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Speaker 2: Tuesday edition of the Bumper to Bumper Program. My name

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Speaker 2: is Dan Barrero.

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Speaker 3: I host the program, and lookye here Guardsy is back,

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Speaker 3: but only for the day.

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Speaker 2: More on that later, and we are going. I believe

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Speaker 2: the distance today is that correctill six thirty incorrect?

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Speaker 3: We will be out at six fifteen, six fifteen Wild

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Speaker 3: Tampa Bay, Tampa Bay. I believe at six fifteen pregame

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Speaker 2: I should have known that, and fallness will be very,

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Speaker 2: The word on the street is they have offensive issues,

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Speaker 2: Chipscoggins will join in about a half hour. Chipper is

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Speaker 2: scheduled for three point thirty today and I think the

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Speaker 2: of it on the college level. There are many stories

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Speaker 2: to get to coaching hot Firings. Hirings go to go

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Speaker 2: for women's basketball. I believe he will be following you

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Speaker 2: to Sacramento, California. You will be to track the Golden

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Speaker 2: Golphers who take on the UCLA Bruins, who did advance as.

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Speaker 1: Expected against was it Oklahoma State?

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Speaker 2: So that game you tell me is is a six

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Speaker 1: That is the plan. Good, That's what Abbit's been working on. Stand.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So we'll get into all that and more with Chipper.

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Speaker 2: It's funny how either great minds alike, great minds run alike,

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Speaker 2: or they feeble minds run together as well. Between you

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Speaker 2: And it it I think ran in late February, but

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Speaker 2: saw it on the final last night. Yeah, yeah, And

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Speaker 2: it is when we I think when most people think

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Speaker 1: What I'm gonna I'm gonna maybe have I'm.

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Speaker 2: Gonna I guess you could have your freshman year at

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Speaker 2: I there's always gonna be time for education, but this

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Speaker 2: I don't know how popular it is, but I think

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Speaker 2: On the basis of the story that there's a new

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Speaker 2: Here's the headline Wall Street Journal, Why hold your straight

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Speaker 2: an individual who has gone heavily down this gap year road,

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Speaker 2: a father a parent. The name is Michael Cancellari. He's described,

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Speaker 2: as a high school freshman. Sixty other boys are repeating

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Speaker 2: Holding back kids in school for an athletic edge indeed

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Speaker 2: The practice is known as reclassifying, reclassing, bridge year gap year,

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Speaker 1: Now, this is where it gets interesting to me.

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Speaker 2: So let's say, for example, State of Minnesota, yep, if

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Speaker 1: Is it that simple?

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Speaker 2: Is there a process by which you have to be approved?

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Speaker 2: What are the I mean, private schools can can do whatever.

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Speaker 1: They want, that's right, right, pretty much?

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Speaker 2: But what about what are the rules when it pertains

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Speaker 1: How far can it go? Why stop? Why stop it

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Speaker 2: Why not a second gap year? Where do we exactly

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Speaker 1: Who don't have who aren't being real about this.

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Speaker 2: I think the example was if the mom and dad

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Speaker 2: pretend that if you waited extra year, little Johnny's going to.

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Speaker 3: Grow to six three, he's going to hit the gross

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Speaker 1: But I I had.

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Speaker 3: I guess, I had no idea that this was gaining popularity, even,

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Speaker 1: And what I want to know again.

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Speaker 2: Is, so do you just take how do you if

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Speaker 2: there My assumption is there still has to be something

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Speaker 2: Are there enough other courses that you just just say, well,

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Speaker 2: I'm just going to be more well rounded.

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Speaker 1: What's wrong with more education? Dan? Right? I want I

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Speaker 1: you of this? Are you aware of it? How much

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Speaker 1: I wasn't aware of it at all.

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Speaker 3: And that's my niativity actually annoys me on it that

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Speaker 3: correct where for a lot of reasons. You don't want

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Speaker 3: that's that's why it's stunning to me that there actually

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Speaker 3: They're a junior, but the college coach likes them and

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Speaker 1: Exactly.

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Speaker 3: I've heard of that, definitely, but I've never heard of this,

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Speaker 3: to parents as what it is. I mean, they're transparent

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Speaker 2: Where's the interesting quote I had here involving a public school.

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Speaker 1: Principal. Here we go.

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Speaker 2: In this case, they report about a guy named Trey Brown.

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Speaker 2: I want to start a ninth grade on varsity, Trey

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Speaker 2: Brown told his parents when he was a seventh grade

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Speaker 2: a Dana Brown, a public school assistant superintendent in the

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Speaker 2: Los Angeles area said that she called it a gamble,

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Speaker 2: but it was one that paid off. Her son grew

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Speaker 1: Time through a three.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, and enter high school bigger, stronger, faster,

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Speaker 2: and more coordinated. Girls who generally mature earlier than boys

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Speaker 2: have less incentive to do holdback years is the way

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Speaker 2: the experts put it. Not only about two percent of

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Speaker 2: has not dissuaded many families. The upsides are holding back

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Speaker 2: and they are reinforced by social media and successful athletes themselves.

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Speaker 2: Our Sid, yes that's what was fought as you brought it,

436
00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:41,880
Speaker 2: up just just start screaming at.

437
00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:45,960
Speaker 4: Them, so but it. WAS i will, say in my

438
00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:48,320
Speaker 4: twenty six years of living In, MINNESOTA i think that's

439
00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:52,119
Speaker 4: the Lowdest i've been in. There BUT i haven't been

440
00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:53,960
Speaker 4: in there for many big, games to be honest with.

441
00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:56,560
Speaker 4: YOU i MEAN i go back To wayland's years, though

442
00:24:56,640 --> 00:25:00,040
Speaker 4: four those those teams it, was you, know it was that.

443
00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:02,879
Speaker 4: Way you have to give them the good basketball before

444
00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:05,760
Speaker 4: the environment is going to be. There so you're one

445
00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:09,840
Speaker 4: hundred percent right. Now they need to modernize it they

446
00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:12,119
Speaker 4: need different things to make it a little easier on.

447
00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:15,600
Speaker 4: Fans but, yes in terms of can The barn still

448
00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:20,760
Speaker 4: be what everybody you, know the nostalgia that everybody has for,

449
00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:22,200
Speaker 4: it only if the product's.

450
00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:27,080
Speaker 2: GOOD i tried to Get Don, plitzowhite who was on

451
00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:30,200
Speaker 2: with us briefly, yesterday to get into this particular, subject

452
00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:30,960
Speaker 2: and she.

453
00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:32,199
Speaker 1: Kind of, did kind of.

454
00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:35,159
Speaker 2: Didn't but you wrote about it a lot off of

455
00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:39,440
Speaker 2: the comfort behind victory over ole miss the, decision and,

456
00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:43,000
Speaker 2: these of course were several players who were instrumental to

457
00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:46,080
Speaker 2: this team's ascension this year and to coming back to

458
00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:50,600
Speaker 2: win that game with the second, grade second straight dominant fourth.

459
00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:53,120
Speaker 1: Quarter do you what.

460
00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:57,320
Speaker 2: Do you know about how challenging it was For don

461
00:25:57,320 --> 00:25:59,480
Speaker 2: when she got here to keep those, players because what

462
00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:01,360
Speaker 2: she said, is, well now they've all been, committed they've

463
00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:05,159
Speaker 2: always been committed To. Minnesota and maybe that's, true maybe

464
00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:10,040
Speaker 2: it wasn't a difficult recruitment or re recruitment at, All

465
00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:13,159
Speaker 2: but what have you heard in that? Regard was it

466
00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:16,479
Speaker 2: at all more challenging than she was willing to? Suggest

467
00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:18,439
Speaker 2: BECAUSE I i got to believe in if you're you,

468
00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:21,840
Speaker 2: know loyal to the you no one would blame some

469
00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:23,480
Speaker 2: of these players to, saying you, KNOW i don't know

470
00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:23,919
Speaker 2: where this is.

471
00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:26,000
Speaker 1: Going maybe MAYBE i should look around a little.

472
00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:28,560
Speaker 4: Bit, yeah you. Know AND i haven't talked to them.

473
00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:33,440
Speaker 4: SPECIFICALLY i went back into our archives a couple of

474
00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:35,440
Speaker 4: days ago just to, look AND i think there there

475
00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:38,680
Speaker 4: was like A i would say five day lag time

476
00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:43,080
Speaker 4: down between when When lindsay, left maybe longer or when

477
00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:47,719
Speaker 4: when uh or after Plitz white got. Hired that at

478
00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:52,159
Speaker 4: first it was Uh mara and then someone else with,

479
00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:54,080
Speaker 4: her AND i think battle took a few more. DAYS.

480
00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:56,479
Speaker 4: Ok so it wasn't LIKE i don't think we heard

481
00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:58,560
Speaker 4: right away no matter what, happens who they hired were. Staying,

482
00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:01,440
Speaker 4: yeah they did come about, that but that's probably, natural

483
00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:03,919
Speaker 4: right you want to hit from your emotions of losing

484
00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:06,720
Speaker 4: your coach and figuring, out, okay they're still WHAT i

485
00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:08,240
Speaker 4: don't want to. Do who are they going to. HIRE

486
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:12,399
Speaker 4: i wouldn't be surprised if schools called them and reached

487
00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:14,119
Speaker 4: out to, say, hey what you, know what are you?

488
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:17,720
Speaker 4: Thinking BECAUSE i think that's pretty standard when you have

489
00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:19,840
Speaker 4: a coaching. Change other, schools if they're interested in they're

490
00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:21,679
Speaker 4: going to call and kind of gauge your. Interests SO

491
00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:23,600
Speaker 4: i don't know if all that you know how much

492
00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:29,680
Speaker 4: that played into, It BUT i do know that that

493
00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:32,399
Speaker 4: school and that program and the commitment they made to

494
00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:35,560
Speaker 4: each other meant a. Lot and we've heard that a

495
00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:38,679
Speaker 4: lot From battle And braun here specifically over the you,

496
00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:41,280
Speaker 4: know the last couple of, days just they wanted to

497
00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:43,560
Speaker 4: see this. Through they came here because they wanted to

498
00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:47,680
Speaker 4: make the program good, again and they loved playing with each.

499
00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:50,280
Speaker 4: Other they really have this kind of connection in terms

500
00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:54,120
Speaker 4: of just enjoying being around each. Other SO i think

501
00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:57,560
Speaker 4: it would probably take something really extraordinary for them to,

502
00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:03,080
Speaker 4: leave beyond just the coaching, change but it IS i,

503
00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:06,000
Speaker 4: think just such a nice reward in this day and

504
00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:08,639
Speaker 4: age of college sports where kid just leave for whatever,

505
00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:11,679
Speaker 4: reason that they stuck it, out went through, injuries went

506
00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:13,560
Speaker 4: through some tough. TIMES i think The don's first, year

507
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:15,080
Speaker 4: didn't he win guards that can help? Me didn't you

508
00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:16,560
Speaker 4: win just like five big ten? GAMES i mean they

509
00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:18,840
Speaker 4: took their, Glumps yeah they. Did and then to have

510
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:22,240
Speaker 4: that moment On sunday where they all were impactful and

511
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:24,800
Speaker 4: they all made these, huge significant plays in the final.

512
00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:27,520
Speaker 4: MINUTE i, mean you can't write that script any.

513
00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:28,159
Speaker 1: Better, no for.

514
00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:31,080
Speaker 2: Sure and, again as you well, know they were struggling

515
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:36,960
Speaker 2: going into the fourth quarter the previous game Against Green, bay,

516
00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:40,880
Speaker 2: RIGHT i mean they now they completely took over in

517
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:43,120
Speaker 2: the fourth in that, game gave up nine in that,

518
00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:47,400
Speaker 2: one gave up. NINE i think they out, combined they

519
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:51,040
Speaker 2: outscored the opposition forty nine to eighteen in the two.

520
00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:55,640
Speaker 2: Games but it was it looked like it was even

521
00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:57,440
Speaker 2: going to be made perhaps more of a slog Because

522
00:28:57,480 --> 00:29:00,520
Speaker 2: Ole miss clearly is a more talent on the team

523
00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:02,960
Speaker 2: in a better and a better team as. Well but

524
00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:06,680
Speaker 2: as you, say when you're still when you're trying to build,

525
00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:11,320
Speaker 2: it it's such it's got to be pressurized because you

526
00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:13,560
Speaker 2: get the advantage of playing two games at. Home you're

527
00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:16,120
Speaker 2: supposed to win them as a result of, it but

528
00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:19,200
Speaker 2: you got to do. It and to that, extent what's

529
00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:21,320
Speaker 2: WHAT i think has to be helpful to the program

530
00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:25,920
Speaker 2: is they maximize the. Opportunity, right you can't really ask

531
00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:29,600
Speaker 2: for much more than winning to and then winning especially

532
00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:33,080
Speaker 2: in the in the second round, game the way they

533
00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:36,680
Speaker 2: did in dramatic fashion in front of a you, know

534
00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:39,720
Speaker 2: the most boisterous and biggest crowd probably they've had in,

535
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:42,120
Speaker 2: forever going maybe even back to The Lindsay whalen. Days

536
00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:46,160
Speaker 2: that's how you give yourself a chance to feel like

537
00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:49,840
Speaker 2: there's something credible building and one would hope then you

538
00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:51,160
Speaker 2: have a chance to sustain.

539
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:54,520
Speaker 4: It well that's, it you, KNOW i go back To, Friday,

540
00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:57,280
Speaker 4: dan that's not the first. HALF i thought nerves got to. Them,

541
00:29:57,320 --> 00:29:58,760
Speaker 4: yeah you, know this is their first time in the

542
00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:02,680
Speaker 4: tournament eight years and the biggest, crowd and SO i

543
00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:05,560
Speaker 4: felt like they played a little, uptight a little tense

544
00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:07,400
Speaker 4: in the first, half and then they're better than the.

545
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:12,120
Speaker 4: Third fourth they deciously. Dominated But, Sunday Oh miss like being.

546
00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:15,400
Speaker 4: Courtsied you could tell they were incredibly athletic and incredibly,

547
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:19,760
Speaker 4: physical and they played up in them. DEFENSIVELY i mean they,

548
00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:23,200
Speaker 4: were you, know knocking them off the on screens all.

549
00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:25,760
Speaker 4: THAT i, mean it Was they're a good, team so

550
00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:28,640
Speaker 4: to have to fight through that and OVERCOME i think

551
00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:31,400
Speaker 4: if they're down eight going to the, fourth that was

552
00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:34,160
Speaker 4: a real test of the resolve and just THEIR i

553
00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:36,160
Speaker 4: think a lot of their, toughness and they rose to the,

554
00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:39,600
Speaker 4: moment and that's what you wanted to. See this program

555
00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:42,080
Speaker 4: is building and they've been they had a good regular,

556
00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:44,760
Speaker 4: season you, know all the things that they did to

557
00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:47,000
Speaker 4: get that top, seed and when you get a home court,

558
00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:50,400
Speaker 4: advantage you don't want to squander it because that would

559
00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:53,040
Speaker 4: HAVE i mean talking about the heartbreak if if that

560
00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:54,440
Speaker 4: last shot would have gone, in or if they had

561
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:57,000
Speaker 4: lost that, game but the way they did, it to

562
00:30:57,080 --> 00:30:59,520
Speaker 4: have to fight back and really win a game that

563
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:04,040
Speaker 4: was just super intense and super. PHYSICAL i think that's

564
00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:07,760
Speaker 4: probably why the reaction and why there is so much

565
00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:11,440
Speaker 4: elation Inside Williams, arena just the way it. Unfolded and

566
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:15,320
Speaker 4: then to see these players that you've, fans have followed

567
00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:19,280
Speaker 4: their career for four years and really become got to

568
00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:22,400
Speaker 4: know them well and really embrace, them to see them

569
00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:25,200
Speaker 4: make those high level. PLAYS i mean that shot That

570
00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:27,480
Speaker 4: broad made a step back, THREE i mean it's. Incredible

571
00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:30,360
Speaker 4: A maa battle who is as good as a person

572
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:32,600
Speaker 4: who's gonna meet A maya battle to make that you,

573
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:37,680
Speaker 4: Know falloway jumper to win. IT i just think if

574
00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:39,600
Speaker 4: you're a casual fan or you're checking them out for

575
00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:42,120
Speaker 4: the first, TIME i think you walked away really impressed

576
00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:44,320
Speaker 4: and probably, saying you know, WHAT i want to watch them,

577
00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:46,800
Speaker 4: more And i'm guessing they'll get a spike or a

578
00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:50,040
Speaker 4: surge in attendance next year because of what they're doing this.

579
00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:53,600
Speaker 2: Year the game you are going to cover Is friday

580
00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:58,320
Speaker 2: And sacramento six thirty on the fan Against. Ushila the

581
00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:03,240
Speaker 2: most recent points Spread i've seen IS ucla is favored

582
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:07,760
Speaker 2: by nineteen and a half. Points i'm assuming it's not

583
00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:12,959
Speaker 2: all that different For carolina what they have Ahead, yukon et.

584
00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:17,560
Speaker 2: Cetera the question on the table is does women's college

585
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:20,880
Speaker 2: basketball still have a real problem of when you get

586
00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:24,680
Speaker 2: to The sweet sixteen and the points spread between Two

587
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:28,920
Speaker 2: Big ten teams is nineteen and a half. Points granting

588
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:31,680
Speaker 2: that The university Of minnesota program is just is still

589
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:34,840
Speaker 2: is just, emerging BUT i JUST i don't think that's

590
00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:35,120
Speaker 2: a good.

591
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:40,960
Speaker 4: Look, WELL i think it's they don't have the AND

592
00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:42,600
Speaker 4: i don't know that the men's. Game we can talk

593
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:45,680
Speaker 4: about the parody there and whether nil having the effect

594
00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:47,920
Speaker 4: that we all thought it. Would it's not the cinerella

595
00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:51,400
Speaker 4: that's been a national. Storyline they don't have that. Now

596
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:57,440
Speaker 4: is it becoming, better, yes but you still look At

597
00:32:57,480 --> 00:33:00,960
Speaker 4: yukon The South carolina, years THIS u c L a,

598
00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:04,360
Speaker 4: TEAM i would BE i think most people SAY U.

599
00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:06,200
Speaker 4: C L. A ukon is going to be your national title,

600
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:07,720
Speaker 4: game And i'll be a little bit surprised if it's. Not,

601
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:10,760
Speaker 4: yeah they're just that. Good so there's still a pretty

602
00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:14,440
Speaker 4: big GAP i think between the top programs and even

603
00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:18,600
Speaker 4: the you, know the higher pier programs that are in

604
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:23,840
Speaker 4: The big ten OR sec or. Wherever SO i don't

605
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:26,320
Speaker 4: know how you saw that. Nil you, know we thought

606
00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:28,440
Speaker 4: that was going to be a kind of an equalizer

607
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:32,080
Speaker 4: in college. SPORTS i think it has to some degree

608
00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:38,080
Speaker 4: in football, basketball it really hasn't the way we, thought

609
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:42,080
Speaker 4: at least based on Marsh madness is and so but,

610
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:45,280
Speaker 4: NO i, mean THIS ucla team is. Dynamite you, know

611
00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:48,520
Speaker 4: obviously they're gonna have a top five pick with bats

612
00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:51,160
Speaker 4: in the wn B a and they're just big and

613
00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:55,400
Speaker 4: athletic and really. Skilled So gophers will have to you,

614
00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:58,520
Speaker 4: know it's gonna be a monumental, effort uh to get passed.

615
00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:03,800
Speaker 4: In but but, yeah it's It's, uh there's still a

616
00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:07,000
Speaker 4: hierarchy in women's college basketball that you, know these other

617
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:08,080
Speaker 4: teams haven't been able to crack.

618
00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:11,799
Speaker 2: Yet, yeah And i'm talking about the hierarchy in the

619
00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:15,719
Speaker 2: on the women's side is even between teams in the

620
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:18,640
Speaker 2: same super. Conferences that's to, me what's different than the

621
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:21,399
Speaker 2: than the mid major. Stuff when we're talking about the men's,

622
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:23,520
Speaker 2: sports are the men's side of college?

623
00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:26,640
Speaker 1: Basketball It it doesn't appear.

624
00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:34,040
Speaker 2: That The Golden golpher men's Hockey subway alumni are overjoyed

625
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:37,520
Speaker 2: with the announcement That Brett larson is going to Replace

626
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:42,560
Speaker 2: moscow as head. Coach are you as underwhelmed as they

627
00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:45,080
Speaker 2: seem to be or they do they live in some

628
00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:46,440
Speaker 2: sort of a dream world at this.

629
00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:49,480
Speaker 4: Point, YEAH i think there's a little bit of, That

630
00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:52,719
Speaker 4: like Is Scottie bowman not? AVAILABLE i think you.

631
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:56,719
Speaker 1: Could go With Jacola. Mara, myself that's just.

632
00:34:56,760 --> 00:35:01,280
Speaker 4: Me there is still a little bit THAT i remember years,

633
00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:04,560
Speaker 4: ago not years, ago then when was? It guards help

634
00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:06,600
Speaker 4: me In philadelphia when they want when they lost in

635
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:11,920
Speaker 4: the national title game To union twenty five year old

636
00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:13,960
Speaker 4: they're all twenty four and twenty five year old, Guys and,

637
00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:16,719
Speaker 4: YEAH i remember talking to A go for official AND i, said,

638
00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:20,319
Speaker 4: well tough, team and this person, said you, know kind

639
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:23,439
Speaker 4: of belief that We're. MINNESOTA i sort of still think

640
00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:28,359
Speaker 4: there's that kind of attitude that we still think it's

641
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:32,520
Speaker 4: The minnesota hockey and it, is but it's college hockey has.

642
00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:36,040
Speaker 4: Changed more good, programs more people are investing in, it

643
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:39,799
Speaker 4: more people are doing the junior route transfer. PORTAL i, mean,

644
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:41,960
Speaker 4: look look What Penn state is, doing the amount of

645
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:44,279
Speaker 4: money that they're pouring into their hockey program right, now

646
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:47,720
Speaker 4: and SO i think the landscape has. Changed it's still

647
00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:50,400
Speaker 4: it still should be a premier program because you're in

648
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:52,600
Speaker 4: the state of hockey and you have the facilities and all.

649
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:57,000
Speaker 4: That BUT i think there's within their fan base there's

650
00:35:57,000 --> 00:35:59,399
Speaker 4: an expectation that you're going to get the very best

651
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:02,279
Speaker 4: whoever you, want name your, Price we're gonna go get.

652
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:04,799
Speaker 4: YOU i think there's that that. ATTITUDE i don't know

653
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:09,000
Speaker 4: a lot About Brett. LARSON i saw brock Favored russo

654
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:11,799
Speaker 4: tweeted out a pretty glowing quote from. Him i'll take

655
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:16,600
Speaker 4: brock favors opinion on. It, SO i, MEAN i know

656
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:18,960
Speaker 4: it's a hard place to Win Saint Claus, state and he,

657
00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:21,840
Speaker 4: was you, know his resume was better early than it

658
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:24,520
Speaker 4: has been. Late BUT i know you talk about programs

659
00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:27,440
Speaker 4: that don't have a lot of resources there to win.

660
00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:31,960
Speaker 4: There SO i think you probably have to give the

661
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:34,759
Speaker 4: guy more than fifteen minutes chance to prove that he

662
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:39,560
Speaker 4: can do it. Right, so you, KNOW i do think

663
00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:43,960
Speaker 4: from WHAT i could gather talking to, people there was

664
00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:47,200
Speaker 4: still a lot of interest within the coaching community for

665
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:49,200
Speaker 4: this job because it is still Minnesot it is still

666
00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:52,960
Speaker 4: a premier. Job BUT i think there's just these expectations

667
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:54,399
Speaker 4: with their fan base that you're going to be able

668
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:54,960
Speaker 4: to get whoever you.

669
00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:58,200
Speaker 1: Want is if the stories are.

670
00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:01,279
Speaker 2: True THE i think has been written a number of,

671
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:04,520
Speaker 2: places is At augustana guy that we had interest in,

672
00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:07,600
Speaker 2: him but he had no interest in coming. Here if

673
00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:11,520
Speaker 2: that is, reported has been reported, Accurately is that a?

674
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:16,120
Speaker 4: Concern, uh it would it's it's stops you in your

675
00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:18,640
Speaker 4: tracks a little. Bit, yeah but you're thinking you're getting

676
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:21,959
Speaker 4: turned down for a gain to State. Augustana but without knowing,

677
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:25,719
Speaker 4: him without knowing his family. Situation did he grow up?

678
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:28,359
Speaker 4: There did you know kids go to. SCHOOL i don't

679
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:31,520
Speaker 4: know his whole background and situation. There but if it's

680
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:34,319
Speaker 4: JUST i THINK i have a better situation here THAN

681
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:37,839
Speaker 4: i do, THERE i would say that's a. Problem that's

682
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:41,600
Speaker 4: not a good. Look so but you have to dig

683
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:43,520
Speaker 4: deeper into it and find, out like what is you

684
00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:47,400
Speaker 4: know his circumstances were and why he elected to do,

685
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:50,400
Speaker 4: that BECAUSE i think early, on right After bob was

686
00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:53,240
Speaker 4: they had to whatever you call, it partying a. WAYS

687
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:57,000
Speaker 4: i think a lot of, outlets a lot of reporters

688
00:37:57,040 --> 00:37:59,560
Speaker 4: were identifying him as kind of the lead. Guy everybody

689
00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:01,480
Speaker 4: thought he was to be a slam dunk and SO

690
00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:04,560
Speaker 4: i think that's WHY i so jarring when a d

691
00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:08,879
Speaker 4: tweeted you staying here for a long. Time so if

692
00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:10,920
Speaker 4: that's the, case if he just felt like that's a

693
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:13,920
Speaker 4: better place to win than, here then you probably need

694
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:17,200
Speaker 4: to do some self inspection if You're Mark cool and

695
00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:22,200
Speaker 4: find out are you given enough, resources, nil institutional, support

696
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:25,560
Speaker 4: all those. Things and IT'S i Know mark has really

697
00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:28,480
Speaker 4: try to pour a lot of money into basketball because

698
00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:31,080
Speaker 4: they need to get those two programs in a better.

699
00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:34,399
Speaker 4: Spot SO i don't know if that's you're taking away

700
00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:36,440
Speaker 4: something from hockey or is they're just not enough for

701
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:40,160
Speaker 4: hockey to. Give that's something they have to really analyze, internally.

702
00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:45,160
Speaker 2: Though is it fair to start calling AS i Have

703
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:49,880
Speaker 2: Mark coyle the smiling. ASSASSIN i, mean he's he's fired

704
00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:52,640
Speaker 2: a lot of, coaches and you know there's people who,

705
00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:55,000
Speaker 2: say you go all the way back to The wayland. Decision,

706
00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:57,600
Speaker 2: well however that was presented at the, time it was

707
00:38:57,640 --> 00:39:00,840
Speaker 2: pretty much clear that they he wanted to make a.

708
00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:04,600
Speaker 2: Change you, could you could make the. Arguments then then

709
00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:07,839
Speaker 2: some people did it doesn't look, great but give her

710
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:11,320
Speaker 2: one more year with the people she. Has the same

711
00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:15,320
Speaker 2: argument was made With Ben, johnson right to a certain,

712
00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:18,960
Speaker 2: extent and there are certainly people making it About moscow

713
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:23,840
Speaker 2: And Brad. Frost so what is what is the approach

714
00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:28,879
Speaker 2: on these sports that the ad has? Taken what does

715
00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:32,400
Speaker 2: that tell us about his? APPROACH i guess his, style

716
00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:35,759
Speaker 2: even though we of course rarely hear from him directly or.

717
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:39,640
Speaker 4: Publicly, yeah and he's you, know he clearly is not

718
00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:42,040
Speaker 4: a guy who likes to be out there much and

719
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:44,680
Speaker 4: he wants to be behind the. Scenes but if you

720
00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:49,200
Speaker 4: talk to, people he's very convicted behind the scenes that

721
00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:51,360
Speaker 4: if he doesn't think something's going, right he's going to

722
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:52,879
Speaker 4: make a. Change and we've seen. THAT i, mean this

723
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:54,759
Speaker 4: is year ten and he's Made you, know if an

724
00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:56,920
Speaker 4: eighties any place for ten, years there's gonna be a

725
00:39:57,000 --> 00:40:01,280
Speaker 4: number of coaching. Changes BUT i AND i remember talking

726
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:06,360
Speaker 4: to him one time after The Tracy clay's, firing and

727
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:08,840
Speaker 4: there was other. Things obviously we know about the, investigation

728
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:12,239
Speaker 4: but he looked out AT Tcf Banks stadium on A,

729
00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:16,759
Speaker 4: saturday multiple, saturdays and saw that thing half, empty and

730
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:19,600
Speaker 4: it really bothered. HIM i think he did the same

731
00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:22,359
Speaker 4: thing With Ben. Johnson he saw their attendance and how

732
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:25,959
Speaker 4: low it was and just the how the fan base

733
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:29,200
Speaker 4: had really kind of lost confidence in the basketball. Program

734
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:32,920
Speaker 4: AND i think what we're seeing With mark is he

735
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:36,480
Speaker 4: would rather make a decision today than put it off

736
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:38,719
Speaker 4: and hope it gets better if there's not evidence that

737
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:42,000
Speaker 4: it's going to turn. Around and so you don't want

738
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:44,840
Speaker 4: to take your cues from how many people are in the.

739
00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:48,320
Speaker 4: Stands but if you're around your programs and you're on

740
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:50,160
Speaker 4: the team's you get a sense of how your fan

741
00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:54,359
Speaker 4: base feels about their confidence, level their, enthusiasm whether it's,

742
00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:58,160
Speaker 4: donations whether it's going to. Games you get a sense

743
00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:00,520
Speaker 4: that people believe in what you're, doing and if they,

744
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:02,840
Speaker 4: don't if they've lost if your fans have lost, BELIEF

745
00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:04,920
Speaker 4: i think that's when he gets a SENSE i need

746
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:07,640
Speaker 4: to make a change here and try to figure something else.

747
00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:10,799
Speaker 4: Out AND i, think you, know just we don't see

748
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:13,560
Speaker 4: him give a lot of public talks and, everything BUT

749
00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:17,000
Speaker 4: i think he has a pretty good sense of what's each,

750
00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:20,680
Speaker 4: program where they're, at and where it's. Going and so

751
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:23,560
Speaker 4: if he feels like he's going to make a, decision

752
00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:25,520
Speaker 4: he's got to make a coach and change twelve months from,

753
00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:27,920
Speaker 4: NOW i think He'll he's looking at us, like let's

754
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:28,359
Speaker 4: just make it.

755
00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:31,480
Speaker 2: Now as an individual who writes a lot on high

756
00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:36,319
Speaker 2: school sports and certainly college sports long even before you

757
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:38,960
Speaker 2: were writing, columns and you've, CONTINUED i think to try

758
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:42,440
Speaker 2: to make those your emphasis emphasies at times as. Well

759
00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:46,640
Speaker 2: how much awareness did you have over WHAT guardsi AND

760
00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:50,720
Speaker 2: i discussed early in the show that there is now

761
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:55,600
Speaker 2: a growing phenomenon sports related, again of athletes or would

762
00:41:55,680 --> 00:42:01,959
Speaker 2: be athletes, retaking for, example eighth grade to give their

763
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:06,720
Speaker 2: bodies but a greater chance to mature and to get

764
00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:08,720
Speaker 2: a head of the sports.

765
00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:09,920
Speaker 1: Masters did you know about this?

766
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:13,560
Speaker 4: PHENOMENON i heard you in the first. SEGMENT i did

767
00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:16,440
Speaker 4: not know about. It the only RECLASSIFICATION i was aware

768
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:18,520
Speaker 4: of is like What Cooper flagg, did yices we could

769
00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:22,680
Speaker 4: get to college a year. EARLIER i had not heard.

770
00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:25,520
Speaker 4: That but when you were talking about, IT i will

771
00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:29,160
Speaker 4: sit here and SAY i wasn't surprised if anybody had

772
00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:33,400
Speaker 4: spent any time around youth, sports travel, sports high school,

773
00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:43,600
Speaker 4: sports the level of, commitments, money parent involvement. PRESSURE i

774
00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:47,279
Speaker 4: went to the high school the boy hockey tournament a

775
00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:49,040
Speaker 4: couple of weeks ago WHEN i was talking with some,

776
00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:53,319
Speaker 4: fans some parents dan and they told me that they

777
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:57,320
Speaker 4: spend between twenty and twenty five thousand dollars per year

778
00:42:57,440 --> 00:43:01,640
Speaker 4: per kid on youth. HOCKEY i don't know who has

779
00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:02,840
Speaker 4: that kind of. MONEY i don't have that kind of,

780
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:06,680
Speaker 4: money but that's just. It it sounds like that's pretty

781
00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:11,440
Speaker 4: typical between, training you, know the, equipment, travel all the

782
00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:14,760
Speaker 4: things that they put into it and so and now

783
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:17,200
Speaker 4: you put in how these kids in college are making

784
00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:19,279
Speaker 4: one hundred thousand, dollars some of them are making a

785
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:22,560
Speaker 4: million dollars through nil and rev. Share you think that's

786
00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:24,719
Speaker 4: not going to trickle down and Create, hey my kid

787
00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:27,320
Speaker 4: can get wealthy in college by being a college. Athlete

788
00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:31,279
Speaker 4: that's why you're seeing parents get coaches, out you, Know

789
00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:34,960
Speaker 4: austin from. Programs, yes that's why you see. Transfers that's

790
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:36,520
Speaker 4: why you see all the things that we're seeing at

791
00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:40,560
Speaker 4: the high school. Level it's because there's just This i've

792
00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:42,279
Speaker 4: got to keep. Up i've got to keep, up you,

793
00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:44,480
Speaker 4: know whether to get a scholarship or whether just to

794
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:46,000
Speaker 4: make the varsity. TEAM i got to do these things

795
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:47,640
Speaker 4: because everybody else is. THAT i don't want to get left.

796
00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:50,080
Speaker 4: Behind so it doesn't surprise. Me that's just kind of

797
00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:51,239
Speaker 4: a tentacle to this arms.

798
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:55,480
Speaker 2: RACE i, think as you lay it, out it's it

799
00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:59,480
Speaker 2: shouldn't shock, anybody But I'LL i will do a back

800
00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:01,840
Speaker 2: in my day enough or get off my lawn to

801
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:04,240
Speaker 2: say you can do it however you. Want and maybe

802
00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:06,319
Speaker 2: this is the way it has to. Go but it

803
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:11,319
Speaker 2: has nothing to do with certainly the scholastic sports THAT

804
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:15,600
Speaker 2: i remember growing up, watching for example In, Gary, indiana

805
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:20,080
Speaker 2: especially the, basketball nothing to do with any of, this

806
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:24,120
Speaker 2: AND i feel sad about. THAT i understand why we're

807
00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:27,040
Speaker 2: where we, are And i'm not here lecturing because as you,

808
00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:30,080
Speaker 2: say there's probably too much money. Involved BUT i think

809
00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:33,160
Speaker 2: all of, it all of, it you, know holding people

810
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:38,040
Speaker 2: back extra, years having kids in college play seven, years,

811
00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:41,160
Speaker 2: whatever all of it does come at a price THAT i,

812
00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:44,839
Speaker 2: THINK i think we're all the worse for what it

813
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:49,040
Speaker 2: has taken away from WHAT i think most of us remember,

814
00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:52,320
Speaker 2: about certainly high school sports and maybe even college sports

815
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:52,520
Speaker 2: to a.

816
00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:54,239
Speaker 1: Degree well it.

817
00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:57,879
Speaker 4: IS i mean it's you, know guys of our, age

818
00:44:57,920 --> 00:45:01,000
Speaker 4: we just remember it a certain, way and you can

819
00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:04,520
Speaker 4: you can have these conversations with people and we can complain, about,

820
00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:08,200
Speaker 4: man why are we doing, this and then you turn

821
00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:10,160
Speaker 4: around and, say, well what's your kid doing what they're?

822
00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:12,520
Speaker 4: Doing you're getting this, Training well we better get that training.

823
00:45:12,520 --> 00:45:16,239
Speaker 4: Too so it's like it really Is dan just because

824
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:17,879
Speaker 4: we all want best for our, kids, Right we want

825
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:19,480
Speaker 4: our kids to have the best. Chance we want to

826
00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:21,479
Speaker 4: be able to be onto vr sity have it playing,

827
00:45:21,560 --> 00:45:23,880
Speaker 4: time not evenlar colors. Scholarship i'm just saying to have

828
00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:27,399
Speaker 4: the experience that you see what everybody's doing and it's

829
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:30,279
Speaker 4: just a giant game OF i gotta keep. Pace BUT

830
00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:32,799
Speaker 4: i can't have to keep pace because everyone else is

831
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:34,360
Speaker 4: doing it and you don't want to get left. Behind

832
00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:38,520
Speaker 4: it's is it? Unhealthy probably in a lot of, cases

833
00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:41,719
Speaker 4: but it's this is where it's, at you, know and

834
00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:43,759
Speaker 4: parents are just spending the money and the kids want

835
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:45,359
Speaker 4: to do. It and it's not to say that they're

836
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:47,719
Speaker 4: being forced to do. It kids want to have, this

837
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:49,200
Speaker 4: they want to have this. Experience it's kind of the,

838
00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:52,960
Speaker 4: expectation but it's is it out of? Control it's probably

839
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:55,400
Speaker 4: depends on your perspective of what out of control.

840
00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:59,919
Speaker 2: Means let's finish up with a chance to. Review would

841
00:45:59,920 --> 00:46:02,319
Speaker 2: you just a little bit about the reaction you have

842
00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:07,319
Speaker 2: received to a story THAT i think dropped at startubeat dot.

843
00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:10,920
Speaker 2: COM i think it Was march, first, actually and it's

844
00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:13,680
Speaker 2: a subject that we had been we had discussed on this.

845
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:18,480
Speaker 2: PROGRAM i Mean guardsy and me with a national guest

846
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:23,600
Speaker 2: was FROM, espn, right Guards, dan we, exactly and you

847
00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:28,360
Speaker 2: found a localizing of that national tragedy having to do

848
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:33,440
Speaker 2: with sextortion, cases in this case centering around a family

849
00:46:34,680 --> 00:46:41,000
Speaker 2: out Of, Olivia. Minnesota remind folks what was in that,

850
00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:43,239
Speaker 2: story how they can get, it AND i for, me most,

851
00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:47,000
Speaker 2: importantly what kind of reaction you've received since it dropped

852
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:48,000
Speaker 2: at the beginning Of.

853
00:46:48,040 --> 00:46:50,880
Speaker 4: March, yeah And dan did the first That wessel did

854
00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:54,000
Speaker 4: the first, story and he mentioned in that story that

855
00:46:54,040 --> 00:46:56,680
Speaker 4: there was a kid Named Carter brimson From olivia who

856
00:46:56,680 --> 00:46:57,880
Speaker 4: had taken his trife.

857
00:46:57,640 --> 00:46:59,240
Speaker 1: Of sextortion without any details.

858
00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:03,080
Speaker 4: Contact, yeah SO i Contacted carter's parents and sat down

859
00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:04,840
Speaker 4: with him a number of, times and they wanted to

860
00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:09,040
Speaker 4: really get his story out because they've become passionate advocates

861
00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:13,920
Speaker 4: for people parents to understand what sex stortion. IS i

862
00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:16,520
Speaker 4: think probably a lot of your listeners have heard about

863
00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:19,400
Speaker 4: it by. NOW i won't go into great detail about,

864
00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:21,839
Speaker 4: that But carter's who was a sixteen year old kid

865
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:24,440
Speaker 4: who you, know took his life after being sex storted

866
00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:29,640
Speaker 4: by somebody In, nigeria sent him a photo of a

867
00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:33,920
Speaker 4: new picture of himself and it was blackmailed for. Money

868
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:36,000
Speaker 4: they were going to threaten and send it to everybody

869
00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:38,960
Speaker 4: and his family and friends and all. That it's a

870
00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:42,760
Speaker 4: very very serious and scary. Topic it's happening a lot

871
00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:48,480
Speaker 4: more than people. Know hopefully that. Story The brincett family

872
00:47:48,520 --> 00:47:50,560
Speaker 4: wants people to read. It you can read, it start

873
00:47:50,560 --> 00:47:53,960
Speaker 4: tobune dot. Com more than, anything they want parents to

874
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:55,799
Speaker 4: be able to talk to the. Kids and it's, uncomfortable.

875
00:47:56,000 --> 00:48:00,600
Speaker 4: RIGHT i can't imagine thirteen year old me telling my

876
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:03,759
Speaker 4: mom and DAD i send A newd photo to. SOMEONE i.

877
00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:07,640
Speaker 4: Can't but you're if it, happens just them know you're

878
00:48:07,640 --> 00:48:09,800
Speaker 4: not in trouble and you can come to your, Parents

879
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:12,440
Speaker 4: you can talk to them. Parents that's probably the message

880
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:13,960
Speaker 4: you should tell. Them you're not in, trouble you're Not

881
00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:18,120
Speaker 4: we're here to help. You SO i hope people really investigate,

882
00:48:18,200 --> 00:48:19,840
Speaker 4: It google the, story come to it and find it

883
00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:23,439
Speaker 4: and read. It because THE bca agent special in charge

884
00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:25,920
Speaker 4: WHO i worked with us, story she called it a. Pandemic,

885
00:48:26,200 --> 00:48:30,200
Speaker 4: man and it's happening the, hundreds if not thousands of

886
00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:34,879
Speaker 4: kids in this state and across the country with. Regularity

887
00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:39,920
Speaker 4: and the more awareness there, IS i think it's the

888
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:42,400
Speaker 4: more opportunities parents can to help their kids that if

889
00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:44,279
Speaker 4: they get in that, situation they'll know what to.

890
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:49,120
Speaker 2: Do and as you well, know the key to that

891
00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:54,239
Speaker 2: story was the cooperation of the, Family and that's to,

892
00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:59,160
Speaker 2: me it is you want to talk about stuff that

893
00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:02,120
Speaker 2: can't be, easy that can't be easy to relive that

894
00:49:02,600 --> 00:49:06,040
Speaker 2: in as public a way as you're going to to

895
00:49:06,120 --> 00:49:08,799
Speaker 2: give you the, access the excellent access that you. Got

896
00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:12,239
Speaker 2: and So i've said this, BEFORE i think when the,

897
00:49:12,280 --> 00:49:16,759
Speaker 2: story when the story first, APPEARED i just have so

898
00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:22,240
Speaker 2: much respect for the family's willingness to go public about

899
00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:25,640
Speaker 2: something that had to be just devastating to have to.

900
00:49:25,640 --> 00:49:27,920
Speaker 2: Relive it's so understandable that people want to go private

901
00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:30,279
Speaker 2: right and Go i'm. DONE i can't go back down this.

902
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:33,600
Speaker 2: Road they chose to be more selfless about it for

903
00:49:33,640 --> 00:49:35,799
Speaker 2: the reasons that you laid, out to see if at

904
00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:39,640
Speaker 2: the very least there could be positive impact that helps

905
00:49:39,680 --> 00:49:42,319
Speaker 2: not just, kids as you, say but parents probably most,

906
00:49:42,320 --> 00:49:43,239
Speaker 2: importantly and.

907
00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:43,960
Speaker 1: How to process.

908
00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:47,320
Speaker 2: This SO i just speak so highly of their willingness

909
00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:48,680
Speaker 2: to give you the access that you.

910
00:49:48,760 --> 00:49:52,759
Speaker 4: Received, yeah And i've been. Flooded you talked about the.

911
00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:56,200
Speaker 4: Feedback i've been flooded with emails from parents and thank

912
00:49:56,239 --> 00:49:58,080
Speaker 4: you for doing. THIS i wasn't aware of. It i'd

913
00:49:58,120 --> 00:49:59,520
Speaker 4: never heard this Term i'm going to talk to my

914
00:49:59,600 --> 00:50:02,160
Speaker 4: kid about and that's what they, wanted And i'll share with.

915
00:50:02,239 --> 00:50:05,799
Speaker 4: You you talked about my story on Your sunday show

916
00:50:06,120 --> 00:50:09,919
Speaker 4: when it came, out And carter's Dad, Dan his parents

917
00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:12,000
Speaker 4: Are jamie And, dan WHO i have just so much

918
00:50:12,160 --> 00:50:15,160
Speaker 4: respect for their courage to share his. Story But dan

919
00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:18,160
Speaker 4: was listening to that and that meant so much to. Him,

920
00:50:18,200 --> 00:50:20,120
Speaker 4: SORRY i get a little choked up here that you

921
00:50:20,560 --> 00:50:23,440
Speaker 4: talked about on your, show because they want people to

922
00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:25,319
Speaker 4: know About carter the. Person but they want people to

923
00:50:25,360 --> 00:50:28,960
Speaker 4: know about what sextortion is and email me AND i

924
00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:31,120
Speaker 4: shared it with you. Privately that meant so much to

925
00:50:31,160 --> 00:50:33,279
Speaker 4: them that you would talk about their son on your.

926
00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:36,360
Speaker 4: Show and that's what it's, about you, know is raising that.

927
00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:39,200
Speaker 4: Awareness and they're just great people and, it's you, know

928
00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:41,120
Speaker 4: so heartbreaking what they've gone. Through and to have the

929
00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:43,360
Speaker 4: strength to be able to sit down with me a

930
00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:47,000
Speaker 4: number of times and just articulate how they're feeling and

931
00:50:47,040 --> 00:50:49,439
Speaker 4: what their kid was like and what he went. THROUGH

932
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:52,439
Speaker 4: i can't even imagine the courage that. Took So i'm

933
00:50:53,080 --> 00:50:55,239
Speaker 4: forever indebted to them and still talk to them AND

934
00:50:55,360 --> 00:50:57,239
Speaker 4: i think we're going to have dinner here as. Soon

935
00:50:57,320 --> 00:51:01,680
Speaker 4: we still keep in. Touch but the response parents are

936
00:51:01,760 --> 00:51:03,759
Speaker 4: finding out about and learning about AND i hope you,

937
00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:06,040
Speaker 4: know people listening today if they have it to go

938
00:51:06,080 --> 00:51:07,680
Speaker 4: find a story and read it and learn about. It.

939
00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:10,800
Speaker 2: Yeah it was such a well told story and difficult

940
00:51:10,840 --> 00:51:13,120
Speaker 2: story to, do but very well. Told and as you,

941
00:51:13,160 --> 00:51:17,759
Speaker 2: say the key to it is probably getting past the

942
00:51:17,920 --> 00:51:21,719
Speaker 2: front end understandable. Stigma they, go my, god what are

943
00:51:21,719 --> 00:51:23,360
Speaker 2: people going to think about me as a? Parent and

944
00:51:23,440 --> 00:51:26,320
Speaker 2: my kid would send a photo like this and that's

945
00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:28,799
Speaker 2: what you have to get, past, Right you have to

946
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:31,640
Speaker 2: get past whatever you feel about, that because if you,

947
00:51:31,719 --> 00:51:36,239
Speaker 2: don't it encourages other children to, Think i'll never get

948
00:51:36,280 --> 00:51:39,440
Speaker 2: out of this, morass and that sometimes has led to

949
00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:43,319
Speaker 2: the worst, end which is taking one's own. Life and to,

950
00:51:43,360 --> 00:51:46,120
Speaker 2: me that's the, story the notion that. Needed this might

951
00:51:46,160 --> 00:51:49,279
Speaker 2: not be fun for a, while but there will be

952
00:51:49,520 --> 00:51:51,600
Speaker 2: you will get to the other side of, this and

953
00:51:51,640 --> 00:51:53,200
Speaker 2: we will be there with you to get you.

954
00:51:53,239 --> 00:51:58,920
Speaker 4: There kids make, mistakes and everybody talked to the experts,

955
00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:01,880
Speaker 4: saying even if you do something that you, regret, yeah

956
00:52:01,960 --> 00:52:05,399
Speaker 4: or that embarrasses you're not the. Problem the person that's

957
00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:07,680
Speaker 4: doing this to, you they're the in the. Wrong they're the.

958
00:52:07,680 --> 00:52:10,360
Speaker 4: Criminal you didn't do anything. Wrong if, hey you made a,

959
00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:14,880
Speaker 4: mistake but just know that you're not, alone and you

960
00:52:14,920 --> 00:52:17,920
Speaker 4: can tell your, parents and that's where the. Parents you,

961
00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:21,680
Speaker 4: know you don't want to shame the. Kids it's not about.

962
00:52:21,680 --> 00:52:24,680
Speaker 4: Shaming as the BC's agent, said stop shaming the. Kiddos

963
00:52:24,719 --> 00:52:26,960
Speaker 4: they didn't do anything. Wrong it's the people they are doing.

964
00:52:26,960 --> 00:52:29,840
Speaker 4: This they're doing the. Wrong so having that conversation with

965
00:52:29,920 --> 00:52:31,120
Speaker 4: him that, hey if you you, know if you do

966
00:52:31,160 --> 00:52:34,000
Speaker 4: something that's you. Regret we can figure anything, Out we

967
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:36,680
Speaker 4: can solve. Anything just come to us and we'll help.

968
00:52:36,719 --> 00:52:39,799
Speaker 2: You uh say thank you for the time safe travels To.

969
00:52:39,960 --> 00:52:44,000
Speaker 2: Sacramento because it does occur to me THAT i kidded

970
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:45,440
Speaker 2: you about whether you're going to have to take the

971
00:52:45,480 --> 00:52:47,880
Speaker 2: hound out, there you, know take The boss or. Drive

972
00:52:48,440 --> 00:52:50,719
Speaker 2: but you know what you could have, done AND i

973
00:52:50,760 --> 00:52:53,200
Speaker 2: think he would have been agreeable to it because.

974
00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:54,359
Speaker 1: He loves to travel by.

975
00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:57,280
Speaker 2: CAR i think you might be able to Convince mace

976
00:52:57,840 --> 00:52:59,600
Speaker 2: to drive you out there and you can have a

977
00:52:59,680 --> 00:53:03,879
Speaker 2: nice bonding cross country, experience see the country the way

978
00:53:03,880 --> 00:53:05,960
Speaker 2: our Guy Glenn mason now does on a regular.

979
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:10,719
Speaker 1: Basis are you? Probably then, AGAIN i don't think He.

980
00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:15,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe maybe not such a great idea after, ALL

981
00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:15,960
Speaker 2: i come.

982
00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:17,960
Speaker 4: To think of, IT i would do it WITH i

983
00:53:17,960 --> 00:53:18,440
Speaker 4: would do With.

984
00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:21,440
Speaker 2: Maith, well you guys have buried the hatchet just like

985
00:53:21,480 --> 00:53:22,960
Speaker 2: we have to a certain. Extent but you know how

986
00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:25,280
Speaker 2: that is when you're a close proximity to, him sometimes

987
00:53:25,280 --> 00:53:27,240
Speaker 2: he still wants to bury the hatchet in our heads

988
00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:28,200
Speaker 2: for stuff that he.

989
00:53:28,239 --> 00:53:29,520
Speaker 1: Thinks, Right i'm sure you.

990
00:53:29,480 --> 00:53:32,000
Speaker 4: Would complain about my driving or try to talk me

991
00:53:32,040 --> 00:53:32,480
Speaker 4: in to write the.

992
00:53:32,520 --> 00:53:35,839
Speaker 1: Book, yes for, both that's, ongoing no. Question you could

993
00:53:35,840 --> 00:53:37,840
Speaker 1: do the book in the in the passenger. Seat there you.

994
00:53:37,880 --> 00:53:39,960
Speaker 2: Go you just get it done to the. Audio, yeah

995
00:53:40,040 --> 00:53:43,399
Speaker 2: just st you're, done and then you got. Tapes get him.

996
00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:45,440
Speaker 2: Transcribed you're, In you're halfway halfway.

997
00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:49,000
Speaker 4: There don't don't put the thought in his. Head you'll

998
00:53:49,040 --> 00:53:51,960
Speaker 4: have me. Driving he'll be a passenger seat with me

999
00:53:52,040 --> 00:53:53,920
Speaker 4: AND i can see him. Now i'm gon get it this.

1000
00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:56,279
Speaker 4: Way he's gonna call me probably in a half. Hour, no,

1001
00:53:56,680 --> 00:53:57,560
Speaker 4: MAN i just heard this.

1002
00:53:57,640 --> 00:54:01,160
Speaker 2: Idea lift do well HIS i think his dream is

1003
00:54:01,480 --> 00:54:07,000
Speaker 2: that all that, you me And roycey are try byline

1004
00:54:07,120 --> 00:54:09,799
Speaker 2: people on the but we all combine to. Write he

1005
00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:14,360
Speaker 2: thinks his career is worthy of at least three, writers maybe.

1006
00:54:14,360 --> 00:54:18,200
Speaker 4: More, uh probably a part two, too, right a part.

1007
00:54:18,200 --> 00:54:19,640
Speaker 4: Two he'll want to he won the second.

1008
00:54:19,680 --> 00:54:22,600
Speaker 2: Book. Yeah the only CHAPTER i would like to write

1009
00:54:22,640 --> 00:54:25,480
Speaker 2: is The Joel maturi chapter that that With MACE i would.

1010
00:54:25,560 --> 00:54:27,920
Speaker 2: ENJOY i have to admit, that in of itself might

1011
00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:31,680
Speaker 2: be worth all the other. Nonsense the The Mother maturi

1012
00:54:31,840 --> 00:54:33,760
Speaker 2: chapter as told By Glenn.

1013
00:54:33,800 --> 00:54:37,480
Speaker 4: Mason, uh you could do that, one And royce he

1014
00:54:37,520 --> 00:54:39,759
Speaker 4: could do the chapter about when he gave The turkey

1015
00:54:39,760 --> 00:54:40,480
Speaker 4: of the. Year that's.

1016
00:54:40,560 --> 00:54:42,880
Speaker 1: True there you, Go Thanks man.

1017
00:54:44,640 --> 00:54:44,719
Speaker 4: Was a.

1018
00:54:44,760 --> 00:54:48,680
Speaker 2: Pleasure, Chipskoggin Star tribune And Star tribune doc