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Speaker 1: Is Tony Pike, Cincy three sixty about Cincinnati. From Cincinnati,

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Speaker 2: Number three since e three sixty. Welcome back. We welcome

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Speaker 2: have a chance to talk about anything you'd like to

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Speaker 2: get at off your chest today. Let's start here Austin

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Speaker 2: with what we normally do on Mondays during this portion

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Speaker 2: of the off season. It's called mock Draft Monday.

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Speaker 3: The pick is in.

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Speaker 1: It's time for mock Draft Monday on CINCY three sixty.

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Speaker 3: That's awesome. I forget about it every week. That's just

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Speaker 3: you'll get it eventually.

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Speaker 2: I'm for the dream, get it and get it figured out.

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Speaker 2: We've taken a look at multiple mock drafts leading up

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Speaker 2: to this, and I feel like it's just been a

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Speaker 2: game to this point because we've let yet to find

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Speaker 2: a mock draft that could perhaps land on Reuben Bain

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Speaker 2: or Caleb Downs. We're throwing corners out there, we're throwing

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Speaker 2: tackles out there. Every scenario has been met except for

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Speaker 2: the two that I would most like to happen when

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Speaker 2: the NFL Draft is upon us. What do we have

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Speaker 2: today to look at?

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Speaker 3: Well, I'm actually gonna combine too that kind of go

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Speaker 3: right into that idea. Number one is Daniel Jeremiah from

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Speaker 3: NFL Network. He's a friend of the show. He released

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Speaker 3: Mock Draft two. We did one of his first I

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Speaker 3: think our first mock draft Monday was his first mock draft.

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Speaker 3: And then I also want to combine that with Paul

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Speaker 3: Danner Junior, who put out his what he calls mock

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Speaker 3: Draft zero point five. Okay, and I implore people to

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Speaker 3: go and listen to Paul and read his piece, and

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Speaker 3: he'll be on with Moe this afternoon talking about it.

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Speaker 3: So what's interesting here is the criteria that Paul uses.

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Speaker 3: He said he uses the eighty percent rule. Any player

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Speaker 3: eighty percent of the way to the pick. In each

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Speaker 3: round in the top one hundred is available. So at

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Speaker 3: number ten, the top seven are considered off the board

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Speaker 3: based off Dane Brugler's top one hundred and so in

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Speaker 3: that case, number ten in the NFL Draft, Paul Danner

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Speaker 3: Junior has Ruben Bain Junior being selected by the Cincinnati Bengals.

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Speaker 3: Let me ask you this, if nothing else happens this offseason, Okay,

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Speaker 3: if they basically run it back with the same group,

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Speaker 3: but you add Ruben Bain in, how much better.

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Speaker 2: Do you feel marginally? Marginally they need much more than that.

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Speaker 2: I think it would certainly give them a presence that

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Speaker 2: they didn't have on the defensive line consistently. But they

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Speaker 2: need much more than that. But I think that would

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Speaker 2: be a step in the right direction. But I think

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Speaker 2: it's a marginal difference on the defensive side. Meanwhile, NFL Network,

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Speaker 2: NFL dot Com. Daniel Jeremiah his mock draft two point

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Speaker 2: zero is especially interesting because it has David Bailey, the

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Speaker 2: edge rusher, going number two to the Jets. We've talked

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Speaker 2: a lot about how rvel Reese has basically been the

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Speaker 2: guy right there. Well, he also has Tennessee taking Ruben

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Speaker 2: Bain at number four, meaning rvel Reese is still available

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Speaker 2: all the way up until pick number seven on the

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Speaker 2: Washington Commanders select him. According to Daniel Jeremiah, at number nine,

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Speaker 2: he has the Chiefs taking Jeremiah Love interesting, meaning at

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Speaker 2: number ten, the Bengals select Caleb Downs out of Ohio

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Speaker 2: State here's what Jeremiah says.

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Speaker 3: It's short and sweet. Cincinnati stays in state with this pick.

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Speaker 3: The Bengals defense could use consistency and structure. Downs provides both.

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Speaker 3: I think, out of the two, I think Downs can

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Speaker 3: impact the defense single handedly more than rubyen Bain I do.

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Speaker 3: I just think his presence at the back end and

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Speaker 2: I see. The defensive line is different because there are

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Speaker 2: You're going up against NFL guys every single rep. Your

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Speaker 2: And I think ruben Bain is going to make a

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Speaker 2: great transition. But I think Downs has the ability to

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Speaker 3: I put up a poll question because I had read

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Speaker 3: most people feel like ruben Bain is the best pass

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Speaker 2: Which is crazy because David Bailey has been all over

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that his body type and arm lang and reach

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Speaker 3: kind of separates him. Sure, but Rubin Bain is known

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Speaker 3: as the guy who kind of unifies your defense, gets

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Speaker 3: you in the right spots, and is elite in knowing

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Speaker 3: I guess play recognition, knowing where the ball is going,

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Speaker 3: question at Audi Elmore. That's a U T y E

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Speaker 3: L m O r E on Twitter. If you're a

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Speaker 3: Bengals fan, who would you rather have? You can only

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Speaker 3: pick one, Rubin Bain Junior or Caleb Downs. Now, based

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Speaker 3: off what you just said, you would lean Caleb Downs. Yes,

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Speaker 3: So you're telling me, if at number ten both of

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Speaker 3: those guys are on the board, you're taking Caleb Downs

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Speaker 3: over Ruben Bain Junior. I am fifty three point nine

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Speaker 3: percent of the voters agree with you. Fifty three point

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Speaker 3: nine say they would take Caleb Downs over Ruben Bain

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Speaker 3: Junior if they're the Bengals. I like this, Please go

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Speaker 3: vote almost five hundred votes in still plenty of time

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Speaker 3: to talk about it. Let me ask you, Let me

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Speaker 3: ask you another hypothetical to attack. By the way, sorry,

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Speaker 3: let me finish this off, John Sheer and our guy. Yes,

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Speaker 3: he replied, and said, there aren't many above Caleb Downs,

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Speaker 3: but Ruben Bain should be. Okay, So misster.

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Speaker 2: A what if scenario, Bradley Chubb's available, okay, nine sacks

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Speaker 2: a move from Bradley Chubb? Yeah, who just got released

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Speaker 3: Go to it. That obviously makes it easier to take

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Speaker 3: Caleb Downs. Yeah, I'd be I'd be open to it.

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Speaker 2: Because so much of the conversation and we'll get to

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Speaker 2: it as well as Andrew Whitbore saying you gotta go

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Speaker 2: get Max Crosby. You gotta go get Max Crosby. I

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Speaker 2: don't know if that's plausible, but here's a guy in Chubb,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's a move that makes sense. I

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Speaker 3: resurgence under Jerry Montgomery, the Bengals defensive line coach when

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Speaker 3: he was in green Bay. That's a thing that makes

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Speaker 3: a lot of sense. Draymont Jones, who is going to

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Speaker 2: That's the thing.

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Speaker 3: There's a lot of dudes that make sense when it

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Speaker 3: the way, it's a really good group of pass rushers

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Speaker 3: point of if you do what you're supposed to do

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Speaker 3: between now in the draft, it puts you in a

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Speaker 3: position to take whoever the best player available is. Let's

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Speaker 3: say you get a safety. Let's say you signed a

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Speaker 2: The Andrew Witworth conversation on his podcast with Ryan Fitzpatrick

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Speaker 2: a quote from Andrew Witworth. I want to get your

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Speaker 2: opinion on this, going after a guy like to Mario

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Speaker 2: Davis as soon as he's available, trading for Max Crosby

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Speaker 2: something like that. It'd be a lot of capital, but

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Speaker 2: that'd be the tone setter. You need the example for

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Speaker 2: your defense every single day. He said, quote, you got

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Speaker 2: some D linemen that are young guys, who who do

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Speaker 2: you want to play better? Put one of the hardest playing,

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Speaker 2: best guys that any young D lineman can follow in

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Speaker 2: the world, with Max Crosby. Paying the money, spend the

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Speaker 2: draft picks, the tenth picks at all if you have to,

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Speaker 2: but put an example in the room. Andrew Whitworth says,

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Speaker 2: Whitworth also talked about this. They actually had Nick Lachey

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Speaker 3: Of that say that kind of wipes out all the

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Speaker 2: But Andrew Whitworth did talk about. Nick lache brought up

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Speaker 2: the decision by the Bengals not to bring back Andrew Whitworth,

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Speaker 2: and he said, that's not what it's about for me.

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Speaker 2: never really did anything to push us over. They never

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Speaker 2: pick number ten if it meant Max Crosby, and I

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Speaker 2: would imagine it would be more than just pick number ten.

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Speaker 2: But is he the type of player at all costs

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Speaker 2: that would immediately change this defense, because then you'd be

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Speaker 2: giving up on the ideas what we just talked about,

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Speaker 2: of you know, signing a Bradley Chubb, signing a different

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Speaker 2: player like that, and then still drafting a case Downs

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Speaker 2: possibly or a tackle. You would lose that. But then

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Speaker 2: you talk about Max Crosby, and I think the other

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Speaker 2: side of this is, well, you can get one of

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Speaker 2: five years on a team friendly deal.

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Speaker 3: Why can't you do that with Max Crosby.

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Speaker 2: I just don't think.

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Speaker 3: I'm saying, like, I don't think you could keep the

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Speaker 3: tenth No you can't. That's what I'm saying. If it's

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Speaker 3: I don't know why you wouldn't. This is an all

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Speaker 3: he's fully committed. He's everything you want out of that position,

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Speaker 3: and it's a guy that is going to make the

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Speaker 3: other dudes on the defensive line better. Problem is there's

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Speaker 3: a very expensive price tag sure that comes with Max Crosby.

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Speaker 3: I mean the point is, though, like you can get

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Speaker 3: on a pass rusher. You can still go and get

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Speaker 3: And I think that's ultimately maybe the point that Whitworth

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, But you can also, you know, spread that message

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Speaker 3: I'm a Shamar Stewart believer. Okay, all right, then you

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Speaker 2: And again, if I would, personally, I would just because

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Speaker 2: If you go off the Pro Football Focus rookie first

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Speaker 2: Men, it's we were a couple of weeks in and

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Speaker 4: Hey, guys, how's it going?

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Speaker 2: How are you?

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Speaker 5: Oh?

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Speaker 4: Not too bad? There's nothing that I love to talk

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Speaker 3: That's it.

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Speaker 4: You know, growing up as a Bengals fan the nineties,

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Speaker 4: I was gonna touch on the Bengals draft, like what

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Speaker 4: they did draft two linebackers in a week draft this

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Speaker 4: You know, I like uh in his draft, but they

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Speaker 4: need to address that. Hopefully, hopefully they do. Interior pass

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Speaker 4: Max Crosby. I would actually not give up the first

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Speaker 4: I think it's harder to find a pass rushing defensive

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Speaker 4: the Raiders would do it. I'm not sure if that

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Speaker 4: love Max Crosby. But again, a pass rushing defensive tackle

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Speaker 4: doesn't come home. I come come open very often, and

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Speaker 4: Wood is there from from Clemson. Uh, But I'm not

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Speaker 4: thing that Bengals need is somebody that will step in

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Speaker 4: like Shamar Stewart. I wasn't a big fan of Mr Stewart.

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Speaker 4: Actually it was funny because last year before the draft,

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Speaker 4: So I would have actually taken Malachi Starts with Safety

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Speaker 4: But they love Geno Stone for some reason, or nick

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Speaker 4: hoping that the Bengals aren't stubborn and they will address

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Speaker 4: I don't know if there's anybody available that it's that

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Speaker 4: But next to Stone, I think anybody looks at least decent.

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Speaker 4: But what do you guys think of of that? Plus

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Speaker 2: Sure, Brian appreciate the call. Also, I think there's a

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I don't know that it necessarily means they won't

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Speaker 2: You know, those players that can affect the passing game

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Speaker 2: in a way, those aren't as easy to find. So,

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Speaker 2: you know, I think there are going to be a

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Speaker 2: lot of options out there, But I think if you

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Speaker 2: kind of summarize what the call is about, I think

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Speaker 2: there's a lot of different ways this can go right.

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Speaker 2: I mean, there are people out there Austin. They're going

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Speaker 2: to look at Mass Crosby and say, well, last year

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Speaker 2: he played in fifteen games and only had ten sacks.

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Speaker 2: The year before he was Hardy only played in twelve games.

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Speaker 2: You know, where's the production? Is there an injury concern?

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Speaker 2: What production are you willing to give away for a

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Speaker 2: Max Crosby? There are going to be people out there

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Speaker 2: that would push back on that. I do think an

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Speaker 2: interesting point was made about linebacker because there was an

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Speaker 2: article today on ESPN dot com that went through the

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Speaker 2: best fits for the top fifty free agents and one

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Speaker 2: of those free agents Austin was actually le O'shanell from

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Speaker 2: the Kansas City Chiefs, and ESPN has him best fit

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Speaker 2: as a Cincinnati Bengal. The ability to walk up into

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Speaker 2: the front, the ability to pressure. He would give the

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Speaker 2: defense more flexibility. And four years with the Chiefs he

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Speaker 2: recorded one hundred and ninety three tackles, seven sacks, and

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Speaker 2: twenty eight pressures. That to me would be a perfect

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Speaker 2: type of answer for linebacker. Yeah, don't dip back into

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Speaker 2: the draft, get a proven guy.

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Speaker 3: And don't forget what their plan was. Their plan was

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Speaker 3: to still have Logan Wilson around, right, and he just

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Speaker 3: couldn't play anymore. And so I think for that reason

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Speaker 3: they will dip into at the very least a veteran.

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Speaker 3: Don't know that they'll draft one. I hope they do. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: but you know, I think they'll get a veteran, whether

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Speaker 3: it's to Mario David or Leoschanel or someone like that.

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Speaker 3: I think they will makes a lot of especially with

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Speaker 3: two young guys in that room. I was thinking about

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Speaker 3: this over the weekend. If you could redraft, would you

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Speaker 3: take Carson Sweisinger at number eighteen?

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Speaker 2: Sure?

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Speaker 3: Defense, could you imagine I remember being so angry. I

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Speaker 3: was whatever I had in my hand, I slammed it

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Speaker 3: down when I saw that the Browns drafted him with

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Speaker 3: the first pick in the second round. And I'm thinking

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Speaker 3: back on that. I haven't looked at the redrafts, but

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Speaker 3: could you imagine this defense if they had gotten him

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Speaker 3: last year? Be a lot different, entirely different story, I

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Speaker 3: feel like, be a lot different. The other news today

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Speaker 3: is obviously the franchise tag. That window has opened. The

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Speaker 3: decision will be around Trey Hendrickson in twenty twenty six.

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Speaker 3: The window opens today, it runs through March third, and

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Speaker 3: the Bengals obviously have a decision to make. How do

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Speaker 3: you view And I know we can dive into this

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Speaker 3: as the week goes on and we wait and see

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Speaker 3: what happens with Trey Hendrickson. Are you using the tag

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Speaker 3: on Ray Hendrickson looking to trade because the answer would

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Speaker 3: be what are you getting in return for a Trey Hendrickson?

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Speaker 3: What are teams willing to offer? What is what is

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Speaker 3: your ideal scenario as the franchise tag deadline opens today?

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Speaker 3: Ideal scenario would be tag him and trade him for

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Speaker 3: a third round pick.

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Speaker 2: Third round is your that's your get in price.

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Speaker 3: I'd be thrilled with that.

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Speaker 2: Would you give him up for a fourth?

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Speaker 3: Probably? Okay, just to be done with it.

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Speaker 2: I just I don't know the market's going to be there.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't.

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Speaker 2: And it's not a s I mean, like it's no surprise.

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Speaker 2: The relationships not great between the two.

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Speaker 3: Kelsey Conway reported this morning that the Bengals are going

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Speaker 3: to spend the week in Indianapolis gauging value, gauging interest

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Speaker 3: in Trey Hendrickson, and kind of decide from there. Okay, Now,

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Speaker 3: if you're the other teams that the Bengals are talking to,

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Speaker 3: you know, they got to make a decision. So you're

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Speaker 3: not going to be give you know, oh we'll give

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Speaker 3: you a second round pick, We'll give you a high

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Speaker 3: third round pick. You're gonna be low balling them because

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Speaker 3: you would rather Trey Hendrickson hits the open market and

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Speaker 3: you can give up something or you don't have to

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Speaker 3: give up something to get him other than money.

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Speaker 2: Correct. I think I would. I would not expect anyone

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Speaker 2: to combine to open and be like, oh, we'd love

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Speaker 2: to give you a second, we'd love to give you

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Speaker 2: a third. I just don't think that interest will be there.

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Speaker 2: But maybe we're wrong, but that deadline has opened today.

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Speaker 3: I just don't think there's anything left there. I don't

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Speaker 3: think the relationship with the front office is good. I

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Speaker 3: don't think the relationship with Zach Taylor is good. I

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Speaker 3: don't think the relationship with his teammates is as good

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Speaker 3: as people make it out to be either.

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Speaker 4: Yep.

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Speaker 3: I just think this is one of those things where

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Speaker 3: the Bengals will just take whatever they can get or

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Speaker 3: just say, all right, we're done with this.

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Speaker 2: Well, of course, it's.

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Speaker 3: Unfortunate, it is, and it's their fault is a huge

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Speaker 3: part of it. But I think that's where we're at.

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Speaker 2: We'll take a break, we'll come back, we'll finish up

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Speaker 2: with some phone calls, and then we'll get to Mowagar

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Speaker 2: for quick hits. Come it up next. Since he three

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Speaker 2: sixty ESPN fifteen thirty Centcinnati Sports Station, this is ja.

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Speaker 1: Let's get back in the action, Tony Pike. Since three

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Speaker 1: sixty is back now on ESPN fifty teen thirty.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back since E three to sixty ESPN fifteen thirty

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Speaker 2: Cincinnati Sports Station, Molager in just a few moments, how

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Speaker 2: about this Austin News generating today This from the PGA Tour.

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Speaker 2: Tiger Woods was at the podium today was asked if

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Speaker 2: he's ruled out the Masters for this season. Tiger, with

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Speaker 2: a grin, said nope. Could we get Tiger back at

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Speaker 2: the Masters?

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Speaker 3: I hope. So that's one of the things. The twenty

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Speaker 3: nineteen Masters is one of those things that makes me

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Speaker 3: believe that anything is possible. The Chicago Cubs won the

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Speaker 3: World Series in twenty sixteen, Tiger Woods came from nothing

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Speaker 3: to win in twenty nineteen, and the Masters. Why can't

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Speaker 3: the Bengals win the Super Bowl? Why can't the Reds

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Speaker 3: go on a run? Here's what it sounded like earlier today.

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Speaker 2: Final thing with.

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Speaker 4: You in regards to your recovery is the Master's off

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Speaker 4: the table for you.

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Speaker 3: Noo And then a grin, a sheepish grin of one

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Speaker 3: Mark Eldrick Tiger Woods. Afterwards, fire me up, man, you

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Speaker 3: know who you just sounded like, sounded a little bit

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Speaker 3: like if Man. Yeah, I mean you spend so much

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Speaker 3: time around.

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Speaker 2: Him, you tell you sound a little like if Man.

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Speaker 3: There are sometimes you just have to believe, you know,

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Speaker 3: sometimes you need to be reminded like, oh, yeah, this

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Speaker 3: thing happened, so maybe this could happen.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Now I was gonna go back to our phone lines,

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Speaker 2: and both of the calls that were on Hole just dropped.

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Speaker 3: Thanks for the memories. So I was ready to were

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Speaker 3: we going to get our draft? Analysis?

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Speaker 2: Was ready to talk to Greg and Sharonville was holding

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Speaker 2: Now just move on from that. But man, what a

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Speaker 2: difference it would make if Tiger Woods were back for

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Speaker 2: the Masters.

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Speaker 3: Man, it really would, I mean things, things would look

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Speaker 3: a lot different. It would just it would give a

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Speaker 3: little juice to our man, you know. You know he'd

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Speaker 3: be the most excited. Jeff from Virginia. Oh, no doubt

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Speaker 3: about it.

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Speaker 2: Jeff would because they'd have that Tiger Tracker channel on

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Speaker 2: and he'd watch every one of his shots.

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Speaker 3: Part of my part of the reason why I want

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Speaker 3: Tiger to come back is because I know it will

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Speaker 3: get under Jeff's skin, and I think that would be funny.

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Speaker 3: Some other great reds to wear number thirty seven? What

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Speaker 3: do you know about Dutch Melee? Oh, the Dutchman? What

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Speaker 3: about Milt Schofter, Milt, Bob Perky, Wayne Granger? Ooh about well,

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Speaker 3: you know about your friend Stan Belinda Oh do you

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Speaker 3: remember Stan?

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Speaker 2: I don't.

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Speaker 3: How about Scott Winchester, Oh the rifle, Brian Shackelford, don't remember. Okay,

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Speaker 3: he was in them chains though, Josh Reinicky the Rhino.

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Speaker 3: All right, very good? Thirty seven days until opening, thirty

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Speaker 3: seven days. This is when it comes to a screeching hole.

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Speaker 2: This is the time. This is the week or you

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Speaker 2: welcome as many four day weeks as possible.

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Speaker 3: Once once the spring training game's hit, it feels like

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Speaker 3: it takes forever to get through those.

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Speaker 2: Yep, it does. But here we are, but still so

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Speaker 2: much to be thankful for. To look forward to a

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Speaker 2: loaded Tuesday slated college hoops tonight, which will include Miami, NKU, Xavier, Louisville,

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Speaker 2: and Kentucky all in action tonight. We'll talk about the

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Speaker 2: Show that happens next right here on ESPN fifteen thirty,

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Speaker 3: From the Brown Heating Temp Star Weather Center. Here's your forecast.

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Speaker 3: This report is sponsored by Mattress Firm.

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Speaker 7: Even with the cloudy couple days coming up. Our warm

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Speaker 7: up will continue this afternoon, making our way to fifty

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Speaker 7: nine degrees. Overnight, we barely cool off, only dropping to

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Speaker 7: fifty two for Wednesday morning, but also overnight at at times.

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Speaker 7: Wednesday morning, there will be some spotty light rain across

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Speaker 7: And then tomorrow a bit breezy, but a heiyear sixty seven.

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Speaker 3: Score major deals.

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Speaker 1: Now it's time for quick hits on Tony Tike since

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Speaker 1: he three.

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Speaker 2: Was looking for Mo mos here ready to go on

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Speaker 2: a Tuesday afternoon ESBN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Nation, Let's

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Speaker 2: just start with diving right in, Mo. What do you

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Speaker 2: got coming up on the on the show today today?

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Speaker 5: You know, one of the things we've loved doing on

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Speaker 5: this show for years is we love to find people

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Speaker 5: who have become Internet villains. Right yeah, So we got

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Speaker 5: this guy, Derek Carty from ESPN who this week Carty

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Speaker 5: was an Internet villain. Yep, and Reds fans were just

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Speaker 5: wailing away at this poor dude. Now there's two things

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Speaker 5: about this. Number One, there is a world where some

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Speaker 5: of what he says is correct right, specifically as it

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Speaker 5: relates to Andrew Rabbitt, which I will try to explain.

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Speaker 5: Number two, Derek is going to join us at four

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Speaker 5: oh five because I want to know what is the

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Speaker 5: meanest thing a Reds fan has said to him?

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Speaker 3: And how do you misread your own data?

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Speaker 2: Had to be enough that he walked back on a

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Speaker 2: couple of the like, wait, I'm getting enough here. Let

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Speaker 5: He rewrote the blurb for ESPN. He toned it down

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Speaker 5: a little bit. He's got the Reds winning fewer than

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Speaker 5: eighty two and a half games, which that in itself

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Speaker 5: is not that far fetched. But his original premise was

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Speaker 5: close to bottom five rotation in baseball. Now, look, there's

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Speaker 5: a world where Andrew Abbott is what he was in

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Speaker 5: the second half and not the first half, Like that's plausible.

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Speaker 5: And maybe there's a world where, you know what, Nick

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Speaker 5: Lidolo just doesn't take that step forward that you need.

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Speaker 5: And there's a world where injuries plague this rotation because

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Speaker 5: it's a big part of their collective track record. There

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Speaker 5: ain't a planet where this is a close to bottom

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Speaker 5: five rotation. Then he backtracked and said, well, actually I

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Speaker 5: got him in the top five. How do you go

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Speaker 5: from close to bottom five to actually they're in the

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Speaker 5: top five.

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Speaker 2: Not great.

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Speaker 5: So Derek, in the middle of just being pummeled by

650
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Speaker 5: Reds fans, I I tweeted him and then I had

651
00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:03,920
Speaker 5: to do my least favorite thing ever. I just slide

652
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:08,760
Speaker 5: into somebody's DMS and I like communicating for you, a

653
00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:11,360
Speaker 5: DM is not my thing, man, I just I don't

654
00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:12,000
Speaker 5: like doing that.

655
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Speaker 3: I get it.

656
00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:19,080
Speaker 5: It's weird. There's something creepy didn't land me here. It

657
00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:21,520
Speaker 5: got Derek Cardy on the show, and I'm just like, hey, man,

658
00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:24,719
Speaker 5: I know you're you're taking a beating. I'm not going

659
00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:26,600
Speaker 5: to add to the beating, but I'd love to have

660
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Speaker 5: you on. And he was cool as hell. So Derek

661
00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:30,960
Speaker 5: is going to join us at four oh five, Paul

662
00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:34,000
Speaker 5: Dayner Junior, you know we're closing in the franchise. Tag

663
00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:36,720
Speaker 5: window opens at four o'clock. I don't know how many

664
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Speaker 5: more days I have left to talk about Trey Hendrickson.

665
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:42,040
Speaker 5: So I'm gonna make the most of every moment. I

666
00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:44,800
Speaker 5: feel like somebody who's got like a terminal illness where

667
00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:47,400
Speaker 5: you've been told there's only so much time left. Make

668
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Speaker 5: the most of every day. I'm gonna make the most

669
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Speaker 5: of every segment. I have to talk about Trey Hendrickson,

670
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Speaker 5: So Paul's gonna do that, talk about his mock draft too.

671
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Speaker 2: Zero point five and mock draft zero point five.

672
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Speaker 3: She's the only one to do that. Feel like he

673
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Speaker 3: is a zero point.

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Speaker 5: Five yes, because he's doing it the right way, acknowledging

675
00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:07,680
Speaker 5: that a mock draft before the free agency is stupid.

676
00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:11,000
Speaker 5: But he still has a an audience and he has

677
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Speaker 5: numbers to hit an editor who I'm sure wants him

678
00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:15,520
Speaker 5: to do mock drafts, and so mock drafts do great,

679
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Speaker 5: which is why I'm gonna do a bunch this year. Really,

680
00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:19,879
Speaker 5: I'm gonna be a big mock draft guy again. I yeah,

681
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:24,240
Speaker 5: I just I've decided it could be this weekend.

682
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Speaker 3: Well, have you considered maybe blending being a mock draft

683
00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:30,719
Speaker 3: guy and a LinkedIn guy and maybe what that could

684
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:35,120
Speaker 3: mock draft? I did Part three of Jason and the Matches.

685
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:35,880
Speaker 3: Oh I missed it.

686
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I did part three. I thought it was going

687
00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:40,120
Speaker 5: to be a three part story. It's actually I have

688
00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:40,960
Speaker 5: to do a fourth part.

689
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Speaker 2: Wow.

690
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Speaker 5: So Jason in the Matches Part three is up on

691
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Speaker 5: my LinkedIn page. Big LinkedIn Guy, Big, big LinkedIn Guy.

692
00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:50,640
Speaker 5: Also our guy, attorney Stewart W. Penrose from the Manila

693
00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:53,879
Speaker 5: Law Group, We're gonna talk about drum tang, Oh trum tang,

694
00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:57,600
Speaker 5: who's a moron? Because bearcats. Look, everybody's taken up with

695
00:34:57,640 --> 00:34:59,600
Speaker 5: this guy. And I talked about this yesterday. Once you

696
00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:03,720
Speaker 5: know you're getting fired, you have one responsibility protect the bag.

697
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:07,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, to use the parland today because his attorney said, quote,

698
00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:10,240
Speaker 2: if KSE State President ad really think the schools embarrassed

699
00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:13,920
Speaker 2: by recent events, that's nothing compared to the embarrassment case.

700
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:17,280
Speaker 5: States stance is flimsy. But the moment, like look around,

701
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:21,040
Speaker 5: nobody's at the games. You're getting crushed, students wearing bags

702
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:23,080
Speaker 5: over their heads. Like at that point, it's like, you

703
00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:25,360
Speaker 5: know what, I have one responsibility when I get fired,

704
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:28,680
Speaker 5: to ensure I protect my eighteen point sixty seven million dollars.

705
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Speaker 3: I'm not saying anything.

706
00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:33,279
Speaker 5: I'm not saying, hey, Cincinnati played great, God our kids

707
00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:36,560
Speaker 5: played hard well. Practice tomorrow, like I am not saying.

708
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:38,200
Speaker 5: I'm not doing interviews if I don't have to do it.

709
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:40,560
Speaker 5: I'm not yelling at referees. I'm gonna sit there during

710
00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:43,359
Speaker 5: the games, watch my team lose, collect my check.

711
00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:46,480
Speaker 3: Yep, so I kind of blame Jerome. Okay, will you

712
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:49,719
Speaker 3: be asking Steward at all about the Tony Clark situation?

713
00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:52,840
Speaker 5: Yes, I am gonna ask about the Tony Clark situation

714
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:55,279
Speaker 5: and what this might mean for the lockout that we're

715
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:57,600
Speaker 5: gonna have that's going to cancel the entire baseball season

716
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Speaker 5: for twenty twenty seven and maybe beyond.

717
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:04,480
Speaker 2: The college basketball weekend that was wins from Miami over

718
00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:08,240
Speaker 2: ou Nku gotta win, Xavier gets to win against Marquette,

719
00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:12,640
Speaker 2: holds on in the second half, Louisville wins, Kentucky a loss,

720
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:17,400
Speaker 2: and you see a win three in a row for

721
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:22,799
Speaker 2: the Bearcats and now multiple days to prepare to head

722
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:23,440
Speaker 2: into the fog.

723
00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:28,560
Speaker 5: So here's the thing, right, So if they win these.

724
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:30,640
Speaker 2: Next two games, not just no, they win the next one.

725
00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:32,239
Speaker 3: Okay, but let's.

726
00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:37,000
Speaker 5: I think we pay attention to bubble watch, right, Oh gosh, Yes,

727
00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:39,840
Speaker 5: they're currently listed as a long shot. If you go

728
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:42,840
Speaker 5: to bracketology, you don't see him as next four out. No,

729
00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:45,439
Speaker 5: you don't see him as next four out. I guess

730
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:48,080
Speaker 5: it's last four out, next four out. I was having

731
00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:52,120
Speaker 5: this conversation with Dan Horde and I said to him,

732
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:55,280
Speaker 5: if they win these next two, they will be among

733
00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:58,600
Speaker 5: the next four out. Now that sounds great. Do you

734
00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:00,680
Speaker 5: know how hard it is to go for next four

735
00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:03,160
Speaker 5: out to in? Like people see them and it's like

736
00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:04,840
Speaker 5: we're not that far away. It's like, yeah, you're like

737
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:05,560
Speaker 5: eight teams away.

738
00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:05,759
Speaker 2: Man.

739
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:09,239
Speaker 5: Yeah, So I don't want a conversation. It would be

740
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:11,640
Speaker 5: I don't want to burst the bubble too much. But

741
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:14,520
Speaker 5: you can't from where they are to where we want

742
00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:18,160
Speaker 5: them to be. You can't go from not even on

743
00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:23,200
Speaker 5: the page to in baby steps starting on Saturday at Lawrence.

744
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:26,920
Speaker 2: Love it the fog. It feels like based on what

745
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:29,280
Speaker 2: the number is a little bit of a trap opportunity

746
00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:33,320
Speaker 2: here tonight for Miami, who has answered every call literally

747
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:37,759
Speaker 2: this year. Three and a half against a fifteen and

748
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:39,920
Speaker 2: eleven U MASS team. They played them really well at

749
00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:40,440
Speaker 2: Mallet Hall.

750
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:43,239
Speaker 5: Yeah, you messed out fifty one percent in the first game,

751
00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:45,880
Speaker 5: had them on the ropes, scored eighty four points. The

752
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:48,040
Speaker 5: minutment of lost too straight. One of those games is

753
00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:51,759
Speaker 5: a three overtime game against Coastal Carolina. But if you

754
00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:54,440
Speaker 5: go to Ken Palm and they do, you know, basically

755
00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:57,880
Speaker 5: predictions for every game every team on their respective schedules.

756
00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:00,560
Speaker 5: This is the one they like Miami to win, but

757
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:03,279
Speaker 5: this is the one they like the least. By the way,

758
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:06,640
Speaker 5: like you talk about the pressure on the RedHawks. They're

759
00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:09,480
Speaker 5: undefeated obviously, which means they haven't lost a game in

760
00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:10,080
Speaker 5: league play.

761
00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:11,800
Speaker 3: Akrons lost once, I know.

762
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Speaker 5: And so like if you lose, they won the head

763
00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:16,880
Speaker 5: to head game, they're all gonna play the one, so

764
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:19,320
Speaker 5: they would win the tiebreaker. But but if you lose,

765
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:22,680
Speaker 5: suddenly there's like game on in the MAC.

766
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:26,160
Speaker 2: So we'll see, and they still do. After this, they

767
00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:28,600
Speaker 2: got to go to Eastern Michigan. Yeah, if you follow

768
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:30,279
Speaker 2: the bearcatch, you know that's not an easy you know

769
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:33,520
Speaker 2: how hard that team is to play finish the season.

770
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:36,480
Speaker 2: And that's my thought, like, oh, stay slip up. You

771
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:38,239
Speaker 2: don't want to have to go to Ohio and win

772
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:40,520
Speaker 2: to win the MAC. No, but that would be on

773
00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:41,919
Speaker 2: the table if you don't take care of you master.

774
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:43,640
Speaker 5: You know, I've heard a lot of people take shots

775
00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:47,239
Speaker 5: at Miami, you know new Miami fans. Well suddenly there

776
00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:50,080
Speaker 5: are all these like new ou fans like oh yeah, yeah, yeah,

777
00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:51,560
Speaker 5: well yeah, wait, wait, do you see what we do

778
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:52,120
Speaker 5: on Friday?

779
00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:53,800
Speaker 3: Well, we're worry on Friday your team got.

780
00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:54,600
Speaker 2: Rolled the bobbies.

781
00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:55,399
Speaker 3: Yeah.

782
00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:57,640
Speaker 2: Is is Crowsley into Pokemon cards at all?

783
00:38:57,840 --> 00:38:59,120
Speaker 3: Absolutely not? Thank god?

784
00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:01,960
Speaker 2: Now seeing Logan all sell one for sixteen million dollars,

785
00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:03,799
Speaker 2: do you introduce her to the hobby at all?

786
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 5: Absolutely? Yes, No, she's not at all into to Pokemon.

787
00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:12,720
Speaker 2: Monday night last Big Twelve awesome felt like a Final

788
00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:16,479
Speaker 2: four game? Did Iowa State Houston? I wondered at times

789
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:18,560
Speaker 2: and not how the Houston game here was so close,

790
00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:21,279
Speaker 2: and how we actually beat Iowa State at home. But

791
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:25,440
Speaker 2: watching those two teams play, I think, to me, one,

792
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:28,239
Speaker 2: it could be a Final four matchup. Two, it's like

793
00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:30,160
Speaker 2: just another night now in the Big Twelve. Like look

794
00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:31,200
Speaker 2: at Arizona's schedule.

795
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:33,200
Speaker 3: I think it's just another night in college basketball.

796
00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:36,480
Speaker 2: It is. But they said Duke Syracuse last night a

797
00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:38,680
Speaker 2: little bit of a dud. Sure, but look what's coming

798
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:40,960
Speaker 2: up Saturday now, you know, Houston and Arizona.

799
00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:41,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, can't wait.

800
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:44,960
Speaker 2: I mean, it's just it feels like there's a marquee

801
00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:47,880
Speaker 2: Final four caliber game every week going forward in the

802
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:48,319
Speaker 2: Big Twelve.

803
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:51,879
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, watching Arizona and Texas Tech on Saturday. Oh,

804
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:53,799
Speaker 5: I know, the Bearcads beat Iowa State, which is a

805
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:57,440
Speaker 5: great win, but like you watch those games, and one

806
00:39:57,480 --> 00:40:00,600
Speaker 5: of my frustrations with UC basketball right now, we're still

807
00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:03,560
Speaker 5: talking about them sneaking into the tournament. I want to

808
00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:05,879
Speaker 5: win the Big Twelve one day. I want to play

809
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:08,319
Speaker 5: in games like that. I want to play in those

810
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:10,239
Speaker 5: sort of games where it's, dude, they could be a

811
00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:12,680
Speaker 5: one or two seed in the NCAA tournament where they're

812
00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:16,239
Speaker 5: competing for league championships, or there's a single digit number

813
00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:18,680
Speaker 5: next to their name, and I watch those teams play

814
00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:25,399
Speaker 5: against each other, and I go, how much stuff has

815
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:28,800
Speaker 5: to happen, because like, we're gonna do this, whether West

816
00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:30,680
Speaker 5: continues to be the head coach or not. It's got

817
00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:32,360
Speaker 5: to make the tournament. Got to make the tournament. Just

818
00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:34,800
Speaker 5: gotta sneak in, make the tournament. Maybe they can finish

819
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:37,440
Speaker 5: five hundred in the Big Twelve. I don't want to

820
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:41,240
Speaker 5: do that anymore. Like soon, I'd like to talk about,

821
00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:43,879
Speaker 5: like how can they play in games like that last night?

822
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:45,640
Speaker 5: How can they play in games like the ones coming

823
00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:48,359
Speaker 5: up on Saturday? And it just feels like they're so far.

824
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:51,200
Speaker 5: I want to Kingston Flemings, That's what I want. How

825
00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:53,480
Speaker 5: much do I have to pay to get a Kingston Flemings?

826
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Speaker 2: But you know, based on what's happening, BYU loses their

827
00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:59,279
Speaker 2: second leading scorer and Richie Saunders, if they could just

828
00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:03,400
Speaker 2: win at Texas Tech and at Kansas, than that BYU

829
00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:05,600
Speaker 2: game at home feels a little more attainable.

830
00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:09,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, there are gonna be dogs at TCU, though.

831
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:10,200
Speaker 2: You've already done this in your head.

832
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:10,560
Speaker 3: I have.

833
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:12,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, TCU is the game where everything falls.

834
00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:15,000
Speaker 5: Apart, right, Yes, that's how that's how That's how life

835
00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:17,760
Speaker 5: works at tc That's how life works. Right, You're feeling

836
00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:19,279
Speaker 5: good about it? And they lay an egg against the

837
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:22,640
Speaker 5: horn frogs. Yeah. Look, man, I said this on the

838
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:25,560
Speaker 5: show yesterday. A week and a half ago. Wes Miller

839
00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:27,279
Speaker 5: was nearly brought to tears on the post game, and

840
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:29,880
Speaker 5: everybody thought things were going to totally fall apart and collapse,

841
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:31,040
Speaker 5: and that hasn't happened.

842
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:33,080
Speaker 3: That is not insignificance.

843
00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:36,279
Speaker 2: Agreed. Neither is the Mulager Show, which comes up next.

844
00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:37,520
Speaker 2: We're done, have a great rescue of two.

845
00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:38,239
Speaker 3: Disagree with that.

846
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:41,120
Speaker 2: Mulager on ESPN fifteen thirty. Cincinnati sports station.

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