1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:02,560 Speaker 1: This is a podcast from WOR. 2 00:00:03,000 --> 00:00:07,640 Speaker 2: Here's Larry Minty with more of the WR Saturday Morning Show. 3 00:00:08,039 --> 00:00:12,280 Speaker 1: If you think that the Epstein files have caused a ruckus, 4 00:00:12,320 --> 00:00:16,440 Speaker 1: have caused concern, have caused news stories in this story, 5 00:00:16,880 --> 00:00:19,759 Speaker 1: you ain't seen nothing yet. If you go across the 6 00:00:19,840 --> 00:00:24,279 Speaker 1: pond to Great Britain, there is an outright scandal and 7 00:00:24,320 --> 00:00:27,200 Speaker 1: there are calls even for the Prime Minister to resign. 8 00:00:27,600 --> 00:00:30,200 Speaker 1: To explain all of this, let's check in with Guy Davies, 9 00:00:30,280 --> 00:00:35,640 Speaker 1: ABC News correspondent in London. In London, Guy tell us 10 00:00:35,640 --> 00:00:39,400 Speaker 1: what's going on there? What it sounds like. The whole 11 00:00:40,080 --> 00:00:41,120 Speaker 1: island is infurre. 12 00:00:41,800 --> 00:00:45,800 Speaker 2: It's been an extraordinary couple of weeks. The Royal family 13 00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:49,880 Speaker 2: and the Prime Minister in the cross has under considerable 14 00:00:49,880 --> 00:00:53,480 Speaker 2: amount of criticism and scrutiny. They're talking about this being 15 00:00:53,840 --> 00:00:57,560 Speaker 2: the biggest crisis for the Royal family since nineteen thirty six, 16 00:00:57,640 --> 00:01:01,160 Speaker 2: since the application crisis. I mean, that's that's how deeply 17 00:01:01,600 --> 00:01:06,280 Speaker 2: this runs. And with Andrew, we've always known about him, 18 00:01:06,360 --> 00:01:08,800 Speaker 2: Prince that formerly known as Prince Andrew, I should say, 19 00:01:08,840 --> 00:01:12,400 Speaker 2: now he's had his royal status strips. He's now just 20 00:01:12,440 --> 00:01:16,240 Speaker 2: Andrew Mountbatton with we've always known about his associations with Epstein. 21 00:01:16,319 --> 00:01:20,280 Speaker 2: That have been questions about whether he has been forthcoming 22 00:01:20,360 --> 00:01:23,440 Speaker 2: about you know, the exact nature of their relationship. But 23 00:01:23,600 --> 00:01:26,440 Speaker 2: in the files there are two key things that seem 24 00:01:26,560 --> 00:01:30,280 Speaker 2: to have emerged that have put him in potentially now 25 00:01:30,400 --> 00:01:35,119 Speaker 2: facing a police investigation that's a criminal matter. One is 26 00:01:35,319 --> 00:01:37,800 Speaker 2: there seems to be evidence there's a new woman who's 27 00:01:37,840 --> 00:01:40,960 Speaker 2: come forward to suggests that she was flown to the 28 00:01:41,080 --> 00:01:47,559 Speaker 2: UK and potentially at a royal residence for sexual reasons. 29 00:01:47,200 --> 00:01:51,120 Speaker 2: That's been one of the lawyers in the US has 30 00:01:51,200 --> 00:01:55,720 Speaker 2: made that allegation. And secondly, when Andrew was a trade endvoy, 31 00:01:55,800 --> 00:01:57,760 Speaker 2: you know the Royal family, they have this kind of 32 00:01:58,200 --> 00:02:01,880 Speaker 2: strange relationship with the British government and they're kind of ambassadors 33 00:02:01,880 --> 00:02:05,520 Speaker 2: for US abroad. Well, Andrew was a trade envoy working 34 00:02:05,560 --> 00:02:08,639 Speaker 2: in Asia, and what's in the far seems to show 35 00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:12,480 Speaker 2: that when Andrew was sent an email account that appears 36 00:02:12,480 --> 00:02:15,160 Speaker 2: to be Andrew's. I should say these are all allegations 37 00:02:15,200 --> 00:02:18,680 Speaker 2: and there's nothing that suggests at this stage that he 38 00:02:18,880 --> 00:02:22,760 Speaker 2: is guilty of wrongdoing. Is when he was sent a 39 00:02:22,840 --> 00:02:27,119 Speaker 2: key trade document that minutes after that was forwarded onto 40 00:02:27,200 --> 00:02:30,200 Speaker 2: Jeffrey Epstein. Now this is in twenty ten and well 41 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:35,000 Speaker 2: after Jeffrey Epstein's conviction in the US, and Andrew has 42 00:02:35,080 --> 00:02:38,480 Speaker 2: kind of denied that they had this kind of close 43 00:02:38,560 --> 00:02:42,040 Speaker 2: relationship after that happened. Well, this would seem to suggest otherwise. 44 00:02:42,080 --> 00:02:44,680 Speaker 2: The police are now looking into it. They're talking to 45 00:02:44,760 --> 00:02:48,880 Speaker 2: their US counterparts and similarly, Peter Mandleson. It might not 46 00:02:48,960 --> 00:02:52,040 Speaker 2: be a household name in the US, but that's where 47 00:02:52,040 --> 00:02:55,280 Speaker 2: the Prime Minister comes in. He appointed Peter Manson to 48 00:02:55,280 --> 00:02:58,440 Speaker 2: be US ambassador in twenty twenty four. In part that 49 00:02:58,560 --> 00:03:01,640 Speaker 2: was because Manderson is seen as someone who is connected, 50 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:04,760 Speaker 2: who has lots of links in Washington, particularly at this 51 00:03:04,880 --> 00:03:07,560 Speaker 2: critical time when it comes to Trump in the White 52 00:03:07,600 --> 00:03:10,920 Speaker 2: House and alliances being tested, he was seen as a 53 00:03:11,000 --> 00:03:15,560 Speaker 2: key appointment. Well, his associations with Epscene were also known, 54 00:03:15,639 --> 00:03:20,360 Speaker 2: but not to this extent. He's also accused of potentially 55 00:03:20,440 --> 00:03:24,639 Speaker 2: handing over key government information. This relates to the two 56 00:03:24,680 --> 00:03:28,000 Speaker 2: thousand and eight crisis and the great bailout of the 57 00:03:28,040 --> 00:03:31,640 Speaker 2: banks in Europe that he is accused of potentially giving 58 00:03:31,639 --> 00:03:35,360 Speaker 2: Epstein advanced warning of that. That's a very serious charge 59 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:38,520 Speaker 2: and there also appears to be to transfer some seventy 60 00:03:38,600 --> 00:03:43,520 Speaker 2: five thousand dollars from accounts from Epstein's accounts to accounts 61 00:03:43,520 --> 00:03:46,800 Speaker 2: linked to Mandelson. So he's under and now facing a 62 00:03:46,840 --> 00:03:51,480 Speaker 2: full on police investigation. And in terms of how far 63 00:03:51,600 --> 00:03:54,560 Speaker 2: this scandal is reaching, this isn't just two individuals. Everyone 64 00:03:54,640 --> 00:03:57,400 Speaker 2: is asking who knew what and when. That includes the 65 00:03:57,400 --> 00:04:00,760 Speaker 2: Prime Minister and his team, but particularly the royal family. 66 00:04:00,840 --> 00:04:01,720 Speaker 2: This is a problem. 67 00:04:02,040 --> 00:04:04,800 Speaker 1: So there's going to be an investigation, I would take it. 68 00:04:04,840 --> 00:04:08,760 Speaker 1: There would also be some in parliament. Is there going 69 00:04:08,800 --> 00:04:11,040 Speaker 1: to be hearings? Is there going to be talks and 70 00:04:11,080 --> 00:04:12,680 Speaker 1: they get to call the Prime Minister in front of 71 00:04:13,240 --> 00:04:13,960 Speaker 1: in parliament? 72 00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:18,359 Speaker 2: Well, that's that's been one of the interesting things about 73 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:21,960 Speaker 2: this crisis. As yet, there is no public inquiry that 74 00:04:22,160 --> 00:04:26,200 Speaker 2: the kind that you might see developing out in the US, 75 00:04:26,240 --> 00:04:31,360 Speaker 2: you know, the public hearings, fiery lawmakers holding individual to accounts. 76 00:04:31,480 --> 00:04:34,880 Speaker 2: We're not there yet, and you know, that's why there 77 00:04:34,880 --> 00:04:37,479 Speaker 2: are so many questions about this. There's you know, with 78 00:04:37,600 --> 00:04:41,080 Speaker 2: the Epstein story, there's always a sense of a cover up, right, 79 00:04:41,360 --> 00:04:43,920 Speaker 2: There's always a sense that there are powerful people who 80 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:47,320 Speaker 2: knew something who are hiding information. Well, this is just 81 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:50,600 Speaker 2: the beginning of the crisis in the United Kingdom, Andrew, 82 00:04:50,839 --> 00:04:55,800 Speaker 2: is that the highest profile casualty, you say, of the 83 00:04:55,800 --> 00:04:59,560 Speaker 2: Epstein file so far? He's lost his royal status, He's 84 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:03,520 Speaker 2: but you know, a figure of pretty much universal ridical 85 00:05:03,560 --> 00:05:06,920 Speaker 2: and disgrace. I think it's I think that's the perception 86 00:05:07,160 --> 00:05:10,680 Speaker 2: of him in the UK. He's deeply unpopular. But this 87 00:05:10,800 --> 00:05:14,120 Speaker 2: could go further because this isn't just individuals. So this 88 00:05:14,240 --> 00:05:16,160 Speaker 2: is a crisis that is sweeping croft Europe. There are 89 00:05:16,160 --> 00:05:20,680 Speaker 2: former foreign ministers, former prime ministers in countries like Norway 90 00:05:20,839 --> 00:05:25,080 Speaker 2: who are being investigated for their links to Epstein. This 91 00:05:25,200 --> 00:05:28,520 Speaker 2: is really snowballing, and it's just the start. And you know, 92 00:05:28,680 --> 00:05:31,719 Speaker 2: this is such a treasure trobe of documents for investigators, 93 00:05:31,760 --> 00:05:36,560 Speaker 2: for journalists, for internet sleuths online, millions of documents. Well, 94 00:05:36,720 --> 00:05:39,520 Speaker 2: there could be more to come, and more powerful people 95 00:05:39,839 --> 00:05:43,920 Speaker 2: could soon be asked what their associations with Epstein? Why? 96 00:05:44,120 --> 00:05:48,360 Speaker 1: And when there are reports of intense pressure for Prime 97 00:05:48,400 --> 00:05:53,520 Speaker 1: Minister Starmer to step down, to resign, is that a 98 00:05:53,560 --> 00:05:55,560 Speaker 1: realistic possibility. 99 00:05:56,200 --> 00:05:59,880 Speaker 2: Well, it wasn't a very realistic possibility earlier this war. 100 00:06:00,360 --> 00:06:03,560 Speaker 2: He was under an immense amount of pressure. He seems 101 00:06:03,560 --> 00:06:06,320 Speaker 2: to have survived for now, but generally he is not 102 00:06:06,400 --> 00:06:09,880 Speaker 2: the most popular figure even in his own party. He's 103 00:06:09,920 --> 00:06:12,279 Speaker 2: seen as quite a ruthless operator, and it seems that 104 00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:16,159 Speaker 2: now he has rallied the key support that he needs 105 00:06:16,200 --> 00:06:19,000 Speaker 2: to survive this crisis, but it's definitely tested him and 106 00:06:19,040 --> 00:06:22,040 Speaker 2: it's not going to go away. There are still questions 107 00:06:22,040 --> 00:06:26,680 Speaker 2: that haven't been answered about the Mandelstone appointment. He's under 108 00:06:26,720 --> 00:06:32,240 Speaker 2: heavy scrutiny now and it's a twin crisis because it 109 00:06:32,320 --> 00:06:36,279 Speaker 2: both hits Starma and his party and they are not 110 00:06:36,400 --> 00:06:40,400 Speaker 2: doing particularly well in the polls, and also the royal family, 111 00:06:40,440 --> 00:06:43,880 Speaker 2: who are keenly aware of their public perception. The King 112 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:46,599 Speaker 2: has been heckled in the street twice in a week. 113 00:06:46,960 --> 00:06:49,640 Speaker 2: You wouldn't have seen that at all, if ever, during 114 00:06:49,880 --> 00:06:53,719 Speaker 2: Queen Elizabeth's reign for decades. So everyone is keenly to 115 00:06:53,800 --> 00:06:56,080 Speaker 2: kind of scrambling to figure out how they're going to 116 00:06:56,120 --> 00:07:00,520 Speaker 2: contain this crisis. While the potential for a why ranging 117 00:07:00,600 --> 00:07:03,680 Speaker 2: police investigation. We wait to see how this is all 118 00:07:03,720 --> 00:07:05,880 Speaker 2: going to develop. But there could be more file there 119 00:07:05,920 --> 00:07:09,360 Speaker 2: could be more documents to come. It's been a really 120 00:07:09,400 --> 00:07:12,600 Speaker 2: extraordinary two weeks and who would have thought, given how public. 121 00:07:12,640 --> 00:07:15,040 Speaker 2: This story has been in the United States that some 122 00:07:15,080 --> 00:07:18,040 Speaker 2: of the highest profile repercussions so far, it's been a 123 00:07:18,080 --> 00:07:20,360 Speaker 2: few weeks that these have now been public records would 124 00:07:20,360 --> 00:07:23,320 Speaker 2: be in the United Kingdom and not the United States exactly. 125 00:07:23,440 --> 00:07:25,720 Speaker 1: I was thinking the exact same thing as you said it, 126 00:07:25,800 --> 00:07:29,680 Speaker 1: Guy Davies, ABC News reporter and producer in London. Great job. 127 00:07:29,760 --> 00:07:31,800 Speaker 1: Thank you so much, Guy, thank you for your time. 128 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:34,680 Speaker 2: Thank you, Larry, thank you. This has been a podcast 129 00:07:34,800 --> 00:07:36,000 Speaker 2: from Wi