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Speaker 2: This is a kind of a callback to our uriciic discussion. Sorry, Dan,

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Speaker 2: just tuning in. Youre talking about David Yurchik or JJ

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Speaker 2: McCarthy man. That's that's a fastball right under the chin,

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Speaker 2: is what that is? Well, we'll see. I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I'm trying to get more excited about if it's a

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Speaker 2: FATA compley about Kyler Murray. I really am.

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Speaker 3: I just.

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Speaker 2: I don't like the concept of feeling like I'm getting

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Speaker 2: somebody else's reject. Now again, you could say, well, what

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Speaker 2: did Sam Darnold represent?

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Speaker 3: But I.

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Speaker 2: Just I don't know. I don't have you know, before

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Speaker 2: we get to some texts these quotes, this goes back

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Speaker 2: aways in fairness to Murray. Okay, so you could say, well,

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Speaker 2: this was I think this is from my twenty twenty three.

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Speaker 2: Do you remember I don't remember this, but the former

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Speaker 2: Allper running back Lashawn McCoy just dest on a podcast

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Speaker 2: called I Am Athlete Tonight. He just destroyed Murray. But

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Speaker 2: he kind of, to me encapsulated my issues with him.

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Speaker 2: Runs around, runs backward, He does a circle, the Ballerina circle,

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Speaker 2: then goes left, goes right, turns all the way around again,

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Speaker 2: then looks for a wide receiver. That's not how you

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Speaker 2: play quarterback. Now has he improved on that a little bit? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Maybe he ain't. Mahomes let me tell you my Mahomes

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Speaker 2: real quick. Majority of Mahomes passes are based on timing.

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Speaker 2: Third step hit boom balls out, fifth step boom balls out.

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Speaker 2: Now sometimes he goes off script. We can all do that,

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Speaker 2: but not every pass. Every pass Murray is holding the ball.

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Speaker 2: Let's make a miracle every game he's played. Watch him play.

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Speaker 2: It's embarrassing to be honest, like, who's coaching this kid?

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Speaker 3: Now?

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Speaker 2: I know we got the quarterback whisper, and I'm sure

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Speaker 2: he's gotten a little better on that. But I then

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Speaker 2: and I won't even get to this part with Robert Smith,

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Speaker 2: and I meant to because Robert Smith when he would

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Speaker 2: analyze players that he on games that he broadcast college

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Speaker 2: or pro, but especially pro. One of the things that

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Speaker 2: always stood out when we've talked to him is, you know,

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Speaker 2: the broadcast crew gets in early and they get an audience,

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Speaker 2: often with the head coach and maybe a couple of

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Speaker 2: he would pay attention to is is the quarterback I'm

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Speaker 2: talking to, is he even me any impression that he

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Speaker 2: he is thinking this game through that he understands is

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Speaker 2: not just about whatever God given talent I'm given. It

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Speaker 2: would be an alarm bell for him. Who did it?

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Speaker 2: Came up with who's the form of Bears quarterback? Who

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Speaker 2: was most recently with the Jets field from Justin Fields.

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Speaker 2: I asked you about him the other day again, and

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Speaker 2: that's the first thing he said to us that Justin

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Speaker 2: was complaining about, Well, there's so much to remember and

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Speaker 2: I got to do this, and they all and Roberts like, really,

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Speaker 2: you know inside he said, well, that's kind of the job,

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Speaker 2: you know, It's kind of what you got to do.

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Speaker 2: So we all know the famous you know, contract clause situation.

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Speaker 2: How true that was or how embellished it was, I

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Speaker 2: don't know. I'm just again, I probably, like Robert said,

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Speaker 2: would take him over Gino because I just don't think

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Speaker 2: would rather not come down to that. I really and again,

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Speaker 2: I know that there's no great options, but none of

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Speaker 2: those necessarily excite me. Does Russo not have five minutes

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Speaker 2: This is from Dylan in Northfield. I hesitated to have

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Speaker 2: It wouldn't be a full segment. We wouldn't keep him

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Speaker 2: our behalf and say, hey, look, all right, Barrero is

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Speaker 2: and butter him up. Say, we're getting text after text

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Speaker 3: Dan.

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Speaker 2: Not only do I regard Robert Smith as far better

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Speaker 2: than mediocre? How cool is it to be the answer

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Speaker 2: to the question who originated the Ohio State University? On

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Speaker 2: MNF Mike in New Richmond, Dan, how we feel if

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Speaker 2: JJ ran around like Murray, they'd rip him to shreds

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Speaker 2: so at KOC. That's Mike in New Richmond, Dan, Dave

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Speaker 2: from Des Moines checking in. I seem to recall you

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Speaker 2: weren't excited about Darnald, and Sean Salisbury told you to

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Speaker 2: just watch this guy and you'll see. Maybe you should

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Speaker 2: ask Salisbury about Kyler Murray. That's a great idea too. See,

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Speaker 2: we've got all these great suggestions from our text line.

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Speaker 2: Some days the text line is fruitful. I will. I

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Speaker 2: don't know when we're gonna have Salisbury on again, but

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna text him because I am actually curious because

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Speaker 2: he's one hundred percent right on Darnald. Sean kept saying

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Speaker 2: he's got there's some there there there's enough football there

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Speaker 2: in him. There's a good quarterback in there if you

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Speaker 2: get to the right people, or you get the right

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Speaker 2: people around him. Robert Smith has to be the most

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Speaker 2: underrated guest in the show. Always has an interesting opinion

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Speaker 2: on the vikings as well as a great look out

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Speaker 2: on life and sense of humor. Will always listen to

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Speaker 2: his segment, and it's a reminder that we should have

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Speaker 2: him on more often. He used to be a weekly

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Speaker 2: guest of this show for many years. At various times

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Speaker 2: he's done exactly that. And then I try to back

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Speaker 2: away because he's not exactly heavily compensated. In fact, he's

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Speaker 2: not compensated at all, so you know, and and and

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Speaker 2: that's true of some other people too. But you go, Okay,

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Speaker 2: more often. And he pretty much gave us the green light.

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Speaker 2: You heard it when he wasn't swearing, which you took

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Speaker 2: care of it, and think, at least for the purposes

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Speaker 2: of the frequency, hit the big button, hit the big button,

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Speaker 2: which was good. By the way, Yes, another trade no

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Speaker 2: or past the trade deadline?

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Speaker 3: No.

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Speaker 2: Michael Russel locked nice. That's simple. Yeah, it's beautiful. So

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Speaker 2: you're going to be bitter that it takes it, it

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Speaker 1: No, because the only person should be bitter is Kevin Falins.

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Speaker 1: I don't get to play his bid. Well, that's a

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Speaker 1: good point. It's a very good that's it, all right,

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Speaker 1: I'm fine with that. Let's get back on schedule. Ben

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Speaker 2: Very curious to get his view on the Kyler Murray

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Speaker 2: phenomena and whether it's just a FATA complee and we're

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Speaker 2: be more complicated than that. The news on the Viking

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Speaker 2: on Vikings Center A is it Ryan Kelly is as

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Speaker 2: his name. He has announced his retirement. No big surprise there,

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Speaker 2: but now official. That story broke earlier this afternoon, so

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Speaker 2: Jim from elk Rivers siggests that the name of the

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Speaker 2: new Bursach Robert Smith podcast should be way better than mediocre.

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Speaker 2: That would be a good name for a podcast, no

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Speaker 2: question about that. That's kind of an inside joke based

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Speaker 2: that as a compliment to Robert Smith's running style and

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Speaker 2: production as a professional football player. Dan with Love writes, James,

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Speaker 2: how hard would it be for you to keep a

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Speaker 2: Now you could say, well, yeah, you're saying that, but

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Speaker 2: I bet Kyler would be glad to hear the Vikings

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Speaker 1: On your podcast bit, yes you put out because you

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Speaker 1: put out sixteen podcasts.

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Speaker 2: So we go hour by hour.

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Speaker 2: There's no editing that's going on. It's all. It's all live.

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Speaker 2: Arizona having to put in Kyler's contract that he studies

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Speaker 2: the playbook a certain amount? Is that who you want

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Speaker 2: mentoring JJ? Kyler is always better than I think he's

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Speaker 2: going to be on the field. Super athletic, that's it.

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Speaker 3: be the message the Viking send this year. It's going

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00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:03,680
Speaker 3: to be you have the chance to come in and

433
00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:05,719
Speaker 3: win the job, made the best man win, and if

434
00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:08,159
Speaker 3: it's you, we're going to be behind you. So I

435
00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:10,880
Speaker 3: think a lot of it will be in how they

436
00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:13,720
Speaker 3: talk about it, and I think I'm not sure they're

437
00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:15,520
Speaker 3: going to be able to have any more of an

438
00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:18,520
Speaker 3: actionable promise then you're going to have a chance to

439
00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:20,439
Speaker 3: come in and compete. I think if they're signing a

440
00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:24,440
Speaker 3: guy at a VET minimum deal and promising him the job,

441
00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:26,200
Speaker 3: that's a little bit of fool's gold, and I don't

442
00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:28,640
Speaker 3: think they'll do it. So I think this probably ends

443
00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:31,320
Speaker 3: up being something where everybody gets a chance to win

444
00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:34,280
Speaker 3: the job, and if McCarthy shows the improvement that they

445
00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:36,320
Speaker 3: want to see, you know, maybe it's him. I think

446
00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:38,040
Speaker 3: that's a long way to go for him to get

447
00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:41,199
Speaker 3: there by the end of training camp this year, but

448
00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:43,560
Speaker 3: I think he'll get that chance and whoever they bring in,

449
00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:46,680
Speaker 3: we'll get the chance and probably can read the room

450
00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:48,600
Speaker 3: and say, hey, there's a good chance for me to

451
00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:52,000
Speaker 3: win the job, given where JJ McCarthy was last year

452
00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:54,040
Speaker 3: and the fact that he doesn't have kind of that

453
00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:58,080
Speaker 3: level of cache built up in the organization that he

454
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Speaker 3: might have with a better first season as a starter.

455
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Speaker 2: Beyond Kyler and Gino Smith, give me some other names

456
00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:06,880
Speaker 2: that you explore in the story that's a start tobeing

457
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Speaker 2: dot Com.

458
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Speaker 3: Well, we talked a little bit about Daniel Jones. I mean,

459
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Speaker 3: I think that will be tough because the transition tag

460
00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:17,399
Speaker 3: is there, and yeah, that's thirty seven point eight million

461
00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:20,280
Speaker 3: for the Colts, and they can match any offer sheet

462
00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:23,040
Speaker 3: that another team would throw at Daniel Jones. So if

463
00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:25,439
Speaker 3: that's less than thirty seven point eight million, I mean,

464
00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:27,680
Speaker 3: they've already signaled they're willing to pay him that much.

465
00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:30,480
Speaker 3: So I think it would be difficult to bring him back,

466
00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:32,520
Speaker 3: even if there'd be interested in doing it, because of

467
00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:35,920
Speaker 3: that familiarity. Then you know, Malik Willis I talked about

468
00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:37,760
Speaker 3: it a little bit just in terms of he's going

469
00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:39,280
Speaker 3: to be one of the big names on the market.

470
00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:42,880
Speaker 3: He's played in obviously a very similar offense in Green

471
00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:46,000
Speaker 3: Bay to what he'd have in Minnesota, But you have

472
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Speaker 3: questions with their ability there. I suppose you just you

473
00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:51,679
Speaker 3: haven't had to see him go through a full season,

474
00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:54,760
Speaker 3: and just when he's done it in Tennessee wasn't very good.

475
00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:58,080
Speaker 3: So how much of this can you map out to

476
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Speaker 3: a seventeen game season and what's the price going to

477
00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:02,479
Speaker 3: be on him? I think that'd be a little bit

478
00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:06,320
Speaker 3: of a tough road to take. And then you know

479
00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:09,919
Speaker 3: the old familiar candidates, Aaron Rodgers and Kirk Cousins. I

480
00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:11,959
Speaker 3: talked about them a little bit as well, just because

481
00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:15,360
Speaker 3: there were talks with Rogers last year. I think there

482
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Speaker 3: would be interest from Cousins in coming back. I think

483
00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:19,760
Speaker 3: he wants to be somewhere where he has a chance

484
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Speaker 3: to play, but he may read it as I have

485
00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:25,280
Speaker 3: a chance to go in there and compete for that job.

486
00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:27,840
Speaker 3: So I think that would be a little bit of

487
00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:30,240
Speaker 3: an oddfit because of the optics of it. But it's

488
00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:33,359
Speaker 3: hard to rule out because he's familiar with the offense, obviously,

489
00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:36,359
Speaker 3: has a very close relationship with Kevin O'Connell, knows a

490
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Speaker 3: lot of the coaches, knows a lot of the teammates,

491
00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:41,120
Speaker 3: so I can't rule that one out. I think it'd

492
00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:45,000
Speaker 3: be awkward, but I can't completely close it on that one.

493
00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:48,399
Speaker 3: And then you know, Jimmy Garoppolo I think is a

494
00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:50,280
Speaker 3: fit because of the scheme stuff. And I was talking

495
00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:52,160
Speaker 3: a little bit about Carson Wentz too, although it sounds

496
00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:54,680
Speaker 3: like the Jets are maybe interested in bringing Carson Wentz

497
00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:57,520
Speaker 3: to reunite with Frank Reich out there. So that's kind

498
00:26:57,520 --> 00:26:59,680
Speaker 3: of the list. I mean, Anthony Richardson comes up a

499
00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:02,119
Speaker 3: little bit because they were interested in him in that draft,

500
00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:04,880
Speaker 3: and we all remember that clip of O'Connell after the game,

501
00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:06,960
Speaker 3: and I think at twenty four telling Richardson, you know,

502
00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:09,480
Speaker 3: kind of hold your head up kind of stuff. So yeah,

503
00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:11,879
Speaker 3: that could be an avenue. I don't think that's going

504
00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:14,920
Speaker 3: to be the only avenue if they did that, but yeah,

505
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:17,000
Speaker 3: a lot of the names that they're going to look

506
00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:20,040
Speaker 3: at are people that have started and probably can be

507
00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:23,600
Speaker 3: had relatively cheaply, and you know, gives you at least

508
00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:27,160
Speaker 3: another option alongside McCarthy, if not a guy that takes

509
00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:27,880
Speaker 3: the job from him.

510
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Speaker 2: It sounds like my dream name, Aaron Rodgers, because I'm stubborn,

511
00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:38,160
Speaker 2: is not in the conversation out there right, we don't

512
00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:39,919
Speaker 2: get any I know. Again, on the one hand, it's like,

513
00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:43,240
Speaker 2: all we're considering everything, but that's awfully open ended, and

514
00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:46,679
Speaker 2: that doesn't necessarily mean that you're you are really, in

515
00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:51,320
Speaker 2: a realistic sense, considering everybody. Do you think that's ruled

516
00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:52,960
Speaker 2: out at this point Rogers has ruled out.

517
00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:56,399
Speaker 3: It's hard to say anything is ruled out. But I

518
00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:58,480
Speaker 3: do think you'd have a lot of the same questions

519
00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:02,000
Speaker 3: that existed last year in terms of, you know, how

520
00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:04,680
Speaker 3: much he'll be forty three I think in early December,

521
00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:07,399
Speaker 3: and how much does he have left at this point?

522
00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:10,679
Speaker 3: How mobile is he? I mean, he doesn't have to

523
00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:12,520
Speaker 3: play that way as much anymore. We saw some of

524
00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:14,960
Speaker 3: it last year. You can kind of pick his spots.

525
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:17,359
Speaker 3: But is he going to be a guy that you

526
00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:19,960
Speaker 3: trust over the course of seventeen games to hold up?

527
00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:23,199
Speaker 3: Is he somebody that fits what you want to do

528
00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:25,880
Speaker 3: long term? You know that's a one year solution. There's

529
00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:29,600
Speaker 3: really no realistic option to say it's more than that.

530
00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:31,359
Speaker 3: I don't think. I mean, he's on a year to

531
00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:33,760
Speaker 3: year basis at this point. And do you want to

532
00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:38,520
Speaker 3: have him come in and effectively guarantee him the job.

533
00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:40,720
Speaker 3: I mean, I think that's the thing you have to do.

534
00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:43,440
Speaker 3: I don't think you're going to have him come in

535
00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:46,320
Speaker 3: for MVPs to his name and a Super Bowl MVP

536
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:47,760
Speaker 3: to his name, saying Hey, you're going to go and

537
00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:50,400
Speaker 3: compete with this twenty three year old. I think that

538
00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:54,280
Speaker 3: would be a hard sell for a guy of that stature.

539
00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:56,960
Speaker 3: And I think it was last year. So there was

540
00:28:57,040 --> 00:29:01,080
Speaker 3: certainly people that were interested in the Rogers scenario last year,

541
00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:04,440
Speaker 3: and I think, you know, people that are going to

542
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:07,160
Speaker 3: have pretty strong voices in this thing again this year

543
00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:09,840
Speaker 3: because of the pedigree and because of what he's done

544
00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:12,040
Speaker 3: in this league. But I think a lot of the

545
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:16,560
Speaker 3: questions that existed last year would exist again. And I

546
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:20,280
Speaker 3: do wonder with him if he goes back to Pittsburgh.

547
00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:21,880
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, it's weird to kind of come

548
00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:24,600
Speaker 3: back full circle of this because I think things had

549
00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:29,240
Speaker 3: gotten a little bit disjointed with him and Mike McCarthy

550
00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:31,920
Speaker 3: as again in Green Bay. But you know, maybe they'll

551
00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:34,280
Speaker 3: maybe absence makes the hardcrow fonder and it's a familiar

552
00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:36,560
Speaker 3: offense and they go back to do it one more

553
00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:38,600
Speaker 3: time there. I mean, you know, it would be an

554
00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:41,560
Speaker 3: odd way for him to finish it out, but you know,

555
00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:44,720
Speaker 3: that is a possibility for him, and I think that's

556
00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:47,680
Speaker 3: probably more likely than the Vikings. But you know, there

557
00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:50,080
Speaker 3: were people, like I said last year, that were interested

558
00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:52,400
Speaker 3: in the Rogers scenario. So you know, maybe that comes

559
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:57,160
Speaker 3: up and gets another a conversation at least next week.

560
00:29:57,280 --> 00:30:01,120
Speaker 2: Ben Gasling's started view now Bonus Russo to talk wild

561
00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:06,080
Speaker 2: trade deadline moves at about five two and Lavel at

562
00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:09,880
Speaker 2: five thirty the Ryan Kelly News. He announces his retirement

563
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:15,240
Speaker 2: officially today. I assume that took nobody in the organization

564
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:16,400
Speaker 2: by surprise.

565
00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:21,920
Speaker 3: Correct. Yeah, they've been expecting this, and I think they've

566
00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:24,720
Speaker 3: they've been talking about him about what he's thinking, talking

567
00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:26,600
Speaker 3: with him about what he's thinking, I should say, for

568
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:29,400
Speaker 3: a while, and I know this was kind of a

569
00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:31,800
Speaker 3: decision he made with his family thinking about the future.

570
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:35,760
Speaker 3: Had three concussions last year, and really the one that

571
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:38,320
Speaker 3: he had, you know, he had the long break and

572
00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:41,800
Speaker 3: then they had him fitted for a new helmet. They

573
00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:44,240
Speaker 3: had him put a guardian cap in there too. Basically,

574
00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:47,040
Speaker 3: they took every precaution they could take in terms of

575
00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:49,959
Speaker 3: rest and protection with the helmet and then he got

576
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:52,280
Speaker 3: another one. So I think you get to that point

577
00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:55,960
Speaker 3: and say, if this is happening this much, and I

578
00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:58,640
Speaker 3: think you do become more susceptible to another one after

579
00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:02,800
Speaker 3: you've had a previous concussion. So if this is happening

580
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:04,200
Speaker 3: this much, you got to think about the rest of

581
00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:05,800
Speaker 3: your life. You got to think about your family. And

582
00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:08,680
Speaker 3: I think everybody in the organization was kind of expecting

583
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:10,960
Speaker 3: him to go this way. It's probably the right decision

584
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:14,280
Speaker 3: for him, as hard as that is. I'm sure to

585
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:17,560
Speaker 3: say goodbye after ten years and not really on your terms.

586
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:20,840
Speaker 3: It's because of the health stuff, but there's just it's

587
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:23,960
Speaker 3: too much of his life left. And I think there

588
00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:28,760
Speaker 3: was I know last year when he was on that

589
00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:32,560
Speaker 3: break and it kind of started in the overseas trip

590
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:35,280
Speaker 3: where he first got hurt or he had the second concussion,

591
00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:37,000
Speaker 3: I should say. And I think there was a lot

592
00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:39,240
Speaker 3: of discussion even then about do you want to keep

593
00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:41,880
Speaker 3: going with this and is it safe to keep going

594
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:44,560
Speaker 3: with this. So I think there's a lot of people

595
00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:47,280
Speaker 3: in the organization saying you need to think about the

596
00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:49,120
Speaker 3: long term. You need to think about what the rest

597
00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:51,120
Speaker 3: of your life looks like. This is not just about

598
00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:54,640
Speaker 3: the twenty twenty six Vikings or you playing another year

599
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:57,680
Speaker 3: in your career. It's more about what is the rest

600
00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:00,880
Speaker 3: of your life going to look like for this once

601
00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:04,040
Speaker 3: you've had the toll of perhaps another year of wear

602
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:06,320
Speaker 3: and tear in the NFL. So yeah, I think this

603
00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:09,320
Speaker 3: was kind of expected, and I think it's probably the

604
00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:12,040
Speaker 3: right decision for him. But yeah, I mean they're looking

605
00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:14,520
Speaker 3: for a center again. It clarses some salary gap space

606
00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:19,959
Speaker 3: once those papers are official. But yeah, it's another shift

607
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:22,720
Speaker 3: in that offensive line, but one that probably is for

608
00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:24,760
Speaker 3: the best, I would think for him in the long term.

609
00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:28,280
Speaker 2: So we need a center, we need a running back.

610
00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:30,760
Speaker 2: One would assume if the reporting that you guys have

611
00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:33,760
Speaker 2: done on Aaron Jones is accurate, unless is there any

612
00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:36,400
Speaker 2: reason to believe that we think that the Vikings think

613
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:38,760
Speaker 2: that they're going to give it a go with Jordan

614
00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:42,600
Speaker 2: Mason being literally their number one main running back or

615
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:43,280
Speaker 2: not so much.

616
00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:47,240
Speaker 3: I think Mason will be involved. I mean, he's signed

617
00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:50,200
Speaker 3: for this year and I think he'll have a pretty

618
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:53,400
Speaker 3: sizable role. But I would expect to continue to add

619
00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:55,720
Speaker 3: at that position. I mean, I think they've got enough

620
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:57,920
Speaker 3: draft picks. I would not be surprised at all if

621
00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:01,040
Speaker 3: they invest one, you know, maybe in those first couple

622
00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:02,520
Speaker 3: of days in a running back. I think they want

623
00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:05,720
Speaker 3: to get more explosive there and they have ideas that

624
00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:09,280
Speaker 3: that ground game becomes a little more effective with Frank

625
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:12,120
Speaker 3: Smith involved in the offense. So I think somebody else

626
00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:17,160
Speaker 3: comes in with Jordan Mason and once Aaron Jones is released,

627
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:20,360
Speaker 3: as he's expected to be next week. So yeah, I

628
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:22,600
Speaker 3: think that's another area where you probably look at and

629
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:26,000
Speaker 3: say they're going to need to invest some resources at

630
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:27,920
Speaker 3: that position as well. So it's you know, another one

631
00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:29,040
Speaker 3: you add to the list for sure.

632
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:33,280
Speaker 2: So we've seen a number of contracts adjusted right justin

633
00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:37,840
Speaker 2: Jefferson included darrisaw I think Jordan Murphy junior you mentioned

634
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:42,240
Speaker 2: is in that list. So do we know have we

635
00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:45,720
Speaker 2: been able to do all of the the numbers to

636
00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:49,080
Speaker 2: see whether we're now under the cap to the point

637
00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:52,560
Speaker 2: where we can be not as ambitious. I doubt we

638
00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:55,160
Speaker 2: can be as ambitious as we were last offseason, but

639
00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:57,600
Speaker 2: to still try to plug at least one of the

640
00:33:57,600 --> 00:34:00,800
Speaker 2: holes through free agency or where are yeah in that regard?

641
00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:06,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean the big thing to clarify here is

642
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:13,040
Speaker 3: how much they cleared in these three contract conversions for Jefferson, Darrisaw,

643
00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:15,840
Speaker 3: and Murphy. They got some of this in my story.

644
00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:19,400
Speaker 3: The most they could have cleared is I believe eighteen

645
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:21,920
Speaker 3: million for Jefferson. It's like nine and a quarter for

646
00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:26,920
Speaker 3: Darisaw and eleven point three I think for Murphy. If

647
00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:30,399
Speaker 3: you move all of that down the road. So if

648
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Speaker 3: you do those three cut Jonathan Allen, cut Javon Hargrave,

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Speaker 3: cut Aaron Jones, and then Ryan Kelly retires, they should

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Speaker 3: be under the cap at that point. So that should

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Speaker 3: give them enough room to play with I think, and

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Speaker 3: have a little bit of room to fill out the roster.

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Speaker 3: You know, you're probably talking in the neighborhood of twenty

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Speaker 3: some million at that point, maybe twenty five million under

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Speaker 3: I think by the math at this point that I

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Speaker 3: would have so and they're going to do some other

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Speaker 3: of things. I think Hockinson restructure is probably coming. A

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Speaker 3: Brian O'Neil extension is something I think they'd like to

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Speaker 3: get done. Some of these moves I believe are not

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Speaker 3: going to be official official until after the start of

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Speaker 3: the league year, so there may be a timing thing

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Speaker 3: there where they have to be under by three o'clock

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Speaker 3: next Wednesday. But some of the restructures can't happen exactly

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Speaker 3: before then, so you're going to have to clear a

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Speaker 3: little bit of room before some of these things hit.

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Speaker 3: And I think there'll be some moves to figure some

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Speaker 3: of those things out as well. But overall, I think

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Speaker 3: once the dust settles, they are going to have some

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Speaker 3: space to fill a few holes. I don't think it's

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Speaker 3: going to be a year where they're terribly ambitious. I

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Speaker 3: don't think it's going to look at it like it

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Speaker 3: did last year. And I think they're going to be

673
00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:51,359
Speaker 3: a little more conservative by nature anyway, And I don't

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Speaker 3: think they want to be committing as much cash and

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Speaker 3: committing as many long term contracts to players on the

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Speaker 3: open market as they did last year. It's going to

677
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Speaker 3: be more of a let's draft, well, let's try to

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Speaker 3: fill in the roster where it makes sense to do

679
00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:08,360
Speaker 3: it type of year. But yeah, I think they're going

680
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Speaker 3: to be in a spot where they'll have enough room

681
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Speaker 3: to play with and then everybody, you know, people will

682
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Speaker 3: kind of say, hey, what's the long term of this

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Speaker 3: look like? And I mean they're going to have some

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00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:20,120
Speaker 3: things to figure out It will depend on what the

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Speaker 3: roster looks like in free agency, but the fact that

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Speaker 3: they're still not probably going to be paying a quarterback

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Speaker 3: big money, I think they'll be in a decent position,

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Speaker 3: especially if they can fill out a decent chunk of

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Speaker 3: this roster with players on rookie contracts. It means you

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Speaker 3: have to draft, well, it means you have to probably

691
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Speaker 3: add some some players maybe as undrafted free agents too.

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Speaker 3: But this roster needs a refresh with young, controllable players,

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Speaker 3: and I think that's going to be a big focus

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Speaker 3: of this offseason.

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Speaker 2: Do these salary cap moves Are these under the classification

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Speaker 2: of you're just putting off the pain that eventually the

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Speaker 2: ticket is going to come do even restructuring this way

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Speaker 2: or what? Well, you know this particular step. I know

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Speaker 2: it's hardly unprecedented, But does it simply put off the

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Speaker 2: pain that you're going to eventually have to feel or

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Speaker 2: is it more sensible than that?

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Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I mean in the kind of general sense

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Speaker 3: of it, yes, you are putting off the pain. I mean,

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Speaker 3: every dollar does hit the cap eventually and you're going

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Speaker 3: to have to pay out the money that you are deferring.

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Speaker 3: But the trick to this whole thing at this particular moment,

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Speaker 3: is the cap keeps going up because TV deals are

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00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:34,640
Speaker 3: so lucrative, and I think I saw a report today

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00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:39,799
Speaker 3: that there's talk of reopening the TV deals even this year.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I think they signed ten year TV deals

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Speaker 3: in the league. I think wants to say, there's enough bidders,

712
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:47,640
Speaker 3: there's enough people that have money, let's reopen this and

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Speaker 3: try to get even more. So if those things keep

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00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:53,439
Speaker 3: going up, the principle of it is, yes, every dollar

715
00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:54,879
Speaker 3: hits the cap and you're going to have to pay

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00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:58,680
Speaker 3: the piper eventually. And the cash is the other piece

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00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:01,279
Speaker 3: of it, where you're selling cash or signing bonuses and

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00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:02,880
Speaker 3: that sort of thing, and the Wilfs have never been

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Speaker 3: shy about doing that, but you know, everybody is. This

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Speaker 3: is not a charity. Everybody's running a business here too,

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Speaker 3: so you consider that. But from the cap perspective, I

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Speaker 3: do think the TV contracts being what they are and

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Speaker 3: looking like they're going to continue to go up, I

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Speaker 3: think that would be the NFL's hope in reopening the

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Speaker 3: negotiations at some point here relatively soon. That does mean

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Speaker 3: that the cap continues to rise, which means if you're

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Speaker 3: deferring money into the future. You're effectively doing it at

728
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:34,440
Speaker 3: a negative interest rates. It's worth less against the cap

729
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:36,719
Speaker 3: in the future than it is now because the cap

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Speaker 3: keeps going up. So in principle it's got some risk,

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Speaker 3: but with the dynamics of the NFL the way they

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Speaker 3: are right now, it probably doesn't have all that much. So,

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Speaker 3: you know, I don't think it's the world they want

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Speaker 3: to live in all the time, but at this particular moment,

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Speaker 3: I think when you look at the structure of the cap,

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Speaker 3: where it's gone, where it will probably continue to go,

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Speaker 3: you can do it with a relatively minimal level risk.

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Speaker 2: I think, thank you very much for the time as always.

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Speaker 2: Well it's busy time obviously, so we'll be in touch

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Speaker 2: next week.

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Speaker 3: Thank you all right, sounds good, Thanks Den.

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Speaker 2: Ben Gesling covers the Purple and the NFL for the

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Speaker 2: start of unit and joins us each and every Friday

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00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:17,800
Speaker 2: now pretty much year round, because this has become clearly

745
00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:21,520
Speaker 2: a year round beat, maybe this year even more crucially

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Speaker 2: than ever. Lavelle in about thirty five minutes or so,

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Speaker 2: when we come back, how about some bonus russo to

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Speaker 2: comment on what the vite the wild I should say

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Speaker 2: did and did not accomplish at the trade deadline Russo

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Speaker 2: Radio Dateline, Vegas.

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Speaker 3: He is next