WEBVTT - Brian with Peter Bronson 0:00:00.980 --> 0:00:05.330 It's 7-0-6 on a Friday. Always extra special on a Friday, 0:00:05.370 --> 0:00:07.430 just being Friday, but it's even better when I get 0:00:07.450 --> 0:00:09.090 to look up over the board here and see my 0:00:09.130 --> 0:00:10.170 friend Peter Bronson. 0:00:10.330 --> 0:00:10.869 Hey, Brian. 0:00:10.950 --> 0:00:13.050 It is always awesome having you here, man. 0:00:13.130 --> 0:00:14.550 It's always awesome to be with you, buddy. 0:00:14.570 --> 0:00:15.760 And for the bottom of my heart, I want to 0:00:15.780 --> 0:00:17.840 thank you for all the joy and pleasure I got 0:00:17.880 --> 0:00:19.440 out of reading your books over the years. 0:00:19.500 --> 0:00:20.060 Oh, thank you. 0:00:20.079 --> 0:00:25.140 Just you're a great writer, weaving the story. this narrative 0:00:25.160 --> 0:00:28.720 that you create, you'll create a premise upon which to 0:00:28.760 --> 0:00:32.220 spring forth all the information about local history. And we're 0:00:32.240 --> 0:00:34.080 going to dive into some of Peter's books today because 0:00:34.100 --> 0:00:36.870 they are awesome Christmas gift ideas for folks in the 0:00:36.909 --> 0:00:41.090 tri-state because they're typically focused on local history and stories 0:00:41.130 --> 0:00:44.169 from the local community. But first off, let me remind folks, 0:00:44.630 --> 0:00:47.110 he is a, he's in addition to being an author 0:00:47.130 --> 0:00:49.589 and of course, story journalist here in Cincinnati, Peter Bronson 0:00:49.620 --> 0:00:53.190 has a website called chili dog, press.com. which is a 0:00:53.210 --> 0:00:55.210 great place to get his book. So if you're thinking 0:00:55.230 --> 0:00:57.950 about Christmas gifts, head on over there right now, chili dog, press.com, 0:00:57.970 --> 0:01:00.780 get all of them. But also you, you publish local 0:01:00.880 --> 0:01:03.440 authors and other authors. Yes, I do. And how often 0:01:03.460 --> 0:01:04.420 do you approach with a book? 0:01:04.500 --> 0:01:05.880 I mean, Oh, constantly. 0:01:06.040 --> 0:01:08.880 I've never advertised, but it's mainly word of mouth. So 0:01:08.940 --> 0:01:10.940 people publish a book and everybody says, how did you 0:01:10.980 --> 0:01:11.380 do that? 0:01:11.440 --> 0:01:11.520 Yeah. 0:01:11.540 --> 0:01:14.050 And they say, well, I know a guy and that's me. 0:01:14.810 --> 0:01:16.970 So I've at any time, I've got five or six 0:01:17.030 --> 0:01:19.750 of these book projects going. I've got about seven going 0:01:19.790 --> 0:01:24.350 right now. Everything from children's books to biographies to really 0:01:24.410 --> 0:01:29.330 exciting books, novels. Some are things that you didn't know 0:01:29.380 --> 0:01:32.200 about Cincinnati. People have done some amazing things in town, 0:01:32.240 --> 0:01:34.160 and so it's pretty cool. 0:01:34.340 --> 0:01:36.320 Oh, it's got to be. I guess being in the 0:01:36.360 --> 0:01:39.540 position of being the publisher, you have to choose which 0:01:39.740 --> 0:01:42.080 ones you are willing to put forth some effort and 0:01:42.100 --> 0:01:44.930 some money to back and print and publish, and wading 0:01:44.990 --> 0:01:47.730 through that seems maybe the more challenging component of it. 0:01:47.730 --> 0:01:50.620 I mean, you think about publishers who passed up certain 0:01:50.660 --> 0:01:53.520 books over the years that ended up becoming global bestsellers. 0:01:53.820 --> 0:01:56.320 How did I miss that opportunity? Why didn't I sign 0:01:56.360 --> 0:01:58.940 that band? The Beatles were in here and I thought 0:01:58.960 --> 0:02:02.440 they sucked. But that's a difficult position and challenging because 0:02:02.460 --> 0:02:04.340 you have to deliver the bad news to somebody who 0:02:04.380 --> 0:02:06.560 poured their heart and soul out over some manuscript. 0:02:06.750 --> 0:02:09.690 Well, mostly the customers, when they see how hard it 0:02:09.770 --> 0:02:11.810 is to write a book, if they're coming to me 0:02:11.850 --> 0:02:13.609 and they're saying, I'm going to write this book and 0:02:13.830 --> 0:02:16.730 they don't have a manuscript finished, a lot of times 0:02:16.790 --> 0:02:18.770 they find out it's a lot harder than they think. 0:02:19.010 --> 0:02:24.540 The discipline, others find that the journey is the whole 0:02:24.840 --> 0:02:27.720 point of it. It's that the writing of the book, 0:02:27.780 --> 0:02:30.700 especially if it's a biography or something about their past, 0:02:31.139 --> 0:02:34.239 they find it very therapeutic because it just brings up 0:02:34.360 --> 0:02:36.710 all these memories and everything starts to come into sharp 0:02:36.750 --> 0:02:39.350 focus again. One thing leads to another. And by the 0:02:39.389 --> 0:02:42.190 time we're done, I coach them with their writing and 0:02:42.210 --> 0:02:45.290 I show them how to improve it and bring them along. 0:02:45.710 --> 0:02:47.910 In many cases, others don't need that kind of help. 0:02:48.470 --> 0:02:52.049 But when they're finished, they're just super ecstatic about the 0:02:52.090 --> 0:02:53.810 journey as much as the book. 0:02:54.090 --> 0:02:56.730 That's terrific. But here's the stumbling block you're going to 0:02:56.750 --> 0:02:58.470 have to run into now. We live in a world 0:02:58.510 --> 0:03:02.520 with artificial intelligence. I can probably go to ChatGPT or 0:03:02.760 --> 0:03:07.720 something else right now and say, please prepare a 40-page 0:03:08.700 --> 0:03:12.829 biography on, I don't know, pick a figure, Abraham Lincoln, 0:03:12.850 --> 0:03:13.750 just randomly pulling out. 0:03:13.830 --> 0:03:14.030 Right. 0:03:14.130 --> 0:03:14.770 And it'll do that. 0:03:14.790 --> 0:03:14.970 It will. 0:03:14.990 --> 0:03:17.730 It will. And it will read pretty damn good. Of course, 0:03:17.870 --> 0:03:19.910 I would always recommend, if you're ever doing that in 0:03:19.950 --> 0:03:22.230 your business most notably, a fact check what it came 0:03:22.310 --> 0:03:26.870 up with. But beyond that, college professors are dealing with 0:03:26.910 --> 0:03:29.560 this with term papers. Oh, absolutely. How can you determine 0:03:29.600 --> 0:03:32.480 if someone hands you a manuscript whether or not it's 0:03:32.520 --> 0:03:34.200 their work product or artificial intelligence? 0:03:34.220 --> 0:03:35.200 Well, first I ask. 0:03:35.880 --> 0:03:39.140 Um, and I have not published anything that was AI created, 0:03:39.220 --> 0:03:41.400 but I'm beginning to look at some projects that are 0:03:41.540 --> 0:03:42.520 AI assisted. 0:03:43.240 --> 0:03:47.040 For example, illustrations. Oh my gosh. The illustrations that can 0:03:47.060 --> 0:03:51.910 be created by AI are unbelievable. They're like Norman Rockwell level. 0:03:52.040 --> 0:03:52.310 Yes. 0:03:52.370 --> 0:03:54.830 Now you can't find an illustrator that's going to do 0:03:54.870 --> 0:04:00.670 a children's book at that level of, of, um, aesthetic quality, uh. 0:04:00.750 --> 0:04:01.970 For any reasonable price. 0:04:02.030 --> 0:04:04.250 So these people can go and get their real illustrations 0:04:04.290 --> 0:04:07.880 made by AI and a, I'm like, well, okay, as 0:04:07.940 --> 0:04:10.600 long as you tell the reader, as long as it's 0:04:10.620 --> 0:04:14.089 full disclosure and you're transparent that AI was used in this, 0:04:14.810 --> 0:04:18.570 that's okay with me, at least so far. I think 0:04:18.710 --> 0:04:20.730 one thing that you're hitting on, though, is very interesting, 0:04:20.750 --> 0:04:23.290 which is I think it's an unacknowledged secret right now 0:04:23.970 --> 0:04:27.310 that copyright is a thing of the past, that there 0:04:27.430 --> 0:04:29.950 is no such thing as intellectual property. 0:04:30.290 --> 0:04:33.920 That's one of the arguments the creators of intellectual property 0:04:33.940 --> 0:04:37.630 are making because, hey, Chat GPT, you just absorbed my 0:04:37.730 --> 0:04:41.150 entire book, fiction, nonfiction or otherwise, and you made it 0:04:41.210 --> 0:04:43.210 part of your learning model or your language model. You 0:04:43.250 --> 0:04:44.410 can't do that without paying me. 0:04:44.990 --> 0:04:45.430 Exactly. 0:04:45.690 --> 0:04:47.750 So if I was to plug in a certain question 0:04:47.810 --> 0:04:50.270 about one of my books, something that I discovered that 0:04:50.330 --> 0:04:52.870 is unique to my book, I can get that back 0:04:52.910 --> 0:04:55.050 from AI and I know they just took it right 0:04:55.110 --> 0:04:55.610 out of my book. 0:04:55.890 --> 0:04:56.089 Yes. 0:04:56.370 --> 0:05:00.190 And there's no acknowledgement. It doesn't say where that came from. 0:05:01.150 --> 0:05:04.210 You know, let's face it. There are book buyers for 0:05:04.330 --> 0:05:07.450 AI platforms now that are going around buying up all 0:05:07.500 --> 0:05:09.580 the used books and ancient books they can find. 0:05:09.620 --> 0:05:09.900 I know. 0:05:10.080 --> 0:05:13.340 And feeding them into this wood chipper, which is basically 0:05:13.839 --> 0:05:17.380 a vast sponge that soaks up everything in these books. 0:05:17.440 --> 0:05:20.580 It doesn't matter if it's an instruction manual for a 0:05:20.580 --> 0:05:24.850 1903 vacuum cleaner or something. They will absorb all this 0:05:24.890 --> 0:05:27.750 and then just feed it back to you. And so, hey, 0:05:27.830 --> 0:05:29.370 where's the intellectual property? 0:05:29.410 --> 0:05:29.890 There is none. 0:05:30.010 --> 0:05:34.990 There isn't. Speaking of Aldous Huxley, it's a brave new world. 0:05:35.029 --> 0:05:38.380 It is. We are living in completely uncharted territory. And 0:05:38.450 --> 0:05:42.100 quite frankly, I'm just kind of the mindset. I lean 0:05:42.120 --> 0:05:45.099 more lewd. I know how efficient this will make things. 0:05:45.740 --> 0:05:48.640 I also appreciate the fact that, well, you talented artists 0:05:48.720 --> 0:05:50.039 out there are not going to have a job as 0:05:50.060 --> 0:05:51.020 an illustrator anymore. 0:05:51.279 --> 0:05:53.020 I know. It's such a shame. 0:05:53.040 --> 0:05:56.750 And, you know, the whole thing about taking the property 0:05:56.790 --> 0:05:59.490 and everything. Well, the other thing that's alarming right now 0:05:59.730 --> 0:06:02.190 is there was a piece in The Wall Street Journal 0:06:02.230 --> 0:06:05.610 last week reviewing a book called The Death of Literacy. 0:06:06.430 --> 0:06:09.460 And what we're seeing is that people, high school kids, 0:06:09.560 --> 0:06:11.220 college kids, they don't read books. 0:06:11.500 --> 0:06:11.860 They don't. 0:06:12.180 --> 0:06:14.040 You can poll them. When's the last time you read 0:06:14.060 --> 0:06:15.219 a book? And they'll say never. 0:06:15.580 --> 0:06:17.580 And if you ask a child at the Cincinnati Classical 0:06:17.620 --> 0:06:19.520 Academy the last time they read a book, they'd say, what, 0:06:19.600 --> 0:06:21.780 a half hour ago before class started? Yeah. 0:06:22.680 --> 0:06:25.230 But if you don't read books, if you just listen 0:06:25.270 --> 0:06:27.070 to them on audio, for example, or if you just 0:06:27.110 --> 0:06:33.029 get reviews and AI summaries, what it does, it damages 0:06:33.070 --> 0:06:34.680 your ability for critical thinking. 0:06:34.750 --> 0:06:34.920 Yes. 0:06:35.290 --> 0:06:39.830 Most of our intellectual critical thinking comes from reading, from 0:06:39.870 --> 0:06:42.310 being able to make an argument because we've read them, 0:06:42.710 --> 0:06:46.460 from absorbing facts in an active way, not something that 0:06:46.500 --> 0:06:48.800 just spilled them out for you. 0:06:49.540 --> 0:06:51.480 And I just worry about that. 0:06:51.500 --> 0:06:53.380 Well, I do too. And the other component of that, 0:06:53.560 --> 0:06:56.839 you have to have the logic and critical thinking skills, 0:06:57.420 --> 0:06:59.460 and that does come in large part from reading. But 0:06:59.490 --> 0:07:02.090 then you also have to have the communication skills to 0:07:02.170 --> 0:07:05.890 put pen to paper and And write. Yes. And you 0:07:05.990 --> 0:07:07.050 can't do that. 0:07:07.430 --> 0:07:08.250 If you can't do that. 0:07:08.450 --> 0:07:10.780 No one can do that anymore. Plus, in the text 0:07:10.960 --> 0:07:15.440 world we live in, it's abbreviations, it's just little blurbs 0:07:15.480 --> 0:07:18.280 that are supposed to mean something that's remotely connected to 0:07:18.300 --> 0:07:21.300 the English language. It is a new language. 0:07:21.420 --> 0:07:21.640 Yeah. 0:07:22.180 --> 0:07:23.840 And when you think about it, if you look at 0:07:23.860 --> 0:07:26.060 what's going on in the world, for example, the rise 0:07:26.110 --> 0:07:27.690 of socialism and communism. 0:07:28.340 --> 0:07:28.780 And now. 0:07:29.020 --> 0:07:31.260 You go, what is wrong with those young people that 0:07:31.300 --> 0:07:33.700 they think this is acceptable? Don't they know history? 0:07:33.960 --> 0:07:34.760 No, they don't. 0:07:34.820 --> 0:07:37.880 Because they don't read. They haven't read the books. 0:07:37.920 --> 0:07:43.960 They haven't seen Solzhenitsyn's Gulag Archipelago or anything like that. 0:07:44.040 --> 0:07:44.820 They just don't know. 0:07:45.600 --> 0:07:47.800 Well, and they're also not being taught it. Even if 0:07:47.820 --> 0:07:49.100 they want to sit in a room and absorb what 0:07:49.120 --> 0:07:51.380 the teacher is telling them by way of propaganda, if 0:07:51.420 --> 0:07:54.620 you aren't getting information about the nation's history— And you're 0:07:54.660 --> 0:07:57.280 not inclined to go and read it independently. You're never 0:07:57.340 --> 0:07:59.060 going to get it. Next thing you know, you think 0:07:59.120 --> 0:08:01.320 socialism and communism are great concepts. 0:08:01.340 --> 0:08:01.760 Uh-huh. 0:08:02.060 --> 0:08:05.140 Exactly. You know, that's a great segue. Do we have 0:08:05.180 --> 0:08:05.460 a minute? 0:08:05.900 --> 0:08:07.730 Well, I'll tell you what. No, we're going to use 0:08:07.790 --> 0:08:10.080 that as a little tease to bring you back and 0:08:10.120 --> 0:08:12.670 talk about your recent trip. Is that the direction we're going? 0:08:12.730 --> 0:08:14.190 No, I was going to tell you about what's going 0:08:14.270 --> 0:08:17.650 on at Indian Hill High School on October 22nd. when 0:08:17.750 --> 0:08:20.730 we are going to introduce the exciting side of history 0:08:20.790 --> 0:08:23.640 to a lot of local high school students and the community. 0:08:23.780 --> 0:08:25.620 Okay, well, it's 7.15 right now. We'll get the details 0:08:25.700 --> 0:08:27.320 on that, and then we'll let the listeners know why 0:08:27.360 --> 0:08:29.420 it is, I thought, you were going to be talking 0:08:29.440 --> 0:08:31.720 about socialism and communism, why you were going to go 0:08:31.740 --> 0:08:33.059 down the road of your recent trip. 0:08:33.140 --> 0:08:33.860 Oh, yeah. 0:08:34.059 --> 0:08:38.140 Considering the European Union is coming unglued. More with Peter 0:08:38.179 --> 0:08:42.650 Bronson at 7.15. 7.25, you can find us here at 0:08:42.670 --> 0:08:47.230 CD Talk Station. Bronson with Peter Bronson. Everybody in Cincinnati 0:08:47.250 --> 0:08:48.849 loves Peter Bronson. If you read one of his books, 0:08:48.870 --> 0:08:51.010 you'll know why. And, of course, those who remember his 0:08:51.050 --> 0:08:53.190 days at the Enquirer, we still miss you, man. 0:08:53.370 --> 0:08:54.310 Oh, thank you very much. 0:08:54.410 --> 0:08:58.120 And I can testify that not everybody loved me. 0:08:58.620 --> 0:09:03.339 Well, you obviously survived a lot of challenges over the years. 0:09:03.380 --> 0:09:04.900 So we thought you did a good job as the 0:09:04.920 --> 0:09:08.180 editorial director over at the Enquirer. And, boy, sure couldn't 0:09:08.210 --> 0:09:10.910 they use you now, Peter Bronson. Anyway, you were talking 0:09:10.929 --> 0:09:13.290 about the Indian Hill event. Get some flesh on the 0:09:13.330 --> 0:09:15.790 bones of that, and then also we're going to pivot 0:09:15.850 --> 0:09:18.130 over to your trip to Paris and London, which is 0:09:18.150 --> 0:09:19.450 what I thought you were talking about. 0:09:19.470 --> 0:09:19.890 You bet. 0:09:20.360 --> 0:09:23.660 So this is part of the Indian Hill Historical Society's 0:09:24.000 --> 0:09:26.640 author series, and they do this every year. And as 0:09:26.679 --> 0:09:29.420 you know with my books, my intention has always been 0:09:29.440 --> 0:09:32.800 to focus on our local history and show people that 0:09:32.860 --> 0:09:34.600 history can be exciting. 0:09:34.740 --> 0:09:35.059 Oh, yeah. 0:09:35.240 --> 0:09:37.990 It doesn't have to be textbooks of dates and places 0:09:38.050 --> 0:09:41.410 and treaties and so forth. So my books really go 0:09:41.880 --> 0:09:44.880 in that direction to try and make history accessible and 0:09:44.920 --> 0:09:48.040 exciting and fun to read, especially for young people. And 0:09:48.059 --> 0:09:50.960 this is a great event because the whole intention is 0:09:51.020 --> 0:09:52.990 that we're going to spend the whole day at Indian 0:09:53.020 --> 0:09:57.630 Hill High School and Cincinnati Country Day speaking to kids 0:09:57.890 --> 0:10:00.260 in high school about history and telling them some of 0:10:00.300 --> 0:10:02.559 these stories from my book called Promise Land. 0:10:02.720 --> 0:10:07.590 Promise Land. Outstanding book. Not a time in history that 0:10:07.690 --> 0:10:10.309 I would really enjoy being in this particular area, Peter. 0:10:10.530 --> 0:10:10.770 No. 0:10:10.950 --> 0:10:14.069 The horrors of living in the greater Cincinnati area during 0:10:14.130 --> 0:10:16.449 the settler days cannot be understated. 0:10:16.970 --> 0:10:20.760 The 1780s, 1790s were a very perilous place for new 0:10:20.800 --> 0:10:27.679 settlers in Ohio, especially in the Miami slaughterhouse. That was 0:10:27.720 --> 0:10:30.250 the name that was given to it by the settlers 0:10:30.350 --> 0:10:33.760 because of the local Shawnee and Miami tribes were We're 0:10:33.800 --> 0:10:38.699 so brutal and so hostile to new settlement here. But 0:10:38.980 --> 0:10:41.880 so anyway, we're going to have an evening event on Thursday, 0:10:41.970 --> 0:10:45.270 October 22nd, as well as the daytime talks. And that's 0:10:45.309 --> 0:10:48.170 at 7 p.m. at Indian Hill High School. The door 0:10:48.230 --> 0:10:49.969 is open at 630. 0:10:49.970 --> 0:10:50.810 It is free. 0:10:51.030 --> 0:10:51.309 Great. 0:10:51.570 --> 0:10:52.450 Open to the public. 0:10:53.130 --> 0:10:56.230 We will talk about promised land and the exciting history 0:10:56.270 --> 0:11:00.430 of Cincinnati's early days and how that contributed to the 0:11:00.490 --> 0:11:04.810 expansion of our nation and was the key. to the 0:11:04.870 --> 0:11:06.469 development of our country going west. 0:11:06.630 --> 0:11:10.229 Oh, yeah. It's hard to think, you know, in these 0:11:10.330 --> 0:11:13.610 early times that this was like the edge of civilization here. 0:11:13.650 --> 0:11:14.370 Yeah, yeah. 0:11:14.510 --> 0:11:17.429 And that you had to pretty much stay in these 0:11:17.500 --> 0:11:20.380 little forts that they built because lurking in the woods 0:11:20.559 --> 0:11:23.040 literally right outside the fort are a bunch of Indians 0:11:23.059 --> 0:11:24.720 who would love nothing more than to slaughter you. 0:11:24.860 --> 0:11:25.360 Exactly. 0:11:25.480 --> 0:11:27.200 Along with the British that would pay them. 0:11:27.440 --> 0:11:30.300 Yeah, the British were using them as their proxy army, 0:11:30.860 --> 0:11:34.770 not unlike what Iran does with Hamas. They're paying them with, 0:11:34.809 --> 0:11:37.840 they'll give them $ 100 for a live hostage and $ 50 0:11:37.790 --> 0:11:42.920 for every scalp they collect from these settlers. And so 0:11:44.220 --> 0:11:50.559 about 1,500 people were taken in a three-year period. Daughters, wives, children. 0:11:51.420 --> 0:11:53.590 If you were lucky, they would march you all the 0:11:53.610 --> 0:11:56.070 way from Cincinnati to Detroit where they would sell you 0:11:56.130 --> 0:11:59.170 to the British. You could be a slave for the British, 0:11:59.250 --> 0:12:01.670 which is what they used you for. You might never 0:12:01.730 --> 0:12:04.550 see your family again. Most people did not. If you're 0:12:04.610 --> 0:12:07.930 less lucky, they might kill you on the spot if 0:12:07.970 --> 0:12:09.970 you resisted, or they might take you back to their 0:12:09.990 --> 0:12:12.449 village and torture you for three or four days for 0:12:12.530 --> 0:12:14.310 the amusement of the entire tribe. 0:12:14.330 --> 0:12:17.610 Yeah, and torture is really a delicate or an easy 0:12:17.650 --> 0:12:23.040 way of describing what you actually had to experience. It is. 0:12:23.320 --> 0:12:23.660 Brutal. 0:12:24.320 --> 0:12:25.480 Merciless torture. 0:12:25.500 --> 0:12:26.160 Very creative. 0:12:26.500 --> 0:12:26.880 Yeah. 0:12:27.679 --> 0:12:30.949 In inflicting unbelievable levels of pain for days. 0:12:30.750 --> 0:12:33.530 At a time. That is in The Promised Land, just 0:12:33.610 --> 0:12:35.430 part of The Promised Land, How the Midwest Was Won, 0:12:35.450 --> 0:12:37.820 Cincinnati History, Queen City of the West. It's right there. 0:12:38.600 --> 0:12:40.720 I'm looking at your Amazon link. Of course, you can 0:12:40.740 --> 0:12:43.800 get the books there. But again, ChiliDogPress.com. Get that book 0:12:43.860 --> 0:12:47.620 and Also, you know, I think my favorite is the 0:12:48.020 --> 0:12:50.930 Sin City book. Oh, yeah. Forbidden Fruit, Sin City's Underworld, 0:12:50.950 --> 0:12:53.689 and the Supper Club, the Inferno from the Beverly Hills 0:12:53.710 --> 0:12:56.370 Supper Club. That is fascinating. Real quick, since I brought 0:12:56.410 --> 0:12:59.070 it up, you can easily dispatch or dispense with the topic, 0:12:59.090 --> 0:13:01.450 but your trip to Paris and London, I just wanted 0:13:01.470 --> 0:13:04.070 to know. Because we're getting all kinds of reports out 0:13:04.110 --> 0:13:06.730 of notably Paris and France, generally speaking, about the riots. 0:13:06.750 --> 0:13:07.990 Yeah, the riots were going when we were there. 0:13:08.030 --> 0:13:09.170 That's what it's going to ask. Were they? 0:13:09.410 --> 0:13:12.150 Yes, they were. I didn't see much for the actual rioting. 0:13:12.190 --> 0:13:14.329 What I saw is a bunch of high school kids 0:13:14.429 --> 0:13:17.079 loitering around a high school where they had taken all 0:13:17.120 --> 0:13:19.320 the dumpsters they could find on the street and pushed 0:13:19.340 --> 0:13:21.060 them in front of the high school door like this 0:13:21.100 --> 0:13:24.060 was some kind of big barricade. And, you know, the 0:13:24.260 --> 0:13:27.560 irony of this is, again, goes back to literacy. People 0:13:27.600 --> 0:13:31.820 have forgotten. This is echoes of the French Revolution. The 0:13:31.880 --> 0:13:36.160 French Revolution is still destroying Europe. If you ask people 0:13:36.260 --> 0:13:39.040 over there, the guides we saw, I asked them this question. 0:13:39.600 --> 0:13:46.250 How come these cathedrals, these beautiful monuments to faith, are 0:13:46.290 --> 0:13:49.270 mostly empty today except for tourists? They're not used for 0:13:49.309 --> 0:13:53.089 worship anymore. And they said that began with the French Revolution. 0:13:53.510 --> 0:13:57.710 Religion was declared to be a superstition. Many churches were destroyed. 0:13:57.790 --> 0:14:00.860 Many of the relics and records in those churches were burned. 0:14:01.520 --> 0:14:05.230 And that's when Europe began, especially in France, to lose 0:14:05.270 --> 0:14:05.730 its faith. 0:14:06.050 --> 0:14:06.469 Yeah. 0:14:06.490 --> 0:14:10.910 And you see what a disaster that was, how people 0:14:10.970 --> 0:14:14.370 were terrified. It was a reign of terror, a reign 0:14:14.410 --> 0:14:19.640 of error politically for decades. And now people are turning 0:14:19.700 --> 0:14:21.640 back to that as if, you know, this is what 0:14:21.680 --> 0:14:22.820 we want, power to the people. 0:14:23.040 --> 0:14:25.480 Well, you know, it was a real eye-opener when the 0:14:25.520 --> 0:14:30.350 Pope showed up and the hundreds of thousands— flooded the 0:14:30.410 --> 0:14:32.350 streets in support of him to see him. It's like, 0:14:32.390 --> 0:14:36.210 wait a second, you still have people who are people 0:14:36.250 --> 0:14:38.860 of faith there? Yes. I didn't think those folks exist anymore. 0:14:39.080 --> 0:14:40.700 I guess they just keep their mouths shut because they 0:14:40.720 --> 0:14:44.600 don't want to be ostracized, criticized, or otherwise lampooned. 0:14:45.080 --> 0:14:47.479 Yeah, sort of like conservatives in this country. 0:14:47.520 --> 0:14:50.180 You got that right, Peter Bronson. And on that comedic note, 0:14:50.220 --> 0:14:53.080 let's take a quick break here at 726 F55K or 0:14:53.120 --> 0:14:56.550 CD Talk Station. More with Peter Bronson coming up. Zimmer, 0:14:56.630 --> 0:14:58.830 heating and air conditioning, that is the Trust Talk Station. 0:14:58.830 --> 0:15:03.850 7.30 on a Friday, an extra special Friday with Peter 0:15:03.890 --> 0:15:06.960 Bronson in studio. Check out his whole lineup of books. Again, 0:15:07.000 --> 0:15:10.060 his publishing company is ChiliDogPress.com. You get the full Peter 0:15:10.080 --> 0:15:12.680 Bronson author lineup. Behind the Lines, The Untold Story of 0:15:12.700 --> 0:15:15.860 the Cincinnati Riots. Promised Land, How the Midwest Was Won, 0:15:15.880 --> 0:15:19.320 which we were just talking about. Magical History Tour, Murder, Mystery, 0:15:19.380 --> 0:15:22.620 and Buried History. That is a fun, fun read. That's 0:15:22.640 --> 0:15:23.740 your most recent book, isn't it? 0:15:23.830 --> 0:15:25.780 It is, yeah. A collection of short stories. 0:15:26.020 --> 0:15:28.220 And that's the one that you explained about the old 0:15:28.280 --> 0:15:29.860 medical college here in the city of Cincinnati? 0:15:29.880 --> 0:15:30.760 Yes, the Body Snatchers. 0:15:30.980 --> 0:15:33.460 Oh, that's a fun place to have been. 0:15:33.480 --> 0:15:33.550 Yay! 0:15:34.000 --> 0:15:35.260 Off to school, Mom! 0:15:35.300 --> 0:15:37.100 They called them the Resurrection Men. 0:15:37.380 --> 0:15:39.840 Oh, Lord Almighty. The stench of that place. 0:15:39.920 --> 0:15:40.340 Oh, my gosh. 0:15:40.360 --> 0:15:42.080 Oh, the horror, the body parts. 0:15:42.160 --> 0:15:43.960 And then they would dig up the bodies, and they 0:15:43.980 --> 0:15:46.230 weren't always fresh, but the first thing they'd do would 0:15:46.300 --> 0:15:49.620 strip it. And then sell the clothes to unsuspecting people. 0:15:49.910 --> 0:15:53.100 These are medical students and physicians that are teaching medical students. 0:15:53.120 --> 0:15:55.820 And the body snatchers that they're paying. And these people 0:15:55.860 --> 0:15:57.840 would buy the clothes and go, man, that smells bad. 0:15:58.040 --> 0:16:02.970 Yeah, definitely. And then, of course, the Forbidden Fruit book, 0:16:02.990 --> 0:16:05.670 which I said, not in our town, I didn't mention, 0:16:05.730 --> 0:16:07.390 not in our town, the Queen City versus the King 0:16:07.430 --> 0:16:09.970 of Smut. The Hustler. 0:16:10.270 --> 0:16:10.430 Yeah. 0:16:11.490 --> 0:16:12.110 Larry Flint. 0:16:12.490 --> 0:16:13.110 Absolutely. 0:16:13.170 --> 0:16:13.950 That was us, man. 0:16:14.110 --> 0:16:14.470 That was us. 0:16:14.470 --> 0:16:17.510 Cincinnati Art Museum and who was it that prosecuted him? 0:16:17.530 --> 0:16:19.290 That was Siles. Siles, yes. 0:16:19.670 --> 0:16:24.470 And Cincinnati was in the crosshairs nationally as being this 0:16:25.870 --> 0:16:29.830 kind of backwater of prudes and Catholics and religious people 0:16:29.930 --> 0:16:33.690 and uptight Midwesterners who just couldn't get with it to 0:16:33.790 --> 0:16:36.900 understand how liberating pornography was. 0:16:37.120 --> 0:16:37.300 Yeah. 0:16:37.450 --> 0:16:38.910 So that's really what it was all about. 0:16:38.950 --> 0:16:41.550 Well, the bar has been lowered so much since then. 0:16:41.650 --> 0:16:44.370 I mean, there is not a human being that sits 0:16:44.410 --> 0:16:48.170 in a prosecutor's office that would ever consider prosecuting for 0:16:48.250 --> 0:16:49.530 the Mapplethorpe photographs. 0:16:49.790 --> 0:16:50.489 Yeah, yeah. 0:16:50.870 --> 0:16:53.970 Which, that just shows the de-evolution, doesn't it? 0:16:54.210 --> 0:16:57.110 It does. Our standards have declined steeply. 0:16:57.470 --> 0:16:59.170 But you know, you got to take your hat off, 0:16:59.270 --> 0:17:01.790 I think, and tip it to the people who stood 0:17:01.910 --> 0:17:05.350 up against that and said, this is not the direction 0:17:05.390 --> 0:17:07.630 we want to go for our community, for our children. 0:17:08.090 --> 0:17:09.610 We don't want this pornography. 0:17:09.670 --> 0:17:11.750 We don't want these creeps that bring it to town 0:17:12.170 --> 0:17:14.790 and the adult bookstores and all the other garbage that 0:17:14.869 --> 0:17:15.500 comes with it. 0:17:15.830 --> 0:17:18.649 Of course. But now you can stream it 24-7 in 0:17:18.670 --> 0:17:19.890 the comfort of your own home. 0:17:20.130 --> 0:17:20.970 It's all on your phone. 0:17:21.270 --> 0:17:24.150 Everywhere. You have billions and billions and billions and billions 0:17:24.190 --> 0:17:28.220 of dollars in hits at those porn sites all the time. Sad. 0:17:28.260 --> 0:17:28.959 This is where we are. 0:17:29.080 --> 0:17:29.360 Oh, yeah. 0:17:29.880 --> 0:17:32.060 I guess we can all call it that. Forbidden Fruit, 0:17:32.119 --> 0:17:34.040 like I said, I think is my favorite. Sin City's 0:17:34.119 --> 0:17:37.810 Underworld and the Supper Club Inferno. Everything that was going 0:17:37.950 --> 0:17:41.550