WEBVTT - 1/9/2026 (HOUR 3) 0:00:00.320 --> 0:00:04.240 Nothing better than a dagger, while a playoff dagger against 0:00:04.280 --> 0:00:07.520 the Chicago Bears would beat it. Wayne Larvie delivers the 0:00:07.600 --> 0:00:10.399 Daggers for you on the Packers Radio network and he 0:00:10.480 --> 0:00:16.000 joins us now on nobs Wayne, Daggers always feel better into. 0:00:15.760 --> 0:00:18.959 The new year, into January? Is it dusted off? Is 0:00:18.960 --> 0:00:19.400 it ready? 0:00:19.440 --> 0:00:21.520 I mean, it's been a month since we've had to 0:00:21.680 --> 0:00:24.479 pull that thing out. What's what's situation? Hopefully it's not 0:00:24.560 --> 0:00:26.439 gonna like that foam one they still let the Brackers 0:00:26.440 --> 0:00:27.000 pro shop. 0:00:27.640 --> 0:00:29.600 Yeah, I'm just really a little worried about it. 0:00:29.920 --> 0:00:32.319 If there's gonna be some rust on that, it might 0:00:32.360 --> 0:00:33.760 not be the best one of the year. 0:00:33.840 --> 0:00:36.360 But no, I think it'll be fine. 0:00:36.360 --> 0:00:38.880 If we get to that point where the dagger comes 0:00:38.920 --> 0:00:41.280 out in Chicago, it'll be very late. 0:00:41.320 --> 0:00:43.080 Folks don't go to bed early on this game. 0:00:43.280 --> 0:00:43.600 Yeah. 0:00:43.840 --> 0:00:46.239 Yeah, Bears Packers games really never end. 0:00:46.360 --> 0:00:48.600 You may go home, all of us will go home 0:00:48.600 --> 0:00:50.680 at some point, but they'll still be playing that damn 0:00:50.680 --> 0:00:51.839 thing and it will never end. 0:00:51.920 --> 0:00:52.080 Well. 0:00:52.080 --> 0:00:54.040 I think you bring up a good point about that 0:00:54.080 --> 0:00:56.280 we do anticipate in going down to the wire. Bears 0:00:56.280 --> 0:01:00.400 Packers games have done this, and especially with this Bears. 0:01:00.640 --> 0:01:01.840 It feels like they've lived. 0:01:01.760 --> 0:01:03.360 Nine lives and a lot of their a lot of 0:01:03.360 --> 0:01:05.280 their games this year, they've come back a lot, and 0:01:05.560 --> 0:01:07.679 their games seem to not be over until they're over. 0:01:07.959 --> 0:01:10.080 So that's one thing that Packers have to be vigilan of, 0:01:10.280 --> 0:01:12.400 right if they get a lead here down the stretch, 0:01:12.480 --> 0:01:14.520 is that you know, the Bears have been able to 0:01:14.520 --> 0:01:16.920 come back a lot of times on teams this year, 0:01:16.920 --> 0:01:18.400 and that's one thing that they could do again. 0:01:19.280 --> 0:01:21.600 Yeah, but Arman, as you asked that question, and it's 0:01:21.600 --> 0:01:24.759 a very good one. I keep thinking to so many 0:01:24.800 --> 0:01:28.560 teams that I've seen that have lived on takaways and 0:01:28.720 --> 0:01:32.000 lived on plus on the plus side of the turnover 0:01:32.080 --> 0:01:34.840 table in a double digit way. And I think back 0:01:34.840 --> 0:01:37.560 to the two thousand and nine Packers who went to Arizona, 0:01:38.319 --> 0:01:41.559 and I think that they had like eight turnovers all year. 0:01:41.760 --> 0:01:43.240 I think in the first half of that game they 0:01:43.240 --> 0:01:46.200 had four, you know, in that game with overtime and all. 0:01:46.319 --> 0:01:50.240 So the playoffs are different, guys. There's something that happens. 0:01:50.440 --> 0:01:53.360 A page flips and they can be very different. 0:01:54.000 --> 0:01:56.600 It's it's unique because I've compared I've tried to compare 0:01:56.600 --> 0:01:58.560 the Bears team a couple of different times, like the 0:01:58.640 --> 0:02:01.640 twenty nineteen Packers, they just won a bunch of games, 0:02:01.640 --> 0:02:03.680 win and I don't know that anybody really explained a 0:02:03.720 --> 0:02:06.520 bunch of them. But then they got roundhoused against San 0:02:06.560 --> 0:02:08.400 Francisco when they went out there in the middle of 0:02:08.440 --> 0:02:11.400 the year, and you're, okay, there's a separation of power here. 0:02:11.440 --> 0:02:13.720 There does still seem to be a class separation. A 0:02:13.800 --> 0:02:16.760 couple of years ago, the Minnesota Vikings win every close 0:02:16.800 --> 0:02:20.160 game imaginable. They got every break, they got every bounce. 0:02:20.600 --> 0:02:23.000 Then they host the New York Giants in the playoffs 0:02:23.040 --> 0:02:26.160 and they played from behind and they never were able 0:02:26.440 --> 0:02:29.840 to recover. I don't know that history always repeats itself 0:02:29.840 --> 0:02:31.880 and you can grab one of these teams from prior, 0:02:32.160 --> 0:02:35.040 but it does appear what you just mentioned. At some point, 0:02:35.120 --> 0:02:38.600 the bill comes due, and it will. It usually is 0:02:38.919 --> 0:02:41.600 rather swift in these fourth quarter comebacks. Each of the 0:02:41.720 --> 0:02:44.080 last two weeks the Bears have been close to being 0:02:44.080 --> 0:02:47.640 able to have that comeback and haven't been able to finish. 0:02:47.680 --> 0:02:50.200 It feels like maybe that market is correcting right now. 0:02:50.919 --> 0:02:52.040 Maybe it is a little bit. 0:02:52.480 --> 0:02:54.880 I'm sure the Bears hope that it corrected and now 0:02:54.880 --> 0:02:56.400 that they're back to their you know. 0:02:56.400 --> 0:02:59.560 Now at zero, Yes, yeah they're up. 0:02:59.600 --> 0:03:02.639 They won six games by less than a touchdown, and 0:03:03.639 --> 0:03:06.160 you know they're they're really good at what they do. 0:03:06.919 --> 0:03:11.160 But I sometimes that's a coach coaching cliche. Lafleur said 0:03:11.160 --> 0:03:13.440 it right off the bat after Minnesota said, hey, it's 0:03:13.480 --> 0:03:16.799 zero zero now, but you know what it really is, 0:03:17.160 --> 0:03:20.120 and things are often different when you go back to 0:03:20.200 --> 0:03:23.000 ground zero and start to move up that hill again. 0:03:23.320 --> 0:03:25.160 Well, in Wayne, it is always difficult. 0:03:25.160 --> 0:03:27.520 That The other cliche you hear is how difficult it 0:03:27.560 --> 0:03:30.000 is to play a team three times. Play a team 0:03:30.040 --> 0:03:33.760 three times in five weeks is even more difficult when 0:03:34.040 --> 0:03:36.280 a Bears team, like you mentioned six times, they've come 0:03:36.280 --> 0:03:38.560 back and won. Some of these games they've given leads 0:03:38.560 --> 0:03:41.160 away and then been able to win. I think that's 0:03:41.200 --> 0:03:44.080 a that's a good character test of a football team 0:03:44.120 --> 0:03:47.760 of learning a lot of ways to win football games. 0:03:48.520 --> 0:03:50.520 Do you think it's more it can feel a little 0:03:50.520 --> 0:03:53.040 bit more fluke here at some point that year. That 0:03:53.200 --> 0:03:56.040 kind of is who you become when there can be 0:03:56.040 --> 0:03:57.880 a lot of ways to play defense, but if the 0:03:57.880 --> 0:04:00.200 one thing you do well is taking the football away 0:04:00.320 --> 0:04:02.760 that might be the best calling card to ultimately have. 0:04:03.560 --> 0:04:05.880 Yeah, you're right, Billy. And you know, here's the other thing. 0:04:06.520 --> 0:04:10.640 Sometimes teams do get lucky, get fluky, make the playoffs 0:04:10.680 --> 0:04:13.720 and they really don't belong there from a talent standpoint. 0:04:13.760 --> 0:04:17.040 But this team does. This Chicago team is very talented. 0:04:17.560 --> 0:04:20.040 They're getting two receivers back. I watched the game from 0:04:20.160 --> 0:04:25.240 Chicago last night and the game Packers game in Chicago, 0:04:25.400 --> 0:04:27.200 that was hard to watch, but it was a great 0:04:27.200 --> 0:04:29.400 ball game. If you didn't have a horse in the race, 0:04:30.320 --> 0:04:33.880 you know, they get they get back their two starting receivers, 0:04:33.960 --> 0:04:37.320 Roma Dunza and Luther Burden, neither who neither one of 0:04:37.320 --> 0:04:37.960 which played. 0:04:38.480 --> 0:04:39.000 Matter of factor. 0:04:39.040 --> 0:04:41.280 Dunsa hasn't played against the Packers yet, he's been out 0:04:41.320 --> 0:04:43.680 for five weeks. But they got those guys back, and 0:04:43.720 --> 0:04:46.680 that can make a difference in the ballgame. So and 0:04:46.760 --> 0:04:49.520 the Packers, however, are going in healthier now. They'll have 0:04:49.640 --> 0:04:52.760 Zach Tom they'll have Jordan Love out there. And by 0:04:52.839 --> 0:04:56.520 the way, just watching that hit by Austin Booker on 0:04:56.640 --> 0:04:59.120 Jordan Love, it wasn't the first time he got Remember 0:04:59.120 --> 0:05:00.960 early on in the game, you got a fifteen yard 0:05:01.040 --> 0:05:04.080 roughing the quarterback penalty. That guy's kind of a cheap 0:05:04.080 --> 0:05:06.560 shot artist in my opinion based on what I've seen, 0:05:06.880 --> 0:05:08.599 and you've got to be aware of him and they 0:05:08.720 --> 0:05:10.040 better get that kid blocked. 0:05:10.200 --> 0:05:12.559 Well, I'm glad you brought the penalty as well, Wayne, 0:05:12.640 --> 0:05:14.080 because it kind of goes into what we were talking 0:05:14.120 --> 0:05:16.919 about a little bit last segment in terms of the 0:05:16.960 --> 0:05:19.960 emotional edges and the aspect of this game, where the 0:05:20.000 --> 0:05:22.720 Bears were actually the team that was getting penalized more 0:05:22.920 --> 0:05:26.000 getting the personal fouls. It didn't come back to bite them, 0:05:26.040 --> 0:05:28.240 although would have been a bigger storyline I think had 0:05:28.240 --> 0:05:30.960 the Packers hung on and won that game, is that 0:05:31.080 --> 0:05:33.480 the Bears were the ones kind of getting out of 0:05:33.520 --> 0:05:38.080 their kind of emotional way to commit those personal files 0:05:38.120 --> 0:05:40.040 to get those penalties. I think it's going to be 0:05:40.080 --> 0:05:42.479 another big storyline in this game. How much you know 0:05:42.720 --> 0:05:44.720 the emotion is going to be involved. It's a rivalry game, 0:05:44.760 --> 0:05:47.040 it's the playoffs. How much can you kind of contain 0:05:47.080 --> 0:05:49.880 yourself if those chippy moments start to happen. And I 0:05:49.920 --> 0:05:51.520 think the Packers did a good job of that in 0:05:51.600 --> 0:05:53.560 game too. I think they're gonna have to keep doing 0:05:53.560 --> 0:05:54.880 that again into the playoff game here. 0:05:55.520 --> 0:05:57.880 I think that's a very subtle key to this whole thing, 0:05:57.960 --> 0:05:59.920 because the last thing you want to do is hell 0:06:00.160 --> 0:06:03.680 one of these offenses out with pales like that. And 0:06:03.800 --> 0:06:06.440 you know, the other factor is simply this. You have 0:06:06.480 --> 0:06:09.960 to play with poise, and that involves after the whistle 0:06:10.000 --> 0:06:13.039 more than anything else. But you've got to play with poise. 0:06:13.279 --> 0:06:15.760 You don't want to penalize. Fifteen yards is a lot 0:06:15.760 --> 0:06:18.160 of yards in a Bears Packers playoff game. 0:06:19.200 --> 0:06:21.440 Wayne, A couple of guys coming back you mentioned on 0:06:21.440 --> 0:06:24.680 the Chicago side, especially Romadoonsa. He's a very very fine 0:06:24.720 --> 0:06:27.480 player and a second year guy, former first round pick, 0:06:27.520 --> 0:06:31.120 a really really good outside player. Zach Tom coming back 0:06:31.160 --> 0:06:33.400 on the Packers side. We've talked a lot about the 0:06:33.440 --> 0:06:38.080 injuries his exit. Also in the Denver game are along 0:06:38.120 --> 0:06:41.360 the same timeline of Christian Watson going down, Michaeh Parson's 0:06:41.360 --> 0:06:44.839 going down, Ivan Williams going down, Zach Tom. Sounds like 0:06:44.839 --> 0:06:47.599 they're gonna get him back this week. How big of 0:06:47.600 --> 0:06:50.279 a key is that for We always talk about the 0:06:50.279 --> 0:06:53.960 backside pressure for a quarterback, but you also are staring 0:06:54.040 --> 0:06:57.440 right at your right tackle and when that guy is suspect. 0:06:57.720 --> 0:07:00.000 I can't imagine that doesn't lead to some happy fear 0:07:00.120 --> 0:07:00.640 in the pocket. 0:07:01.520 --> 0:07:02.800 Yeah, I think you're right, Billy. 0:07:03.279 --> 0:07:06.000 You know, certainly the last couple of weeks of the 0:07:06.040 --> 0:07:09.000 regular season, Elik Willis would compensate for that with his 0:07:09.120 --> 0:07:11.960 ability to move in the pocket, and and Jordan Love 0:07:12.040 --> 0:07:13.840 is very good. The reason the Packers are among the 0:07:13.880 --> 0:07:17.000 league leaders and fewer sacks allowed is Jordan being able 0:07:17.040 --> 0:07:20.119 to manipulate that pocket, understand where the pressure is coming from, 0:07:20.280 --> 0:07:22.800 feel the pressure. So many of these guys don't feel 0:07:22.800 --> 0:07:26.680 the pressure from the blind side. He does, and so 0:07:26.840 --> 0:07:29.760 that's I think. But Zach Tom that being said, big 0:07:29.840 --> 0:07:33.440 key on that offensive line, Anthony Belton seems to have 0:07:33.520 --> 0:07:37.040 settled in at the right guard position. Jordan Morgan has 0:07:37.080 --> 0:07:40.320 some good times and some bad times at right tackle. 0:07:40.400 --> 0:07:43.200 But we'll have to see how the future pans out there. 0:07:43.240 --> 0:07:46.120 But nonetheless, for this playoff run, to get your offensive 0:07:46.120 --> 0:07:48.240 line back in tack is really important, and it. 0:07:48.200 --> 0:07:50.840 Seems like a big advantage with the Packers offense guys 0:07:50.880 --> 0:07:53.240 in Wayne is the is the ability to kind of 0:07:53.280 --> 0:07:55.960 hunt the matchups for their receivers on some of these 0:07:56.280 --> 0:08:00.360 Bears defensive backs, and they and trying get some of 0:08:00.360 --> 0:08:03.840 those mismatches. Obviously, Watson's had success doing that. Maybe Jayden Reid, 0:08:04.000 --> 0:08:05.600 you think that'll be a big factor in this game. 0:08:05.600 --> 0:08:07.560 And if sobol the Packers have to do a little 0:08:07.560 --> 0:08:09.960 bit more empty stuff in the backfield to try and 0:08:10.080 --> 0:08:12.320 spread out the Bears defense and get those matchups. 0:08:12.840 --> 0:08:13.679 Yeah. You know CJ. 0:08:13.800 --> 0:08:16.640 Gardner Johnson whom the Packers beat like a rented mule 0:08:17.520 --> 0:08:20.840 this season. You know he's not playing, Okay, he's out 0:08:20.920 --> 0:08:23.720 due to a concussion, and you know he's the guy 0:08:23.720 --> 0:08:25.840 who flies around and makes a lot of things happen 0:08:25.920 --> 0:08:28.560 in that Bears defense, both at the line of scrimmage 0:08:28.560 --> 0:08:29.240 and downfield. 0:08:29.400 --> 0:08:30.000 Now, he's a guy. 0:08:30.000 --> 0:08:32.439 Also if you get somebody like Christian Watson on him, 0:08:32.520 --> 0:08:34.760 it's no contest, and we saw that in Green Bay. 0:08:35.160 --> 0:08:38.320 But I think that Kyler Gordon is a guy they're 0:08:38.360 --> 0:08:40.880 hoping to get back. I don't know how effective he 0:08:40.960 --> 0:08:43.679 can be. The guy's missed virtually the entire season. He's 0:08:43.679 --> 0:08:47.600 played like three games or whatever, but they're expecting to 0:08:47.600 --> 0:08:49.800 get him back. He's questionable for the game on the 0:08:49.840 --> 0:08:53.680 injury report, but he's a quality He's the highest paid 0:08:53.760 --> 0:08:57.080 slock corner in the league. He's a high quality slock corner, 0:08:57.320 --> 0:09:00.680 but again, how effective will he be off the layoff 0:09:00.720 --> 0:09:01.160 he's been on. 0:09:01.440 --> 0:09:04.000 I heard Tom Wadell talking about the defense in Chicago 0:09:04.120 --> 0:09:07.800 and like trying to be very very nice in discussing 0:09:07.880 --> 0:09:11.920 how brutal it just might be, and like understanding how 0:09:11.960 --> 0:09:15.080 many risks they might have to take. We saw the 0:09:15.080 --> 0:09:20.079 Bears blitz a lot against the Packers at lambeau Field. Whayanne, 0:09:20.720 --> 0:09:23.720 do you think Dennis Allen maybe has learned his lesson 0:09:24.040 --> 0:09:26.920 than not zero blitz against Jordan Love Because you're right CJ. 0:09:27.040 --> 0:09:27.360 Gardner. 0:09:27.440 --> 0:09:31.080 Johnson got worked pretty badly against Christian Watson on that 0:09:31.120 --> 0:09:35.040 one slant from about forty yards away, and especially in 0:09:35.160 --> 0:09:39.120 between the twenties where the Packers have had to drive 0:09:39.200 --> 0:09:41.360 and have had a lot of success the red zone, 0:09:41.360 --> 0:09:43.280 maybe they can take some more risks. But how do 0:09:43.320 --> 0:09:46.480 you feel about the attacking nature and maybe if Dennis 0:09:46.520 --> 0:09:48.960 Allen tries to pull back of the reins a little 0:09:48.960 --> 0:09:49.960 bit on the aggressiveness. 0:09:50.400 --> 0:09:51.960 Well, I think coach Allen I have a lot of 0:09:51.960 --> 0:09:54.880 respect for him. He's an excellent defensive coordinator. I don't 0:09:54.880 --> 0:09:57.520 think they'll change much at all. I think they'll do 0:09:57.600 --> 0:10:00.520 what they do defensively, and the key for the has 0:10:00.520 --> 0:10:02.280 been and the Bears. You know, everyone who looks at 0:10:02.280 --> 0:10:04.600 the yardage number and thinks the Bears have a bad defense, 0:10:04.640 --> 0:10:07.199 and that's fine, you can think that, but boy, inside 0:10:07.200 --> 0:10:09.880 the twenty yard line, you know, they've been very good 0:10:09.920 --> 0:10:12.240 in red zone. And the Packers are zero for five 0:10:12.320 --> 0:10:15.120 in the red zone, and everybody points to the muffed 0:10:15.400 --> 0:10:18.800 on sidekick, and yeah, that was a crusher. But if 0:10:18.840 --> 0:10:20.680 you score a couple of times, score two out of 0:10:20.720 --> 0:10:23.720 five in the red zone, that doesn't even matter. They're 0:10:23.720 --> 0:10:26.000 probably not even on side kicking in that situation. 0:10:26.400 --> 0:10:28.199 Yeah, the Packers have struggle in the red zone a 0:10:28.240 --> 0:10:31.679 little bit. I think that coincided with Josh Jacob's absence. 0:10:32.000 --> 0:10:34.000 He's been really good, obviously in the red zone. He's 0:10:34.040 --> 0:10:36.240 been their touchdown guy. Whether or not he's had a 0:10:36.280 --> 0:10:38.720 huge year of production wise, that's one thing he's still 0:10:38.760 --> 0:10:41.000 done well. And I would think that that's a huge 0:10:41.040 --> 0:10:43.440 advantage going back into this game having Josh Jacobs back 0:10:43.480 --> 0:10:44.160 in the red area. 0:10:44.720 --> 0:10:46.600 Yeah, it depends on how healthy he is and how 0:10:46.640 --> 0:10:50.320 healthy he stays, but I do think that's a big factor. 0:10:50.360 --> 0:10:53.400 And I watched the game again, the Bears Packers game 0:10:53.440 --> 0:10:56.000 in Chicago on December twentieth, watching it on tape again 0:10:56.120 --> 0:10:59.520 last night, and I couldn't you know, hear the Packers 0:10:59.559 --> 0:11:01.880 are in their typical second down of goal to go 0:11:01.960 --> 0:11:03.880 there inside or the six yard. 0:11:03.600 --> 0:11:05.680 Line, at the six yard line earlier this season. 0:11:05.679 --> 0:11:08.000 You hand the ball to Josh Jacobs and even if 0:11:08.000 --> 0:11:10.679 you don't block the play, he's going into the end zone. Okay, 0:11:10.800 --> 0:11:13.800 he's just getting there. And most of the time the Packers' 0:11:13.800 --> 0:11:16.520 offensive line didn't block the play, so but he still 0:11:16.520 --> 0:11:18.920 got to the end zone in those instances. But as 0:11:18.960 --> 0:11:22.600 that knee injury got worse and worse, he wasn't able 0:11:22.600 --> 0:11:25.079 to get the same kind of power. And that's where 0:11:25.120 --> 0:11:28.480 you saw the red zone stop type start taking a 0:11:28.520 --> 0:11:31.679 turn for the worst arm And you're exactly right, you know. 0:11:31.960 --> 0:11:34.720 I've got a note here. In the last four games, 0:11:34.760 --> 0:11:36.679 the Packers are two of twelve in the red zone 0:11:36.720 --> 0:11:39.520 in the last four games, so that includes the zero 0:11:39.559 --> 0:11:42.000 for five in Chicago, and before that they were up 0:11:42.000 --> 0:11:44.920 around seventy percent in the red zone before that trend 0:11:44.960 --> 0:11:47.360 to begin. But that's the trend and that's something they 0:11:47.400 --> 0:11:48.960 have to turn around to this game, they get to 0:11:48.960 --> 0:11:51.520 the red zone, they damn well better score touchdowns, and. 0:11:51.640 --> 0:11:53.360 It sounds like a great time to correct the mean, 0:11:53.679 --> 0:11:56.320 correct to the mean, goodness gracious two of ten now 0:11:56.360 --> 0:11:58.480 two and six in games that the Bears don't get 0:11:58.679 --> 0:12:03.560 multiple turnovers in takeaways are they in this year? In 0:12:03.679 --> 0:12:07.319 Jordan's last two playoff games, his playoff record feels a 0:12:07.360 --> 0:12:09.960 little bit of a mixed bag. Wayne Right, the game 0:12:10.000 --> 0:12:12.360 in Dallas is one of the best games ever played. 0:12:12.400 --> 0:12:14.439 He's got a perfect passer rating until Matt Leafleuor gets 0:12:14.440 --> 0:12:16.760 a little bit nervous after Dallas scores, and then they 0:12:16.760 --> 0:12:18.560 bring him back in. He throws the ball at Tucker 0:12:18.559 --> 0:12:20.840 Crafty drops it and he doesn't have the perfect passer rating. 0:12:20.840 --> 0:12:22.520 When he finish it, he was awesome. 0:12:23.040 --> 0:12:25.920 And then in San Francisco he's out playing brock Perty 0:12:26.000 --> 0:12:28.040 for two and a half quarters and then on the 0:12:28.120 --> 0:12:30.480 last play the third quarter throws on an interception. And 0:12:30.520 --> 0:12:34.280 now he's thrown five in his last five quarters in 0:12:34.600 --> 0:12:37.360 playoff football last year, he's kind of dinged in. We 0:12:37.400 --> 0:12:40.280 almost forget that out of the last game of the 0:12:40.360 --> 0:12:43.720 year against the Bears. But where do you see Jordan 0:12:43.800 --> 0:12:47.880 Love in terms of the time kind of feels like, now, 0:12:47.960 --> 0:12:50.839 if you're a fifty five million dollar quarterback, you're paid 0:12:50.840 --> 0:12:53.599 to win playoff games. And this is a playoff game that, 0:12:53.679 --> 0:12:56.000 even though you're a seven, you're going down to an 0:12:56.000 --> 0:12:59.080 opponent that won year division. This feels like a game 0:12:59.080 --> 0:13:00.880 that if you're gonna be one of those guys, you 0:13:00.920 --> 0:13:01.280 have to go. 0:13:01.240 --> 0:13:01.680 In and win. 0:13:02.360 --> 0:13:04.960 You know what, Billy, this is where your legacy is cemented. 0:13:05.040 --> 0:13:07.440 You know, in the postseason. That's what it's all about. 0:13:07.880 --> 0:13:10.360 In the National Football League. You know, twenty five thirty 0:13:10.400 --> 0:13:13.400 million dollars a year, quarterbacks win games in the regular season. 0:13:14.200 --> 0:13:17.839 Fifty five million dollar quarterbacks better win playoff games. And 0:13:17.880 --> 0:13:19.520 it doesn't matter how you get there. Get to the 0:13:19.520 --> 0:13:22.960 playoffs and win, and that's really what it's all about. 0:13:23.200 --> 0:13:27.440 This is where Aaron Rodgers started his climb up up 0:13:27.520 --> 0:13:31.440 the pedestal. You know, in twenty ten, he got hot 0:13:31.440 --> 0:13:34.400 in the playoffs and you know in the Super Bowl 0:13:34.480 --> 0:13:36.199 that pretty much mentioned him as one of the top 0:13:36.240 --> 0:13:38.880 players in the game. Jordan's in the same position. He's 0:13:38.880 --> 0:13:40.920 had a great year, he really has had. You look 0:13:40.960 --> 0:13:42.480 at his numbers, you look at the way he plays 0:13:42.520 --> 0:13:46.080 the game. I expect him to play really well this week, 0:13:46.120 --> 0:13:48.800 and if he does, the Packers have a good chance 0:13:48.880 --> 0:13:49.839 coming out of there with a win. 0:13:50.080 --> 0:13:51.320 Yeah, let's hope that's the case. 0:13:51.400 --> 0:13:53.920 Whether it kind of seemed to be changing, there was 0:13:53.960 --> 0:13:58.559 an indication of snow, possible higher accumulation. It seems like 0:13:58.600 --> 0:14:01.120 the accumulation number might be going down, but maybe a 0:14:01.160 --> 0:14:01.600 little bit. 0:14:01.520 --> 0:14:02.400 Windier than we thought. 0:14:02.640 --> 0:14:05.160 We know what to expect it in Chicago to Soldier Field, 0:14:05.720 --> 0:14:06.280 And how much do. 0:14:06.240 --> 0:14:08.439 You think weather will have a factor waning this one. 0:14:08.800 --> 0:14:11.520 Well, you know, it's funny because in watching the game 0:14:11.559 --> 0:14:14.440 at Chicago again, you know, I forgot how windy it 0:14:14.559 --> 0:14:16.760 was and how that impact of the kicking game. The 0:14:16.840 --> 0:14:20.000 kickers were resolute, both of them were outstanding, but you 0:14:20.040 --> 0:14:23.200 know that effected probably the passing game as well, and 0:14:23.240 --> 0:14:25.280 going a certain direction, it was easier to throw the 0:14:25.280 --> 0:14:27.960 ball heading north. Actually that night, to me, it looked 0:14:28.000 --> 0:14:30.400 like it was easier to throw and kick the ball. 0:14:30.680 --> 0:14:34.240 And in overtime the bear selected going south to north, 0:14:34.840 --> 0:14:36.560 and so that told me, well, it's a little bit. 0:14:37.200 --> 0:14:39.160 Other people who are down on the field said it 0:14:39.240 --> 0:14:41.880 might have been worse going north than it was going south. 0:14:41.920 --> 0:14:44.840 In that game, the wind swirls a soldier field, it 0:14:44.880 --> 0:14:47.400 comes hot and heavy off, it comes cold and hot, 0:14:47.640 --> 0:14:51.120 cold and feerouce off that lake. And if it's windy night, 0:14:51.200 --> 0:14:53.920 if it's a snowy night or rainy night, it could 0:14:53.920 --> 0:14:56.080 be miserable out there, and that can have an impact 0:14:56.120 --> 0:14:57.840 on the game. And then it gets down to the 0:14:57.880 --> 0:14:59.400 running game and who can stop the run. 0:15:00.080 --> 0:15:04.240 And that's where Chicago has the clear decided advantage. How 0:15:04.280 --> 0:15:06.880 stunned will you be if Ben Johnson doesn't deploy the 0:15:06.920 --> 0:15:10.400 second half game plan from lambeau Field for four to 0:15:10.520 --> 0:15:13.480 four quarters coming up on Saturday night, something he decided 0:15:13.520 --> 0:15:14.800 not to do the last time they played. 0:15:15.000 --> 0:15:17.560 Yeah, Billy're really surprised with his play calling in that 0:15:17.600 --> 0:15:20.520 game in Chicago off of what they learned in lambeau 0:15:20.520 --> 0:15:23.520 Field in the second half of that game. I just wonder, 0:15:23.720 --> 0:15:28.280 you know, sometimes these coaches know something and they put 0:15:28.280 --> 0:15:30.000 it away because they pretty much know they're going to 0:15:30.040 --> 0:15:32.400 see this team again in the playoffs. I think the 0:15:32.440 --> 0:15:34.720 Bears will be run heavy early in this game and 0:15:34.760 --> 0:15:36.720 try to control the football because the one thing the 0:15:36.760 --> 0:15:40.480 Packers did for three quarters in Chicago was control the 0:15:40.560 --> 0:15:44.160 tempo of the game. Their offense ran many more plays, 0:15:44.240 --> 0:15:47.520 had more yardage than the Bears. Everybody looks at the 0:15:47.560 --> 0:15:49.280 Bears where they had four hundred yards in the game 0:15:49.320 --> 0:15:51.760 and a regulation in overtime. Yeah, a lot of those 0:15:51.840 --> 0:15:54.440 yards came in the last two minutes of regulation and 0:15:54.760 --> 0:15:58.080 the overtime period, so understand that. But the Packers had 0:15:58.120 --> 0:16:00.920 control of that football game. From an offensive standpoint, I 0:16:00.960 --> 0:16:04.680 still think ball control is the biggest key for Green Bay. 0:16:05.000 --> 0:16:08.640 Number one, don't turn it over. Number two score in 0:16:08.680 --> 0:16:11.560 the red zone, touchdowns, not field goals. And number three 0:16:12.400 --> 0:16:15.760 control the football keep your defense off the field as 0:16:15.800 --> 0:16:19.520 much as you can. That's just, you know, that's playoff football. 0:16:19.840 --> 0:16:21.840 Yeah, and a lot of times I think it's maybe 0:16:21.880 --> 0:16:24.200 this is maybe more fan fiction than reality, but a 0:16:24.200 --> 0:16:27.359 lot of times fans will think, like, will there be wrinkles, 0:16:27.360 --> 0:16:30.480 will there be extra unscouted looks that you know, the 0:16:30.560 --> 0:16:33.120 Packers are going to drop a brand new, you know, empty, 0:16:33.200 --> 0:16:34.560 brand new tool bag of things. 0:16:34.600 --> 0:16:36.520 Do you see any of that possibly happening? 0:16:36.560 --> 0:16:38.640 Are there going to be any more gadget plays involved 0:16:38.840 --> 0:16:41.080 by either coaching side, maybe trying to add in new 0:16:41.080 --> 0:16:43.160 wrinkles that the teams didn't see in the first two 0:16:43.800 --> 0:16:46.880 or is that more unlikely than we think. 0:16:47.680 --> 0:16:50.800 You know, it's funny with these third meetings in five weeks, 0:16:50.800 --> 0:16:53.240 and there have been what have been three or four 0:16:53.320 --> 0:16:56.400 other times in NFL history where that's happened, and the 0:16:56.400 --> 0:17:00.000 third meeting is within like six weeks, and the third 0:17:00.080 --> 0:17:03.040 meetings in the playoffs, and in the previous three games 0:17:03.080 --> 0:17:06.320 I was reading about, the average margin to victory was fourteen. 0:17:06.800 --> 0:17:09.959 So that tells me some coaching staff found something in 0:17:09.960 --> 0:17:12.800 those first two games. They found an edge, something they 0:17:12.840 --> 0:17:16.200 can do, something that the other team can't do very well, 0:17:16.480 --> 0:17:19.280 and they'll keep pounding that all night. And that's how 0:17:19.320 --> 0:17:22.200 you get a blowout margin like that. In these playoff games, 0:17:22.200 --> 0:17:25.080 they're often the third meeting is often a very disappointing 0:17:25.119 --> 0:17:28.439 game for one side or the other, and it's not 0:17:28.560 --> 0:17:31.600 usually really close. I think these teams are pretty close. 0:17:32.359 --> 0:17:36.600 I wish the Packers had Micah Parsons, Tucker Kraft, Elton Jenkins, 0:17:36.680 --> 0:17:40.960 I really do, But they don't, and are they still 0:17:41.600 --> 0:17:43.800 close to the Bears in terms of talent. The Bears 0:17:43.840 --> 0:17:46.360 are a much healthier football team than the Packers are. 0:17:46.480 --> 0:17:48.439 They've got more of their stars than the Packers have 0:17:48.480 --> 0:17:52.160 of theirs. But I think that second game of that series, 0:17:52.560 --> 0:17:54.440 matching up in Soldier Field, the way they did, the 0:17:54.520 --> 0:17:56.880 Packers showed you the blueprint of what it will take 0:17:57.040 --> 0:17:59.760 for them to win the game. The only caveat is 0:18:00.080 --> 0:18:03.240 score in the red zone. Score touchdowns in the red zone. Actually, 0:18:03.280 --> 0:18:05.120 in two games, the Packers have given up the ball 0:18:05.160 --> 0:18:09.200 only twice against the highest turnover defense in the league 0:18:09.200 --> 0:18:12.640 today thirty three takeaways, only two of them in those 0:18:12.640 --> 0:18:16.040 two games by the Packers, So the Packers only had 0:18:16.080 --> 0:18:17.399