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Speaker 1: Billy cunning in the Great America. Welcome. It's Wednesday, Afternion.

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Speaker 1: The Tri State temperatures about minus one versus wind shows

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Speaker 1: hits the ground. And we continue with that, plus the

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Speaker 1: outrage of Bill Belichick. I know Moe and Tony Bend

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Speaker 1: are all upset about Bill Belichick not in the Hall

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Speaker 1: of Fame. I tell you why he's not in the

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Speaker 1: Football Hall of Fame. Jordan Hudson. That's the problem right there,

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Speaker 1: Jordan Hudson is why he's not in the Hall of Fame.

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Speaker 1: They're jealous Bill pulling. The others are jealous. That's coming

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Speaker 1: up later, but first some serious matters. Yesterday I spoke

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Speaker 1: off the air to Rob Sanders about the carjacking taking

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Speaker 1: place in Edgewood, Kentucky, Kenton County, involving one to Anthony

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Speaker 1: Bullocks and because of a simple justice in Hamley County.

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Speaker 1: Whether it's Jarrell Austin or Anthony Bullocks or sincere, this

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Speaker 1: is a good name, first name for a man. Grigsby

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Speaker 1: were with Ryan Hinton when they stole a car in

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Speaker 1: Kenton County and then for a while drove it around

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Speaker 1: fleeing and looting, resulting ultimately in the murder of Deputy

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Speaker 1: Sheriff Larry Henderson by the father of Ryan Hinton, who

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Speaker 1: was shot by CPD officer, the father being Rodney Hinton Junior.

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Speaker 1: He's thirty nine years old. Now he can't get the

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Speaker 1: death penalty in Ohio anymore because he was mentally ill

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Speaker 1: supposedly joining you nine now is that same, Rob Sanders. Plus,

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Speaker 1: we have to talk about the sheriff of Boone County,

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Speaker 1: Mike Helmig, who passed away yesterday after fighting an illness.

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Speaker 1: He retired a few months back, but until then, Rob Sanders,

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Speaker 1: welcome again to the Bill Cunningham Show. And first of all,

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Speaker 1: tell me about what can we not of anything to

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Speaker 1: give justice to the carjackers and Edgewood who stole a

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Speaker 1: vehicle out of a driveway that ultimately resulted in the

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Speaker 1: murder of Larry Henderson. What can be done, if anything?

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Speaker 2: Well, Willie, thanks for having me back on.

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Speaker 3: I'm over here on the south side of the river

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Speaker 3: trying to stay warned today. I'm really glad you didn't

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Speaker 3: ask me what I'm gonna do to get justice for

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Speaker 3: Bill Belichick and his denial of the Hall of Fame

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Speaker 3: induction because of his girlfriend.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I don't know that there's much that I can do

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Speaker 3: about that, although I would agree that that is a

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Speaker 3: travesty that if anybody deserves to be in the Hall,

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Speaker 3: it's Bill Belichick. Otherwise we shouldn't even put coaches in there,

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Speaker 3: And that'd be like having a radio Hall of Fame

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Speaker 3: and I'm putting Bill Cunningham in it. So we can't

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Speaker 3: have a hall until we have the most famous, kind

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Speaker 3: of like the Baseball Hall of Fame, you know, without

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Speaker 3: Pete Rose, is it really a Hall of Fame?

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Speaker 1: I don't care anyhow, I tell you, hold on before

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Speaker 1: we get serious. Can you tell me how Pete Rose

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Speaker 1: is not in the Hall of Fame but Carlos Birdtran.

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Speaker 1: Carlos Birdtran was put in a couple of weeks ago.

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Speaker 1: I'm talking about Carlos Birdtran as a Hall of Famer,

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Speaker 1: but not Pete Rose. Can you explain that one to me?

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Speaker 3: No, it's a joke, Willie, Especially when we have DraftKings

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Speaker 3: and all these other gambling sites are now sponsors of

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Speaker 3: Major League Baseball teams.

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Speaker 2: I think there's like a.

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Speaker 3: Gambling lounge now in great American ballpark where you can

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Speaker 3: go and set on every pitch, whether it's a ball

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Speaker 3: or a strike. Now, how we are not putting Pete

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Speaker 3: Rose in the Hall of Fame for gambling even on

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Speaker 3: baseball when he was always betting in favor of his

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Speaker 3: own team. That is just beyond me. It mystifies me, Willie.

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Speaker 3: Like I said, there can't be a baseball Hall of

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Speaker 3: Fame until Pete's in it, and there can't be a

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Speaker 3: Both of them are travesty's of justice. It must be

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Speaker 3: rectified if we were to seriously call them halls of fame. Now,

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Speaker 3: the Anthony Bullock, now he's in jail. Something that I

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Speaker 3: do know a little bit about. The Anthony Bullocks was

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Speaker 3: charged by the Edgewood Police with stealing a car that

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Speaker 3: from that same car over in Cincinnati. But he is

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Speaker 3: charged with a felony offense of theft over one thousand dollars.

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Speaker 3: It's unfortunately only a Class D felony in Kentucky. Looking

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Speaker 3: at one to five years for stealing that car. He

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Speaker 3: my understanding, is currently in the Hamilton County Detention Center.

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Speaker 1: So is the fact that the car stolen by de

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Speaker 1: Anthony Bullocks he later picked up his gang of Jirell

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Speaker 1: Austin sincere Gregsby and Ryan Hinton that ultimately resulted in

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Speaker 1: the murder of a police officer in uniform? Is that

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Speaker 1: case or is that something specifically? He did not intend

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Speaker 2: Is well, sir?

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Speaker 3: We take the criminal history of all defendants into account

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Speaker 3: agreement we should offer. We've done that in the past.

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Speaker 3: Most recently, there was a fellow who stole a generator

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Speaker 3: He ended up down in Scott County, Kentucky, where he

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Speaker 3: car jackson people in Fayette County.

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Speaker 2: Which Lexington, Kentucky.

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Speaker 3: That guy, Stephen Shanshang, was prosecuted in Kenton for burglary

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Speaker 3: of twenty years in prison. And that's the maximum we

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Speaker 3: that every burglar gets twenty years up here the maximum sentence.

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Speaker 3: But we do reserve those maximum sentence for people to

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Speaker 3: because there's nothing that requires us to turn a blind

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Speaker 3: that is something that we commonly do, and I anticipate

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Speaker 3: that'll probably be something we do with mister Bullocks as well.

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Speaker 2: Well.

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Speaker 1: I you know, it's in fantasy land, but we used

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Speaker 1: that we had things like fleeing and eluting if you

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Speaker 1: Grigsby Hinton sounds like a law firm. They stole the vehicle,

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Speaker 1: used it for god knows what purposes. They're fleeing and

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Speaker 1: your cornered. That's like not all of the hell, the

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Speaker 1: which is one of the purpose. And the cop was

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Speaker 1: by the way, given a Texas El Paso and a

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Speaker 1: good decision by Connie Pilloch. He said the shooting was

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Speaker 1: justified of Ryan Hinton. Of course, city council still wants

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Speaker 1: to give them two million dollars the family. Shall I say,

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Speaker 1: wouldn't you treat this differently in Kenton County than happened

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Speaker 3: Well, Willie, I can tell you this, we don't have

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Speaker 3: justice jackpots over here on the south side of the river.

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Speaker 2: That if you commit a crime.

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Speaker 3: And you have a run in with the police, whether

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Speaker 3: and the life of their fellow officers, that's not a jackpot.

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Speaker 3: You know. It's not the lottery. It's not Keno. You know,

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Speaker 3: we're not handing out large piles of cash to people

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Speaker 3: that break the law. Now, what they do on the

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Speaker 3: just increased the punishment for fleeing police.

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Speaker 2: It's now a violent crime.

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Speaker 3: It carries fifty percent parole eligibility, which doesn't sound like

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Speaker 3: nearly enough, but it's a lot better than the twenty.

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Speaker 2: Percent that used to be.

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Speaker 3: And they also increased the punishment from one to five

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Speaker 3: Any one of those things will get you five to

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Speaker 3: on this side of the river, it is fleeing police

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Speaker 3: because we get so many people to come south of

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Speaker 3: not a big deal to run from the police. On

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Speaker 1: It's sick. And now I can't imagine Covington City council

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Speaker 1: or mayor Washington or Kenton County saying, you know what,

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Speaker 1: this guy pointed a gun in police to kill police,

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Speaker 1: Ryan Henton. I don't think Covington City council or the mayor,

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Speaker 1: or you are the kent County commissioners would say, let's

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Speaker 1: give his estate a couple million dollars? Is that possible?

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Speaker 3: In Covington we get more than our fair sheriff privolous

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Speaker 3: lawsuits they're filed against. Our officers will usually buy attorneys

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Speaker 3: again from the north side of the river, to think

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Speaker 3: they are and other jurisdictions, and that's just not the case.

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Speaker 3: I know the City of Covington does an excellent job

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Speaker 3: their legal department and the contract attorneys that they hire

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Speaker 3: to defend the.

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Speaker 2: Officers, and they do it to the best of their ability.

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Speaker 3: Anybody that wants to see the City of Covington's going

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Speaker 3: to be in for a fight. I know every other

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Speaker 3: police agency in Kenton County is the same way.

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Speaker 2: Fortunately, we don't have nearly as many.

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Speaker 3: Officers involved shootings on this side of the river as

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Speaker 3: they do on the north side of the river. It's

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Speaker 3: much safer over here for our officers, for the community,

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Speaker 3: and for that matter, even for the criminals. But nevertheless,

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Speaker 3: we certainly are not proactively looking to hand out checks

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Speaker 3: before a lawsuits even filed, and they fight tooth and

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Speaker 3: nail to defend our officers. And you know, on the

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Speaker 3: rare occasion where an officer makes a mistake, I'm sure

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Speaker 3: that there have been plenty of mistakes that have been settled.

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Speaker 3: But no, we don't look at it like jackpot justice

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Speaker 3: where you just stroke them a check just because they

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Speaker 3: You know, they're going to litigate to the fullest extent

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Speaker 3: the taxpayers as well, because, ultimately, Willy, anytime you hear

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Speaker 1: So kind of wrap those up. You have a holder

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Speaker 1: Sheriff Mike didn't in a sense dying a line of duty,

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Speaker 3: Will you know these dedicated public servants, really heroes that

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Speaker 2: Their health deteriorates that much faster.

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Speaker 3: And I think that Cherff Hellman was no exception that

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Speaker 3: The court is all levels to go into these high

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Speaker 2: It beats on you just.

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Speaker 3: Like any kind of unhealthy habit would. The only difference

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Speaker 1: Lastly, about a minute remaining. I see Kent County. There

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Speaker 1: I know you're catching some flak from the radical left.

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Speaker 3: It's not going to happen in Kentucky. It's certainly not

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Speaker 2: The farmers were far more mad.

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Speaker 2: Most of the people that we are deporting out of

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Speaker 3: Because we're picking them up out of the jails. Willie,

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Speaker 1: Run. But tonight, before you go to bed, just say

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Speaker 1: And then any of is parking. No one goes here anymore.

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Speaker 1: Walt's Hitching Post and Herbin Thelmas are my go to locations.

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Speaker 2: Sounds good, Willie, I will.

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Speaker 3: And now that we don't have precious hot pudge Sundays

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Speaker 3: And then of course our steak dinners at Waltz. Different

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Speaker 3: time we have a Governor's selection to gamble on. Daniel

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Speaker 3: Cameron really cost me a big one, yeah, But nevertheless,

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Speaker 1: God bless the place of my birth, Covington, and God

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Speaker 1: bless America. Once again, Thank you very much, Rob for

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