteen tackles that allowed Austin for one

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Speaker 2: hundred and thirty three extra yards. After said miss tackles,

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Speaker 2: including the game winner to Colston Loveland, they entered Sunday

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Speaker 2: allowing ninety four miss tackles and six hundred and forty

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Speaker 2: five yards, both most in the NFL. Those numbers only increase.

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Speaker 2: So we talk about tackling, and you and I both

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Speaker 2: mentioned tackling as a thing to improve on in the

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Speaker 2: second half. Does it still process just how bad they've

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Speaker 2: been tackling When you hear numbers.

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Speaker 3: Like that, Uh, it's exactly what I expect.

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Speaker 2: Incredible, Yeah, it's incredible. T Higgins huge game on Sunday.

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Speaker 4: Him.

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Speaker 2: T Higgins has been pressed on forty three point six

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Speaker 2: percent of his routes this season, the highest rate among

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Speaker 2: wide receivers in the National Football League. Why do we

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Speaker 2: feel like teams are deciding to press t Higgins more?

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Speaker 3: I think maybe the lack of production in recent weeks

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Speaker 3: and all the attention going to Jamar Chase that people

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Speaker 3: just kind of forgot who T Higgins was, and he

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Speaker 3: reminded them against the Bears. Yeah, I mean, he caught

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Speaker 3: that ball, he said on the micd up he couldn't

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Speaker 3: even see it.

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Speaker 2: I think one of the reasons is that opposing defenses

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Speaker 2: would rather risk bringing pressure or getting home with the

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Speaker 2: front four before t Higgins can get open. You know

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Speaker 2: what I mean. I think playing off would just playing

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Speaker 2: into the Bengals hands. I think teams are saying, we're

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Speaker 2: going to press Higgins and maybe make him for a

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Speaker 2: half second more take time to get into his route,

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Speaker 2: which allows us to get home quicker. I think teams

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Speaker 2: just think they can get to the quarterback quicker than

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Speaker 2: they can get the ball to Higgins. I think that's

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Speaker 2: why they press him so much. Chase Brown averaged the

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Speaker 2: third fewest yards before contact per carry among running backs

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Speaker 2: in the NFL this season. That changed though Austin going

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Speaker 2: back to the Jets week two point four yards before contact.

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Speaker 2: So it does signify the numbers we're seeing match what

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Speaker 2: the Bengals are doing from a production point of view.

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Speaker 2: They are running the ball more effectively and Chase Brown

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Speaker 2: is getting much more room to operate. I don't want

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Speaker 2: to put it all to the fact that they run

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Speaker 2: more under center, but I think under center has a big,

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Speaker 2: big part to say in this. That's why I think

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Speaker 2: Joe Flacco is necessary going forward. That's why I think

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Speaker 2: Joe Flacco can help Joe Burrow more than just on

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Speaker 2: the field.

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Speaker 3: But is Joe Flacco gonna outrank Zach Taylor and Jake

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Speaker 3: and Joe Burrow in the room.

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Speaker 2: I don't think you would have to outrank Zach because

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Speaker 2: I think Zach wants to do more under center.

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Speaker 3: But is I just don't know that when Joe is

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Speaker 3: fully healthy, if Flacco is gonna have veto power over

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Speaker 3: parts of the game plan, like he might make his

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Speaker 3: opinion known, and I guess maybe that holds some weight. No, no, no,

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Speaker 3: I don't know that it's going to have a huge impact.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, don't.

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Speaker 2: I don't see it having an impact going into the

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Speaker 2: game plan. But what I do think could help is,

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Speaker 2: again this is us assuming, but I'm assuming that Zach

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Speaker 2: would like to run as much under center with Joe

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Speaker 2: Burrow as he does with Joe Flacco. I would also

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Speaker 2: assume that Joe just Burrow just doesn't want to do that.

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Speaker 2: That's where I think Flacco can help. I think Flacco

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Speaker 2: can open maybe the eyes a little bit more of

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Speaker 2: Joe Burrow and maybe help with techniques or maybe help

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Speaker 2: with something with vision or defensive recognition to where Burrow

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Speaker 2: would feel a little bit more comfortable to turn his

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Speaker 2: back for a split second. I don't think Flaco would

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Speaker 2: have a say in a game plan as a backup quarterback,

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Speaker 2: but I do think film study, I think the inability

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Speaker 2: to go under center, I think maybe Flacco can have

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Speaker 2: a little bit of a say in that. At least

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Speaker 2: I think so, but we'll see. But again, if you're

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Speaker 2: asking me, is it better for Joe Burrow to have

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Speaker 2: Jake Browning or Joe Flacco as a backup, I think

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Speaker 2: just the experience of Flacco would go a long way

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Speaker 2: for Joe. Sure, And again, people throw injury prone around

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Speaker 2: now for Joe Burrow, and I don't think it's unfair

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Speaker 2: for people to say that because of what's happened to

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Speaker 2: Joe in his career, and you could call it fluky,

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Speaker 2: and I certainly think that a lot of it has been.

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Speaker 2: But if you do have to enter a three or

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Speaker 2: four game window and Joe Flacco is your backup, based

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Speaker 2: on what we've seen and knowing that Jamar, Chase and

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Speaker 2: t Higgins are going to be here and Chase Brown's

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Speaker 2: going to be here, then I think you would feel

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Speaker 2: pretty good about staying afloat during those four games. And

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Speaker 2: I think ultimately, as a backup quarterback, that's all you're

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Speaker 2: asking him to do. But I think it's his work

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Speaker 2: off the field in the film room around Joe Burrow

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Speaker 2: that I think would help Joe Burrow, who I already

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Speaker 2: view as a top two or three quarterback in the league,

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Speaker 2: ascend to the top quarterback in the league by just

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Speaker 2: a little bit of a push and maybe a little

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Speaker 2: bit of help from Joe Flacco. We'll see, we'll see,

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Speaker 2: I mean if And maybe that's why it's important Austin

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Speaker 2: for Burrow in his mind to play again this year.

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Speaker 2: Maybe it's important to say I do want to come back.

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Speaker 2: I want to have Flacco on the sideline. I want

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Speaker 2: to see how that feels for a couple of games.

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Speaker 2: And maybe there is more insight from an organization of man,

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Speaker 2: it is important that this guy comes back, because look

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Speaker 2: at the impact he had in that last game or

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Speaker 2: two where Joe Burrow was able to play. Assuming but

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Speaker 2: that's kind of what you do on a bye week.

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Speaker 2: What do we have coming up? An hour? Number two?

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Speaker 3: John Shearon, he talks some Bengals with us, and John

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Speaker 3: posted a very funny video during the aim of him

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Speaker 3: laughing at the Colston Loveland touchdown, which I think a

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Speaker 3: lot of people were having a similar reaction. We'll also

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Speaker 3: talk to Kegan Nickoson at two o'clock after that, So

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Speaker 3: so Bob Man.

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Speaker 2: We still have a lot nickoson Mangene talkbacks all between

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