1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:05,720 Speaker 1: Hike Sincy three sixty about Cincinnati from Cincinnati, sponsored in 2 00:00:05,840 --> 00:00:10,320 Speaker 1: part by Cincy Shirts. Cincy Shirts All Cincy, all Day. 3 00:00:10,840 --> 00:00:15,120 Speaker 1: This is ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station. 4 00:00:15,800 --> 00:00:18,880 Speaker 2: All right, let's go our number two. ESPN fifteen thirty 5 00:00:18,920 --> 00:00:22,959 Speaker 2: Cincinnati Sports Station running on fumes. If you're one of 6 00:00:22,960 --> 00:00:25,960 Speaker 2: those that stayed up to watch history last night, Dodgers 7 00:00:26,680 --> 00:00:29,040 Speaker 2: beat the Toronto Blue Jays and eighteen innings on a 8 00:00:29,040 --> 00:00:31,720 Speaker 2: Freddi Freeman walk off after show, Hey, Otani, we reached 9 00:00:31,760 --> 00:00:35,120 Speaker 2: base nine times. What does Otani have for the encore? 10 00:00:35,800 --> 00:00:39,159 Speaker 2: He'll take the mountain night In Game four against the 11 00:00:39,200 --> 00:00:43,559 Speaker 2: Toronto Blue Jays, Dodgers lead that series now to one. 12 00:00:44,159 --> 00:00:47,839 Speaker 2: All over our local sports coverage is our guest here 13 00:00:47,920 --> 00:00:49,879 Speaker 2: to kick off our number two each and every Tuesday. 14 00:00:49,920 --> 00:00:54,920 Speaker 2: From Fox nineteen Joe Daniman Yate. What's up, joe Y? 15 00:00:55,280 --> 00:00:57,320 Speaker 3: You know how the announcers say at the end of 16 00:00:57,320 --> 00:01:02,280 Speaker 3: a baseball game, stay tuned for your late love local news. 17 00:01:02,880 --> 00:01:05,760 Speaker 4: What happens when it's the morning show? That to me? 18 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:08,080 Speaker 2: And I know you already hashed this out with Moeger. 19 00:01:09,240 --> 00:01:12,280 Speaker 2: At what point during that game last night, did you 20 00:01:12,360 --> 00:01:14,520 Speaker 2: know that you weren't going to be talking after the game. 21 00:01:15,520 --> 00:01:17,920 Speaker 3: At about one thirty, they pulled the plug on us 22 00:01:17,959 --> 00:01:20,160 Speaker 3: and told us to go home. So yeah, I was 23 00:01:20,240 --> 00:01:22,800 Speaker 3: able to get out of there. And I think back 24 00:01:23,319 --> 00:01:26,720 Speaker 3: to some of the epic baseball games in great moments 25 00:01:26,760 --> 00:01:28,880 Speaker 3: that we've seen in the last. 26 00:01:28,600 --> 00:01:29,760 Speaker 4: Twenty five years. 27 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:34,080 Speaker 3: The Aaron Boone walk off home run against the Red 28 00:01:34,120 --> 00:01:37,720 Speaker 3: Sox was like, the only pitch I missed in that 29 00:01:37,840 --> 00:01:39,920 Speaker 3: game is I was like running down the hall to 30 00:01:39,959 --> 00:01:40,479 Speaker 3: get something. 31 00:01:40,480 --> 00:01:42,160 Speaker 4: I came back and I missed it. 32 00:01:42,080 --> 00:01:45,640 Speaker 3: Till last night when we left, I was driving way 33 00:01:45,680 --> 00:01:48,680 Speaker 3: too fast to get home to make. 34 00:01:48,520 --> 00:01:50,080 Speaker 4: Sure I saw the end of the game. 35 00:01:50,160 --> 00:01:52,040 Speaker 3: Little did I know I would still have like four 36 00:01:52,080 --> 00:01:53,720 Speaker 3: innings left by the time I got home. 37 00:01:53,800 --> 00:01:56,360 Speaker 5: So what's it like for you guys there at the 38 00:01:56,360 --> 00:01:59,520 Speaker 5: Fox nineteen studios because you work on the show. Do 39 00:01:59,520 --> 00:02:01,400 Speaker 5: you get all the show done and everything that you're 40 00:02:01,400 --> 00:02:02,840 Speaker 5: supposed to be doing. Do you just kind of sit 41 00:02:02,920 --> 00:02:05,840 Speaker 5: around and watch the game together? Or are you working 42 00:02:05,840 --> 00:02:08,320 Speaker 5: on other stuff for today, like what's going on? Take 43 00:02:08,360 --> 00:02:10,120 Speaker 5: us inside the room. 44 00:02:10,120 --> 00:02:11,079 Speaker 4: That's a great question. 45 00:02:11,160 --> 00:02:14,160 Speaker 3: Okay, So at that point, we're down to about five 46 00:02:14,280 --> 00:02:17,960 Speaker 3: or six people left in the newsroom, and everybody's looking 47 00:02:18,040 --> 00:02:18,400 Speaker 3: to me. 48 00:02:18,480 --> 00:02:20,480 Speaker 4: To tell them when this is going to end. 49 00:02:20,880 --> 00:02:24,760 Speaker 3: Like, because I work in sports, I can predict when this. 50 00:02:24,800 --> 00:02:27,200 Speaker 4: Baseball game is going to be finished. So they're asking 51 00:02:27,280 --> 00:02:30,799 Speaker 4: for ballpark times, and I say, this thing could go 52 00:02:30,880 --> 00:02:32,600 Speaker 4: till three in the morning, or it can be over 53 00:02:32,680 --> 00:02:34,840 Speaker 4: on the next pitch. I have no answer for you. 54 00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:38,760 Speaker 3: However, I'm the only one there who's excited because we're 55 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:41,680 Speaker 3: witnessing one of the great moments in baseball history. And 56 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:44,480 Speaker 3: I tell them all the time, I'd be home watching 57 00:02:44,520 --> 00:02:47,040 Speaker 3: this game anyway, so I might as well be at 58 00:02:47,080 --> 00:02:49,280 Speaker 3: work watching it and getting ready to do a show. 59 00:02:49,880 --> 00:02:51,839 Speaker 3: So yeah, I tried to work ahead, got a few 60 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:55,040 Speaker 3: things done that I posted socially, and you try to 61 00:02:55,080 --> 00:02:56,840 Speaker 3: take the work that would have been on air and 62 00:02:56,919 --> 00:03:00,720 Speaker 3: posted socially to your social media accounts. But there's only 63 00:03:00,919 --> 00:03:03,560 Speaker 3: so much you can do when you're waiting three hours. 64 00:03:03,600 --> 00:03:06,519 Speaker 3: So most of the time people are sitting around lamenting 65 00:03:06,560 --> 00:03:08,480 Speaker 3: the fact that they could be home going to bed, 66 00:03:08,520 --> 00:03:12,079 Speaker 3: and I'm all fired up because I'd be at home watching. 67 00:03:11,760 --> 00:03:12,480 Speaker 4: The game anyway. 68 00:03:12,680 --> 00:03:15,160 Speaker 5: Following up on that with social media, how has your 69 00:03:15,160 --> 00:03:17,480 Speaker 5: life changed since you went viral last week with the 70 00:03:17,560 --> 00:03:18,560 Speaker 5: Joe Flacco clip. 71 00:03:19,880 --> 00:03:23,240 Speaker 4: Isn't that something? And I had no idea Austin. 72 00:03:23,600 --> 00:03:26,040 Speaker 3: We were in the middle of shooting our Bengals Live 73 00:03:26,120 --> 00:03:28,840 Speaker 3: show at Newport, so I was unplugged for a good 74 00:03:29,280 --> 00:03:31,520 Speaker 3: forty five minutes. And then we were in a commercial 75 00:03:31,560 --> 00:03:33,280 Speaker 3: break and I looked at my phone and it was 76 00:03:33,320 --> 00:03:36,560 Speaker 3: a text from you about something going viral, and I'm like, 77 00:03:36,560 --> 00:03:37,680 Speaker 3: what are you talking about? 78 00:03:37,720 --> 00:03:39,800 Speaker 4: And I slipped on my Twitter and I showed it 79 00:03:39,800 --> 00:03:40,240 Speaker 4: to Jeremy. 80 00:03:40,320 --> 00:03:43,840 Speaker 3: I said, this thing has fifteen thousand likes and like 81 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:46,440 Speaker 3: an hour and a half, I'm like, what is it 82 00:03:46,480 --> 00:03:49,440 Speaker 3: about this that relates and resonates so much with people? 83 00:03:49,560 --> 00:03:52,400 Speaker 4: Now relates and resonates with me because I'm a mid 84 00:03:52,440 --> 00:03:54,840 Speaker 4: forties guy with three kids who loves to eat alone. 85 00:03:54,840 --> 00:03:57,960 Speaker 4: But I've always been that way. So the fact that 86 00:03:57,960 --> 00:04:01,080 Speaker 4: that one went wild, I'm you never know, right. 87 00:04:01,160 --> 00:04:03,640 Speaker 3: And the funny thing about that tweet was I was 88 00:04:03,680 --> 00:04:06,320 Speaker 3: sitting around at the stadium just finishing up my work 89 00:04:06,360 --> 00:04:09,240 Speaker 3: and Jeremy still had something else to do, so I 90 00:04:09,280 --> 00:04:11,920 Speaker 3: was like, how could I fill this last five to 91 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:13,480 Speaker 3: ten minutes with something productive? 92 00:04:13,840 --> 00:04:14,000 Speaker 4: Oh? 93 00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:17,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, Joe Flacko said something kind of fun during his 94 00:04:17,080 --> 00:04:19,360 Speaker 3: press conference. I'll share that on social media, and there 95 00:04:19,400 --> 00:04:20,000 Speaker 3: it goes. 96 00:04:21,839 --> 00:04:22,160 Speaker 4: One more. 97 00:04:22,200 --> 00:04:23,560 Speaker 2: I want to get to the Bengals. But on the 98 00:04:23,600 --> 00:04:27,480 Speaker 2: game last night, you're watching along and I just had 99 00:04:27,480 --> 00:04:29,800 Speaker 2: the chance. Last week or whenever it was we were 100 00:04:29,800 --> 00:04:31,120 Speaker 2: on the road with I was sitting with Mo and 101 00:04:31,160 --> 00:04:33,680 Speaker 2: We're watching o'tanni strike out ten and hit three home 102 00:04:33,760 --> 00:04:35,960 Speaker 2: runs in a game, and I'm thinking to myself, he's 103 00:04:35,960 --> 00:04:38,239 Speaker 2: doing something I'm never going to see in my lifetime 104 00:04:38,279 --> 00:04:41,200 Speaker 2: anyone else do. And then last night I'm thinking the 105 00:04:41,200 --> 00:04:43,680 Speaker 2: same thing. I'm never going to see anyone on this 106 00:04:43,800 --> 00:04:47,839 Speaker 2: stage ever put together a performance like shoe Hey Otani 107 00:04:47,920 --> 00:04:51,480 Speaker 2: is doing. You're a sports fan. You've grown up in 108 00:04:51,520 --> 00:04:53,320 Speaker 2: a time and Austin and I hit on it earlier. 109 00:04:53,320 --> 00:04:56,120 Speaker 2: You've been able to see Tiger and Jordan and Lebron 110 00:04:56,160 --> 00:04:59,800 Speaker 2: and Steph Curry and Otani and Tom Brady, and you 111 00:04:59,800 --> 00:05:02,880 Speaker 2: can down the list of all these greats. Where does 112 00:05:03,279 --> 00:05:07,240 Speaker 2: last night rank for you? On just an individual accomplishment 113 00:05:07,279 --> 00:05:09,480 Speaker 2: that is never going to be replicated for us? 114 00:05:10,640 --> 00:05:13,240 Speaker 3: You mentioned all the people that I have seen throughout 115 00:05:13,279 --> 00:05:16,920 Speaker 3: my life and been privileged to watch play. I think 116 00:05:16,960 --> 00:05:19,440 Speaker 3: about the people that I've never seen play, and the 117 00:05:19,520 --> 00:05:22,039 Speaker 3: legends and the stories you hear of them. And I 118 00:05:22,120 --> 00:05:24,400 Speaker 3: was thinking last night as he was walked for the 119 00:05:24,440 --> 00:05:27,799 Speaker 3: fourth time and on base for the eighth time, thinking, 120 00:05:27,839 --> 00:05:29,960 Speaker 3: in one hundred years from now, are people going to 121 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:32,320 Speaker 3: talk about sho Hao Tanny the way that we talk 122 00:05:32,360 --> 00:05:35,800 Speaker 3: about Babe Ruth. And that's what's really interesting to me. 123 00:05:35,920 --> 00:05:40,280 Speaker 3: Now it'll be different because they'll have video available and 124 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:44,320 Speaker 3: they'll have more stories available and so much more written 125 00:05:44,440 --> 00:05:48,440 Speaker 3: and shown and recorded of what show Hay's done compared 126 00:05:48,480 --> 00:05:50,800 Speaker 3: to what Babe Ruth did. But are we going to 127 00:05:50,839 --> 00:05:52,400 Speaker 3: look back in one hundred years And I kind of 128 00:05:52,480 --> 00:05:55,119 Speaker 3: laughed to myself, or are kids gonna say, oh, look, 129 00:05:55,160 --> 00:05:57,480 Speaker 3: he was only hitting against guys who were throwing a hundred. 130 00:05:57,800 --> 00:06:00,479 Speaker 3: He was playing as a bunch of plumbers, you know, 131 00:06:00,640 --> 00:06:03,320 Speaker 3: because people are going to evolve, people are going to change, 132 00:06:03,320 --> 00:06:05,120 Speaker 3: and guys are going to throw one hundred and fifteen 133 00:06:05,120 --> 00:06:07,920 Speaker 3: one hundred and twenty miles an hour in one hundred years, 134 00:06:07,920 --> 00:06:11,120 Speaker 3: And are we going to appreciate sho Hao Tani the 135 00:06:11,160 --> 00:06:14,479 Speaker 3: way we talk about legends like Babe Ruth. To me, 136 00:06:14,839 --> 00:06:18,320 Speaker 3: it's like this, there are a handful of people that 137 00:06:18,480 --> 00:06:22,560 Speaker 3: transcend sports fans in the pop culture and He's one 138 00:06:22,560 --> 00:06:24,600 Speaker 3: of those guys that I can be And I'll be 139 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:28,680 Speaker 3: tonight at home watching the game, and when sho Haotani hits, 140 00:06:29,080 --> 00:06:31,320 Speaker 3: I'll say to my family, who's around the house doing 141 00:06:31,360 --> 00:06:34,400 Speaker 3: other things, show Hayes up, and everybody will come around 142 00:06:34,440 --> 00:06:36,960 Speaker 3: the TV, including my wife, who isn't a huge baseball fan. 143 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:37,960 Speaker 4: She loves the Reds. 144 00:06:38,160 --> 00:06:40,880 Speaker 3: But outside of that show, come watch and see what 145 00:06:40,920 --> 00:06:43,840 Speaker 3: Sho Haotani does. And to me, that's the measure of 146 00:06:43,880 --> 00:06:47,760 Speaker 3: someone who's not just a sports star, but an icon, 147 00:06:48,160 --> 00:06:51,520 Speaker 3: and that's what Sho Haotani has become. On top of it, 148 00:06:52,279 --> 00:06:55,880 Speaker 3: the guy's extremely likable and I find him fascinating to 149 00:06:55,960 --> 00:06:58,960 Speaker 3: watch the way he handles himself, the way he carries himself, 150 00:06:59,440 --> 00:07:03,240 Speaker 3: considering his star power and the weight he has globally. 151 00:07:03,839 --> 00:07:05,680 Speaker 3: I just think it's a cool thing to know that 152 00:07:05,720 --> 00:07:08,320 Speaker 3: at one hundred years, when we're long gone, Tony, that 153 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:11,000 Speaker 3: people are going to be talking about a guy that 154 00:07:11,080 --> 00:07:14,240 Speaker 3: we got to watch every single day when we wanted to. 155 00:07:15,200 --> 00:07:17,320 Speaker 2: Let's switch gears. I hate to do it. We've got 156 00:07:17,320 --> 00:07:18,920 Speaker 2: to talk a little bit about the Bengals and the 157 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:22,000 Speaker 2: Jets thirty nine, thirty eight, five hundred and two yards 158 00:07:22,040 --> 00:07:24,239 Speaker 2: of total offense for the Jets. We'll have a comment 159 00:07:24,280 --> 00:07:25,960 Speaker 2: or two about the offensive side of the ball. Let's 160 00:07:25,960 --> 00:07:31,120 Speaker 2: start with the defense, Joe, somehow, some way, after the 161 00:07:31,560 --> 00:07:34,360 Speaker 2: historically bad defense we saw last year, they're worse in 162 00:07:34,400 --> 00:07:38,160 Speaker 2: many categories this year. How have we gotten to this 163 00:07:38,320 --> 00:07:41,400 Speaker 2: point and is it something that can be fixed over 164 00:07:41,440 --> 00:07:43,720 Speaker 2: the course of an offseason or does this take multiple 165 00:07:43,800 --> 00:07:45,920 Speaker 2: years now to do well. 166 00:07:45,920 --> 00:07:48,400 Speaker 3: I'd love to play back our conversations and us talking 167 00:07:48,440 --> 00:07:51,360 Speaker 3: about this defense going back to training camp and off 168 00:07:51,400 --> 00:07:54,560 Speaker 3: seasons and talking about how they weren't going to fix 169 00:07:54,600 --> 00:07:56,600 Speaker 3: this just in one offseason, but they can start to 170 00:07:56,640 --> 00:07:59,120 Speaker 3: take steps, and how we said we're not going to 171 00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:01,320 Speaker 3: be full by what they do in training camp or 172 00:08:01,320 --> 00:08:03,560 Speaker 3: what people say about them. We're not going to be 173 00:08:03,600 --> 00:08:06,200 Speaker 3: fooled about how they look and week one, We're really 174 00:08:06,280 --> 00:08:08,680 Speaker 3: going to judge this team when it's real, when they're. 175 00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:09,920 Speaker 4: Playing real offenses. 176 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:13,960 Speaker 3: And here we are halfway through a season and they 177 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:17,800 Speaker 3: are who we thought they were. They just did not 178 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:22,400 Speaker 3: add enough difference making talent to take the kind of 179 00:08:22,560 --> 00:08:23,400 Speaker 3: leap that. 180 00:08:23,320 --> 00:08:25,640 Speaker 4: They would need to take from last year to this year. 181 00:08:26,120 --> 00:08:31,280 Speaker 3: They invested in change in coordinator, they invested in change 182 00:08:31,400 --> 00:08:35,280 Speaker 3: in draft capital, and it hasn't added up to enough 183 00:08:35,320 --> 00:08:38,839 Speaker 3: for this team to be better defensively. Now, I had 184 00:08:38,920 --> 00:08:41,520 Speaker 3: the idea Sunday night when I got back and we 185 00:08:41,520 --> 00:08:44,600 Speaker 3: were talking amunst ourselves in the sports department about what's 186 00:08:44,600 --> 00:08:48,199 Speaker 3: the deal with the Bengals defense. And it's so simplistic 187 00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:50,320 Speaker 3: to me. It's just a lack of elite talent. And 188 00:08:50,360 --> 00:08:53,120 Speaker 3: you look at what this team has done. They've chosen 189 00:08:53,800 --> 00:08:57,520 Speaker 3: that way to build their defense, that way being draft, 190 00:08:57,880 --> 00:09:02,360 Speaker 3: develop and try to keep it hasn't worked. I challenge 191 00:09:02,400 --> 00:09:04,520 Speaker 3: you to go back and look at the Bengals drafts 192 00:09:05,320 --> 00:09:08,720 Speaker 3: and find the last time they drafted someone who turned 193 00:09:08,800 --> 00:09:09,840 Speaker 3: into a star. 194 00:09:10,760 --> 00:09:12,440 Speaker 4: And I think locally. 195 00:09:12,040 --> 00:09:16,040 Speaker 3: We would argue Jesse Bates in twenty eighteen was a 196 00:09:16,080 --> 00:09:18,880 Speaker 3: star here in Cincinnati, but I don't think he's a 197 00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:21,800 Speaker 3: national football star the way some of these defensive players 198 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:24,520 Speaker 3: are talked about around the league. You go back then 199 00:09:24,559 --> 00:09:27,720 Speaker 3: to twenty ten in Geno Watkins, a guy who's going 200 00:09:27,720 --> 00:09:29,720 Speaker 3: to be in the Ring of Honor, a guy who 201 00:09:29,760 --> 00:09:31,640 Speaker 3: deserves a fair shake for the Hall of Fame. 202 00:09:32,160 --> 00:09:34,680 Speaker 4: I mean, those are really the only two star. 203 00:09:34,559 --> 00:09:39,760 Speaker 3: Players I can find in the last fifteen years of drafting, 204 00:09:40,520 --> 00:09:43,440 Speaker 3: and that's the plan and the only way this team 205 00:09:43,559 --> 00:09:46,679 Speaker 3: can do this to fix their defense because of what 206 00:09:46,800 --> 00:09:48,160 Speaker 3: they spent offensively. 207 00:09:48,440 --> 00:09:52,280 Speaker 4: The plan was pay the guys on offense, draft. 208 00:09:52,040 --> 00:09:55,319 Speaker 3: Develop and hope they develop into good players on defense, 209 00:09:55,360 --> 00:09:56,319 Speaker 3: and it hasn't worked. 210 00:09:56,320 --> 00:09:57,200 Speaker 4: It's simple to me. 211 00:09:57,760 --> 00:10:00,920 Speaker 3: We can talk about tackling, we can talk about schemes, 212 00:10:01,240 --> 00:10:02,520 Speaker 3: we can talk about coaching. 213 00:10:02,559 --> 00:10:04,400 Speaker 4: To me, it's about the talent. 214 00:10:04,640 --> 00:10:08,600 Speaker 3: There's not enough elite talent on this defense for them 215 00:10:08,679 --> 00:10:11,160 Speaker 3: to close the gap from what they were last year 216 00:10:11,400 --> 00:10:13,400 Speaker 3: to getting better and being functional this year. 217 00:10:13,559 --> 00:10:16,199 Speaker 2: So saying that, and I completely agree with that sentiment, 218 00:10:17,440 --> 00:10:20,199 Speaker 2: how do you lean on any faith that next year 219 00:10:20,200 --> 00:10:23,400 Speaker 2: it'll be different, that though all of a sudden be 220 00:10:23,520 --> 00:10:25,960 Speaker 2: able to evaluate these players differently and they'll hit home 221 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:28,439 Speaker 2: runs in the draft Because there has been so many misses, 222 00:10:29,080 --> 00:10:31,840 Speaker 2: So how could you have faith that going into the 223 00:10:31,880 --> 00:10:33,560 Speaker 2: next draft things would be different. 224 00:10:34,840 --> 00:10:37,520 Speaker 4: You don't. And that's the reality of the situation. 225 00:10:37,640 --> 00:10:40,520 Speaker 3: And that's what's so worrisome I would think for Cincinnati 226 00:10:40,559 --> 00:10:43,280 Speaker 3: Bengals fans is you don't have that faith that they 227 00:10:43,320 --> 00:10:46,040 Speaker 3: will be better, that, oh, give them six more swings, 228 00:10:46,080 --> 00:10:48,160 Speaker 3: they're bound to hit at home run at some point, Well, 229 00:10:48,160 --> 00:10:50,360 Speaker 3: they've had a lot of swings and they haven't hit 230 00:10:50,400 --> 00:10:52,600 Speaker 3: home runs, and so at some point you just wonder 231 00:10:52,600 --> 00:10:55,320 Speaker 3: how many times are they going to strike out before 232 00:10:55,840 --> 00:10:58,280 Speaker 3: a change is made. Now, I'll say this to that 233 00:10:58,400 --> 00:11:02,640 Speaker 3: point too, is I've brought up many times when it 234 00:11:02,679 --> 00:11:06,679 Speaker 3: came to roster construction, is signing T Higgins the best 235 00:11:06,679 --> 00:11:09,480 Speaker 3: thing for this roster? Could you take that money and 236 00:11:09,480 --> 00:11:10,400 Speaker 3: spend it elsewhere? 237 00:11:10,520 --> 00:11:13,920 Speaker 4: And the question would be do you trust that if they. 238 00:11:13,800 --> 00:11:16,200 Speaker 3: Had that money, they would spend it correctly or would 239 00:11:16,200 --> 00:11:18,560 Speaker 3: they spend it at all? So it's almost a moot 240 00:11:18,679 --> 00:11:22,640 Speaker 3: conversation to have about what they should have or shouldn't 241 00:11:22,679 --> 00:11:25,959 Speaker 3: have done with T. Higgins because there's no faith what 242 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:28,240 Speaker 3: they would have done with that money in the first place. 243 00:11:28,280 --> 00:11:32,360 Speaker 3: So yeah, I think you have to question that can 244 00:11:32,440 --> 00:11:35,319 Speaker 3: they use another offseason to get this thing fixed? Because 245 00:11:35,360 --> 00:11:37,640 Speaker 3: they just took five swings at it in the draft, 246 00:11:37,920 --> 00:11:42,000 Speaker 3: They just made a change at defensive coordinator and all 247 00:11:42,080 --> 00:11:46,320 Speaker 3: that investment and change, the net return is zilch. 248 00:11:46,679 --> 00:11:47,480 Speaker 4: It hasn't been. 249 00:11:47,400 --> 00:11:49,400 Speaker 3: Better, And that to me has to be the most 250 00:11:49,400 --> 00:11:53,000 Speaker 3: worrisome thing going forward, is there's no track record of 251 00:11:53,040 --> 00:11:55,160 Speaker 3: this thing being any better next year. 252 00:11:55,520 --> 00:11:57,320 Speaker 5: Well, the good news is Joe, that there was a 253 00:11:57,360 --> 00:12:00,760 Speaker 5: player's only defensive meeting yesterday, which that can only mean 254 00:12:01,040 --> 00:12:04,560 Speaker 5: good things, right, like, what did you hear if anything 255 00:12:04,800 --> 00:12:07,560 Speaker 5: about that meeting? And you know, do we know who 256 00:12:07,640 --> 00:12:10,000 Speaker 5: led it or or if there are any leaders emerging 257 00:12:10,040 --> 00:12:11,600 Speaker 5: on the defense as they go through this. 258 00:12:12,840 --> 00:12:17,480 Speaker 3: So I spent some time with Demetrius Knight yesterday and 259 00:12:17,559 --> 00:12:20,520 Speaker 3: he did his big media scrum, and then I wanted 260 00:12:20,520 --> 00:12:24,079 Speaker 3: to spend some time for this purpose to ask these 261 00:12:24,200 --> 00:12:28,240 Speaker 3: kinds of questions. And he wouldn't go into detail of 262 00:12:28,360 --> 00:12:31,959 Speaker 3: who spoke, but he said in general some names, and 263 00:12:31,960 --> 00:12:34,480 Speaker 3: then the names you would expect. The guys that he 264 00:12:34,960 --> 00:12:37,280 Speaker 3: said stood up and were leaders in that point, the 265 00:12:37,679 --> 00:12:42,959 Speaker 3: BJ Hills, the older guys on defense. The Trey Hendrickson 266 00:12:43,080 --> 00:12:47,839 Speaker 3: is another name he mentioned. And I asked him can 267 00:12:48,080 --> 00:12:53,240 Speaker 3: young guys be leaders, because some of these defensive players 268 00:12:53,240 --> 00:12:56,640 Speaker 3: are in position to be leaders. And he fixed the 269 00:12:56,679 --> 00:12:59,920 Speaker 3: profile of a guy that you would want speaking in 270 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:05,240 Speaker 3: that meeting, considering his age, his maturity, his position, and 271 00:13:05,320 --> 00:13:07,680 Speaker 3: he said, the best thing a young person can do 272 00:13:07,960 --> 00:13:10,320 Speaker 3: to be a leader when they of his age of 273 00:13:10,360 --> 00:13:13,600 Speaker 3: his experience, is be a good listener. And and so 274 00:13:13,720 --> 00:13:16,040 Speaker 3: that told me at that point that he didn't feel 275 00:13:16,120 --> 00:13:19,560 Speaker 3: comfortable standing up in front of that room and having 276 00:13:19,600 --> 00:13:22,600 Speaker 3: guys listen to him. And how could you if you're 277 00:13:22,679 --> 00:13:24,880 Speaker 3: if you're a Barrett Carter and a demetrious night and 278 00:13:24,880 --> 00:13:28,160 Speaker 3: you're not playing well enough for for guys to to 279 00:13:28,280 --> 00:13:31,240 Speaker 3: want to rally around you and listen to what you say. 280 00:13:31,640 --> 00:13:33,760 Speaker 3: And and I and I spent some time with him 281 00:13:33,760 --> 00:13:36,720 Speaker 3: about the tackling thing, because you know, we've talked about 282 00:13:36,760 --> 00:13:39,200 Speaker 3: the tackling thing, and I've been curious of what guys 283 00:13:39,240 --> 00:13:42,520 Speaker 3: can do in practice to help this throughout the year, 284 00:13:42,559 --> 00:13:44,880 Speaker 3: because once you get out of training camp, there just 285 00:13:45,080 --> 00:13:45,920 Speaker 3: isn't a lot. 286 00:13:45,720 --> 00:13:47,880 Speaker 4: Of hitting there. There isn't going to the ground. 287 00:13:47,920 --> 00:13:51,400 Speaker 3: And he said, well, on Thursdays, they they do go 288 00:13:51,559 --> 00:13:52,640 Speaker 3: to padded practice. 289 00:13:52,720 --> 00:13:55,240 Speaker 4: And he made some changes. 290 00:13:54,960 --> 00:13:59,199 Speaker 3: Last week when going against the scout team about tackling 291 00:13:59,240 --> 00:14:01,480 Speaker 3: with his feet and being present with his feet and 292 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:05,280 Speaker 3: running through defenders and stutting when he can, and he 293 00:14:05,360 --> 00:14:07,319 Speaker 3: thought it made a difference in his game. And he 294 00:14:07,440 --> 00:14:09,840 Speaker 3: shared that with some teammates and he thought that might 295 00:14:09,880 --> 00:14:13,840 Speaker 3: help them going forward. So we don't know exactly what 296 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:16,360 Speaker 3: Zach Taylor means when he says they have to get 297 00:14:16,360 --> 00:14:20,000 Speaker 3: creative in practice about helping these guys tackle. He wouldn't 298 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:23,520 Speaker 3: give those details even off the record, but Demetrius and 299 00:14:23,560 --> 00:14:28,800 Speaker 3: Night did shed some light on some Thursday ideas and 300 00:14:29,360 --> 00:14:33,480 Speaker 3: some Thursday studding that can help this team maybe go 301 00:14:33,560 --> 00:14:37,160 Speaker 3: forward with the tackling. But to me, it all comes 302 00:14:37,200 --> 00:14:39,840 Speaker 3: back to just a lack of ability, a lack of talent. 303 00:14:39,960 --> 00:14:41,240 Speaker 4: We hear the word hesitancy. 304 00:14:41,320 --> 00:14:45,040 Speaker 3: I think that comes with guys not having confidence in themselves, 305 00:14:45,080 --> 00:14:47,320 Speaker 3: and guys don't have confidence in themselves as they're not 306 00:14:47,360 --> 00:14:49,920 Speaker 3: elite players, and I think that's where still comes down. 307 00:14:50,080 --> 00:14:52,080 Speaker 2: That's the hard part when you have a player's only 308 00:14:52,120 --> 00:14:55,280 Speaker 2: meeting whoever speaking you want to hear from, but you're 309 00:14:55,360 --> 00:14:58,120 Speaker 2: also as a player thinking, well, what's this guy talking about. 310 00:14:58,160 --> 00:15:00,360 Speaker 2: I'm watching his tape and it's not much better than mine. 311 00:15:00,640 --> 00:15:03,320 Speaker 2: So they just they don't have enough players playing an 312 00:15:03,360 --> 00:15:05,520 Speaker 2: elite level that you're looking for a leader, and I 313 00:15:05,520 --> 00:15:08,040 Speaker 2: don't know how you establish one. Have you have you 314 00:15:08,080 --> 00:15:12,200 Speaker 2: at Fox nineteen, Have you had to call a meeting 315 00:15:12,320 --> 00:15:14,000 Speaker 2: of that of that nature at any time? 316 00:15:16,120 --> 00:15:20,160 Speaker 3: No, because we tackle well with Channel nineteen, I have 317 00:15:20,480 --> 00:15:24,440 Speaker 3: I have had meetings with younger people that I work with, 318 00:15:25,320 --> 00:15:29,880 Speaker 3: but listen and those come. I've been in the business 319 00:15:29,920 --> 00:15:32,640 Speaker 3: for twenty four to twenty five years, so I can 320 00:15:33,080 --> 00:15:39,320 Speaker 3: speak from a position of experience and a position of teaching. 321 00:15:39,880 --> 00:15:42,920 Speaker 3: And I wouldn't feel comfortable when I was working under 322 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:46,360 Speaker 3: Dan Horde, when I was working under Brian Deesen's law, 323 00:15:46,400 --> 00:15:48,680 Speaker 3: when I was working under Zach Wells, Guys that I 324 00:15:48,760 --> 00:15:51,680 Speaker 3: work with and respect so much to stand in a 325 00:15:51,760 --> 00:15:54,600 Speaker 3: room and try to tell them to follow me or 326 00:15:54,640 --> 00:15:57,520 Speaker 3: do it a certain way, so I can see the 327 00:15:57,600 --> 00:16:00,080 Speaker 3: point that a guy like Demetrius Knight is making that 328 00:16:00,320 --> 00:16:03,080 Speaker 3: a Barrett Carter is making. And I go back to 329 00:16:03,120 --> 00:16:05,640 Speaker 3: some of the off season conversations I had with the 330 00:16:05,720 --> 00:16:09,080 Speaker 3: guys like Jordan Battle, who said they wanted to empower 331 00:16:09,160 --> 00:16:11,880 Speaker 3: those kind of guys so to be young guys in 332 00:16:11,960 --> 00:16:16,640 Speaker 3: positions of importance to have that feeling that they can 333 00:16:16,680 --> 00:16:18,120 Speaker 3: go in front of the team and speak it. 334 00:16:18,160 --> 00:16:21,120 Speaker 4: But it just doesn't work that way until. 335 00:16:20,800 --> 00:16:24,120 Speaker 3: You have, as you said, the tape to prove you're 336 00:16:24,160 --> 00:16:28,480 Speaker 3: a guy you're an alpha, or the experience that proves 337 00:16:28,480 --> 00:16:31,320 Speaker 3: you're a guy you're an alpha. You don't feel comfortable 338 00:16:31,400 --> 00:16:34,960 Speaker 3: doing that and you know we've entered the players only 339 00:16:35,120 --> 00:16:38,000 Speaker 3: portion of the season that that's never a good thing 340 00:16:38,120 --> 00:16:38,920 Speaker 3: for a season. 341 00:16:39,280 --> 00:16:42,360 Speaker 4: We'll see what what it's made of. And Zach Taylor 342 00:16:42,440 --> 00:16:43,800 Speaker 4: was different on Sunday. 343 00:16:43,800 --> 00:16:47,880 Speaker 3: You don't you don't see Zach oftentimes kind of go 344 00:16:48,080 --> 00:16:50,320 Speaker 3: at his team a little bit. The way he did 345 00:16:50,400 --> 00:16:52,440 Speaker 3: call players out the way he did, didn't do it 346 00:16:52,480 --> 00:16:55,280 Speaker 3: by name, but in general he typically doesn't do that. 347 00:16:55,360 --> 00:16:58,680 Speaker 3: It typically is an accountability on him that it starts 348 00:16:58,720 --> 00:17:02,080 Speaker 3: with him, stops with him. So for him to challenge 349 00:17:02,080 --> 00:17:05,200 Speaker 3: the defense the way he did, maybe that resonates. Maybe 350 00:17:05,200 --> 00:17:07,560 Speaker 3: it makes a difference because it does feel like a 351 00:17:07,680 --> 00:17:11,439 Speaker 3: season again back on life support after the loss against 352 00:17:11,440 --> 00:17:12,000 Speaker 3: the Jets. 353 00:17:12,240 --> 00:17:14,280 Speaker 2: On the offensive side of the ball, it's hard to 354 00:17:14,320 --> 00:17:16,760 Speaker 2: pick apart much of what the offense has done. They're 355 00:17:16,800 --> 00:17:20,199 Speaker 2: running the ball much better, they've protected better, Flacco has 356 00:17:20,240 --> 00:17:23,119 Speaker 2: been spreading the ball out. Two things that I go 357 00:17:23,240 --> 00:17:25,600 Speaker 2: back to. One, you have to find a way to 358 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:28,920 Speaker 2: target t Higgins more than twice in a football game 359 00:17:29,359 --> 00:17:31,119 Speaker 2: in the NFL. And I don't know if that's a 360 00:17:31,200 --> 00:17:33,240 Speaker 2: Zach Taylor thing or if there's someone on staff that 361 00:17:33,320 --> 00:17:35,959 Speaker 2: needs to maybe remind Zac at times of Hey, I 362 00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:38,159 Speaker 2: know things are going crazy here, but just so you know, 363 00:17:38,680 --> 00:17:39,879 Speaker 2: you know, we're at the point of the game and 364 00:17:39,920 --> 00:17:42,399 Speaker 2: he's got two touches. The other thing to me is 365 00:17:42,440 --> 00:17:46,520 Speaker 2: wide receiver number three. Austin alluded to some statistics earlier 366 00:17:46,800 --> 00:17:49,919 Speaker 2: about the lack of separation by Andre Yoshi Vash, not 367 00:17:50,080 --> 00:17:55,400 Speaker 2: making contested catches and the drop totals that he's had 368 00:17:55,440 --> 00:17:58,000 Speaker 2: this year. And at the same time, Mitchell Tinsley is 369 00:17:58,400 --> 00:18:01,040 Speaker 2: not getting many reps. Jermaine, who I think had a 370 00:18:01,040 --> 00:18:03,960 Speaker 2: good training camp, he was drafted in the third round, 371 00:18:04,080 --> 00:18:07,000 Speaker 2: is not getting an opportunity. Does this team need to 372 00:18:07,040 --> 00:18:10,080 Speaker 2: evaluate wide receiver number three in your opinion? 373 00:18:11,280 --> 00:18:14,280 Speaker 4: So we spoke with Andrea Yoshibotz yesterday and you can 374 00:18:14,320 --> 00:18:15,320 Speaker 4: find those clips. 375 00:18:15,320 --> 00:18:20,080 Speaker 3: And it was interesting that it didn't feel like Andre 376 00:18:20,480 --> 00:18:26,200 Speaker 3: fully understood the criticism that was starting to come his way. 377 00:18:26,280 --> 00:18:30,919 Speaker 3: That I'm not sure he's aware that the finger pointing 378 00:18:30,960 --> 00:18:33,760 Speaker 3: in the crosshairs that he's in with the fan base 379 00:18:33,800 --> 00:18:38,040 Speaker 3: at this point, which I found interesting from him not 380 00:18:38,600 --> 00:18:41,680 Speaker 3: knowing that or having a cent that that's happening. The 381 00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:44,959 Speaker 3: issue I would have with wide receiver number three is 382 00:18:45,240 --> 00:18:50,440 Speaker 3: who fits the profile of filling in that position from 383 00:18:50,480 --> 00:18:54,760 Speaker 3: watching Jermaine Burton, Jermaine Burton didn't look like he would 384 00:18:54,800 --> 00:18:58,680 Speaker 3: be successful as a slot wide receiver in that short 385 00:18:58,720 --> 00:18:59,720 Speaker 3: space separation. 386 00:19:01,160 --> 00:19:02,159 Speaker 4: I didn't see it. 387 00:19:02,240 --> 00:19:05,440 Speaker 3: He looks like an outside receiver to me, So I 388 00:19:05,760 --> 00:19:08,000 Speaker 3: don't know if there's really a position for him to 389 00:19:08,040 --> 00:19:11,440 Speaker 3: go in and fill in for Andrea yoshi Vas. The 390 00:19:11,480 --> 00:19:14,000 Speaker 3: same thing goes with Mitchell Tinsey. Mitchell Tinsey looks like 391 00:19:14,040 --> 00:19:17,920 Speaker 3: an outside wide receiver option. I'm not sure he exactly 392 00:19:17,920 --> 00:19:21,000 Speaker 3: fits the profile what they're looking for at a guy 393 00:19:21,119 --> 00:19:23,280 Speaker 3: at that spot, And I think that's why you've seen 394 00:19:23,320 --> 00:19:26,359 Speaker 3: them stick with Andrea Yoshibat through a lot of his 395 00:19:26,440 --> 00:19:29,160 Speaker 3: struggles here so far this season. You know, he talked 396 00:19:29,160 --> 00:19:31,479 Speaker 3: in the off season, even Joe Burrow did, about his 397 00:19:31,560 --> 00:19:35,399 Speaker 3: ability and his growth in making contested catches, and it 398 00:19:35,560 --> 00:19:38,680 Speaker 3: just hasn't shown up so far in games this year. 399 00:19:39,119 --> 00:19:41,600 Speaker 4: But even if Mitchell Tindley and. 400 00:19:41,640 --> 00:19:45,080 Speaker 3: Jermaine Burton don't fit the profile necessarily of what the 401 00:19:45,080 --> 00:19:49,080 Speaker 3: Bengals are looking for from a third wide receiver, maybe 402 00:19:49,080 --> 00:19:51,840 Speaker 3: maybe that's something they have to work on more. Maybe 403 00:19:51,880 --> 00:19:55,159 Speaker 3: that's something they have to experiment more with during practice, 404 00:19:55,359 --> 00:19:57,800 Speaker 3: And maybe that's something during the bye week that they 405 00:19:57,840 --> 00:20:00,000 Speaker 3: spend a lot of time on to give someone else 406 00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:03,679 Speaker 3: a shot, because even if they don't profile as well 407 00:20:04,240 --> 00:20:07,600 Speaker 3: as a Yoshi vas or a Tyler Boyd at that 408 00:20:07,720 --> 00:20:11,320 Speaker 3: position the third receiver next to Te and Jamar Chase, 409 00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:15,879 Speaker 3: certainly someone else could be more productive in that spot 410 00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:19,280 Speaker 3: because Andre and the drops right now just aren't good 411 00:20:19,400 --> 00:20:21,760 Speaker 3: enough and the team needs more from him. And then 412 00:20:21,920 --> 00:20:23,960 Speaker 3: as far as he goes, yeah, just throwing the ball board, 413 00:20:24,600 --> 00:20:26,680 Speaker 3: I think when you go look at the box square 414 00:20:26,760 --> 00:20:28,080 Speaker 3: to the game, the coaches are going to look at 415 00:20:28,119 --> 00:20:30,280 Speaker 3: each other and say, Okay, how many targets to Jamar 416 00:20:30,800 --> 00:20:34,560 Speaker 3: and only two to Te. They invested way too much 417 00:20:34,600 --> 00:20:36,240 Speaker 3: money in that guy for him owing to get the 418 00:20:36,280 --> 00:20:38,919 Speaker 3: ball thrown to him twice before. 419 00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:41,800 Speaker 2: I let you go, Joe. The UC Bearcats head to 420 00:20:42,160 --> 00:20:46,359 Speaker 2: Utah late start Saturday night. They're getting nine and a 421 00:20:46,480 --> 00:20:50,240 Speaker 2: half points in this game. Why is this a tough 422 00:20:50,240 --> 00:20:51,280 Speaker 2: matchup in your opinion? 423 00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:55,280 Speaker 3: Because of the way Utah runs the ball and their 424 00:20:55,280 --> 00:20:57,560 Speaker 3: philosophy on offense. Now, a lot of this is going 425 00:20:57,600 --> 00:21:01,200 Speaker 3: to hinge on Utah's quarterback Devin dan Pier. He did 426 00:21:01,240 --> 00:21:03,600 Speaker 3: not play last week. They played a true freshman, and 427 00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:08,000 Speaker 3: he was electric against Colorado. Now that was Colorado. When 428 00:21:08,040 --> 00:21:10,119 Speaker 3: it looks like Colorado let go of the rope about 429 00:21:10,119 --> 00:21:14,480 Speaker 3: midway through the second quarter. But the way that Utah plays, 430 00:21:14,560 --> 00:21:18,159 Speaker 3: the physicality on offense, their commitment to running the ball 431 00:21:18,720 --> 00:21:21,159 Speaker 3: is going to be a strength on what's been a 432 00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:24,520 Speaker 3: bit of a soft spot for UC defensively. So I 433 00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:27,439 Speaker 3: can understand why the point spread is the way it is, 434 00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:30,880 Speaker 3: but I think it hinges on how healthy is Devin 435 00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:34,480 Speaker 3: Dan Pierce Ankle. Will he be himself, because when he's himself, 436 00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:38,679 Speaker 3: he's as dangerous of a two way threat as anybody 437 00:21:38,800 --> 00:21:43,119 Speaker 3: in the conference. That includes Brendan Sorsby, but Storesby and 438 00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:46,080 Speaker 3: that offense gives you see a chance against anybody in 439 00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:46,840 Speaker 3: this conference. 440 00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:49,359 Speaker 4: I think that the point total to spread. 441 00:21:49,119 --> 00:21:51,600 Speaker 3: Right now is too high, but I think that really 442 00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:54,600 Speaker 3: does depend on what they get out of their quarterback 443 00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:55,160 Speaker 3: at Utah. 444 00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:58,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, Joe Daniman Fox nineteen. What do you got coming 445 00:21:58,280 --> 00:21:58,680 Speaker 2: up this week? 446 00:21:58,760 --> 00:21:59,000 Speaker 4: Joe? 447 00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:05,840 Speaker 6: Gentlemen, The yeat streak has been extended three times by 448 00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:09,040 Speaker 6: a total of six different people at the game, including 449 00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:13,719 Speaker 6: a row of four guys who all yelled yeat. 450 00:22:13,119 --> 00:22:17,200 Speaker 3: At the exact same time. At the Stadium, which was awesome. 451 00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:21,520 Speaker 3: Wednesday Night Live at Newport on the Levee, Orlando Brown 452 00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:24,080 Speaker 3: Junior and Amrius. 453 00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:27,800 Speaker 4: Mim will join in our live Bengals show on. 454 00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:31,879 Speaker 3: Wednesday night and then Friday night, Halloween Night, high school. 455 00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:33,960 Speaker 4: Football playoffs, the final quarter of Baby. You can't miss it. 456 00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:38,040 Speaker 2: Awesome, awesome stuff. Always appreciate your time, Joe. We'll talk 457 00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:38,840 Speaker 2: again next week. 458 00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:41,000 Speaker 5: Thanks Joe. 459 00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:44,080 Speaker 2: Here, Duke, that's Joe Daniman. This is since he three 460 00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:46,720 Speaker 2: to sixty. Your talkbacks are next on ESPN fifteen to 461 00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:48,119 Speaker 2: thirty Cincinnati Sports Station. 462 00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:50,680 Speaker 4: Now your chance to win FL