WEBVTT - Dusty Baker (6-19-26) 

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<v Speaker 1>And now an exclusive interview with David Bassey for Dodger Talker.

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<v Speaker 1>There's certain people in the world that don't know just

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<v Speaker 1>the effect they have on others. Even if you meet

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<v Speaker 1>them for a minute, they make you feel like you've

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<v Speaker 1>known them for a lifetime. And that's certainly the case

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<v Speaker 1>with our next guest, and he is. I mean, I

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<v Speaker 1>could go through his whole baseball resume here, but I'm

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<v Speaker 1>just gonna get it really quick. He's won of nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>people to win a World Series as a player and

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<v Speaker 1>a manager. He was part of the first Quarteta teammates

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<v Speaker 1>to hit thirty home runs. You know, that was with

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<v Speaker 1>the Dodgers in nineteen seventy seven. He was on deck

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<v Speaker 1>when Hank Aaron hit his seven hundred and fifteenth home run.

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<v Speaker 1>He was standing out there in left field for eight

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<v Speaker 1>years at Dodger stating with bubblegum at his feet because

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<v Speaker 1>fans loved him so much they were throwing him bubblegum.

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<v Speaker 1>And how about this, In the day and age where

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<v Speaker 1>it's acceptable to strike out two hundred times, this guy

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<v Speaker 1>not only never struck one hundred times in the season,

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<v Speaker 1>he never struck out ninety times in a season. And Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>by the way, one two and eighty three games, managed

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<v Speaker 1>over four thousand games and was three time manager of

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<v Speaker 1>the Year.

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<v Speaker 2>And he was my favorite Dodger growing up.

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<v Speaker 1>And that is the one and only Johnny b Dusty Baker,

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<v Speaker 1>who's got a brand new book out. It's out there

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<v Speaker 1>now you can buy to Barnes and Noble Amazon. It's

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<v Speaker 1>title Crossroads, a Memoir in Baseball and Life and what

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<v Speaker 1>a life Dusty Baker is sharing with us.

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<v Speaker 2>Dusty, awesome to have you on the show.

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<v Speaker 1>And you mean so much to me, and it's it's

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<v Speaker 1>such a great read to just read your life and

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<v Speaker 1>what made you the person that you are.

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<v Speaker 2>So thank you for coming on.

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<v Speaker 3>Man, no problem, Man, I didn't. I didn't have any idea,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, some of the effects that I would have

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<v Speaker 3>on people, because people have come up to me and

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<v Speaker 3>they say, man, that was that was good for you

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<v Speaker 3>to say that or say this, and I'm going down

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<v Speaker 3>to go feed the homeless after reading what you said,

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<v Speaker 3>or I'm going to donate some money over to the

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<v Speaker 3>church or something. And I was like, man, I didn't

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<v Speaker 3>write it for that purpose. I wrote it, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>to make let people know that I was human and

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<v Speaker 3>that I had been through some of the same things

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<v Speaker 3>that they, you know, had been through, and some of

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<v Speaker 3>the younger people are going to go through what I've

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<v Speaker 3>been through, and you know, maybe it might help them,

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, help them handle things.

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<v Speaker 2>Dusty.

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<v Speaker 1>I was wondering some of the personal things that you

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<v Speaker 1>wrote about the death of your father, going back to

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<v Speaker 1>Africa and seeing the castle where slaves were put in,

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<v Speaker 1>and just the emotions that you shared. Was it difficult

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<v Speaker 1>to rehash some of those old memories and feelings.

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<v Speaker 3>That's a good question, you know, sometime it was. I

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<v Speaker 3>mean it was easy when you're writing about the good times,

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<v Speaker 3>but you know when you have to go back and

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<v Speaker 3>then rekindle and bring back the you know, those emotions

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<v Speaker 3>that you know you had suppressed over so many years,

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<v Speaker 3>and yeah, I mean that was the toughest part of it,

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<v Speaker 3>other than reading the same things over and over and

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<v Speaker 3>over and make sure you got it right. But yeah, exactly,

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<v Speaker 3>that was the hardest part you know, of writing this was,

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<v Speaker 3>like I said, you know, going back, because there were

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<v Speaker 3>times I'd like wake up in the middle of the

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<v Speaker 3>night and I'm like, man, did I you know, why

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<v Speaker 3>did I say that? Or did I say that? Right?

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<v Speaker 3>And I said, no reason. I said it because it

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<v Speaker 3>was true. So, like I said, a lot of people

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<v Speaker 3>going through, you know, a lot of things in this world,

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<v Speaker 3>and hopefully, you know, hope I can help them out some.

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<v Speaker 1>I love that you wrote that you can't just ignore

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<v Speaker 1>history because then history will repeat itself. Being a Cali

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<v Speaker 1>kid and being drafted by the Braves and having to

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<v Speaker 1>go into the Deep South and play for the Braves,

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<v Speaker 1>how did it feel to rehash those memories and the

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<v Speaker 1>adversity that you and some of your black teammates had

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<v Speaker 1>to go through, including the Great Hank Aaron.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, you know something, it wasn't all bad, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, you know, some of it wasn't very pleasant.

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<v Speaker 3>Some of them was actually horrible, but real you don't

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<v Speaker 3>person realizes and then they adapt to the environment and

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<v Speaker 3>where you are at that point in time. And so

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<v Speaker 3>you know, there's not a whole bunch I could have

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<v Speaker 3>done about the you know, the places that I couldn't

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<v Speaker 3>go in or whatever. So I just made the most

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<v Speaker 3>of going to mostly the black places or places where

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<v Speaker 3>I was accepted and and I made it fun and

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<v Speaker 3>it helped that I had, you know, a couple of

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<v Speaker 3>players on the team that were older, well, everybody was

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<v Speaker 3>older almost every team I was on. I was called

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<v Speaker 3>a kid from the very very beginning. But to have

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<v Speaker 3>Hank Aaron, Ralph Guard and especially you know Cido Gaston

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<v Speaker 3>who was a little bit older than Ralph and myself,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, to help us do these things, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>to tell us where to go or where not to go,

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<v Speaker 3>or which part of town to go in white or

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<v Speaker 3>black or because sometimes you know, you'd go to this

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<v Speaker 3>part of town and they could tell you weren't from there,

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<v Speaker 3>or you go over and the other part of town

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<v Speaker 3>and they knew definitely that you were not from there.

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<v Speaker 3>And so you know, it helped a lot. To only

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<v Speaker 3>have players on their team that helped you, but also

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<v Speaker 3>guys on other teams, you know, because we'd go to

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<v Speaker 3>like Salisbury, North Carolina. We'd go to you know, people

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<v Speaker 3>go to green Greenville, North uh, South Carolina, and the

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<v Speaker 3>guys on the team would take us out and tell

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<v Speaker 3>us where to go to and and we do the same,

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<v Speaker 3>you know when they came to visit us in our town.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the voice of Johnny b one of the coolest

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<v Speaker 1>dudes you'll ever meet.

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<v Speaker 2>He's got a great new book.

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<v Speaker 1>Out about his incredible life in baseball and Beyond Crossroads

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<v Speaker 1>is the title. It's available right now. And Dusty, how

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<v Speaker 1>much did playing for the Dodgers open up some of

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<v Speaker 1>the doors to some of the incredible heads of state, musicians,

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<v Speaker 1>actors that you had became friends with.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, you know, when I played with Atlanta, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>that's when I really met you know, most of the

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<v Speaker 3>heads of states. And you know, I'm I met most

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<v Speaker 3>of the black leaders because Hank Aaron was you know,

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<v Speaker 3>was going for the record, so a lot of people

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<v Speaker 3>wanted Hank around or they were coming around in Atlanta.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, there was Maynard Jackson, There's Andrew Andrew Young,

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<v Speaker 3>there was Jimmy Carter, let me see Ted Abernathy and

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<v Speaker 3>just many many more, you know, and a lot of

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<v Speaker 3>entertainers in the South, especially, you know, Gladys Knight and

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<v Speaker 3>James Brown and all these people were coming around to

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<v Speaker 3>see Hank, and I happened to be there. Then when

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<v Speaker 3>I got to La then you saw a different side

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<v Speaker 3>of entertainment. You know, you saw at that time, you

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<v Speaker 3>saw Hollywood, you saw singers and dancers, and uh, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>I had a good life and you know, one of

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<v Speaker 3>the prime stories that I had is when I used

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<v Speaker 3>to go to the barbershop, the same barbershops some of

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<v Speaker 3>the guys like the Gap band, you know, like he

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<v Speaker 3>used to go there and Miles Davis, you know, used

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<v Speaker 3>to go to this barbershop and that was my dad's favorite.

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<v Speaker 3>And I didn't really understand that music when I was young.

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<v Speaker 3>With the older I got, I was like, man, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>now I see why it's attracted his music to my dad.

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<v Speaker 3>And so like at the time, you don't really think

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<v Speaker 3>about that. You know, you don't think about if you're

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<v Speaker 3>a star, because you know, when you're talking to these

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<v Speaker 3>other stars and you realize that they're people just like

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<v Speaker 3>you are, you know, like I came up with some

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<v Speaker 3>good friends out of that, you know, like Ronnie Laws,

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<v Speaker 3>Craig P. Cooper. I mean, these guys I'm still in contact,

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<v Speaker 3>you know with now, and so you realize that they

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<v Speaker 3>need genuine people, just like you need genuine people to

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<v Speaker 3>surround you.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean people now, I mean, these Dodgers are very

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<v Speaker 1>popular in LA, but growing up in LA, my whole life,

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<v Speaker 1>you guys were rock stars. But you're a great person

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<v Speaker 1>to ask this because, like we mentioned, like you've wrote

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<v Speaker 1>about I mean, you've you've met a lot of great people,

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<v Speaker 1>but kept your feet grounded.

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<v Speaker 2>How How did you not allow LA to swallow you up?

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<v Speaker 1>And you still remain focused that baseball was number one

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<v Speaker 1>and if you didn't perform in baseball, nobody would would

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<v Speaker 1>care about this other stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I mean LA was tough, you know, because it's

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<v Speaker 3>hard not to get swallowed up. I mean there was

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<v Speaker 3>a time when I was becoming on that road to

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<v Speaker 3>get swallowed up. And you know, the thing about it

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<v Speaker 3>is you just have to maintain your your you know,

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<v Speaker 3>beliefs and think about how you were raised and especially

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<v Speaker 3>when you're raised in the church, and you know this

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<v Speaker 3>is all temporary. Because the one thing about LA New

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<v Speaker 3>York Chicago, I mean it's it's temporary, you know, for

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<v Speaker 3>the time that you're there. I mean, you know there's

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<v Speaker 3>people that still remember you to this or that, but

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<v Speaker 3>there's always new stars coming out, like almost every day.

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<v Speaker 3>And it was great for me to play in LA

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<v Speaker 3>because I felt like I was born in my career

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<v Speaker 3>in Atlanta, but I turned in two man in my

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<v Speaker 3>career in LA. And the fact that we won, and

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<v Speaker 3>also that I grew up a Dodger fan you know,

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<v Speaker 3>liking Tommy Davis. He was my hero. That's why I

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<v Speaker 3>wear number twelve, and so, you know, because of Tommy Davis.

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<v Speaker 3>And so, you know, we all need heroes, and you

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<v Speaker 3>hope that your hero is a Greek citizen and then

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<v Speaker 3>leaves you in the right direction.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, my hero is and that's Dusty Baker. Not they

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<v Speaker 1>say you don't want to meet your heroes, but meeting

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<v Speaker 1>Dusty Baker, it's everything that it sounds like. And along

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<v Speaker 1>those same lines, Dusty, I heard so many stories about

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<v Speaker 1>how Tommy Lasorda would bring in you know, Captain int

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<v Speaker 1>Neil Sinatra through your clubhouse, Don Rickles.

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<v Speaker 3>What was that like, Well, hey, that's Tommy. I mean

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<v Speaker 3>Tommy always had stars or these two things. He always

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<v Speaker 3>had stars around, and he always had food around. I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>and and once I became a manager, that's one of

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<v Speaker 3>the ways that I tried to unite my team was

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<v Speaker 3>to have food around. You know, you're bringing in different

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<v Speaker 3>food from different cultures and after a while you're like,

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<v Speaker 3>that's pretty good. Wow, man, I didn't know I was

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<v Speaker 3>like that. So, I mean that was real cool. Uh,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, having stars around, I mean, guys would you

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<v Speaker 3>know come around like, uh, I see them now on TV.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, they were little kids then, or Marcus Allen

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<v Speaker 3>would come around and steal my hats out of my

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<v Speaker 3>you know, out of my uh, out of my locker

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<v Speaker 3>and uh, I have a lot of pictures on my

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<v Speaker 3>wall here, you know, like Tony, Orlando and Don and

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<v Speaker 3>I have like some letters that that Tommy got for me.

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<v Speaker 3>I got a Frank Sinatra letter, I got Don Rickles letter,

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<v Speaker 3>I got a Bob Hope letter. I got a Barack

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<v Speaker 3>Obama letter. Uh. And I you know a number of

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<v Speaker 3>these letters, and you know, some of them I met,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, through Tommy and some of them because you know,

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<v Speaker 3>the people in LA they love their team and they

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<v Speaker 3>love to come around the team, and we love to

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<v Speaker 3>have them come around. And so it was a it

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<v Speaker 3>was a very very very good uh, you know, the

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<v Speaker 3>time of my life and and hopefully the other people

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<v Speaker 3>enjoyed as much as we did.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, just knowing some of the guys that you played with,

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<v Speaker 1>is it fair to say that Davey Lopes and Reggie

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<v Speaker 1>Smith were probably two of your best friends on the

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<v Speaker 1>team when you played with the Dodgers or were there.

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<v Speaker 3>More that there was more? I mean, you know those guys.

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<v Speaker 3>I was close to them, I mean big time. Davy

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<v Speaker 3>Davy was my daughter's godfather. But you know, we had

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<v Speaker 3>Lee Lacy, who I was hanging with, and Steve Garvey,

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<v Speaker 3>you know who I was hanging with, and you know,

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<v Speaker 3>just you know, now Downing was there. I mean they

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<v Speaker 3>we had some We had some outstanding UH players, and

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<v Speaker 3>we had some young players, Rudy Law, Steve how Bobby

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<v Speaker 3>Wilks was probably one of my best best friends because

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<v Speaker 3>I would try to pass on to them the things

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<v Speaker 3>that Hank Aaron and Atlanta Cipida passed on to me

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<v Speaker 3>when I was a young player. And so we always

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<v Speaker 3>had some fine young players. You know, you had Canny Molla, Ale,

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<v Speaker 3>Jeffrey Leonard. I mean you look at Brock, you look

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<v Speaker 3>at Marshall, you look at Steve Sachs on Fosia. I

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<v Speaker 3>mean we were turning them out. I mean, I still

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<v Speaker 3>thought the Cucliff and all these guys were young young players,

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<v Speaker 3>including Dave Stewart, and you know, I'm just naming a

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<v Speaker 3>few few players. And we were close as the unit,

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<v Speaker 3>and we took care of the young players, and we

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<v Speaker 3>took care of each.

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<v Speaker 2>Other, no doubt.

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<v Speaker 1>That was a family for sure. Dusty Baker is our guest,

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<v Speaker 1>and Dusty. The Knicks just celebrated their championship with the

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<v Speaker 1>parade first time in fifty three years. The Dodgers, after

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<v Speaker 1>twenty four, had their first parade since eighty eight. What

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<v Speaker 1>do you remember the most about the eighty one parade,

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<v Speaker 1>because I'm sure they were much different than they are now.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I mean that was my first parade, and you know,

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<v Speaker 3>you you remember all the guys on the team. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>you think back and you think about Manny Mota and

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<v Speaker 3>some of these guys at Paedo Guerrero, young player, the

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<v Speaker 3>Vieger had a great, great Rose Ronsei. And so I'm

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<v Speaker 3>just happy that my teammates picked me up because I

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<v Speaker 3>didn't have a very good World Series, but you know,

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<v Speaker 3>they picked me up. And I think about the Knicks

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<v Speaker 3>when when I hurt my hand the day before the

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<v Speaker 3>World Series and Tommy told me that I had to

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<v Speaker 3>play because the team wasn't the same if I wasn't

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<v Speaker 3>on the field. I said, Tommy, I can't even swing.

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<v Speaker 3>But I think back when I think back upon it,

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<v Speaker 3>and you're talking about the Knicks, I think about Willis

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<v Speaker 3>Reed when he couldn't even walk, but he went out

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<v Speaker 3>there to play to support his team. I wasn't nearly

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<v Speaker 3>the player Willis Reed was to his team. But similar

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<v Speaker 3>situation that sometimes take one for the team and then

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<v Speaker 3>sometime the team picks you up, and I feel like

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<v Speaker 3>all my teammates picked me up.

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<v Speaker 2>And everybody loves Dusty Baker.

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<v Speaker 1>You've picked up so many people in your life and

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<v Speaker 1>it's okay if they picked you up once in a while.

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<v Speaker 1>You just celebrated your seventy seventh birthday, Dusty.

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<v Speaker 2>Did you have a big party.

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<v Speaker 3>No, not really. I actually had a book sign and yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I kind of. We had a book signing party at

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<v Speaker 3>Kevin Johnson kJ. You know, he used to play for

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<v Speaker 3>the Phoenix Suns at his mother's bookstore and it's called

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<v Speaker 3>Underground Books and and there must have been two or

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<v Speaker 3>three hundred people there in this auditorium that he owns

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<v Speaker 3>right downtown in the same neighborhood where he grew up

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<v Speaker 3>in Oak Park, So it's really pretty cool. And afterwards

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<v Speaker 3>we went to his restaurant, you know, we went to

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<v Speaker 3>Dinner Fixes, which they have one down to Staples Center

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<v Speaker 3>as well in La You know, we had a great,

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<v Speaker 3>great meal afterwards and went on home, went to bed.

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<v Speaker 1>I know your life has taking you so many different places, Dusty,

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<v Speaker 1>but I know I speak for La and Dodger fans.

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<v Speaker 2>This will forever be your home.

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<v Speaker 1>I know other cities you brought success and championships to,

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<v Speaker 1>but this is this is for all of us down here,

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<v Speaker 1>Dusty Baker's home.

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<v Speaker 2>Left Field is your home.

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<v Speaker 1>And this is an incredible book and I think makes

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<v Speaker 1>all of us understand how you became the person that

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<v Speaker 1>you are and just how you've been able to touch

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<v Speaker 1>so many lives and it's it's really special.

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<v Speaker 2>So thank you for sharing your life with all of us.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, when I think beck, I started laughing because

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<v Speaker 3>Rick Munday he gave me the name doctor Skull and

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<v Speaker 3>he still calls me Skall to this day.

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<v Speaker 2>Why did he give me that nickname?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, because I used to tell everybody I was going

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<v Speaker 3>to scall the ball. I was gonna scall somebody. I

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<v Speaker 3>guess I was saying it so much. Rick. I didn't

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<v Speaker 3>even know how much I was saying it, but maybe

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<v Speaker 3>I said so much. And that's why Rick.

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<v Speaker 2>Mundy, well, I'm sure he's listening to this.

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<v Speaker 1>And I know Rick Monday loves you, and you Reggie

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<v Speaker 1>Smith and Rick Munday helped get that Infield over the

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<v Speaker 1>top in nineteen seventy seven and all those years after,

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<v Speaker 1>especially in eighty one.

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<v Speaker 2>So you know what you mean to this city, Dusty.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you, and and I just want to, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>just shout out. I forgot to mention Kenny lab because

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<v Speaker 3>Lanjo was one of them, and Darryl Thomas. We had

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<v Speaker 3>some we had some characters. We had some guys that

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<v Speaker 3>came to play, and like I said, you know, we

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<v Speaker 3>were family, and uh, you know, Tommy had a lot

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<v Speaker 3>to do with as well as our coaches because uh,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, we all cared about each other. And one

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<v Speaker 3>time I was at a banquet and I had Bill Russell,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, big Bill Russell. You know who I thought

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<v Speaker 3>was this mean, menacing guy? I asked him. I said,

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<v Speaker 3>hey man, you know what was the secret to the

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<v Speaker 3>Celtics success? Because you know I didn't like the Celtics.

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<v Speaker 3>I was a Laker fan, Harry West and Jail Goodrich

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<v Speaker 3>and Will Chambera and all it. And so he told

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<v Speaker 3>me that they loved each other. And I never forgot that.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, it shocked me when I think about on

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<v Speaker 3>the good teams, and I was on especially Dodger teams.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, we loved each other. Sometimes we fought, but

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<v Speaker 3>you know, you fight with your brother, but nobody else

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<v Speaker 3>better touch your brother. And you know that's how we

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<v Speaker 3>were as a family.

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<v Speaker 2>Heard some of those stories. Rick Monday's told me this before.

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<v Speaker 1>The feeling was we can fight amongst each other, but

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<v Speaker 1>if you go after one of our guys, then you

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<v Speaker 1>have a problem.

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<v Speaker 3>That is exactly right. I couldn't have said any better myself.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, man, I'll see you later, See you later, Adios.