1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:03,560 Speaker 1: Cincinnati's ESPN fifteen thirty. 2 00:00:03,600 --> 00:00:06,080 Speaker 2: All right, it's up four minutes after three. This is 3 00:00:06,480 --> 00:00:09,600 Speaker 2: ESPN fifteen thirty. I'm Molegor, thank you for listening. We 4 00:00:09,720 --> 00:00:15,080 Speaker 2: are back in studio after a twenty one week run 5 00:00:15,200 --> 00:00:18,400 Speaker 2: at Oakley Greens and hope to be back there later 6 00:00:18,480 --> 00:00:21,639 Speaker 2: on in twenty twenty six. We're back in studio for 7 00:00:21,680 --> 00:00:24,720 Speaker 2: what feels like the first time in forever. So happy 8 00:00:24,720 --> 00:00:26,439 Speaker 2: to have you with us. I have not had time 9 00:00:26,440 --> 00:00:28,520 Speaker 2: to do a show preview video, but when I do, 10 00:00:28,600 --> 00:00:30,920 Speaker 2: it'll be a service of share Facts Credit Union. 11 00:00:31,440 --> 00:00:33,239 Speaker 1: There is a lot going on. 12 00:00:33,320 --> 00:00:35,640 Speaker 2: Our friend Paul Danner Junior from The Athletic and the 13 00:00:35,640 --> 00:00:39,720 Speaker 2: Growler podcast is here in studio with me. There are 14 00:00:39,760 --> 00:00:41,680 Speaker 2: only a few things to talk about, not the least 15 00:00:41,680 --> 00:00:44,159 Speaker 2: of which is Nick Lachey's reaction to what the Bengals 16 00:00:44,200 --> 00:00:46,120 Speaker 2: have decided to do in relation to their front office 17 00:00:46,120 --> 00:00:46,680 Speaker 2: and head coach. 18 00:00:46,800 --> 00:00:48,640 Speaker 1: Don't start it off that way, mo, don't do this. 19 00:00:49,520 --> 00:00:50,400 Speaker 1: Don't don't. 20 00:00:50,440 --> 00:00:56,120 Speaker 3: This is already gonna be a long, a long hour, okay, 21 00:00:56,160 --> 00:00:57,880 Speaker 3: with a lot of ins and outs and a lot 22 00:00:57,880 --> 00:00:58,600 Speaker 3: of emotions. 23 00:00:59,400 --> 00:01:02,600 Speaker 1: Don't make me start off on the Nick lache rage. Okay. 24 00:01:02,800 --> 00:01:04,400 Speaker 1: I don't want to. I don't want to. You want 25 00:01:04,440 --> 00:01:07,240 Speaker 1: you want other people's rage, because I've got it. I'm 26 00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:07,600 Speaker 1: fine with. 27 00:01:07,600 --> 00:01:09,600 Speaker 3: Whoever the rage comes from. Actually, at this point, I 28 00:01:09,920 --> 00:01:11,920 Speaker 3: know there's plenty of it. That's totally fine. 29 00:01:12,200 --> 00:01:14,000 Speaker 1: Uh, it's awesome to have you here. 30 00:01:14,120 --> 00:01:16,000 Speaker 2: It's good to be here. A lot going on. I 31 00:01:16,040 --> 00:01:17,960 Speaker 2: do miss Oakly Greens. I do miss Oakly Green. 32 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:19,840 Speaker 3: It was very nice. It was three minutes from my house. 33 00:01:19,880 --> 00:01:21,880 Speaker 3: I was very appreciative of getting to go there all 34 00:01:21,959 --> 00:01:24,080 Speaker 3: year long. And I do love the studio. It was 35 00:01:24,120 --> 00:01:25,600 Speaker 3: nice to be here. There have food here, there, we 36 00:01:25,640 --> 00:01:27,800 Speaker 3: do it. I don't know who the food is from, 37 00:01:27,920 --> 00:01:30,280 Speaker 3: but I'm told it's smelled good. I'm told it's great. 38 00:01:30,360 --> 00:01:33,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. Well, well let's get started. Go ahead. 39 00:01:34,200 --> 00:01:37,720 Speaker 2: You have you've written a piece that has stirred the masses. No, 40 00:01:37,800 --> 00:01:42,199 Speaker 2: it's really popular. It is really popular. I want folks 41 00:01:42,200 --> 00:01:45,800 Speaker 2: to read it. The headline though, reads Bengals keeping Zach 42 00:01:45,840 --> 00:01:50,360 Speaker 2: Taylor Duke Tobin is right move, even if it's maddening 43 00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:50,960 Speaker 2: for fans. 44 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:55,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think that. 45 00:01:57,320 --> 00:01:58,560 Speaker 1: The premise. I would. 46 00:01:58,560 --> 00:02:01,960 Speaker 3: I think it's important that people read the story. Yes, 47 00:02:02,240 --> 00:02:05,440 Speaker 3: I don't think it's what a lot of people think 48 00:02:05,520 --> 00:02:11,440 Speaker 3: that it is. It is about the unique nature of 49 00:02:11,480 --> 00:02:15,840 Speaker 3: this organization and this point in time and where they 50 00:02:15,880 --> 00:02:19,800 Speaker 3: are at, and how different that is from just changing 51 00:02:19,840 --> 00:02:22,600 Speaker 3: it up like you would at really thirty one other 52 00:02:22,760 --> 00:02:24,600 Speaker 3: places in the NFL. 53 00:02:24,639 --> 00:02:26,239 Speaker 1: I've had a lot of people that I've seen. 54 00:02:26,440 --> 00:02:30,040 Speaker 3: I did initially put the AirPods in and go listen 55 00:02:30,040 --> 00:02:33,799 Speaker 3: to some mindful meditation, because you know, I'm really bad 56 00:02:33,840 --> 00:02:37,480 Speaker 3: at resolutions. I'm trying to have more clarity and calm 57 00:02:37,480 --> 00:02:39,280 Speaker 3: in the new year. And that was probably the wrong 58 00:02:39,880 --> 00:02:41,520 Speaker 3: take to take on this story if I was going 59 00:02:41,600 --> 00:02:43,400 Speaker 3: to do that. But I did go in and see 60 00:02:43,639 --> 00:02:47,240 Speaker 3: a lot so of what people are very passionately understandably saying. 61 00:02:47,240 --> 00:02:50,800 Speaker 3: This is not about that people's anger and frustration is 62 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:54,639 Speaker 3: misplaced or wrong, or that they shouldn't want change, or 63 00:02:54,680 --> 00:02:57,160 Speaker 3: that there aren't times where it absolutely would make sense. 64 00:02:57,200 --> 00:03:01,240 Speaker 3: And it's a very valid that is not really the 65 00:03:01,240 --> 00:03:05,679 Speaker 3: point of this. People don't know Jacksonville. Look, Jacksonville, just 66 00:03:05,720 --> 00:03:09,160 Speaker 3: did Lee Cohen in the Young GM change. If you 67 00:03:09,160 --> 00:03:12,360 Speaker 3: would like me to put a picture of shod Khan 68 00:03:13,320 --> 00:03:14,960 Speaker 3: next to Mike Brown and ask if you can tell 69 00:03:14,960 --> 00:03:18,080 Speaker 3: what the difference is with these two owners I can do. So, 70 00:03:19,120 --> 00:03:25,160 Speaker 3: It's so much about the circumstance of Cincinnati, and there 71 00:03:25,720 --> 00:03:28,160 Speaker 3: is a bit of a devil that you know, situation 72 00:03:28,280 --> 00:03:33,360 Speaker 3: in terms of people that know how to find ways 73 00:03:33,360 --> 00:03:36,280 Speaker 3: to work around the unique nature of ownership here, and 74 00:03:36,320 --> 00:03:39,840 Speaker 3: that there would be an adjustment period for anybody coming 75 00:03:39,880 --> 00:03:43,560 Speaker 3: in from the outside and figuring that out. And this 76 00:03:43,640 --> 00:03:50,840 Speaker 3: year is so important. There's enough going right to build 77 00:03:50,880 --> 00:03:54,440 Speaker 3: around and you can you can weaponize some of the 78 00:03:54,480 --> 00:03:58,640 Speaker 3: continuity to make up for mistakes that have been made, 79 00:03:58,840 --> 00:04:02,760 Speaker 3: many of which rightfully be called fireable fences, but you 80 00:04:02,880 --> 00:04:04,960 Speaker 3: can make up for that. You're in a good enough 81 00:04:04,960 --> 00:04:07,000 Speaker 3: place right now. There's so much on the line with 82 00:04:07,120 --> 00:04:10,400 Speaker 3: Joe Burrow, the offense that you have in place, and 83 00:04:10,480 --> 00:04:16,760 Speaker 3: more importantly, the absolute simplicity of this offseason. Don't make 84 00:04:16,800 --> 00:04:19,240 Speaker 3: it more complex than it needs to be around here, 85 00:04:19,279 --> 00:04:21,880 Speaker 3: because that is when you run into problems. We've seen 86 00:04:21,880 --> 00:04:25,400 Speaker 3: that in recent off seasons. Complexity has been a big 87 00:04:25,440 --> 00:04:27,120 Speaker 3: time issue for them to handle. 88 00:04:27,279 --> 00:04:28,000 Speaker 1: It is simple. 89 00:04:28,440 --> 00:04:32,080 Speaker 3: So the idea of adding a bunch of complexity over 90 00:04:32,120 --> 00:04:34,039 Speaker 3: what is a simple situation. 91 00:04:34,320 --> 00:04:39,000 Speaker 1: Fix the damn defense is really to me. 92 00:04:39,120 --> 00:04:41,200 Speaker 3: I think where so much of this starts is just 93 00:04:41,600 --> 00:04:45,320 Speaker 3: take these people and have them go fix the defense 94 00:04:45,760 --> 00:04:48,480 Speaker 3: and use that as the way to go ahead rather 95 00:04:48,560 --> 00:04:53,080 Speaker 3: than bringing in unforced complexity a little bit into and 96 00:04:53,120 --> 00:04:55,480 Speaker 3: then say do you trust them to get all of that? 97 00:04:55,680 --> 00:04:55,880 Speaker 1: Right? 98 00:04:56,680 --> 00:05:01,240 Speaker 3: Okay, that's where it's It's not saying that they're not there, 99 00:05:01,279 --> 00:05:05,040 Speaker 3: shouldn't be on deck, that this in three hundred and 100 00:05:05,080 --> 00:05:09,039 Speaker 3: sixty five days might not feel very different, or that 101 00:05:09,120 --> 00:05:10,760 Speaker 3: there wasn't even that media would have been better to 102 00:05:10,760 --> 00:05:13,719 Speaker 3: do it last year, right like that. It's this point 103 00:05:13,760 --> 00:05:18,240 Speaker 3: in time right now is where I think just going 104 00:05:18,279 --> 00:05:21,200 Speaker 3: forward with it, in the nature where everything sits, it 105 00:05:21,400 --> 00:05:23,880 Speaker 3: was the better move. And I understand why people would 106 00:05:23,880 --> 00:05:25,280 Speaker 3: be very very mad about that. 107 00:05:25,560 --> 00:05:28,440 Speaker 2: So this was published this morning and then you had 108 00:05:28,480 --> 00:05:29,360 Speaker 2: to go into a bunker. 109 00:05:29,920 --> 00:05:33,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, it just felt better to do that, I understand. 110 00:05:33,279 --> 00:05:35,640 Speaker 2: And you turned off your ads or you weren't checking 111 00:05:35,640 --> 00:05:37,800 Speaker 2: social media. I thought what I would do is just 112 00:05:37,839 --> 00:05:40,680 Speaker 2: to give you maybe a little bit of your your 113 00:05:40,720 --> 00:05:43,320 Speaker 2: audience feedback, because the beauty of the Athletic is you're 114 00:05:43,360 --> 00:05:46,160 Speaker 2: allowed to comment, right. It's a subscription based website, and 115 00:05:46,200 --> 00:05:51,320 Speaker 2: so oftentimes there are some very good and meaningful discussions 116 00:05:51,360 --> 00:05:53,760 Speaker 2: that folks have in the comments. Actually, and I thought, 117 00:05:53,800 --> 00:05:55,760 Speaker 2: what I would do is read, over the course of 118 00:05:55,760 --> 00:05:59,640 Speaker 2: the next hour, read some of the comments to you. Yes, 119 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:02,840 Speaker 2: charting with this one by R P P. Paul, I 120 00:06:02,880 --> 00:06:06,120 Speaker 2: love you. Your content is top notch, but this is 121 00:06:06,160 --> 00:06:08,480 Speaker 2: one of the hottest pieces of garbage you have ever written. 122 00:06:12,480 --> 00:06:14,880 Speaker 2: Not a lot of context there, Well, there's more. I 123 00:06:14,880 --> 00:06:16,680 Speaker 2: mean I could read the whole paragraph. Okay, it's a 124 00:06:16,720 --> 00:06:19,560 Speaker 2: good start. Yeah, that's fine. Then you know he or 125 00:06:19,600 --> 00:06:21,480 Speaker 2: she goes on to make a bunch of points about 126 00:06:21,480 --> 00:06:24,400 Speaker 2: the team. They finish it with love you, Paul, great writers, 127 00:06:24,480 --> 00:06:30,880 Speaker 2: huge fan. Now go burn this article. I appreciate that. 128 00:06:31,960 --> 00:06:34,280 Speaker 2: We just want people to read. Here's here's one we 129 00:06:34,400 --> 00:06:37,039 Speaker 2: have every subscriber. Here's one from Michael R. Hope you 130 00:06:37,040 --> 00:06:39,040 Speaker 2: get a nice bonus from Mike Brown for carrying in 131 00:06:39,080 --> 00:06:39,400 Speaker 2: the water. 132 00:06:39,680 --> 00:06:42,520 Speaker 1: Wow. See, I would. Here's here's a point that I 133 00:06:42,560 --> 00:06:43,039 Speaker 1: would make. 134 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:47,080 Speaker 3: I feel like there is a lot of people being like, oh, 135 00:06:47,200 --> 00:06:48,560 Speaker 3: this is straight. 136 00:06:48,279 --> 00:06:48,880 Speaker 1: Out of Katie. 137 00:06:50,080 --> 00:06:50,200 Speaker 4: Yes. 138 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:53,560 Speaker 1: The premise of the thing is that they can't handle this. 139 00:06:53,760 --> 00:06:58,559 Speaker 3: Right, yes, yes, The premise is that do not ask 140 00:06:59,400 --> 00:07:03,360 Speaker 3: the owner's ship here to try to do something this complicated. 141 00:07:03,600 --> 00:07:08,440 Speaker 1: It's actually the opposite of that, and I don't. I don't. 142 00:07:08,520 --> 00:07:11,400 Speaker 3: You know, it's fine, Like what however you want to 143 00:07:11,440 --> 00:07:13,280 Speaker 3: read it or view it or view me as I 144 00:07:13,520 --> 00:07:15,120 Speaker 3: was called propaganda Paul today. 145 00:07:15,520 --> 00:07:19,800 Speaker 1: That's fine. I don't. I'll enjoy the nicknames, that's fine. 146 00:07:20,040 --> 00:07:25,000 Speaker 3: The point is that the inability to handle a very 147 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:29,080 Speaker 3: complex off season is the entire premise right here. 148 00:07:29,160 --> 00:07:34,520 Speaker 1: It's this is not out of ownership's printer, right. That's oh. 149 00:07:34,720 --> 00:07:36,920 Speaker 2: I said it to you on the Growlary today that 150 00:07:37,360 --> 00:07:42,000 Speaker 2: this premise, your premise is a damning indictment against this organization. 151 00:07:42,400 --> 00:07:44,480 Speaker 3: And I think that's how it should be taken. Yeah, 152 00:07:44,520 --> 00:07:46,440 Speaker 3: I mean, that's kind of where it's coming from. I 153 00:07:47,720 --> 00:07:49,960 Speaker 3: in that I think that the people that are in 154 00:07:50,080 --> 00:07:54,960 Speaker 3: there now understand how to operate in a franchise that 155 00:07:55,040 --> 00:07:59,320 Speaker 3: everyone listening knows is just different than everywhere else. And 156 00:07:59,680 --> 00:08:01,600 Speaker 3: I'm sure sure in that building they would say that 157 00:08:01,640 --> 00:08:04,200 Speaker 3: doesn't say that it's right or wrong or whatever like 158 00:08:04,640 --> 00:08:07,480 Speaker 3: they can we can debate that, but it is different. 159 00:08:08,320 --> 00:08:10,880 Speaker 3: And so the people that know how to work with 160 00:08:10,920 --> 00:08:13,600 Speaker 3: the different and have had success with that at points 161 00:08:13,600 --> 00:08:16,680 Speaker 3: in time, even though they haven't been recent would have 162 00:08:16,720 --> 00:08:21,080 Speaker 3: a better chance at in this spot than somebody knew 163 00:08:21,200 --> 00:08:21,640 Speaker 3: coming in. 164 00:08:21,800 --> 00:08:24,440 Speaker 1: That's sort of the point. Well, Ryan C. Would disagree. 165 00:08:25,120 --> 00:08:27,480 Speaker 2: Ryan writes, this is a very bad take from the 166 00:08:27,520 --> 00:08:28,480 Speaker 2: best beat writer. 167 00:08:28,320 --> 00:08:30,120 Speaker 1: In the game. Hey, I'll take that. So you know, 168 00:08:30,120 --> 00:08:32,360 Speaker 1: at least people are acknowledging that they like you, they 169 00:08:32,400 --> 00:08:33,320 Speaker 1: read you, they. 170 00:08:33,160 --> 00:08:35,120 Speaker 2: Follow at least those are the ones that you chose. 171 00:08:35,200 --> 00:08:37,520 Speaker 2: They like your work. But there's there's a level I 172 00:08:37,520 --> 00:08:42,560 Speaker 2: think there's disappointment here. Yeah. I appreciate that we have 173 00:08:42,679 --> 00:08:45,760 Speaker 2: Victor H who says, clearly Paul has been compromised. Paul, 174 00:08:45,880 --> 00:08:50,080 Speaker 2: Paul blink twice. If you could hear me. Yeah, I'm okay. 175 00:08:50,800 --> 00:08:51,760 Speaker 2: I think I'm okay. 176 00:08:52,360 --> 00:08:56,560 Speaker 3: I understand it's very unpopular and maybe poorly time. 177 00:08:57,960 --> 00:08:59,400 Speaker 2: Can I ask you about a couple of things you 178 00:08:59,640 --> 00:09:03,360 Speaker 2: mentioned in the article. Yes, the word disconnect, So you're 179 00:09:03,360 --> 00:09:07,240 Speaker 2: write about there were lessons learned during the defensive transition 180 00:09:07,360 --> 00:09:10,800 Speaker 2: debacle of this past year, a disconnect between the staff 181 00:09:10,800 --> 00:09:14,000 Speaker 2: and personnel personnel department on what Golden needed and the 182 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:16,120 Speaker 2: front office's ability to deliver it. 183 00:09:16,200 --> 00:09:18,400 Speaker 1: Now, I know there is a. 184 00:09:18,440 --> 00:09:22,120 Speaker 2: Huge desire by a lot of fans and certainly people 185 00:09:22,120 --> 00:09:24,600 Speaker 2: in the organization to talk about what's next. I guess 186 00:09:24,640 --> 00:09:29,000 Speaker 2: this is my question with that specifically, is how do 187 00:09:29,080 --> 00:09:30,199 Speaker 2: you have that disconnect? 188 00:09:31,040 --> 00:09:33,840 Speaker 1: How do you not flesh that out during the interview process. 189 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:38,560 Speaker 2: How in the process of vetting Al Golden and making 190 00:09:38,559 --> 00:09:40,960 Speaker 2: the decision that he is going to be the defensive coordinator, 191 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:43,240 Speaker 2: which the timing was Jankie because of Notre Dame in 192 00:09:43,240 --> 00:09:48,080 Speaker 2: the college football playoff, How before you hire him, before 193 00:09:48,120 --> 00:09:51,640 Speaker 2: he moves into his office, how does not everybody get 194 00:09:51,640 --> 00:09:53,640 Speaker 2: on the same page with regard to what they have 195 00:09:53,720 --> 00:09:54,920 Speaker 2: to do with his side of the football. 196 00:09:56,240 --> 00:09:59,320 Speaker 3: How do you not have deals done for Jamar Chase 197 00:09:59,360 --> 00:10:01,840 Speaker 3: and Ti hig How do you not have a decision 198 00:10:01,880 --> 00:10:06,160 Speaker 3: on Trey Hendrickson. How do players constantly complain about communication 199 00:10:06,600 --> 00:10:12,000 Speaker 3: and make trade requests and voice public frustration every single year? 200 00:10:12,080 --> 00:10:16,160 Speaker 3: How are you constantly in hold ins and holdouts? And 201 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:21,000 Speaker 3: this is it's a symptom of other things that we 202 00:10:21,080 --> 00:10:24,960 Speaker 3: hear in other places. It just feels like somewhere in 203 00:10:25,040 --> 00:10:30,040 Speaker 3: that mix, whether it was dealing with the receivers at 204 00:10:30,040 --> 00:10:34,880 Speaker 3: the same time, whether it was miscommunication over what they 205 00:10:34,920 --> 00:10:37,320 Speaker 3: actually planned to do in free agency, whether it was 206 00:10:37,400 --> 00:10:39,880 Speaker 3: just being unable to execute what they thought the plan 207 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:43,319 Speaker 3: was going to be and having to settle and being 208 00:10:43,360 --> 00:10:47,240 Speaker 3: surprised at the settling whatever that was. Yeah, that was 209 00:10:47,400 --> 00:10:50,680 Speaker 3: a disconnect in the execution of what I don't think 210 00:10:50,720 --> 00:10:53,480 Speaker 3: it wasn't discussed. 211 00:10:53,679 --> 00:10:54,440 Speaker 1: Or fleshed out. 212 00:10:54,760 --> 00:10:57,240 Speaker 3: I think the execution of it went off the rails 213 00:10:57,600 --> 00:11:00,520 Speaker 3: in a complex offseason. When we talked about last year 214 00:11:01,200 --> 00:11:03,760 Speaker 3: about how it was one of the most challenging, complex 215 00:11:03,800 --> 00:11:06,760 Speaker 3: offseasons that this team had had and most important because 216 00:11:06,760 --> 00:11:08,760 Speaker 3: of the nature of all the different things they had 217 00:11:08,800 --> 00:11:11,959 Speaker 3: going on and hanging in the balance with Joe wanting 218 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:14,680 Speaker 3: all those guys in the stadium and the deals and 219 00:11:14,679 --> 00:11:17,440 Speaker 3: Trey Hendrickson and like, plus fixing the defense and a 220 00:11:17,480 --> 00:11:21,520 Speaker 3: new coordinator. It feels like in retrospect and it felt 221 00:11:21,600 --> 00:11:23,440 Speaker 3: like in the moment, it feels like one too many 222 00:11:23,480 --> 00:11:25,760 Speaker 3: things is on their plate right now and they're not. 223 00:11:25,800 --> 00:11:27,839 Speaker 3: And I think that's a big part of what the 224 00:11:28,200 --> 00:11:30,640 Speaker 3: disconnect I'm referring to is something I don't know who's 225 00:11:30,679 --> 00:11:34,280 Speaker 3: at fault. I don't really care to be honest, it's 226 00:11:34,360 --> 00:11:37,600 Speaker 3: it's all of them are responsible for coming together and 227 00:11:37,640 --> 00:11:40,000 Speaker 3: finding a way to execute a plan that feels like 228 00:11:40,600 --> 00:11:44,000 Speaker 3: it played out, And I don't think anyone can say 229 00:11:44,040 --> 00:11:46,440 Speaker 3: that that was executed and played out correctly. 230 00:11:46,800 --> 00:11:49,920 Speaker 2: Well, John Jay here would say, like others have said, Paul, 231 00:11:49,960 --> 00:11:52,560 Speaker 2: I really love your work and content. You're simply one 232 00:11:52,600 --> 00:11:54,600 Speaker 2: of the best there is, but this is just terrible. 233 00:11:54,720 --> 00:11:56,240 Speaker 1: Yeah. 234 00:11:56,280 --> 00:12:02,240 Speaker 2: Cool, all right, So there's a lot and I want 235 00:12:02,240 --> 00:12:04,280 Speaker 2: to stay on time today, which we never do. 236 00:12:04,360 --> 00:12:06,160 Speaker 1: But there's a lot to get to here. 237 00:12:06,320 --> 00:12:09,400 Speaker 2: Read Paul's piece the Athletic dot Com all the comment 238 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:10,120 Speaker 2: they have a comment. 239 00:12:10,200 --> 00:12:11,920 Speaker 1: Yes, the comments are great. 240 00:12:12,080 --> 00:12:14,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, this might be a new feature as we get 241 00:12:14,240 --> 00:12:16,800 Speaker 2: into the off season, or maybe like once a month. 242 00:12:17,240 --> 00:12:20,320 Speaker 1: I'll have a hard time having a more unpopular column 243 00:12:20,360 --> 00:12:22,240 Speaker 1: than this one, though. Yeah. I don't know. 244 00:12:22,640 --> 00:12:24,360 Speaker 2: I don't know what you could do to top this one. 245 00:12:25,200 --> 00:12:27,240 Speaker 2: But you know what, Actually, there is a guy hang on, 246 00:12:27,280 --> 00:12:27,880 Speaker 2: hang on, hangout? 247 00:12:27,880 --> 00:12:28,520 Speaker 1: Did you find one? 248 00:12:28,559 --> 00:12:28,640 Speaker 4: No? 249 00:12:28,559 --> 00:12:28,920 Speaker 1: No, no no. 250 00:12:29,160 --> 00:12:31,319 Speaker 2: So I like what this person said. This is Junior 251 00:12:31,400 --> 00:12:34,439 Speaker 2: G going to take the opposite side here and say, well, 252 00:12:34,480 --> 00:12:37,240 Speaker 2: I think Paul is wrong in his analysis. I'm glad 253 00:12:37,280 --> 00:12:39,520 Speaker 2: we have a writer who won't always do the easy 254 00:12:39,600 --> 00:12:42,439 Speaker 2: thing and agree with the fan takes all the time. 255 00:12:42,960 --> 00:12:46,840 Speaker 1: Thanks. I appreciate that. I just it's the way I 256 00:12:46,880 --> 00:12:47,560 Speaker 1: feel about it. 257 00:12:48,559 --> 00:12:51,800 Speaker 3: Knowing what I know, about the organization in terms of 258 00:12:51,800 --> 00:12:53,679 Speaker 3: what do we talk about all the time, though you 259 00:12:53,720 --> 00:12:55,760 Speaker 3: say it to me all the time from a fan perspective, 260 00:12:56,040 --> 00:12:58,679 Speaker 3: you want to win next year, you want to win 261 00:12:58,720 --> 00:13:03,120 Speaker 3: the Super Bowl. I'm telling you, in my opinion, their 262 00:13:03,200 --> 00:13:06,120 Speaker 3: best chance to win the Super Bowl next year is 263 00:13:06,640 --> 00:13:09,960 Speaker 3: through this method. And people are probably going off the 264 00:13:10,040 --> 00:13:12,920 Speaker 3: road hearing that. But for everything that we just talked 265 00:13:12,920 --> 00:13:16,839 Speaker 3: about and explained, adding the complexity does not give them 266 00:13:16,880 --> 00:13:19,000 Speaker 3: a better chance of winning the super Bowl next year. 267 00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:23,319 Speaker 3: In the fallout from that not happening is obviously significant 268 00:13:23,360 --> 00:13:26,920 Speaker 3: in what is turning into the ultimate pressure cooker season 269 00:13:26,960 --> 00:13:27,400 Speaker 3: next year. 270 00:13:27,600 --> 00:13:30,240 Speaker 2: You know who's not going off the road, Cam Taylor 271 00:13:30,280 --> 00:13:35,360 Speaker 2: Britt because he apparently already did that that spending the 272 00:13:35,360 --> 00:13:38,560 Speaker 2: week in jail. It is seventeen minutes after three o'clock. 273 00:13:38,600 --> 00:13:41,120 Speaker 2: Read Paul's work the Athletic dot Com. Catch the latest 274 00:13:41,120 --> 00:13:43,679 Speaker 2: episode of the Growler podcast as well. 275 00:13:43,760 --> 00:13:44,720 Speaker 1: He's here till four. 276 00:13:44,800 --> 00:13:48,760 Speaker 2: We're here till six on ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati sports station. 277 00:13:49,920 --> 00:13:52,439 Speaker 1: It is twenty two minutes after three o'clock. 278 00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:56,079 Speaker 2: Cincinnati's most popular sports writer, Paul Danner Junior, is here 279 00:13:56,120 --> 00:13:59,719 Speaker 2: from the Athletic I tweeted out the link a few 280 00:13:59,720 --> 00:14:02,199 Speaker 2: minutes ago. If you don't know what we're talking about, 281 00:14:02,200 --> 00:14:06,680 Speaker 2: it it's a piece. Well take it from a Clifford 282 00:14:06,800 --> 00:14:11,520 Speaker 2: w Here who writes, gosh, mister, you sure right pretty? 283 00:14:13,760 --> 00:14:15,600 Speaker 1: I like that one a compliment. 284 00:14:15,920 --> 00:14:19,680 Speaker 2: So the word complex is used a lot, right, like, 285 00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:24,440 Speaker 2: let's not make the off season more complex than needed 286 00:14:24,560 --> 00:14:27,560 Speaker 2: because on surface level, on a surface level, what they 287 00:14:27,560 --> 00:14:29,920 Speaker 2: have to do is really easy. Fix the defense. Now, 288 00:14:30,440 --> 00:14:34,320 Speaker 2: that sounds easy as we saw last offseason. Eh, you know, 289 00:14:34,360 --> 00:14:36,640 Speaker 2: don't put it past them to screw it up. I 290 00:14:36,680 --> 00:14:38,640 Speaker 2: guess one of the things I wonder, and one of 291 00:14:38,680 --> 00:14:40,160 Speaker 2: the things that I think a lot of people wonder, 292 00:14:40,240 --> 00:14:44,440 Speaker 2: is how will they make it more complex than they 293 00:14:44,440 --> 00:14:47,160 Speaker 2: need to be? Because that feels like it's the Cincinnati 294 00:14:47,200 --> 00:14:50,600 Speaker 2: Bengals mo to make things more difficult than they need 295 00:14:50,640 --> 00:14:54,040 Speaker 2: to be. And you talked about Chasin Higgins and the 296 00:14:54,360 --> 00:14:57,920 Speaker 2: soap opera that both of those contract issues became the 297 00:14:57,960 --> 00:15:03,040 Speaker 2: Shamar Stewart thing this offseason, Trey hendrickson any number of things, 298 00:15:03,080 --> 00:15:05,080 Speaker 2: and we talked on the Growler today. For me, the 299 00:15:05,120 --> 00:15:08,240 Speaker 2: litmus test is Dalton Reisner, Like you got a guy 300 00:15:08,240 --> 00:15:10,240 Speaker 2: who plays a position you've had a hard time filling. 301 00:15:10,520 --> 00:15:13,760 Speaker 2: He's pretty good. He wants to be here. Just get 302 00:15:13,760 --> 00:15:17,840 Speaker 2: it done, don't don't add another wrench to the off season. 303 00:15:18,480 --> 00:15:20,360 Speaker 2: And so I guess what I wonder, maybe not so 304 00:15:20,480 --> 00:15:27,240 Speaker 2: much with that situation in particular, I wonder what things 305 00:15:27,280 --> 00:15:29,200 Speaker 2: are they going to do this offseason to get in 306 00:15:29,240 --> 00:15:31,680 Speaker 2: their own way, to get in the way of doing 307 00:15:31,760 --> 00:15:36,000 Speaker 2: what should be Again, not easy, but it's easy. It's 308 00:15:36,320 --> 00:15:38,440 Speaker 2: easy to understand what they have to do to fix 309 00:15:38,480 --> 00:15:40,160 Speaker 2: the team, whether or not they do it. What do 310 00:15:40,240 --> 00:15:42,920 Speaker 2: they do to complex to make as I'm doing right now? 311 00:15:43,080 --> 00:15:45,200 Speaker 2: What do they do to make the simple more complex 312 00:15:45,240 --> 00:15:45,920 Speaker 2: that it needs to be? 313 00:15:46,400 --> 00:15:46,640 Speaker 1: Well? 314 00:15:46,680 --> 00:15:51,600 Speaker 3: It usually comes back to negotiations gone wrong in communication, right, 315 00:15:51,680 --> 00:15:54,560 Speaker 3: That's where a lot of this typically stems from. 316 00:15:54,600 --> 00:15:56,760 Speaker 1: We've heard that word a lot from players. 317 00:15:57,920 --> 00:16:00,600 Speaker 3: So I look to the two things that you would 318 00:16:00,640 --> 00:16:05,320 Speaker 3: think are on their plate DJ Turner, Dax phill Right, 319 00:16:05,640 --> 00:16:08,960 Speaker 3: extensions that would need to be done that they would 320 00:16:08,960 --> 00:16:11,040 Speaker 3: like to get done. You'd love to have that, Probably 321 00:16:11,040 --> 00:16:13,360 Speaker 3: something you do before the year starts to set. Theoretically 322 00:16:13,400 --> 00:16:15,400 Speaker 3: that we've talked about this, don't let this play out. 323 00:16:15,520 --> 00:16:18,640 Speaker 3: Don't let these guys see free agency get ahead of it, 324 00:16:19,240 --> 00:16:21,120 Speaker 3: if you can get it, get in there now, if 325 00:16:21,120 --> 00:16:25,480 Speaker 3: you could, or will it go by what we've seen 326 00:16:25,600 --> 00:16:28,480 Speaker 3: happen a lot of times here where it gets dragged 327 00:16:28,560 --> 00:16:33,560 Speaker 3: out into training camp. Next thing, you know, we're referencing 328 00:16:33,600 --> 00:16:38,120 Speaker 3: how Holden's and hat Watch and DJ Turner is offended 329 00:16:38,600 --> 00:16:41,960 Speaker 3: by the you know, a low ball offer, doesn't feel 330 00:16:41,960 --> 00:16:44,360 Speaker 3: like they value them, and we're back down the Jesse Bates, 331 00:16:44,400 --> 00:16:47,760 Speaker 3: the t Higgins, the all of these roads that we've 332 00:16:47,760 --> 00:16:50,680 Speaker 3: been down every single off season. It feels like right 333 00:16:50,760 --> 00:16:54,440 Speaker 3: like so it's an ability to get those things stand 334 00:16:54,520 --> 00:16:58,160 Speaker 3: up because also, you know, you're gonna think they're gonna 335 00:16:58,160 --> 00:17:01,520 Speaker 3: want to have money set aside for that. That would 336 00:17:01,520 --> 00:17:05,880 Speaker 3: take away from maybe spending more on free agency, and 337 00:17:05,920 --> 00:17:09,520 Speaker 3: maybe there would be an unwillingness to do things with 338 00:17:09,600 --> 00:17:11,879 Speaker 3: say like Joe Burrow's contract to what we don't want 339 00:17:11,920 --> 00:17:14,680 Speaker 3: to do for money or make things make some of 340 00:17:14,720 --> 00:17:18,359 Speaker 3: the contracts they do have work to have more money 341 00:17:18,359 --> 00:17:23,119 Speaker 3: in free agency or void years that they've usually reluctant 342 00:17:23,160 --> 00:17:27,040 Speaker 3: to use even though they have. Sporadically, things like that 343 00:17:27,240 --> 00:17:30,000 Speaker 3: can get in the way. Things like that can make 344 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:33,360 Speaker 3: it harder, and you just want you want the quiet 345 00:17:33,440 --> 00:17:36,760 Speaker 3: training camp, Yes, and they just haven't had enough of those. 346 00:17:36,800 --> 00:17:38,359 Speaker 3: And I guess they had as close to one as 347 00:17:38,359 --> 00:17:40,600 Speaker 3: they can this year and saw what happened. But you 348 00:17:40,720 --> 00:17:44,119 Speaker 3: still had so much of a very distracting off season, 349 00:17:44,760 --> 00:17:48,359 Speaker 3: with Trey being the most notable aspect of that. Trying 350 00:17:48,400 --> 00:17:52,200 Speaker 3: to have everybody happy on board. Some of the positivity 351 00:17:52,240 --> 00:17:56,119 Speaker 3: that you guys heard Zach Taylor talk about in these 352 00:17:56,280 --> 00:18:00,240 Speaker 3: exit meetings that he had carry over, well, you can 353 00:18:00,280 --> 00:18:04,359 Speaker 3: lose that in contentious negotiations with guys that are viewed 354 00:18:04,359 --> 00:18:06,119 Speaker 3: as what the core they want to go forward with 355 00:18:06,160 --> 00:18:09,760 Speaker 3: on this defense, the ones they actually like that are 356 00:18:09,760 --> 00:18:12,919 Speaker 3: worth investing it. I wonder about that. I don't know 357 00:18:12,960 --> 00:18:15,520 Speaker 3: where that's gonna go. We'll see, but that's where I 358 00:18:15,520 --> 00:18:16,040 Speaker 3: would start. 359 00:18:18,119 --> 00:18:18,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, I. 360 00:18:21,080 --> 00:18:23,520 Speaker 2: Can't wait to see what they do to make my 361 00:18:23,760 --> 00:18:27,960 Speaker 2: job easier in May. So like for what we do. 362 00:18:28,480 --> 00:18:32,400 Speaker 2: The slow times are February, right, you're kind of post football, 363 00:18:32,640 --> 00:18:35,560 Speaker 2: pre baseball, and then you kind of get the newness 364 00:18:35,560 --> 00:18:37,600 Speaker 2: of the baseball season behind you in the draft and 365 00:18:37,600 --> 00:18:39,680 Speaker 2: you get to May in June. I had no such 366 00:18:39,760 --> 00:18:43,040 Speaker 2: issues the last couple of years. Coming up with things 367 00:18:43,040 --> 00:18:45,399 Speaker 2: to discuss has been very easy because the Bengals have 368 00:18:45,440 --> 00:18:48,240 Speaker 2: always given put you know, stuff on a platter for me. 369 00:18:48,840 --> 00:18:51,960 Speaker 2: The objective should be, let's make mo work this year. 370 00:18:52,560 --> 00:18:53,439 Speaker 1: Let's make him. 371 00:18:53,320 --> 00:18:55,640 Speaker 2: Sit down some days during the off season and stare 372 00:18:55,720 --> 00:18:58,280 Speaker 2: to the heavens and go, huh, what do we talk 373 00:18:58,320 --> 00:19:00,199 Speaker 2: about as it relates to the Bengals that And now 374 00:19:00,200 --> 00:19:02,000 Speaker 2: the Reds could have something to do with that, obviously 375 00:19:02,000 --> 00:19:02,880 Speaker 2: if they're good this year. 376 00:19:02,920 --> 00:19:05,960 Speaker 1: But still, let's make Moe's job hard. 377 00:19:06,320 --> 00:19:09,280 Speaker 2: The last few years, Duke Tobin, this front office, this 378 00:19:09,359 --> 00:19:12,240 Speaker 2: ownership group, and a number of players have made the 379 00:19:12,320 --> 00:19:17,679 Speaker 2: job very easy because they create these distractions. They create 380 00:19:17,720 --> 00:19:22,080 Speaker 2: these soap operas. They create these series of circumstances that 381 00:19:22,200 --> 00:19:25,360 Speaker 2: feel like they could get in the way of a nice, 382 00:19:25,440 --> 00:19:28,920 Speaker 2: quiet offseason, in particular one this year where it's it's 383 00:19:29,640 --> 00:19:32,280 Speaker 2: paramount to use Joe Burrow's word, that they put themselves 384 00:19:32,280 --> 00:19:33,600 Speaker 2: in a position to win big well. 385 00:19:33,800 --> 00:19:37,200 Speaker 3: And you know, the other thing would be, what does 386 00:19:37,280 --> 00:19:40,400 Speaker 3: that free agency week feel like? You know, I mean, 387 00:19:40,880 --> 00:19:44,080 Speaker 3: is it quiet again? Is there a we believe in 388 00:19:44,119 --> 00:19:48,240 Speaker 3: our guys? And there's a few small additions that don't 389 00:19:48,280 --> 00:19:52,639 Speaker 3: exactly change the nature of linebacker or safety or the 390 00:19:52,680 --> 00:19:58,240 Speaker 3: defensive line or whatever or and that has everybody wondering 391 00:19:58,240 --> 00:20:00,359 Speaker 3: what the heck's going on? Are they just really running 392 00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:03,320 Speaker 3: this back. I don't necessarily think that will be the case, 393 00:20:03,359 --> 00:20:06,320 Speaker 3: but there is going to be. You said it, Joe 394 00:20:06,320 --> 00:20:09,440 Speaker 3: Burrow said it. It's of paramount importance that that thing 395 00:20:09,520 --> 00:20:14,840 Speaker 3: feels impactful in some kind of way, whether whatever that is. 396 00:20:14,960 --> 00:20:17,240 Speaker 3: I mean, it doesn't have to be in signing free agents. 397 00:20:17,240 --> 00:20:19,800 Speaker 3: It can be in doing other things, but like, it 398 00:20:19,880 --> 00:20:25,240 Speaker 3: has to feel a real effort to bring quality level 399 00:20:25,320 --> 00:20:30,679 Speaker 3: of play up a level at safety, at linebacker, on 400 00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:33,760 Speaker 3: the defensive line, all over the place. And if you 401 00:20:33,840 --> 00:20:37,840 Speaker 3: don't do that and you just say, well, we saw progress, 402 00:20:38,720 --> 00:20:41,600 Speaker 3: then you run into trouble because now the rest of 403 00:20:41,640 --> 00:20:44,639 Speaker 3: the building, those players are like, we're really doing this, 404 00:20:45,359 --> 00:20:47,680 Speaker 3: you know, And you don't want that, like try to 405 00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:51,480 Speaker 3: keep everybody on board and believe in and having confidence 406 00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:54,360 Speaker 3: in the movies that you made and excited. You want 407 00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:57,560 Speaker 3: that excitement as the team enters camp in the season 408 00:20:57,560 --> 00:20:58,320 Speaker 3: and all those things. 409 00:20:58,440 --> 00:21:00,840 Speaker 2: Well, excitement is not exactly what I read in the 410 00:21:00,880 --> 00:21:05,080 Speaker 2: comment for Matt Kay, who writes spoken like a guy 411 00:21:05,119 --> 00:21:07,200 Speaker 2: who wants to be greeted warmly and have a nice 412 00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:10,680 Speaker 2: front row seat at Friday's press conference. Duke Tobin's gonna 413 00:21:10,680 --> 00:21:13,400 Speaker 2: talk on Friday. Yeah, we're gonna talk about that next. 414 00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:16,600 Speaker 2: Look forward to it on ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports. 415 00:21:16,359 --> 00:21:23,359 Speaker 1: Station Cincinnati's ESPN fifteen thirty. 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He was given two sets of tickets in 435 00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:32,119 Speaker 2: twenty twenty five. First came in June when Cincinnati police 436 00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:35,159 Speaker 2: said he was driving a twenty twenty two Dodge Charger 437 00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:37,760 Speaker 2: recklessly with five occupants in the car and four street 438 00:22:38,119 --> 00:22:41,199 Speaker 2: Second set of tickets came in September, police said he 439 00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:43,000 Speaker 2: was street racing on Joe Knucks Allway. 440 00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:45,600 Speaker 1: He shouldn't do that. Cam Taylor Britt in jail for 441 00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:48,600 Speaker 1: five days. Have you ever Have you ever done street 442 00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:52,720 Speaker 1: racing beforema? No? No, never, never had an appeal to me. 443 00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:54,359 Speaker 1: Never quite understood street racing. 444 00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:57,160 Speaker 2: If I was going to do street racing on Joe 445 00:22:57,240 --> 00:23:01,840 Speaker 2: knuxall Way between a whole slew of establishments and Great 446 00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:05,359 Speaker 2: American Ballpark is probably not where I would street race. 447 00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:08,280 Speaker 3: No, No, I feel like there's some places in the 448 00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:09,920 Speaker 3: country maybe when you. 449 00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:12,280 Speaker 2: Decide a street race and you go, okay, we need 450 00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:14,679 Speaker 2: a place. Where do you want to go? Let's go 451 00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:19,040 Speaker 2: over there by the Holy Grail, Like that's what are 452 00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:21,120 Speaker 2: we doing sitting in jails? 453 00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:21,600 Speaker 1: What we're doing? 454 00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:24,280 Speaker 2: College basketball? I don't know if they'll show this game 455 00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:28,520 Speaker 2: in jail. It's UC West Virginia. Game tips off at 456 00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:31,640 Speaker 2: seven o'clock on seven hundred WLW. Miami tries to stay 457 00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:34,800 Speaker 2: undefeated as the RedHawks host Western Michigan. Dayton takes on 458 00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:39,560 Speaker 2: George Washington Hockey Tonight. The Blue Jackets skate at San Jose. 459 00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:43,560 Speaker 2: Paul Danner Junior from the Athletic and the Growlar podcast 460 00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:50,080 Speaker 2: is here. Duke Tobin's going to talk on Friday. This 461 00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:53,320 Speaker 2: is unprecedented as far as I'm concerned. I can't recall 462 00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:56,760 Speaker 2: a situation like this where the season has ended and 463 00:23:56,840 --> 00:23:59,359 Speaker 2: without him sitting up there with a coach that has 464 00:23:59,400 --> 00:23:59,959 Speaker 2: been hired. 465 00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:02,000 Speaker 1: He has answered questions from you guys. 466 00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:05,560 Speaker 2: Do you think this is Duke raising his hand going okay, 467 00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:07,399 Speaker 2: here I am or you do do you think he 468 00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:09,119 Speaker 2: is being pushed to the podium by the people that 469 00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:09,600 Speaker 2: he works for. 470 00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:15,359 Speaker 3: I think it's more push than than stepping up. But 471 00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:20,120 Speaker 3: I think there's a recognition that it was necessary. I think, 472 00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:25,320 Speaker 3: you know, this time last year, we were very vocal 473 00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:28,840 Speaker 3: and critical over the fact that they didn't do it. 474 00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:31,040 Speaker 3: This time last year, I think that's kind of where 475 00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:34,080 Speaker 3: this started. It gained steam during the year when it 476 00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:37,040 Speaker 3: was like people want to hear from him over what's 477 00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:37,439 Speaker 3: gone on. 478 00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:40,280 Speaker 2: And let's be clear about this. It's not like you 479 00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:41,680 Speaker 2: guys haven't asked for him. 480 00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:43,199 Speaker 1: No, this has been going on. 481 00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:46,199 Speaker 3: But I think it's been the it's the timing, and 482 00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:48,720 Speaker 3: it's because it's not like he also hasn't talked. I 483 00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:51,080 Speaker 3: think there's maybe some misconception out there that like Duke 484 00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:54,560 Speaker 3: doesn't know, Like it's just about the timing of it. Normally, 485 00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:59,399 Speaker 3: this period of discussion happens in Mobile, Alabama at the 486 00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:02,200 Speaker 3: Senior Bow when you're three or four weeks removed and 487 00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:05,720 Speaker 3: you know you're not in all the media is here, right, 488 00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:08,840 Speaker 3: there's only so many people being stream live, right, there's 489 00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:11,640 Speaker 3: none of that stuff going on. It's it's it's much 490 00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:14,000 Speaker 3: more out of sight. You're outside of out of mind. 491 00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:16,400 Speaker 3: You're kind of a dead period in the schedule, and 492 00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:20,120 Speaker 3: it's easy in Mobile to you're you're flipping forward, you're 493 00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:23,360 Speaker 3: looking forward. You're not having to answer for what happened. 494 00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:27,239 Speaker 3: And when you don't talk since before you know, a 495 00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:30,520 Speaker 3: mock turtles suit before camp starts, well there's never a 496 00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:33,920 Speaker 3: chance to answer for the questions that play that the 497 00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:35,879 Speaker 3: where the answers played out over the course of the season, 498 00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:38,520 Speaker 3: it felt there was that never existed, and that's kind 499 00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:43,280 Speaker 3: of what we've been wanting. And so I I do 500 00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:45,159 Speaker 3: I commend the Bengals for doing it, though I know 501 00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:47,199 Speaker 3: it's late and it feels like it should have been 502 00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:49,159 Speaker 3: happened there, maybe it should be more whatever, But I 503 00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:52,880 Speaker 3: do commend them for offering this transparency to their fans 504 00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:55,520 Speaker 3: through us or whatever. But like I I, that's what 505 00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:58,679 Speaker 3: it's a It's not about us, right, It's about people 506 00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:02,680 Speaker 3: want these answers from And we have to ask Zach Taylor, 507 00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:06,240 Speaker 3: who can't answer that, right. And so if the timing 508 00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:08,320 Speaker 3: of this is what this is about, But yeah, I 509 00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:12,879 Speaker 3: think it's the recognition of the need for transparency and 510 00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:15,040 Speaker 3: a little bit of accountability from him. 511 00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:18,080 Speaker 2: Do you think this launches us into a new era 512 00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:22,960 Speaker 2: of transparency and accountability where Duke Tobin speaks more frequently. 513 00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:27,920 Speaker 3: Not necessarily. I think this is a one of them 514 00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:32,480 Speaker 3: test balloons. Maybe I don't know see how it goes. 515 00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:35,760 Speaker 3: This is not a this isn't a precedent, This isn't 516 00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:37,920 Speaker 3: like every year now this is going to happen. I 517 00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:42,960 Speaker 3: don't think that's the case. But I would agree that's 518 00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:46,600 Speaker 3: certainly been my contention for a while. I think it's helpful. 519 00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:49,920 Speaker 3: I only think it's fair if Joe Burrow has to 520 00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:52,119 Speaker 3: answer the questions, if Jamar Chase has to get up 521 00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:54,480 Speaker 3: to answer the questions, Zach Taylorzach Taylor has to get 522 00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:57,520 Speaker 3: up there and answer the questions, and oftentimes they are 523 00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:02,520 Speaker 3: answering questions that should be directed towards the person putting 524 00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:04,840 Speaker 3: the roster together, then yeah, I think that that should 525 00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:10,400 Speaker 3: at least happen once in in that particular timeframe. So yeah, 526 00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:12,480 Speaker 3: I think that's fair. I don't I don't know what 527 00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:14,400 Speaker 3: will happen, and I don't know anybody knows for sure 528 00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:15,800 Speaker 3: what will happen in terms of precedent. 529 00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:17,680 Speaker 1: I just know that they're doing it now. 530 00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:20,280 Speaker 2: I appreciate the fact that he's doing it, whether it's 531 00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:22,639 Speaker 2: him raising his hand and saying I'll do it or 532 00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:23,760 Speaker 2: them telling him he has to. 533 00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:24,960 Speaker 1: I appreciate that. 534 00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:28,000 Speaker 2: I don't know that he can say anything on Friday 535 00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:30,760 Speaker 2: to make me or any other fan feel any better. 536 00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:32,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know that. 537 00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:36,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know that there's some thing that he's 538 00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:40,480 Speaker 3: gonna say that's just gonna make it click for everybody, Like, yeah, yeah, 539 00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:44,919 Speaker 3: you know what I mean. I just think people just 540 00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:48,199 Speaker 3: it's the same reason that I've said said that this 541 00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:51,920 Speaker 3: is necessary. People just want to understand the perspective. Yeah 542 00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:54,199 Speaker 3: they want to be mad too, but that's fine. But 543 00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:57,720 Speaker 3: I just think it's it's it doesn't help anybody when 544 00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:00,920 Speaker 3: I think people don't feel like they under nderstand your 545 00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:03,880 Speaker 3: view of what went wrong, and they do what they 546 00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:07,480 Speaker 3: assume ineptitude and that's not the case. Like, I know 547 00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:10,680 Speaker 3: that that's painted that way, but I just think there's 548 00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:12,800 Speaker 3: an assumption of that when you're not able to offer 549 00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:18,640 Speaker 3: the transparency and an explanation that people want to hear 550 00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:19,840 Speaker 3: from your point of view. 551 00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:23,359 Speaker 2: Well, in your piece, you use the term trial balloon 552 00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:26,200 Speaker 2: your lead balloon piece, because that's what it's gone over 553 00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:30,280 Speaker 2: with the athletic. You wrote about new opportunities to learn 554 00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:34,600 Speaker 2: about miscommunications, right, and look, every season provides opportunities to learn. 555 00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:36,160 Speaker 2: You learn about your team, you learn about your coat, 556 00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:38,320 Speaker 2: you learn about the process, learn about the league, learn 557 00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:41,360 Speaker 2: about your opponents. I guess the two things I'm interested 558 00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:45,720 Speaker 2: in and I don't necessarily need a show. I don't 559 00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:49,600 Speaker 2: need an apology I don't need fireworks. I do think 560 00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:54,840 Speaker 2: the perspective of Duke, given his position, is interesting, and 561 00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:59,520 Speaker 2: so given that this went so poorly, I would want 562 00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:03,360 Speaker 2: to know your perspective why did this go poorly? I 563 00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:04,960 Speaker 2: don't know that he could say anything that makes me 564 00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:07,320 Speaker 2: go okay, great, great, okay, Well that wasn't so bad, 565 00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:11,000 Speaker 2: but all right, like you, you were in charge of 566 00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:14,400 Speaker 2: this roster. This roster underperformed, and one part of the 567 00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:17,440 Speaker 2: roster that underperformed, I think we thought coming into the 568 00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:19,200 Speaker 2: season was likely not going to be all that good. 569 00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:22,120 Speaker 2: So give me your perspective on why this went sideways. 570 00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:24,800 Speaker 2: And then the other one would be what did you learn, 571 00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:28,720 Speaker 2: whether it be about the team, the coach, your relationship 572 00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:31,280 Speaker 2: with Zach, how you have to communicate, how you have 573 00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:33,720 Speaker 2: to be on the same page with all of the coaches? 574 00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:37,480 Speaker 2: What did this season? What lessons did this season provide you? 575 00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:41,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a question that I think poorly asked yesterday, 576 00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:45,480 Speaker 3: trying to talk about how can the continuity that you 577 00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:47,160 Speaker 3: guys have had be different? 578 00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:47,400 Speaker 1: Now? 579 00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:50,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, like what are those lessons? And it's the main 580 00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:53,160 Speaker 2: question we all have. How do you do things differently 581 00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:53,920 Speaker 2: with the same people? 582 00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:54,200 Speaker 1: Right? 583 00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:56,920 Speaker 3: How can those lessons and how can the continuity that 584 00:29:56,960 --> 00:30:00,720 Speaker 3: you have now be a weapon to where maybe it 585 00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:03,200 Speaker 3: hasn't been enough in the past. And I think Zach's 586 00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:06,880 Speaker 3: answer was that you know, they have more continuity now. 587 00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:09,280 Speaker 3: That meant that's when he started talking about the year 588 00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:11,760 Speaker 3: two of out Golden and the pieces that are in 589 00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:15,240 Speaker 3: place and just bringing everybody back and they haven't necessarily 590 00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:18,680 Speaker 3: had this much continuity before and that can lend itself 591 00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:21,960 Speaker 3: to more success and clarity. But yeah, I would want 592 00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:24,160 Speaker 3: to know. It's fine to hear that from one set. 593 00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:25,880 Speaker 3: I want to know what the other side feels about 594 00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:29,120 Speaker 3: that too, about how the same people can work better 595 00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:32,479 Speaker 3: together going forward and why that is you know, a 596 00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:35,480 Speaker 3: solution to believe in and whatever the answer there the 597 00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:37,680 Speaker 3: answer is. But yeah, I think that's what everybody wants 598 00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:40,000 Speaker 3: to know, is how do you make how do you 599 00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:45,320 Speaker 3: make this thing produce different results with the same people. 600 00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:46,440 Speaker 1: A couple of other things. 601 00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:48,840 Speaker 2: In the coming weeks, You're going to do the list 602 00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:52,239 Speaker 2: of pending free agents, and you always assign a percentage. 603 00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:53,720 Speaker 1: Yes, in the process of writing there right now. 604 00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:55,880 Speaker 2: As to the odds, you know that each guy is 605 00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:58,440 Speaker 2: going to sign, So I look forward to that what 606 00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:02,120 Speaker 2: of all of the and I'll make it about pending 607 00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:05,440 Speaker 2: free agents, but also players from the twenty three class 608 00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:07,360 Speaker 2: that have a year left on their deal or a 609 00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:10,960 Speaker 2: guy like Dax Hill as well. Which player represents the 610 00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:12,120 Speaker 2: most difficult decision? 611 00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:21,960 Speaker 3: I think BJ Hill is an interesting one. They could 612 00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:24,600 Speaker 3: move on from BJ and they have to take on 613 00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:28,120 Speaker 3: like seven and change and dead money and save almost 614 00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:32,960 Speaker 3: five in the cap, which is, you know, not a 615 00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:35,400 Speaker 3: lot of money in the big picture of it, but 616 00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:38,240 Speaker 3: when you're trying to figure out how to reorganize the 617 00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:40,760 Speaker 3: defense and how much do you want to kind of 618 00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:42,080 Speaker 3: run it back and how much do you want to 619 00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:44,800 Speaker 3: take a chance on new players and that do different things. 620 00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:47,920 Speaker 3: BJ is was a really interesting guy, and that you know, 621 00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:50,360 Speaker 3: he was a captain, which we know doesn't really mean 622 00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:54,680 Speaker 3: anything on defense. We particularly learned that like, but he 623 00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:57,040 Speaker 3: was a captain and he was playing all year. He 624 00:31:57,040 --> 00:32:01,160 Speaker 3: played hurt. They were using him in a weird way 625 00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:03,480 Speaker 3: in that he wasn't really used as a pass rusher. 626 00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:05,440 Speaker 3: He was using an early down run stopper, which I 627 00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:09,440 Speaker 3: don't know how much that fits who he is. I 628 00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:12,280 Speaker 3: think there's still value in him as a player, but 629 00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:16,360 Speaker 3: can you get better for that money that you would save. Also, 630 00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:20,520 Speaker 3: I don't think there's I think there's some internal belief 631 00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:23,000 Speaker 3: in Chris Jenkins, but there's big time question mark around 632 00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:25,400 Speaker 3: whether he'll ever be a guy yeah right now. Like 633 00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:28,640 Speaker 3: I quite famously felt better about Miles Murphy than I 634 00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:31,640 Speaker 3: last year than I than I do about Chris Jenkins 635 00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:32,040 Speaker 3: right now. 636 00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:34,240 Speaker 1: I just I don't You. 637 00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:35,840 Speaker 3: Got to see a lot, I think from him to 638 00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:37,600 Speaker 3: feel like he's going to get there, and so you 639 00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:41,000 Speaker 3: need an insurance on that under the assumption you're also 640 00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:42,760 Speaker 3: bringing in more players of his position. 641 00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:45,560 Speaker 1: So how they view that if they want to. 642 00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:47,880 Speaker 3: Totally get out of that game and change, I think 643 00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:50,880 Speaker 3: is going to be maybe a little bit indicative of 644 00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:54,200 Speaker 3: what direction the offseason goes. He has a two million 645 00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:55,920 Speaker 3: dollar roster bonus in the fifth day of the league 646 00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:58,160 Speaker 3: year that will kind of can maybe give us a 647 00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:01,600 Speaker 3: clue on what their decision has been rather than waiting 648 00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:05,640 Speaker 3: it out until camp or whatever. So I think that'll 649 00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:09,560 Speaker 3: be an interesting one. But I like BJ Hill in 650 00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:09,840 Speaker 3: the b. 651 00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:10,640 Speaker 1: J Hill role. 652 00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:13,160 Speaker 3: In the BJ Hill role, yes, so the reserve yea 653 00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:18,400 Speaker 3: or rotational defensive tackle can do different things. They've constantly 654 00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:22,640 Speaker 3: asked him to do too much since Larry Ogan Joey 655 00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:25,640 Speaker 3: left and so yeah, but but is that what is 656 00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:27,640 Speaker 3: that worth can they I just think that's gonna be 657 00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:28,520 Speaker 3: an interesting one to watch. 658 00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:32,280 Speaker 2: I expected you to say, Joseph, I. 659 00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:37,640 Speaker 3: Just don't think he fits what he's gonna get what 660 00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:41,400 Speaker 3: they need like they like you have Shamar Stewart, you 661 00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:45,400 Speaker 3: have Miles Murphy, you have like two's and. 662 00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:47,080 Speaker 1: He's a two. 663 00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:50,840 Speaker 3: And he's gonna be paid like paid, like maybe more 664 00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:53,840 Speaker 3: like a one because he dictates in free agency and 665 00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:56,360 Speaker 3: he's had an injury history, He's got this risk thing. 666 00:33:56,640 --> 00:34:00,000 Speaker 1: Like I just I think someone will. 667 00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:03,040 Speaker 3: Pay Joseph, and he's played well enough to get it. 668 00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:06,120 Speaker 3: I just don't know that what that costs what they 669 00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:12,560 Speaker 3: need fits here, And so for that fact, I feel 670 00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:17,279 Speaker 3: like more than likely will go. It's just a matter 671 00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:19,879 Speaker 3: of that. It's not that he's a bad player, it's 672 00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:22,640 Speaker 3: just where they're at. I think they could get They 673 00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:26,000 Speaker 3: probably feel like they could get somebody better that does. 674 00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:27,920 Speaker 1: Fit them better for that amount of money. 675 00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:31,239 Speaker 2: This is maybe a stupid question. It's not the first 676 00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:35,719 Speaker 2: one that I've asked. We're in the coaching cycle and 677 00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:39,680 Speaker 2: there's a lot of underwhelming names for what it's worth. 678 00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:41,040 Speaker 2: Lou An Romo is going to get a shot to 679 00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:42,920 Speaker 2: interview with the New York Giants for their vacancy and 680 00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:46,120 Speaker 2: the Titans. And the Titans, I'm looking at the ESPN 681 00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:48,319 Speaker 2: on Sunday morning during their pregame show, and they're throwing 682 00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:51,040 Speaker 2: up all these names of guys who could get a 683 00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:54,359 Speaker 2: chance to interview, and there's some retread to it. Man, 684 00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:57,680 Speaker 2: So the Bengals offense is good. Dan Pitcher's been here 685 00:34:57,719 --> 00:35:01,160 Speaker 2: for a while. Is it remotely surprise that somebody hasn't said, 686 00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:02,440 Speaker 2: let's give him an interview. 687 00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:06,160 Speaker 3: I thought it was more than remotely surprising last year 688 00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:09,680 Speaker 3: and they went six and eleven, and I get it, 689 00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:14,359 Speaker 3: you know there, So it's hard. If you need, you 690 00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:16,960 Speaker 3: usually need to win. But you know, Brian Callahan, when 691 00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:20,800 Speaker 3: they had to play with the backup quarterback, got his job. 692 00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:24,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's I have not. 693 00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:29,400 Speaker 3: I think it's there's there's a partial nature of the 694 00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:31,960 Speaker 3: just people just give Joe Burrow all the credit. 695 00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:35,320 Speaker 1: I have not for the life of me. Do you think. 696 00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:40,080 Speaker 2: Callahan's failure in Nashville hurts Pitcher as a prospective head 697 00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:43,239 Speaker 2: coach while the team is Maybe I mean it doesn't help. 698 00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:46,879 Speaker 3: It certainly doesn't help. I'd like to think of them 699 00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:49,600 Speaker 3: as different people. I don't think you can just lump 700 00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:54,560 Speaker 3: them together as you know, Burrow's kids. I don't think 701 00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:56,759 Speaker 3: that's fair. I don't think it's definitely not fair to Dan. 702 00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:00,879 Speaker 3: I have been surprised at how little he's gotten because 703 00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:05,360 Speaker 3: his background is different, Like Brian's background was quarterback guru, 704 00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:07,960 Speaker 3: so if you're taking a quarterback, you need to get 705 00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:10,520 Speaker 3: your quarterback situation fixed. He was the guy and it 706 00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:12,680 Speaker 3: didn't go well, get fired for cam mooreon ever really 707 00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:14,840 Speaker 3: even started playing and whatever. It's just a different story. 708 00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:21,200 Speaker 3: But pitches a much broader background in his background in analytics, 709 00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:26,240 Speaker 3: in scouting, is much more of an all encompassing head 710 00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:30,279 Speaker 3: coach type background than even Brian's was. And so that's 711 00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:33,799 Speaker 3: where I feel like I'm surprised more teams aren't intrigued 712 00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:36,480 Speaker 3: by that when he also brings the quarterback and the 713 00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:39,560 Speaker 3: offense stuff with him. So that's yeah, I don't will 714 00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:41,920 Speaker 3: see how that plays out, but yeah, you're right, I 715 00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:45,880 Speaker 3: mean in those names. That's the other, you know, less 716 00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:49,000 Speaker 3: discussed portion of the conversation that we had with my 717 00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:53,000 Speaker 3: piece is that this ain't a Ben Johnson Mike Rabel year. 718 00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:57,080 Speaker 3: I mean, it's different if that's sitting out there. If 719 00:36:57,120 --> 00:37:00,719 Speaker 3: Ben Johnson's sitting out here wants to come coach Joe 720 00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:04,839 Speaker 3: Burrow or Mike Rabel's like, let's do it, then then 721 00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:08,080 Speaker 3: maybe you're having different conversations. But that candidate doesn't exist. 722 00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:10,680 Speaker 3: I mean, the Bengals aren't the only ones that sat 723 00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:13,920 Speaker 3: okay Indy, I felt like I saw my guy zat 724 00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:16,719 Speaker 3: Kiefer for US wrote the Indie story on why they 725 00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:19,640 Speaker 3: decided to stand Pat with Shane Steichen and Chris Ballard 726 00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:22,319 Speaker 3: felt like he wrote the same story I did not 727 00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:23,440 Speaker 3: as pand. 728 00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:26,160 Speaker 1: I haven't read the comments, but I can. 729 00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:29,160 Speaker 3: It's fine, it's much more explanatory, but there's a new 730 00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:30,560 Speaker 3: ownership situation whatever. 731 00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:31,759 Speaker 1: That's not the only one. 732 00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:35,560 Speaker 3: Lot of places stood Pat that maybe you would have 733 00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:39,719 Speaker 3: thought changes could have happened, and so that I think 734 00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:42,680 Speaker 3: that's also partially response to just the lack of big 735 00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:44,799 Speaker 3: time candidates that happened to be out there this year. 736 00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:47,840 Speaker 1: Is this the least popular piece you've ever written? Probably? 737 00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:50,919 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know, man, I'd have to think 738 00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:52,759 Speaker 1: of something the top it. I knew it. 739 00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:56,160 Speaker 3: I said, I told, I said to my editor yesterday, Dave, 740 00:37:56,239 --> 00:37:59,360 Speaker 3: I said, I said, we might break the angry comments 741 00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:00,000 Speaker 3: effort tomorrow. 742 00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:02,400 Speaker 1: I'm not trying to. 743 00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:05,120 Speaker 3: I was like, I just feel like I want to 744 00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:09,759 Speaker 3: say this, and I know it's gonna probably be taken 745 00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:12,759 Speaker 3: the right way, the wrong way I mean and just 746 00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:15,560 Speaker 3: and obviously be poorly timed and the wrong topic. 747 00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:17,000 Speaker 1: At this moment. 748 00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:19,880 Speaker 2: I sat down this morning at ten minutes after nine o'clock. 749 00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:22,880 Speaker 2: I had taken my daughter to school, made a cup 750 00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:25,480 Speaker 2: of coffee, did a few things, and I sit down 751 00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:27,800 Speaker 2: at my desk in my office to you know, start 752 00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:29,640 Speaker 2: on the day. And the very first thing I see 753 00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:33,000 Speaker 2: is the tweet right from you sending out the piece. 754 00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:36,040 Speaker 2: And I wanted to just text you. We'd be like, oh, 755 00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:41,480 Speaker 2: thank you, thanks, one more thing, one more thing. Did 756 00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:43,440 Speaker 2: you guys want to laugh at Zach Taylor when he 757 00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:45,520 Speaker 2: was whining about the game being stopped on Sunday? 758 00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:51,560 Speaker 3: Not really well, I was more I was actually more 759 00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:55,760 Speaker 3: interested in the logistics of the fact that it truly 760 00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:59,319 Speaker 3: wasn't discussed to just write, what are we gonna do 761 00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:03,640 Speaker 3: if you were, as an as an officiating crew going 762 00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:07,160 Speaker 3: to stop the game? How does that not when you 763 00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:10,200 Speaker 3: knew they did talk about Miles's record in the pre 764 00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:12,919 Speaker 3: ninety minute before the game meeting, right, and you didn't say, 765 00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:16,000 Speaker 3: we'll probably stop the game. So even mention that, like, 766 00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:18,880 Speaker 3: to me, I was much more interested in just the 767 00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:21,319 Speaker 3: logistics over than the fact that he was whining about it. 768 00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:24,440 Speaker 2: So I was wondering about the logistics, but I was 769 00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:27,279 Speaker 2: wondering about it from Zach's perspective because we were doing 770 00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:30,359 Speaker 2: our show on Sunday morning, and I asked, kind of 771 00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:33,680 Speaker 2: just rhetorically, like if he breaks the record, is there 772 00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:35,799 Speaker 2: going to be a pause in the action? Like not, 773 00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:38,200 Speaker 2: we allowed a stage and let's bring him a car 774 00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:40,680 Speaker 2: and shower him with gifts like forty one ninety two, 775 00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:44,360 Speaker 2: But like, there's there have been records that have fallen, 776 00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:48,040 Speaker 2: and granted usually the player is performing at home, but 777 00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:51,319 Speaker 2: records that fall and they pause the game to acknowledge it. 778 00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:54,320 Speaker 2: If I'm wondering that at nine thirty in the morning, 779 00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:57,000 Speaker 2: shouldn't Zach Taylor be wondering that at nine thirty in 780 00:39:57,040 --> 00:39:59,600 Speaker 2: the morning enough to say to one of the officials, Hey, guys, 781 00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:03,239 Speaker 2: if he gets the sack, what happens. Yeah, So then 782 00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:05,680 Speaker 2: at least he can plan if our guy gets sacked 783 00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:08,840 Speaker 2: and it's Miles Garrett, here's what's gonna happen. So I 784 00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:12,200 Speaker 2: pin that on Zach. Yeah, and an example of his 785 00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:13,760 Speaker 2: lack of preparation for the moments. 786 00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:14,120 Speaker 1: Fair. 787 00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:18,359 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I I would assume that the I mean, 788 00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:20,160 Speaker 3: I don't know who the hell knows I would have. 789 00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:22,960 Speaker 3: I've never been in one of those meetings specifically. I 790 00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:25,879 Speaker 3: do know that they discussed Miles Garrett situation. But yeah, 791 00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:27,880 Speaker 3: if it wasn't said like are you going to stop 792 00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:29,480 Speaker 3: the game and we're in a two minute drill? M 793 00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:33,000 Speaker 3: m uh, yeah, that is probably on him as well. 794 00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:35,360 Speaker 3: But you would think the officials think that they're supposed 795 00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:38,040 Speaker 3: to be on top of that. I don't whining about it. 796 00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:39,920 Speaker 3: I mean I was so over the season at that point, 797 00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:42,879 Speaker 3: like whatever, does anybody care about what happened in this game? 798 00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:43,200 Speaker 2: No. 799 00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:46,400 Speaker 1: Only it mattered in that game was that Joe Burrow 800 00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:48,439 Speaker 1: was healthy. That's what I put on social media. 801 00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:51,520 Speaker 3: And he and they they had they coached and played 802 00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:55,040 Speaker 3: like it like they were in that game trying to 803 00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:56,920 Speaker 3: keep him healthy. And I don't have any problem with 804 00:40:56,960 --> 00:41:00,239 Speaker 3: that that personally, if not only that could have gone 805 00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:02,720 Speaker 3: wrong if I wrote it before the game even started. 806 00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:05,400 Speaker 3: The only thing that can go wrong today doesn't have 807 00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:07,520 Speaker 3: to do the winning, losing. 808 00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:09,120 Speaker 1: Any of it. None of it matters. 809 00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:11,759 Speaker 3: The only thing that matters is does Joe Burrow walk 810 00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:12,680 Speaker 3: off this field healthy? 811 00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:16,200 Speaker 2: I was watching though a local television station on Sunday night, 812 00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:19,040 Speaker 2: and one of the people on this local television station 813 00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:20,839 Speaker 2: referred to the loss as a heartbreaker. 814 00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:26,359 Speaker 1: Oh really, uh, it really was tough. 815 00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:28,560 Speaker 3: You just want to be seven and ten, I guess 816 00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:31,319 Speaker 3: so you can't six and eleven. It just feels so 817 00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:35,319 Speaker 3: much worse. Thank you as always, Thank you? Are there 818 00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:38,760 Speaker 3: any more any more comments that you didn't get into 819 00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:40,320 Speaker 3: any more nicknames? 820 00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:45,040 Speaker 1: Really? Just this is from Andy W. Really disappointing article, Paul. 821 00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:48,160 Speaker 2: This is a take that is incredibly myopic and misguided, 822 00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:51,640 Speaker 2: which is ironic considering the content is about how enacting 823 00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:54,000 Speaker 2: change would be a short sighted decision. 824 00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:57,080 Speaker 3: That wasn't as good as the other one that called 825 00:41:57,120 --> 00:42:00,319 Speaker 3: it hot garbage. Yeah, I'm sure they're a pilot up. 826 00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:03,000 Speaker 2: I'm sure you know you have the thing there where 827 00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:05,400 Speaker 2: like you have to hit load comments, there's more. I 828 00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:07,200 Speaker 2: do that like three times and I'm like, all right, 829 00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:09,160 Speaker 2: I got stuff to do. I can't do this all day, 830 00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:11,360 Speaker 2: but there were There's a lot there. 831 00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:13,040 Speaker 1: I know there is. I know there is. 832 00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:16,200 Speaker 2: Repaul's piece at the Athletic dot com. Make sure you 833 00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:19,520 Speaker 2: leave a comment and listen to the Growlar podcast as well. 834 00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:20,680 Speaker 1: We'll see you next week. 835 00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:23,560 Speaker 2: It is a five away from four o'clock. This is 836 00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:26,080 Speaker 2: ESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati sports station.