WEBVTT - HR 1 - Josh Yohe Talking Penguins 

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<v Speaker 1>I like this soundbite.

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<v Speaker 2>Here's Jeremy Bernard talking about the demanding nature of being

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<v Speaker 2>a rookie receiver playing for Aaron Rodgers.

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<v Speaker 3>Learning as much as I can, getting him to trust me.

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<v Speaker 3>He sees that I put in the work to prepare

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<v Speaker 3>how I'm supposed to. interrogates me every single week. Like, literally,

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<v Speaker 3>I swear it's like an interrogation. He's like, we go

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<v Speaker 3>into the offensive meeting. He's like, all right, Jerm, you're up.

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<v Speaker 1>And he's like, all right, well.

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<v Speaker 3>He's like, name the players on their defense. Name the

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<v Speaker 3>scheme on their defense. Name these plays in the game plan.

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<v Speaker 1>I love the use of the word interrogation. Interrogation.

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<v Speaker 2>It sounds like there's a single bare light bulb hanging

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<v Speaker 2>over Bernard's head when Rodgers talks to him.

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<v Speaker 1>And maybe thumbscrews or a standing cell. You better get

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<v Speaker 1>it right, Rook. I'm not being critical. I like it.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's learn together.

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<v Speaker 2>Being demanding is an element that's missing today in sports

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<v Speaker 2>with coaching and leadership.

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<v Speaker 1>So good for Rodgers, good for Bernard. And good for

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<v Speaker 1>Christian Kuntz.

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<v Speaker 2>The long snapper, that was a soundbite from Kuntz's podcast,

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<v Speaker 2>which is very good. He's a Duquesne grad like me,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'd have him on the show, except what do

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<v Speaker 2>you ask a long snapper about? Hey, how about that

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<v Speaker 2>long snapping? And then crickets. 833-412-WXDX, get your calls in.

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<v Speaker 2>We have Yowie at the bottom of the hour talking hockey.

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<v Speaker 2>We have Tim Benz at 4 o'clock talking Stillers. We

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<v Speaker 2>have King Jameson of the Post-Gazette at 4.30 talking hockey.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's go to Chris from New Jersey. Chris, you're on

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<v Speaker 1>with Mark.

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<v Speaker 4>Good day, sir.

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<v Speaker 1>I said good day.

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<v Speaker 5>Hey, Mark, that Chicago game was hugely disappointing, as you'd

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<v Speaker 5>mentioned before. You know, the players have got to execute,

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<v Speaker 5>but the coach, you know, the lineup decisions don't make

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<v Speaker 5>any sense to me. Why is Elmer Soderblom not in

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<v Speaker 5>that line?

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<v Speaker 2>The coach ain't losing the game. Elmer Soderblom's a bum.

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<v Speaker 2>Who cares if he plays or not? You're really thinking

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<v Speaker 2>Elmer Soderblom makes a difference. You're really thinking Elmer Soderblom

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<v Speaker 2>not playing is why they lost to Chicago.

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<v Speaker 5>Hey, Mark, let me just say, why is Nick Robertson

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<v Speaker 5>on the fourth line?

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<v Speaker 1>No, now there you're talking.

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<v Speaker 2>He keeps getting demoted. Now he's on Kendall's line, but

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<v Speaker 2>Kendall needs to play with Chinnikov.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a hill I'll die on.

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<v Speaker 6>Chinnikov's not delivering.

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<v Speaker 2>No, Chinnikov is being slowed down by Tommy Novak, who

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<v Speaker 2>is playing very well, but he's very east-west. Malkin, who's

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<v Speaker 2>slow and plays east-west. But we've got to have the

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<v Speaker 2>Russians play together. I think that's in the Bible. I

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<v Speaker 2>think that's in the Book of Lenin. Or wait, that's

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<v Speaker 2>the Communist Manifesto. Or maybe it's Miles' Red Book. Why

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<v Speaker 2>do the Russians have to play together?

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<v Speaker 4>It's a homer take. What's that? It's a homer take, Mark.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm sorry. What are you talking about? It's not what's happening.

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<v Speaker 5>Malkin has to play.

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<v Speaker 4>He doesn't.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, no, so you're saying I'm right?

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<v Speaker 6>No.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so how am I wrong? So you think Malkin

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<v Speaker 1>has to play with Chino?

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<v Speaker 5>They win when he's in the lineup.

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<v Speaker 1>Dude, you're a moron. You think this all boils down

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<v Speaker 1>to Soderblom.

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<v Speaker 2>You could not be more effing stupid, but I knew

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<v Speaker 2>that when I heard you were from New Jersey.

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<v Speaker 1>Goodbye, F off. Yeah, Elmer Soderblom. Play him and you'll win.

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<v Speaker 1>Everybody knows that.

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<v Speaker 2>If the Canadians of the 70s were at Soderblom, they

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<v Speaker 2>would have.

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<v Speaker 1>Won more than just the four cups in a row.

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<v Speaker 1>What the frig am I dealing with? 105.9. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>think so. Oh, I know so. The X at 105.9.

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<v Speaker 1>Penguins at Denver on Friday. That's tomorrow. At Vegas on Saturday.

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<v Speaker 2>Joining me now to talk about it because it feels

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<v Speaker 2>like impending doom. From the Athletic, it's Penguins beat writer

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<v Speaker 2>Josh Owey. Josh, I had a caller say if the

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<v Speaker 2>Penguins played Elmer Soderblom, they'd win all the time.

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<v Speaker 1>That when he plays, they win. It's that simple. Do

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<v Speaker 1>you agree?

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<v Speaker 6>Well, it looks like he's going to be in the

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<v Speaker 6>lineup tomorrow night, Mark. So we're going to find out.

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<v Speaker 6>And I mean, they are 2-0 with Elmer in the lineup.

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<v Speaker 6>So I guess that's the magic solution. I find it

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<v Speaker 6>a little curious that he has been out of the

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<v Speaker 6>lineup so much.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't think it's that simple.

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<v Speaker 6>However, of course, all the readers are telling me that

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<v Speaker 6>I'm wrong about Billy Kloivin and he's the next Marcel

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<v Speaker 6>Dion and I'm not giving him a chance.

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<v Speaker 4>So I don't even know at this point, Mark.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought the loss at Chicago was as aggravating as

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<v Speaker 2>it gets. I hate tweeted the whole game. That's just inexcusable,

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<v Speaker 2>isn't it?

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<v Speaker 6>I'll tell you what, Mark, that locker room after the game,

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<v Speaker 6>it felt like a playoff loss more than a regular

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<v Speaker 6>season loss. That's how unhappy I think people were with themselves.

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<v Speaker 6>It's not like Chicago did anything well in that game,

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<v Speaker 6>and it's not like they're a good team.

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<v Speaker 4>They're really not. And the Penguins, just the self-inflicted wounds.

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<v Speaker 6>I mean, from the horrible goal Miroslav allowed to, you know,

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<v Speaker 6>coughing up the puck 20 seconds into the game in

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<v Speaker 6>front of your own net. The power play just looking pathetic, really.

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<v Speaker 6>We can go on and on, but that was a

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<v Speaker 6>really poor performance, especially... uh as you foreshadowed look at

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<v Speaker 6>the schedule the next week now that's the one game

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<v Speaker 6>on the road trip that boy you really should win

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<v Speaker 6>that one and you'd like to start a trip like

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<v Speaker 6>this with two points in the bag so um no

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<v Speaker 6>it was it was just a brutal performance and more

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<v Speaker 6>than anything mark like we can talk about the x's

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<v Speaker 6>and o's and the decision making it's the second time

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<v Speaker 6>in the last week that dan muse has called out

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<v Speaker 6>his team's effort i don't remember him doing that one

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<v Speaker 6>time all of last season that's as aggravated as i've

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<v Speaker 6>seen him after a game.

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<v Speaker 2>Like Malkin said, the Penguins underestimate bad teams, and on

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<v Speaker 2>top of that, I'll add, they're pretty close to being

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<v Speaker 2>a bad team themselves. They overestimate who they are and

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<v Speaker 2>what they got. They're a lot closer to being Chicago

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<v Speaker 2>than they are to being Dallas.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, I appreciate Chino's honesty, but at the same time,

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<v Speaker 6>why would they ever overlook somebody, especially the way they look?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, and at the same time, he mailed it in, too.

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<v Speaker 4>It wasn't his best game. I mean, nobody played well.

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<v Speaker 4>I thought Sid was good. That's about it. I mean,

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<v Speaker 4>it was slim pickings if you're looking to see who

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<v Speaker 4>played well. But that's a real problem.

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<v Speaker 6>If the Penguins really did just overlook the Blackhawks and

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<v Speaker 6>think it was an easy two points, I would start

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<v Speaker 6>with Geno and the rest of the veterans.

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<v Speaker 4>They're the leaders of that team.

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<v Speaker 6>And if they sensed beforehand that they were overconfident, that's

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<v Speaker 6>a real problem. Because you're right. The Penguins are not

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<v Speaker 6>some team on... on other teams' schedules where they say,

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<v Speaker 6>oh boy, it's going.

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<v Speaker 4>To be a rough night.

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<v Speaker 6>I mean, they're not in that upper echelon and they

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<v Speaker 6>haven't been for a long time. So I appreciated the

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<v Speaker 6>candidness of what he said, but boy, it really struck

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<v Speaker 6>me as a strange comment because they shouldn't be taking

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<v Speaker 6>any wins for granted, especially the way they've looked since

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<v Speaker 6>the home opener in the last 10 days, or since

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<v Speaker 6>the opener rather. It's been a brutal stretch of hockey

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<v Speaker 6>except for the game against Dallas.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and it doesn't speak well that Sid snapped out

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<v Speaker 2>of it, at least for night. He scored twice, but

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<v Speaker 2>the rest of the team was terrible. The captain led,

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<v Speaker 2>nobody followed. That speaks very badly.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, it does.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, it really does.

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<v Speaker 6>It was nice to see him break out, but I

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<v Speaker 6>just didn't see a team playing with any passion at all. Like,

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<v Speaker 6>they were just lethargic all night, just going through the motions.

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<v Speaker 6>I honestly don't recall one effective forecheck or one legitimate

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<v Speaker 6>body check that I saw all night. I don't know

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<v Speaker 6>if I'd say they mailed it in. That might be

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<v Speaker 6>a little too strong, but very much going through the motions.

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<v Speaker 6>And I'm telling you, I know it's October. I realize

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<v Speaker 6>it's early. There's an 84-game season. But after the way

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<v Speaker 6>they've played, especially in the games against Washington, Columbus, Winnipeg,

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<v Speaker 6>Those games should represent a red flag, and they should

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<v Speaker 6>really be trying to get their act together right now.

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<v Speaker 6>Just because they played one good game against Dallas obviously

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<v Speaker 6>didn't mean all their problems were solved.

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<v Speaker 4>And if they thought that, they very much thought wrong.

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<v Speaker 4>It was just a terrible performance all the way around.

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<v Speaker 2>Are we overestimating Sergei Morozov? Because that was a terrible

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<v Speaker 2>goal at the end, not a great night overall. I

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<v Speaker 2>know he's a rookie. Maybe we're expecting too much too soon.

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<v Speaker 4>Probably.

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<v Speaker 6>I might be guilty of that, too, because you see

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<v Speaker 6>him in practice, you see him in training camp, you

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<v Speaker 6>see the natural talent and the athleticism, and it's easy

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<v Speaker 6>to get seduced into thinking this kid's going to.

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<v Speaker 4>Be a star, and maybe he will be someday. He's

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<v Speaker 4>not yet.

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<v Speaker 6>I had somebody in the Penguins organization about a week

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<v Speaker 6>ago tell me when he connects all the dots, he's

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<v Speaker 6>going to be great, but he probably hasn't connected all

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<v Speaker 6>the dots just yet.

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<v Speaker 4>And that's what happens with rookie goaltenders.

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<v Speaker 6>He sold them a point in Columbus, but he also

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<v Speaker 6>gave away a point in Chicago because that's about as

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<v Speaker 6>bad of a goal as you will see an NHL

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<v Speaker 6>goaltender allow. I would imagine we will next see him

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<v Speaker 6>in Vegas on Saturday night. That will be a tall

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<v Speaker 6>order against that team. I'm very curious just from a

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<v Speaker 6>mental standpoint to see how he bounces back because that's

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<v Speaker 6>going to be on his mind, obviously, giving up a

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<v Speaker 6>goal that bad. and now you get to play one

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<v Speaker 6>of the best teams in the league on the road. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 6>maybe we'll learn a little bit about his mindset and

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<v Speaker 6>just where he is by how he plays on Saturday night.

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<v Speaker 2>Here's something I don't like to see, and I haven't

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<v Speaker 2>been too critical of Mews. I think he's mostly doing

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<v Speaker 2>a good job. But Nick Robertson keeps scoring and keeps

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<v Speaker 2>getting demoted. What's up with that? That tells the room

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<v Speaker 2>it's about who you are, not how you play.

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<v Speaker 6>How many times in NHL history... has a guy on

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<v Speaker 6>the wing, started on the first line, scored four goals

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<v Speaker 6>on the first seven games of the season, and been

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<v Speaker 6>demoted to the fourth line during that stretch. That couldn't

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<v Speaker 6>have possibly happened very often. He made one mistake that

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<v Speaker 6>I can recall. He had a bad turnover in the

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<v Speaker 6>Winnipeg game, led to an Adam Lowry goal.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay.

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<v Speaker 6>If we were demoting people based on the mistakes that

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<v Speaker 6>they've made or the turnovers that they've committed... These guys

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<v Speaker 6>would all be in Naples right now playing in the ECHL.

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<v Speaker 6>I mean, it's just odd to me that he has

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<v Speaker 6>been singled out like this. And I can tell you,

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<v Speaker 6>based on practice today, it looks like he'll be on

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<v Speaker 6>the third line with Kendall. So I guess he's moving

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<v Speaker 6>back up the lineup a little bit.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't get it.

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<v Speaker 6>I think the guy plays really hard. He's got four

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<v Speaker 6>goals in seven games. From the first day of training camp,

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<v Speaker 6>he's been really good. He's been a positive. Really odd

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<v Speaker 6>to me the way they've deployed him.

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<v Speaker 2>Also odd to me is that Chinnikov has become the

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<v Speaker 2>third option on that line with Malkin and Novak. Those guys,

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<v Speaker 2>to me, are too slow for Chinnikov to play with.

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<v Speaker 2>I would pair Kendall with Chinnikov. I'd put the young,

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<v Speaker 2>dynamic guys on the same line.

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<v Speaker 6>I'd like to see something different. You asked me about

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<v Speaker 6>Chinnikov last week, too. At that point, his game wasn't

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<v Speaker 6>really bothering me, nor was his usage, even though he

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<v Speaker 6>only had the one goal. In the opener, he had

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<v Speaker 6>the pretty goal against Montreal called back. But the Chicago game,

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<v Speaker 6>especially in the first two periods, Mark, I don't think

0:11:18.200 --> 0:11:21.440
<v Speaker 6>he touched the puck. He was nowhere to be seen

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<v Speaker 6>the first two periods at all. That's a problem.

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<v Speaker 2>Josh, that's part on him, but is that part on

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<v Speaker 2>being the third option? Is that part of being the

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<v Speaker 2>north-south player on an otherwise east-west line?

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<v Speaker 6>It might be, and I will go back to the

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<v Speaker 6>lack of foot speed.

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<v Speaker 4>On that line that you mentioned.

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<v Speaker 6>Not so much with Malkin, because at least those two clicked.

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<v Speaker 4>But maybe with Novak.

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<v Speaker 6>Because Chinnikov, if you go back and look at what

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<v Speaker 6>he did last season, when he scored, he was on

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<v Speaker 6>a 40-goal pace from the second.

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<v Speaker 4>He showed up in Pittsburgh. The majority of his goals

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<v Speaker 4>were on the rush in transition.

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<v Speaker 6>That's where he's at his very best, and we're just

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<v Speaker 6>not seeing that from that line at all right now.

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<v Speaker 6>He's not the kind of guy who's going to score

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<v Speaker 6>a lot of goals working down low or in the

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<v Speaker 6>half-court offense, if you will. He is the guy who

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<v Speaker 6>scores on the rush, and as good as that line

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<v Speaker 6>was last season, I can't say that I've been overly

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<v Speaker 6>impressed with it this season. They've got to do something

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<v Speaker 6>to get him going, and I still would like to

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<v Speaker 6>see him on the top power play, but the way

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<v Speaker 6>he can shoot the puck, to me, that's just a

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<v Speaker 6>weapon that's not being properly utilized, especially when you look

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<v Speaker 6>at how bad the power play's been the last couple

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<v Speaker 6>of games.

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<v Speaker 2>Why I always get told I'm too hard on Malkin

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<v Speaker 2>and there are times maybe I am, but why does

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<v Speaker 2>he always have to play with the other Russian?

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe that's good for Gino. Maybe it's not good for

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<v Speaker 1>the other Russian.

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<v Speaker 2>And the minute that power play struggled, he went right

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<v Speaker 2>back on the top unit.

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<v Speaker 1>And now it's even worse.

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<v Speaker 4>No, there's no doubt about that. And they are a

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<v Speaker 4>shorthanded goal waiting to happen.

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<v Speaker 6>They've given up a number of odd man rushes while

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<v Speaker 6>on the power play the last couple of games. It's

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<v Speaker 6>not just Malkin. It's, When they put all of those

0:12:55.429 --> 0:12:58.510
<v Speaker 6>guys together, we just know what's going to happen. And

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<v Speaker 6>the power play was so bad the other night. They

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<v Speaker 6>can't possibly use that same look again moving forward, even

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<v Speaker 6>though who knows, maybe they will. As for Malkin and Chinnikov,

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<v Speaker 6>I don't know. They haven't had that many Russians over

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<v Speaker 6>the years for them to play with. Why does that matter?

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<v Speaker 1>Why does it matter to either?

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<v Speaker 4>It doesn't. It may be a thousandth.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know that it matters. Maybe that's the coach.

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<v Speaker 6>Way back when, did Jaromir Jagr want Ivan Vlinka to

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<v Speaker 6>be his coach because they were from the same country?

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<v Speaker 6>Sometimes people assume that who are running.

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<v Speaker 4>The show, and maybe they shouldn't. Maybe the coaches thought,

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<v Speaker 4>let's put the two Russian guys together. They'll be comfortable.

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<v Speaker 6>I don't know. But I will say that there was

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<v Speaker 6>a real chemistry between Malkin and Chinnikov last season.

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<v Speaker 4>So I understand going with them to start this season.

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<v Speaker 6>But whatever the case may be, if they don't get

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<v Speaker 6>Chinnikov going, they're going to have a real problem. He's

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<v Speaker 6>probably their most naturally gifted goal scorer, and he's not

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<v Speaker 6>even getting good looks the last couple of games other

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<v Speaker 6>than the one semi-breakaway he had in Chicago.

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<v Speaker 4>He's got to get going at some point here.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought Sid played better at Chicago. The two goals, obviously,

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<v Speaker 2>a godsend. You know what might be killing Sid, Josh?

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<v Speaker 2>Playing with Raquel. Raquel's a corpse out there.

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<v Speaker 4>He really is.

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<v Speaker 6>You could see Sid starting to play better against Dallas

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<v Speaker 6>Saturday night. He didn't have a point in that game,

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<v Speaker 6>but there was a crispness to his game that wasn't there.

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<v Speaker 6>And I really think, I could be wrong, but I

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<v Speaker 6>really think scoring the shootout goal against Dallas did something

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<v Speaker 6>for his confidence level. Even one of the greatest players

0:14:30.030 --> 0:14:33.350
<v Speaker 6>of all time, your confidence can still fluctuate. And he

0:14:33.410 --> 0:14:38.130
<v Speaker 6>looked like Sid against the Blackhawks. That was encouraging. Raquel,

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<v Speaker 6>for lack of a better word, Mark, he just looks slow.

0:14:41.860 --> 0:14:44.800
<v Speaker 6>I mean, he is a step behind in every fashion

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<v Speaker 6>right now, not just in terms of skating, but just

0:14:46.830 --> 0:14:49.490
<v Speaker 6>the way he's seeing the ice. He's a step slow

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<v Speaker 6>getting a shot off. Just everything is in slow motion

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<v Speaker 6>with him. He's never been a burner. He's never been

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<v Speaker 6>a speed guy. But we better keep our eye on him.

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<v Speaker 6>Maybe he's one of those players who is impacted by

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<v Speaker 6>the lack of a training camp. And he's always been

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<v Speaker 6>a little streaky. But boy, I don't like his game

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<v Speaker 6>one bit. And let me throw this out about Raquel.

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<v Speaker 6>I talked with him in training camp about how good

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<v Speaker 6>he was at center last season. And he indicated to

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<v Speaker 6>me that he wouldn't mind playing there again this season,

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<v Speaker 6>that he really enjoyed playing center. If you're thinking about

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<v Speaker 6>fooling around with the lines and maybe sliding Kendall up

0:15:24.170 --> 0:15:27.670
<v Speaker 6>the lineup, not the worst idea to try Raquel at

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<v Speaker 6>center if he continues to struggle with Sid.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, but the.

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<v Speaker 1>Problem with that would be, Does Novak move the wing? No,

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<v Speaker 1>because then he can't play with Malkin.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, if you put Kendall between Novak and Malkin,

0:15:37.910 --> 0:15:40.950
<v Speaker 2>those two are too slow for him. And they base

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<v Speaker 2>the decisions on the comfort for the veterans, not trying

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<v Speaker 2>to improve the young guys.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's a one-way ticket to Palookaville.

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<v Speaker 6>Well, and don't we think that's a problem with the

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<v Speaker 6>Penguins in general right now? I just wrote a column

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<v Speaker 6>at The Athletic a couple of hours about this. You know,

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<v Speaker 6>for a while now, it's as though they can't really

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<v Speaker 6>pick a lane.

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<v Speaker 4>Like, You're going to go with the younger guys.

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<v Speaker 6>You finally bring some up, but then you're signing Trevor

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<v Speaker 6>Van Riemsdyk and Andre Kuzmenko, and people are being blocked,

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<v Speaker 6>and now Koivunen's probably out of the lineup again tomorrow.

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<v Speaker 6>He's been in the lineup the last few games, hasn't

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<v Speaker 6>really played great, but has he really been given a chance?

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<v Speaker 6>You can look at it in so many different directions.

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<v Speaker 6>They just have too many forwards right now. People say

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<v Speaker 6>it's a good problem to have. I'm not so sure.

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<v Speaker 4>That it is. Not the way they're being utilized right now.

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<v Speaker 4>I actually think it's an issue.

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<v Speaker 2>These two games, tomorrow night at Denver, Saturday night here

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<v Speaker 2>in Vegas, they feel like disaster. Like I should bet

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<v Speaker 2>big on the home team both games, maybe parlay Colorado

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<v Speaker 2>and the over. I feel like the Avalanche, Josh, are

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<v Speaker 2>the worst possible matchup for the Penguins in the entire league.

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<v Speaker 6>They might be, of course. The Penguins did beat the

0:16:52.520 --> 0:16:54.300
<v Speaker 6>hell out of them in Denver last season. Then the

0:16:54.340 --> 0:16:57.400
<v Speaker 6>game Malcolm came back from the suspension. So stranger things

0:16:57.440 --> 0:17:00.700
<v Speaker 6>have happened. But yeah, I think the Penguins, and you

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<v Speaker 6>saw Dallas last week, is not a fast team for

0:17:03.180 --> 0:17:05.500
<v Speaker 6>as good as they are. And the Penguins, I think,

0:17:05.580 --> 0:17:07.440
<v Speaker 6>are more equipped to handle teams like that.

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<v Speaker 4>If you look at the schedule.

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<v Speaker 6>Coming up, not just those two games, but then you

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<v Speaker 6>have Monday night in Salt Lake City against a team

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<v Speaker 6>that I think is really, really good. In all seriousness,

0:17:17.850 --> 0:17:19.470
<v Speaker 6>if the Penguins find a way to get two points

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<v Speaker 6>in the next three games, I honestly think that's a victory.

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<v Speaker 6>And I know that's setting the expectations really low. But

0:17:26.119 --> 0:17:27.500
<v Speaker 6>these are three of the best teams in the league.

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<v Speaker 6>You're not playing while you're on the road playing three

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<v Speaker 6>games in four nights. It's a nightmare setup for the Penguins.

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<v Speaker 4>It really is.

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<v Speaker 6>So we'll see how they respond. They did play very

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<v Speaker 6>well against Dallas. They beat Montreal. So they've played well

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<v Speaker 6>against good teams in the early going. There's something to

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<v Speaker 6>be said for that, but I would be pretty concerned

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<v Speaker 6>for their chances right now. I don't like the looks

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<v Speaker 6>of this team right now, and I sure don't like

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<v Speaker 6>the schedule.

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<v Speaker 2>Jesus, I forgot there at Utah Monday night. Good God

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<v Speaker 2>in the goose fat, that don't bode well either. If

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<v Speaker 2>this goes sideways, what does Dubas do? I'm not talking

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<v Speaker 2>about these three games, but what if they lose, say,

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<v Speaker 2>six of their next seven?

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<v Speaker 6>Well, if they lose six of the next seven, or

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<v Speaker 6>even moving beyond that, if we get into November and

0:18:17.050 --> 0:18:20.090
<v Speaker 6>they're well out of playoff position, I don't think he'll

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<v Speaker 6>hesitate to sell at the right cost. It's going to

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<v Speaker 6>happen at some point before the trade deadline if this

0:18:27.190 --> 0:18:30.239
<v Speaker 6>team is well out of a playoff spot. Kyle's not

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<v Speaker 6>really the kind of guy who makes a move for

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<v Speaker 6>the sake of shaking up the locker room, so I

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<v Speaker 6>don't necessarily foresee a move like that. Could a Rucker

0:18:37.770 --> 0:18:41.250
<v Speaker 6>McGordy get recalled? Apparently he's played really well at Wilkes-Barre

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<v Speaker 6>so far. Something like that, sure. I don't necessarily think

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<v Speaker 6>there will be a trade to get rid of anyone

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<v Speaker 6>or wake people up. But if this team's around the holidays,

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<v Speaker 6>if they're well out of playoff spot contention, yeah, Eric

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<v Speaker 6>Carlson's going to get traded. Russ or Raquel might get traded.

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<v Speaker 6>It's a matter of time before that would start to happen,

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<v Speaker 6>I would think.

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<v Speaker 1>Are you reading anything into Sid not having signed an

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<v Speaker 1>extension yet?

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<v Speaker 6>I think all that means, I don't really think it's

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<v Speaker 6>based on the Penguins or how well they're playing or

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<v Speaker 6>what their future even looks like at this point. I

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<v Speaker 6>really don't think he'll ever want to play anywhere else.

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<v Speaker 6>I don't think he knows how long he wants to

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<v Speaker 6>play for. And I really think he wanted to get

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<v Speaker 6>some hockey under his belt to see how his body felt.

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<v Speaker 4>And then maybe make that decision moving forward. I don't

0:19:29.760 --> 0:19:30.540
<v Speaker 4>think he wants.

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<v Speaker 1>To hang on if he's not playing at the level he.

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<v Speaker 6>Is accustomed to. No, the great ones rarely do. And

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<v Speaker 6>I think he'll play at least one more season after

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<v Speaker 6>this one. Beyond that, I really think it depends on

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<v Speaker 6>how his body feels, if he's enjoying himself and what

0:19:46.890 --> 0:19:49.429
<v Speaker 6>level he's playing at. He doesn't necessarily need to be

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<v Speaker 6>this good. to keep playing in the NHL, but God

0:19:53.170 --> 0:19:54.950
<v Speaker 6>bless him. He's not going to be Brian Traudier in

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<v Speaker 6>a third-line center just hanging on.

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<v Speaker 4>That's not going to be Sid either.

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<v Speaker 2>Josh, on Sunday, you'll be watching NFL football in a

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<v Speaker 2>sportsbook with me and Mr.

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<v Speaker 5>Right.

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<v Speaker 6>And I'm confident that it'll be a very productive afternoon

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<v Speaker 6>for me.

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<v Speaker 2>in eight games. It's about how his defense has been playing,

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<v Speaker 2>and Talk uses an unusual choice of words.

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<v Speaker 7>If you watched us last night, there's four instances where

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<v Speaker 7>a D or a two, I can't use the word,

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<v Speaker 7>they're two, you know, if you've ever heard the word,

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<v Speaker 7>I can't say it.

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<v Speaker 4>I can say it. They're too horny, right?

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<v Speaker 7>They're just, they get up in the play and they

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<v Speaker 7>just get, so you have to just slow your skating down, right?

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<v Speaker 7>The delay comes and then you skew your skating so

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<v Speaker 7>you time it right and then you get your shot.

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<v Speaker 4>We were getting it too close.

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<v Speaker 1>That's funny.

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<v Speaker 4>Horny.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not the word I'd use to describe the Flyers.

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<v Speaker 2>I'd more likely go with impotent. Ain't enough new flow

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<v Speaker 2>in the world when you're winless in eight games. there

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<v Speaker 2>was a rumor the Dodgers might bench Shoei Ohtani, who's

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<v Speaker 2>a little nicked up and hasn't been hitting. And a

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<v Speaker 2>good amount of the baseball media and fans ran with

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<v Speaker 2>that possibility, which was never a possibility, and it didn't happen.

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<v Speaker 2>Here's Michael Wilbon on PTI talking about it. It was

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<v Speaker 2>never a consideration of pulling him out of the damn lineup.

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<v Speaker 1>This is what is awful about today's reporting.

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<v Speaker 2>That people have no sense of skepticism.

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<v Speaker 1>They're just like lap dogs.

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<v Speaker 2>And whatever somebody says into a microphone, they take.

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<v Speaker 1>What?

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<v Speaker 2>Would you and I have thought that Cal Ripken was

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<v Speaker 2>going to come out of a lineup if.

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<v Speaker 1>The Orioles are in the World Series? We would have

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<v Speaker 1>turned around.

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<v Speaker 2>We would have laughed on the way back to the

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<v Speaker 2>press box and reported what we knew.

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<v Speaker 6>To be true.

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<v Speaker 1>This is nonsense. Shohei Ohtani was never leaving the lineup,

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<v Speaker 1>but he is hurt. And you've got to go with him.

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<v Speaker 1>He's Shohei's the greatest player in baseball.

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<v Speaker 2>What Wilbon said, that's 100% true. And let me add

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<v Speaker 2>the obvious. Somebody made that up. It was never going

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<v Speaker 2>to happen. There was never a possibility. It was never

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<v Speaker 2>considered about benching Shoei Ohtani. It's fabricated by unscrupulous media

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<v Speaker 2>for the sake of content, to fill time. The guy

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<v Speaker 2>down the dial does it all the damn time. You fabricate,

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<v Speaker 2>and then you support or refute.

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<v Speaker 1>It's fiction. I don't know, maybe you like it, but

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<v Speaker 1>I don't do it, and I never will.

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<v Speaker 2>Did anybody really believe Eli might bench Shoei Ohtani in

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<v Speaker 2>the NLCS? Their best guy, arguably the best player of

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<v Speaker 2>his generation, did they think he might get benched, and

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<v Speaker 2>did they consider what the fallout might be after he

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<v Speaker 2>was with Ohtani? Ohtani could lose a leg, and he'd

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<v Speaker 2>still be in there, but that's the media today. We

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<v Speaker 2>got Tim Benz up next, and just to reiterate from before,

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<v Speaker 2>Milly Wacke is on the verge of sweeping LA out

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<v Speaker 2>of the NLCS and getting to the World Series.

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<v Speaker 1>So the World Series, if that happens, is going to be.

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<v Speaker 2>Lower budget, smaller market teams, either Cleveland or Tampa from

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<v Speaker 2>the American League against Milwaukee from the National.

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<v Speaker 1>And people say, well.

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<v Speaker 2>That means that the players could point at that and

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<v Speaker 2>say you won't need a salary cap and they'll be

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<v Speaker 2>right and the owners will have no choice.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm pretty sure they'll have a choice.

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<v Speaker 2>The result of one series doesn't skew what the owners

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<v Speaker 2>and players want.

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<v Speaker 1>It doesn't at all. People will say, yeah, you've got

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<v Speaker 1>to look at that, but they won't.

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<v Speaker 2>The guys negotiating the CBA won't, and that's what matters,

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<v Speaker 2>what they will or won't do, not what you think

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<v Speaker 2>or what people make up.

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<v Speaker 1>We are in a weird time for sports media, kids.

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