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Speaker 1: Seafford is in studio Kevin Sifford, e s p N

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Speaker 1: dot com. On a day that well, it's it's a

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Speaker 1: it's a very challenging traffic day, and I don't you

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Speaker 1: often the Wednesday before Thanksgiving can be because people are

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Speaker 1: getting out of Dodge early, maybe more people are getting

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Speaker 1: we got a lot of rain. Apparently snow coming means

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Speaker 1: whatever direction you're headed, it's it's not fun this afternoon.

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Speaker 3: Especially if you're coming from Egan to Saint Louis Park.

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Speaker 3: Apparently that was the traffic was flying in the other

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Speaker 3: direction for the most part on my way over here.

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Speaker 3: But whether it's rain or anticipation of snow tomorrow. There's

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Speaker 3: a lot of people out there.

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Speaker 1: One hundred percent true, and I'm glad you made the effort,

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Speaker 1: nevertheless to get in here today because this is our

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Speaker 1: last day of the week. This is a good question

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Speaker 1: that I hadn't seen coming. But it's a good toss

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Speaker 1: up to start. Are we wasting the prime years years

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Speaker 1: of will rekerd Well? You can kick well.

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Speaker 3: Into your thirties and even into your forties. So he's

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Speaker 3: just getting started. But he's getting started very well. I

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Speaker 3: mean imagine we were talking about this yesterday.

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Speaker 1: Project him on any of a number of good, you know,

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Speaker 1: I mean could count.

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Speaker 3: And it's not just like the reliability which like normally

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Speaker 3: in Vikings history. If you could just have a reliable

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Speaker 3: guy that can hit a twenty seven yard field goal

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Speaker 3: when it's a little chili out, you'd be doing great.

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Speaker 3: Uh he has, I think, he said, as is it

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Speaker 3: an NFL record?

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Speaker 1: The most?

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Speaker 3: He said, four fifty nine plus yard field goals this year,

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Speaker 1: The longest in Green Bay was what fifty nine Well

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Speaker 3: There was a six old, but I'm just saying within

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Speaker 3: that game, Oh yeah, he had a fifty nine yard

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Speaker 1: Like it was going to be good for it could

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And Matt Daniels was talking today they they working

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's where there was speculation on whether they'd even

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Speaker 1: going to chance putting him out there. They miss obviously

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Speaker 3: Before the kick, right, and so they were having this

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Speaker 3: if the initial decision was no go, but they basically

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Speaker 3: O'Connell said let's go for it, and he drilled it.

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Speaker 3: So that's the the only There only been one other

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Speaker 3: long distance accuracy, Like I said, four field goals already

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Speaker 3: five years ago. That would be unheard of. Crazy that

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Speaker 1: Have you gotten any sort of reaction to or even

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Speaker 1: it's it seems so that that is indeed the case.

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Speaker 1: So what did he allege? Do you think there's any

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Speaker 3: I didn't see enough of it to accurately describe it,

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Speaker 3: just call that quick game, some people call it different things.

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Speaker 3: Kevin O'Connell has talked about quick game this year and

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Speaker 3: sometimes they're there's quick games that that JJ McCarthy kind

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Speaker 3: sometimes putting the quarterback in bad passing downs, like you

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Speaker 3: don't want to put the quarterback, you know, and only

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Speaker 3: throwing on third down.

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Speaker 1: You want him to throw in neutral.

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Speaker 3: But that that to me, like and that kind of

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Speaker 1: Wasn't if he's yeah, the other direction.

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Speaker 3: And so I think that you know very clearly that's

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Speaker 3: And that's a reflection probably of the faith in the

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Speaker 1: This was I think the first game where I felt

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Speaker 1: to be sure. No, I mean you never to up here.

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Speaker 1: I don't think those windows, well, maybe you can crash

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Speaker 3: I mean, I'm not when when it's your life dependent

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Speaker 1: That's the first time in my memory that that the

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Speaker 1: this could be it. If it's If it's it, it's

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Speaker 1: on your conscience. Well, if you're if you'd be dead

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Speaker 3: I'm looking for the hinges on this window. What floor

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Speaker 1: The fifth? We're on five. So, uh, this was first

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Speaker 1: felt pretty good about it until the muffed punt. Like

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Speaker 1: you said, now, I still don't know that they would

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Speaker 1: have won, but playing it that's ten times closer to

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Speaker 1: is the ultimate. Now. Part of that I kind of

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Speaker 1: it's second and two and he's handing the ball off

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Speaker 1: again to get the first down, that's very different than

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Speaker 1: anything he has done before. And he may have felt like, well,

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Speaker 3: That's what felt like, right, yeah, and that I mean

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Speaker 3: that had always been you know. The approach this year

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Speaker 3: that's a big range of like what does it mean

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Speaker 3: in this case, it was fifty eight percent design runs

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Speaker 3: in the first half, which for context, that was only

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Speaker 3: the third That was the highest that Kevin O'Connell's ever

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Speaker 3: he got to Minnesota in twenty twenty two, and they'd

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Speaker 3: So that tells you, like how much that deviated from

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Speaker 1: This is from Saul and Blaying, a regular contributor. I'm

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Speaker 1: a bros Obo. I'll be having my wife order me

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Speaker 1: a Brosemer jersey for Christmas. The kid earned a spot

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Speaker 1: on this roster, busted his tail and look good in

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Speaker 1: into the ditch. There's a lot on that in that text.

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Speaker 1: ask it this way. I mentioned this to Johnny Athletic yesterday.

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Speaker 1: for right now, Max Brosmer might be better prepared to

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Speaker 1: play competently serviceably in a given game out right now

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Speaker 1: about athleticism at all. It apparently is very much about

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Speaker 1: I just I know my limitations. I'm gonna get the

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Speaker 1: still not the same thing as saying are assuming that

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Speaker 1: he has the higher upside because that cliche applies. It's

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Speaker 1: and maybe Brosemer will end up being that one in

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Speaker 1: that point where you know down the road he's a

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Speaker 1: guy who could make every play right. That's the tricky

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Speaker 3: And I wouldn't if you know, I know fans and

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Speaker 3: to project what Max Brozmer can be based on what

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Speaker 1: Because their decision in the off season for the who

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Speaker 1: I couldn't agree with you more. I think it, and

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Speaker 1: And so it's you're right. And I think that's another

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Speaker 1: last I saw. Is that correct? Bret Brett Blackmore, Apple

437
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Speaker 1: Valley twelve twenty far we know about Apple Valley. That's

438
00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:34,760
Speaker 1: an old inside joke, okay, having to do with the

439
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Speaker 1: it's the old deal of when the forecast goes wrong,

440
00:21:38,359 --> 00:21:41,520
Speaker 1: but you find like one suburb that gets nailed, all

441
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Speaker 1: the coverage comes from there and say, well that happened.

442
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Speaker 1: It was just this one place.

443
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Speaker 3: People are looking out there seeing their grass.

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Speaker 1: That's it. Two flick, that's exactly it. One other nugget

445
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Speaker 1: regarding the analytics you laid out on McCarthy that it

446
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Speaker 1: again has to be factored in. Many of the other

447
00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:07,680
Speaker 1: quarterbacks you're talking about came to terrible teams. Yeah, right,

448
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Speaker 1: And in fact, many times it's there were number one

449
00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:12,280
Speaker 1: picks or number two picks or three picks, and he generally,

450
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Speaker 1: unless it's a bad trade that somebody made ahead of time,

451
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Speaker 1: you're talking about a team that might have come off

452
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Speaker 1: a three and fourteen season or whatever. And that's also

453
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Speaker 1: part of this story here, right. That doesn't mean the

454
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Speaker 1: Vikings are perfect, doesn't mean everybody has played as well

455
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Speaker 1: as they were projected to play. Yeah, but this isn't

456
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Speaker 1: the normal circumstance where you say, hey, look, everybody's bad.

457
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Speaker 1: Troy Aikman was terrible, but everybody was bad with the

458
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Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys, Peyton Manning when he went to the Colts.

459
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Speaker 1: This was not a terrible team. It may have been,

460
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Speaker 1: we may have inflated how good they were on the

461
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Speaker 1: basis of the fourteen and three last year. Yeah, but

462
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Speaker 1: they were not a terrible team. No.

463
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Speaker 3: There's a lot of talent on this team, for sure,

464
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Speaker 3: especially in positions where a quarterback would in theory rely

465
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Speaker 3: on terms of receivers, running backs, tight ends, and a

466
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Speaker 3: lot when they're healthy the offensive line. But I think

467
00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:03,840
Speaker 3: this also like brings into question whether that makes it

468
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Speaker 3: easier on the quarterback or makes it harder on the quarterback. Yeah,

469
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Speaker 3: because couple cam Ward, you know who's having like if

470
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Speaker 3: you like the only like, he's having a statistically worse

471
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Speaker 3: season than the only one JJ McCarthy in a lot

472
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Speaker 3: of ways. And I don't know that national discussion has

473
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Speaker 3: been cam Ward's bust or like cam Ward is like

474
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Speaker 3: playing below an NFL level because he's on a bad team.

475
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Speaker 1: The coach has already even fired.

476
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Speaker 3: Like the idea is he's developing and coming along a

477
00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:34,880
Speaker 3: lot like Drake may maybe last year. Uh, he did

478
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Speaker 3: not look like a world beater when he was on

479
00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:40,560
Speaker 3: a bad team last year. Nobody was that concerned about

480
00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:43,600
Speaker 3: it because that's a bad team, and so you know,

481
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Speaker 3: there's a little bit the context of JJ McCarthy's position

482
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Speaker 3: with the team that is otherwise stacked was presumed to

483
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Speaker 3: be a positive, but it also has brought a lot

484
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Speaker 3: more attention into his every move and to his every play.

485
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Speaker 3: And I'll be the first to admit we all focus

486
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Speaker 3: on the five or six really you know, rough plays

487
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Speaker 3: and not on the you know, thirty to forty other

488
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Speaker 3: plays that were that went off as they're supposed to

489
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Speaker 3: over the course, and that you really don't have to

490
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Speaker 3: have too many really bad plays to have a bad

491
00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:24,600
Speaker 3: game in the NFL, and that is often the difference

492
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Speaker 3: between you know, good quarterbacks and ones that don't make it.

493
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Speaker 3: But I wonder if what we thought was a positive

494
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Speaker 3: for him is actually not only worked against him from

495
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Speaker 3: a perception standpoint, but maybe just added a level of

496
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Speaker 3: pressure to every little question she's done yep, And maybe

497
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Speaker 3: that in you know, there was no way to know

498
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Speaker 3: ahead of time, but in retrospect we might view that

499
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Speaker 3: as part of what's.

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Speaker 1: Gone wrong as well. He was going to be even

501
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Speaker 1: by less rigorous standards. I think he was always going

502
00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:55,000
Speaker 1: to be judged unfairly because people were not going to

503
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Speaker 1: write off this season because we've been led to believe

504
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Speaker 1: the Vikings were not ready to just do a gap

505
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Speaker 1: season and let him make as many mistakes as possible.

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Speaker 1: Let me ask you, let's get into some conspiracy talk

507
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Speaker 1: for a moment. Does the sequencing work against him for

508
00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:16,359
Speaker 1: the second time in this way? So his first injury

509
00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:20,679
Speaker 1: was an ankle correct, Yes, And there was no indication

510
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Speaker 1: other than I think we saw him get retaped during

511
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Speaker 1: the game that anything was going on with his ankle

512
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Speaker 1: that afternoon, and all of a sudden the next day

513
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Speaker 1: was the next day or day after, we hear about

514
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Speaker 1: an ankle issue, and there were people immediately who said, huh,

515
00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:38,399
Speaker 1: really he finished the game. There was no sign of it.

516
00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:41,560
Speaker 1: There was no discussion about it. Is this the old

517
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Speaker 1: soft benching where there's an injury but they don't mind

518
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Speaker 1: making it a bigger injury than it really is because

519
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Speaker 1: they kind of want to sit him for a while

520
00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:54,760
Speaker 1: as well. Similarly, there's nothing about concussion the night of

521
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Speaker 1: the game. I don't think now Adam Feelin said it

522
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Speaker 1: came up on the plane ride back. Is that ok

523
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:03,160
Speaker 1: as well? But you're hearing it again, well, okay, yeah,

524
00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:06,280
Speaker 1: this is convenient. Yeah, he's oh yeah, he's foggy. He's foggy.

525
00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:09,919
Speaker 1: That's the that's the issue. So I'm not saying I

526
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Speaker 1: agree with the notion that this is a made up

527
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Speaker 1: concussion protocol thing, but I think that's what's working against

528
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Speaker 1: him really two things. One he's been terrible, and two

529
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Speaker 1: both times in the injury they've kind of come after

530
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Speaker 1: the fact in a way where you go, wait a minute,

531
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Speaker 1: this doesn't add up when everybody's always communicating this stuff.

532
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Speaker 1: What do you think. It's a tough one, you know.

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Speaker 3: I what I am one certain of is that he

534
00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:37,640
Speaker 3: came to them and said and reported that he had

535
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Speaker 3: concussion symptoms. And in today's NFL, if someone comes to

536
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Speaker 3: you and report, that's it like there's I mean, obviously

537
00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:48,919
Speaker 3: they die. They they examine you, and sometimes it's a

538
00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:52,560
Speaker 3: neck thing. Sometimes it's it's not like what you exactly

539
00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:54,520
Speaker 3: that the symptoms can be caused by other things, and

540
00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:57,040
Speaker 3: so they check on that as well, because it doesn't

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Speaker 3: you could have concussion symptoms that are caused by injuries

542
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Speaker 3: other than a concussion, and so like that's a real thing,

543
00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:03,919
Speaker 3: and so they check on that. And so I had

544
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:06,520
Speaker 3: one hundred percent certain that they checked on those things.

545
00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:08,560
Speaker 3: And did not find that there was like a neck

546
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:11,479
Speaker 3: injury or some shoulder or something that would affect your

547
00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:13,000
Speaker 3: balance or affect your.

548
00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:15,080
Speaker 1: You know, acuity or anything like that.

549
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Speaker 3: And so in the absence of you know, concussions are

550
00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:20,679
Speaker 3: often diagnosed in the absence of other injuries, and so

551
00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:24,200
Speaker 3: in the absence of those things, they they concluded that's

552
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Speaker 3: where he was at. And they have ways to check

553
00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:30,920
Speaker 3: his his uh uh. There's tests that they can take

554
00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:33,480
Speaker 3: and they do take and then they compare the results

555
00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:36,399
Speaker 3: of those to your baseline tests, which is what you

556
00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:39,760
Speaker 3: take before the season starts. So that's part of also

557
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Speaker 3: of diagnosing a concussion is are your are your baseline

558
00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:47,400
Speaker 3: results or the same as your current results in terms

559
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Speaker 3: of your acuity and the different tests that they do,

560
00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:51,520
Speaker 3: and so there's lots of there's there's lots of things

561
00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:54,440
Speaker 3: that go into it. So I'm convinced that they did

562
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:57,359
Speaker 3: all those things and that when it came out, like

563
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Speaker 3: the conclusion of the medical group was that we're going

564
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Speaker 3: to him in the concussion protocol. There are lots of

565
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Speaker 3: different ways that a person can can function or not

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Speaker 3: function when they have been concussed. It's a real thing

567
00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:14,960
Speaker 3: that symptoms can be delayed. Sometimes it's a real thing

568
00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:18,600
Speaker 3: that you can see. Look look at somebody who has

569
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Speaker 3: concussion as they're walking through the locker room or walking

570
00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:24,840
Speaker 3: in wherever, and you wouldn't know it, and they actually do.

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Speaker 1: And so.

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Speaker 3: I have no reason to doubt, and I have a

573
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Speaker 3: lot of reasons to believe that that's the way it

574
00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:33,920
Speaker 3: went down.

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Speaker 1: The hit that I think you guys wrote about or

576
00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:42,280
Speaker 1: at least offered some video via X was the one

577
00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:44,960
Speaker 1: where he scrambled to the left, as I recall it,

578
00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:47,560
Speaker 1: from near the end zone, right inside the twenty. And

579
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Speaker 1: then I remember the play at the time because I

580
00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:54,200
Speaker 1: didn't think it was a crushing hit, but he went

581
00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:55,680
Speaker 1: down in a way where then he just kind of

582
00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:57,880
Speaker 1: spread his arms out. Yeah, and he didn't really have

583
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Speaker 1: a chance to stay there because I think it was Hawkins.

584
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:02,560
Speaker 1: Somebody tried to help him out, helped him out right away. Yeah,

585
00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:05,760
Speaker 1: But that he to me, he looked like something was

586
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Speaker 1: that he had gotten jarred on that play. Who knows,

587
00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:09,640
Speaker 1: you know what.

588
00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:13,640
Speaker 3: The very next play, he is like a drop back

589
00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:16,160
Speaker 3: pass and he steps up and he throws it, I

590
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:20,080
Speaker 3: think to Aaron Jones, and somebody hits him from behind

591
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:22,080
Speaker 3: and he goes straight down.

592
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Speaker 1: On his face.

593
00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:25,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, and so like that, and then the tape

594
00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:26,880
Speaker 3: kind of the the all twenty two tape kind of

595
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:29,000
Speaker 3: ends right there. But it didn't look like he immediately

596
00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:30,840
Speaker 3: jumped up from that either, if you look at the

597
00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:35,080
Speaker 3: TV copying. So that's two straight plays where I mean, again,

598
00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:38,720
Speaker 3: like a hundred different people, one hundred different things can

599
00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:44,280
Speaker 3: happen in the exact same actions, but two different plays

600
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Speaker 3: back to back where it was certainly a lot of

601
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Speaker 3: contact with his head.

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Speaker 1: He's I think we've talked about this before. I'm not

603
00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:53,120
Speaker 1: sitting here saying I know his BMI. I'm not saying

604
00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:55,800
Speaker 1: he's not in the weight room. But he gets thrown around.

605
00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:58,160
Speaker 1: He gets knocked around a lot. I don't know what

606
00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:02,120
Speaker 1: his measurements are. If I think I've just said to

607
00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:04,040
Speaker 1: you that I think he's shorter than what the he's

608
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Speaker 1: listed as, but you've been next to him. I mean,

609
00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:10,560
Speaker 1: I'm not saying he's Doug Flutie. But but it does

610
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:12,600
Speaker 1: strike me. There's a million problems right now, but the

611
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:14,280
Speaker 1: one that does. One of the ones that strikes me

612
00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:19,200
Speaker 1: is that he doesn't appear strong when he gets nailed.

613
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Speaker 1: I mean, he can get thrown literally like thrown around.

614
00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:24,640
Speaker 1: They're like, he's not there, you know, And like that

615
00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:26,600
Speaker 1: came into play. There was a play near the goal

616
00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:28,880
Speaker 1: line where he was almost thrown into the end zone.

617
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Speaker 1: So and you know, he's he's not the biggest guy.

618
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Speaker 1: He's talked about that. You know, I'm not Josh Allen.

619
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Speaker 1: I'm not you know. And when Carson Wentz came in.

620
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Speaker 3: I remember, like because the three quarterbacks, the four quarterbacks

621
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Speaker 3: they had this summer was JJ McCarthy, Sam Howe, Brett Ripping,

622
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Speaker 3: I said, Greasy Brett Ripping and h and Max and

623
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Speaker 3: Max Brosmer and they're all about the same size. And

624
00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:54,920
Speaker 3: when you but Carson Wentz comes in and like, oh.

625
00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:56,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, quarter that's true.

626
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Speaker 3: This is I forgot, Like this is what a six

627
00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:01,880
Speaker 3: five two and thirty pound quarterback? So you know, what

628
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:05,720
Speaker 3: is JJ McCarthy six one to twenty at the start

629
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Speaker 3: of the season. I think a lot of players lose

630
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Speaker 3: some weight over the course of a season, and so

631
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Speaker 3: like and there's nothing you can change that, you know,

632
00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:16,880
Speaker 3: you can you can certainly spend an off season boking up,

633
00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:20,000
Speaker 3: uh and this, you know, instead of you know, recovering

634
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:22,280
Speaker 3: from a knee injury or the end recovery of a

635
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:24,360
Speaker 3: knee injury, and so maybe that'll be in his future,

636
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:27,280
Speaker 3: but his size is going to be a size all right.

637
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Speaker 1: that when I was offering it up as recently as

653
00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:21,360
Speaker 1: two weeks ago, I was getting ripped for but now

654
00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:23,880
Speaker 1: it seems like all bets are off and now everybody's

655
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:27,040
Speaker 1: piling on. I'll read it. I'll bet that most Vikings

656
00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:29,040
Speaker 1: fans hope rozemer lights to join up and wins the

657
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:31,040
Speaker 1: starting job. There's something about McCarthy that makes it difficult

658
00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:34,920
Speaker 1: to get behind him. There's a phony televangelist vibe to

659
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:37,480
Speaker 1: his nine act, which you and I have talked about

660
00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:40,719
Speaker 1: a little bit. I'm going to throw this out at you.

661
00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:46,560
Speaker 1: My theory is that, in all honesty, as much as

662
00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:50,200
Speaker 1: I've rolled my eyes about some of the things that

663
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:52,240
Speaker 1: he has said and the effort to sort of build

664
00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:55,640
Speaker 1: the myth before you have the resume to back it up,

665
00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:59,440
Speaker 1: if you're going to be frustrated with anybody, I don't

666
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:01,960
Speaker 1: think it should be with McCarthy. I think it should

667
00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:03,880
Speaker 1: be with the team. It's a chip wrote about this

668
00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:05,440
Speaker 1: a little bit, and we've talked about it a lot

669
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:08,880
Speaker 1: in this show that it certainly looks to me right

670
00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:14,640
Speaker 1: now as if they did make a significant miscalculation on

671
00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:17,200
Speaker 1: believing they could do the hubris of both at the

672
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:20,040
Speaker 1: same time. Yeah, as in, he's gonna be better and

673
00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:22,400
Speaker 1: you think right away you're not gonna be perfect but

674
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:25,120
Speaker 1: good enough, and we're gonna be a factor this year.

675
00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:30,160
Speaker 1: And what I'm concluding is he's not ready. And that's

676
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:33,640
Speaker 1: more on them in their evaluation to me, than it

677
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:36,840
Speaker 1: is on him, because he only can be what he

678
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:38,280
Speaker 1: can be at this particular point.

679
00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:41,000
Speaker 3: Which is interesting because I don't I can't dispute any

680
00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:42,920
Speaker 3: of that, but I was telling somebody else this, like,

681
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:46,880
Speaker 3: he did not look like this in training camp last year,

682
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:49,920
Speaker 3: like he he I mean, he wasn't this. Maybe it

683
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:52,200
Speaker 3: gets back to our discussion about when the pressure's on

684
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:55,280
Speaker 3: and things are different and you don't know until it's on.

685
00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:59,160
Speaker 1: But he looked like he was coming like he had

686
00:33:59,440 --> 00:33:59,880
Speaker 1: he would there.

687
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:02,960
Speaker 3: There's none of this, like you know, Ball's sailing or

688
00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:06,560
Speaker 3: accuracy issues that I noticed. You know, he was working

689
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:08,879
Speaker 3: with the second team, so and and you don't pay

690
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:10,920
Speaker 3: quite as much attention a second team, but he's the

691
00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:13,719
Speaker 3: number one pick, and so I was paying a lot

692
00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:16,440
Speaker 3: of attention relative to what I normally would with the

693
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:19,080
Speaker 3: second team, and you just didn't see that. You saw

694
00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:22,520
Speaker 3: a lot of really you know, good throws and running

695
00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:24,960
Speaker 3: the offense. And then he comes out in that preseason

696
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:28,040
Speaker 3: game against Oakland and he does throw an interception pretty early,

697
00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:30,880
Speaker 3: but the rest of the of that appearance was like

698
00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:33,640
Speaker 3: super positive, and he's he's throwing the ball in the

699
00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:37,120
Speaker 3: right spots, he's accurate, he's taken off and running when

700
00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:40,440
Speaker 3: he needed to like that. And I'm telling you, man,

701
00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:43,840
Speaker 3: like at the end of last summer, before the injury,

702
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:47,279
Speaker 3: he it was not out of the question that he

703
00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:50,439
Speaker 3: could have won that starting job because they he had

704
00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:53,719
Speaker 3: had all what I just said had happened, and then

705
00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:55,520
Speaker 3: they were going to go to Cleveland to have a

706
00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:59,920
Speaker 3: few days of preseason practice and and if he had

707
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:02,400
Speaker 3: unwell there and maybe done well in the next preseason

708
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:04,720
Speaker 3: game like it was on and maybe the Sam Darnold

709
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:05,680
Speaker 3: last year doesn't happen.

710
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:06,560
Speaker 1: And I say all that.

711
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:10,279
Speaker 3: To mean that that was the background the Vikings had

712
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:12,720
Speaker 3: on him as well, Like that was the tape stop

713
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:14,759
Speaker 3: for them too at that point, and when they had

714
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:17,839
Speaker 3: to make the decision in March, that was where the

715
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:18,520
Speaker 3: tape ended.

716
00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:22,680
Speaker 1: And so maybe at that point you're more.

717
00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:26,560
Speaker 3: Conservative you say, like, this was a really traumatic past

718
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:29,719
Speaker 3: eight or nine months for JJ McCarthy in terms of

719
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:32,640
Speaker 3: the injury and then the second surgery and then uh,

720
00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:35,600
Speaker 3: you know, really only getting back on the field to

721
00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:39,200
Speaker 3: start exercising and working out and regaining weight in the

722
00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:42,359
Speaker 3: in January and February, and that there's just too much

723
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:45,480
Speaker 3: has happened for us to assume that the way he

724
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:47,399
Speaker 3: left off is the way he's going to pick up,

725
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:51,520
Speaker 3: and he just that's really where the gap is is

726
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:53,520
Speaker 3: that he did and to me that he did not

727
00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:56,520
Speaker 3: pick up where he left off the previous summer. And

728
00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:58,840
Speaker 3: it's understandable, I think, when you have the kind of

729
00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:01,279
Speaker 3: injury he had in the layoff that he had and

730
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:03,560
Speaker 3: just like all the changes in his life that were

731
00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:07,040
Speaker 3: happening all the same time, and not able to sort

732
00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:09,719
Speaker 3: of rely on the on the structure that he was

733
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:14,279
Speaker 3: used to relying on. And so that I think is

734
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:17,160
Speaker 3: where maybe things started to go wrong. And you know,

735
00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:20,520
Speaker 3: whether they you know, whether they misjudged the idea of

736
00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:24,200
Speaker 3: competing with a new quarterback or they misjudged where he

737
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:26,239
Speaker 3: was going to be at, regardless of whether they were

738
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:30,320
Speaker 3: competing or not. I think that like I can see

739
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:34,320
Speaker 3: why they made the decision that they made given the alternatives,

740
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:38,120
Speaker 3: you know, the one to me and I'll continue to

741
00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:40,399
Speaker 3: say it like the one clean answer would have been

742
00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:43,880
Speaker 3: the Aaron Rodgers one and we talked plenty about that,

743
00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:47,120
Speaker 3: and that would only have pushed him back one year,

744
00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:50,360
Speaker 3: and it would have given you the the leeway in

745
00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:53,160
Speaker 3: the event that he didn't pick up where he left off.

746
00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:55,120
Speaker 1: But they decided against that.

747
00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:58,200
Speaker 3: They wanted to They trusted their ability to bring him

748
00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:01,520
Speaker 3: along in a way that would keep them competitive, and

749
00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:03,640
Speaker 3: and that appears to have been a misjudgment.

750
00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:06,640
Speaker 1: So the name that's already coming up because we can't

751
00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:10,600
Speaker 1: help but project is mac Jones, right, because he has

752
00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:13,520
Speaker 1: looked so good in San Francisco. It feels like he's

753
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:16,480
Speaker 1: been reborn. So that's the name that comes. Well, you

754
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:18,600
Speaker 1: know what, you bring him in and you let him

755
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:21,799
Speaker 1: compete for the job. Here's what you have. I need

756
00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:24,760
Speaker 1: your help on can you get at a good price,

757
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:28,200
Speaker 1: at a fair price for both sides, that sort of

758
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:32,279
Speaker 1: quarterback without saying to him it's your job. I mean

759
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:32,680
Speaker 1: you can.

760
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:34,799
Speaker 3: You can trade for him because he's he's got a

761
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:38,799
Speaker 3: two year contract. So that's the Mac Jones quandary. That's true,

762
00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:41,000
Speaker 3: his name has come up, but you can't he's not

763
00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:42,320
Speaker 3: going to be a free agent, right, and they're not

764
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:44,360
Speaker 3: gonna cut him because there's always gonna be if they

765
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:46,080
Speaker 3: don't want to keep him. There's always gonna be teams

766
00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:47,279
Speaker 3: that want to trade for So now you have to

767
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:50,280
Speaker 3: give up a draft pick to get a guy that's

768
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:53,520
Speaker 3: that you hope is going to be like the babysitter

769
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:56,279
Speaker 3: for for JJ or whatever the term would be in

770
00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:59,359
Speaker 3: terms of it's like that, like that's that's the other

771
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:01,719
Speaker 3: issue is, you know, maybe this year they have to

772
00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:04,839
Speaker 3: go out and get last year's Daniel Jones. But who

773
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:07,239
Speaker 3: is that going to be and how is that acquisition

774
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:09,799
Speaker 3: going to be? You know, what sort of assets do

775
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:13,319
Speaker 3: you have to devote to getting that acquisition? And so

776
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:16,400
Speaker 3: like the idea of mac Jones in my head is

777
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:20,560
Speaker 3: like that doesn't feel like a great answer, but there's not.

778
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:23,560
Speaker 1: You know, there's not there's no great answers.

779
00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:25,680
Speaker 3: You know, good quarterbacks are not you know, I know

780
00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:28,120
Speaker 3: there's always a few surprises. And I know a couple

781
00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:30,880
Speaker 3: of weeks ago, Schefter Adam Schefter mentioned just in a

782
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:33,799
Speaker 3: discussion about the future of the position, you know, what

783
00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:35,920
Speaker 3: if he said, what if Joe Burrow decides he doesn't

784
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:39,120
Speaker 3: want to be in Cincinnati anymore and he doesn't always

785
00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:41,319
Speaker 3: just kind of bring So that was interesting to me,

786
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:44,560
Speaker 3: and so like that's not to suggest the Vikings are

787
00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:44,799
Speaker 3: going to.

788
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:45,960
Speaker 1: Go trade for Joe Burrow.

789
00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:48,480
Speaker 3: But what it does mean remind me of is that

790
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:51,360
Speaker 3: there's always a couple of quarterbacks that you don't foresee

791
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:54,799
Speaker 3: being available for whatever reason, that in the offseason tend

792
00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:55,719
Speaker 3: to get into the mix.

793
00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:59,640
Speaker 1: What is fair to expect of the Vikings in Seattle?

794
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:02,600
Speaker 1: Very curious to know. I mean, do you think they're

795
00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:05,600
Speaker 1: already even though they won't acknowledge it, kind of checked out.

796
00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:07,520
Speaker 1: They know they're playing a good team, it's a tough

797
00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:10,799
Speaker 1: place to win. Their season is likely over in terms

798
00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:13,120
Speaker 1: of the playoffs. Well, we're three games out of third

799
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:18,040
Speaker 1: place in the division right now, so or is it?

800
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:20,680
Speaker 1: That's not the way these guys think, and they might,

801
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:22,759
Speaker 1: you know, you might end up being surprise because the

802
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:25,120
Speaker 1: expectations are so low. What do you what do you expect?

803
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:27,360
Speaker 3: I think for the most part, they'll play hard, and

804
00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:30,479
Speaker 3: I don't expect like to see a game where where

805
00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:32,640
Speaker 3: the energy level is so low that they don't have

806
00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:33,359
Speaker 3: a chance from.

807
00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:34,160
Speaker 1: The opening kickoff.

808
00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:38,960
Speaker 3: I but you know, there was there's definitely some players

809
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:41,640
Speaker 3: in the previous game that in Green Bay who did

810
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:44,320
Speaker 3: not who were usually play pretty well you mentioned Darisa

811
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:48,080
Speaker 3: and just didn't have a good day, and so like

812
00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:51,000
Speaker 3: there's always the possibility of that, But I think I

813
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:53,680
Speaker 3: get like, if I had to lean which way, I

814
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:56,080
Speaker 3: don't think they're going to go and just get stomped.

815
00:39:57,480 --> 00:40:01,279
Speaker 3: I think they'll be competitive, but with a quarterback who's

816
00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:04,040
Speaker 3: never thrown a meaningful NFL pass, it's hard to know

817
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:06,160
Speaker 3: exactly where that's going to go. But I do think

818
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:08,880
Speaker 3: they'll be They'll be competitive, and I don't think that

819
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:12,319
Speaker 3: there doesn't feel at this point like this is a

820
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:15,359
Speaker 3: team that's like checked out and going making their their

821
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:17,880
Speaker 3: Is it the NFL players also go to Cabo or

822
00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:21,239
Speaker 3: do they go somewhere else after just an NBA thing?

823
00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:24,200
Speaker 3: But I don't think that they've that that this has

824
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:27,439
Speaker 3: quite happened. That maybe it never will. But I don't

825
00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:30,160
Speaker 3: sense that they're in that position quite despite.

826
00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:31,799
Speaker 1: The approach that the head coach has taken thus far.

827
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:34,919
Speaker 1: Is it fair to say you will be shocked if

828
00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:37,080
Speaker 1: Max Brozemer is not the starting quarterback on Sunday?

829
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:39,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I mean it's a and he it is

830
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:42,399
Speaker 3: a medical thing, and like the only way the coach

831
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:44,719
Speaker 3: steps in is if he gets medically cleared and then

832
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:46,919
Speaker 3: the coach still says at that.

833
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:48,000
Speaker 1: Point, no, I don't want to play you.

834
00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:50,280
Speaker 3: And if you were to get medically cleared on Saturday

835
00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:53,120
Speaker 3: and he hasn't gone through a full week of makes it. Yeah,

836
00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:56,759
Speaker 3: it just it's it's hard to unless we get there tomorrow,

837
00:40:57,000 --> 00:40:58,879
Speaker 3: you know, because Wednesday is like, so do the first

838
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:02,319
Speaker 3: day practicae of practic this and and by the end

839
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:03,640
Speaker 3: of the day, because you have to go through a

840
00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:05,920
Speaker 3: day of practice before you're done with it, you know,

841
00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:09,800
Speaker 3: with concussion protocol. And so if they unless at the

842
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:12,040
Speaker 3: end of the day tomorrow they're able to say he's

843
00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:15,239
Speaker 3: cleared concussion protocol, it's hard to imagine that that that

844
00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:16,760
Speaker 3: becomes a real thing totally.

845
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:20,440
Speaker 1: Are you a big planes, trains and omobiles? Guy? Are

846
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:22,279
Speaker 1: you bored with No? I was glad, thank you.

847
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:24,560
Speaker 3: I was a little nervous where you were going to

848
00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:27,960
Speaker 3: go with your best Thanksgiving movie, but I was glad

849
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:28,919
Speaker 3: that that's where you went.

850
00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:32,359
Speaker 1: Where did you think I didn't know going to try

851
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:32,920
Speaker 1: to be goofy?

852
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:35,280
Speaker 3: Well, I didn't know if something Home alone a Thanksgiving

853
00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:36,239
Speaker 3: or is that a Christmas movie?

854
00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:39,080
Speaker 1: Christmas? Ok, Yeah, that's definitely Christmas movie. Yeah, I love

855
00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:39,560
Speaker 1: that movie.

856
00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:42,480
Speaker 3: And the funny thing is that it came out in

857
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:44,560
Speaker 3: the eighties, right, So I when I was I was

858
00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:46,600
Speaker 3: a kid in the eighties, and I watched it purely

859
00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:51,399
Speaker 3: as a slapstick movie, like no, no, I'm sorry, Yeah,

860
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:53,640
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, and so I and so I like all

861
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:56,040
Speaker 3: the funny parts of It's not a pillow and yeah,

862
00:41:56,520 --> 00:41:58,440
Speaker 3: how would they know which way we're going? And like,

863
00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:00,600
Speaker 3: I still use that line, and I'm so appointed that

864
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:04,160
Speaker 3: rooms of of millennials and gen z's don't even.

865
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:04,880
Speaker 1: Know what that means.

866
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:07,640
Speaker 3: But only as I've gotten older, And I did watch

867
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:10,000
Speaker 3: the doc that John Candy Dock on Amazon good.

868
00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:10,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's great.

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Speaker 3: Here's and and have now kind of leaned into the

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Speaker 3: sentimental parts of as well.

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Speaker 1: But I'm a huge fan of that movie. Yeah, it's

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Speaker 1: uh for for like I'll say again, for pure expression.

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Speaker 1: The expression on Candy's face at the end. Two two expressions.

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Speaker 1: it's the and it's the look on Candy's face there,

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Speaker 1: and then obviously the look that smile that he kind

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Speaker 1: of breaks out in when he's greeting.

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Speaker 3: And then Steve Martin and then and I know Blakebore

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Speaker 3: mentioned this part of it, has never seen it, but

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Speaker 3: standing there in his pajamas and he's just getting absolutely

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Speaker 3: obliterated by Steve Martin for being a terrible human being

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Speaker 3: and he just managed and and like part of the

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Speaker 3: doc is like I think there is some real life

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Speaker 3: implications there that he was feeling or summoning to have

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Speaker 3: this look of like just how hurt he was to

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Speaker 3: be lambassad on such a personal level and just being

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Speaker 3: a terrible human being. And like, but the expression that

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Speaker 3: he brought up in that moment where and standing there

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Speaker 3: I'm just yep, an expression that I'll always think of

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Speaker 3: when I think of John Candy.

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Speaker 1: But I heard Martin was magnificent in this doc talking

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Speaker 1: about the end of the movie, working with him in

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Speaker 1: that film, a number of other things that he was

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Speaker 1: just really good. Yeah, And I mean he's obviously loved

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Speaker 1: him as as a best friend. Right, Thanks, Happy Thanksgiving

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Speaker 1: to you and yours. Thanks for coming in. I do

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Speaker 1: appreciate the effort, because I do know traffic is a

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Speaker 1: pain in the butt and you didn't have to come

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Speaker 1: this direction. So we do what we really do. Appreciate

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Speaker 1: it and we'll we'll talk next week. Sounds good, thanks man.

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Speaker 1: Kevin seaffert EESPN dot com. Lovel is going to give

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Speaker 1: going to join us at five thirty. Top five will

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Speaker 2: Time now for the Vikings Report on the Fan, presented

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Speaker 2: by Miller Lyte. Vikings wide receiver Adam Thielen joins Dan

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Speaker 2: Burrero next