1 00:00:00,400 --> 00:00:06,560 Speaker 1: Well, I asked for questions for our next guest, Chris Carter, 2 00:00:06,640 --> 00:00:08,920 Speaker 1: and they're pouring in, so we'll try to include some 3 00:00:08,960 --> 00:00:11,959 Speaker 1: of those in our conversation with the Hall of Fame 4 00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:14,200 Speaker 1: wide receiver Chris Carter kind enough to join us via 5 00:00:14,240 --> 00:00:17,959 Speaker 1: the Connectico Water Systems hotline. Welcome back, sir, Are you 6 00:00:18,000 --> 00:00:20,119 Speaker 1: still in town? I didn't realize you were at the 7 00:00:20,360 --> 00:00:23,280 Speaker 1: game yesterday until my producer guards he mentioned that are 8 00:00:23,320 --> 00:00:25,160 Speaker 1: you or have you flown the coup already? 9 00:00:26,200 --> 00:00:27,440 Speaker 2: I've already flown the coup. 10 00:00:27,520 --> 00:00:31,160 Speaker 1: Good for you. Here's the first question. Where is home 11 00:00:31,240 --> 00:00:33,520 Speaker 1: these days for Chris Carter? And what is he doing? 12 00:00:35,440 --> 00:00:40,680 Speaker 2: It's still in boker Ratone, Florida, Okay, And I am 13 00:00:41,680 --> 00:00:49,040 Speaker 2: the program manager and player development leader for Florida, Florida 14 00:00:49,040 --> 00:00:52,440 Speaker 2: Atlantic University, Florida. 15 00:00:53,320 --> 00:00:55,760 Speaker 3: Nice, I missed that completely. 16 00:00:56,880 --> 00:00:59,480 Speaker 2: How I've been doing that the last two and a 17 00:00:59,520 --> 00:00:59,960 Speaker 2: half year. 18 00:01:00,200 --> 00:01:03,160 Speaker 3: Well, that shows me for me to not pay attention. 19 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:05,920 Speaker 1: Do you like doing that? What got you to it? 20 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:08,000 Speaker 1: And how have you found that particular role? 21 00:01:10,280 --> 00:01:13,520 Speaker 2: Well, we have the youngest coach and he took over 22 00:01:13,640 --> 00:01:17,600 Speaker 2: last year and knewing that from a business perspective, from 23 00:01:17,600 --> 00:01:21,039 Speaker 2: an nil's perspective. I knew a few people here in 24 00:01:21,120 --> 00:01:24,720 Speaker 2: town and relationships I had with the players and a 25 00:01:24,760 --> 00:01:26,760 Speaker 2: couple of coaches. You know, he decided to keep me 26 00:01:26,800 --> 00:01:30,039 Speaker 2: on staff to build help them grow the program. So 27 00:01:30,600 --> 00:01:33,000 Speaker 2: you know, you're dealing with young people and young people 28 00:01:33,080 --> 00:01:36,039 Speaker 2: trying to reach their potential. And you know, the thing 29 00:01:36,040 --> 00:01:37,880 Speaker 2: that I try to tell them, it's really not about 30 00:01:37,920 --> 00:01:40,080 Speaker 2: my career and what I accomplished is a player. It's 31 00:01:40,120 --> 00:01:43,920 Speaker 2: really about the connective points that as a former athlete, 32 00:01:44,360 --> 00:01:47,720 Speaker 2: as a recruited athlete, as an athlete that also was 33 00:01:47,760 --> 00:01:51,400 Speaker 2: the father of recruited athletes, all those different as a 34 00:01:51,480 --> 00:01:54,600 Speaker 2: high school coach, all those connection points of how you 35 00:01:54,680 --> 00:01:57,520 Speaker 2: might build to be successful. So you should build utilize 36 00:01:57,520 --> 00:02:01,520 Speaker 2: one of my experiences or something, yes advantage because we 37 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:03,520 Speaker 2: all you were in the same pursuit of what I 38 00:02:03,680 --> 00:02:08,200 Speaker 2: was in. So that's doing that on a daily basis 39 00:02:08,280 --> 00:02:12,040 Speaker 2: very very rewarding to build help direct young people's you know, 40 00:02:12,160 --> 00:02:12,880 Speaker 2: path in life. 41 00:02:12,960 --> 00:02:14,320 Speaker 3: That sounds really good. 42 00:02:16,160 --> 00:02:19,160 Speaker 1: Somebody also wanted to know what are most modern DAID 43 00:02:19,160 --> 00:02:23,519 Speaker 1: wide receivers missing that Chris's era did or had. I mean, 44 00:02:23,960 --> 00:02:26,119 Speaker 1: you may not even accept the premise. I don't know 45 00:02:26,240 --> 00:02:31,240 Speaker 1: he I think he seems to be suggesting that some 46 00:02:31,280 --> 00:02:35,360 Speaker 1: of the old style receivers, like yourselves, offered something that 47 00:02:35,400 --> 00:02:36,480 Speaker 1: maybe some of these don't. 48 00:02:36,520 --> 00:02:38,240 Speaker 3: Do you even agree with that premise. 49 00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:41,880 Speaker 2: Well, I think that it's really about what does the 50 00:02:41,960 --> 00:02:46,960 Speaker 2: job require. Like we always go through ways to try 51 00:02:47,040 --> 00:02:50,639 Speaker 2: to take shine off of people that are very, very successful, 52 00:02:50,720 --> 00:02:54,920 Speaker 2: and sometimes it's based on time, our technology or rule changes, 53 00:02:55,480 --> 00:02:57,280 Speaker 2: and you know, I really not try to be that way. 54 00:02:57,320 --> 00:02:59,680 Speaker 2: I really try to appreciate the game. The game has 55 00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:02,200 Speaker 2: to make changes. The game changed before I got to it, 56 00:03:02,600 --> 00:03:05,200 Speaker 2: the game has changed during the era that I played in, 57 00:03:05,280 --> 00:03:08,200 Speaker 2: a couple eras I've played in, and it's changed since then. 58 00:03:08,320 --> 00:03:10,800 Speaker 2: So I think the wide receiver position they play at 59 00:03:10,919 --> 00:03:13,880 Speaker 2: a very, very at a high level. I believe they 60 00:03:13,919 --> 00:03:17,400 Speaker 2: have tremendous skill. You know, they have to deal with 61 00:03:17,520 --> 00:03:20,320 Speaker 2: less things, but that doesn't that doesn't make less of 62 00:03:20,360 --> 00:03:22,639 Speaker 2: a job than what they're doing. So I'm very, very 63 00:03:22,680 --> 00:03:25,680 Speaker 2: proud of the types of receivers we have, all the 64 00:03:25,720 --> 00:03:29,120 Speaker 2: different shapes, sizes, and how they're able to get the 65 00:03:29,200 --> 00:03:32,080 Speaker 2: job done. But the job is still number one is 66 00:03:32,120 --> 00:03:34,520 Speaker 2: to make big plays and catch the football on a 67 00:03:34,600 --> 00:03:35,680 Speaker 2: consistent basis. 68 00:03:35,760 --> 00:03:41,200 Speaker 1: All right, You study wide receivers closely, you study quarterbacks closely. 69 00:03:41,240 --> 00:03:45,920 Speaker 1: You are at the Viking Stadium yesterday for the loss 70 00:03:46,520 --> 00:03:55,360 Speaker 1: to the Chicago Bears, when you watched JJ play, McCarthy 71 00:03:55,480 --> 00:03:58,280 Speaker 1: play yesterday, and when you have watched him beyond just 72 00:03:58,360 --> 00:04:03,720 Speaker 1: that one game, what do you see? 73 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:08,560 Speaker 2: Well, I see a young quarterback. I see a young 74 00:04:08,640 --> 00:04:14,840 Speaker 2: quarterback who does have some athleticism, but in yesterday's game, 75 00:04:15,640 --> 00:04:18,520 Speaker 2: and based on I mean, we don't have a backup 76 00:04:18,600 --> 00:04:22,760 Speaker 2: quarterback like I mean, he can't afford to get hurt again. 77 00:04:23,080 --> 00:04:27,200 Speaker 2: So you know, he's a quarterback that has some athleticism, 78 00:04:27,240 --> 00:04:30,400 Speaker 2: but yesterday, you know, none of that was utilized. I 79 00:04:30,480 --> 00:04:34,720 Speaker 2: see a guy that the game sometimes is faster than him. 80 00:04:35,279 --> 00:04:38,960 Speaker 2: I see a guy that sometimes he shortens his drops 81 00:04:39,680 --> 00:04:44,320 Speaker 2: and doesn't get deep enough and patient enough that then 82 00:04:44,360 --> 00:04:46,719 Speaker 2: he's trying to catch up and throw the football, and 83 00:04:47,560 --> 00:04:50,400 Speaker 2: typically it makes the ball sell. Sometimes his elbow is 84 00:04:50,440 --> 00:04:54,360 Speaker 2: too low and the fundamentals in the pocket, like all 85 00:04:54,440 --> 00:04:59,839 Speaker 2: those things are real, and you know, I do enjoy 86 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:03,880 Speaker 2: I can quarterback play, But right now he looks like 87 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:09,719 Speaker 2: almost any other first rounder that played five games, started 88 00:05:09,800 --> 00:05:12,599 Speaker 2: five games. It's just unfortunate the biking did this in 89 00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:15,440 Speaker 2: the second year. Yeah, now on the other side of 90 00:05:15,480 --> 00:05:18,800 Speaker 2: the field had basically twenty more starts than him, and 91 00:05:18,880 --> 00:05:21,680 Speaker 2: you could definitely tell the difference in the twenty starts 92 00:05:21,720 --> 00:05:22,599 Speaker 2: between the two of them. 93 00:05:22,600 --> 00:05:26,799 Speaker 1: You know what's interesting, somebody had texted me earlier about 94 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:32,520 Speaker 1: what their recollection was of Dante Culpeper's first year as 95 00:05:32,560 --> 00:05:36,320 Speaker 1: a starter, and you can speak to it, obviously a 96 00:05:36,400 --> 00:05:39,960 Speaker 1: lot more eloquently than I can. I'm looking at a 97 00:05:40,320 --> 00:05:45,360 Speaker 1: quarterback rating of ninety eight. That's the old fashioned quarterback rating. 98 00:05:45,520 --> 00:05:48,320 Speaker 1: They didn't do the qbrs back then, I don't think. 99 00:05:49,040 --> 00:05:54,560 Speaker 1: And my recollection, again you'll remember more closely than me, 100 00:05:54,960 --> 00:05:57,360 Speaker 1: is that you know, there were certainly some ups and downs, 101 00:05:57,880 --> 00:06:00,880 Speaker 1: but I don't think I ever felt like, oh my god, 102 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:03,880 Speaker 1: what's going on out there to the degree I think 103 00:06:04,040 --> 00:06:08,559 Speaker 1: JJ is worrying people, even if, as you say, he's 104 00:06:08,839 --> 00:06:11,000 Speaker 1: not been out there that much. I mean, can you 105 00:06:11,080 --> 00:06:16,520 Speaker 1: draw any comparisons there? Why it felt like Dante, you know, 106 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:20,240 Speaker 1: seemed a lot more ready, more quickly to sort of 107 00:06:20,279 --> 00:06:22,760 Speaker 1: assume the things we associate with the position. 108 00:06:25,839 --> 00:06:30,920 Speaker 2: Well, first of all, I think it's a brilliant comparison 109 00:06:31,200 --> 00:06:34,680 Speaker 2: for the few people are handful of people that might 110 00:06:34,760 --> 00:06:37,880 Speaker 2: be able to understand it, and we're there like we 111 00:06:37,880 --> 00:06:42,760 Speaker 2: were Dante sat his first year. Yep, we were very, 112 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:46,800 Speaker 2: very explosive, just like basically coming off inherent in last 113 00:06:46,880 --> 00:06:50,480 Speaker 2: year's fourteen and three teens yep, like we're going to 114 00:06:50,560 --> 00:06:54,080 Speaker 2: stay the same for the most part and plugging the quarterback. 115 00:06:55,880 --> 00:07:00,280 Speaker 2: The thing about Dante that was easy to see whate 116 00:07:00,440 --> 00:07:02,880 Speaker 2: was a superstar, gonna be a superstar in the league, 117 00:07:04,160 --> 00:07:07,040 Speaker 2: but he had that type of I mean, his running 118 00:07:07,120 --> 00:07:11,160 Speaker 2: ability was fearless, and I mean he was a problem 119 00:07:11,200 --> 00:07:18,080 Speaker 2: if he ran. Dante's anticipation throwing the football was superior 120 00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:22,280 Speaker 2: to what we saw yesterday. Dante's ability to throw the 121 00:07:22,320 --> 00:07:30,640 Speaker 2: ball with different velocities and speeds was dethomly superior. And 122 00:07:30,760 --> 00:07:32,760 Speaker 2: by the way, in that first year, there was two 123 00:07:32,800 --> 00:07:35,880 Speaker 2: guys by the name of Multing Party, and there was 124 00:07:35,920 --> 00:07:38,200 Speaker 2: no game that we dropped five balls like I saw 125 00:07:38,240 --> 00:07:43,720 Speaker 2: them dudes drop yesterday, indoors, perfect conditions, one hundred and 126 00:07:43,760 --> 00:07:46,920 Speaker 2: fifty yards passing like That's where I would stop the 127 00:07:46,960 --> 00:07:55,080 Speaker 2: comparisons to Dante Culpepper. I think Dante was an MVP candidate, 128 00:07:55,160 --> 00:07:55,760 Speaker 2: right he was. 129 00:07:55,920 --> 00:07:59,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, he had one other year that was better, obviously, 130 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:02,679 Speaker 1: but when you factor in yell for when you factor 131 00:08:02,720 --> 00:08:09,520 Speaker 1: in the lack of experience as a pro quarterback, it 132 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:11,680 Speaker 1: was a very impressive start. 133 00:08:11,720 --> 00:08:11,920 Speaker 2: Man. 134 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:14,280 Speaker 1: It was almost from the from the very beginning. And 135 00:08:14,320 --> 00:08:16,040 Speaker 1: there were ups and downs, but not like this. And 136 00:08:16,080 --> 00:08:18,600 Speaker 1: so you know, I got to ask you. 137 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:21,200 Speaker 2: This was a thrower in college? Man? 138 00:08:21,280 --> 00:08:21,600 Speaker 4: He was. 139 00:08:21,640 --> 00:08:23,880 Speaker 3: That's true. That's a good great every. 140 00:08:23,680 --> 00:08:26,640 Speaker 2: Team that Dante Culpeper got off from his high school team, 141 00:08:26,880 --> 00:08:30,080 Speaker 2: I met his coaches, I met his teammate to Central Florida, 142 00:08:30,400 --> 00:08:33,600 Speaker 2: Dante Culpeper was it. He was the show. He was 143 00:08:33,640 --> 00:08:37,040 Speaker 2: the system, and he was the reason why they were winning. 144 00:08:37,080 --> 00:08:38,959 Speaker 2: He wasn't riding on the bus just to get from 145 00:08:38,960 --> 00:08:39,840 Speaker 2: point A to point B. 146 00:08:40,840 --> 00:08:45,120 Speaker 1: No, that's that's fair. It's all hindsight now. So it's 147 00:08:45,160 --> 00:08:48,600 Speaker 1: easy I grant that point. But to me, the dilemma, 148 00:08:49,160 --> 00:08:51,800 Speaker 1: the challenge for the Vikings coming off fourteen and three 149 00:08:52,120 --> 00:08:55,480 Speaker 1: was obvious. It was, all right, what do we want 150 00:08:55,480 --> 00:08:57,720 Speaker 1: to be next year? If we're going to start the 151 00:08:57,800 --> 00:09:04,240 Speaker 1: clock on the McCarthy era, can we possibly still build 152 00:09:04,280 --> 00:09:07,560 Speaker 1: on what we did last season and be a at 153 00:09:07,600 --> 00:09:10,079 Speaker 1: the very least a playoff contender. Because they made a 154 00:09:10,120 --> 00:09:13,199 Speaker 1: lot of offseason moves. As you know, that indicated, well, 155 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:16,360 Speaker 1: we're not this isn't you know, we're not wasting this 156 00:09:16,440 --> 00:09:21,360 Speaker 1: season at all. And yet, as you know this is 157 00:09:21,400 --> 00:09:24,440 Speaker 1: certainly what we've seen from McCarthy right now, is he's 158 00:09:24,520 --> 00:09:27,200 Speaker 1: gonna need to play a lot and probably make a 159 00:09:27,200 --> 00:09:29,840 Speaker 1: lot of mistakes, and it's hard to win those games. 160 00:09:30,440 --> 00:09:33,280 Speaker 1: So if you look at the talent on the team 161 00:09:33,320 --> 00:09:36,319 Speaker 1: and look at what they came off of, might they 162 00:09:36,360 --> 00:09:39,560 Speaker 1: have been better served saying, you know, we know the 163 00:09:39,600 --> 00:09:42,520 Speaker 1: clock's running, but JJ, we might need you to sit 164 00:09:42,559 --> 00:09:44,920 Speaker 1: another year, or we're gonna have you know, we're gonna 165 00:09:44,920 --> 00:09:47,000 Speaker 1: open it up a little bit. And let's say, if 166 00:09:47,040 --> 00:09:48,880 Speaker 1: we don't want to pay Darnold because it was gonna pay, 167 00:09:48,920 --> 00:09:50,880 Speaker 1: they're gonna have to either franchise him or pay him 168 00:09:50,880 --> 00:09:53,920 Speaker 1: a lot of money. We're gonna bring Daniel Jones back, 169 00:09:54,160 --> 00:09:57,360 Speaker 1: and we're gonna make it an open competition between Daniel 170 00:09:57,400 --> 00:10:01,600 Speaker 1: Jones and JJ or the a Aaron Rodgers, who, as 171 00:10:01,640 --> 00:10:04,920 Speaker 1: you know, definitely wanted to come here. There's no question 172 00:10:05,360 --> 00:10:08,160 Speaker 1: he wanted to come here. Would the team and even 173 00:10:08,240 --> 00:10:11,240 Speaker 1: JJ have been better served if they put this thing 174 00:10:11,280 --> 00:10:13,160 Speaker 1: off a week to see, Well, let's see if we 175 00:10:13,240 --> 00:10:15,760 Speaker 1: still we got a lot of good players on this team. 176 00:10:16,240 --> 00:10:18,559 Speaker 1: Let's see if we can take another step after fourteen 177 00:10:18,559 --> 00:10:20,599 Speaker 1: to three next year and actually maybe even want a 178 00:10:20,600 --> 00:10:22,640 Speaker 1: playoff game or make a little bit of a run. 179 00:10:22,640 --> 00:10:26,439 Speaker 2: What do you think, No, the kid is not better 180 00:10:26,480 --> 00:10:30,880 Speaker 2: off served sitting any more time. All right, you're a 181 00:10:30,880 --> 00:10:34,200 Speaker 2: first round draft pick, you're a fourth quarterback taken early 182 00:10:34,240 --> 00:10:36,920 Speaker 2: in the first round. At some point you have to build, 183 00:10:36,960 --> 00:10:39,439 Speaker 2: prove your work, all right, and you have to build, 184 00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:43,120 Speaker 2: prove their decisions to be right or to be wrong. 185 00:10:43,240 --> 00:10:45,600 Speaker 2: You can't just keep pushing it off to the future. 186 00:10:46,160 --> 00:10:48,920 Speaker 2: That's not the way to do business. And they couldn't 187 00:10:48,960 --> 00:10:52,640 Speaker 2: fortify their offensive defensive line, and Bill pay them the 188 00:10:52,720 --> 00:10:54,840 Speaker 2: money if they decided to bring back one of those 189 00:10:54,840 --> 00:10:59,040 Speaker 2: other quarterbacks. And no, you can't bring Aaron Rodgers into 190 00:10:59,080 --> 00:11:01,720 Speaker 2: the Vikings. Did the Brett Faares thing? It almost God 191 00:11:01,840 --> 00:11:06,319 Speaker 2: was there. No, Brett was playing at a higher level. 192 00:11:09,400 --> 00:11:09,840 Speaker 5: I think. 193 00:11:11,440 --> 00:11:15,040 Speaker 2: We had Adrian Peterson. Yeah, so the combination to be 194 00:11:15,040 --> 00:11:17,720 Speaker 2: able to run the ball in the playoffs with Brett, 195 00:11:18,840 --> 00:11:20,920 Speaker 2: I mean that offensive line we had last year. They 196 00:11:20,960 --> 00:11:22,880 Speaker 2: couldn't protect Sam. They wouldn't have been on the tech 197 00:11:22,920 --> 00:11:26,360 Speaker 2: to protect a ron. So it's not that I don't 198 00:11:26,440 --> 00:11:28,559 Speaker 2: like him as a quarterback. I think from a business 199 00:11:28,600 --> 00:11:31,280 Speaker 2: perspective and the way the team is built, they had 200 00:11:31,320 --> 00:11:33,199 Speaker 2: some players that they wanted to go out and give 201 00:11:33,240 --> 00:11:35,480 Speaker 2: a little money too, because they had been loyal to 202 00:11:35,520 --> 00:11:38,040 Speaker 2: them and they had really developed. They were bringing in 203 00:11:38,080 --> 00:11:40,080 Speaker 2: a little bit of new blood. But the guys on 204 00:11:40,120 --> 00:11:43,920 Speaker 2: the offense and defensive line, and unfortunately the injury was 205 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:47,360 Speaker 2: Ryan Kelly because that's really set the offense back, YEP, 206 00:11:47,480 --> 00:11:51,320 Speaker 2: the center because he's a really a blue chip player 207 00:11:51,800 --> 00:11:56,679 Speaker 2: and he comes with a mentality Alabama Indian halpliss Man. 208 00:11:56,720 --> 00:11:59,280 Speaker 2: They ran the ball effectively and protected the quarterback for 209 00:11:59,320 --> 00:12:01,440 Speaker 2: a long long time. A lot of people didn't give 210 00:12:01,480 --> 00:12:03,280 Speaker 2: that offensive line a lot of credit, but he is 211 00:12:03,320 --> 00:12:06,680 Speaker 2: a really good player who's been the concussion protocol over 212 00:12:06,760 --> 00:12:09,720 Speaker 2: a month, and you know that's not a good thing. 213 00:12:09,800 --> 00:12:12,760 Speaker 2: So I think that JJ was not best served by 214 00:12:12,760 --> 00:12:16,040 Speaker 2: that injury and doing the things the way they did. 215 00:12:16,240 --> 00:12:19,200 Speaker 2: But you can't control getting injured. And when he got 216 00:12:19,240 --> 00:12:22,679 Speaker 2: injured earlier in the year, his ankle. Anytime you have 217 00:12:22,720 --> 00:12:25,680 Speaker 2: a lower extremity to a guy who's athletic, especially to 218 00:12:25,720 --> 00:12:27,240 Speaker 2: a guy who's holding on to the ball and don't 219 00:12:27,240 --> 00:12:29,600 Speaker 2: want to let it go, like that removes some of 220 00:12:29,640 --> 00:12:32,920 Speaker 2: his athletics. Am So now, yeah, yeah, he is going 221 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:37,000 Speaker 2: to struggle based on what I saw, especially the wide 222 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:40,079 Speaker 2: open guys. Like if you can't get guys wide open, 223 00:12:40,800 --> 00:12:44,719 Speaker 2: this game gets real, real tough. It's already tough when 224 00:12:44,720 --> 00:12:47,320 Speaker 2: you have a lot of talent. But I do believe 225 00:12:47,559 --> 00:12:50,840 Speaker 2: in KO. I do believe in what they do. What 226 00:12:50,880 --> 00:12:53,800 Speaker 2: they're doing from a player development standpoint of players they 227 00:12:53,840 --> 00:12:56,839 Speaker 2: traded for the players they've drafted, they have done a 228 00:12:56,920 --> 00:12:59,559 Speaker 2: good job. Like yes, we might have to take a 229 00:12:59,559 --> 00:13:02,280 Speaker 2: little seat, you know to the fourteen and three season, 230 00:13:02,480 --> 00:13:05,800 Speaker 2: so the team overall financially could be structured to build 231 00:13:05,840 --> 00:13:08,000 Speaker 2: go on a run. But I do believe in the 232 00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:10,800 Speaker 2: way they develop players. And you can't develop a quarterback 233 00:13:10,840 --> 00:13:13,880 Speaker 2: on the bench. Do you don't draft a guy to 234 00:13:14,040 --> 00:13:16,439 Speaker 2: keep letting him sit. He needs to build get out there. 235 00:13:16,960 --> 00:13:20,640 Speaker 2: But also tight end you're paying him a lot of money, right, 236 00:13:20,880 --> 00:13:22,520 Speaker 2: you got to build it. You got to build help 237 00:13:22,600 --> 00:13:26,080 Speaker 2: that out. Do you use JJ? They paying him, They 238 00:13:26,160 --> 00:13:28,880 Speaker 2: paying JJ a lot of money. Sometimes you got to 239 00:13:28,920 --> 00:13:32,680 Speaker 2: make those unbelievable catches because it creates momentum in juice 240 00:13:33,320 --> 00:13:36,679 Speaker 2: for the rest of the players. So everyone's got to 241 00:13:36,679 --> 00:13:39,000 Speaker 2: take it on themselves just to do their job. And 242 00:13:39,040 --> 00:13:42,000 Speaker 2: that's what I saw yesterday, Guys trying too hard. As 243 00:13:42,040 --> 00:13:44,400 Speaker 2: soon as you start pointing to the quarterback. Guess what, 244 00:13:44,440 --> 00:13:46,240 Speaker 2: you end up dropping the pass. You end up making 245 00:13:46,240 --> 00:13:48,559 Speaker 2: a mistake. And that's what I saw yesterday's game. 246 00:13:48,800 --> 00:13:54,000 Speaker 1: Well do you sense I mean, you were a pretty 247 00:13:54,040 --> 00:13:57,840 Speaker 1: demonstrative player, and you were a player who had high 248 00:13:58,480 --> 00:14:01,640 Speaker 1: standards and high demands, not just for yourself but for 249 00:14:01,679 --> 00:14:06,640 Speaker 1: your teammates, including the quarterback position. So do you sense 250 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:10,400 Speaker 1: frustration it all is setting in for Justin. 251 00:14:12,960 --> 00:14:18,439 Speaker 2: Well, Justin's not AJ Brown, and I talked to him 252 00:14:18,520 --> 00:14:21,640 Speaker 2: yesterday before the game. He has a very very good 253 00:14:21,680 --> 00:14:26,360 Speaker 2: handle on the team, on the organization what he has 254 00:14:26,400 --> 00:14:33,040 Speaker 2: got to do. But as a wide receiver, we can't 255 00:14:33,080 --> 00:14:36,880 Speaker 2: do our jobs without a lot of help, exactly, And 256 00:14:36,920 --> 00:14:39,760 Speaker 2: when the quarterback is struggling, regardless of what they say 257 00:14:39,760 --> 00:14:45,000 Speaker 2: in the press conference, regardless, all right, now, he's going 258 00:14:45,080 --> 00:14:46,960 Speaker 2: to take the high road because he is the leader 259 00:14:46,960 --> 00:14:50,160 Speaker 2: of that team and he's not going to show any 260 00:14:50,200 --> 00:14:53,080 Speaker 2: negativity to the quarterback because he's already committing himself to 261 00:14:53,120 --> 00:14:55,280 Speaker 2: go take care of the kid, help the kid in 262 00:14:55,320 --> 00:14:59,080 Speaker 2: his journey. But when you can't do your job, it 263 00:14:59,160 --> 00:15:03,160 Speaker 2: creates frustrating. Like he's a dominant player. When you come 264 00:15:03,200 --> 00:15:06,440 Speaker 2: into the Bears Vikings game, the best receiver on the 265 00:15:06,520 --> 00:15:09,120 Speaker 2: Vikings for the last four years, thinks that they can 266 00:15:09,120 --> 00:15:11,560 Speaker 2: get one hundred and fifty yards And if I'm playing 267 00:15:11,560 --> 00:15:14,920 Speaker 2: the game indoors, there's no win. It was seventy mile pour, 268 00:15:15,040 --> 00:15:18,640 Speaker 2: the sun was shining, Like JJ thinks he can get 269 00:15:18,640 --> 00:15:21,240 Speaker 2: one fifty. They end up with one fifty as a team. 270 00:15:21,560 --> 00:15:23,200 Speaker 2: How could he be happy when you go home? How 271 00:15:23,240 --> 00:15:27,240 Speaker 2: could he as good as he is? How could he so? 272 00:15:28,040 --> 00:15:31,160 Speaker 2: You know, like Kao said in the press conference, you know, yeah, 273 00:15:31,200 --> 00:15:34,880 Speaker 2: I like his energy. I like that he's disappointed because 274 00:15:34,960 --> 00:15:39,400 Speaker 2: there are great expectations on the passing game, because the talent, 275 00:15:40,040 --> 00:15:43,440 Speaker 2: and because of the standards that have been set through 276 00:15:43,440 --> 00:15:45,200 Speaker 2: there through the last three decades. 277 00:15:45,840 --> 00:15:48,200 Speaker 1: Well, let me ask a crew were chatting with Chris Carter. 278 00:15:49,600 --> 00:15:52,160 Speaker 1: Is it your belief, on the basis of what you 279 00:15:52,280 --> 00:15:57,400 Speaker 1: know about McCarthy that it is just a matter of 280 00:15:57,720 --> 00:16:00,960 Speaker 1: you know, reps and time. He didn't he wasn't in 281 00:16:01,040 --> 00:16:04,720 Speaker 1: a high volume passing offense. Or do you come out 282 00:16:04,760 --> 00:16:08,920 Speaker 1: of a game like yesterday a little concern that this 283 00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:12,200 Speaker 1: goes beyond what we usually associate even with young quarterbacks. 284 00:16:12,200 --> 00:16:14,360 Speaker 1: I mean, I mean Chris, he was missing people. You know, 285 00:16:14,400 --> 00:16:17,880 Speaker 1: the play to the right sideline to Justin that was 286 00:16:18,040 --> 00:16:20,840 Speaker 1: I don't know, thirty feet over his head. And is 287 00:16:20,880 --> 00:16:24,520 Speaker 1: there any is there any concern that there's more going 288 00:16:24,560 --> 00:16:28,640 Speaker 1: on here that might even indicate that there's something more significant, 289 00:16:28,640 --> 00:16:31,520 Speaker 1: whether it's mental, physical, fundamental, whatever it is. 290 00:16:31,680 --> 00:16:32,720 Speaker 3: Does it give you pause? 291 00:16:35,200 --> 00:16:40,560 Speaker 2: Of course, because at this point, even on your fifth start, 292 00:16:40,600 --> 00:16:44,880 Speaker 2: there are some simple things that you should be able 293 00:16:44,920 --> 00:16:50,000 Speaker 2: to do and not struggle. And yesterday, I mean there's 294 00:16:50,320 --> 00:16:55,160 Speaker 2: two biggest statements of evidence. Or yesterday Ko was trying 295 00:16:55,160 --> 00:16:58,080 Speaker 2: to give him some easy things to do, Yeah, and 296 00:16:58,120 --> 00:17:02,400 Speaker 2: he couldn't even do those. And now it's not only JJ. 297 00:17:02,920 --> 00:17:07,200 Speaker 2: I compare JJ to every other quarterback, every other journeyman 298 00:17:07,680 --> 00:17:11,320 Speaker 2: that's been in Koc's system, because I know their talent. 299 00:17:11,440 --> 00:17:13,600 Speaker 2: They got good running backs, they got good rod receivers, 300 00:17:13,600 --> 00:17:16,000 Speaker 2: which they've always had. They got a better offensive line. 301 00:17:16,760 --> 00:17:19,640 Speaker 2: So for the talent of this team, this team has underperformed. 302 00:17:19,640 --> 00:17:24,040 Speaker 2: But the quarterbacks all of them have performed at a 303 00:17:24,119 --> 00:17:29,200 Speaker 2: higher rate completion wise than JJ, all of them, Josh, Dallas, 304 00:17:29,240 --> 00:17:32,800 Speaker 2: all of them. So for me, it's not necessarily a 305 00:17:32,880 --> 00:17:35,879 Speaker 2: JJ thing. It is man. I believe in KOC. I 306 00:17:35,920 --> 00:17:39,040 Speaker 2: believe in the system. I believe they develop players. But 307 00:17:39,119 --> 00:17:42,800 Speaker 2: when I compare apples to apples, the one that I 308 00:17:42,840 --> 00:17:45,440 Speaker 2: invested the first round pick in because we at one 309 00:17:45,440 --> 00:17:48,439 Speaker 2: point we got to developed a franchise quarterback, just like 310 00:17:48,560 --> 00:17:51,280 Speaker 2: Chicago had to, just like Green Bay had to. Like 311 00:17:51,880 --> 00:17:55,399 Speaker 2: at some point, we have to do that. And the 312 00:17:55,480 --> 00:17:58,280 Speaker 2: investment in JJ says he's the guy. So yes, I'm 313 00:17:58,280 --> 00:18:01,000 Speaker 2: going to support the guy. But the way I'm going 314 00:18:01,040 --> 00:18:03,560 Speaker 2: to be gathering evidence, in fact, I'm not going to 315 00:18:03,640 --> 00:18:09,000 Speaker 2: be blind to the information because regardless of what anybody says, 316 00:18:09,320 --> 00:18:14,040 Speaker 2: friend or folk, this is a result oriented business. Can 317 00:18:14,080 --> 00:18:17,160 Speaker 2: I move the team? Can I get first down? Can 318 00:18:17,200 --> 00:18:19,400 Speaker 2: I have more than fifty five plays in a game? 319 00:18:19,680 --> 00:18:22,080 Speaker 2: Can I have more than one hundred and fifty yards? 320 00:18:22,160 --> 00:18:24,440 Speaker 2: Because if that is the case, we're not going to 321 00:18:24,480 --> 00:18:29,360 Speaker 2: be very very good offensively for you? Is it? 322 00:18:29,440 --> 00:18:31,680 Speaker 1: I mean to see age old question? After the game, 323 00:18:31,960 --> 00:18:35,320 Speaker 1: Kesey's talking a lot about fundamentals, stuff that you'd like 324 00:18:35,400 --> 00:18:38,359 Speaker 1: to think has already been settled in him. But that 325 00:18:38,560 --> 00:18:42,879 Speaker 1: may enter into this thing. Other people wonder whether, okay, 326 00:18:43,160 --> 00:18:46,440 Speaker 1: he is pressing. It becomes mental because obviously he does 327 00:18:46,480 --> 00:18:49,480 Speaker 1: not want to make some of those throws. So is 328 00:18:49,520 --> 00:18:54,320 Speaker 1: it in your mind do you see fundamental mistakes that 329 00:18:54,400 --> 00:18:59,000 Speaker 1: he's making terms of footwork, follow through that sort of thing, 330 00:18:59,080 --> 00:19:02,000 Speaker 1: the mechanics, or is it more the mental side of it. 331 00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:08,080 Speaker 2: Well, when you listen to Koc's press conference today and 332 00:19:08,160 --> 00:19:10,639 Speaker 2: he talks about it, and he talks about the speed 333 00:19:10,680 --> 00:19:13,119 Speaker 2: of the game, he talks about sometime climbing in the 334 00:19:13,160 --> 00:19:16,480 Speaker 2: pockets and sometimes him not standing tall with some of 335 00:19:16,520 --> 00:19:20,359 Speaker 2: the bat it passes you know. I don't I don't 336 00:19:20,520 --> 00:19:22,920 Speaker 2: like to get into too much commentary as far as 337 00:19:22,960 --> 00:19:26,720 Speaker 2: those fundamentals. I like to repeat what another experts secuse 338 00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:28,760 Speaker 2: people are, Oh he's a wide receiver. What he's he 339 00:19:28,800 --> 00:19:30,920 Speaker 2: doing about the quarterbacks? Well, hell of a lot more 340 00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:35,160 Speaker 2: than you. But I try to get the information from 341 00:19:35,160 --> 00:19:38,440 Speaker 2: the people, and that's what Koc talked about. He talked 342 00:19:38,480 --> 00:19:41,920 Speaker 2: about the fundamentals, He talked about only having five stars. 343 00:19:41,960 --> 00:19:47,240 Speaker 2: He mentioned that like that plays a role but the 344 00:19:47,280 --> 00:19:52,680 Speaker 2: good players, the game slows down. Yes, the game has 345 00:19:52,720 --> 00:19:57,639 Speaker 2: not slowed down for him, Like at some point the 346 00:19:57,680 --> 00:20:01,440 Speaker 2: game will slow down or at some point he won't 347 00:20:01,520 --> 00:20:03,600 Speaker 2: be that good. One of those two things is going 348 00:20:03,640 --> 00:20:07,439 Speaker 2: to happen. And you're not surprised. You've been watching this 349 00:20:07,480 --> 00:20:10,200 Speaker 2: by forty years. They're guys that have the most impeccable 350 00:20:10,280 --> 00:20:14,199 Speaker 2: resume in college football. They're the most blue blood, the 351 00:20:14,240 --> 00:20:17,720 Speaker 2: most uk man. He's not gonna miss. And you see 352 00:20:17,760 --> 00:20:21,520 Speaker 2: when they get in the game and they get conflict, 353 00:20:21,800 --> 00:20:24,880 Speaker 2: it's like something happened to them, like something took over 354 00:20:24,920 --> 00:20:27,520 Speaker 2: their body. They are not the same player that were 355 00:20:27,560 --> 00:20:29,920 Speaker 2: on And then there are other players that they weren't 356 00:20:29,960 --> 00:20:33,600 Speaker 2: great college players, they become dominant players in this league 357 00:20:33,640 --> 00:20:36,080 Speaker 2: because they can continue the groater game and the game 358 00:20:36,160 --> 00:20:39,879 Speaker 2: slows down. The jury is still out. 359 00:20:40,119 --> 00:20:42,639 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what I saw yesterday. That's fair. That's the 360 00:20:42,760 --> 00:20:43,680 Speaker 3: essence of it, for sure. 361 00:20:44,920 --> 00:20:47,840 Speaker 1: Carl is checking in from Cottage Grove, but he writes, 362 00:20:48,760 --> 00:20:51,960 Speaker 1: h CC I came across a highlight reel from the 363 00:20:52,080 --> 00:20:55,879 Speaker 1: eleven fourteen, nineteen ninety nine game against the Bears. Jeff 364 00:20:55,960 --> 00:20:59,359 Speaker 1: George was slinging it and I felt sorry for the Bears. 365 00:20:59,440 --> 00:20:59,720 Speaker 3: dB. 366 00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:04,399 Speaker 1: Do you remember that specific game or any untold Jeff 367 00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:06,080 Speaker 1: George stories from that season? 368 00:21:07,960 --> 00:21:10,840 Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah, Jeff, before we put the game plan in 369 00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:12,800 Speaker 2: for that game, just like I want the whole game plan. 370 00:21:12,880 --> 00:21:17,160 Speaker 2: Don't give me no abbreviated via backup, backup quarterback game plan. 371 00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:24,480 Speaker 2: He's out there drawing up signals. Hey, Chris, when you 372 00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:26,720 Speaker 2: get down the field. If he's on the inside shoulder, 373 00:21:26,840 --> 00:21:28,880 Speaker 2: I'm gonna rub the back of my head. That means fake. 374 00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:31,480 Speaker 2: That's the way we get our haircuts. I was like, yeah, Jeff, 375 00:21:31,520 --> 00:21:33,080 Speaker 2: we've been saying that for a long time. You didn't 376 00:21:33,119 --> 00:21:33,560 Speaker 2: invent that. 377 00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:35,920 Speaker 3: Oh that's pretty good. Oh my god. 378 00:21:36,440 --> 00:21:36,760 Speaker 2: You do. 379 00:21:36,800 --> 00:21:38,560 Speaker 3: Were you dominant in that game? I don't remember much 380 00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:40,639 Speaker 3: about that game. That's a long time ago, in nineteen 381 00:21:40,680 --> 00:21:41,840 Speaker 3: ninety nine November. 382 00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:44,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, we had we had to spread it around that game. 383 00:21:44,800 --> 00:21:47,560 Speaker 2: But you know, you know, I've had a lot of 384 00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:50,879 Speaker 2: good games against Chicago. I think the fans yesterday because 385 00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:53,760 Speaker 2: they played the recap of my overtime walk off for 386 00:21:53,880 --> 00:21:58,639 Speaker 2: that Chicago yes and so the Bears fans were doing. 387 00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:00,320 Speaker 2: I was like, thank you the man. I think you guys, 388 00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:01,720 Speaker 2: because I wouldn't be in the Hall of Fame without 389 00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:02,360 Speaker 2: the Bear fan. 390 00:22:03,359 --> 00:22:09,400 Speaker 6: Yeah, that's that's that's probably that's probably true. So your 391 00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:14,239 Speaker 6: your your recommendation is even if the season might be 392 00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:16,000 Speaker 6: slipping away here, you know they've got they got two 393 00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:18,120 Speaker 6: road games coming up as you I'm sure no, Green 394 00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:20,760 Speaker 6: Bay and Seattle. Now you're sitting at four and six, 395 00:22:21,119 --> 00:22:23,280 Speaker 6: so you've got really not much margin for air left. 396 00:22:24,560 --> 00:22:27,560 Speaker 6: You keep throwing them out there, you keep you know, 397 00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:29,639 Speaker 6: because I always wonder, is there's such a thing if 398 00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:31,560 Speaker 6: it's as bad as it was at times, and it 399 00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:34,360 Speaker 6: obviously ended better, but as bad as it was at times, 400 00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:37,680 Speaker 6: do you ever run the risk of traumatizing a guy, 401 00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:40,560 Speaker 6: even a kid who allegedly is this confident, if he 402 00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:44,560 Speaker 6: looks so sped up and looks so inaccurate that you go, no, 403 00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:46,960 Speaker 6: we actually might have to send him some more. 404 00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:53,240 Speaker 2: Well, I mean, we've got some great examples as far 405 00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:57,920 Speaker 2: as quarterbacks that have been through great journeys. Baker Mayfield 406 00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:01,600 Speaker 2: is a great example, great success early in his career, 407 00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:05,439 Speaker 2: and then there's called film and you know, the league, 408 00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:07,919 Speaker 2: they come up with a game plan for you. So 409 00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:11,120 Speaker 2: even after you have success early as C. J. Stroud 410 00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:15,040 Speaker 2: in Houston, like the league adjust to you, so then 411 00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:19,280 Speaker 2: your struggle might not be at the beginning. Geno Smith, 412 00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:21,880 Speaker 2: second round pick, he goes out, end up having success 413 00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:25,800 Speaker 2: in Seattle, you know, after you know, being somewhere where 414 00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:29,040 Speaker 2: people you know he couldn't become the franchise quarterback there 415 00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:37,000 Speaker 2: say I'm Darnold. Excellent transition Indianapolis, you know Danny Dimes like, 416 00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:41,600 Speaker 2: So there's a lot of different ways that you can mature. 417 00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:44,240 Speaker 2: You hope he does it on your watch, you know, 418 00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:47,679 Speaker 2: on that first rookie contract. But this is what he 419 00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:50,639 Speaker 2: signed up for. Just what you go to IMG for. 420 00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:54,959 Speaker 2: That's what you go to Michigan for. Like, no, now 421 00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:58,760 Speaker 2: if we have a different option at backup? Do I 422 00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:02,600 Speaker 2: believe after seeing and Bryce and them doing the reset 423 00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:05,960 Speaker 2: there in Charlotte, like, but we didn't know if that 424 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:09,080 Speaker 2: would work. That reset they did on Bryce, like, it's 425 00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:11,320 Speaker 2: really helped that team. They're in a position this year 426 00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:15,760 Speaker 2: after benching him last year that they that there are 427 00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:20,280 Speaker 2: a playoffs. So once you make that investment, you at 428 00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:23,520 Speaker 2: least have to give the kid three years, especially with 429 00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:26,040 Speaker 2: the injury was one being canceled. Now you have to 430 00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:28,840 Speaker 2: give the guy now it ends up getting hurt again 431 00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:32,720 Speaker 2: now it's going to be an issue, and I would 432 00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:40,400 Speaker 2: still look at bringing in a a definitely a veteran 433 00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:45,879 Speaker 2: backup next year. Yes, I'm definitely gonna do it. I 434 00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:48,720 Speaker 2: have to do that. I have to do that for 435 00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:51,960 Speaker 2: the team. And that's what they did last year in 436 00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:53,800 Speaker 2: Sam Donold with the end of the rookie year. I 437 00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:54,840 Speaker 2: did the same thing again. 438 00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:57,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's a great point. Well, you're you're 439 00:24:57,560 --> 00:25:00,600 Speaker 1: you're hurting the feelings of Gopher fans, who you know, 440 00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:04,600 Speaker 1: are big, big believers in Max Brosmer, the Gopher quarterback 441 00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:07,119 Speaker 1: last year is the backup. So I'm just saying be 442 00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:11,199 Speaker 1: careful because they're very sensitive to the issue of you 443 00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:13,960 Speaker 1: not saying that they have a you know, an established 444 00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:14,760 Speaker 1: backup quarterback. 445 00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:21,840 Speaker 2: No problem, no problem. I'm sure. I'm sure they wanted 446 00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:23,879 Speaker 2: to put him in yesterday. 447 00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:28,919 Speaker 3: Chris did, believe me. I'm not kidding. Well, you know 448 00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:29,360 Speaker 3: that bit. 449 00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:33,240 Speaker 1: The bit is, uh, you know, you don't the backup 450 00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:35,400 Speaker 1: is always the warp free guy, right, because you don't 451 00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:38,080 Speaker 1: associate any mistakes because he hadn't played, so you make 452 00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:40,680 Speaker 1: the assumption that why not just throw him out there. 453 00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:43,960 Speaker 1: Here's another good question from the audience. From Dustin out 454 00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:47,439 Speaker 1: of Bamidgie. As a wide receiver in your prime, wouldn't 455 00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:50,600 Speaker 1: the quarterback instability be extremely frustrating to you? 456 00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:54,920 Speaker 2: Well, you don't know my career. I made the Pro 457 00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:59,840 Speaker 2: Bowl with five different quarterbacks different times. That's my career. Yes, 458 00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:04,119 Speaker 2: Like we didn't have any consistency, Like we had to 459 00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:07,720 Speaker 2: make the quarterback work whoever it was. So I just 460 00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:09,359 Speaker 2: don't believe in making excuses. 461 00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:13,880 Speaker 3: Have you mentioned that to Justin Because you're exactly right. 462 00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:16,000 Speaker 1: I mean everybody talks about the number of quarterbacks he's 463 00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:17,080 Speaker 1: gone to have the deal gone through. 464 00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:18,359 Speaker 3: You went through more than that. 465 00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:24,160 Speaker 2: It's the same deal, but you got the bread. You're 466 00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:26,760 Speaker 2: getting all the credit. Like when they throw that ball, 467 00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:30,520 Speaker 2: they don't think it's them, that's true, they know it's you. 468 00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:36,000 Speaker 2: So yes, he has extreme pressure on him, but he's 469 00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:40,240 Speaker 2: built for it, like he's built for this, and he's 470 00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:42,760 Speaker 2: a great team leader, and he's going to say all 471 00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:45,000 Speaker 2: the right things. He's not going to say anything, and 472 00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:46,760 Speaker 2: I'm not going to speak to him, but I did 473 00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:49,960 Speaker 2: talk to him before the game. And wide receivers, man, 474 00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:53,840 Speaker 2: most of us have the same DNA. Okay, you don't 475 00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:55,639 Speaker 2: have to work too hard to think about what it is. 476 00:26:57,359 --> 00:26:59,760 Speaker 1: Well, yeah, you were, I mean I think you were. 477 00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:02,080 Speaker 1: You're not as vocal as some, but you're I think 478 00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:04,840 Speaker 1: you're more vocal than he. I think you'd agree back 479 00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:05,280 Speaker 1: in the day. 480 00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:10,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, yeah, yeah, but that's I got no problem 481 00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:10,879 Speaker 2: with you. 482 00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:11,800 Speaker 3: No, that was you. 483 00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:16,200 Speaker 2: Like, he's got a great style for which for which 484 00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:18,440 Speaker 2: he can get stuff done. And he's got a lot 485 00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:21,320 Speaker 2: of younger players in that locker room who really really 486 00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:23,800 Speaker 2: look up to him. So what he says is overall, 487 00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:30,119 Speaker 2: body language and everything becomes very very important, even if 488 00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:30,639 Speaker 2: he's lying. 489 00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:35,800 Speaker 1: Well, you got to right publicly. That's that's what you got. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 490 00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:38,800 Speaker 1: Well you didn't. You didn't feel obligated to actually though 491 00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:39,840 Speaker 1: you you will. 492 00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:42,640 Speaker 2: I'm I'm not going to tell a lot, but I'll 493 00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:45,080 Speaker 2: also tell you in a way that you can you 494 00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:46,680 Speaker 2: can can can do your job. 495 00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:48,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true. That's a very good way to put it, 496 00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:51,160 Speaker 1: and you often did. That's a hundred that's one hundred 497 00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:51,720 Speaker 1: percent true. 498 00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:54,880 Speaker 3: Is it? In the end? Is part of this too? 499 00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:56,879 Speaker 3: You know you mentioned it. 500 00:27:56,960 --> 00:27:59,440 Speaker 1: You if they've gone with one of the vets, then 501 00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:02,720 Speaker 1: you don't have money to spend elsewhere. But are we 502 00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:05,680 Speaker 1: coming to grips with the reality Chris, that it probably 503 00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:08,679 Speaker 1: was going to be unrealistic to expect you could do both. 504 00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:13,320 Speaker 1: In other words, throw the young quarterback out there and 505 00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:15,560 Speaker 1: compete in a way that you wanted to as much 506 00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:17,560 Speaker 1: as you did during the regular season last year. That 507 00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:21,560 Speaker 1: given his you know, some of his limitations are some 508 00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:24,399 Speaker 1: of his struggles at this point, that it just it 509 00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:27,679 Speaker 1: just was going to be very difficult to work to 510 00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:30,520 Speaker 1: get both things done, you know, because they're big here 511 00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:33,320 Speaker 1: on saying we don't rebuild. You know, we're not giving 512 00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:35,880 Speaker 1: away a leapy or anything like that. We're we're going 513 00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:38,600 Speaker 1: after it. But aren't we seeing the limitations of that 514 00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:39,800 Speaker 1: to a certain extent. 515 00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:46,040 Speaker 2: Well, for one, you can't you don't know what the 516 00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:49,200 Speaker 2: left tackle he designed to come back from a horrific 517 00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:51,560 Speaker 2: knee injury a little bit early, but you're trying to 518 00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:55,080 Speaker 2: gut it out. He's a great player, all right. His 519 00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:58,000 Speaker 2: comeback was a little bit slow. You lose the center, 520 00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:02,760 Speaker 2: all right, the quarterback gets nicked up early. So a 521 00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:06,640 Speaker 2: lot of things that Jordan Addison was suspended, you know, 522 00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:11,160 Speaker 2: So they had a lot of moving pieces that realistically, 523 00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:15,240 Speaker 2: the more championship models, especially though a match detrait and 524 00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:20,760 Speaker 2: physicality and Philadelphian physicality. They had to upgrade the offensive line, 525 00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:23,640 Speaker 2: they had to upgrade the interi of the defensive line, 526 00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:25,880 Speaker 2: and they also invested in some players that have been 527 00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:29,040 Speaker 2: successful for us. So yeah, I like the business model. 528 00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:31,480 Speaker 2: I believe in the front office. I believe in the ownership. 529 00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:35,320 Speaker 2: I believe in KOC. But that don't mean that what 530 00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:38,360 Speaker 2: I'm seeing right now that it looks better than actually 531 00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:41,120 Speaker 2: what I'm seeing it is what it is like this 532 00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:47,320 Speaker 2: team has underperformed based on the talent level they have. 533 00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:50,239 Speaker 3: Yeah, there's no question about that. 534 00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:52,720 Speaker 1: I mean, and again I'm not putting it on the 535 00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:56,840 Speaker 1: quarterback because it's not all on him. But the numbers 536 00:29:56,920 --> 00:29:59,360 Speaker 1: are alarm you know. I mean they're staggering even by 537 00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:02,320 Speaker 1: a young quarterback numbers when we're talking about QBR and 538 00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:05,160 Speaker 1: quarterback rating, I mean, they're off the charts here and 539 00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:08,920 Speaker 1: and so that's I mean, you know, as you mentioned. 540 00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:14,600 Speaker 2: Like this, but I don't like people who don't really 541 00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:19,280 Speaker 2: watch the game, right and yesterday, you know, the quarterback 542 00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:23,880 Speaker 2: was a great example, especially for a young player, Like 543 00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:27,760 Speaker 2: young players are typically more streaky, but you got to 544 00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:30,560 Speaker 2: get them a layup. You got to get them pocket, yes, 545 00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:33,440 Speaker 2: so that they can get that gleam in their eye, 546 00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:37,680 Speaker 2: get that college filling back where they were dominant players 547 00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:40,320 Speaker 2: the past. They throw early in the game down the 548 00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:42,880 Speaker 2: middle of the field to Jordan Addison that could have 549 00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:46,320 Speaker 2: changed his whole psyche. I mean, I mean that the 550 00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:52,200 Speaker 2: forty or fifty yard nugget that. Like, you don't know. 551 00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:55,560 Speaker 2: They had a couple other TJ. He dropped the path. 552 00:30:55,680 --> 00:31:00,719 Speaker 2: The running back dropped the path. JJ dropped the path. Right, 553 00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:03,200 Speaker 2: So all these things, and we're talking about the quarterback 554 00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:05,760 Speaker 2: and all these things could have been way way different. 555 00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:09,400 Speaker 2: If everybody's doing your job, especially when you have a 556 00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:17,760 Speaker 2: young quarterback, your margin from air it decreases. We get 557 00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:20,240 Speaker 2: your damn job and help out the kid. 558 00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:22,240 Speaker 1: Help them out. Yeah, do what you can to make 559 00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:24,760 Speaker 1: a difference. I could keep you all day. As you know, 560 00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:28,200 Speaker 1: we're really late. I appreciate you as always. Uh, I'm 561 00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:30,760 Speaker 1: glad you're doing well, and uh hopefully we can chat 562 00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:32,400 Speaker 1: again soon later this very season. 563 00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:36,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, man, keep your chin up, biking fans, We're gonna 564 00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:36,640 Speaker 2: be all right. 565 00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:38,480 Speaker 3: They need to hear that. 566 00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:41,280 Speaker 1: I think they probably needed that that message delivered. Although 567 00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:43,080 Speaker 1: you say it from the safety of Boca Raton. You're 568 00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:44,880 Speaker 1: back there while it's going to snow here tomorrow. 569 00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:48,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, so what that don't mean I can't be a 570 00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:50,320 Speaker 2: fan and they're not going to hear it on your 571 00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:51,920 Speaker 2: show because you're not going to tell them that. That's 572 00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:53,560 Speaker 2: why you had to have me on here to give 573 00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:55,800 Speaker 2: them some hope many season. 574 00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:58,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, you're writing just in time for the for the 575 00:31:58,080 --> 00:31:59,800 Speaker 1: holiday season. You're Oh, by the way, that was one 576 00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:02,520 Speaker 1: another question. Does Chris Carter put his Christmas tree up 577 00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:06,000 Speaker 1: before Thanksgiving? Or after Thanksgiving? That was another hard hitting 578 00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:07,240 Speaker 1: question I got from the audience. 579 00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:10,920 Speaker 2: Oh before, man, I got light everywhere here there already 580 00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:14,480 Speaker 2: I got Oh, absolutely, I got Christmas light on the 581 00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:15,000 Speaker 2: palm tree. 582 00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:16,880 Speaker 3: Send me a photo, man, send me a photo. I'll 583 00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:17,959 Speaker 3: tweet it out. That's perfect. 584 00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:21,400 Speaker 2: Okay, absolutely, I'll walk outside and take a picture of 585 00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:21,800 Speaker 2: the front. 586 00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:25,200 Speaker 1: Thanks Chris, my man, I appreciate you. That is the 587 00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:27,959 Speaker 1: one and the only Chris Carter. We'll get caught up 588 00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:41,360 Speaker 1: when we complete. I can't think of a better follow 589 00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:44,120 Speaker 1: up to our conversation with the Chris Carter than this 590 00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:46,400 Speaker 1: particular Vikings talking point. 591 00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:51,520 Speaker 3: We call it wild high and wild low. 592 00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:55,840 Speaker 4: McCarthy play actions great drop deep one side in complaint 593 00:32:56,560 --> 00:33:02,080 Speaker 4: to Addison, who's scorched Naseean Wright. Bad pass by JJ McCarthy. 594 00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:04,440 Speaker 4: That should have been a big hitch, absolutely right. 595 00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:06,760 Speaker 5: It was a deep over route and he got some 596 00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:09,719 Speaker 5: space between him he and the shot right, and that 597 00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:12,240 Speaker 5: thing was just thrown a little bit short. So something 598 00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:14,680 Speaker 5: to keep an eye on, Paul. That should have been 599 00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:17,520 Speaker 5: a big completion right there. You know, that's that's got 600 00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:18,800 Speaker 5: to upset Kevin O'Connell. 601 00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:22,800 Speaker 4: Scheme it open, Addison gets open at about the twenty 602 00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:24,960 Speaker 4: five of the Bears, McCarthy miss fire. 603 00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:27,680 Speaker 3: Minnesota two of two. 604 00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:31,280 Speaker 4: On third down, McCarthy shotgun five man rush passed left 605 00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:35,480 Speaker 4: incomplete to Jefferson and McCarthy was hitched shortly after he 606 00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:39,520 Speaker 4: threw it justin heads to the sideline, knowing he should 607 00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:41,800 Speaker 4: it should have been a first down. It was just 608 00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:45,560 Speaker 4: another off target too hard. JJ McCarthy passed. 609 00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:48,360 Speaker 5: Yeah, I was thrown behind behind him in his back shoulder. 610 00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:52,160 Speaker 5: So that's too inaccurate passes that we've seen already in 611 00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:55,360 Speaker 5: this first series. And that doesn't Bowell. I know he's 612 00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:57,600 Speaker 5: got he has some issues with the hand. Not exactly 613 00:33:57,680 --> 00:33:58,280 Speaker 5: sure what. 614 00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:04,360 Speaker 4: Pistol formation McCarthy short shot play action, nice blitz picked 615 00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:08,279 Speaker 4: up by Aaron Jones pass right, intercepted. Kevin byered the 616 00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:10,840 Speaker 4: third with his fifth pick this year. He heads to 617 00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:13,440 Speaker 4: the right to the forty thirty five thirty and he's 618 00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:15,960 Speaker 4: out of bounds on the bear's bench side of the 619 00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:19,920 Speaker 4: equation at the eighteen. For JJ McCarthy, he has thrown 620 00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:25,440 Speaker 4: seven interceptions this year, and that one, I mean, that 621 00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:27,920 Speaker 4: one just just kind of hung up there like a 622 00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:30,120 Speaker 4: center field or waiting for the ball to come down. 623 00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:31,120 Speaker 3: Buyer got the pick. 624 00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:34,520 Speaker 5: Well, Bayern's, you know, really just bait at JJ McCarthy. 625 00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:38,200 Speaker 4: Now it's third and seven from their own thirty three. 626 00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:42,040 Speaker 4: McCarthy shotgun takes the snap. There comes a blitz picked 627 00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:45,600 Speaker 4: up by c. J. Hamm pass right incomplete. I mean, 628 00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:49,279 Speaker 4: I mean, I know it's his fifth start, and I 629 00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:50,880 Speaker 4: know experience is required. 630 00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:53,800 Speaker 3: I don't even know how to explain what just happened. 631 00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:56,040 Speaker 4: That was ten feet over the head of Justin Jefferson, who, 632 00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:57,960 Speaker 4: by the way, was wide open for a first down. 633 00:34:58,360 --> 00:34:59,279 Speaker 3: Yeah it would have been. 634 00:34:59,360 --> 00:34:59,799 Speaker 7: It would have been. 635 00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:04,120 Speaker 5: He was shooting to the sideline and the play was there. 636 00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:06,239 Speaker 5: It was open, and just over, just threw it over 637 00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:06,600 Speaker 5: his head. 638 00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:12,160 Speaker 6: Chris Carter catches that ball? Which one all of them 639 00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:15,400 Speaker 6: the last one doesn't matter if it's ten feet high 640 00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:15,759 Speaker 6: to find it. 641 00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:17,879 Speaker 3: Well he just elevate. You got both feet in, there's 642 00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:18,360 Speaker 3: no question. 643 00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:20,840 Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, that's a good as Carter and dropping no 644 00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:23,319 Speaker 6: five balls about that the best and so he. 645 00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:27,680 Speaker 1: Is still competitive. It's so great. Well that sort of 646 00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:30,560 Speaker 1: sizes it up on the downside, right, there is obviously 647 00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:35,239 Speaker 1: a great drive late, but there were some moments where 648 00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:39,040 Speaker 1: you go, WHOA, and I think you even got from Chris. 649 00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:40,719 Speaker 1: I think Carter is like you got to play him. 650 00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:45,440 Speaker 1: But I did sense a little bit of concern creeping 651 00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:50,400 Speaker 1: in regarding the level of inaccuracy in this game. And 652 00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:55,560 Speaker 1: again the kids don't remember Dante Culpeper's first season was 653 00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:58,640 Speaker 1: not perfect, but it was nothing like this from the 654 00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:00,719 Speaker 1: very beginning. It was nothing. They went to an NFC 655 00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:02,360 Speaker 1: title game that year that I mean it ended up 656 00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:06,320 Speaker 1: batter down. But yeah, that was his again same as JJ. 657 00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:09,680 Speaker 1: He sat for a year and this was his second year, 658 00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:12,000 Speaker 1: but the first time really playing in anything that mattered. 659 00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:17,160 Speaker 1: And I people have no recollection of it. But and 660 00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:19,000 Speaker 1: because right now they don't want to have a recollection 661 00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:20,680 Speaker 1: of it, because it would make it even more alarming. 662 00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:22,000 Speaker 3: What's going on right now? 663 00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:25,439 Speaker 1: Let's pause, get caught up, and more talking points when 664 00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:29,719 Speaker 1: we return. Time now for the Vikings Report on the Fan, 665 00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:31,520 Speaker 1: presented by Miller Lyte. 666 00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:35,439 Speaker 6: Vikings wide receiver Adam Thielen joins Denver RaRo. 667 00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:57,200 Speaker 7: Next, marccers, all right. 668 00:36:57,160 --> 00:36:57,680 Speaker 3: Do you do it? 669 00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:01,480 Speaker 1: And let's do another quick Vikings talking point? 670 00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:04,560 Speaker 3: What do you think, Guardie? 671 00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:06,360 Speaker 1: I'll let you pick of the ones we have remaining, 672 00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:10,200 Speaker 1: anything any in particular you think worthy of our consideration 673 00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:12,120 Speaker 1: in this next short little block we have. 674 00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:16,800 Speaker 3: I like the last one run is success. 675 00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:22,960 Speaker 1: The power of Christ compels you to run the ball occasionally, 676 00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:24,480 Speaker 1: which we did do correct? 677 00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:26,080 Speaker 3: Want me to hit it? Yeah? 678 00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:29,000 Speaker 5: Now the offense has to do their job. Yep, you 679 00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:32,880 Speaker 5: score here, it's only a six point lead. Now we 680 00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:35,800 Speaker 5: got some pressure on these Bears, Paul. They've been comfortable, 681 00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:38,880 Speaker 5: I think the entire game. It's time to make them uncomfortable. 682 00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:42,440 Speaker 4: Let's go forty two yard return by Price, his longest 683 00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:44,920 Speaker 4: punt return so far this year and needs a rookie. 684 00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:47,120 Speaker 4: Here we go first and ten. When the Bears twenty 685 00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:49,839 Speaker 4: four run it I'm behind McCarthy. It's a toss right 686 00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:52,720 Speaker 4: and turning it up. Jordan Mason gets to the twenty 687 00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:55,880 Speaker 4: outside the numbers. Tremaine Edmonds runs him down at about 688 00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:56,680 Speaker 4: the sixteen. 689 00:37:57,080 --> 00:37:58,600 Speaker 3: It's a run of eight run. 690 00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:02,319 Speaker 4: It again, dozing run by Jordan Mason. Second and two 691 00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:04,879 Speaker 4: thirteen minutes to go in the game. The Vikings, they 692 00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:06,520 Speaker 4: got some work to do, but at least they got 693 00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:07,160 Speaker 4: some momentum. 694 00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:08,440 Speaker 3: Now what a block by CJ. 695 00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:11,960 Speaker 5: Ham on CJ. Gardner Johnson, Paul, I mean that we've 696 00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:15,120 Speaker 5: talked about this all day, that they're keeping a defensive 697 00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:18,920 Speaker 5: back end basically to play linebacker against base personnel. So 698 00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:22,320 Speaker 5: you got the mismatch and CJ. Ham will take Gardner 699 00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:24,920 Speaker 5: Johnson all over second and short handoff. 700 00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:33,360 Speaker 4: Mason runs the right first job tenn sure Mason with 701 00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:38,200 Speaker 4: his fifth rushing touchdown this year, and the Minnesota Vikings 702 00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:38,920 Speaker 4: have life. 703 00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:41,640 Speaker 3: It's sixteen to nine Chicago. 704 00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:43,719 Speaker 5: Yeah, they had a body there, but he just can't 705 00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:46,440 Speaker 5: arm tackle Jordan Mason. Paul, just tell the almost the 706 00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:49,239 Speaker 5: exact same play that they had run previously. 707 00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:50,200 Speaker 3: Off tackle. 708 00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:53,520 Speaker 5: Mason gets through the arm tackle by Gardner Johnson and 709 00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:55,479 Speaker 5: he takes it up and gets it into the end zone. 710 00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:59,440 Speaker 5: So what a huge turn of events, the Viking defense 711 00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:02,560 Speaker 5: coming out, make it something happen, special teams answering the call, 712 00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:05,680 Speaker 5: and then the running game of all things. 713 00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:07,760 Speaker 3: He sounds stunned. 714 00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:11,000 Speaker 6: He did, didn't he We converted a third and two 715 00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:12,360 Speaker 6: running the ball as well? 716 00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:13,319 Speaker 7: We did? 717 00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:16,880 Speaker 6: Did people bronx to hear that. I didn't hear that? 718 00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:18,359 Speaker 3: It's a good quote. I don't know though they did. 719 00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:19,560 Speaker 3: I'm not sure they might have. 720 00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:24,360 Speaker 1: There were Goggins wrote some bitterness that we passed on 721 00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:25,960 Speaker 1: a couple of like a second and two. 722 00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:26,920 Speaker 3: I don't remember that one. 723 00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:31,480 Speaker 1: I I think overall I was as a you know, 724 00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:36,640 Speaker 1: a run run the ball terrorist as the Mike Zimmer. Yes, 725 00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:39,600 Speaker 1: I I have no complaints about the run game. I 726 00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:42,719 Speaker 1: think it's it's vindication once again that that it's an 727 00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:45,360 Speaker 1: important it can be an important piece. But as I 728 00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:48,600 Speaker 1: said on sermons, if you have a quarterback who's going 729 00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:52,439 Speaker 1: to be that inaccurate, it doesn't really matter how much 730 00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:53,120 Speaker 1: you run the ball. 731 00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:55,640 Speaker 3: There has to be it all has to work. There 732 00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:56,080 Speaker 3: has to be. 733 00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:59,359 Speaker 1: Harmonic convergence, right and and so and that I don't 734 00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:01,759 Speaker 1: think you can put on koc. It just he's just 735 00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:04,120 Speaker 1: wildly inaccurate. He's been that way. He's been a fifty 736 00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:08,600 Speaker 1: percent completion guy from the beginning of the season, and 737 00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:12,120 Speaker 1: that's the part that is scary and depressing about yesterday. 738 00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:15,680 Speaker 1: Kaos said it in his press conference. They ran the 739 00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:18,399 Speaker 1: ball really well. They had a lot of second in shorts. Yes, 740 00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:21,080 Speaker 1: they weren't behind the chains a bunch, and he got 741 00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:21,640 Speaker 1: good production. 742 00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:22,560 Speaker 3: He got good much. 743 00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:25,960 Speaker 6: Time, so much of it was set up to have 744 00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:28,680 Speaker 6: a really nice passing Yeah. Yeah, because of how they 745 00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:31,000 Speaker 6: established a run and I thought it was interesting. Ben 746 00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:32,960 Speaker 6: Johnson kind of in the middle of the first half 747 00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:35,759 Speaker 6: took the ball out of Caleb's hands a little bit too. 748 00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:38,160 Speaker 6: Caleb had a couple of runs in their touchdown drive, 749 00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:41,239 Speaker 6: but after he airmailed like four or five, I think 750 00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:43,200 Speaker 6: Johnson said, all right, we're going to the backs, give 751 00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:45,520 Speaker 6: me the Rutgers kid, give me the other guy. We're 752 00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:47,279 Speaker 6: gonna go. We're gonna run it a little bit. Let's 753 00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:49,920 Speaker 6: get this thing stabilized. They took the lead off that 754 00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:52,680 Speaker 6: that's true, and I thought that was interesting. But koc 755 00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:56,360 Speaker 6: I thought set up his quarterback amazingly yesterday, and his 756 00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:58,560 Speaker 6: QB was not ready for receivers. 757 00:40:58,080 --> 00:40:59,920 Speaker 3: Were open all over the place. There's no question. 758 00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:04,359 Speaker 1: Six point two guy earlier, listening to Pete Bursich through 759 00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:06,160 Speaker 1: these talking points, I feel like he's going into a 760 00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:08,279 Speaker 1: cranky old man, and you can hear it more and 761 00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:10,560 Speaker 1: more and more with each passing game. Uh, let me 762 00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:13,799 Speaker 1: let me put it this way. If that's what you 763 00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:16,640 Speaker 1: define as a cranky old man, I'll raise my hand 764 00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:19,719 Speaker 1: and endorse, because I don't think Peter Burstich sounds like 765 00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:22,160 Speaker 1: anything but a hell of a radio analyst. I don't 766 00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:25,240 Speaker 1: think if he's cranky, it's not a matter of cranky. 767 00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:28,560 Speaker 1: It's him evaluating what he sees exactly, which he's paid 768 00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:33,240 Speaker 1: to do. So if you turn if in your mind 769 00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:36,919 Speaker 1: that defines cranky, then I'm not sure again what you want. 770 00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:40,520 Speaker 1: If you it's not like it's not like Pa and 771 00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:43,920 Speaker 1: Bursus are afraid to cheer when things are going well, 772 00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:47,360 Speaker 1: but if they're not going well in a game, Bursus 773 00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:50,040 Speaker 1: isn't gonna lie to you. So I I love his 774 00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:53,000 Speaker 1: radio analysis. I can't half the reason we do talking 775 00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:56,120 Speaker 1: points brought to you by Federator Federated Insurance, by the 776 00:41:56,120 --> 00:42:00,920 Speaker 1: way we appreciate their support is the reaction. It's it's 777 00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:03,200 Speaker 1: it's an and and a lot of times. As you know, 778 00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:05,360 Speaker 1: I don't know it because I'm watching it on TV. 779 00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:09,279 Speaker 1: So I'm amused because you know what's coming and I don't, 780 00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:10,440 Speaker 1: And it's it's part of the fun. 781 00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:12,480 Speaker 3: But he he ain't cranky at all. 782 00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:15,319 Speaker 1: What's he supposed to say? Well, he is cranky, but 783 00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:18,680 Speaker 1: it's it's cranky in terms of performance. It's not like 784 00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:21,239 Speaker 1: he's just waking up wanting to hammer no, Boddy no. 785 00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:24,399 Speaker 1: And what bothers him the most, I think should bother everybody. Yes, 786 00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:28,160 Speaker 1: the sloppiness, Yes, where they're running guys out, laid on 787 00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:32,439 Speaker 1: the punt, where guys are dropping the ball. Where he's 788 00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:35,359 Speaker 1: a coach and a player, he doesn't like the sloppiness. Dan, 789 00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:38,040 Speaker 1: your criticisms of JJ are factual, but I almost it 790 00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:41,560 Speaker 1: almost seems like you're enjoying seeing him struggle and mocking 791 00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:45,000 Speaker 1: the fans of support McCarthy. Do you have some vendetta 792 00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:49,239 Speaker 1: against McCarthy that's from Kyle, Kyle, keep that between you 793 00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:52,279 Speaker 1: and me. Yeah, I'm out to get the guy. I 794 00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:57,200 Speaker 1: celebrated the two when the Vikings drafted him. Vendetta against 795 00:42:57,239 --> 00:43:02,600 Speaker 1: JJ McCarthy. If he looks like Josh Freeman, It's not 796 00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:05,880 Speaker 1: my fault. If he looks nothing like Dante Culpepper in 797 00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:08,680 Speaker 1: his first year, his second year with the team, that's 798 00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:09,640 Speaker 1: not my fault either. 799 00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:15,800 Speaker 6: Show rap presented by American Pressure Commercial grade Pressure Washers 800 00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:17,120 Speaker 6: since nineteen seventy five. 801 00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:24,040 Speaker 3: It's the bumper to bumper show rap. It's never going 802 00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:24,680 Speaker 3: to end, is it? 803 00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:29,839 Speaker 1: Every third text you check Josh Allen stats his first year. 804 00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:32,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, let me give him to you right now. 805 00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:37,959 Speaker 1: His first season QBR forty nine to eight, regular rating 806 00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:41,440 Speaker 1: sixty seven to nine. Not great. You want to compare 807 00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:46,960 Speaker 1: that to what JJ has done this thus far QBR 808 00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:48,760 Speaker 1: twenty six point seven. 809 00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:50,440 Speaker 3: It's a little frustraer. 810 00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:50,799 Speaker 7: Yeah. 811 00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:52,960 Speaker 3: Again, I don't I just don't know what to tell you. 812 00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:55,840 Speaker 1: We are aware that it's not over for him, but 813 00:43:56,040 --> 00:43:58,040 Speaker 1: if the best you can do to make yourself feel 814 00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:00,520 Speaker 1: better is look at all these other quarterbacks and what 815 00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:07,360 Speaker 1: their numbers were. His quarterback rating was forty points higher, 816 00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:12,880 Speaker 1: as ordinary as it was. And again, don't get me 817 00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:15,560 Speaker 1: going down the Dante Culpeper road any further than we 818 00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:16,800 Speaker 1: already did with Chris Carter. 819 00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:19,480 Speaker 3: I mean, just just stop. 820 00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:23,600 Speaker 1: You're not doing your guy any favors with that, better 821 00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:26,200 Speaker 1: to just say, look, it's erratic right now. 822 00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:27,359 Speaker 3: It's worse than. 823 00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:31,000 Speaker 6: I might have even expected. Five games in. It's clearly 824 00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:33,680 Speaker 6: worse than what Chris Carter expected. He made that very clear. 825 00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:37,279 Speaker 1: But we're hanging with him, and there's too much upside here. 826 00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:40,000 Speaker 1: You're better off saying that than trying to make yourself 827 00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:44,920 Speaker 1: feel better by the because none of these comparisons, literally, 828 00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:47,680 Speaker 1: none of these comparisons add up if you care about 829 00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:52,759 Speaker 1: analytic numbers, the way that quarterbacks are evaluated, whether it's 830 00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:56,719 Speaker 1: old school rating or new scale of rating as well, 831 00:44:56,800 --> 00:45:02,680 Speaker 1: it's bizarre. A lot of his throws yesterday missed by inches. 832 00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:06,120 Speaker 3: A lot of them, some of them missed by yards. 833 00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:11,480 Speaker 6: And some of them, yeah, missed by zip codes. 834 00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:15,120 Speaker 1: Oh have you mentioned Donald's for imts today? Honestly ask him, No, 835 00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:16,600 Speaker 1: there are people. 836 00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:17,239 Speaker 3: Here's the thing. 837 00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:20,080 Speaker 6: They just got to vote a confidence from somebody. Yes, yeah, 838 00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:22,839 Speaker 6: a defensive player. Yeah, who were they playing? Guess who 839 00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:25,360 Speaker 6: they were playing yesterday? Who did they play the Rams again? 840 00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:25,680 Speaker 4: Oh? 841 00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:30,120 Speaker 1: No, the Rams are the one team that has Sam 842 00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:31,000 Speaker 1: Donald's number. 843 00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:33,640 Speaker 3: And he did. He threw as But here's what's interesting. 844 00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:36,000 Speaker 3: He still almost brought him back. 845 00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:39,879 Speaker 1: He cut the lead to one touchdown or even one 846 00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:42,040 Speaker 1: field goal, and then they got the ball again late. 847 00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:44,640 Speaker 1: But the field goal to try they they they attempted 848 00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:47,000 Speaker 1: was like I think sixty eight or sixty six sixty 849 00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:51,279 Speaker 1: five yards, So no, there was I'm noticing there are 850 00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:54,439 Speaker 1: a lot of people who said, well, what does that say? 851 00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:55,640 Speaker 3: I mean, is he coming back to the. 852 00:45:55,600 --> 00:45:59,440 Speaker 1: Pack or is it literally whoever runs the defense of 853 00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:02,200 Speaker 1: the Rams. Has Sam Darnold figured out or it's even 854 00:46:02,239 --> 00:46:03,839 Speaker 1: become kind of a mental block for him. 855 00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:04,759 Speaker 3: I don't know. 856 00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:09,080 Speaker 1: He's had an outstanding regular season, there's no question about that. 857 00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:13,560 Speaker 1: You're hearing the music now because we're out early for 858 00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:16,759 Speaker 1: some Vikings programming, and that'll be followed by your Timberwolves 859 00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:22,560 Speaker 1: back in action against the struggling Dallas Mavericks, who have 860 00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:26,480 Speaker 1: everybody out right now, They're two best players are out well. 861 00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:28,600 Speaker 1: Kyrie is out for a long stretch right Although a 862 00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:30,120 Speaker 1: lot of people think he will try to come back 863 00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:30,880 Speaker 1: later this season. 864 00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:32,319 Speaker 3: I don't know if they'll want to or will he. 865 00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:34,360 Speaker 3: By the way, did you notice I forgot. 866 00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:37,799 Speaker 1: To mention this with Johnny the Thunder, I believe has 867 00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:41,600 Speaker 1: lost one game thus far and they've been killing people. 868 00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:44,279 Speaker 1: They've been playing bad teams that they've been winning routinely 869 00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:49,160 Speaker 1: by you know, twenty thirty forty. The other nugget on 870 00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:54,040 Speaker 1: Okie City. I'm sure you've seen it. There's an excellent 871 00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:57,759 Speaker 1: chance that they will have two of the top ten picks. 872 00:46:57,440 --> 00:47:01,120 Speaker 3: In the NBA drafts. I know this upcoming in unbelievable. 873 00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:05,239 Speaker 1: How well they've put that thing together and sustained it. 874 00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:08,000 Speaker 6: They took advantage of being flyover country and having stars 875 00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:10,960 Speaker 6: absolutely out of there, man, Paul George. For sure, it's 876 00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:13,160 Speaker 6: almost scary when you think of it that way. It 877 00:47:13,239 --> 00:47:15,160 Speaker 6: is two of the top ten, and by the way. 878 00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:16,680 Speaker 1: One of those could end up being like a top 879 00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:19,880 Speaker 1: three pick eventually. One of them, I think is lottery 880 00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:23,000 Speaker 1: protected to an extent. That's great, but one of them 881 00:47:23,239 --> 00:47:27,719 Speaker 1: is not. The Rams also have Who's bad right now? 882 00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:31,000 Speaker 1: The Rams have somebody's number one pick next year. That's 883 00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:32,719 Speaker 1: really good. Let me see I can find it real quick. 884 00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:33,680 Speaker 1: We're out of time, aren't we. 885 00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:34,799 Speaker 7: Uh. 886 00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:39,120 Speaker 3: Chris Carter joined us at what time? Five o'clock? 887 00:47:39,120 --> 00:47:41,319 Speaker 1: Five o'clock. If you miss it, I harghly recommend you 888 00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:44,120 Speaker 1: try to get to it. I thought I saved it. 889 00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:46,400 Speaker 1: Rams made a great deal when they traded for the 890 00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:49,719 Speaker 1: falcons twenty twenty six first round pick, Atlanta's in free 891 00:47:49,719 --> 00:47:53,879 Speaker 1: for all their starting quarterback. Gone Cousins looked. He didn't 892 00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:57,040 Speaker 1: look good. Hedn't even look interested to me. No, he 893 00:47:57,080 --> 00:47:59,440 Speaker 1: looks like he's whipped. He just looks like he's just 894 00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:00,719 Speaker 1: at his age. 895 00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:02,279 Speaker 3: Not great. Yeah, I'm probably right about that. 896 00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:07,360 Speaker 1: Tomorrow, Kevin Steaffert and Luigi Vikings rewind and then Wolves 897 00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:08,359 Speaker 1: hoop action on the fan. 898 00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:10,040 Speaker 3: We'll talk to you at three o'clock. 899 00:48:11,120 --> 00:48:13,600 Speaker 5: A lot of things that are easily correctable. 900 00:48:14,719 --> 00:48:16,360 Speaker 4: We've got to get a fire in our ass. 901 00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:20,920 Speaker 2: It's real, it's wrong at times, it's real wrong