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Speaker 1: This is a podcast from WOR. Here's Larry Minti with

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Speaker 1: more of the WR Saturday Morning Show Welcome Back. Is

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Speaker 1: the Democratic Party reshaping itself in the image of Zorin Mamdanni.

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Speaker 1: Political strategist and author Melissa de Rosa says, don't be

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Speaker 1: too sure of that happening. I want to talk about

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Speaker 1: the Zorin Mamdanni effect on the Democratic Party and if

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Speaker 1: it's real, because you hear a lot of Republicans, especially saying, look,

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Speaker 1: they're going way far to the left, they're going to

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Speaker 1: be all socialist, and there has been some sign of that,

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Speaker 1: especially in a couple of the special elections, specifically in

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Speaker 1: Nashville and Tennessee. Would that be a mistake if they

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Speaker 1: follow the Zorin Mamdanni pattern and go that far to

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Speaker 1: the left coming up in the midterms?

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Speaker 2: One thousand percent can't overstate it enough. I mean, going

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Speaker 2: into the midterms right now, I think Democrats have the

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Speaker 2: upper hand on the economy, the sentiment in terms of

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Speaker 2: right track track that you know, never put it past

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Speaker 2: the Democrats to steal a victory, to steal defeat from

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Speaker 2: the jaws of victory. And the way that they would

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Speaker 2: do that is follow Zora Mamdami off a cliff. So,

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Speaker 2: I mean, when you think about it, Larry Zoramumdami got

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Speaker 2: barely hit fifty percent in New York City, which is

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Speaker 2: one of the bluest cities in America. I think the

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Speaker 2: turnout was something like seventy two percent Democrats and he

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Speaker 2: barely hit fifty percent. So he is absolutely not the

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Speaker 2: path forward for the party writ large. And if anybody

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Speaker 2: takes that lesson away from from that election, then they're

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Speaker 2: damning Democrats to stay in the minority.

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Speaker 1: And yet he did give us affordability. I remember when

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Speaker 1: he was first running and he went from one percent

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Speaker 1: up into double digits when the Democrats invited him to

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Speaker 1: Washington and all they wanted to do, even some of

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Speaker 1: the moderate Democrats wanted to hear about affordability. And now

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Speaker 1: we have the president on an affordability tour. But I

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Speaker 1: got a feeling he's going to be a much better

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Speaker 1: candidate than he's going to be a mayor.

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Speaker 2: Well, look, affordability is not a new concept, right. It

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Speaker 2: was Mario Cuomo, a Tale of Two Cities. It was

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Speaker 2: you know, Bill Clinton, it was Barack Obama, It's Donald

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Speaker 2: Trump was swept into office in twenty twenty four, running

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Speaker 2: on making life more affordable. They're just different words to

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Speaker 2: describe the same issue, which is, it's the economy stupid.

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Speaker 2: But Zahon Mamdami one promising the star the moon in

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Speaker 2: the skies, and you know, I don't think it's going

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Speaker 2: to take very long for people to recognize that he

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Speaker 2: can't deliver any of it. And so it's one thing

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Speaker 2: to campaign on issues and get people excited about free

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Speaker 2: this and free that. It's another thing to have to govern,

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Speaker 2: which is when the rubber meets the road, and I

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Speaker 2: think very quickly people are going to be unhappy with

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Speaker 2: the fact that he can't deliver on any of the

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Speaker 2: things he said he was going to deliver on. And

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Speaker 2: at the same time, I think we're going to see

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Speaker 2: some real quality of life rollbacks in New York City

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Speaker 2: and some real public safety concerns. So again, Democrats follow

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Speaker 2: this guy off a quiff at their own peril.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I tell you what I don't want to domand

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Speaker 1: is the effect of the word affordability because everybody's using

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Speaker 1: it now. A lot of politics is just marketing, and

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Speaker 1: this was a great marketing word. It made it personal.

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Speaker 1: I can't afford this, and that's why everybody seems to

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Speaker 1: be using it. Now. Look I'm not as oramam Donny Fan.

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Speaker 1: I think you're absolutely right. He's not going to be

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Speaker 1: able to do half of the things he says, if

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Speaker 1: any of them, and I think New York's in for

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Speaker 1: a rude awakening. But that affordability thing, I will give

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Speaker 1: him credit for. It seems like that is the word

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Speaker 1: of the day. It's just the economy of what he's

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Speaker 1: talking about. But this makes it personal, doesn't it? No?

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, And look, I hear it all day long from

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Speaker 2: family members, You read about it in the press, you

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Speaker 2: feel it in your daily life. You walk into a

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Speaker 2: grocery store and strawberries are nine to ninety nine and

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Speaker 2: you forego buying strawberry? Is that something that people have

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Speaker 2: never done or haven't done in decades? You know everywhere

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Speaker 2: you go, And you've got the Treasury Secretary acknowledging that

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Speaker 2: interested Jason. Parts of the economy are already in recession.

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Speaker 2: So it is a very real thing that Americans are

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Speaker 2: struggling to make ends meet. And so emphasizing and identifying

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Speaker 2: and touching that nerve and saying to people I hear you,

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Speaker 2: and I'm going to fight for you. Certainly is resonating electorally.

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Speaker 2: Now the question is how do you do it? How

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Speaker 2: do you get it done? And I think that that's

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Speaker 2: where you're going to see is or on Mum Jammy fail.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, since you're quoting Bess, and I will so also

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Speaker 1: point out that he blamed Biden for all of that,

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Speaker 1: so he didn't take any of them. He didn't take

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Speaker 1: any of the blame for that at all. How about

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Speaker 1: Bruce Blakeman jumping in the race, how does that affect

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Speaker 1: the good edatorial race in New York.

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Speaker 2: You know, it's interesting because I actually think that Republicans

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Speaker 2: have the best shot at winning statewide office, and they

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Speaker 2: have since George Pataki. Because are on Mum Jommy, I

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Speaker 2: think that you're going to see, you know, people tend

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Speaker 2: to correct for the politicians, and the pendulum swings back

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Speaker 2: both ways. It's sort of like how you see in Massachusetts,

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Speaker 2: which is a very blue state, but every couple of

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Speaker 2: cycles you elect a Scott Brown, you elect a Republican

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Speaker 2: to be statewide either governor or US Senator. And I

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Speaker 2: think you could see that in New York if Zorn

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Speaker 2: ends up being the debacle. I believe he's going to

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Speaker 2: be and people want to course correct and go more

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Speaker 2: to the center. So you sort of have this gift

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Speaker 2: for the Republicans statewide in New York. But you know

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Speaker 2: they're now going to engage in their own primary, which

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Speaker 2: is going to cost time and attention. There's going to

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Speaker 2: be infighting, and so I think it diminishes their chance

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Speaker 2: to be victorious in the fall if they engage in

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Speaker 2: a nasty primary battle.

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Speaker 1: Boy did did I almost said Melsten to Rosa. Boy

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Speaker 1: did Kathy Hokel make a mistake in painting herself into

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Speaker 1: this socialist corner? And now she has to keep saying

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Speaker 1: to mom Donnie, No, you're not going to get that. No,

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Speaker 1: you're not going to get that. Because she's running for

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Speaker 1: a midterm she can't she can't raise taxes, she can't

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Speaker 1: give him money right now, specifically for New York City

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Speaker 1: and win in re election. And yet she hugged them,

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Speaker 1: she was right there with them. I don't know what

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Speaker 1: she was thinking. I thought it was a horrible political move.

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Speaker 1: Do you look.

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Speaker 2: She's got nothing, if not terrible political instincts. And she

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Speaker 2: could have used Zora Mumjammy as a foil for herself

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Speaker 2: going into the midterms, and I think instead she made

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Speaker 2: a calculus that she's going to need New York City

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Speaker 2: to come out big for her in order to win

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Speaker 2: if she's going to lose the suburbs in Upstate where

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Speaker 2: she's pulling abysmally. And what she didn't seem to understand

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Speaker 2: is there's no transference of those votes Zora Mumjammy's votes,

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Speaker 2: which are young, which are voters who don't traditionally vote,

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Speaker 2: you know, low propensity voters who were excited about him,

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Speaker 2: who were excited watching TikTok, excited about his three word

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Speaker 2: slogans freeze the rent. They're not just going to auto

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Speaker 2: manically go to you because you endorsed him. And then

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Speaker 2: what happens is the DSA last week put out their

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Speaker 2: enemies list and she's at the top of it. So

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Speaker 2: you know, she gets all of the downside and none

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Speaker 2: of the upside. But they know that's Kathy Hockel. She's

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Speaker 2: not the best when it comes to political calculator.

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Speaker 1: And now she owns them everything he does, every failure

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Speaker 1: he makes. It's part of Kathy Hockel's legacy. Political strategist

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Speaker 1: and author Melissa de Rosa. This has been a podcast

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