1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:02,520 Speaker 1: Shelby Harris, Ryan Edwards five six sixth nine, zeros or 2 00:00:02,560 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: KWI Common Spirit Health text line. A lot of fun 3 00:00:04,720 --> 00:00:08,160 Speaker 1: conversational last hour about the value of the combine we 4 00:00:08,200 --> 00:00:10,400 Speaker 1: had Ian Rapp, We're on. We'll get all those interviews 5 00:00:10,480 --> 00:00:13,040 Speaker 1: up at kwacorado dot com. Ra on the completely free 6 00:00:13,080 --> 00:00:18,040 Speaker 1: and totally awesome iHeartRadio app so earlier today. David Montgomery, 7 00:00:18,120 --> 00:00:21,160 Speaker 1: who's a talented running back. It was drafted obviously by Chicago, 8 00:00:21,440 --> 00:00:24,360 Speaker 1: played the last couple of years with the Detroit Lions. 9 00:00:25,000 --> 00:00:27,360 Speaker 1: He was traded to the Houston Texans for a fourth, 10 00:00:27,440 --> 00:00:30,200 Speaker 1: a seventh, and an offensive lineman. 11 00:00:31,240 --> 00:00:33,000 Speaker 2: Drewce scruggs. Thank you. 12 00:00:33,720 --> 00:00:35,000 Speaker 3: I'm going to say it right eventually. 13 00:00:35,440 --> 00:00:40,199 Speaker 1: So now, the report for Jeremy Fowler that came out 14 00:00:40,320 --> 00:00:42,479 Speaker 1: yesterday was that he that the Lions were looking for 15 00:00:42,520 --> 00:00:44,920 Speaker 1: around a fifth rounder. So if you say in terms 16 00:00:44,920 --> 00:00:46,599 Speaker 1: of that they were looking for a fifth, he ended 17 00:00:46,680 --> 00:00:49,280 Speaker 1: up going for a fourth, seventh and a backup offensive lineman. 18 00:00:50,920 --> 00:00:52,400 Speaker 2: Our guy Ben Albright, who's. 19 00:00:52,200 --> 00:00:53,960 Speaker 1: Going to be on at six o'clock, says that the 20 00:00:53,960 --> 00:00:55,000 Speaker 1: Broncos were in the mix. 21 00:00:55,040 --> 00:00:57,720 Speaker 3: In fact, the Texans had to leap in. 22 00:00:57,640 --> 00:01:01,600 Speaker 1: Front of the Broncos offer to the Detroit Lions to 23 00:01:01,720 --> 00:01:04,000 Speaker 1: get David Montgomery. What do you read into that, Dave? 24 00:01:05,880 --> 00:01:08,440 Speaker 1: You mean whether or not they were well? No, whether 25 00:01:08,560 --> 00:01:10,320 Speaker 1: or not that do you like to move? 26 00:01:10,520 --> 00:01:10,880 Speaker 2: Do you like? 27 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:12,680 Speaker 3: Do you think? What do you think about David Montgomery 28 00:01:12,680 --> 00:01:13,240 Speaker 3: as a fits? 29 00:01:13,760 --> 00:01:16,760 Speaker 4: I think David Montgomery would have been great here too, 30 00:01:16,920 --> 00:01:19,479 Speaker 4: and I would have I mean, I would have been 31 00:01:21,080 --> 00:01:24,760 Speaker 4: stoked if if it was announced the Broncos had given up. 32 00:01:24,760 --> 00:01:26,160 Speaker 2: But what what and what. 33 00:01:26,160 --> 00:01:28,360 Speaker 3: Would you have countered? Would you have gone over that? 34 00:01:31,720 --> 00:01:32,319 Speaker 2: I don't know. 35 00:01:32,440 --> 00:01:37,000 Speaker 4: I mean, the Broncos they've been they've they've been good 36 00:01:37,080 --> 00:01:41,520 Speaker 4: in recent drafts. They still have positions that they've got 37 00:01:41,560 --> 00:01:45,640 Speaker 4: to fortify. So you don't want to give up, you know, 38 00:01:45,760 --> 00:01:48,760 Speaker 4: It's it's always if you've been good in the drafts, 39 00:01:48,880 --> 00:01:52,240 Speaker 4: you're hesitant to give up draft choices, right. But for 40 00:01:53,160 --> 00:01:57,200 Speaker 4: David Montgomery, I think would be a perfect back. And 41 00:01:57,240 --> 00:01:58,840 Speaker 4: I think it would be really good in Houston too, 42 00:01:58,920 --> 00:02:02,160 Speaker 4: although I think Denver's offensive line is better than Houston's. 43 00:02:02,800 --> 00:02:04,800 Speaker 4: So I don't know if I would have uped the 44 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:08,359 Speaker 4: Annie or but I would have been very I would 45 00:02:08,360 --> 00:02:10,400 Speaker 4: have been very happy if David Montgomery would have been 46 00:02:10,400 --> 00:02:10,840 Speaker 4: a Bronco. 47 00:02:11,320 --> 00:02:13,800 Speaker 3: What do you think about him versus JK. Dobbins, Jelle, 48 00:02:14,520 --> 00:02:15,280 Speaker 3: I like both. 49 00:02:15,560 --> 00:02:20,440 Speaker 5: That's but just what David Montgomery brings just we've seen 50 00:02:20,480 --> 00:02:23,840 Speaker 5: his line of work from just when he was in Detroit, 51 00:02:24,680 --> 00:02:27,400 Speaker 5: how valuable he was there. And I think if you 52 00:02:27,440 --> 00:02:29,920 Speaker 5: bring a guy like David Montgomery in that still leaves 53 00:02:29,919 --> 00:02:34,040 Speaker 5: the door open for a J. Harvey to grow and really, 54 00:02:34,400 --> 00:02:38,200 Speaker 5: you know, come into this role of a Jamier Gibbs 55 00:02:38,200 --> 00:02:40,040 Speaker 5: type role where he can really do everything. And I 56 00:02:40,040 --> 00:02:42,760 Speaker 5: think that would have been a perfect combination something where 57 00:02:42,760 --> 00:02:44,680 Speaker 5: it would have taken carries off of him, but then 58 00:02:44,720 --> 00:02:48,000 Speaker 5: also pretty much would have made it that it's like 59 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:50,560 Speaker 5: a one to two tandem at running back, and in 60 00:02:50,600 --> 00:02:53,120 Speaker 5: today's game, that's what you need. You've got to have 61 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:56,480 Speaker 5: a running back rotation because these guys get beat up. 62 00:02:56,520 --> 00:02:58,920 Speaker 5: You will you have to assume you will not have 63 00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:00,880 Speaker 5: your running back at least one two games this year, 64 00:03:01,120 --> 00:03:03,800 Speaker 5: and so you're going to have to have guys behind 65 00:03:03,840 --> 00:03:06,320 Speaker 5: him that can play. And it's you're looking at the 66 00:03:06,639 --> 00:03:10,800 Speaker 5: Texans trade a fourth this year, a seventh next year, 67 00:03:11,200 --> 00:03:14,960 Speaker 5: and an offensive lineman Juice Scruggs. You know that I 68 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:18,200 Speaker 5: think you do easily jump that and make that trade 69 00:03:18,280 --> 00:03:23,079 Speaker 5: happen for a player of David Montgomery's caliber. Considering both 70 00:03:23,160 --> 00:03:25,760 Speaker 5: Nixon is starting to get to that point where it's 71 00:03:25,800 --> 00:03:28,560 Speaker 5: about to be year three, next year, you start talking 72 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:31,080 Speaker 5: about paying me money, you know, you start talking about 73 00:03:31,080 --> 00:03:34,240 Speaker 5: that extension, and then you got to start cutting people 74 00:03:34,520 --> 00:03:37,640 Speaker 5: to fit that extension in the you know, in the books. 75 00:03:37,960 --> 00:03:41,360 Speaker 5: So the idea is you have two years and and 76 00:03:41,360 --> 00:03:43,080 Speaker 5: and that's the same thing that Houston is trying to say. 77 00:03:43,120 --> 00:03:46,000 Speaker 5: They think, you know that he that David Montgomery has 78 00:03:46,040 --> 00:03:48,119 Speaker 5: two years left on him and then to really give 79 00:03:48,160 --> 00:03:50,120 Speaker 5: him all the carries. So that would have been perfect 80 00:03:50,160 --> 00:03:52,360 Speaker 5: for the Broncos to grab him for two years, get 81 00:03:52,400 --> 00:03:55,560 Speaker 5: that production out of him, and I think it would 82 00:03:55,560 --> 00:03:56,880 Speaker 5: have been a slam dunk. 83 00:03:57,320 --> 00:04:00,760 Speaker 1: Now, again, the cap hit here, so Montgomery would have 84 00:04:00,800 --> 00:04:03,280 Speaker 1: a six million dollar cap hit this year, nine million 85 00:04:03,360 --> 00:04:05,760 Speaker 1: next year. So I don't know if that had anything 86 00:04:05,800 --> 00:04:07,600 Speaker 1: to do with with And of course there's some mileage 87 00:04:07,640 --> 00:04:09,920 Speaker 1: he's you're seven in the league, you're eight in the league, 88 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:12,200 Speaker 1: So maybe there's a little bit of a thought process 89 00:04:12,200 --> 00:04:15,560 Speaker 1: with that. I like to fit because it's that thunder 90 00:04:15,600 --> 00:04:17,520 Speaker 1: and lightning. It's a bigger back mix with R. J. 91 00:04:17,720 --> 00:04:21,560 Speaker 1: Harvey like understanding that the short yardage back seems to 92 00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:23,599 Speaker 1: be what you probably want if you're going to bring 93 00:04:23,640 --> 00:04:25,200 Speaker 1: somebody in a free agency, right Dave. 94 00:04:25,279 --> 00:04:26,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think. 95 00:04:27,680 --> 00:04:31,200 Speaker 4: I think when you look at David Montgomery in Detroit, 96 00:04:33,080 --> 00:04:36,919 Speaker 4: he's been and I haven't heard he hasn't been content, 97 00:04:37,920 --> 00:04:41,000 Speaker 4: but he's kind of the I mean, Jamier Gibbs is 98 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:44,600 Speaker 4: the guy right Montgomery has played. I'm guessing I don't 99 00:04:44,640 --> 00:04:46,520 Speaker 4: have the stats in front of me less than fifty 100 00:04:46,520 --> 00:04:50,760 Speaker 4: percent of the snaps, so he's he's still got and 101 00:04:50,920 --> 00:04:54,480 Speaker 4: to my knowledge, I don't know that he's been banged 102 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:56,800 Speaker 4: up and missed significant time. He got hurt a little 103 00:04:56,839 --> 00:04:59,359 Speaker 4: bit this year, did miss some time, but not not 104 00:04:59,440 --> 00:05:01,000 Speaker 4: any serio kind of injuries. 105 00:05:01,279 --> 00:05:01,520 Speaker 2: I think. 106 00:05:01,720 --> 00:05:04,960 Speaker 4: I think where he's he's not as good. He's not 107 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:09,560 Speaker 4: as good as a pass receiver as JK. Dobbins, and 108 00:05:09,600 --> 00:05:10,920 Speaker 4: I got to be honest about it, I'm not I'm 109 00:05:10,920 --> 00:05:13,640 Speaker 4: not sure about his blitz pick up potential. He's a 110 00:05:13,680 --> 00:05:18,240 Speaker 4: big back, very hard to get in the ground. He 111 00:05:18,320 --> 00:05:23,120 Speaker 4: doesn't I mean, he's he's got a similar style to Dobbins. 112 00:05:23,279 --> 00:05:27,520 Speaker 4: I think, maybe not quite as many jump cuts as Dobbins, 113 00:05:27,560 --> 00:05:29,520 Speaker 4: but but he is, I mean, he. 114 00:05:29,560 --> 00:05:31,400 Speaker 2: Is an excellent back. 115 00:05:31,480 --> 00:05:35,920 Speaker 4: So I again, I would have been absolutely thrilled if 116 00:05:35,920 --> 00:05:38,440 Speaker 4: the Broncos would have announced that Dave Montgomery was going 117 00:05:38,520 --> 00:05:39,160 Speaker 4: to be a Bronco. 118 00:05:39,480 --> 00:05:39,680 Speaker 2: Yeah. 119 00:05:39,720 --> 00:05:41,839 Speaker 1: When we talked to George out at the combine, he 120 00:05:41,839 --> 00:05:43,920 Speaker 1: says they have intention on trying to bring back JK. 121 00:05:44,480 --> 00:05:46,280 Speaker 2: I guess when I look at the running. 122 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:49,480 Speaker 1: Back room, it feels like you could just keep adding 123 00:05:49,560 --> 00:05:52,240 Speaker 1: guys to it. So I don't really like, even if 124 00:05:52,240 --> 00:05:54,400 Speaker 1: you do bring in JK, it'll be I think the 125 00:05:54,440 --> 00:05:56,400 Speaker 1: more interesting thing was if they go JK and RJ 126 00:05:56,560 --> 00:05:59,560 Speaker 1: again and then maybe they draft somebody like how Broncos 127 00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:01,160 Speaker 1: fans are all slimately going to feel about that? 128 00:06:01,880 --> 00:06:04,640 Speaker 2: Not happy? Which is remarkable because they were. 129 00:06:04,640 --> 00:06:06,680 Speaker 4: I don't know why why wouldn't they, I mean, how 130 00:06:06,680 --> 00:06:12,159 Speaker 4: good was Dobbins when he was the first however many games? 131 00:06:12,440 --> 00:06:13,840 Speaker 2: Why didn't they be unhappy about that? 132 00:06:13,880 --> 00:06:16,320 Speaker 5: Because that's the issue though, is because the idea is 133 00:06:16,400 --> 00:06:19,400 Speaker 5: once again that JK probably probably or might not be 134 00:06:19,480 --> 00:06:22,720 Speaker 5: available the whole season, and obviously when r J. Harvey 135 00:06:22,839 --> 00:06:27,239 Speaker 5: was running back number one, the run game kind of sputtered. Yeah, 136 00:06:27,279 --> 00:06:30,000 Speaker 5: so That's why I would say they'd be unhappy. It's 137 00:06:30,040 --> 00:06:32,320 Speaker 5: because it doesn't necessarily fix anything else. 138 00:06:32,400 --> 00:06:32,640 Speaker 2: JK. 139 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:36,320 Speaker 5: Dobbins was great when he was healthy, but that's been 140 00:06:36,360 --> 00:06:37,679 Speaker 5: the story of his whole career. 141 00:06:37,720 --> 00:06:44,400 Speaker 4: How many games did did k No David Montgomery miss 142 00:06:44,839 --> 00:06:48,200 Speaker 4: this year? My memory says he got nicked up and 143 00:06:48,279 --> 00:06:49,680 Speaker 4: missed some games. 144 00:06:50,960 --> 00:06:55,240 Speaker 1: He played a total It actually played seventeen games this. 145 00:06:55,240 --> 00:06:57,480 Speaker 2: Year, so he did not get nicked the last two. 146 00:06:57,400 --> 00:06:58,880 Speaker 3: Years, though he did he missed games. 147 00:06:58,920 --> 00:07:01,760 Speaker 2: He will played four and it was the lowest amount 148 00:07:01,760 --> 00:07:02,320 Speaker 2: of carries. 149 00:07:02,520 --> 00:07:05,360 Speaker 5: But that's the thing, the lowest amount of yards of 150 00:07:05,480 --> 00:07:06,719 Speaker 5: his career. 151 00:07:06,839 --> 00:07:08,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, so he only had one hundred and fifty eight 152 00:07:08,400 --> 00:07:10,920 Speaker 1: carries this year, which, as he pointed outs, the lowest amount. 153 00:07:10,960 --> 00:07:12,960 Speaker 1: So it was the Jamira Gibbs Show. Even if David 154 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:15,400 Speaker 1: Montgomery was available, Yeah, so he might have been nicked up, 155 00:07:15,480 --> 00:07:17,280 Speaker 1: they just kept him in. 156 00:07:17,880 --> 00:07:21,480 Speaker 4: I mean, I'm still not convinced the Broncos won't make 157 00:07:21,520 --> 00:07:24,440 Speaker 4: a play for a running back in free agency. 158 00:07:24,600 --> 00:07:25,080 Speaker 5: Yeah. 159 00:07:25,200 --> 00:07:29,160 Speaker 4: Now it's going to cost him, right, but I mean 160 00:07:29,200 --> 00:07:33,320 Speaker 4: there's some pretty good running backs out there in free agency. Again, 161 00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:35,960 Speaker 4: I think it gets down to, ultimately gets down to 162 00:07:36,680 --> 00:07:40,200 Speaker 4: what kind of running back does Sean Payton value and 163 00:07:40,640 --> 00:07:45,840 Speaker 4: George Peyton and how much inmphasis do they want to 164 00:07:45,840 --> 00:07:47,920 Speaker 4: put in that position? Are they willing to go out 165 00:07:48,480 --> 00:07:51,280 Speaker 4: and pay what it costs to get one of those 166 00:07:51,320 --> 00:07:56,720 Speaker 4: free agent backs? Historically that has not worked out well 167 00:07:56,880 --> 00:08:00,640 Speaker 4: for a lot of NFL teams. So, I mean, you 168 00:08:00,640 --> 00:08:03,840 Speaker 4: can understand if they would say, no, we're not willing 169 00:08:03,880 --> 00:08:06,680 Speaker 4: to do that, But there are some good backs on 170 00:08:06,720 --> 00:08:07,600 Speaker 4: the marketing. 171 00:08:07,200 --> 00:08:11,320 Speaker 5: Well backs, you know, I just assume that you can. 172 00:08:11,480 --> 00:08:15,920 Speaker 5: You will see the Broncos make a splash somewhere because 173 00:08:15,960 --> 00:08:20,000 Speaker 5: they know this window is two years until you have 174 00:08:20,080 --> 00:08:22,600 Speaker 5: to start cutting through. And I'm trying to reemphasize this 175 00:08:22,720 --> 00:08:27,560 Speaker 5: because they are in a great place right now. Bow 176 00:08:27,640 --> 00:08:31,680 Speaker 5: knicks from a rookie deal. That's what makes you and 177 00:08:31,760 --> 00:08:33,600 Speaker 5: that's what allows you to be able to go pay 178 00:08:34,360 --> 00:08:37,480 Speaker 5: everybody else like their whole old line is paid. Their 179 00:08:37,520 --> 00:08:39,800 Speaker 5: whole old line is on second deals. You know, you 180 00:08:39,880 --> 00:08:41,360 Speaker 5: have a bunch of guys in the D line that 181 00:08:41,440 --> 00:08:44,880 Speaker 5: are on second deals, second and third deals, right you 182 00:08:44,920 --> 00:08:47,640 Speaker 5: know what I mean? So right now is your window. 183 00:08:48,920 --> 00:08:51,920 Speaker 5: You only have a couple holes. You have to attack 184 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:55,720 Speaker 5: them as hard as you can and go go fill 185 00:08:55,720 --> 00:08:59,880 Speaker 5: those holes because you don't want to be stuck saying damn, 186 00:09:01,280 --> 00:09:02,640 Speaker 5: like I wish I would have win and got one 187 00:09:02,679 --> 00:09:04,920 Speaker 5: of those backs. Look at Breest Hall had fifteen hundred 188 00:09:04,960 --> 00:09:06,480 Speaker 5: yards this year, you know what I mean. 189 00:09:06,600 --> 00:09:09,360 Speaker 4: That's the That's one of the guys I'm talking about too, 190 00:09:10,040 --> 00:09:11,960 Speaker 4: because the Jets, I don't think as of today, they 191 00:09:11,960 --> 00:09:12,839 Speaker 4: haven't tagged him yet. 192 00:09:13,160 --> 00:09:15,800 Speaker 5: They claim though that they no one way or another 193 00:09:15,840 --> 00:09:17,960 Speaker 5: they're going to put some type of tag on him. 194 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:20,080 Speaker 2: But you can you can still move him. 195 00:09:20,120 --> 00:09:23,840 Speaker 5: Yeah, And I think that's a move that you should 196 00:09:23,880 --> 00:09:27,280 Speaker 5: do because if the Broncos had a run game, a 197 00:09:27,400 --> 00:09:30,800 Speaker 5: legit run game last year, even when bow Knicks gets hurt, 198 00:09:31,080 --> 00:09:33,880 Speaker 5: you have something to fall back on so that it's 199 00:09:33,920 --> 00:09:35,040 Speaker 5: not all on Jared Simmams. 200 00:09:35,040 --> 00:09:37,240 Speaker 3: Well, the Tenant a legit run game when j was in. 201 00:09:37,200 --> 00:09:41,760 Speaker 5: Yeah, I said, yeah, but once again, but your best 202 00:09:41,760 --> 00:09:46,839 Speaker 5: ability in the NFL is availability. That is your best ability. 203 00:09:46,880 --> 00:09:50,880 Speaker 5: And nobody likes to see injuries, but they happen, and 204 00:09:50,920 --> 00:09:53,560 Speaker 5: you need to prepare for him because there isn't such 205 00:09:53,559 --> 00:09:55,040 Speaker 5: thing as being injury prone. 206 00:09:55,679 --> 00:09:56,800 Speaker 2: That is the real thing. 207 00:09:57,400 --> 00:10:00,560 Speaker 5: And so I let's I'm not saying that about but 208 00:10:00,679 --> 00:10:03,440 Speaker 5: literally the last couple of years he's ended up on 209 00:10:03,559 --> 00:10:06,280 Speaker 5: ir so you have to prepare and like the goal 210 00:10:06,400 --> 00:10:09,400 Speaker 5: is obviously that he does not. You know, he goes. 211 00:10:09,440 --> 00:10:13,080 Speaker 5: He played seventeen, he's healthy, but with his past, you 212 00:10:13,120 --> 00:10:14,480 Speaker 5: have to prepare like he won't. 213 00:10:14,559 --> 00:10:17,160 Speaker 1: What about Aaron Jones, what do we think about it? 214 00:10:17,160 --> 00:10:19,160 Speaker 1: Because he sounds like he's gonna get released as a cap. 215 00:10:19,720 --> 00:10:22,160 Speaker 4: Yes, great, right off the back for if he's still 216 00:10:22,840 --> 00:10:25,800 Speaker 4: he's played a minute seven maybe seven or eight years, 217 00:10:26,040 --> 00:10:28,840 Speaker 4: if he still got I think what made Aaron Jones 218 00:10:31,040 --> 00:10:37,560 Speaker 4: special in this league was his ability to accelerate right 219 00:10:37,720 --> 00:10:41,880 Speaker 4: good all around back could catch the ball, but was. 220 00:10:41,840 --> 00:10:43,800 Speaker 2: It better than you think? 221 00:10:43,880 --> 00:10:47,920 Speaker 4: He might be looking at him runner in between the tackles, 222 00:10:48,920 --> 00:10:51,080 Speaker 4: but I don't know, you know, I don't know how 223 00:10:51,160 --> 00:10:53,559 Speaker 4: much tred he's got left on the tire. 224 00:10:53,640 --> 00:10:56,120 Speaker 1: So yeah, he's played nine years in the league. He 225 00:10:56,240 --> 00:10:58,720 Speaker 1: only played twelve games last year, but Minnesota was kind 226 00:10:58,720 --> 00:11:01,800 Speaker 1: of a mess. But the year before, his first year 227 00:11:01,840 --> 00:11:04,280 Speaker 1: in Minnesota, two hundred fifty five carries for over eleven 228 00:11:04,360 --> 00:11:07,160 Speaker 1: hundred rushing yards and he also caught fifty one passes. 229 00:11:07,280 --> 00:11:09,760 Speaker 4: He's a dynamic player and that's what fouled a real 230 00:11:09,800 --> 00:11:11,240 Speaker 4: good old line over there too. 231 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:13,400 Speaker 5: Minnesota's been struggling with our od line for a couple 232 00:11:13,440 --> 00:11:15,400 Speaker 5: of years. So for him to put up eleven hundred 233 00:11:16,080 --> 00:11:20,280 Speaker 5: with not necessarily a great o' line that and this 234 00:11:20,360 --> 00:11:23,080 Speaker 5: is his thinking. The idea would be imagined what he 235 00:11:23,120 --> 00:11:25,720 Speaker 5: can do with the broncos o line. But that was 236 00:11:25,720 --> 00:11:27,920 Speaker 5: two years ago, and we all know two years means 237 00:11:27,920 --> 00:11:28,920 Speaker 5: a lot for a running back. 238 00:11:29,080 --> 00:11:31,040 Speaker 1: I guess the way I'm looking at this, I'm in 239 00:11:31,080 --> 00:11:35,040 Speaker 1: the tier of what I viewed David Montgomery as maybe 240 00:11:35,080 --> 00:11:38,160 Speaker 1: David Montgomery's better than Aaron Jones, like in people's minds, 241 00:11:38,800 --> 00:11:41,440 Speaker 1: but in that category except if you're not going to 242 00:11:41,440 --> 00:11:45,480 Speaker 1: swing for Kenneth Walker or Bracehall or Travis etn right. 243 00:11:45,520 --> 00:11:46,640 Speaker 3: And I'm not saying the broncos art. 244 00:11:46,640 --> 00:11:48,680 Speaker 1: I'm just saying, like, if we're looking in the category 245 00:11:48,679 --> 00:11:50,680 Speaker 1: of what they just tried to do, which was add 246 00:11:50,760 --> 00:11:54,679 Speaker 1: David Montgomery to compliment r J. Harvey, Aaron Jones makes 247 00:11:54,720 --> 00:11:56,719 Speaker 1: some sense to me, Like if it's a complimentary back 248 00:11:56,760 --> 00:11:58,240 Speaker 1: you're looking for to go with RJ. 249 00:11:58,280 --> 00:12:02,959 Speaker 4: Hardst to get Aaron Jones probably about six on a 250 00:12:03,000 --> 00:12:05,880 Speaker 4: one year like one year five or say like what 251 00:12:06,240 --> 00:12:10,600 Speaker 4: cost to resigned JK Dobbins Three Yeah, probably three to four. 252 00:12:11,480 --> 00:12:15,520 Speaker 2: Well, I don't see a lot. I mean again, Shelby's right. 253 00:12:15,800 --> 00:12:18,600 Speaker 4: I mean, part of part of being a player in 254 00:12:18,600 --> 00:12:21,400 Speaker 4: the league and hanging in there is you've got to 255 00:12:21,440 --> 00:12:24,080 Speaker 4: be able to play. And JK no fault of his own. 256 00:12:24,200 --> 00:12:27,680 Speaker 4: JK has had some some tough injury like right, but 257 00:12:29,280 --> 00:12:32,920 Speaker 4: I mean if you could say JK. Dobbins is going 258 00:12:32,920 --> 00:12:35,160 Speaker 4: to make it through the year and for the most 259 00:12:35,200 --> 00:12:38,200 Speaker 4: part he's going to be healthy, then I would take 260 00:12:38,360 --> 00:12:42,640 Speaker 4: I would take Kim at whatever three million or whatever over. 261 00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:46,800 Speaker 2: Aaron Jones. Jones at six million for sure. Yeah, is 262 00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:47,760 Speaker 2: no guarantee that. 263 00:12:48,440 --> 00:12:51,000 Speaker 4: And it's it's you know, it's a game teams play, 264 00:12:51,000 --> 00:12:53,400 Speaker 4: but it's also a game the players play, right, You're 265 00:12:53,440 --> 00:12:54,600 Speaker 4: you're your gauge in the market. 266 00:12:54,640 --> 00:12:56,480 Speaker 2: Aaron Jones representative, JK. 267 00:12:56,600 --> 00:12:59,920 Speaker 4: Dobbins agent, He's got to figure out like, okay, yeah, 268 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:02,320 Speaker 4: we think the Broncos are going to make, you know, 269 00:13:02,360 --> 00:13:04,640 Speaker 4: make an offer for a one year deal. 270 00:13:05,679 --> 00:13:07,679 Speaker 2: Is there anybody else out there? JK. 271 00:13:07,800 --> 00:13:11,720 Speaker 4: Dobbins doesn't have a lot of leverage because of his 272 00:13:11,880 --> 00:13:16,200 Speaker 4: injury passed. If he were a healthy back, JK. Dobbins 273 00:13:16,320 --> 00:13:18,600 Speaker 4: would have uber leverage. 274 00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:19,520 Speaker 3: Is that dude. 275 00:13:19,679 --> 00:13:22,480 Speaker 4: He's a difference maker. But he just hadn't been able 276 00:13:22,520 --> 00:13:25,200 Speaker 4: to stay healthy. I just remember him in Baltimore right 277 00:13:25,360 --> 00:13:25,800 Speaker 4: like it was. 278 00:13:26,920 --> 00:13:29,480 Speaker 5: It was literally I remember his first year in Baltimore 279 00:13:29,600 --> 00:13:31,320 Speaker 5: and then he got hurt, and then I remember he 280 00:13:31,400 --> 00:13:34,600 Speaker 5: came back and was killing it, and then he got hurt, 281 00:13:34,840 --> 00:13:36,319 Speaker 5: and then you can't kind of, you know, kind of 282 00:13:36,320 --> 00:13:38,520 Speaker 5: stopped chering about him because then he we heard himself again, 283 00:13:39,160 --> 00:13:41,199 Speaker 5: and then he came to Denver and was having. 284 00:13:41,040 --> 00:13:42,400 Speaker 2: A hell of a year. Yeah, it was like a 285 00:13:42,440 --> 00:13:44,440 Speaker 2: fluke tackle hip rock and that. 286 00:13:44,559 --> 00:13:47,200 Speaker 5: And that's the crappy part about it though. It's just 287 00:13:47,320 --> 00:13:50,840 Speaker 5: like Dave said, to no faults of his own, he 288 00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:53,640 Speaker 5: just can't stay healthy. And so we all know how 289 00:13:53,679 --> 00:13:56,120 Speaker 5: this works though. When you can't stay healthy, team start 290 00:13:56,120 --> 00:13:58,400 Speaker 5: to try to look other ways to replace you. 291 00:13:58,440 --> 00:14:00,480 Speaker 1: In a similar tier, just throwing a couple of names, 292 00:14:00,559 --> 00:14:03,760 Speaker 1: Najee Harris is coming up on a cl Austin Eckler, 293 00:14:04,440 --> 00:14:08,880 Speaker 1: He's coming on he's off Achilles. He's playing nine years yep. 294 00:14:09,760 --> 00:14:12,800 Speaker 1: Rico Daddle might be on the higher end of this conversation. 295 00:14:13,400 --> 00:14:15,760 Speaker 1: He's played the league for six, had a great year 296 00:14:15,760 --> 00:14:17,199 Speaker 1: in Carolina last year. 297 00:14:17,600 --> 00:14:20,240 Speaker 2: Ye who's it back from Atlanta? 298 00:14:21,320 --> 00:14:23,760 Speaker 3: Oh, Tyler Algier Alger. 299 00:14:23,440 --> 00:14:25,360 Speaker 5: Could be a choice, and I wouldn't be too expensive. 300 00:14:25,360 --> 00:14:26,880 Speaker 5: He is it to run a flyer on him for 301 00:14:26,920 --> 00:14:29,200 Speaker 5: a year and then and then at least to see 302 00:14:29,200 --> 00:14:31,600 Speaker 5: how it works out. But no matter what, though, you 303 00:14:31,640 --> 00:14:34,160 Speaker 5: could bring him in and another guy in like that 304 00:14:34,360 --> 00:14:35,800 Speaker 5: doesn't have to just be one guy. 305 00:14:36,040 --> 00:14:36,320 Speaker 3: True. 306 00:14:36,680 --> 00:14:36,960 Speaker 2: True. 307 00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:38,480 Speaker 1: What do you think about any of those names? David 308 00:14:38,920 --> 00:14:41,080 Speaker 1: jump out to you is because we're one week away 309 00:14:41,080 --> 00:14:41,600 Speaker 1: from this thing. 310 00:14:42,040 --> 00:14:45,760 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean Eckler a couple of years ago would 311 00:14:45,840 --> 00:14:49,160 Speaker 4: interest me for sure, because he's an excellent pass receiver, 312 00:14:49,760 --> 00:14:54,560 Speaker 4: really good option route runner, built low to the ground, tough, 313 00:14:54,720 --> 00:14:58,880 Speaker 4: tough to get a hold of, tough running the football. 314 00:14:59,240 --> 00:15:01,760 Speaker 4: But again, and I don't know coming off that injury, 315 00:15:01,800 --> 00:15:03,920 Speaker 4: I'm not sure what he has left and he's played, 316 00:15:03,960 --> 00:15:05,880 Speaker 4: as you said, nine years. 317 00:15:09,520 --> 00:15:11,760 Speaker 2: Of that group, I'd take Dobbins. Yeah. 318 00:15:11,760 --> 00:15:14,480 Speaker 1: I think I went two right, like of that group 319 00:15:15,760 --> 00:15:18,240 Speaker 1: because because Dobbins is healthy, like we know he's he 320 00:15:18,280 --> 00:15:19,560 Speaker 1: was ready to play in the Super Bowl at least 321 00:15:19,600 --> 00:15:21,480 Speaker 1: he told to see that, right Trady to play in the. 322 00:15:21,400 --> 00:15:24,920 Speaker 3: Super Bowl he's healthy right now, Oh my gosh, right. 323 00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:26,520 Speaker 2: Speed of not being able to run the ball. 324 00:15:27,800 --> 00:15:31,280 Speaker 1: Although I did like the combination of their running backs, 325 00:15:31,320 --> 00:15:34,840 Speaker 1: like as the season worked through, right, they they had 326 00:15:35,000 --> 00:15:38,120 Speaker 1: Remondra Stevenson, who was kind of their hammerhead guy, and 327 00:15:38,160 --> 00:15:41,440 Speaker 1: then they had Trayveon who was a home run hitter. 328 00:15:41,680 --> 00:15:44,040 Speaker 1: Although there's some interesting conversations I got into out of 329 00:15:44,080 --> 00:15:48,240 Speaker 1: the combine about his vision and how there was a 330 00:15:48,280 --> 00:15:49,080 Speaker 1: lot of people. 331 00:15:51,200 --> 00:15:53,640 Speaker 4: Tonty, I'm going to interrupt, okay, and I'm going to 332 00:15:53,720 --> 00:15:56,160 Speaker 4: take you back to a moment watching the Super Bowl 333 00:15:58,040 --> 00:16:03,920 Speaker 4: where I said it was so to me, it was 334 00:16:03,920 --> 00:16:09,880 Speaker 4: so evident. Trayvon Henderson started the Patriots on the TV 335 00:16:09,960 --> 00:16:12,280 Speaker 4: are going right to left. He starts in the slot 336 00:16:12,360 --> 00:16:15,000 Speaker 4: on the right, he comes in motion, they run jet 337 00:16:15,080 --> 00:16:19,600 Speaker 4: sweep and he gains I believe nine yards on the play. 338 00:16:21,640 --> 00:16:28,040 Speaker 4: The TV as it happened cut quickly to Mike Vrabel's 339 00:16:28,080 --> 00:16:34,640 Speaker 4: face and there was such a disgusted look on his face, 340 00:16:36,200 --> 00:16:39,280 Speaker 4: and I said, just like sitting there with two thousand 341 00:16:39,280 --> 00:16:44,120 Speaker 4: people in the room in a ballroom watching the I'm like, oh, 342 00:16:44,200 --> 00:16:47,200 Speaker 4: he thinks that place should have gone for a lot 343 00:16:47,320 --> 00:16:52,760 Speaker 4: more so right there, I said they are not confident 344 00:16:53,360 --> 00:16:56,920 Speaker 4: yet with Trayvon Henderson being the guy. 345 00:16:58,160 --> 00:17:00,400 Speaker 2: So you've heard something similar actly. 346 00:17:00,240 --> 00:17:01,920 Speaker 1: What I heard out there is that there was a 347 00:17:01,960 --> 00:17:05,159 Speaker 1: reason why because I kind of drilled into it, like 348 00:17:05,200 --> 00:17:07,520 Speaker 1: is there a reason why he's not more involved in 349 00:17:07,520 --> 00:17:10,480 Speaker 1: the office because he looked dynamic when he had some 350 00:17:10,520 --> 00:17:12,919 Speaker 1: of those bigger runs, So those bigger plays, and there's like, 351 00:17:12,960 --> 00:17:15,560 Speaker 1: that's exactly why, because he'd have those moments and everybody'd 352 00:17:15,560 --> 00:17:17,160 Speaker 1: be like, oh, you should be giving the ball to Travion, 353 00:17:17,600 --> 00:17:19,480 Speaker 1: but the coaching staff is like, he doesn't have vision. 354 00:17:19,960 --> 00:17:22,760 Speaker 1: He would he just as easily run for a zero 355 00:17:22,880 --> 00:17:25,760 Speaker 1: or negative yard, and if we give him more on 356 00:17:25,800 --> 00:17:27,680 Speaker 1: his plate, we think he's going to be more the latter, 357 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:29,720 Speaker 1: then it's going to be those explosive plays. 358 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:34,360 Speaker 5: Well, before we played him in New England, I think 359 00:17:34,359 --> 00:17:36,800 Speaker 5: he had just started playing the week before, so to 360 00:17:36,840 --> 00:17:39,840 Speaker 5: start the season he wasn't really even playing and that's 361 00:17:39,880 --> 00:17:42,040 Speaker 5: why he came on so strong out of nowhere. Though 362 00:17:42,040 --> 00:17:44,959 Speaker 5: it is because he hit those long runs, but then 363 00:17:45,000 --> 00:17:48,919 Speaker 5: you still saw ramondre Stevenson getting getting carrious, and so 364 00:17:49,000 --> 00:17:52,800 Speaker 5: it makes sense now of like why remondre Stevenson was 365 00:17:52,840 --> 00:17:55,280 Speaker 5: still in the mix of things, even when he has 366 00:17:55,280 --> 00:17:57,560 Speaker 5: fumbling issues, you know what I mean, Like a guy 367 00:17:57,640 --> 00:17:59,639 Speaker 5: like that, usually if it was a Belichick type thing, 368 00:17:59,640 --> 00:18:01,640 Speaker 5: they would you know, he would have said and never 369 00:18:01,760 --> 00:18:04,760 Speaker 5: and never played the rest of the year, all the issues. 370 00:18:04,760 --> 00:18:07,640 Speaker 5: But it makes sense. So why Ramande Stephenson was still 371 00:18:07,640 --> 00:18:12,400 Speaker 5: playing even though Trevion Henderson was showing you he had 372 00:18:12,560 --> 00:18:14,879 Speaker 5: big play after big play potential. 373 00:18:15,240 --> 00:18:17,120 Speaker 1: Let me ask you his David as far as vision 374 00:18:17,160 --> 00:18:19,080 Speaker 1: for running backs, like, how does that develop? 375 00:18:19,119 --> 00:18:21,440 Speaker 3: Because RJ was brought up the same way like RJ. 376 00:18:21,720 --> 00:18:24,280 Speaker 1: There's questions about his vision seeing the holes because he 377 00:18:24,320 --> 00:18:26,280 Speaker 1: had some explosive plays for the Broncos last year too, 378 00:18:26,680 --> 00:18:28,800 Speaker 1: but there was also many moments where it seemed like 379 00:18:29,119 --> 00:18:31,040 Speaker 1: he's either hesitant or didn't quite hit it where he 380 00:18:31,080 --> 00:18:31,439 Speaker 1: should have. 381 00:18:32,400 --> 00:18:36,760 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think I think vision a lot of it 382 00:18:36,800 --> 00:18:41,159 Speaker 4: is instinctive. It depends on the play call and the 383 00:18:41,200 --> 00:18:44,840 Speaker 4: design of the blocking scheme. You know, on on some 384 00:18:45,119 --> 00:18:48,720 Speaker 4: zone plays that that running back has the ability to 385 00:18:48,800 --> 00:18:51,640 Speaker 4: kind of bend things back on on more of a. 386 00:18:51,600 --> 00:18:55,879 Speaker 2: Gap scheme, you know, you're you're you're not going to 387 00:18:56,119 --> 00:18:56,760 Speaker 2: bend it back. 388 00:18:56,800 --> 00:19:00,280 Speaker 4: You're not gonna you got to stay with the blocking 389 00:19:00,400 --> 00:19:02,399 Speaker 4: back and try to try to press the whole a 390 00:19:02,400 --> 00:19:03,000 Speaker 4: little bit more. 391 00:19:03,280 --> 00:19:04,840 Speaker 2: I mean, everybody's a little bit different. 392 00:19:04,960 --> 00:19:10,800 Speaker 4: But I think they played Stevenson frankly because they trusted him. 393 00:19:11,359 --> 00:19:15,080 Speaker 4: They knew of his toughness and power. He wasn't going 394 00:19:15,119 --> 00:19:17,640 Speaker 4: to run away and get you fifty. But he also 395 00:19:17,720 --> 00:19:19,560 Speaker 4: wasn't going to put the ball on the ground and 396 00:19:19,600 --> 00:19:21,920 Speaker 4: he wasn't going to get you know, if a play 397 00:19:22,040 --> 00:19:24,760 Speaker 4: was designed to get three, he's going to get three 398 00:19:25,240 --> 00:19:28,000 Speaker 4: and maybe five or six as opposed to the other 399 00:19:28,040 --> 00:19:31,439 Speaker 4: guy who might get minus two because he wants to 400 00:19:31,680 --> 00:19:33,240 Speaker 4: wants to bounce it outside. 401 00:19:33,440 --> 00:19:33,840 Speaker 2: You can't. 402 00:19:33,840 --> 00:19:37,320 Speaker 4: You can't play running back in this league if it's 403 00:19:37,440 --> 00:19:43,600 Speaker 4: determined that you you Nobody likes to get their their 404 00:19:43,640 --> 00:19:46,760 Speaker 4: face handed to him, like hit me in the face. 405 00:19:47,440 --> 00:19:51,720 Speaker 4: But if it's determined by the league that you're sort 406 00:19:51,760 --> 00:19:55,720 Speaker 4: of that guy that when somebody puts their face on 407 00:19:55,880 --> 00:20:00,800 Speaker 4: your face that you tend to sort of look elsewhere, 408 00:20:01,560 --> 00:20:02,000 Speaker 4: you won't be. 409 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:04,840 Speaker 2: In the league long. And as talented. 410 00:20:04,359 --> 00:20:07,480 Speaker 4: As Henderson is, I think he has to prove that 411 00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:12,960 Speaker 4: he has the grit and toughness to run up inside 412 00:20:13,000 --> 00:20:13,880 Speaker 4: when called. 413 00:20:13,600 --> 00:20:17,280 Speaker 1: On one hundred percent. All right, we uh, when we 414 00:20:17,320 --> 00:20:19,639 Speaker 1: come back. I got to play this sound from Cam Johnson. 415 00:20:19,640 --> 00:20:21,520 Speaker 1: We were talking about him earlier in the Nuggets some 416 00:20:21,600 --> 00:20:23,119 Speaker 1: of their struggles. 417 00:20:22,920 --> 00:20:23,639 Speaker 3: It's it's an. 418 00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:26,600 Speaker 1: Interesting perspective on the mentals when it comes to players 419 00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:33,320 Speaker 1: that are struggling. We'll get to that neck. We're a 420 00:20:33,359 --> 00:20:35,920 Speaker 1: week away from free agency. We're just in the combine, 421 00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:39,360 Speaker 1: last week week away from free agency, and yeah, there's 422 00:20:39,359 --> 00:20:42,080 Speaker 1: some expectation, a little speculation out there that we might 423 00:20:42,119 --> 00:20:46,320 Speaker 1: see an uptick in some trades more so than free 424 00:20:46,320 --> 00:20:49,679 Speaker 1: agent signings. I don't know the whole like it's a 425 00:20:49,720 --> 00:20:52,520 Speaker 1: weaker free agent class. I think that's all sort of 426 00:20:52,600 --> 00:20:53,919 Speaker 1: the eye of the beholder. But I will say this 427 00:20:54,160 --> 00:20:57,000 Speaker 1: very quickly that the Broncos were ahead of this thing. 428 00:20:57,040 --> 00:20:59,760 Speaker 1: They got their center ups right before the end of 429 00:20:59,800 --> 00:21:03,040 Speaker 1: the season, Luke Wattenberg. They got a couple of contracts 430 00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:05,560 Speaker 1: done right before the season. I got Malcolm Roach done 431 00:21:05,640 --> 00:21:07,199 Speaker 1: right before the end of the season as well. So 432 00:21:07,600 --> 00:21:10,520 Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe that frames thing for the Broncos. 433 00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:13,360 Speaker 1: I do believe they're gonna get Alex Singleton back. Where 434 00:21:13,359 --> 00:21:15,760 Speaker 1: does John Franklin Myers wind up Tennessee? 435 00:21:16,320 --> 00:21:18,040 Speaker 2: You think so? Do you think so? 436 00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:19,560 Speaker 3: That's my best guess. 437 00:21:19,680 --> 00:21:21,159 Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, they got money. 438 00:21:21,240 --> 00:21:24,639 Speaker 3: That's the buzz out there in They're getting a hell 439 00:21:24,680 --> 00:21:25,240 Speaker 3: of a player. 440 00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:27,159 Speaker 2: I'll just say crazy. 441 00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:30,320 Speaker 5: He would go crazy in that defense and attack a 442 00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:34,639 Speaker 5: true attack defense where you don't have to worry about 443 00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:37,480 Speaker 5: stepping sideway is all you're doing is going forward, because 444 00:21:37,480 --> 00:21:40,400 Speaker 5: that's what Syla runs. That be that'd be great for him. 445 00:21:40,440 --> 00:21:43,280 Speaker 5: That's the guy who you already getting the head starter 446 00:21:43,359 --> 00:21:46,120 Speaker 5: on pass rushing, so that I can see that being 447 00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:48,280 Speaker 5: a breakout year for him if he ends up going there, 448 00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:50,000 Speaker 5: because that scheme would fit him perfectly. 449 00:21:50,280 --> 00:21:52,879 Speaker 4: I'm just a big and I've said so on the 450 00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:56,639 Speaker 4: show a number of times. Uh JFM fan. I just 451 00:21:57,240 --> 00:21:59,960 Speaker 4: I think he's a hell of a player, and I 452 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:04,000 Speaker 4: think he has made plays that have allowed other guys 453 00:22:04,040 --> 00:22:08,919 Speaker 4: to make plays in this defense. So I'd love to 454 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:13,360 Speaker 4: see him stay somehow. I understand money, and I understand 455 00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:17,720 Speaker 4: you can only commit so many dollars to a certain position. 456 00:22:18,040 --> 00:22:21,120 Speaker 2: I get that. I'm just telling you, I just think. 457 00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:25,520 Speaker 4: He is an underrated dude, completely agree something like one 458 00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:26,119 Speaker 4: of the best. 459 00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:28,840 Speaker 5: I honestly, and I've told Ryan this and this is 460 00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:32,280 Speaker 5: why I say this so hard. I don't think you 461 00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:36,120 Speaker 5: get Zach Allen to become the player that he is 462 00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:40,280 Speaker 5: if he's not paired with John Franklin Myers. Because I 463 00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:47,720 Speaker 5: truly believe that Jathon really helped Zach Allen really break 464 00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:50,800 Speaker 5: out because it made it that you can't double team anyone. 465 00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:53,240 Speaker 5: You have to pretty much take the one on one 466 00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:55,679 Speaker 5: and just's be okay with it. And Zach Allen obviously 467 00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:59,359 Speaker 5: dominated within sort of JFM, but I think it goes 468 00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:03,160 Speaker 5: to show that, you know, sometimes pairing certain players up 469 00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:05,600 Speaker 5: it works out. They play very well against each other. 470 00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:08,640 Speaker 5: That's why I was so big one that the Broncos 471 00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:11,640 Speaker 5: should resign him. I don't think that's the one guy 472 00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:14,600 Speaker 5: you you should not let out out the door. That's 473 00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:18,080 Speaker 5: a guy that can really he's a difference maker. So 474 00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:20,920 Speaker 5: what are they projecting he's going to command? 475 00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:22,680 Speaker 3: Well, that's a good question. 476 00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:27,240 Speaker 2: That's why can I come to you for the good questions. 477 00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:28,439 Speaker 2: I expect him to. 478 00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:29,200 Speaker 3: Be a way one guy. 479 00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:31,000 Speaker 1: I do expect him and he's gonna get three year 480 00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:33,280 Speaker 1: deals something along those lines. I can look up with 481 00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:37,000 Speaker 1: the spot Rack estimate because they usually do an estimation 482 00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:39,000 Speaker 1: on all point nine. 483 00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:41,520 Speaker 5: So that's why I don't believe like and This is 484 00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:44,000 Speaker 5: this type of stuff that makes me not believe spy rap, 485 00:23:44,040 --> 00:23:48,520 Speaker 5: because that's a player who can be a premium pass 486 00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:51,240 Speaker 5: rusher for your team, give you preach and he can 487 00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:54,639 Speaker 5: go inside and out. I think that's lost upon people. 488 00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:57,520 Speaker 5: How he can go outside, give you base downs on 489 00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:01,800 Speaker 5: an end Russia end. He can come inside. You can 490 00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:05,800 Speaker 5: do banksdowns inside Russia tackle. That's rare, you know, and 491 00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:09,480 Speaker 5: he can win at both. So how would have been 492 00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:11,840 Speaker 5: surprised with a guy like that is up to twelve, thirteen, 493 00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:12,640 Speaker 5: fourteen a year. 494 00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:16,679 Speaker 1: Well yeah again, how many he's played in the league 495 00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:18,200 Speaker 1: for sex years? 496 00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:22,000 Speaker 3: Eight years? Yeah, maybe that might impact that a little bit. 497 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:22,680 Speaker 3: I'm not so sure. 498 00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:27,040 Speaker 1: But like I said, everybody out there unanimously said Tennessee 499 00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:29,920 Speaker 1: every single time I was I asked about it, and 500 00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:32,560 Speaker 1: they all expected him to get a pretty nice contractor 501 00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:35,119 Speaker 1: from Tennessee. So we'll see what that is before we 502 00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:37,200 Speaker 1: hit the traffic and break here at the bottom or 503 00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:39,359 Speaker 1: at forty two. Here, I want to bring up this 504 00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:42,120 Speaker 1: Cam Johnson sound. So this is Vick Lombardy without two. 505 00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:45,000 Speaker 1: Television captured this in the locker room. We were talking 506 00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:49,879 Speaker 1: about Cam earlier zero points on twenty three minutes against Minnesota. 507 00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:53,760 Speaker 1: He had seven points against Oklahoma City in forty minutes 508 00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:57,800 Speaker 1: on the court. In overtime, he had eleven against Boston 509 00:24:57,840 --> 00:24:59,920 Speaker 1: and nine against Golden States. That's a little snapshot of 510 00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:03,400 Speaker 1: how things are going. To listen to this on him 511 00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:05,040 Speaker 1: talking about his struggles. 512 00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:08,040 Speaker 6: There's a lot of things, man, There's a lot of things. 513 00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:17,119 Speaker 6: One is understanding that you've been through it before. Understanding 514 00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:21,200 Speaker 6: that you know, every time that you felt down that 515 00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:26,639 Speaker 6: you know, I can't really don't really feel like you're 516 00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:28,240 Speaker 6: seeing light at the end of the tunnel, just feel 517 00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:29,960 Speaker 6: like you just keep letting yourself. 518 00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:30,880 Speaker 2: Down, letting your teammates down. 519 00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:32,680 Speaker 6: That every time that's happened, you know, I've been able 520 00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:36,160 Speaker 6: to turn around, you know, get back on track. 521 00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:37,320 Speaker 2: Someway somehow. 522 00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:41,159 Speaker 6: Hasn't knocked me out of the game completely yet, you know, 523 00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:43,919 Speaker 6: hasn't forced me to hang it up, hasn't forced me 524 00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:46,800 Speaker 6: to you know, miss every shot rest of my career. 525 00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:49,639 Speaker 6: So I just got to kind of continue on with 526 00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:51,520 Speaker 6: that trust and continue to. 527 00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:55,800 Speaker 7: Work and forget about it, knowing that it's you know, 528 00:25:56,880 --> 00:26:01,199 Speaker 7: such a severe lack of contribution really shows up in 529 00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:01,640 Speaker 7: the end. 530 00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:05,679 Speaker 3: Yeah, h. 531 00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:12,159 Speaker 4: Listen, I mean I feel I feel badly for the 532 00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:14,000 Speaker 4: young guy, I really do. 533 00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:16,240 Speaker 2: And I know they make a lot of money. 534 00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:20,120 Speaker 4: I understand that, but that's that's that is a guy 535 00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:24,520 Speaker 4: that right now is a tortured soul. And you can 536 00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:29,720 Speaker 4: tell he's lost if not all of his confidence is 537 00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:33,359 Speaker 4: the majority of it. And you can't you can't play 538 00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:42,679 Speaker 4: any sport, certainly professionally if you've lost all of your confidence. 539 00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:44,359 Speaker 2: So that that's the guy. 540 00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:49,360 Speaker 4: I mean, you know, not not to be too hokey 541 00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:52,000 Speaker 4: about it, but I am going to be rooting like 542 00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:55,879 Speaker 4: hell for Cam Johnson to figure out a way to 543 00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:59,520 Speaker 4: get this thing turned around, because that I mean that 544 00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:02,680 Speaker 4: geeze for that guy. 545 00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:05,359 Speaker 5: Man. Yeah, you don't wish out on anyone, No, no, 546 00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:09,800 Speaker 5: like this this listening to him, this sounds dejected. This 547 00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:10,920 Speaker 5: sounded just like. 548 00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:14,560 Speaker 2: He broke almost Yeah. 549 00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:16,960 Speaker 5: And and you should never feel that way playing sports, 550 00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:21,000 Speaker 5: you know. And obviously at this point it seems that 551 00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:25,119 Speaker 5: he is thinking too much when he's playing, you know 552 00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:28,639 Speaker 5: what I mean, and going out there and dropping zero points, 553 00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:30,760 Speaker 5: all that's going to do is is get even more 554 00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:33,639 Speaker 5: in your head. So you know, you the hope is 555 00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:35,840 Speaker 5: and you know, a lot of these guys, like like 556 00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:37,879 Speaker 5: you said, though it's not the first time something like 557 00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:40,520 Speaker 5: this has happened, so you know, just have to trust 558 00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:43,160 Speaker 5: that the work and everything else will get it back 559 00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:46,119 Speaker 5: back to where it's supposed to be. But man, that 560 00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:50,720 Speaker 5: just didn't sound sound great listening to that hearing hearing 561 00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:54,159 Speaker 5: how just low he felt, you know what I mean. 562 00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:57,120 Speaker 5: But also and also on top of that, I hope 563 00:27:57,160 --> 00:27:59,639 Speaker 5: somebody is checking in on that man, because one of 564 00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:01,760 Speaker 5: his team, it's everyone, and I hope everyone's just sitting 565 00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:04,080 Speaker 5: there telling him, like, it's just a game. You're want 566 00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:05,920 Speaker 5: to get it together, yep, Like we trust you, we 567 00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:08,000 Speaker 5: believe in you, and like as long as you have 568 00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:10,760 Speaker 5: those guys behind you that you play with and you 569 00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:14,520 Speaker 5: play for, you eventually will get it together and hopefully 570 00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:17,520 Speaker 5: they keep him from going too low. 571 00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:21,719 Speaker 1: So it sounds like he's got some right ankle soreness 572 00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:25,119 Speaker 1: and he's gonna not only miss tonight, there's some expectations 573 00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:28,000 Speaker 1: you might miss a little bit more than that. Maybe 574 00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:29,840 Speaker 1: there's something to that, a little bit of a reset 575 00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:31,840 Speaker 1: for him, because. 576 00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:32,880 Speaker 2: I mean, you know, it's on. 577 00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:35,199 Speaker 1: Top of the confidence, you're also dealing you're dealing with 578 00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:37,280 Speaker 1: an injury, right, I mean, that's that's part of it 579 00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:40,840 Speaker 1: as well, But fans don't care about that, right. If 580 00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:43,680 Speaker 1: you're not you're you're out there, you're playing. We expect 581 00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:45,360 Speaker 1: you to give everything you got and you've got to 582 00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:45,720 Speaker 1: be good. 583 00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:48,880 Speaker 4: I never played in the NBA, but I played a 584 00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:51,240 Speaker 4: long time in the NFL, And when you're out there 585 00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:56,160 Speaker 4: in a game and your helmets on, you know, they 586 00:28:56,440 --> 00:29:00,560 Speaker 4: fans expect you to be able to play like you 587 00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:03,480 Speaker 4: can play when you're one hundred percent healthy, and rarely 588 00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:07,000 Speaker 4: in the NFL, at least rarely are you one hundred 589 00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:10,320 Speaker 4: percent healthy once the season starts. But I agree with Shelby, 590 00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:17,160 Speaker 4: I mean hearing hearing those cuts. I would try to 591 00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:22,320 Speaker 4: get him some whether the right phrase is mental health help, 592 00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:28,400 Speaker 4: positive coaching help, you know, and hopefully his teammates will 593 00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:32,520 Speaker 4: rally to him because he obviously feels horrible. And we've 594 00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:34,640 Speaker 4: all anybody who's ever played the game of basketball, even 595 00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:36,959 Speaker 4: if you haven't played at the NBA level, but if 596 00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:39,720 Speaker 4: you've played in college, you know, if you're if you're 597 00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:42,320 Speaker 4: a guy who scores, you're going to go through some 598 00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:46,400 Speaker 4: stretches where the ball just doesn't go in and it's 599 00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:49,800 Speaker 4: sucking the life out of your body, like through your 600 00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:54,360 Speaker 4: esophagus and you you know, so you just got to 601 00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:58,160 Speaker 4: remain positive with this guy and try to alleviate some 602 00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:01,840 Speaker 4: of the self imposed per sure that he obviously puts 603 00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:02,440 Speaker 4: on himself. 604 00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:12,760 Speaker 1: Oh hi, Ben, what are you talking about? I don't 605 00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:15,000 Speaker 1: even remember what the context so that was. But Grant 606 00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:15,800 Speaker 1: played back at. 607 00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:16,400 Speaker 2: Some some dig it. 608 00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:20,160 Speaker 3: Then yeah, listen to the show. So I know, too 609 00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:21,160 Speaker 3: busy playing video games? 610 00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:22,160 Speaker 2: How are you? Uh? 611 00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:22,360 Speaker 1: You know? 612 00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:23,800 Speaker 8: I was trying to play a video game and then 613 00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:25,280 Speaker 8: astronaut Shelby Harris showed up. 614 00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:27,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, did you send it to him? I'll show you 615 00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:28,520 Speaker 2: the picture dur the break. 616 00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:30,520 Speaker 8: He was playing my game, and I'm like, bro, Astronaut 617 00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:32,520 Speaker 8: Shelby Harris is sweating me right now in the middle 618 00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:33,240 Speaker 8: of my game. 619 00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:35,560 Speaker 3: Best Hands in NASA in Starfield. 620 00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:39,200 Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm here, baby, And this dude has built like 621 00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:43,520 Speaker 5: I mean, like, hey, do I haven't tell you guys 622 00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:46,600 Speaker 5: that I had to ref my son's basketball game this week? 623 00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:47,920 Speaker 3: Really? No, you did not. 624 00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:50,200 Speaker 5: I showed up to I went to this game and 625 00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:53,000 Speaker 5: the Reds didn't show up. Oh my gosh, so for 626 00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:54,600 Speaker 5: the first half, and so I had to go back. 627 00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:57,360 Speaker 5: I rerefed high school. I rerefed youth basketball when I 628 00:30:57,360 --> 00:30:58,120 Speaker 5: was in high school. 629 00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:00,520 Speaker 2: Anybody argue with you, yes, So. 630 00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:02,560 Speaker 5: That's like really, so let me explain this. So I 631 00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:04,320 Speaker 5: had to literally yell it. I had to yell at 632 00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:07,640 Speaker 5: a coach and a parent and I'm like, you're what's 633 00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:11,040 Speaker 5: wrong with youth sports? You're ruining it for the kids, Like, 634 00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:14,600 Speaker 5: shut up, like this is you were ruining it. Like 635 00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:18,840 Speaker 5: I hate how you know parents coaches like this is 636 00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:22,040 Speaker 5: youth sports. Your kid's not going to the NBA more likely. Yeah, Like, 637 00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:24,520 Speaker 5: let them enjoy it. This is where they fall in 638 00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:25,360 Speaker 5: love with the game. 639 00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:26,560 Speaker 2: I never did basketball. 640 00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:29,320 Speaker 8: I refereed to high school football for a while turner An, Arkansas, 641 00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:32,120 Speaker 8: and one time this guy was giving me the business 642 00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:33,840 Speaker 8: on the sideline and finally I just turned around. 643 00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:36,040 Speaker 2: I was like, coach, he's twenty eight to nine. 644 00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:37,040 Speaker 3: You're on the wrong end here. 645 00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:38,479 Speaker 8: How about I leave the coaching to you, You leave 646 00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:39,280 Speaker 8: the reforen to me, and we. 647 00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:48,160 Speaker 5: Call her even Yeah, I bet he shut up at the. 648 00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:47,520 Speaker 2: They act just so confused when we talked back to them. 649 00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:47,960 Speaker 6: Huh. 650 00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:50,440 Speaker 5: And I'm just like, yo, like I'm not getting paid 651 00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:51,760 Speaker 5: for this, leave me alone. 652 00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:53,040 Speaker 2: I mean, I was getting paid for it, but I 653 00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:54,000 Speaker 2: wouldn't get paid to take that. 654 00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:57,120 Speaker 1: Was it a situation where like the game would have 655 00:31:57,160 --> 00:31:59,440 Speaker 1: happened if you didn't volunteer in that moment, or they 656 00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:00,200 Speaker 1: needed a re or. 657 00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:01,520 Speaker 5: They were going to play without one. But how do 658 00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:02,320 Speaker 5: you play basketball? 659 00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:04,040 Speaker 2: Pout? Yeah, you know what I mean, I would just 660 00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:09,760 Speaker 2: start tackling right well six d. Yeah. 661 00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:11,520 Speaker 5: But this is just the one thing I want to 662 00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:14,920 Speaker 5: say about this that regarding that, like parents, chill out, 663 00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:19,640 Speaker 5: let your kids enjoy the sport, like little Timmy isn't 664 00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:22,200 Speaker 5: going to be tim linccombe, you know what I mean, 665 00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:23,640 Speaker 5: or like none of that. 666 00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:24,880 Speaker 2: Let them enjoy it. 667 00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:25,880 Speaker 3: This is what it's for. 668 00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:28,800 Speaker 2: Don't ruin for the kids. And was seeing it's way. 669 00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:32,440 Speaker 3: Too often well said man like that, Hey very quickly. 670 00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:33,800 Speaker 3: I know you're gonna talk about it in your show. 671 00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:36,160 Speaker 3: But the David Montgomery thing you said the Broncos were in. 672 00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:38,280 Speaker 8: They were not going above a five and so when 673 00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:40,640 Speaker 8: when that offer got passed back over to Houston at 674 00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:42,920 Speaker 8: a four to seven and a player that was uh well, 675 00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:45,680 Speaker 8: I mean in that players you know, yeah, sure whatever. 676 00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:48,840 Speaker 2: But Jews, he got the Jews. He's literally in the name. 677 00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:51,400 Speaker 8: I mean, he's like a block of granite, and that 678 00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:54,720 Speaker 8: he doesn't hardly move at all, you know, but a 679 00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:56,520 Speaker 8: four to seven is too much by itself, and then 680 00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:57,200 Speaker 8: you know that kind of thing. 681 00:32:57,240 --> 00:32:58,920 Speaker 2: So there's no way the Broncos were giving up a 682 00:32:58,920 --> 00:32:59,520 Speaker 2: four to seven. 683 00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:01,320 Speaker 8: And pal show to you know, or foresight or whatever 684 00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:02,000 Speaker 8: to make. 685 00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:02,960 Speaker 3: That so okay. 686 00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:04,760 Speaker 2: All right. So it's just here's the thing. 687 00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:07,040 Speaker 8: If you want that skill set, Rico Daddle's out there 688 00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:08,920 Speaker 8: and free agency, it costs you less and you don't 689 00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:12,280 Speaker 8: give up the draft cat what about him? Do you 690 00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:15,560 Speaker 8: trust wide receiver on the team.