Speaker 1: Really really need some breaking news music, although this isn't
Speaker 1: breaking news. It's the nightcap on seven hundred WLWS. Johnny's
Speaker 1: theme will just have to do. I guess how you doing,
Speaker 1: Gary Jeff Well. Day twenty one is over and done,
Speaker 1: and we continue the federal government shutdown. They're not spending
Speaker 1: any of our money right now. That's kind of cool.
Speaker 1: They're not spending our money right now. I mean maybe
Speaker 1: stuff we want them to spend it on, especially people
Speaker 1: who work for a living, who have families to support,
Speaker 1: who are not getting a paycheck right now in this
Speaker 1: partial government shutdown, and of course the brave men and
Speaker 1: women of our military who are going to be missing
Speaker 1: paychecks right and left here if they don't get their
Speaker 1: act together. Political theater is the only reason they're not
Speaker 1: spending any of our money is Remember, the government doesn't
Speaker 1: have a wall of money somewhere in Washington, DC that
Speaker 1: they just pluck a stack of bills from. It all
Speaker 1: comes out of you, me, anyone that pays taxes. And
Speaker 1: believe me, even if you're not paying income tax, you're
Speaker 1: paying some kind of tax on something somewhere. All the
Speaker 1: fines and fees and everything at sales tax when you
Speaker 1: buy something, the money comes from us, and the people
Speaker 1: in Washington are supposed to represent us, but instead to
Speaker 1: try and get political cover so somebody like Chuck Schumer
Speaker 1: doesn't get primaried by AOC and lose his power in
Speaker 1: the Senate because of stuff like that. They disrupt other
Speaker 1: people's lives, and of course it really doesn't affect them
Speaker 1: unless we the people who give them our money to
Speaker 1: do things for us, unless we the people stand up
Speaker 1: and realize who the culprits are and the people who
Speaker 1: are blocking the road. I mean, there's an element of this.
Speaker 1: I'm not missing a paycheck because the federal government is
Speaker 1: shut down. You may not be either, but somebody is,
Speaker 1: and that can cause real hardship, at least for a
Speaker 1: short period of time. It's getting to be a longer
Speaker 1: and longer period of time. Senator might not senator, but
Speaker 1: Speaker of the House Mike Johnson every day comes out
Speaker 1: in details how it is hurting all of us US
Speaker 1: citizens that they're not spending our money and highlights the
Speaker 1: states that are dominated by Democrat senators who won't get
Speaker 1: up off their haunches and vote to keep the government open. Well,
Speaker 1: they can negotiate all the rest the end of the
Speaker 1: Obamacare subsidies and everything else that is not decided yet.
Speaker 1: But you need to remember Democrats put a sunset on
Speaker 1: Obamacare subsidies. They run out at the end of December.
Speaker 1: So if they're you know, waving their hands in the
Speaker 1: air with their heads on fire, saying, real people are
Speaker 1: going to lose their healthcare because Republicans won't renegotiate to
Speaker 1: keep the government open. It's literal male bovine fecal samples.
Speaker 1: And you know what that amounts to. It's October as
Speaker 1: we continue to be mired in the government shut down
Speaker 1: where they're not spending any of our money that we've
Speaker 1: given them, sometimes foolishly, in fact, I think most of
Speaker 1: the time foolishly. It's also Breast Cancer Awareness Month, and
Speaker 1: up next I would like to feature my wife, Chris
Speaker 1: to two point zero, who is a breast cancer survivor
Speaker 1: going on three years now. We will talk about that
Speaker 1: and her upcoming baptism, which is going to happen this
Speaker 1: coming Sunday.
Speaker 2: Right after this it's the Nightcap.
Speaker 1: The government's still shut down, they're not spending any of
Speaker 1: our money right now, maybe they'd give it back to us,
Speaker 1: what do you think seven HUNDREDLW. As I mentioned at
Speaker 1: the top of the show, October being breast cancer awareness
Speaker 1: month of all, and I think we should always be
Speaker 1: aware of cancer and the things that we need to
Speaker 1: do to keep ourselves safe from it, or at least
Speaker 1: let us know if there's a problem. And I think
Speaker 1: we always ought to be aware of breasts as men especially,
Speaker 1: And I am especially aware of my wife's breasts, and
Speaker 1: I'm certainly acutely aware of the struggle that we went together,
Speaker 1: threw together as a couple, that she went through when
Speaker 1: she was diagnosed with breast cancer. And to talk about
Speaker 1: that and to encourage other people to get their selves checked.
Speaker 1: You've got a mammogram coming up on Friday, I know,
Speaker 1: and I just think it's important to get the message
Speaker 1: out there, and from a personal standpoint, the people who
Speaker 1: have walked that path, I think it's important we bring
Speaker 1: in my wife, Chris to two point zero into the
Speaker 1: nightcab to talk about your journey.
Speaker 2: Hi, babe, ed, good evening, Good evening. It's great to
Speaker 2: have you with us.
Speaker 1: You know, it's almost as good as being home with
Speaker 1: you talking to you on the phone. Almost so let's
Speaker 1: let's go back to the beginning. How did you find
Speaker 1: out that you had breast?
Speaker 3: Can answer, well, I finally went from my first Mammograham
Speaker 3: after a few years of pushing by my doctor, and
Speaker 3: they found it. They found the lump in my right breast.
Speaker 1: Okay, Oh, and I remember well that weekend when they
Speaker 1: told you they had found this tumor in your right breast,
Speaker 1: and you were devastated, as many people are when they
Speaker 1: get this news. Yeah, almost almost despondent. And it took
Speaker 1: you exactly two days to figure out that you were
Speaker 1: going to fight this and beat it. I remember just
Speaker 1: it was almost like an overnight transition where you just
Speaker 1: what was what was the thing that made you realize
Speaker 1: that cancer wasn't going to defeat you in that short
Speaker 1: amount of time.
Speaker 3: Well, one with God and two I'm very subthern.
Speaker 1: Yes you are indeed, So we go and and you
Speaker 1: went to the consultation.
Speaker 2: Yes, what was it?
Speaker 1: What was the next step after you you went for
Speaker 1: further examination and a scan and all of that.
Speaker 2: What happened?
Speaker 3: Yes, then we went to this wonderful surgeon.
Speaker 4: J.
Speaker 3: Michael Gunther and Edgewood, Saint Elizabeth, and he was the
Speaker 3: absolute best that was still when we wear a mask.
Speaker 3: We got back and he said do you like these things?
Speaker 3: And we said no. He said, good take them off.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that you know what for me?
Speaker 1: And I was there with you when when you were
Speaker 1: seeing the actual scan and he was showing you where
Speaker 1: the tumor was, us where the tumor was, and like
Speaker 1: you said, we're married and we're in the mask and
Speaker 1: the doctor closes the door with the nurse in there
Speaker 1: with us, and he says, do you guys really like
Speaker 1: wearing these things? And we go no, because we are
Speaker 1: vehemently against all the COVID mandates that were still in
Speaker 1: place at the time. So that was that was twenty
Speaker 1: two or twenty one, twenty two, Fall of twenty two,
Speaker 1: and I think I think you found out you had
Speaker 1: breast cancer during October.
Speaker 3: Wasn't it October or just it was late September? Yeah,
Speaker 3: I saw him October and I had my surgery in October.
Speaker 1: Right, So anyway, he just to kind of move the
Speaker 1: story along. We get the masks off and he's showing
Speaker 1: us and you the tumor that they're going to remove,
Speaker 1: what they plan to do about it. And he said,
Speaker 1: remember what he said about the tumor.
Speaker 3: He said it was a wimpy to tumor. He said, yeah,
Speaker 3: it went be timors.
Speaker 2: Oh.
Speaker 1: We both kind of looked at We both kind of
Speaker 1: looked at each other and looked at him and go, okay,
Speaker 1: this is this is quite possibly the best news we've
Speaker 1: heard all day. And uh so then uh they made plans.
Speaker 1: This was a consultation before the surgery, and the surgery.
Speaker 3: Happened, and two weeks later I had my surgery yep,
Speaker 3: and I remember and go ahead and it went fine.
Speaker 3: It not there was some pain in the all later on,
Speaker 3: but yeah, it went perfectly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we were we were very very lucky, praise God
Speaker 1: the way that all turned out. So they also took
Speaker 1: an adjoining lymph node out where they had taken the
Speaker 1: the one point five centimeter tumor out of your right
Speaker 1: breast when that isn't in that about how big it was? Yes,
Speaker 1: all right, So they took the adjoining lymph node because
Speaker 1: they always do that to make sure the cancer hasn't
Speaker 1: spread and correct and it was it was not cancer
Speaker 1: the lymph node, right, but it did some damage to
Speaker 1: your lymphatic system as far as drained there was a
Speaker 1: lot of swelling, and uh, it was very uncomfortable for you.
Speaker 1: Describe that if you can or.
Speaker 3: Will well, it was swelling. It was full of fluid
Speaker 3: and blood and would leak on occasion and badly leak.
Speaker 3: And then it settled down and I started radiation.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is Christie. I think this is how you
Speaker 1: were lucky. We were lucky too. Is that you didn't
Speaker 1: have to have poison injected into your body, I mean
Speaker 1: outside the radiation, but you didn't have to have any
Speaker 1: chemotherapy with your after treatment. And that right usually accompanies
Speaker 1: something like what you went.
Speaker 3: Through well, like he said, it was a wimpy tumor.
Speaker 1: So yeah, so got it all and uh then the
Speaker 1: radiation was just I mean, boy, that that does it toll?
Speaker 1: Tell tell people what radiation even the limited How many
Speaker 1: weeks did you go through.
Speaker 3: Radiation, Krista, I had twenty treatments total. Yeah, and it
Speaker 3: was four weeks. I was having them every day for
Speaker 3: the first couple weeks and by Wednesday, I start on Monday.
Speaker 3: By Wednesday, I was so wiped out, so tired. I
Speaker 3: just came home and flapped and slept and.
Speaker 1: Slept, I remember, and and it really does drain a person.
Speaker 1: Plus it had the other side effect of because of
Speaker 1: the intense heat from radiation of miscoloring your breast on
Speaker 1: that one side.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I had a really good tan line for oh
Speaker 3: probably two.
Speaker 1: Years, right, and the hair underneath your arms on that
Speaker 1: side was gone. Yeah, yeah, you didn't. You didn't have
Speaker 1: to shave. You didn't have to shave your pits for
Speaker 1: like a long time.
Speaker 3: I remember that, just the one side.
Speaker 1: I slay it on the other side, right, So what
Speaker 1: did you call your breast after the surgery and after
Speaker 1: the radiation, because it just it didn't look quite normal?
Speaker 2: What'd you call your breast?
Speaker 3: And I still call it that Franken boob, the Franken boob.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, So let's flash ahead to now it's
Speaker 1: been three years almost since you were declared cancer free, right, yeah, and.
Speaker 3: Friday, Friday, I go back to my namigram and I
Speaker 3: will know and I believe that it will be three
Speaker 3: years cancer free.
Speaker 1: It's such a blessing to have you been and it's
Speaker 1: such a blessing that it turned out the way it did.
Speaker 1: Not everybody has it turned out the way we did,
Speaker 1: And we know that we're very, very fortunate so far,
Speaker 1: very grateful to God and to the surgeons and the
Speaker 1: people who treated you. And if you don't mind, we'll
Speaker 1: switch gears here just a little bit. Talking to christ
Speaker 1: to two point oh. My wife Breast cancer Awareness month.
Speaker 1: She is a breast cancer survivors. As her shirt says,
Speaker 1: she's got a great shirt. I love this, this shirt,
Speaker 1: this shirt you wear from time to time. Cancer picked
Speaker 1: a fight with the wrong chick, and it certainly did. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you have made a decision in the last few weeks
Speaker 1: to do something that you've never done in your life,
Speaker 1: this coming out.
Speaker 3: I've been thinking about it for.
Speaker 5: A while.
Speaker 2: And what is that?
Speaker 3: And I'm getting bad sized on Sundays?
Speaker 2: And you never got you never did it your entire life.
Speaker 3: No, I wasn't brought up your religion so well.
Speaker 1: I mean you can be religious about anything. You mean,
Speaker 1: you weren't brought up in the church. Uh, it wasn't
Speaker 1: an emphasis.
Speaker 3: Yeah, No, nobody went so I know, I had to
Speaker 3: figure it out on my own.
Speaker 6: No.
Speaker 1: I think I think God likes it better when we
Speaker 1: have a personal relationship and you do figure it out
Speaker 1: on your own.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 2: Yeah, plenty of plenty of help from the Bible. Uh,
Speaker 2: you can't.
Speaker 1: You can't get better instruction than the Word of God itself.
Speaker 1: So this is this is going to happen, and uh,
Speaker 1: you've been so excited about it ever since.
Speaker 3: I am I can't wait.
Speaker 2: But how what do you think?
Speaker 1: What do you think is going to change as a
Speaker 1: result of this symbolic act.
Speaker 3: I think my faith in God it's gonna be so
Speaker 3: much greater then I can possibly imagine.
Speaker 2: Well, I want you to.
Speaker 1: Know that I love you very much, and uh, you
Speaker 1: know I say it off the radio, so I'm not
Speaker 1: just saying it for the sake of tonight.
Speaker 2: I love you very much. I am.
Speaker 1: I am so proud to be married to you and
Speaker 1: proud of you, proud of your strength in facing what
Speaker 1: you know you have faced. I say, we but it's
Speaker 1: cancer in your body. I've just been there with you.
Speaker 1: But I and I am so glad for you that
Speaker 1: you decided to make this decision about being baptized. I
Speaker 1: think it's tremendous. I have a couple I've been baptized
Speaker 1: a couple of times. I didn't feel the need to
Speaker 1: get dunked again. But I'm going to be right there
Speaker 1: with you on Sunday and We're gonna be at Grace Fellowship,
Speaker 1: Grace Fellowship Church, the Fort Thomas Campus in the nine
Speaker 1: o'clock service this coming Sunday morning, when christ To two
Speaker 1: point zero gets baptized. If you'd like to come join
Speaker 1: us and celebrate with Christa and with me, that would
Speaker 1: be wonderful.
Speaker 2: Baby.
Speaker 1: I love you, I love you. I'll see you when
Speaker 1: I get home. You won't see me because you'll be asleep,
Speaker 1: but I'll see you when I get home and we'll
Speaker 1: talk then. All right, Absolutely, you can say anything you want.
Speaker 3: All right, ladies, get your anogram that can save your life.
Speaker 2: Amen.
Speaker 1: Thanks Perry, Christa two point zero on the Nightcap. As
Speaker 1: we continue in moments after News here on seven hundred WLW,
Speaker 1: as we get into chapter two of tonight's Nightcap into
Speaker 1: the second half hour, welcoming back a guest that we
Speaker 1: have had on previously. It's been a couple of months.
Speaker 1: I think she is not a vaccine denier. She is
Speaker 1: a vaccine investigator. I think that'd be the best words.
Speaker 1: She may agree or disagree, and she's also written the
Speaker 1: book The Ultimate Vaccine Timeline of fact packed history of
Speaker 1: vaccines and their makers. And she joins us again with
Speaker 1: a little bit of new information. We'll cover some of
Speaker 1: the old ground, I'm sure, but just to introduce her
Speaker 1: to you. But let me bring on shas Khan from London.
Speaker 3: How are you doing, shas Hi Gary, I'm doing really
Speaker 3: well in.
Speaker 1: Yourself, doing well, doing well, London born, Swiss Indian. She
Speaker 1: is by education, well at least formal education, a creative designer.
Speaker 1: And then you throw in information junkie, critical thinker, and
Speaker 1: the bio description Shaws says, somewhat obsessed with vaccines. I
Speaker 1: can say more than somewhat obsessed with vaccine. You've been
Speaker 1: studying the history going back, going back hundreds of years
Speaker 1: of what has become what we know as vaccines today.
Speaker 1: When does your research actually start? In the book?
Speaker 7: Well, the first book I put A first entry I
Speaker 7: put in the book was five seventy eighty because that's
Speaker 7: the actual time that someone gave the definition of bariola,
Speaker 7: which was smallpox. And I think definitely are very important
Speaker 7: to follow along the path the vaccines of anything, really
Speaker 7: because the definition of wars is important to the understanding.
Speaker 7: So that's the first entry. But variolation in itself, which
Speaker 7: was the old technique of scraping either you know, dried
Speaker 7: small puck gab up the nose or onto the skin.
Speaker 7: Started about about one thousand, five hundred years ago in Asia.
Speaker 7: It's not very clear exactly when it started, but it
Speaker 7: basically came from Asia and then came over to Europe
Speaker 7: via Turkey into the aristocracy, and then to the US
Speaker 7: actually through a lot of religious groups. Actually, so there's
Speaker 7: a long history and from the smallpox vaccine that most
Speaker 7: people know about from the gener times that's more than
Speaker 7: two hundred years ago already, So there's a lot of
Speaker 7: information about vaccines.
Speaker 2: And in.
Speaker 1: Ancient China or fifteen hundred years ago, it wasn't about
Speaker 1: the motive, wasn't how much can we make out of
Speaker 1: this invention?
Speaker 2: It was just how do we heal people? Are are
Speaker 2: save people's lives?
Speaker 3: When when absolutely it was about protecting.
Speaker 1: When did the worms start to turn where it became
Speaker 1: a major I don't know, uh, medical industrial, pharma, pharmaceutical
Speaker 1: complex thing where uh the goal the ultimate goal was
Speaker 1: to make as much money as possible.
Speaker 7: When did that well, Uh, that would be kind of
Speaker 7: hard to pinpoint. I couldn't say that they started vaccinators
Speaker 7: started making money obviously from when they started vaccinating in
Speaker 7: the UK. So that's the first evidence I could find
Speaker 7: the vaccinators actually receiving financial compensation for the acts of vaccininating.
Speaker 7: Then the doctors who were the one some of the
Speaker 7: first who got involved in vaccine farms, which was creating,
Speaker 7: you know, like farms of cows to produce smallpox vaccine
Speaker 7: because they saw a business venture in it.
Speaker 3: Let's let's admitt that was but.
Speaker 7: As far as like the mass industrial complex where we're
Speaker 7: at today, that happened after the Second World War, and
Speaker 7: very much the invention of plastics and the mass production
Speaker 7: of plastics helped with that with the one single use strangers,
Speaker 7: but it's still vaccines didn't make a huge amount of
Speaker 7: money at that point. It was really off to the
Speaker 7: eighties with the Beadle Acts in the US and also
Speaker 7: with the Vaccine Injury Compensation Act of nineteen eighty six
Speaker 7: for the vaccine injury I have had compensation act.
Speaker 1: Sorry, I have had a guest on also numerous times
Speaker 1: on this particular topic. His name is Thomas Habiland, and
Speaker 1: he's an Air Force veteran and he has been studying
Speaker 1: these embalming reports about the large white fibrous clots found
Speaker 1: inside corpses that only started showing up after the rollout
Speaker 1: of the mRNA COVID nineteen vaccines, and you know, along
Speaker 1: with the cases of myocarditis and other things that have
Speaker 1: been linked to these vaccines that the public was never
Speaker 1: warned about, and it's still being swept under the rug
Speaker 1: in many cases the adverse effects of the mRNA. But
Speaker 1: are you familiar with the Enbonber's study. There's a brand
Speaker 1: new one coming out among three four hundred bombers in
Speaker 1: the country detailing these odd white clots that they are
Speaker 1: finding inside the corpses that they are working on that
Speaker 1: they never saw before the COVID nineteen vaccine.
Speaker 2: Do you know anything about that shots.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I've heard about this as well, primarily from Jon o'looney,
Speaker 7: who's a British undertaker as they called them here, who
Speaker 7: was one of the first to blow the horn and
Speaker 7: anyway in the UK about these fibers, very strange rubbery
Speaker 7: like white.
Speaker 8: Substances clocks that he found sometimes would trail the whole
Speaker 8: length of a vein or an artery, which was very unusual.
Speaker 8: So yeah, I haven't been following what the latest developments are,
Speaker 8: but I would.
Speaker 7: Imagine that the continuing to find them, and there are
Speaker 7: very strange, fibrous costs which the authority still seem to
Speaker 7: refuse to acknowledge and actually, you know, explain or go into,
Speaker 7: which I mean that follows the whole denial that there
Speaker 7: is in regards to adverse events following these COVID shots
Speaker 7: in general, which we're seeing the world over.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he also posits, and it gets your opinion
Speaker 1: on this, that there may have been as many as
Speaker 1: seventeen million people killed or severely injured or living with
Speaker 1: these spike protein injuries out of the COVID vaccines. That
Speaker 1: seems like an awfully high number. Do you think it's
Speaker 1: in line?
Speaker 7: Well, he has to remember how many billions of doses
Speaker 7: have been administered in on the world, I mean on
Speaker 7: the planet. I mean that's probably understatement and under estimation
Speaker 7: because we don't really know.
Speaker 3: I think of all the developing.
Speaker 7: Countries where there's no kind of surveyance system whatsoever, where
Speaker 7: people when they die there's no autopsy, any kind of investigations. So, yes,
Speaker 7: the seventeen million is maybe a conservative estimate. But again
Speaker 7: we have to remember that we vaccinated over five billion
Speaker 7: people on this planet with all different types of you know,
Speaker 7: already varying health issues to start off with, so it could.
Speaker 3: Be higher than that.
Speaker 2: Do you believe that.
Speaker 1: The COVID nineteen vaccines saved many more people than it
Speaker 1: is injured or affected or killed?
Speaker 7: Well, based on my experience here, I mean, I'm based
Speaker 7: in Switzerland and I'm part of a group of medical
Speaker 7: professionals and health professionals, and what I'm hearing on the
Speaker 7: field is absolutely not that. I'm hearing way more about
Speaker 7: injury than anybody being saved.
Speaker 3: About We have to remember.
Speaker 7: COVID was not a dangerous disease for the majority of people. Yes,
Speaker 7: it was dangerous for people who have a certain age,
Speaker 7: who had certain who are diabetic, who are a beest,
Speaker 7: who had hypertension. Those people are the ones who are risk.
Speaker 7: So we've now administered this supposed to be prevent this
Speaker 7: treatment which can't prevent transmission and doesn't prevent infection to
Speaker 7: millions and billions of people, story including healthy children, and
Speaker 7: I from my observations and what I've.
Speaker 3: Been reading, there's a way a lot more damage.
Speaker 4: Than the benefits the beneficial sorry that.
Speaker 7: Things, but the authorities, the regulatory authorities, SPISTHMETIC, FDA, they
Speaker 7: continue to say the benefits outweigh the risk. So that's
Speaker 7: the official statement.
Speaker 2: It's the official statement.
Speaker 1: Okay, we're talking to Shas Khan, author of the Ultimate
Speaker 1: Vaccine Timeline, a fact packed history of vaccines and their makers.
Speaker 1: And this is the thing that caught my eye and
Speaker 1: dragged at twelve feet Sean W. Shaws when we were
Speaker 1: getting ready for this, the next cancer fighting mRNA vaccine
Speaker 1: may already be here. What are they finding out about
Speaker 1: people who took the COVID nineteen jab and then are
Speaker 1: receiving immunotherapy for cancer.
Speaker 2: What do we know about this? And it's a stuff that.
Speaker 3: Early on it's not a study.
Speaker 7: It's not a study for people. I mean, the first
Speaker 7: of all, it's very clear. It was announced at a
Speaker 7: conference in Berlin, the European Society for Medical Oncology conference
Speaker 7: was announced by I believe it was doctor Adam Griffin
Speaker 7: Griffin sorry, at the University of Texas who was saying
Speaker 7: they did a retrospective analysis on about a thousand patients
Speaker 7: who had received within one hundred days before their immunity
Speaker 7: therapy for I believe it was a small cell lung cancer.
Speaker 7: They saw that about one hundred people who had received
Speaker 7: the mr and A vaccine in the one hundred days
Speaker 7: prior to starting munotherapy had a longer survival rate. But
Speaker 7: this is just a retrospective analysis. It's not a study.
Speaker 7: They would have to put it into a study to
Speaker 7: really to make sure that a valid observation or not.
Speaker 7: And there are too many parameters here which are unclear exactly.
Speaker 7: You know, what were the age groups of these people,
Speaker 7: what were the types of you know, did they have
Speaker 7: any other commmbodities apart from just a cell lung ca answer,
Speaker 7: what kinds of treatments were they taking. There's lots of
Speaker 7: unknowns and the fact that the media has just taken
Speaker 7: this up and run with it, it just shows that
Speaker 7: they're trying to justify the use of mRNA vaccine for
Speaker 7: just about anything and not acknowledge the people who have
Speaker 7: been talking about the speedy turbo cancers after vaccination and
Speaker 7: just focus on the potential benefits. And we have to
Speaker 7: remember mRNA initially was kind of developed in the idea
Speaker 7: of cancer therapy, so for people who were sick who
Speaker 7: didn't have necessarily any options, and you know, it could
Speaker 7: be worthwhile and it could be still be a very
Speaker 7: interesting pathway to follow.
Speaker 4: But this was not a study.
Speaker 7: This is a retrospective analysis. It has no conclusions that
Speaker 7: we can actually, you know, hang our head on, and
Speaker 7: it was on a.
Speaker 3: Very small number of patients.
Speaker 7: So we still have to see what comes out of
Speaker 7: this University of Texas when they decided to put it
Speaker 7: into a phase three study.
Speaker 1: All right, So let me ask you, are there any
Speaker 1: vaccines that shas Khan is totally on board with? Any
Speaker 1: of today's modern vaccines?
Speaker 7: Well, unfortunately not anymore. I would have been on board
Speaker 7: with some of the earlier vaccines, especially like the sole
Speaker 7: tetanus one. Even then I would dispute that now, knowing
Speaker 7: what I know about tetanus and the fact that we're
Speaker 7: talking about a disease that was a problem back in
Speaker 7: the days that we had horses for transport, that we
Speaker 7: had manure everywhere, and that we didn't have much sanitation nowadays.
Speaker 4: Absolutely not. I have to be honest.
Speaker 7: I haven't taken a single pharmaceutical drug in the last
Speaker 7: ten years. It's been an experiment I'm doing on myself
Speaker 7: to see if I can actually treat myself without pharmaceuticals,
Speaker 7: and so far, so good.
Speaker 1: Knock on wood, well, I mean, just for the sake
Speaker 1: of this conversation, what kind of treatment are you doing
Speaker 1: for yourself to avoid illness and to stay well?
Speaker 4: Well?
Speaker 7: For myself as the first thing I changed when I
Speaker 7: was getting sick a lot about ten years ago. My
Speaker 7: doctor didn't help me really with anything was drink more
Speaker 7: water and drink pure water. So I made sure I
Speaker 7: was drinking enough at least one and a half to
Speaker 7: two liters a day during some exercise stretching. Vitamin D
Speaker 7: zinc Vitamin D essential oils changed my life. I was
Speaker 7: incredibly skeptical when I first started using them, but I
Speaker 7: have to say I am very impressed by the results
Speaker 7: I've got with essentral oils and simply paying attention to
Speaker 7: my nutrition as well. Like I had gout once and
Speaker 7: my doctor wanted to give me five different pills. All
Speaker 7: I wanted was crutches and got just give me anti inflammatories,
Speaker 7: anti pain killers and the protein pump in the bitter
Speaker 7: an antibiotic which made no sense. And I just stopped
Speaker 7: drinking fizzy drinks. It was as simple as that, and
Speaker 7: it went away from There are solutions, obviously, you know
Speaker 7: it's not an easy solution. Maybe you have to make
Speaker 7: a few changes in your lifestyle, but I rather do
Speaker 7: that than take.
Speaker 3: Pills at the moment.
Speaker 1: Do you find that this total giving in and acquiescence,
Speaker 1: or you know, maybe even just the co mingling of
Speaker 1: government and pharmaceutical maker through their lobbyists has been hurting us?
Speaker 1: And will do you think a person like Robert F.
Speaker 1: Kennedy Junior has a path to maybe make America healthy
Speaker 1: again and to make the world healthy again with recommendations.
Speaker 1: A lot of things have already changed as far as
Speaker 1: mandates and requirements in vaccines just since Donald Trump has
Speaker 1: been in office and RFK Junior has been the Health
Speaker 1: and Human Services Secretary. Do you see any light at
Speaker 1: the end of the tunnel for the US anyway.
Speaker 2: In this.
Speaker 4: Well?
Speaker 3: I certainly hope so.
Speaker 7: I mean the issues of the pharma school industry's interest
Speaker 7: in lobbying in government and NGOs in specifically also societies
Speaker 7: for Medical oncology, these patient advocate groups is coming out
Speaker 7: to the surface, not just in the US, also in Europe.
Speaker 7: So it's bringing to light this serious issue.
Speaker 3: Hoping that Kennedy can make.
Speaker 7: Some headwinds, definitely in the US.
Speaker 4: And you guys do have.
Speaker 7: Mandates for vaccines, which a lot of European countries, including
Speaker 7: the UK and Switzerland do not, so we already have
Speaker 7: an advantage to a certain extent, but there is still
Speaker 7: this this real problem of pharmaceutical industry being completely has
Speaker 7: its tentacles everywhere, and notably FDA, the regulatory agencies MRHA
Speaker 7: and the UK, Swiss Medicare and Swiftland SWISMDIC is financed
Speaker 7: eighty two percent. So hopefully with more and more people
Speaker 7: speaking out and realizing that the pharmacchicol industry doesn't have
Speaker 7: any interest in keeping you healthy because that's not a patient,
Speaker 7: that's not a customer. They need sick people as a
Speaker 7: business model.
Speaker 3: It's as plain as simple as that.
Speaker 7: So hopefully Kennedy can make some headway that will.
Speaker 3: Reverberate into Europe.
Speaker 7: And there are many more consumer groups that have come
Speaker 7: up since COVID because they've seen the corruption directly and
Speaker 7: they're not having it. So there is a real movement
Speaker 7: happening now, which I think is very much in the
Speaker 7: hands of the people and the pharmacy companies, even though
Speaker 7: they have lots of money, there's still a minority people life,
Speaker 7: so I think they're gonna have to look out for
Speaker 7: the grassroots movements and the real ones, not the ones
Speaker 7: that they fund.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: What always amazed me, and I think I know why now,
Speaker 1: But what always amazed me in the height of COVID
Speaker 1: and they were pushing the JAB is how every other
Speaker 1: pharmaceutical commercial on TV, in a thirty second commercial, which
Speaker 1: by the way, I don't think should be allowed on television,
Speaker 1: in a thirty second commercial, fifteen seconds of it would
Speaker 1: be the purported side effects. This could happen, You could
Speaker 1: get this if you take this, you know you're gonna
Speaker 1: save your skin, but your kidney is going to fall
Speaker 1: out or whatever. There was never any warning or disclaimer
Speaker 1: on any of the COVID commercials.
Speaker 7: Yes, are you talking about commercials by the government or
Speaker 7: commercials by.
Speaker 1: Pfizer, commercials by Peiser, But commercials by drug companies always
Speaker 1: list the side effects of their drug. They have to,
Speaker 1: they have to put a legal disclaimer, okay, But there
Speaker 1: was never any legal disclaimer about the possible adverse effects
Speaker 1: of the COVID nineteen vaccine. Is because they didn't know
Speaker 1: what the adverse side effects could be, or they just
Speaker 1: weren't telling anybody to continue to push their poison.
Speaker 3: Well they knew.
Speaker 7: I mean, it's interesting that you mentioned that because we
Speaker 7: didn't have any advertisements. Obviously in something we don't. You're
Speaker 7: one of the only countries along with New Zealand, that
Speaker 7: allows prescription drugs, including vaccines, to be advertised on television.
Speaker 7: But in theory, as you said, they should have listed.
Speaker 3: The side effects.
Speaker 7: They were well aware of by the time I minority
Speaker 7: when they started the rollout of the campaign. If it
Speaker 7: was the government, then they could argue, well, it's the
Speaker 7: public service announcement and they didn't need to, which is
Speaker 7: what happened here in Switzerland because we had advertising for
Speaker 7: the vaccine, but it was done and paid for by
Speaker 7: the government, so our taxpayer money, and they didn't have
Speaker 7: to announce any of these side effects, and they just
Speaker 7: basically made it sound like it's your civic duty, and
Speaker 7: they use the very manipulative communication campaign to say basically,
Speaker 7: you're getting vaccinated for the good of society, and there
Speaker 7: was no mention in side effect, no mention of any
Speaker 7: individual risks. But they can do that because of the
Speaker 7: public service announcement. I mean, we actually tried to file
Speaker 7: a complaint with the advertiser that they said that doesn't
Speaker 7: count because it's the government.
Speaker 3: It's not wiser.
Speaker 7: But in the US it'd be interesting if someone could
Speaker 7: try to attack Maybe fires is saying that they didn't
Speaker 7: announce the side effects that they should have, as they
Speaker 7: usually do with other drugs, but yeah, they should have.
Speaker 1: Well, I enjoy your time, and it goes by much
Speaker 1: too quickly every time we talk.
Speaker 2: Shas Khan, thank you so much.
Speaker 1: The book is the ultimate vaccine timeline of fact packed
Speaker 1: history of vaccines and their makers. It's out now and
Speaker 1: her work continues. Thank you so much for the information.
Speaker 7: Shows well, thank you so much for having me, and
Speaker 7: have a wonderful day.
Speaker 2: Hey you as well.
Speaker 1: Coming up next Jim Lebarbara Rock and Roll archaeology from
Speaker 1: this past Saturday. Because some people are just too lazy
Speaker 1: to get up at seven thirty in the morning, Welcome
Speaker 1: back to the Nightcap here on seven hundred WLW up.
Speaker 1: Next is the director of Research for the Government Accountability
Speaker 1: Institute or GAI. Has nothing to do with AI necessarily,
Speaker 1: but because I think you'll find this is real intelligence,
Speaker 1: not anything artificial about it. His name is Seamus Brunner.
Speaker 1: He is also the author of a book called Control
Speaker 1: of Garks exposing the billionaire class, their secret deals, and
Speaker 1: the globalist plot to dominate your life in every aspect
Speaker 1: of it.
Speaker 2: Seamus Bruner, Welcome to the show. How are you very well.
Speaker 2: It's great to be with you, fantastic to have you.
Speaker 1: You've worked with Peter Switzer on some great best selling
Speaker 1: books about following the money and all of that, and
Speaker 1: that's all you really have to do is follow the money.
Speaker 1: This No King's two point zero movement that we saw
Speaker 1: in evidence again this past weekend is backed by billionaire money,
Speaker 1: and they're starting to dive in Donald Trump and his administration,
Speaker 1: diving into where all this money is coming from. So
Speaker 1: when Bernie Sanders warns us about oligarchs, he's not talking
Speaker 1: about these people, is he.
Speaker 5: No, he is not. They tend to look the other
Speaker 5: way when they've got billionaires and kings and oligarcs on
Speaker 5: their side.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no doubt about it, all right. So let's get behind.
Speaker 1: Where the money is coming from, going directly to official
Speaker 1: No King's two point zero partners and organizers funnel through
Speaker 1: these dark money networks. The Arabella network, who are they?
Speaker 1: They gave seventy nine point seven million dollars.
Speaker 5: Yeah, the Arabella Network has been around for a while
Speaker 5: of approximately I don't know, twenty five years. They've got
Speaker 5: half a dozen or more funds that are basically pass throughs,
Speaker 5: dark money pass throughs. They've got the new Venture Fund,
Speaker 5: the sixteen thirty fund. I could list a few more
Speaker 5: for you, but the point is is they just passed
Speaker 5: money through from billionaires like Bill Gates, Mark Zuckerberg. George
Speaker 5: Soros is a huge funder of the Arabella network. Even
Speaker 5: some foreign funders such as the Swiss billionaire.
Speaker 2: Hans jord VIIs.
Speaker 5: He's the guy who likes to destabilize our country and
Speaker 5: fund our political process. That really needs to be looked into.
Speaker 5: And so the the NGOs, they are funding what we
Speaker 5: call the protesting industrial complex. We mapped out all two
Speaker 5: hundred plus No King's official organizers and partners. We pulled
Speaker 5: every one of their irs form nine nineties the nine
Speaker 5: nineties of all of the NGOs, put all the numbers
Speaker 5: into a spreadsheet and just started totaling it up, and
Speaker 5: we were shocked to learn that close to three hundred
Speaker 5: million dollars has come through these Soros ties Arabella networks
Speaker 5: into the No Kings organizers and partners now that's over
Speaker 5: the past. That's according to the most recent IRS form
Speaker 5: nine nineties. So that is not just three hundred millions
Speaker 5: for this event, but a lot of these organizers they
Speaker 5: funded and participated in prior protests and riots like the
Speaker 5: anti ice demonstrations, the Tesla takedown, there was a No
Speaker 5: Kings back in June. And so this is a really
Speaker 5: a professional o test network. We call it riot Inc.
Speaker 5: And extremely well funded.
Speaker 2: Are they?
Speaker 1: Are they also in your estimation, I don't know if
Speaker 1: you've done anything digging into this. Are they also behind
Speaker 1: a lot of funding for the pro hamas rallies which
Speaker 1: seated all kinds of violence and chaos on purpose, and
Speaker 1: and also of things like Antifa, which the President is
Speaker 1: absolutely as a terrorist organization.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 5: I was at the President's roundtable on Antifa a week
Speaker 5: and a half ago. I briefed the President on all
Speaker 5: of this stuff. He told me to get with the DOJ,
Speaker 5: FBI and Homeland Security leaders officials, and I've passed along
Speaker 5: a lot of this information to them. One of the
Speaker 5: things that he was most interested in, that's President trumpet
Speaker 5: most interested in was a guy I named Neville Roy Singham,
Speaker 5: a guy based in China, basically a billionaire, and he
Speaker 5: has got a whole network of nonprofits and NGOs in
Speaker 5: the United States, and they were especially behind the Prolomadut
Speaker 5: demonstrations in New York City. It was also his groups
Speaker 5: that were behind the anti Ice riots in LA where
Speaker 5: you saw lots of cars on fire and a lot
Speaker 5: of violence towards law enforcement.
Speaker 4: UH.
Speaker 5: And Nevill Roy Singham he's a.
Speaker 9: Not a good dude, and there's a lot of federal
Speaker 9: investigations going on involving him, whether it's a Foreign Agents
Speaker 9: Registration Act through the US Attorney's Office in d C.
Speaker 5: Or UH, the Secretary or I'm sorry, the Oversight Chairman.
Speaker 5: James Comer sent a letter to Treasury Secretary Besants asking
Speaker 5: him to seize or freeze Neville Roy Singham's assets because
Speaker 5: of the unrest he is fomenting in our country. And
Speaker 5: so that's just one of many of the foreigners who
Speaker 5: are funding some of this stuff.
Speaker 1: Of these powerful control of garks that you're right about
Speaker 1: in the book. Control of Garks is what is their
Speaker 1: ultimate goal. Their ultimate goal is to dominate every aspect
Speaker 1: of our life and have complete power, absolute power.
Speaker 5: Right, Yeah, that's exactly right. I mean, I'll give you
Speaker 5: a spoiler, wherret. The final chapter, chapter ten, is called
Speaker 5: the Endgame, and it talks about where they want to
Speaker 5: take us. There's actually, interestingly enough, a book written over
Speaker 5: fifty years ago, seventy five years ago called The Naked Communists,
Speaker 5: where it lists the goals of the Communist Party, is
Speaker 5: written by a former FBI investigator. And you'd be stunned
Speaker 5: to learn that many of these goals have been fulfilled
Speaker 5: and truly and most people can't believe this. And I
Speaker 5: tell them, these controlling guards want to make the United
Speaker 5: States more like China. And there's a reason for that.
Speaker 5: I mean, the people think, oh, they're capitalists. They've made
Speaker 5: a billion dollars. Shouldn't they be pro America and be
Speaker 5: grateful for the money. They want more power and more
Speaker 5: control than they already have, and they actually envy China.
Speaker 5: I mean, people like Bill Gates. Have you saw it
Speaker 5: during the pandemic, especially where they praised the Chinese response
Speaker 5: to COVID. They used euphemisms like, oh, it's very efficient.
Speaker 5: They're doing a great job because of how quickly they
Speaker 5: can address things. What they really want is an authoritarian
Speaker 5: type system. And ultimately they want a social credit score.
Speaker 5: That's what a lot of the stuff that they're funding
Speaker 5: digital ID. Bill Gates just recently said we need to
Speaker 5: get digital ID in the United States by twenty twenty eight.
Speaker 5: That's just a couple of years away. He's funded and
Speaker 5: a lot of these control guards have funded. Silicon Valley
Speaker 5: guys have funded efforts to get a digital ID implemented
Speaker 5: in the United States. So it's shocking stuff, But truly
Speaker 5: they do want authoritarian system controlled by them.
Speaker 1: A lot of people finally raising red flags no pun intended,
Speaker 1: about the communist Chinese Party buying up US farmland. Bill
Speaker 1: Gates has been eleven point seven billion dollars to take
Speaker 1: over our food supply. Is this what you found?
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's right. I actually been going through so I noticed,
Speaker 5: you know, as many people have, that Bill Gates is
Speaker 5: buying up a lot of farmland.
Speaker 4: And thought, what the heck is going on here?
Speaker 5: At the same time, it coincides with the farmland purchases,
Speaker 5: he's been investing in a lot of food companies. I mean,
Speaker 5: he'd put twenty three million dollars into Monsanto that has
Speaker 5: the patented seeds for agriculture.
Speaker 2: He's invested.
Speaker 5: North of a billion dollars in a variety of alternative
Speaker 5: protein and fertilizer companies, new new kind of fertilizer technologies,
Speaker 5: these fake meat companies like beyond Meat, impossible foods, and
Speaker 5: so the deeper I dug I actually led me back
Speaker 5: to the Microsoft anti trust trials in the nineties, whereas
Speaker 5: prosecutors discovered that Bill Gates and Microsoft's had a strategy
Speaker 5: called embrace, extend, extinguish, where they would the company because
Speaker 5: what does the tech I know about farming, Well, he
Speaker 5: doesn't know a lot about farming, but he knows a
Speaker 5: lot about anti trust and cornering markets. First, Microsoft would
Speaker 5: embrace an industry. In the example from the nineties, it
Speaker 5: was the internet browser industry. They created Internet Explorer, then
Speaker 5: they extended their reach, put it on every machine and
Speaker 5: whether you wanted it or not. And then once they
Speaker 5: had established a foothold, they would seek to extend extinguish
Speaker 5: the competition, and it was a netscape of the competitor
Speaker 5: that they tried to smother. Well, that's what Bill Gates
Speaker 5: is trying to do with farmers. So at the same
Speaker 5: time he's buying up all the farmlands, investing in what
Speaker 5: he believes are the of the future. He's also using
Speaker 5: his NGO Networks and Bill Munda Gates Foundation to put
Speaker 5: out white papers and reports convincing lawmakers to using climate
Speaker 5: change type regulations smother our farmers. So that's where you
Speaker 5: get things like methane restrictions for cattle, and you can't
Speaker 5: use certain types of fertilizers that farmers have been using
Speaker 5: for decades. So it's really really sinister stuff.
Speaker 1: As ridiculous as putting diapers on cows, or seems. It's
Speaker 1: kind of part of this weird, bizarre plan. Mark Zuckerberg
Speaker 1: spent thirty six billion dollars on social re engineering to
Speaker 1: keep us all trapped in a tech addiction, and it
Speaker 1: is one of the most powerful addictions. Now, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm a former cigarette smoker. I know about addiction. I've
Speaker 1: had my battles with alcohol, but the tech addiction seems
Speaker 1: to be one of the most insidious kinds of addictions
Speaker 1: that they're is, and there's a lot of money being
Speaker 1: put forward to make sure more and more of us
Speaker 1: are hooked.
Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, that's absolutely right.
Speaker 5: I mean it's I mean, you'll spend unfathomable sums just
Speaker 5: getting the color schemes right on apps like Facebook and Instagram,
Speaker 5: and getting the chimes and the notifications to deliver the
Speaker 5: dopamine hits to the users at such a frequency that
Speaker 5: it keeps them at a endless loop of wanting to
Speaker 5: go back and check the app. I got off of
Speaker 5: Facebook a couple of years ago, but for a while
Speaker 5: I noticed myself going to the screen and try to
Speaker 5: tap where it used to be.
Speaker 4: It's like, oh, oh, it's gone.
Speaker 5: So you really don't want to be using these apps
Speaker 5: because they are highly addictive. And then the amount of money,
Speaker 5: it's far more than what's listed there, because as they're
Speaker 5: outdated by a few months, it's really well over fifty billion,
Speaker 5: especially with the AI and the virtual reality that he
Speaker 5: wants to get kids hooked into in the games. So
Speaker 5: he's pumping a lot of money into tech addiction. That's
Speaker 5: why you see people like him and Bill Gates cozying
Speaker 5: up to the Trump administration as best they can because
Speaker 5: the FTC, the FCC, antitrust regulators, they are hot on
Speaker 5: the trail with the addiction and just the methods of
Speaker 5: getting especially young people addicted and ultimately depressed. I mean
Speaker 5: suicide rates people have linked to Instagram use urging suicide rates,
Speaker 5: so he doesn't want people to find out about this,
Speaker 5: which is why you really need to read the book.
Speaker 1: And in addition to Jeff Bezos and the Soros family,
Speaker 1: which you already mentioned and we've heard now for years
Speaker 1: ponying up the bucks for this division in the country,
Speaker 1: which causes chaos, and then eventually, I guess their hope
Speaker 1: is that American society completely collapses so the globalists can
Speaker 1: take over. There's Klaus Schwab's Davos Club. They meet the
Speaker 1: World Economic Forum twenty five wef members worth over ten
Speaker 1: trillion dollars that have way more power than many governments
Speaker 1: that are supposed to represent all of their citizens, and
Speaker 1: they're usurping the authority of government with their money and
Speaker 1: their power. I guess it's the whole point of this.
Speaker 1: We're closing out on our time and man, this subject
Speaker 1: could well, I mean, you wrote a book about it,
Speaker 1: so I guess the subject we could talk for about
Speaker 1: I don't know, ten days and not cover everything. But
Speaker 1: the book again is control of garchs, exposing the billionaire class,
Speaker 1: their secret deals and the globalist plot to dominate your life.
Speaker 2: That's out now. Shamus.
Speaker 4: Yes, that's right.
Speaker 5: You can get it anywhere you get books. I realize
Speaker 5: the irony of having a book with Jeff Bezos on
Speaker 5: the cover being for sale.
Speaker 4: On Amazon is not lost on me.
Speaker 5: So if you don't want to give Bezos the money,
Speaker 5: it's easy to get it. There will be there in
Speaker 5: two days. But if you don't want to give Bezos
Speaker 5: the money, you can go to control of arksbook dot
Speaker 5: com and find the independent retailer links.
Speaker 1: Are you Are you happy that at least Donald Trump
Speaker 1: and the people that you're in connection with are trying
Speaker 1: to stop this in its tracks?
Speaker 5: I am.
Speaker 4: I see an effort there.
Speaker 5: I see you know, the political will is there where
Speaker 5: it hasn't been in years past. Ever since the assassination
Speaker 5: of Charlie Kirk, it seems like it's all hands on deck.
Speaker 5: I will say that this is a really, really tough
Speaker 5: nut to crack. I mean, you can't just declare, you know,
Speaker 5: George Soros's business illegal. He's an expert at this game.
Speaker 5: He's been in it for fifty years. The other guys,
Speaker 5: some of them even longer, and so it's going to
Speaker 5: be very tough to root this out. And a lot
Speaker 5: of the battle is in the schools because we've got
Speaker 5: entire generation of kids who have already been radicalized by
Speaker 5: the Soros, Rockefeller Tides, Arabella Network propaganda. And you still
Speaker 5: have the teachers.
Speaker 2: I mean, you see the teachers.
Speaker 5: They were at the No King's rallies being you know,
Speaker 5: calling for violence, and they were celebrating after Charlie Kirk's assassination.
Speaker 5: It's going to take a long time to get the
Speaker 5: schools out, so we really need to. We need to
Speaker 5: ramp up like yesterday.
Speaker 1: All right, Seamus Printer, thank you so much for your time.
Speaker 1: Good morning for all and anybody's interested in what we've
Speaker 1: been talking about.
Speaker 2: Get control of garcs. It's out now, Seamus, thank.
Speaker 4: You, Thank you sir.
Speaker 1: All Right, we continue with the Nightcap in just moments
Speaker 1: after this break, entering into the third hour of tonight's
Speaker 1: Nightcap on this Tuesday evening had seven utter wl W Gary,
Speaker 1: Jeff and now for something completely different. It always is
Speaker 1: every time we talk conversation with the man, and to me,
Speaker 1: he is still the pre eminent sports radio talk voice
Speaker 1: of all of Cincinnati, and as far as I'm concerned,
Speaker 1: the king of all media. Andy Furman joins us for
Speaker 1: this segment, How are you doing for ball?
Speaker 6: It gets better every week. The John keep on writing
Speaker 6: and you keep on reading it.
Speaker 3: I love it.
Speaker 6: It's wonderful.
Speaker 1: I'm not reading anything. It's off the top of my head,
Speaker 1: from the bottom of my heart. I don't need a
Speaker 1: script in front of me. Andy, what were you gonna say?
Speaker 6: I will tell you this much. I'm not normally nervous
Speaker 6: doing this, but I'm a little uptyped because you kind
Speaker 6: of like laid the law on me the other day
Speaker 6: saying I better come with it today. I always thought
Speaker 6: I did. I always thought I did. You know what
Speaker 6: I'm saying, But.
Speaker 1: Listen, if you do not, as Willie Cunningham likes to say,
Speaker 1: put the cheese on the cracker, I would not give
Speaker 1: you the cracker to put the cheese on. You wouldn't
Speaker 1: be here right now if you didn't bring it. I
Speaker 1: don't know what you're talking about. I'm totally happy with
Speaker 1: your with your participation in helping me out with this program,
Speaker 1: because I know millions, if not hundreds of people are
Speaker 1: waiting to hear what you have to say.
Speaker 6: Well, the first thing I thought of as you mentioned
Speaker 6: that to me the other day, I think that you
Speaker 6: need to have your headstick above head and shoulders above
Speaker 6: everybody else in this city. And it is how you're doing.
Speaker 6: We have the Gary Jeff Walker Awards. I thought about
Speaker 6: this right, but we're doing in the world of entertainment
Speaker 6: and sports locally in Cincinnati, Like who is the best
Speaker 6: TV sports anchor in Cincinnati, Who's the best writer? Things
Speaker 6: like that. I think the Gary Jeff Awards, What do
Speaker 6: you think? And then you can give them, like a
Speaker 6: gift certificate to the Huddles or something like that, you
Speaker 6: know what I mean. Award them in Huddles. We'll put
Speaker 6: the name on the wall.
Speaker 1: I think we need something a little bit more and
Speaker 1: no offense to my other employer, a little bit more
Speaker 1: illustrious than a gift certificate to Huddles. But we ought to.
Speaker 1: I mean, you need to set this up. You're the
Speaker 1: pr guy. You've got connections all over the place. Andy.
Speaker 1: What I'm thinking is, you need to book a ballroom.
Speaker 1: We can promote it. We'll get some big money people
Speaker 1: behind us, UH to kind of help finance it. I
Speaker 1: get to EMC and you can introduce me. What do
Speaker 1: you think, and then I will em see the show,
Speaker 1: you know, like the Oscars or the Emmys or but
Speaker 1: this will be real because it'll be real accomplishments and
Speaker 1: not just you know, meaningless pats on the back within
Speaker 1: our own little bubble.
Speaker 6: Because we're not gonna do this like right now.
Speaker 2: We're gonna like.
Speaker 6: Play this out maybe like in a spring, Yeah, like
Speaker 6: around when Red Seage is start.
Speaker 1: Right exactly, It'll be about meritocracy, not mediocrity. It'll be
Speaker 1: I will tell you about real performance, not political circles.
Speaker 6: Yes, I think we should do when the Red Seeds
Speaker 6: is stuck start you sort of like back off a
Speaker 6: little bit with your time on the air.
Speaker 1: Well that means that if we're gonna do it when
Speaker 1: Red season is started and I'm no longer on the
Speaker 1: radio on Monday and Tuesday nights making the money, making
Speaker 1: the good old I heard media money, then uh, we're
Speaker 1: gonna have to figure out a way for me to
Speaker 1: get paid to host it too, because I will be
Speaker 1: on a breadline.
Speaker 2: Otherwise we'll figure it out.
Speaker 6: We'll work on that, all right.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 6: So the sports, Yeah, all right, I got it, no deal. Sorry,
Speaker 6: I thought about this the other days. We'll talk about sports,
Speaker 6: and and these college coaches of course took about sportsmanship, brotherhood,
Speaker 6: all that garbage. So I read a school of the
Speaker 6: odag Olklahoma University. Their women's softball team is like dynamite.
Speaker 6: They won the antiaa tournament like two or of the last
Speaker 6: three years, whatever it may be. They played the school.
Speaker 6: But I am Oklahoma Christian. Last week they beat them
Speaker 6: thirty five nothing. I thought it was a typographical mistake.
Speaker 6: I had a look on the interne at.
Speaker 2: The same was true.
Speaker 6: It is are you kidding me? Thirty five nothing? I
Speaker 6: mean after there was twelve nothing and the third inning?
Speaker 6: Can they just call the game? How do you play
Speaker 6: a school like that? What does that do? What does
Speaker 6: that do? What message do you tell your players, like
Speaker 6: step in their throat and do it until I can't
Speaker 6: breathe anymore. That to me is ridiculous. Thirty five nothing
Speaker 6: in Oklahoma or Oklahoma Christians.
Speaker 1: You have to understand Oklahoma Christian. If they are true
Speaker 1: to their namesake, We're not offended by this because Christians
Speaker 1: always turned the other cheek, even when they're getting bread.
Speaker 1: I mean, were you saying that it wasn't fair for
Speaker 1: the Roman emperor to put Christians in the coliseum with
Speaker 1: the lions when.
Speaker 6: A freaking softball game. Forget about Lions and Tigers, forget
Speaker 6: about the softball game two universities. The president and the
Speaker 6: school should have said something. If I'm the president of
Speaker 6: Oklahoma Christmas, you know what, We're not playing them anymore.
Speaker 6: And the story it's embarrassing. Don't embarrass my team, don't
Speaker 6: embarrass my school.
Speaker 1: So you're gonna tell You're gonna tell the girls to
Speaker 1: take their balls and go home and just not even participate.
Speaker 6: You go, oh, oh my god, I like that. Okay,
Speaker 6: speak of the ball last night, all right, I'm flipping
Speaker 6: them back and forth of the Toronto Seattle baseball playoff game.
Speaker 6: And not not only one, but they had two NFL
Speaker 6: games last night. Could you help me out over the
Speaker 6: last several weeks, we not only have one, but we
Speaker 6: have two NFL games on Monday Night. And I'll tell
Speaker 6: you why they do it. I know why they're doing
Speaker 6: it because the NFL wants the very Major League Baseball.
Speaker 6: They've already buried the NBA because the NBA used to
Speaker 6: own Christmas Day. Now the NFL has got a game
Speaker 6: on Christmas Day. I get it. I understand. The NFL
Speaker 6: probably is the most popular sport not nationally, maybe worldwide
Speaker 6: and very close to that is college football, but still
Speaker 6: at all give the other some breathing room, will you please?
Speaker 6: I'm gonna recommend the Congress. Congress should say there should
Speaker 6: be no al for lapping in sports. I know it
Speaker 6: sounds stupid, but I remember as a kid it was
Speaker 6: a certain seasons for every sport there wasn't much overlapping. Really,
Speaker 6: the biggest games are coming up dating Friday night the
Speaker 6: World Series. Thoughts, do you think people care really about football?
Speaker 1: Now we're getting to the crux of who you are
Speaker 1: with this little diatribe you just laid on me. You're
Speaker 1: obviously a socialist. Do you think everything ought to be
Speaker 1: fair and shared? Listen, if people didn't, would would not
Speaker 1: rather watch the NFL than Major League Baseball? They'd be
Speaker 1: watching baseball. But people prefer the NFL. Don't blame the
Speaker 1: NFL for dominating Major League Baseball and basketball with the
Speaker 1: eyeballs of the American public. Just the fact is, maybe
Speaker 1: the NBA, maybe the MLB need to come up with
Speaker 1: a better product that includes more people and and and
Speaker 1: generates that kind of sparks that kind of interest.
Speaker 2: If there's an NFL game, let me tell you something.
Speaker 6: You lost touch with reality because the product last night,
Speaker 6: because Ronto Seattle game was a nail fighter who was
Speaker 6: a great game, as far as the Detroit Lion football
Speaker 6: game twenty four to nine wasn't much.
Speaker 3: Of a game.
Speaker 6: However, However, here's where you have no idea what you're
Speaker 6: talking about, okay, because it's all about gambling. Baseball is
Speaker 6: not a great game to gamble on. Football is perfect.
Speaker 6: And everybody who's watching NFL more often than not, has
Speaker 6: money involved in they're gambling. And let me tell you
Speaker 6: something else. Let me go one step further. I don't
Speaker 6: know if you read this, but the nc double A
Speaker 6: is thinking they have say don't even tell me this now, please,
Speaker 6: but the NCAA is thinking to permit college athletes to
Speaker 6: bet our professional sports, not on collegiate sports, but on
Speaker 6: pro sports. So what are you telling me right now
Speaker 6: is that the college kids could take their nil money
Speaker 6: and spend it on wagering. Are you freaking killing me?
Speaker 2: It wasn't my idea.
Speaker 1: It wasn't my idea, Andy, And I think that's awful
Speaker 1: anytime there is gambling involved involving the people who are
Speaker 1: actually playing the game, or maybe on an NFL team
Speaker 1: next year. I think that it absolutely erodes any semblance
Speaker 1: of integrity associated with that sport. I couldn't agree with
Speaker 1: you more about that. But the NFL, let's just period,
Speaker 1: end of story. The NFL is America's sport. And you
Speaker 1: could put anything on opposite the NFL, a bad NFL game,
Speaker 1: and the NFL would still win in the ratings.
Speaker 2: And you're back to square one with your argument.
Speaker 6: Andy, Well, I will tell you this much now. I mean,
Speaker 6: the Gamly situation stinks the NFL all of a sudden,
Speaker 6: and I'll go back and I'm that I'm not from
Speaker 6: another world, okay, but I'm gonna go back to my
Speaker 6: childhood when the NFL games were blacked out. I lived
Speaker 6: in New York City and I was a New York
Speaker 6: Football Giants fan, and people would get in their cars
Speaker 6: and drove the Connecticut to watch the Football Giants play
Speaker 6: the whole home games because home games were blacked out.
Speaker 2: Now, hold on, hold on, hold on.
Speaker 1: In a city of eight million people, Yeah, okay, there's
Speaker 1: a couple of professional teams in New York City, But
Speaker 1: in a city of eight million people, they can't fill
Speaker 1: a fifty thousand seat stadium.
Speaker 6: But that was the role. I know, if if the game,
Speaker 6: if the game wasn't together.
Speaker 2: And if if the game wasn't.
Speaker 1: They were if the game, if the game wasn't sold out,
Speaker 1: then the games were blacked out on TV in that market.
Speaker 6: No, yes, no, they were blacked out. They were blacked out.
Speaker 2: In that market.
Speaker 1: They were blacked out because the stadium did not sell out.
Speaker 1: If the stadium was sold out, there were no blackoutsy Okay.
Speaker 6: So the points of the matter, ison, I go back
Speaker 6: and checkpoint. I think home games home games were in
Speaker 6: fact blackout and the Giants were sold out. The Giants
Speaker 6: were sold out. Look, it's still a waiting list of
Speaker 6: tickets for the New York Football Giants inherent tickets those games.
Speaker 6: There was a band on home games with the ownership
Speaker 6: back then in the sixties and early seventies were fearful
Speaker 6: that television would hurt the gate. And they make a
Speaker 6: difference if the sold out or not. You cannot watch
Speaker 6: a home game in the city you lived in if
Speaker 6: they were home. That's what it was. Well, and they
Speaker 6: changed that and it didn't effect that at all.
Speaker 4: It didn't.
Speaker 1: They got they got rid of the blackout rule. It's
Speaker 1: gone right, It's been gone for years.
Speaker 6: And when I got rid of the black guy rule,
Speaker 6: almost at the same time that got rid of that,
Speaker 6: all of a sudden, fantasy football came alive and everybody
Speaker 6: went crazy. And it's the greatest invention in the world.
Speaker 6: And I'll tell you why not to go to the money,
Speaker 6: not to go to the gambling, because people learned who
Speaker 6: the players were. That's what it's all about. I used
Speaker 6: to go to a Bengal game and I hear people
Speaker 6: sitting behind me cheering for the opposition, and I turned
Speaker 6: around and I asked them, what are you so happy about? Well,
Speaker 6: I got them in my fantasy league. That's what it's
Speaker 6: all about. It is people know to play. You can
Speaker 6: tell me baseball needs to do something like that, because
Speaker 6: not only do you not know to plays, you can't
Speaker 6: even pronounce their freaking name. Island, I never heard of, Jillie.
Speaker 1: You and I Andy have our voice to pretend that
Speaker 1: we're general managers every time we talk about the NFL
Speaker 1: and what we would do. This gives the average person
Speaker 1: who doesn't have a radio platform a chance or maybe
Speaker 1: the platform that we have a chance to be a
Speaker 1: GM and to actually control the puppet strings. That is
Speaker 1: the appeal of fantasy football.
Speaker 6: To me, all the appeal is money. Stop being so logical.
Speaker 6: It's all about money. Why do you play fantasy football
Speaker 6: to be a general manager or to win some buck's
Speaker 6: not bragging right.
Speaker 1: To do both, to have control and maybe win your league.
Speaker 6: Sure, I see these kids playing fantasy football the end
Speaker 6: of the year that has like a awards dinner and
Speaker 6: they give out championship rings. I see them a championship
Speaker 6: rings for the team or the individual that has the
Speaker 6: winning players. It's unbelievable, really well, but that's just great.
Speaker 6: Baseball doesn't have anything like that. And I'll tell you what,
Speaker 6: if I was a marketing guy in Major League Baseball,
Speaker 6: I would go to a fast food team like a
Speaker 6: McDonald's and Wendy's and Burger team and have a tie
Speaker 6: in with a weekly Major League Baseball sort of a
Speaker 6: fantasy deal for kids. You know they got that bingo
Speaker 6: now at McDonald's, no one cares about bingo. Whatever the
Speaker 6: heck it is bingo.
Speaker 1: I don't know what it is, Monopoly, Monodonald's check kids.
Speaker 6: Wait, these kids today the gun McDonald's have no idea.
Speaker 6: What the freak Monopoly. Is that was a big game
Speaker 6: fifty years ago. Go give me monopoly, Give me baseball.
Speaker 6: The marketing people in Major League Baseball, get off your
Speaker 6: rear end and contact McDonald's and get a tie in.
Speaker 6: But baseball.
Speaker 1: All right, I mean, if you've got a couple dollars
Speaker 1: off your happy meal or something. Maybe the reason kids
Speaker 1: are fat in America today is because they are playing
Speaker 1: fantasy football and they're not out in the backyard running
Speaker 1: around playing real football with their friends like we used
Speaker 1: to do, and staying in shape, getting some cardio, getting outside,
Speaker 1: getting out of their phones, getting out of their little
Speaker 1: computer world. It's too easy just to sit on a
Speaker 1: couch somewhere and become veal instead of actually actively participating
Speaker 1: in a sport they supposedly love, whether it's football, baseball,
Speaker 1: or anything else.
Speaker 6: Let me come in you in that last remark, because
Speaker 6: it's funny you mentioned that. This afternoon at the Covington
Speaker 6: Rotary Club at the Eradison Hotel, doctor Connor, a forensic psychiatrist,
Speaker 6: gave the same speech. While the youth of America today
Speaker 6: is overweight because of their cell phone, social media and
Speaker 6: everything like that, it's unbelievable. He had everybody with their
Speaker 6: mouths open at the club and I'm lucky, and I say,
Speaker 6: you didn't know that. You could just take a look.
Speaker 6: One out of every three kids is overweight. Why they
Speaker 6: can't get their phone out of their hand, That's what
Speaker 6: it's No one want. Kids don't ride bicycles anymore. There's
Speaker 6: no creativity with kids anymore. Think about that. When you
Speaker 6: were a kid, you went to the store, got an
Speaker 6: empty box and you played house, right, it was creative.
Speaker 6: Creativity is give it to us?
Speaker 3: Now?
Speaker 1: Hey, Andy computer, you mentioned that did you did you
Speaker 1: play house when you were a little kid? And who
Speaker 1: was your housemaid? Or did you play the or Andy?
Speaker 1: Did you play doctor? Did you play doctor with the
Speaker 1: girl next door or the boy?
Speaker 6: No comment on that, no comment. Not only did I
Speaker 6: play house with that box? My wife gave me a
Speaker 6: box the other day and that's who I've been sleeping
Speaker 6: in the other day. You won't let me back in
Speaker 6: the house. But that's another story.
Speaker 1: By the way, I wanted to let you know that
Speaker 1: a friend of mine got me a Jose Riho cigar.
Speaker 1: And I know that your friends with Jose. You've been
Speaker 1: longtime friends with Jose and.
Speaker 6: We were partners. We were business partners, you know. We
Speaker 6: had Furman Sports Cafe. He was a part owner as
Speaker 6: I was, as so was the late Greg cot from
Speaker 6: the quarterback of the Bengals.
Speaker 2: Liked the cigar? Can you get me another one? Since
Speaker 2: you know Jose so well, I'll give my holler.
Speaker 6: And he's usually in Cincinnati, probably once a month, but
Speaker 6: I'll get a hold of him.
Speaker 1: We'll get some the great I know that, I know
Speaker 1: that he stops into your house when he's in town
Speaker 1: sometimes just parks in the driveway and busts in the
Speaker 1: door and demands a cigar from you. So maybe it's
Speaker 1: time you demand a cigar from Jose for for Gary
Speaker 1: Jeff host.
Speaker 6: Of the Hold the Story but the List, I me
Speaker 6: kate the town shrove to my home and he left
Speaker 6: his family in his car and I came in and
Speaker 6: spent like an hour from my house. I said, bring
Speaker 6: him in, you know not. He had the kids in
Speaker 6: and his wife and they were all in the car.
Speaker 6: I said, come on in. No, no, it's okay. I'll
Speaker 6: just see another minute. And then all the Davis found
Speaker 6: out and he was there. So there was a line
Speaker 6: on my driveway for design autographs to take pictures.
Speaker 2: That's phenomenal, So cigar.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I should have choked. I blew that opportunity.
Speaker 2: Can you get me a stogy from Jose Rio? And
Speaker 2: all right?
Speaker 6: Yes, I will, yes, I will.
Speaker 2: All right, that'd be great.
Speaker 1: And I if he's if he's got a good Churchill
Speaker 1: or Maduro out, I'd prefer that. All right, Andy, go
Speaker 1: ahead and get out, Go ahead and get out of
Speaker 1: your car. Oh that's right, you live in your car
Speaker 1: because your wife has kicked you out of the house.
Speaker 2: I forgot that.
Speaker 6: It's the car of the box. I kind of like that,
Speaker 6: the seat and the car better than laying on the
Speaker 6: ground in the box.
Speaker 2: All right for Paul, thanks a lot.
Speaker 1: My friend Bye Dave had her comes up next Doomsday
Speaker 1: Dave cyber news you need to know on this nightcap
Speaker 1: on seven hundred w l W. Time for another visit
Speaker 1: with our friend Doomsday. Dave the Mad had her guy
Speaker 1: from interest I t who he's here as as our
Speaker 1: proverbial cyber canarian the coal Mine, to warn us about
Speaker 1: how technology is going to destroy us all and things
Speaker 1: to look out for and it's all AI all the
Speaker 1: time now. Dave first and foremost let's get to this
Speaker 1: story from futurism dot com. Researchers find it shockingly easy
Speaker 1: to cause AI to lose its mind by poison by
Speaker 1: posting poison documents online.
Speaker 2: But what does this story have to do with.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so this is interesting and it goes back to
Speaker 4: what in the business would be known as input risk,
Speaker 4: Gary Jeb. Input risk covers a lot of things, and
Speaker 4: you have input risk and output risk when you talk
Speaker 4: about these generative AI tools. Again, we're primarily focused on
Speaker 4: large language model based generative AI tools like GROCK, like Gemini,
Speaker 4: like chat GPT. So when you use these things and
Speaker 4: you enter a prompt, right, what you put in that
Speaker 4: prompt be malicious, And there's all kinds of different ways
Speaker 4: to do this, but basically what they're saying is that
Speaker 4: if you quote poison, poisonous kind of a generic term
Speaker 4: also in the business for putting something malicious into an input.
Speaker 4: And ideally, Gary Jeff, if you're doing all of this
Speaker 4: right from a developer standpoint, you're trying to validate your
Speaker 4: inputs and knock out anything malicious slash poison. But their
Speaker 4: research shows that you can try to like jail break
Speaker 4: the AI get it to give you answers that it's
Speaker 4: not supposed to give you, like, you know, generally speaking,
Speaker 4: it won't give you an answer on like how to
Speaker 4: make a bomb or something like that, right, And their
Speaker 4: point is, and this is not the first time that's
Speaker 4: come up at their point is, in many of these things,
Speaker 4: in any of these tools, you can put in poison
Speaker 4: inputs and get it to behave in ways that it's
Speaker 4: not supposed to behave, give you information that it shouldn't
Speaker 4: give you, you know, and potentially do other more nefarious things.
Speaker 4: Because as a reminder, and I think this is so
Speaker 4: important for people to remember, and I also want to
Speaker 4: be clear here, I'm not anti AI, but I think
Speaker 4: a lot of the bloom is starting to come off
Speaker 4: these generative AI tools and a lot of the hype
Speaker 4: is starting to be shown because of things like this.
Speaker 4: And I don't know, I don't think I sent you
Speaker 4: this on. Gary Jeff, one of the key guys who
Speaker 4: came up with the term vibe coding, which is the
Speaker 4: idea that you can use these AI tools to generate
Speaker 4: software by a computer code, just mentioned that his most
Speaker 4: recent project he coded by hand. So what does that
Speaker 4: tell you? But my point to getting back to your
Speaker 4: specific question, is if you enter poison intuts, you can
Speaker 4: fool these things that are doing things they shouldn't do,
Speaker 4: and you could potentially start to manipulate the large language
Speaker 4: model itself because what you put in there becomes part
Speaker 4: of the training going forward. So it's an interesting concept,
Speaker 4: and I just want to encourage people. Everyone should go
Speaker 4: check these things out for themselves, but understand this idea
Speaker 4: of input and output risk. First off, never put any
Speaker 4: sensitive information, anything that you wouldn't want someone else to see,
Speaker 4: any kind of conversation and you might be having with
Speaker 4: one of these things that you would not want out
Speaker 4: there into one of these tools, because even if you
Speaker 4: read the terms of service, it's confused opoly that you
Speaker 4: probably won't be able to understand, and there's no guarantee
Speaker 4: that that won't get out. So that's part of the
Speaker 4: input risk. And the output risk is because with or
Speaker 4: without the poisoning, it may just literally make things up.
Speaker 4: So I think again, the blue is starting to come
Speaker 4: off the roads on some of the AI heights that
Speaker 4: we're seeing. I don't think we're all going to be
Speaker 4: replaced by it anytime soon, at least on the path
Speaker 4: that we're on, but I've been wrong before, Gary Jeff,
Speaker 4: so we'll have to wait and see.
Speaker 1: Well, you know that's had a guest done last night
Speaker 1: talking about this, and yeah, Elon Musk and Bill Gates
Speaker 1: are all on board with us being replaced. It seems
Speaker 1: like from what they've written and things that they keep
Speaker 1: doing chat GPT. I don't know, Dave, I don't know
Speaker 1: if we ever talked about the story where the guy
Speaker 1: got assistance from the chat bot to kill himself the kid.
Speaker 2: Did we ever talk about it?
Speaker 4: I think we might have, and I've certainly alluded to
Speaker 4: it a lot in talking about this topic. And I
Speaker 4: mean this also kind of goes to both the input
Speaker 4: risk and the output risk when you're if you're you know,
Speaker 4: and there are companies who've built chatbots specifically to be
Speaker 4: like online psychotherapists, whereas chat GPT or Jim and I
Speaker 4: are rocker more general purpose AI tools. But if you're
Speaker 4: if you're talking to one of these tools about anything
Speaker 4: that is sensitive to you, things you would not want
Speaker 4: other people to know about. Yeah, your spouse, your family,
Speaker 4: your employer, your your doctor, your insurance company, whatever, you
Speaker 4: should think long and hard about using any of these
Speaker 4: tools that are free. Now, it's one thing to set
Speaker 4: up your own instance of this if you know how
Speaker 4: to do it and shield yourself from the potential privacy
Speaker 4: concerns and exposure that could be created. But it's another
Speaker 4: altogether to just go in and then the output risk
Speaker 4: coming back to that again is what you just said.
Speaker 4: You know, there are apparently many document instances, can several
Speaker 4: lawsuits out there based around people who have either I'm
Speaker 4: going to use this term mostly quote kind of lost
Speaker 4: in their mind and gone off the deep end as
Speaker 4: a result of ongoing conversations with these tools, and or
Speaker 4: in some in some really tragic and sad instances, people
Speaker 4: have killed themselves. And you know, the argument is that
Speaker 4: the tool allegedly kind of led them down the primrose path,
Speaker 4: like you can kill yourself and we could be together forever,
Speaker 4: or or things like that. Again, this is all alleged.
Speaker 4: There are suits in court. Now we'll see where this
Speaker 4: all goes. But you know, it's not alive. It's not
Speaker 4: your friend. I also remind people to carry Jeff when
Speaker 4: you use these tools. Again, I suggest everyone who tried
Speaker 4: them for themselves. I personally like Rock the best. That's
Speaker 4: the one from x slash elon munk. When you understand
Speaker 4: what it's capable of and what it's not capable of,
Speaker 4: and that you need to vet the outputs and so forth,
Speaker 4: it can be an enormous time service savor in many ways.
Speaker 4: So again I'm not anti AI necessarily, but I am
Speaker 4: concerned about people not understanding the input and output risk
Speaker 4: and then potentially because it wants to keep you using
Speaker 4: the tool, it wants to satisfy you. That's partially why
Speaker 4: you get these hallucinations where it just makes things up.
Speaker 4: You know, if you understand all that, again, it can
Speaker 4: be a super handy productivity tool. But if you don't
Speaker 4: understand those things, and if you don't understand that, you
Speaker 4: may be led astray by it a trying to keep
Speaker 4: a conversation going with you because it's incentivized to keep
Speaker 4: you using it as much as possible, and be it
Speaker 4: will just completely make things up. You could have some
Speaker 4: serious problems as a result.
Speaker 1: Speaking of things being completely made up, chat GPT plans
Speaker 1: the perfect holiday to places that don't exist.
Speaker 2: Tell me about this one.
Speaker 4: Dave will Great segue, Gary Jeff and a perfect example
Speaker 4: of what I've been trying to illustrate with this idea
Speaker 4: of output risks. So it's well documented now and this
Speaker 4: is a story from the Times out of London where
Speaker 4: they talk to several people who have used chat GPT again,
Speaker 4: a large language based generative AI tool like Rock or
Speaker 4: Gemini or Perplexity or Anthropic or others. So I don't
Speaker 4: want people to think it's just because you don't use
Speaker 4: CHATSPT you might not get a similar result. Okay, any
Speaker 4: of these generative AI, large language model tools could produce
Speaker 4: this kind of result because it's essentially a hallucination. Sometimes
Speaker 4: people will call it confabulation. If you see those two terms,
Speaker 4: you can think of them interchangeably. When it comes to AI.
Speaker 4: People are going in and saying hey, because a lot
Speaker 4: of people will use a tool like chat GPT to
Speaker 4: do things like, well, give me a menu for dinner
Speaker 4: tonight and it'll whip something up. Okay, that's one of
Speaker 4: the ways that can be really handy. Or you know,
Speaker 4: I'm planning a trip, could you give me an itinerary
Speaker 4: flight and see all the cool things in Scotland for example. Right,
Speaker 4: So people enter a prompt like that and they get
Speaker 4: a response, and what you're finding it again it really
Speaker 4: drives from this point of output risk and hallucination. In
Speaker 4: some cases, it just literally made things up, like it's
Speaker 4: telling people, go see this particular your thing, people love
Speaker 4: this thing in this country or whatever. And you know,
Speaker 4: someone doesn't understand the idea of hallucination, and they book
Speaker 4: a trip and they get there and find out that
Speaker 4: it's just literally been made up. Here's an example from
Speaker 4: the story. An elderly Malaysian couple traveled more than one
Speaker 4: hundred and eighty miles to visit a scenic mountain cable
Speaker 4: car they had seen online, only discover upon arrival that
Speaker 4: the attraction had been invented by AI. And this is
Speaker 4: what I mean Gary Jeff too about the bloom coming
Speaker 4: off of some of this stuff. While I really do
Speaker 4: believe these tools can when you understand the limitations, can
Speaker 4: be like rocket fuel when you apply them correctly, When
Speaker 4: you don't understand these things, I mean, how much can
Speaker 4: you trust something, especially if you're in some sort of critical,
Speaker 4: critical business, Let's say, like a doctor. If you know
Speaker 4: that some percentage of the time, some percentage less than
Speaker 4: zero of the time, it's literally going to tell you
Speaker 4: something that is just completely made up. I know you've
Speaker 4: seen the story of Gary Jeff. I'm sure we've talked
Speaker 4: about this, where attorneys have gone to court with brief
Speaker 4: prepared by this these tools. They don't understand this, and
Speaker 4: it's literally referred to cases that just do not exist.
Speaker 4: And you know, some attorneys have been sanctioned as a result,
Speaker 4: which I would think that would be the least that
Speaker 4: should happen. There's also another story. I don't have it
Speaker 4: in front of me, but where apparently like someone asks, like,
Speaker 4: give me the twenty five best selling books of the
Speaker 4: last year, and it just literally made book self. So
Speaker 4: that again, output risk hallucination if you don't understand that
Speaker 4: the real bottom line is Gary Jeff, you simply cannot
Speaker 4: assume that whatever you get from one of these tools
Speaker 4: is correct unless you already have a pretty good knowledge
Speaker 4: about the subject and or go vet it. And that's
Speaker 4: why I think people are starting to realize that this
Speaker 4: is not all it's cracked up to be. As it
Speaker 4: is today, Well, it get better, probably, Could it replace
Speaker 4: us all in the future, maybe, but I don't think
Speaker 4: we're anywhere close to that based on these kinds of
Speaker 4: stories that we're now seeing in increasing numbers.
Speaker 1: A hacker used AI allegedly to automate an unprecedented cyber
Speaker 1: crimes free according to this story that was from NBC News.
Speaker 2: What's that all about?
Speaker 4: Well, now, this is one of my real concerns about AI. Again,
Speaker 4: I'm less concerned at the moment that we're all going
Speaker 4: to be replaced, or the terminators are going to fall
Speaker 4: out of the sky and wipe us out or anything
Speaker 4: like that. Again, in the long run, who knows. And
Speaker 4: this stuff is moving really fast. I don't know what's
Speaker 4: in some labs somewhere. I just know that when I
Speaker 4: use these tools myself, and I see this increasing number
Speaker 4: of stories about the limitations that are increasingly being discovered,
Speaker 4: I'm less worried about that. And on a related headline
Speaker 4: to what you just said, Gary Jeff from Security Week,
Speaker 4: Microsoft says Russia trying to increasingly using AI to escalate
Speaker 4: cyber attacks on the US. And it's really sort of
Speaker 4: a two pronged thing. There's the deep fake angle of
Speaker 4: it is it is trivially easy for anyone in your
Speaker 4: listening audience to go online and find a site where
Speaker 4: they can clone a voice. Yeah, people will ask me
Speaker 4: all the time, Well, I'm not a celebrity like Gary Jeff,
Speaker 4: how would you get my voice? Well, even if you're
Speaker 4: a Lotte and you're totally off the grid from a
Speaker 4: social media perspective, do you have a voicemail greeting? If
Speaker 4: I call your phone, is your voice on the voicemail greeting?
Speaker 4: Because if it is, I literally can record your voice
Speaker 4: from the voicemail greeting and I have actually done this
Speaker 4: and feed it into one of these models and clone
Speaker 4: your voice. So, whether it's deep fake audio, deep fake video,
Speaker 4: the ability to create increasingly and incredibly realistically realistic looking
Speaker 4: things is rapidly advancing. So that is a major concern.
Speaker 4: And then the ability to use these tools to automate attacks,
Speaker 4: to generate code that could be used for attacks is
Speaker 4: you know, it's rapidly enabling bad actors to up their game,
Speaker 4: both in terms of the frequency of their attacks as
Speaker 4: well as the sophistication of their attacks. That is a
Speaker 4: real threat. I am very concerned about that, especially on
Speaker 4: our critical infrastructure, because we continue to see and you
Speaker 4: know it's a side topic, Gary Jeff, but the Amazon
Speaker 4: Web services outage yesterday brought down all kinds of things,
Speaker 4: all kinds of things, which also speaks to the crappy
Speaker 4: nature of the Internet of Things. But we can get
Speaker 4: into that some other time. That you want. When you
Speaker 4: think about using AI to automate attacks and potentially knock
Speaker 4: out these core services that tower much of the Internet
Speaker 4: now and much of our world, like AWS, yeah, I'm
Speaker 4: really concerned about that. That's a real threat.
Speaker 1: How long was the outage? I only heard about it.
Speaker 1: I wasn't affected by it, thank goodness.
Speaker 4: But that's because you don't have a lot of Internet
Speaker 4: of Things garbage. I don't use a lot of online garbage. No,
Speaker 4: you're a smart guy.
Speaker 1: I don't have a Lesis at home. And by the way,
Speaker 1: I would like to be a celebrity like Gary Jeff
Speaker 1: when I grow up.
Speaker 2: I hope, I hope I can make it someday.
Speaker 4: Dave Oh, I understand. But it was out most of
Speaker 4: the day and across many many services, including people's like
Speaker 4: ring doorbells, and I've seen people posting online that they're
Speaker 4: so called smart quote unquote. Bed stopped working because, of course,
Speaker 4: it used some sort of back end service from Amazon
Speaker 4: Web Services. Making my point that the so called Internet
Speaker 4: of Things is really a privacy and security dumpster fire
Speaker 4: and I'm much more worried about all of this cheap garbage,
Speaker 4: much of it coming from our friends and the Chinese
Speaker 4: Communist Party are going to wipe us out long before
Speaker 4: AI does.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and bring back window cracks and window cranks and cars.
Speaker 4: I'm not right.
Speaker 1: I'm not paying eight hundred dollars for that motor and
Speaker 1: what the computer modules out too? Jeez, real quickly, last uh.
Speaker 1: You always want to know about things follow the money.
Speaker 1: Goldman Sacks says AI is overhyped, wildly expensive, and unreliable.
Speaker 2: Do you agree with Goldman.
Speaker 4: Sacks to a large extent, Yes, I do. Again, I
Speaker 4: think it has it in its current form, it can
Speaker 4: be useful when you understand all its limitations. But I
Speaker 4: love one of the quotes from this Goldman Sax report.
Speaker 4: So the headline you read is from four oh four.
Speaker 4: Goldman Sacks put out a paper called gen AI too
Speaker 4: much spend, too little benefit question mark, and one of
Speaker 4: the direct cluites is despite its expensive price tag, the
Speaker 4: technology is nowhere near where it needs to be in
Speaker 4: order to be useful for even such basic tasks. And this,
Speaker 4: to me gets back to what I was saying before.
Speaker 4: It if you have just a ten percent chance of hallucination,
Speaker 4: and that hallucination is something totally off the wall or
Speaker 4: could cause catastrophe in the real world or possibly lead
Speaker 4: someone to committing suicide. Is can you take that chance
Speaker 4: on a regular basis depending on what you do, I'm
Speaker 4: going to say in many businesses, No, you know, you've
Speaker 4: got to get a near zero chance of hallucination. And
Speaker 4: you know, when you read into the Goldman Sacks Report,
Speaker 4: you know they point out a lot of the things
Speaker 4: that we've already touched on here. So again, I don't
Speaker 4: want to say it has no value. It does, But
Speaker 4: do people really need to start looking at what the
Speaker 4: theay sayers are saying and then figure out how to
Speaker 4: use these things in a way where they stay in
Speaker 4: the guard and don't cause these kind of problems for themselves.
Speaker 4: Because there is an upside, you just have to be
Speaker 4: careful in how you get.
Speaker 2: There, all right, All right?
Speaker 1: So you know the thing is people used to pay
Speaker 1: me to hallucinate or something like that. I don't know,
Speaker 1: It's been a long time ago. Uh So, Dave Headery Jie.
Speaker 4: A lot of people that know me would tell you
Speaker 4: I'm hallucinating all the time. But used to think I
Speaker 4: was crazy on these subjects, but it's it's interesting because
Speaker 4: I seem to be a lot more correct about these
Speaker 4: predictions I've made over the years than I previously was.
Speaker 1: Dave, have you considered the fact that possibly we're both
Speaker 1: hallucinating right now and this is all just a simulation.
Speaker 4: Turtles all the way down, brother, all.
Speaker 2: Right, Dave Hadder doomsday. Dave, thank you very much for.
Speaker 1: The info and and the convo, and we'll do it
Speaker 1: against all right. Thanks Dave Hatter with us on the Nightcap.
Speaker 1: Back to wrap up in just a moment, as Dave
Speaker 1: Hatter just said moments ago, turtles all the way down,
Speaker 1: whatever that means. As always, thank you for being a
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