1 00:00:00,760 --> 00:00:01,040 Speaker 1: To night. 2 00:00:01,080 --> 00:00:03,680 Speaker 2: Michael Brown joined me here, the former FEMA director of talk. 3 00:00:03,560 --> 00:00:04,560 Speaker 1: Show host Michael Brown. 4 00:00:04,640 --> 00:00:07,040 Speaker 2: Brownie, no, Brownie, You're doing a heck of a job. 5 00:00:07,240 --> 00:00:10,440 Speaker 2: The Weekend with Michael Brown. We're gonna get started and 6 00:00:10,480 --> 00:00:15,000 Speaker 2: try to start this program all over again. Say it's 7 00:00:15,000 --> 00:00:19,079 Speaker 2: a crazy Saturday, crazy Saturday. So yes, I'm broadcast now. 8 00:00:19,160 --> 00:00:22,520 Speaker 2: I am truly broadcasting life from Denver, Colorado, and it 9 00:00:22,600 --> 00:00:24,759 Speaker 2: is the Weekend with Michael Brown. And I really am 10 00:00:24,840 --> 00:00:26,599 Speaker 2: glad that you have joined me. So I think we've 11 00:00:26,640 --> 00:00:29,040 Speaker 2: got something working. As long as we got it working, 12 00:00:29,040 --> 00:00:30,479 Speaker 2: mem As, we'll try to keep it going. 13 00:00:31,120 --> 00:00:31,520 Speaker 1: Uh. 14 00:00:31,960 --> 00:00:34,360 Speaker 2: The text line, as usual is always open the numbers 15 00:00:34,360 --> 00:00:37,199 Speaker 2: three three one zero three three three one zero three, 16 00:00:37,479 --> 00:00:40,120 Speaker 2: keyword Mike or Michael. So tell me anything or ask 17 00:00:40,200 --> 00:00:42,880 Speaker 2: me anything, and let's get started. What I want to 18 00:00:42,920 --> 00:00:51,559 Speaker 2: start with today is the Epstein files. Yes, because it is. 19 00:00:51,680 --> 00:00:56,400 Speaker 2: The coverage about the release of these three million plus 20 00:00:56,440 --> 00:01:00,840 Speaker 2: records is completely over the top. So let's go through 21 00:01:01,720 --> 00:01:05,080 Speaker 2: how we got here, and then let's talk about really 22 00:01:05,240 --> 00:01:08,160 Speaker 2: where we are with regard to the files. Because if 23 00:01:08,160 --> 00:01:12,240 Speaker 2: you're listening at all to I will say at this point, 24 00:01:12,560 --> 00:01:15,800 Speaker 2: I think if you're listening to anybody in the mainstream media, 25 00:01:16,319 --> 00:01:20,640 Speaker 2: whether that's the cables, the networks, Fox News, Newsmax, any 26 00:01:20,680 --> 00:01:24,280 Speaker 2: of them. I don't think you're getting an appropriately objective 27 00:01:24,319 --> 00:01:28,080 Speaker 2: point of view about what these Epstein files really mean. 28 00:01:28,800 --> 00:01:30,080 Speaker 2: So I'm going to walk through that and try to 29 00:01:30,120 --> 00:01:32,160 Speaker 2: explain it to you. So here's a little bit of 30 00:01:32,200 --> 00:01:37,000 Speaker 2: the history the media. In December of twenty twenty five, 31 00:01:37,160 --> 00:01:43,240 Speaker 2: just last month, all the media outlets, conservative, liberal, whatever, 32 00:01:43,480 --> 00:01:47,240 Speaker 2: they all noted that Trump was mentioned rarely in the 33 00:01:47,280 --> 00:01:51,120 Speaker 2: first major release, the first trunch of records that came out, 34 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:55,840 Speaker 2: Trump was rarely mentioned. He appeared mostly in photos and emails, 35 00:01:56,720 --> 00:02:02,320 Speaker 2: and it was primarily where Epstein discussed trump presidency. It 36 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:06,160 Speaker 2: was nothing to do. It was not a conversation between 37 00:02:06,160 --> 00:02:08,960 Speaker 2: Epstein and Trump. It was Trump. It was Epstein and 38 00:02:09,040 --> 00:02:13,520 Speaker 2: others discussing Trump and the presidency. And in that first trunch, 39 00:02:13,600 --> 00:02:17,760 Speaker 2: in that first group of documents, Bill Clinton appeared far 40 00:02:17,880 --> 00:02:20,800 Speaker 2: more prominently in the photos, including remember in a jacuzzie 41 00:02:20,840 --> 00:02:27,760 Speaker 2: with Gislaine Maxwell, and Clinton's spokesperson used that photo to 42 00:02:27,840 --> 00:02:32,240 Speaker 2: accuse the Department of Justice of selective disclosure trying to 43 00:02:32,320 --> 00:02:38,520 Speaker 2: shield Donald Trump. Then late December through this month we 44 00:02:38,600 --> 00:02:42,520 Speaker 2: get subsequent releases of these files, and the coverage all 45 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:46,280 Speaker 2: of a sudden shifted dramatically when the additional tranches included 46 00:02:46,960 --> 00:02:53,440 Speaker 2: FBI tip spreadsheets with unverified allegations against Donald Trump. And 47 00:02:53,520 --> 00:02:57,320 Speaker 2: that's when the headlines over the past forty eight hours 48 00:02:57,680 --> 00:03:04,440 Speaker 2: became sensational references to a nineteen ninety six complaint alleging 49 00:03:04,560 --> 00:03:08,160 Speaker 2: the rape of a thirteen year old. There were claims 50 00:03:08,160 --> 00:03:12,519 Speaker 2: that Trump had quote auctioned off children at mar Lago 51 00:03:12,720 --> 00:03:16,480 Speaker 2: at some sort of calendar girl parties. Then there were 52 00:03:16,520 --> 00:03:21,079 Speaker 2: allegations that Trump was present when some infant got murdered. 53 00:03:22,360 --> 00:03:26,720 Speaker 2: Now let's get to the current coverage January thirty, twenty 54 00:03:26,720 --> 00:03:31,720 Speaker 2: twenty six, yesterday, it would technically been Friday, January thirty. 55 00:03:32,680 --> 00:03:36,320 Speaker 2: Major outlets are now emphasizing that Trump's Department of Justice 56 00:03:36,360 --> 00:03:41,040 Speaker 2: released these files, noting the irony that Trump's own administration 57 00:03:41,200 --> 00:03:47,440 Speaker 2: disclosed damaging allegations, But most mainstream outlets are including Department 58 00:03:47,520 --> 00:03:51,840 Speaker 2: of Justice disclaimers that the files contain and I quote, 59 00:03:52,440 --> 00:03:59,040 Speaker 2: untrue and sensationalistic claims close quote that were submitted quote 60 00:03:59,520 --> 00:04:03,960 Speaker 2: right before the twenty twenty election close quote. So even 61 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:07,400 Speaker 2: the mainstream outlets and I think let me just give 62 00:04:07,440 --> 00:04:10,680 Speaker 2: you a footnote here. I believe that the mainstream outlets 63 00:04:11,120 --> 00:04:15,680 Speaker 2: within the kabal are talking about how these files, these 64 00:04:15,720 --> 00:04:20,400 Speaker 2: three million pages contain untrue and sensationalistic claims that were 65 00:04:20,400 --> 00:04:23,520 Speaker 2: submitted right before the twenty twenty election, and they're doing 66 00:04:23,560 --> 00:04:25,880 Speaker 2: so because they don't want to be accused of libel 67 00:04:25,880 --> 00:04:33,359 Speaker 2: and slander or defamation by furthering unsubstantiated, untrue claims again 68 00:04:33,440 --> 00:04:36,960 Speaker 2: that were submitted right before the twenty twenty election. So 69 00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:40,760 Speaker 2: now we got a partisan split, and it's predictable. The 70 00:04:40,839 --> 00:04:44,520 Speaker 2: left leaning outlets in the cabal or emphasizing the allegations exist. 71 00:04:45,680 --> 00:04:50,280 Speaker 2: The right leaning outlets emphasize that their unverified tips that 72 00:04:50,400 --> 00:04:56,320 Speaker 2: were never investigated, never substantiated. So here's where here's what 73 00:04:56,360 --> 00:04:59,839 Speaker 2: I want to arm you with. Let's first think about 74 00:04:59,839 --> 00:05:04,040 Speaker 2: the legal standard for an FBI tip. You could leave 75 00:05:04,080 --> 00:05:08,719 Speaker 2: a tip today. You could leave in a completely false 76 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:14,800 Speaker 2: tip about me or anybody else. So these three million 77 00:05:14,880 --> 00:05:19,360 Speaker 2: pages that everybody's all apoplectic about include what the FBI 78 00:05:19,520 --> 00:05:24,880 Speaker 2: calls in talk reports National Threat Operations Center. That's what 79 00:05:24,920 --> 00:05:29,360 Speaker 2: in talk stands for NTOC. So the files include these 80 00:05:29,440 --> 00:05:34,840 Speaker 2: in talk reports. And these are four categories unvetted. The 81 00:05:35,040 --> 00:05:38,919 Speaker 2: first of all, they're unvetted intake forms. Literally, anyone can 82 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:44,120 Speaker 2: call and submit either through a phone call or online 83 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:49,000 Speaker 2: a tip. It's not vetted, it's not verified. Anybody can 84 00:05:49,040 --> 00:05:51,120 Speaker 2: do it. If you wanted to do one right now, 85 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:53,440 Speaker 2: you go online and do one right now. That's the 86 00:05:53,480 --> 00:05:55,320 Speaker 2: first thing you need to know. The second thing that 87 00:05:55,360 --> 00:05:58,440 Speaker 2: you need to know is these are not investigated claims. 88 00:05:58,880 --> 00:06:03,200 Speaker 2: There's been no investigation whatsoever. In fact, you should note 89 00:06:03,240 --> 00:06:08,680 Speaker 2: that many of these documents themselves say that there was 90 00:06:08,880 --> 00:06:15,760 Speaker 2: no contact information provided, there was no voicemail left, and 91 00:06:15,800 --> 00:06:20,200 Speaker 2: there was no response to any callback. So the FBI 92 00:06:20,839 --> 00:06:22,480 Speaker 2: you leave a tip, you don't leave your name, you 93 00:06:22,480 --> 00:06:27,080 Speaker 2: don't leave anything, or you left no voicemail, you left 94 00:06:27,080 --> 00:06:29,839 Speaker 2: no phone number, or maybe you left the phone number 95 00:06:29,839 --> 00:06:31,680 Speaker 2: and the FBI tried to call the phone number back 96 00:06:31,800 --> 00:06:36,200 Speaker 2: and there was no response, no answer, no voicemail, nothing. 97 00:06:37,080 --> 00:06:38,520 Speaker 2: Those are the first two things you need to know 98 00:06:38,520 --> 00:06:40,599 Speaker 2: about these documents. The third thing you need to know 99 00:06:40,600 --> 00:06:46,200 Speaker 2: about the documents it's secondhand information. The files themselves that 100 00:06:46,279 --> 00:06:51,160 Speaker 2: were released explicitly note that quote. Some individuals are reporting 101 00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:57,720 Speaker 2: second hand information, which means that, oh, you heard something oh, 102 00:06:58,080 --> 00:07:01,080 Speaker 2: you Billy Bob heard something. So Billy Bob calls the 103 00:07:01,160 --> 00:07:03,480 Speaker 2: FBI and says, guess what I heard and leaves a 104 00:07:03,560 --> 00:07:08,920 Speaker 2: voicemail or does an online tip. Well, clearly, I doubt 105 00:07:08,960 --> 00:07:10,800 Speaker 2: the FBI is going to waste much time on that. 106 00:07:11,720 --> 00:07:13,240 Speaker 2: Even if you claim that you know, I got a 107 00:07:13,240 --> 00:07:15,200 Speaker 2: bomb and I'm going to blow up in New York City, 108 00:07:15,440 --> 00:07:18,200 Speaker 2: I'm not really sure that, absent anything else, the FBI 109 00:07:18,240 --> 00:07:27,800 Speaker 2: is going to investigate that. I'll be right back. Hey, 110 00:07:27,840 --> 00:07:29,600 Speaker 2: welcome back to the Weekend with Michael Brown. Glad to 111 00:07:29,640 --> 00:07:32,000 Speaker 2: have you with me. I appreciate you tuning in. I 112 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:33,760 Speaker 2: just want to mind everybody, we're having some sort of 113 00:07:33,760 --> 00:07:37,680 Speaker 2: technical difficulties today. So if the program doesn't sound quite right, 114 00:07:37,920 --> 00:07:41,880 Speaker 2: or you're not getting it or whatever, we totally understand. 115 00:07:41,920 --> 00:07:44,160 Speaker 2: I got an engineer in them. We're trying to get 116 00:07:44,200 --> 00:07:47,440 Speaker 2: things fixed, and we're trying to see how we can give. 117 00:07:47,360 --> 00:07:47,880 Speaker 1: Things to work. 118 00:07:47,920 --> 00:07:50,880 Speaker 2: But we're going to muddle through this anyway because I'm 119 00:07:50,920 --> 00:07:53,960 Speaker 2: not going to clip. So we're talking about the Epstein 120 00:07:54,040 --> 00:07:58,120 Speaker 2: files because what I'm really trying to accomplish is to 121 00:07:58,120 --> 00:08:01,040 Speaker 2: give you a little bit of perspective about what it 122 00:08:01,080 --> 00:08:06,080 Speaker 2: really means. Because I know that as someone who consumes 123 00:08:06,080 --> 00:08:08,600 Speaker 2: the news myself, I know that everything is over the 124 00:08:08,640 --> 00:08:14,240 Speaker 2: top and oh, my gosh, Trump, you know, Trump engaged 125 00:08:14,280 --> 00:08:17,120 Speaker 2: in some oral sex. Trump was around when some little 126 00:08:17,200 --> 00:08:21,440 Speaker 2: child got murdered. Trump auction girls off. All of these 127 00:08:21,440 --> 00:08:26,720 Speaker 2: are tips. All of these are non substance, you know, unsubstantiated, 128 00:08:27,440 --> 00:08:33,880 Speaker 2: not investigated, many times, almost always anonymous tips. And when 129 00:08:33,880 --> 00:08:37,760 Speaker 2: the FBI receives these, these in talks, these National Threat 130 00:08:37,800 --> 00:08:42,200 Speaker 2: Operations Center tips, which you know, if you don't believe me, 131 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:46,960 Speaker 2: just go on to the FBI website and look for 132 00:08:47,160 --> 00:08:49,959 Speaker 2: the tip line and you don't have to leave a tip. 133 00:08:50,400 --> 00:08:52,400 Speaker 2: In fact, I would encourage you not to, because they're 134 00:08:52,400 --> 00:08:57,040 Speaker 2: overworked anyway. But pull the format, look at it, see 135 00:08:57,120 --> 00:08:59,400 Speaker 2: for yourself what these look like. Quit relying on the 136 00:08:59,400 --> 00:09:02,880 Speaker 2: stupid media to tell you what's going on here. Now 137 00:09:03,640 --> 00:09:06,800 Speaker 2: let's talk about the legal terms, because in legal terms, 138 00:09:06,920 --> 00:09:09,600 Speaker 2: these are not even at the level of an allegation, 139 00:09:10,360 --> 00:09:14,520 Speaker 2: at least in the formal sense. They're raw tips that 140 00:09:14,720 --> 00:09:19,520 Speaker 2: never progressed to an investigation. Even the Department of Justice's 141 00:09:19,559 --> 00:09:25,439 Speaker 2: own statement confirms this. Being mentioned in the files that 142 00:09:25,559 --> 00:09:31,240 Speaker 2: quote include unvetted submissions made to the FBI. Epstein's private 143 00:09:31,240 --> 00:09:35,600 Speaker 2: correspondence in court records is not a sign of wrongdoing 144 00:09:36,120 --> 00:09:42,479 Speaker 2: or even association with Epstein's crimes. So, if you're a prosecutor, 145 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:45,760 Speaker 2: let's you and I play prosecutor for a moment, and 146 00:09:45,840 --> 00:09:49,880 Speaker 2: let's think about the investigative reality, because here's what's here's 147 00:09:49,880 --> 00:09:57,559 Speaker 2: what matters. FBI three h two interviews. Let's sting in 148 00:09:57,640 --> 00:10:00,600 Speaker 2: terms of what we do have. What do we have 149 00:10:00,840 --> 00:10:04,439 Speaker 2: in the in these documents? We have FBI three o 150 00:10:04,640 --> 00:10:11,320 Speaker 2: two interviews with verified victims. These are formal investigative interview records. 151 00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:15,160 Speaker 2: You've heard me talk before about the Form three oh two. 152 00:10:15,360 --> 00:10:18,800 Speaker 2: That's where an FBI agent or agents sit down either 153 00:10:18,880 --> 00:10:21,640 Speaker 2: in a field office or maybe in your home somewhere, 154 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:25,040 Speaker 2: and they conduct an interview and they take notes. That's 155 00:10:25,040 --> 00:10:28,080 Speaker 2: a Form three oh two. And we have some Form 156 00:10:28,160 --> 00:10:32,960 Speaker 2: three o twos in these files with verified victims. One 157 00:10:33,360 --> 00:10:36,400 Speaker 2: Form three oh two from the year twenty twenty one 158 00:10:37,240 --> 00:10:41,359 Speaker 2: is where a victim says that Gislain Maxwell Epstein's girlfriend 159 00:10:41,960 --> 00:10:46,400 Speaker 2: presented a woman or a girl to Trump at a party. 160 00:10:47,200 --> 00:10:52,240 Speaker 2: Quote like a professional CV a curriculum vita, a resume. 161 00:10:53,720 --> 00:10:56,600 Speaker 2: That very same victim says that Trump gave her a 162 00:10:56,640 --> 00:11:01,440 Speaker 2: tour of mar Algo with Epstein and Maxwell present. But 163 00:11:01,480 --> 00:11:06,439 Speaker 2: here's what's critically important. That's saying, victim clarify quote clarified 164 00:11:06,480 --> 00:11:08,760 Speaker 2: that nothing happened between the victim and Trump. 165 00:11:08,800 --> 00:11:09,520 Speaker 1: Close quote. 166 00:11:10,600 --> 00:11:13,760 Speaker 2: So that's an example of what we do have, an 167 00:11:13,800 --> 00:11:19,640 Speaker 2: example of. Okay, so you know, Epstein and Maxwell are 168 00:11:19,679 --> 00:11:23,440 Speaker 2: at marl Largo. They've got some girl. Trump didn't ask 169 00:11:23,520 --> 00:11:25,400 Speaker 2: for an ID, let me see your age, let me 170 00:11:25,400 --> 00:11:28,400 Speaker 2: see your driver's license, anything else. They just introduced this 171 00:11:28,520 --> 00:11:30,600 Speaker 2: girl to Trump and Trump said, well, let me give 172 00:11:30,600 --> 00:11:33,240 Speaker 2: you a tur of my resort, and he gives a 173 00:11:33,240 --> 00:11:37,680 Speaker 2: tour of the resort, and the victim clarifies that, oh yeah, 174 00:11:37,679 --> 00:11:40,840 Speaker 2: I felt like I was being presented, but nothing happened 175 00:11:40,880 --> 00:11:45,160 Speaker 2: between me and Trump. Here's what we don't have. We 176 00:11:45,200 --> 00:11:50,240 Speaker 2: don't have any FBI three or two interview documenting an 177 00:11:50,280 --> 00:11:55,840 Speaker 2: allegation of criminal conduct by Donald Trump. Well, we don't 178 00:11:55,840 --> 00:11:58,520 Speaker 2: have as any evidence that the FBI investigated Trump in 179 00:11:58,559 --> 00:12:02,240 Speaker 2: connection with Epstein's crime. We don't have any victim coming 180 00:12:02,280 --> 00:12:06,040 Speaker 2: forward publicly to accuse Trump of abuse through Epstein, and 181 00:12:06,120 --> 00:12:08,640 Speaker 2: we don't have any draft indictment. We don't have any 182 00:12:08,679 --> 00:12:14,680 Speaker 2: prosecutorial memo. We don't have any charging document naming Donald Trump. Now, 183 00:12:14,960 --> 00:12:17,559 Speaker 2: lit'sten sert a little history here, because I think people 184 00:12:17,559 --> 00:12:21,880 Speaker 2: tend to forget this. The Deputy Attorney General Todd Blanche, 185 00:12:22,080 --> 00:12:26,800 Speaker 2: who yes, was Donald Trump's personal lawyer, interviewed Gislaine Maxwell 186 00:12:26,840 --> 00:12:29,840 Speaker 2: in September twenty twenty five, and she said that Trump 187 00:12:29,960 --> 00:12:32,960 Speaker 2: was quote a gentleman in all respects, and that she 188 00:12:33,040 --> 00:12:36,520 Speaker 2: never saw him do anything inappropriate with anyone associated with Epstein. 189 00:12:37,200 --> 00:12:40,319 Speaker 2: Now you can't argue that Maxting's You know that Maxwell's 190 00:12:40,600 --> 00:12:43,719 Speaker 2: credibility is zero. I tell you She's zero. She's a 191 00:12:43,760 --> 00:12:50,320 Speaker 2: convicted sex trafficker. But prosecutorially, if the co conspirator who 192 00:12:50,400 --> 00:12:53,960 Speaker 2: was recruiting victims says she never saw Trump engage in 193 00:12:53,960 --> 00:12:57,840 Speaker 2: criminal conduct, that's devastating to any theory that he was 194 00:12:57,880 --> 00:13:01,800 Speaker 2: somehow involved in these sex crimes. So that gets us 195 00:13:01,800 --> 00:13:06,120 Speaker 2: to a legal bottom line. The inclusion of Trump's name 196 00:13:06,720 --> 00:13:10,880 Speaker 2: means someone made an allegation to the FBI, nothing else, 197 00:13:11,360 --> 00:13:16,040 Speaker 2: nothing more, nothing less, And in our legal system, that 198 00:13:16,360 --> 00:13:22,160 Speaker 2: is a raw, unverified tip that is not evidence. An 199 00:13:22,160 --> 00:13:28,560 Speaker 2: anonymous secondhand report does not rise to probable cause, and 200 00:13:28,679 --> 00:13:32,240 Speaker 2: just because the media is covering it doesn't put anybody 201 00:13:32,280 --> 00:13:36,679 Speaker 2: in legal jeopardy, particularly if they're just reporting. Oh, the 202 00:13:36,720 --> 00:13:39,680 Speaker 2: document says, now if they try to interpret the document, 203 00:13:40,200 --> 00:13:43,160 Speaker 2: if they try to imply something, that might cross over 204 00:13:43,200 --> 00:13:51,000 Speaker 2: into defamation. But as I've freely told everybody, I was 205 00:13:51,040 --> 00:13:54,680 Speaker 2: interviewed by the FBI back in oh back when I 206 00:13:54,720 --> 00:13:57,199 Speaker 2: was in high school. Someone made a bomb threat to 207 00:13:57,200 --> 00:14:00,320 Speaker 2: for our high school. The FBI shows up with my door. 208 00:14:01,160 --> 00:14:03,800 Speaker 2: This is before my parents got home. So I'm at home. 209 00:14:03,880 --> 00:14:05,640 Speaker 2: You know, I don't know. I don't have any idea 210 00:14:05,679 --> 00:14:07,560 Speaker 2: what I was doing. I just remember that there was 211 00:14:07,600 --> 00:14:10,679 Speaker 2: a doorbell ring that I walked to the door and 212 00:14:10,760 --> 00:14:12,640 Speaker 2: there were a couple of guys, you know, like men 213 00:14:12,679 --> 00:14:14,320 Speaker 2: in black. There were a couple of guys, you know, 214 00:14:14,400 --> 00:14:16,600 Speaker 2: with a car parked out front. And I opened the 215 00:14:16,600 --> 00:14:18,559 Speaker 2: door and said, you know, can I help you? And 216 00:14:18,600 --> 00:14:21,240 Speaker 2: they said, we're with the FBI or you Michael Brown? 217 00:14:21,560 --> 00:14:24,120 Speaker 2: And I said yes, And they said, well, we'd like 218 00:14:24,160 --> 00:14:26,560 Speaker 2: to speak to you or your parents here and I said, no, 219 00:14:26,600 --> 00:14:29,320 Speaker 2: they're not, but you can come back when they are. 220 00:14:30,600 --> 00:14:33,480 Speaker 2: And so they left and they came back. They came 221 00:14:33,480 --> 00:14:35,760 Speaker 2: back after you know, five or five thirty whenever my 222 00:14:35,880 --> 00:14:38,440 Speaker 2: parents got there and they came in, they sat down, 223 00:14:39,360 --> 00:14:41,720 Speaker 2: sat down the front living room of the house that 224 00:14:41,760 --> 00:14:45,480 Speaker 2: my mom still lives in, and they asked me if 225 00:14:45,560 --> 00:14:46,880 Speaker 2: you know They said, well, you know, there's there was 226 00:14:46,880 --> 00:14:49,280 Speaker 2: a bomb threat made at this you know, at your 227 00:14:49,320 --> 00:14:52,840 Speaker 2: high school yesterday or day before or whatever. Do you 228 00:14:52,840 --> 00:14:56,520 Speaker 2: know anything about it? Yeah, here's what I know about it. 229 00:14:57,400 --> 00:15:00,800 Speaker 2: I was in class and the bell rang and there 230 00:15:00,880 --> 00:15:03,280 Speaker 2: was something announced, and we were told to evacuate the 231 00:15:03,320 --> 00:15:06,000 Speaker 2: school and we all left the school. And I was 232 00:15:06,040 --> 00:15:08,720 Speaker 2: told later that there was a bomb threat. Well, do 233 00:15:08,720 --> 00:15:09,320 Speaker 2: you know who did it? 234 00:15:09,400 --> 00:15:12,160 Speaker 1: No? Do you know who might have done it? No? 235 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:15,200 Speaker 1: Do you know anything you want to tell us about it? No? 236 00:15:15,480 --> 00:15:18,480 Speaker 2: I don't know anything about it. Now I will tell 237 00:15:18,520 --> 00:15:22,920 Speaker 2: you probably some twenty five thirty years later. I think 238 00:15:22,960 --> 00:15:26,720 Speaker 2: I learned who actually called in that bomb threat. But 239 00:15:26,840 --> 00:15:29,680 Speaker 2: at the time I had no idea, and it actually 240 00:15:29,760 --> 00:15:31,800 Speaker 2: wasn't a bomb. It was just some kid, you know, 241 00:15:31,840 --> 00:15:33,600 Speaker 2: some kid that I knew. There was a couple of 242 00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:37,440 Speaker 2: grades ahead of me that made the threat. The point is, 243 00:15:37,480 --> 00:15:40,600 Speaker 2: the FBI received thousands of tips every single day, and 244 00:15:40,640 --> 00:15:45,640 Speaker 2: most are just garbage, and some are politically motivated the 245 00:15:45,760 --> 00:15:48,920 Speaker 2: fact that tips exist in a file does not mean 246 00:15:48,920 --> 00:15:52,440 Speaker 2: that they're credible, much less true. The legal standard is this, 247 00:15:52,840 --> 00:15:57,920 Speaker 2: did investigators find corroboration, did they develop probable cause? Did 248 00:15:57,920 --> 00:16:00,840 Speaker 2: the prosecutors ever draft charges? And here we know the 249 00:16:00,880 --> 00:16:04,120 Speaker 2: answer is clearly no. And we know the answer is 250 00:16:04,240 --> 00:16:08,000 Speaker 2: no because three reasons. The Department of Justice said there 251 00:16:08,040 --> 00:16:11,320 Speaker 2: was no credible evidence of a client list or that 252 00:16:11,360 --> 00:16:15,080 Speaker 2: there were uncharged third parties that committed crimes. There were 253 00:16:15,080 --> 00:16:17,480 Speaker 2: no charging documents that we can find that exists so far. 254 00:16:17,560 --> 00:16:20,040 Speaker 2: Now there's still documents to be released, but so far 255 00:16:20,120 --> 00:16:24,280 Speaker 2: we have no credible evidence of a client list and 256 00:16:24,320 --> 00:16:27,680 Speaker 2: we have no charging documents. In other words, it never 257 00:16:27,720 --> 00:16:29,920 Speaker 2: got beyond a tip, and many of the tips were 258 00:16:29,960 --> 00:16:32,640 Speaker 2: never even investigated. And the third point I would point 259 00:16:32,680 --> 00:16:35,800 Speaker 2: out is very simply this. The FBI appears not to 260 00:16:35,880 --> 00:16:38,320 Speaker 2: have even followed up on most of the tips. There 261 00:16:38,360 --> 00:16:43,680 Speaker 2: was no contact information, voicemails, unreturned, nothing. This is a 262 00:16:43,720 --> 00:16:49,080 Speaker 2: gigantic nothing burger. But there's something deeper going on, and 263 00:16:49,120 --> 00:16:55,640 Speaker 2: that is the partisan manipulation the media's original complaint. Let's 264 00:16:55,640 --> 00:16:58,680 Speaker 2: go back to the beginning. The media is complaining that 265 00:16:58,720 --> 00:17:03,000 Speaker 2: Trump's Department adjusted wasn't releasing the files fast enough, and 266 00:17:03,200 --> 00:17:06,560 Speaker 2: somehow they were protecting Donald Trump. So when the December 267 00:17:06,640 --> 00:17:13,159 Speaker 2: release showed Clinton but very little Trump, that narrative seemed 268 00:17:13,160 --> 00:17:16,159 Speaker 2: to be confirmed. Oh, the DOJ is just protecting Trump. 269 00:17:16,560 --> 00:17:22,240 Speaker 2: But then subsequent releases included these salacious, unverified tips about Trump, 270 00:17:22,400 --> 00:17:25,480 Speaker 2: and suddenly the story became Trump's own Department of Justice 271 00:17:25,640 --> 00:17:31,800 Speaker 2: released dammy, damaging allegations about Trump. Now, both narratives can't 272 00:17:31,800 --> 00:17:35,680 Speaker 2: be true. Either the Department of Justice is protecting Trump 273 00:17:35,760 --> 00:17:40,080 Speaker 2: by either redacting or delaying the release of documents, or 274 00:17:40,080 --> 00:17:45,480 Speaker 2: they're actually exposing him by releasing unverified allegations. But the 275 00:17:45,520 --> 00:17:48,679 Speaker 2: fact that media outlets are pushing both narratives at the 276 00:17:48,720 --> 00:17:52,200 Speaker 2: same time should tell you this is about political advantage. 277 00:17:52,320 --> 00:17:55,239 Speaker 2: It's not about trying to find out the truth. So 278 00:17:55,280 --> 00:17:59,600 Speaker 2: what actually happened here? Have your thought about just stepping 279 00:17:59,600 --> 00:18:04,280 Speaker 2: back from moment in thinking about what's really happened. Let 280 00:18:04,280 --> 00:18:07,440 Speaker 2: me explain what's really happened next, I'll be right back. 281 00:18:14,400 --> 00:18:14,679 Speaker 1: To night. 282 00:18:14,760 --> 00:18:17,320 Speaker 2: Michael Brown joins me here, the former FEMA director of talk. 283 00:18:17,200 --> 00:18:18,200 Speaker 1: Show host Michael Brown. 284 00:18:18,320 --> 00:18:20,720 Speaker 2: Brownie, No, Brownie, you're doing a heck of a job. 285 00:18:20,880 --> 00:18:22,920 Speaker 2: The Weekend with Michael Brown. 286 00:18:23,160 --> 00:18:25,040 Speaker 1: Hey, welcome back to the Weekend with Michael Brown. Glad 287 00:18:25,080 --> 00:18:25,679 Speaker 1: to have you with me. 288 00:18:26,960 --> 00:18:30,240 Speaker 2: So we're walking through the Epstein files, and I'm probably 289 00:18:30,240 --> 00:18:31,440 Speaker 2: going to carry a little bit of this over into 290 00:18:31,480 --> 00:18:33,840 Speaker 2: the next hour since we missed that first segment because 291 00:18:33,880 --> 00:18:39,800 Speaker 2: of our technical issues. But what's really happened here? Here's 292 00:18:39,840 --> 00:18:43,199 Speaker 2: what I think is the most likely reality. So we 293 00:18:43,280 --> 00:18:46,720 Speaker 2: know that Congress passed the Epstein Transparency Act, and that 294 00:18:46,840 --> 00:18:51,199 Speaker 2: law requires mandates that the Department of Justice release essentially 295 00:18:51,280 --> 00:18:54,320 Speaker 2: everything in their files. Now, there are some narrow exceptions 296 00:18:54,320 --> 00:18:58,800 Speaker 2: for victim privacy and for any ongoing investigations. So now, 297 00:18:59,040 --> 00:19:03,000 Speaker 2: the Department of Justice did comply. I will tell you 298 00:19:03,040 --> 00:19:05,199 Speaker 2: that I think they were pretty sloppy about it, and 299 00:19:05,240 --> 00:19:09,440 Speaker 2: they were haphazard about it, but they did respond substantively. 300 00:19:10,160 --> 00:19:12,040 Speaker 2: I would have done it differently, but the way they 301 00:19:12,040 --> 00:19:12,840 Speaker 2: did it, that's fine. 302 00:19:12,880 --> 00:19:13,280 Speaker 1: I don't know. 303 00:19:13,400 --> 00:19:16,000 Speaker 2: Maybe they're just overworked, or maybe they're just sloppy to 304 00:19:16,040 --> 00:19:21,680 Speaker 2: begin with. So, in complying with the Epstein Transparency Act, 305 00:19:22,200 --> 00:19:27,280 Speaker 2: that meant releasing legitimate investigative documents like the three oh 306 00:19:27,359 --> 00:19:30,720 Speaker 2: two forms, that's the interview forms, the flight logs, all 307 00:19:30,760 --> 00:19:33,800 Speaker 2: the financial records. It meant they had to release all 308 00:19:33,800 --> 00:19:38,760 Speaker 2: of Epstein's personal correspondence, all of Epstein's photographs, and of 309 00:19:38,760 --> 00:19:41,359 Speaker 2: course it meant they had to release the garbage. And 310 00:19:41,400 --> 00:19:43,920 Speaker 2: what do I mean by that? They had to release 311 00:19:44,119 --> 00:19:48,440 Speaker 2: every random tip, They had to release every conspiracy theory, 312 00:19:48,760 --> 00:19:52,359 Speaker 2: they had to release every politically timed allegation that was 313 00:19:52,440 --> 00:19:58,600 Speaker 2: ever submitted anonymously online. That's everything. So the presence of 314 00:19:58,600 --> 00:20:02,520 Speaker 2: these unverified allegations against Trump don't prove anything except that 315 00:20:02,640 --> 00:20:06,280 Speaker 2: people submitted allegations to the FBI. But they also submitted 316 00:20:06,320 --> 00:20:08,920 Speaker 2: tips about Bill Clinton, Bill Gates. You know, in fact, 317 00:20:08,960 --> 00:20:11,480 Speaker 2: you hear their reports on the news about how Epstein 318 00:20:11,960 --> 00:20:16,280 Speaker 2: alleged that Bill Gates asked him, Epstein, hey, how can 319 00:20:16,359 --> 00:20:19,040 Speaker 2: I get Smanda biotics so I can secretly give it 320 00:20:19,080 --> 00:20:21,680 Speaker 2: to my wife Melinda because I picked up an STD 321 00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:24,400 Speaker 2: had a bunch of other various stuff. 322 00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:28,840 Speaker 1: We don't even know if that's really true or not. 323 00:20:29,359 --> 00:20:32,040 Speaker 2: That's just what's in the file. It doesn't mean that 324 00:20:32,119 --> 00:20:36,439 Speaker 2: the FBI investigated it. It means that when EPPS, when 325 00:20:36,440 --> 00:20:39,600 Speaker 2: they gathered up everything, when they did the search ward 326 00:20:39,640 --> 00:20:44,119 Speaker 2: of Epstein's residences in New Mexico, Florida, and out on 327 00:20:44,119 --> 00:20:47,199 Speaker 2: the island and in Bahamas, wherever they went, and they 328 00:20:47,280 --> 00:20:50,280 Speaker 2: gathered up everything they could find, computer files, hard drives, 329 00:20:50,680 --> 00:20:53,880 Speaker 2: paper files, everything they got. It included things like this 330 00:20:54,240 --> 00:21:00,200 Speaker 2: that Epstein alleged that Gates asked can provide antibiotics. That's 331 00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:04,160 Speaker 2: never verify. That's simply that's something that's in the notes. 332 00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:06,960 Speaker 2: I'm not trying to I'm not trying to defend either 333 00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:10,359 Speaker 2: Bill Gates or or Jeffrey Epstein. I'm just telling you 334 00:21:10,440 --> 00:21:13,199 Speaker 2: the facts of that was in the file. We have 335 00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:14,240 Speaker 2: to get to the next point. 336 00:21:15,040 --> 00:21:15,280 Speaker 1: Now. 337 00:21:15,320 --> 00:21:21,080 Speaker 2: If these allegations against Trump had any evidentiary foundation, in 338 00:21:21,080 --> 00:21:27,000 Speaker 2: other words, if there was some actual prosecutable evidence in 339 00:21:27,080 --> 00:21:33,040 Speaker 2: these files, I sincerely believe that those files would have 340 00:21:33,080 --> 00:21:37,160 Speaker 2: surfaced in twenty sixteen, in twenty twenty, they certainly would 341 00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:41,480 Speaker 2: have surfaced during the multiple investigations into Epstein, because federal 342 00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:46,080 Speaker 2: prosecutors in the Southern District of New York, who despised Trump, 343 00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:51,280 Speaker 2: who have been going after Trump, they investigated Epstein for years, 344 00:21:51,560 --> 00:21:55,960 Speaker 2: and they had every incidity to pursue any credible evidence 345 00:21:56,040 --> 00:21:59,960 Speaker 2: against a sitting and a then former president, and they 346 00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:05,000 Speaker 2: did not do that so the allexation, these allegations exist 347 00:22:05,119 --> 00:22:11,719 Speaker 2: as words in a file. But in American jurisprudence, words 348 00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:16,040 Speaker 2: in a file, accusations without evidence are just that accusations, 349 00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:19,800 Speaker 2: And the fact that somebody can call the FBI, including you, 350 00:22:20,359 --> 00:22:23,040 Speaker 2: and make a wild claim about anybody, does not make 351 00:22:23,080 --> 00:22:29,840 Speaker 2: those claims worthy of serious legal consideration. Bottom line is, 352 00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:33,639 Speaker 2: the story here is not that Trump is in the 353 00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:38,359 Speaker 2: Epstein files. It's that our system allows anyone to make 354 00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:44,520 Speaker 2: any allegation, and when Congress or any transparency law forces 355 00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:48,520 Speaker 2: everything out into the open, now you can see how 356 00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:53,840 Speaker 2: much noise exists alongside the signal. You can see how 357 00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:57,800 Speaker 2: much noise exists. And out of all of that noise, 358 00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:00,320 Speaker 2: it's like you're in the middle of the super Bowl 359 00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:03,159 Speaker 2: coming up and you know how loud it is, or 360 00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:06,520 Speaker 2: you're in the middle of you know, the NCAA Finals 361 00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:10,040 Speaker 2: and you know those arenas are just packed with noise. 362 00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:15,080 Speaker 2: The players, the basketballs, the crowd, everything that's all noise. 363 00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:21,040 Speaker 2: It's all noise. What matters are the facts. And out 364 00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:24,320 Speaker 2: of all of that noise, the FBI has to dissect 365 00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:29,320 Speaker 2: everything and find is there anything in here first that 366 00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:33,639 Speaker 2: seems credible enough that we ought to investigate. If the 367 00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:37,240 Speaker 2: answer is no, you push it aside, or maybe you think, well, 368 00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:39,159 Speaker 2: you know, this seems kind of odd, maybe I should 369 00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:42,680 Speaker 2: investigate this tip. So you try to reach the person. 370 00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:44,280 Speaker 2: You look at the tip. Or they didn't leave a 371 00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:47,040 Speaker 2: phone number, they didn't leave an email, they didn't even 372 00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:50,240 Speaker 2: leave a name, you know, they didn't even leave a 373 00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:52,840 Speaker 2: real name. Maybe they did't even leave a false name. 374 00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:56,440 Speaker 2: You have no way of tracking that back. Well, let's 375 00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:59,600 Speaker 2: say they did. They left a name and a phone 376 00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:04,240 Speaker 2: number and you call and there's no answer, or turns 377 00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:07,800 Speaker 2: out that's a fake number. Or they call instead of 378 00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:11,200 Speaker 2: getting you know, Bubba down in you know, Alabama somewhere, 379 00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:16,240 Speaker 2: they get Billy Bob over in Texas, and Billy Bob goes, no, 380 00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:17,800 Speaker 2: I didn't leave a tip. 381 00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:18,280 Speaker 1: I don't know. 382 00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:26,560 Speaker 2: That's how that tip page works. So again, the story 383 00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:29,639 Speaker 2: is not that Trump is in the files. In fact, 384 00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:35,080 Speaker 2: I want you to think about everybody's name that's in 385 00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:41,160 Speaker 2: those files can be categorized in three or four different ways. 386 00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:48,199 Speaker 2: Those who like Prince Andrew, who, based on investigations, was 387 00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:53,960 Speaker 2: involved in wrong sexual wrongdoing and he's paying a price 388 00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:58,560 Speaker 2: for it, and the investigations continue there are people that 389 00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:01,600 Speaker 2: whose names are in the f that maybe the FBI 390 00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:05,200 Speaker 2: looked at and they could find nothing to move forward, 391 00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:09,560 Speaker 2: no probable cause, no further evidence. And then you look, 392 00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:14,720 Speaker 2: there's somebody's name in that file that never had anything 393 00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:18,119 Speaker 2: to do with Epstein because Epstein made a note. Oh, 394 00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:20,800 Speaker 2: someday I should try to meet Michael Brown or you 395 00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:23,160 Speaker 2: know that Michael Brown. I've read some story about him. 396 00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:25,320 Speaker 2: I should try to find out more about him, or 397 00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:27,560 Speaker 2: you know, whatever it could have been, doesn't make any difference. 398 00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:32,359 Speaker 2: But that's not what the media is going to feed you. 399 00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:37,720 Speaker 2: Everybody's going to try to convince you that, and I 400 00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:40,320 Speaker 2: can hear it now. People accuse me. All you're trying 401 00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:42,120 Speaker 2: to do is defend Trump. No, what I'm really trying 402 00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:44,639 Speaker 2: to do here is I'm trying to defend all of 403 00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:48,480 Speaker 2: the people whose names are in those files where people 404 00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:55,960 Speaker 2: made anonymous tips, anonymous allegations, none of which was ever investigated. 405 00:25:56,560 --> 00:25:58,520 Speaker 2: And if you leave it and not it's like when 406 00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:00,840 Speaker 2: someone leaves me and then you know, they write me 407 00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:03,320 Speaker 2: an anonymous letter. 408 00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:06,440 Speaker 1: And they don't sign their name to it. 409 00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:09,600 Speaker 2: Oh, I read it for the fun of it, and 410 00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:11,240 Speaker 2: if it disses me, I might read it on there 411 00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:13,320 Speaker 2: for the fun of it, but I usually want it 412 00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:16,240 Speaker 2: up and throw it in the trash. FBI does the 413 00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:20,399 Speaker 2: same thing. Yes, everybody, take a deep breath about the 414 00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:23,200 Speaker 2: Epstein files. It's the weekend with Michael Brown. Text line, 415 00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:25,640 Speaker 2: of course, has always opened three three one zero three 416 00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:28,600 Speaker 2: keyword micro Michael hang tight. Will be back after the 417 00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:34,160 Speaker 2: news