Speaker 1: Do you want to be in American start floating on
Speaker 1: this MLK day on seven hundred Wow, more than that,
Speaker 1: about nine thirty five feels kind of hollow to me
Speaker 1: here in Cincinnati anyway.
Speaker 2: Maybe not the rest they came here, but here in Cinty.
Speaker 2: I'll explain why I'm.
Speaker 3: Momentarily first though TERRFF related stuff. Announcement just came out.
Speaker 3: Canada has cut tariffs on Chinese made electric vehicles, so
Speaker 3: kind of an end around there on the United States
Speaker 3: because the ongoing tariff war, and speaking of which, over
Speaker 3: the weekend, the President threatened tariffs on eight NATO allies
Speaker 3: unless the deal has reached for US to buy Greenland,
Speaker 3: which leaves a lot of US scratching our head. And
Speaker 3: also the United States Supreme Court last week we're expected
Speaker 3: to they never tell you what they're going to rule
Speaker 3: on when, but last week or expecting a decision maybe
Speaker 3: on whether the Trump tariffs are legal. According to the
Speaker 3: Ice Supreme Court, they have kicked the can down the
Speaker 3: least till next time. We'll find out. It could be
Speaker 3: weeks away at this point, we're not sure. But all
Speaker 3: this comes together as costs continue to just be stubborn
Speaker 3: with inflation and everything else in tariff's a part of
Speaker 3: that for sure. On that is Kyle Moran, our friend
Speaker 3: from Young Voices, welcome back, How you been.
Speaker 4: I'm good, Thank you for having me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, appreciate it.
Speaker 3: So the big issue here as we debate tariffs and
Speaker 3: if they're effective or not, is that the President invoked
Speaker 3: the Powers Act and designed for a national security crisis
Speaker 3: like wars or terrorism or seizing assets things like that,
Speaker 3: to impose trade tarffs on China. Is this a misuse
Speaker 3: of emergency powers because that's what the High Court is
Speaker 3: going to decide here.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it basically is guaranteed to be some sort of
Speaker 4: abuse of overreach in terms of the emergency powers granted
Speaker 4: to him through that Act, because from day one when
Speaker 4: he rolled these out, he was already exempting very specific
Speaker 4: industries that are economically important because he knows the impact
Speaker 4: that tariff would have on those would be detrimental to
Speaker 4: the United States. But critically this shows that it's not
Speaker 4: based on national security. When he's exempting cowper, pharmaceuticals, semiconductors,
Speaker 4: all these other types of materials from the tariffs, then
Speaker 4: what is it What is he even tariffing a lot
Speaker 4: of it is a lot less important goods that we're importing,
Speaker 4: So therefore it's not based on national security, which he
Speaker 4: himself has sort of admitted very at various times. He
Speaker 4: has gone on record as saying it's going to be
Speaker 4: used to pay down the national debt, to do now,
Speaker 4: to do these stimulus checks as a source of revenue
Speaker 4: rather than as a national security concern.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that is a concern too. It's just purely
Speaker 3: on a revenue standpoint. And so far we've had some
Speaker 3: indication that the conservative justices are even pushing back on this.
Speaker 3: Amy Cony Barrett and Justice Chief Justice Rod John Roberts
Speaker 3: said that the vehicle is in position of taxes on
Speaker 3: Americans and that has always been a core power of Congress.
Speaker 3: Those early indication certainly don't indicate how they're going to vote,
Speaker 3: because there's been time to I've thrown that out. They're
Speaker 3: challenging it. But that if you're looking at the tea
Speaker 3: lives here, it doesn't bode well for this.
Speaker 4: No, it doesn't, because like I was, like I said,
Speaker 4: so much of this has not even been like the
Speaker 4: oppositions criticizing the administration, but the administration undermining its own position.
Speaker 4: So it really does. It does get into some tricky
Speaker 4: legal battles for the administration to keep this standing. But
Speaker 4: I have, I do have to step back and think
Speaker 4: these powers were passed to be very limited in times
Speaker 4: of in terms of actual concerns to national security. We
Speaker 4: have reached a point where Congress has ceded so much
Speaker 4: power to the executive. The point of passing that Act
Speaker 4: in nineteen seventy seven was never to institute broad sweeping
Speaker 4: powers for the executives to just simply impose and pull
Speaker 4: off and impose more care really nilly. That was not
Speaker 4: what it was for. It's not what it is for now,
Speaker 4: and the country is not designed to be run by
Speaker 4: somebody who has essentially more and more unlimited power for
Speaker 4: four years before election.
Speaker 3: If the Supreme Court rules against these terroriffs, does that
Speaker 3: then call in the re examination of the executive order
Speaker 3: power the part of the presidency and executive I mean,
Speaker 3: we saw Biden and the autopen do it with impunity,
Speaker 3: and Trump said, well, here, hold my diet coke, watch
Speaker 3: me make a bunch of executive orders. In Congress has
Speaker 3: absolutely no They're feckless, right, I mean, you can shut
Speaker 3: the government down for forty something days over god knows what.
Speaker 3: They can't really pass any and come to conclusion other
Speaker 3: than releasing the Epstein files because it covers their asses.
Speaker 3: But does this change then how we how we maybe
Speaker 3: that the Congress actually is forced to do their job.
Speaker 4: I'm not optimistic on that. I it will limit the
Speaker 4: executive in terms of being able to do this on again,
Speaker 4: off again charade, which has reached incredible levels where it's
Speaker 4: literally back in April and May, it was every day
Speaker 4: you would open the news, new tariff and then one
Speaker 4: of those tariffs was canceled, and then the next day
Speaker 4: more tariff. So that type of stuff would be much
Speaker 4: harder for future executives. But to your point about Biden
Speaker 4: with the auto pen and all these things, Congress has
Speaker 4: essentially feeded, like I said, so much of its own
Speaker 4: power to the executive on a broad range of issues.
Speaker 4: The Supreme Court doesn't have the ability to step in
Speaker 4: and say Congress needs to do this. It can say
Speaker 4: that the President doesn't have the ability himself to do it,
Speaker 4: but it can't make Congress do its job. And certainly,
Speaker 4: as we have seeing, Congress can't make Congress do its
Speaker 4: own job. So we are in an unfortunate position there,
Speaker 4: and I'm not gone through them that will see much
Speaker 4: of an improvement.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I'm hoping anyway, uh, Cale Moran that if
Speaker 3: the if the Supreme Court rolls against him with tariffs,
Speaker 3: which we'll get in the repercussions of that in a second,
Speaker 3: but on a bigger scale, and that is limiting executive
Speaker 3: office powers and executive branch powers. That there's a roadblock there,
Speaker 3: and the other one is going to be Venezuela at
Speaker 3: some point, I imagine you know that's going to come
Speaker 3: to some sort of fruition here, but relative to the
Speaker 3: ninety billion collected, that is another big problem there. The
Speaker 3: of course the money's coming back in, but it would
Speaker 3: there be a refund and how would that even work?
Speaker 4: That is an excellent question because this is something on
Speaker 4: this scale that's never been attempted before. So if these
Speaker 4: are stripped down, there would have to be refunds. But
Speaker 4: depending on when this actually happens, depending on if the
Speaker 4: government has spent this money. Trump is already eyeing using
Speaker 4: those funds for these two thousand dollars stimulus checks, which
Speaker 4: wouldn't even be enough to cover those by the way,
Speaker 4: but it would create a very unprecedented situation. We would
Speaker 4: have to see exactly how this plays out, But to
Speaker 4: answer your question, yes, they would have to be refunded well.
Speaker 3: And the other element here is if we have a
Speaker 3: thirty eight trillion dollar deficit, why are we handing out
Speaker 3: two thousand dollars checks which seems like it was light
Speaker 3: years ago and I was proposed, but again, nothing ever dies.
Speaker 3: I think more than that though, the idea we're going
Speaker 3: to spend seven hundred billion on buying greenland.
Speaker 2: We got the money and the count for that one.
Speaker 4: Exactly, which is part of the issue here. Again. We
Speaker 4: saw the impact back under the Biden administration incredibly big
Speaker 4: spending and money printing in twenty twenty one, which drove
Speaker 4: inflation up to nine percent, and we are still feeling
Speaker 4: the results of that. We're still feeling the impact of
Speaker 4: that for almost five years on now. So when the
Speaker 4: inflation goes up like that, it never comes down again.
Speaker 4: The inflation rate at which is increase may come down,
Speaker 4: but the prices that went up they're just there and
Speaker 4: you're stuck with that. You will never see twenty nineteen
Speaker 4: prices for a lot of goods again. And that's the
Speaker 4: unfortunate reality of the money system that we have now,
Speaker 4: where we just print more and more, and almost certainly
Speaker 4: we would have to print a considerable amount of money
Speaker 4: to make these two thousand dollars checks happen. And then
Speaker 4: on top of that, Trump hates the current Federal Reserve
Speaker 4: chairge your own Powell, who's not flallaced by any means,
Speaker 4: but he wants to replace them with somebody who's going
Speaker 4: to be even more dubbish and turn the money printers
Speaker 4: back on and just print print.
Speaker 3: As someone who is I guess more libertarian than anything,
Speaker 3: and I just dis trust government top to bottom of
Speaker 3: my team, your team. Kind of nonsense. There's an hypocrisy
Speaker 3: test here, right, So how many Republicans who absolutely celebrate
Speaker 3: the tariffs and all this and the bombing of ships
Speaker 3: off Venezuela would they be outrage of a Democratic president
Speaker 3: of this sen I mean, look at this one. We
Speaker 3: talk about the Affordable Care Act, which is they're right,
Speaker 3: it's subsidy. You're taking taxpayer money to give other people
Speaker 3: a break on their healthcare. Healthcare is to damn expensive.
Speaker 3: Let's do something the lower the cost of healthcare, as
Speaker 3: opposed to just giving aid to people and redistributing wealth.
Speaker 3: It doesn't work. It's too expensive, it's not a four.
Speaker 3: It doesn't make it affordable, it makes it less affordable.
Speaker 3: Subsidy does using that same logic, And I'm right about that.
Speaker 3: Republicans should be talking about what we're doing here with
Speaker 3: Trump and be equally outraged that now we're going to
Speaker 3: take money that could go pay off the deficit and
Speaker 3: we're going to give people subsidies.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and to your point, the healthcare situation is something
Speaker 4: the GOP has basically ignored for the last no course
Speaker 4: a decade minimum, and at this point it's reaching a
Speaker 4: breaking point where they just can't ignore it anymore. They
Speaker 4: tried to appeal and replace obamac here in twenty seventeen
Speaker 4: twenty eighteen, it went down in pretty famous ways, and
Speaker 4: the deal they wanted to pass is not a great
Speaker 4: deal to begin with. But ever since then, they just
Speaker 4: haven't tried much of anything. And the only people talking
Speaker 4: about healthcare reform now are the progressive And that's a
Speaker 4: very dangerous situation because when people when people see that
Speaker 4: their health career costs are skyrocketing, which they are, uh
Speaker 4: and the only people even talking about it are going
Speaker 4: to be AOC and Bernie Sanders like that is how
Speaker 4: you wind up with people like Zar Mombami is mayor,
Speaker 4: even though he doesn't have direct control over health care.
Speaker 4: People just hear these things from the left and resonate
Speaker 4: with it, and not illegitimately either because they they they
Speaker 4: cannot afford these crazy surge surges in these pranceses. So
Speaker 4: the got really needs to get going on healthcare.
Speaker 3: The Democrats plan is, here's groupon we're going to get
Speaker 3: the lower cost on your healthcare. We're going to take
Speaker 3: someone else's money and give it to you. Okay, that's
Speaker 3: not a plan. That is just a band aid.
Speaker 2: Is what that does?
Speaker 3: It make things worse, not better in the long run.
Speaker 3: Look what the subsidies done to the college industry. You know,
Speaker 3: college is out of control because the substet it's the
Speaker 3: same thing. And then I look at the Republicans and
Speaker 3: it's been fifteen years. They have no answer on this.
Speaker 3: All I hear is well, eat better. Well, that's okay,
Speaker 3: eat better, but don't take tail and all okay, great,
Speaker 3: but I've got cancer now and I can't afford it.
Speaker 3: I'm going to take the subsidy. That's that's what we're
Speaker 3: faced with.
Speaker 4: I know, it's it's absolute madness. And the talking points
Speaker 4: that they use for some of it is are legitimate.
Speaker 4: So when they were talking about not wanting any illegal
Speaker 4: immigrants to be on government subside healthcare, this is a
Speaker 4: legitimate concern. But that is not addressing the issue that
Speaker 4: millions of American suits and are seeing their healthcare costs
Speaker 4: go up more than double, sometimes triple over the last
Speaker 4: several years. Myself, I have seen mine go up more
Speaker 4: than in doubles over the last four years. So this
Speaker 4: is this is unsustainable, and nobody on the right is
Speaker 4: even talking about it, let alone at proposing real plans
Speaker 4: on it.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it was supposed to make America great again,
Speaker 3: and I think healthcare is certainly a cornerstone of that,
Speaker 3: and to some degree, people like Marjorie Taylor Greener are
Speaker 3: accurate on that one too. Let's focus on this kind
Speaker 3: of stuff. You've had fifteen years to come up with
Speaker 3: a plan, and there's no plan at this point. It's
Speaker 3: nothing but platitudes, is what I'm getting. He is a
Speaker 3: comic go ahead.
Speaker 4: People on the right have been attacking her over this,
Speaker 4: and I'm thinking to myself, this is this is madness.
Speaker 4: I find it incredible. I'm raising Marjorie Taylor Green of
Speaker 4: all people, but she is absolutely right about this, and
Speaker 4: I respect her for her courage and standing up to
Speaker 4: people who are otherwise just burying their heads in the
Speaker 4: stands and suspending all is well, it's not, and I
Speaker 4: respect the fact that she's addressing it.
Speaker 3: He is a common ran political analyst and young voice,
Speaker 3: a senior contributor, and talking about tariffs now before the
Speaker 3: Supreme Court and they will decide whether not these are
Speaker 3: illegal or not. If it's a no go. We got
Speaker 3: to talk about refunding money to these countries. But you know,
Speaker 3: at the same time, you look at getting China to
Speaker 3: the table to kind of negotiate, look at some of
Speaker 3: the deals done with other countries. Would it be tough
Speaker 3: for the Supreme Court done do all that.
Speaker 4: Well? In terms of executive the president negotiating with foreign countries,
Speaker 4: he certainly has pretty broad powers there. But the issue
Speaker 4: is that he is currently arguing that the tariffs are
Speaker 4: for national security and in no small part using that
Speaker 4: as leverage. But the issue is that he has also
Speaker 4: made so many other statements as well as other people
Speaker 4: in his administration making other statements that directly undermine that argument,
Speaker 4: because on one day the case what we made that
Speaker 4: we need tariff to protect American industry. The next day
Speaker 4: it will be that tariffs I needed as a temporary
Speaker 4: measure to get other countries to lower their tariffs on up.
Speaker 4: And then the day after that it will be that
Speaker 4: we need tariffs to generate revenues that we can pay
Speaker 4: off our debt.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So nobody, the administration's position on this changes on
Speaker 4: the daily and it's going to be a very challenging
Speaker 4: hill for the administration to climb, given how all over
Speaker 4: the places has been.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's almost like corporate America in a way. Is
Speaker 3: that you know, we live quarter to quarter. We don't
Speaker 3: care about tomorrow. We just care about the bottom line today,
Speaker 3: and we might cut our nose off to spite our face,
Speaker 3: but damn it, we got to do that right now.
Speaker 3: And it's now that's permeated to politics to agree. If
Speaker 3: you think about it, is if this is allowed, you
Speaker 3: want and you know, Republicans will celebrate this big win
Speaker 3: by the Supreme Court and the tariffs can stand. The
Speaker 3: present can do that, Okay, great, but I want of
Speaker 3: the same people will be yelling and angry about this
Speaker 3: in the future next year or five years or eight whenever,
Speaker 3: and at some point a Democrat will be back in
Speaker 3: charge and maybe they go, hey, you know what, climate
Speaker 3: change is an economic emergency. We're going to impost carbon
Speaker 3: tariffs exactly.
Speaker 4: And that's why this whole system was set up not
Speaker 4: to be just as a way we're currently experiencing it,
Speaker 4: because we are. If you have a country in which
Speaker 4: you have radical changes of national policy every four years,
Speaker 4: you're going to go through these wild whiplashes of moving
Speaker 4: to the right for one administration moving to the west,
Speaker 4: and the other administration. And this will happen to some
Speaker 4: extent no matter what the system is, because the executive
Speaker 4: does have some power. But it was never designed to
Speaker 4: be this wild swing between Biden comes into office and
Speaker 4: because he's president, he can do all of these far
Speaker 4: left things and open the border and at least ten
Speaker 4: million illegal immigrants, which nobody voted for. Nobody voted in
Speaker 4: twenty twenty to open the ordering the ten million people
Speaker 4: into the country. That was not part of the campaign.
Speaker 4: It just happened with no input from the American electorate.
Speaker 4: But despite widespread opposition to it. It just continued for
Speaker 4: three and a half years before he even really tried
Speaker 4: to address it. Then Trump comes in. Nobody voted. I
Speaker 4: do not seriously believe that anyone really voted for such
Speaker 4: high parents on other countries. People may, as he did
Speaker 4: talk about it during the campaign to his credit on that,
Speaker 4: but I really don't think that this is much of
Speaker 4: a huge point that people ended up voting on. So
Speaker 4: these massive swings are just detrimental to the stability of
Speaker 4: our country.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there are checks and balances and we need them,
Speaker 3: and this will this definitely will decide. It is a
Speaker 3: huge case before the court. He is a calmran with
Speaker 3: the young voices. Thanks again, Kyle, great stuff, appreciate it.
Speaker 4: Thank you very much for having me cool.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Canada just announcing they're gonna cut tariffs on Chinese
Speaker 3: electric vehicles, so it kind of cuts America out a
Speaker 3: little bit. A little bit anyway, and Trump's as we
Speaker 3: wait for the court to decide the thing. I think,
Speaker 3: as we started this conversation back in November, if I'm
Speaker 3: not mistaken, he threatened tariffs on eight NATO allies unless
Speaker 3: we get a deal over Greenland, and so it goes.
Speaker 3: Got to get a news update down this a MLK
Speaker 3: day back with that topic actually and why it means
Speaker 3: a little less this year here in Cincinnati, or maybe
Speaker 3: a lot less anyway, explain next seven hundred ww here
Speaker 3: we go and it's Martin Luther King Holiday twenty twenty six,
Speaker 3: and a cold one at that. A seal for the
Speaker 3: folks they're marching out there today in front of the
Speaker 3: Freedom Center. It can be cold. The double glove, double hat,
Speaker 3: double knit kind of day. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. What else is going on?
Speaker 3: I kind of mentioned that in the tea's here about
Speaker 3: today being a little bit hollow in Cincinnati and maybe
Speaker 3: maybe nationally as well, because you look at what doctor
Speaker 3: Martin Luther King believed and what he did and how
Speaker 3: he suffered himself. Kind Of I wouldn't say quietly because
Speaker 3: you know, we've seen a lot of footage, heard a
Speaker 3: lot of stories. But I wind on whind it because
Speaker 3: I mean, let's start nashally here for a second. In
Speaker 3: the protests that are happening in Minnesota, and the Department
Speaker 3: of Justice, by the way, said they're not going to
Speaker 3: pursue a criminal civil rights investigation into the killing of
Speaker 3: Rene good by Ice in Minneapolis, because there's no basis
Speaker 3: for criminal rights investigation, like you know what. Maybe not,
Speaker 3: but I think I think it's optics too. I think
Speaker 3: you got to do this and make it look, you know,
Speaker 3: at least look like you're investigating this thing. It's gonna
Speaker 3: take some time. You just kind of let it, you know,
Speaker 3: even if you're not doing it, just say you are.
Speaker 3: But all that's going to do is make people more angry,
Speaker 3: which I guess I don't know that's in the exercise.
Speaker 3: I think of what the administration wants people pissed off
Speaker 3: all the time. Well, it's working, that's for sure. Seems
Speaker 3: like you just go, yeah, we'll take a look at it,
Speaker 3: and then really not do anything. It seems like i'd
Speaker 3: be the more common sense, pr cut thing kind of do.
Speaker 3: But you know, we should probably should be looking at
Speaker 3: this thing based on what occurred. Nonetheless, I point this
Speaker 3: out because you know, today being the King Day, the
Speaker 3: King Day holiday is you know, Martin Luther King suffered immeasurably.
Speaker 3: People have tried to silence him well in his entire life.
Speaker 3: He was in jail at thirty to rest in jail
Speaker 3: thirty times, and he used the downtime to further his cause.
Speaker 3: You know, a letter from Birmingham Jail, et cetera, et cetera.
Speaker 3: And today you look at the eight point one million
Speaker 3: dollars settlement in Cincinnati with the protesters here for during
Speaker 3: the Rodney King protests. You know, they're assuing the government
Speaker 3: of going after been getting settlement money because they didn't
Speaker 3: they forgot to bring their medication with them. And just
Speaker 3: I hear that, go, Yeah, he had dougs and fire
Speaker 3: hoses and beatings and everything else. And you know he
Speaker 3: really suffered for what he believed in. For sure, there's
Speaker 3: no question why. That's why it's a national holiday, which
Speaker 3: was overdue.
Speaker 2: But this is the today.
Speaker 3: You go, yeah, I didn't have a Yeah it was
Speaker 3: really it was kind of hot today, a little thirsty.
Speaker 3: They didn't give me a bottle of enough bottles of
Speaker 3: water in time or something like like, I don't know it.
Speaker 3: You look at what happened in the sixties and protests
Speaker 3: to today sawing an old man going out the kids
Speaker 3: protesters today, what do they know. I do bring this
Speaker 3: up in all seriousness though, because to me today I
Speaker 3: don't get some feedback from this, but it feels a
Speaker 3: little bit hollow to me here locally, and that is
Speaker 3: simply because a lot of the individuals and groups for
Speaker 3: that matter, that were out or will be out that
Speaker 3: are protesting not protesting, that aren't marching today. I was
Speaker 3: thinking of Minneapolis again, my apologies on marching today. People
Speaker 3: march for doctor King's legacy, et cetera, et cetera. And
Speaker 3: I kept, hell, think what happened in Cincinnati this summer
Speaker 3: where you had this guy who was attacked, white guy
Speaker 3: who was attacked by a number, and they say that
Speaker 3: it's you know, all the the entire mob that was
Speaker 3: down there was all black and beating on No. It
Speaker 3: was like six individuals, right, and everyone else tried to
Speaker 3: get the guy out of there. So it was certainly
Speaker 3: not you know, the entire crowd. But I guess what
Speaker 3: bothers me about this is, you know, the groups that
Speaker 3: are out there that are leading the march today for
Speaker 3: doctor King, we're the ones that's saying, you know, there's
Speaker 3: no there's no justice, there's no peace. Scottie Johnson said,
Speaker 3: there's something in the chamber if there's no justice that
Speaker 3: all these racist forces led to what happened in backing
Speaker 3: up this white guy who got the crap beat on them,
Speaker 3: and initially, you know, we saw that and said, wow,
Speaker 3: this guy started something. And of course, much like we
Speaker 3: saw with Chris Seille back back in the day with
Speaker 3: the young man, the high school kid, Nick Sandman, the
Speaker 3: initial reaction was, wow, he did this. And of course,
Speaker 3: you know when you back up and the context is that, now,
Speaker 3: that's not really what happened, because the prosecutor's office said,
Speaker 3: this is actually what occurred here. It was they were
Speaker 3: targeted in a at a VIP and a club. They
Speaker 3: left there and they were being yell and eventually everything
Speaker 3: escalated their threatned. People started pushing and shoving them, and
Speaker 3: the guy turned on and slapped the dude. And is
Speaker 3: that self defense or is that assault?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: I suppose it could be assault. But yeah, we had
Speaker 3: some of the individuals, somebody groups in NAACP and the
Speaker 3: rest coming out and downplaying this and saying no, no, no, no, again,
Speaker 3: we have a wonderful example here of more white privilege
Speaker 3: and more white racism. When it turns out it was
Speaker 3: it was not that, and it looks that way even clearly.
Speaker 3: And what makes me believe this is even more true
Speaker 3: now than it was a summers the fact that where's
Speaker 3: the legs on the story?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 3: I know, Alex, the guy who's beat up is going
Speaker 3: to have his day in courtsun that's coming up. But
Speaker 3: you know, if this is the other way around, and
Speaker 3: there was the narrative that was started here is actually true,
Speaker 3: there'll probably be more protest and anger over this thing,
Speaker 3: because wait a minute, you're just ignoring this, you're sweeping
Speaker 3: on the rug. But because it looks like the victim
Speaker 3: they're truvic than the skins of the white guy, that
Speaker 3: store hasn't legs anymore. And that's why I think today
Speaker 3: that the march is downtown are somewhat hollow in my opinion,
Speaker 3: because of that. It's like, yeah, okay, we know racism
Speaker 3: is alive and well out there, but it's not always
Speaker 3: just white people who are racist. And if you can't
Speaker 3: admit that, then what is the point of marching for?
Speaker 4: What?
Speaker 3: Doctor King believed in that that all men, all women,
Speaker 3: all children deserve an opportunity to see at the table equally.
Speaker 3: So if you just turn a blind eye to that, okay,
Speaker 3: so why are you marching today? Well, of course, all
Speaker 3: the grievances that we have, and that's all well and good,
Speaker 3: but again, doctor King's legacy when he believed in if
Speaker 3: you you know, even some of the most basic things
Speaker 3: we all remember from Doctor King and the I Have
Speaker 3: a Dream speech was about that. It's just say I
Speaker 3: just want I just want to be treated like everybody else. Well,
Speaker 3: how can you say that on the one side of
Speaker 3: your mouth and then be silent about what occurred in
Speaker 3: Cincinnati the summer? My two cents anyway, Yeah, someone else say,
Speaker 3: saw I was reading this today. I don't know if
Speaker 3: I forgot this because I you know, the older you get,
Speaker 3: the more you like history. You know, you're a kid
Speaker 3: in school, you don't give a damn about it. And
Speaker 3: now it's like, I just find it fascinating because a
Speaker 3: lot of history does repeat itself. As I have lived
Speaker 3: long enough to go, wow, this is this is something
Speaker 3: that's happened before. I kin'd got a rabbit hole. I
Speaker 3: got like a free I don't know how many weeks
Speaker 3: subscription on the newspapers dot com. So there's you know,
Speaker 3: there's Cincinnati Choir and all these papers from the you know,
Speaker 3: nineteen hundreds and early stuff. I don't go back too
Speaker 3: far because it's like reading Shakespeare. It's like, what are
Speaker 3: they saying? There's to wait, too many words here, and
Speaker 3: I don't know what all these words mean. You're red
Speaker 3: an end of those old things, or like you know,
Speaker 3: the eighteen hundreds, eighteen seventies, like, Okay, it's interesting, but
Speaker 3: I'm not quite sure. It's too for most it's too much,
Speaker 3: way too many words. Yeah, but you had the time
Speaker 3: back in the day to do that. You had time
Speaker 3: to be more articulate, more where you use all the
Speaker 3: words because you had time to look them up.
Speaker 2: Right, what else you gonna do?
Speaker 3: Got about a good eight hours a day light now
Speaker 3: four hours of daylight this time of year, I'm making.
Speaker 3: But what's funny about it, it is looking back at history.
Speaker 3: You go, wow, that's a lot of the things that happened,
Speaker 3: you know, fifty sixty seven years ago, it's true today.
Speaker 3: And then you see some little things that wind up
Speaker 3: being bigger dealing with thought, and that's that's kind of
Speaker 3: just the way history is. So started reading some of
Speaker 3: the stuff and I saw this about his Now, of course,
Speaker 3: you know about the nineteen sixty eight assassination that brought
Speaker 3: an end to his personal crusade. But a woman named
Speaker 3: Isola Wade Curry where I think Wade Wade or where
Speaker 3: Andy Way name is Isola Curry. Anyway, he was at
Speaker 3: a Parlem bookstore in fifty eight, so ten years before
Speaker 3: his assassination. That he was signing copies of a book
Speaker 3: in Harlem, I believe, and she came up to get
Speaker 3: her book signed and instead pulled out a letter opener
Speaker 3: and stabbed him in the chest. And you know, had
Speaker 3: had he moved a little bit or you know, turned
Speaker 3: away or something, it missed his A order by literally
Speaker 3: tenth of an inch, eighth of an inch, something like that.
Speaker 3: And so anyway was why he had stuck in his chest.
Speaker 3: He had have surgery rushed in and had he moved
Speaker 3: in any certain way shape or farman Back in fifty eight,
Speaker 3: we didn't know as much about medicine today, but had
Speaker 3: even sneezed, they said he probably would have ruptured his
Speaker 3: A order at that point, it would have been fatal.
Speaker 3: She miss Curry, was a forty two ye old black
Speaker 3: woman of all things, and she was again what we
Speaker 3: talk about today right mental health. She was having paranoid
Speaker 3: delusions that were focused on king, and they institutionalized her
Speaker 3: and she died a few a number of years ago.
Speaker 3: But I thought it was interesting. You know, you hear
Speaker 3: about what happened in sixty eight, but he was this close,
Speaker 3: I mean literally an eyelash away from dying at the
Speaker 3: hands of a deranged individual. Book signing in Harlem back
Speaker 3: ten years before he passed away and everything. Of course,
Speaker 3: you know they wrote and did in that up until
Speaker 3: sixty eight. Could you imagine had she been successful in
Speaker 3: that would have been meant for civil rights if at all,
Speaker 3: for sure. So anyway, something to think about, something to
Speaker 3: think about on this MLK day. So the folks out there,
Speaker 3: hopefully they're they're bundled up, got enough handwarmers, and such
Speaker 3: a little bit. Something else I saw here too, as
Speaker 3: a fan of eating, and who is not a fan
Speaker 3: of eating these days, the price of beef is going
Speaker 3: up yet again, and we're are in a meat crisis.
Speaker 3: You know, we're blessed here in Cincinnati. If you think
Speaker 3: about it, how many good, if not great steakhouses we have,
Speaker 3: And there's almost too many, because instantly you go Cincinnatio,
Speaker 3: how you think are rubies? But Tony's is right there
Speaker 3: with them. There's Marble, there's you can go on and
Speaker 3: on right in countless places, maybe not even small chains
Speaker 3: for that matter. Capitol Grill, all these places do a
Speaker 3: really really good steak, and you wonder how many of
Speaker 3: these things are gonna go away. You know, we saw
Speaker 3: Morton's close downtown. I think the death now for that
Speaker 3: one is the fact that Ruby opened up right next
Speaker 3: to him, and that I was, okay, I mean over there.
Speaker 3: I think we're there once and like gets to Chicago
Speaker 3: institution for sure, Morton's, Morton's, the Ruby's is Chicago, and
Speaker 3: they tried it. But here, for god, had a good, real,
Speaker 3: really good long run. It was just you know, kind
Speaker 3: of second floor kind of vibe to it. It was fine.
Speaker 3: But you know, once Rubies opened this thing up on
Speaker 3: Fountain Square, that's that. But uh, you know, you're starting
Speaker 3: to see like three four, five hundred dollars dinner tabs
Speaker 3: now at some of these lavish places. And you know,
Speaker 3: restaurant restaurants have razor thin margins already, Wholesale beat prices
Speaker 3: since COVID have gone up seventy percent, and so you
Speaker 3: think about the food, You think about the labor, the
Speaker 3: rant utilities, insurance, all that stuff. I mean, how much
Speaker 3: profit are you making per steak? To the point now
Speaker 3: you go in a steakhouse, and nice steakhouse for that matter,
Speaker 3: and you know the core of a good steakhouse has
Speaker 3: always been the ribbi. Right, you get yourself a ribbi.
Speaker 3: And when you see market prices on ribb what's the
Speaker 3: cost of a ribbi? It's market price, Holy crab. I
Speaker 3: think the cost have gone up like fifty percent, maybe
Speaker 3: a third to fifty percent in some cases. And so
Speaker 3: I think those people who want us eating less cows
Speaker 3: and less cows of course means less cow flatulence, which
Speaker 3: is destroying our world. Allegedly, you're gonna see more and
Speaker 3: more people shot away from beef. I know, I eat
Speaker 3: a lot less beef than I did just a couple
Speaker 3: of years ago. And I didn't really eat all that
Speaker 3: much anyway, you know, I was like a couple maybe
Speaker 3: once twice a week. And now it's probably even more rare,
Speaker 3: no pun intended, than that, simply because the cost of
Speaker 3: it is you look at it and go wow, I
Speaker 3: think about making you know, some pot roast. You're down
Speaker 3: like forty bucks or a pot roast, I mean, parers
Speaker 3: be cheap. Now, it's like, holy crap, that's not long ago.
Speaker 3: That's what I'd be paying for. I don't know, a
Speaker 3: New York strip and a New York strip forget it.
Speaker 3: So more chicken, I guess, more chicken thighs, more chicken breast,
Speaker 3: I guess. And if that's better for the atmosphere or not,
Speaker 3: I'd have to ask your local environment. It's not quite
Speaker 3: sure if more chickens are better than a couple less cows.
Speaker 2: But I don't know.
Speaker 3: It's more of a treat kind of thing now, kind
Speaker 3: of It's like a steak is not turning in the lobster,
Speaker 3: but that way, Oh you're gonna have lobster. That's like
Speaker 3: an anniversary dinner kind of thing. It's gonna be the
Speaker 3: same with steak. Used to be just go, oh, I'm
Speaker 3: at Kroger, get me a steak, and right on the grill.
Speaker 3: Just eat a little less red meat, I guess. Anyway,
Speaker 3: coming up later on in the show. This morning, we
Speaker 3: just had some NFL football action, actually breaking football news
Speaker 3: with my Bills. Sean McDermott, head coach of the Buffalo Bills,
Speaker 3: has been fired. This I wouldn't say this is a
Speaker 3: head scratcher. I think what's head scratching is you look
Speaker 3: at the three coaches out of the four in the
Speaker 3: AFC North, all have been fired.
Speaker 2: Now in the.
Speaker 3: AFC East, Bill's head coach, Sean McDermott has been fired
Speaker 3: because he's appeared in the postseason eight times in his tenure,
Speaker 3: which pretty good, I mean, what eight o nine, But
Speaker 3: it's not good enough because you can't make it to
Speaker 3: the EFC Championship Game but only once in those eight appearances.
Speaker 3: And the goal is to win a Super Bowl with
Speaker 3: the talent you have. That's true any team, that's especially
Speaker 3: true here in Cincinnati. And yet, and yet Zach Taylor
Speaker 3: continues to be head coach in Cincinnati and not saying
Speaker 3: at all that's like Sean McDermott and any other head
Speaker 3: coach it's been fired. It's you know, it's the coach
Speaker 3: for sure, but a lot of it has to do
Speaker 3: with what's happening behind the scenes and talent and you know,
Speaker 3: the draft and also off seats and acquisitions and the like.
Speaker 3: And you know, we're just happy to let Zach Tayler
Speaker 3: continue doing Zach Taylor kind of stuff. Can you get
Speaker 3: you back to the Super Bowl as a question, and
Speaker 3: you know you've been there once. Okay, great, you made
Speaker 3: it the super Bowl, but it's the league is always
Speaker 3: what have you done for me lately?
Speaker 2: Now?
Speaker 3: I think Sean mcdery, You imagine Sean mcguy. I think
Speaker 3: if you're a Steeler fan, you probably want that guy
Speaker 3: because of his connections to you know, to the area.
Speaker 3: Not only but he's that you know, blue collar rouss
Speaker 3: belt kind of thing. He his acted work great in
Speaker 3: Pittsburgh for sure, many in Baltimore for that matter. But
Speaker 3: I could totally see that happening, and I think if
Speaker 3: we're Bendals fan, you're probably excited about the opportunity to
Speaker 3: see because if he can can win a game of
Speaker 3: the postseason, at least Tom win a Super Bowl ring.
Speaker 3: He may say that a lot to do with his predecessor,
Speaker 3: of course, and maybe riding the fumes of that, but
Speaker 3: you know, guys, still got a ring.
Speaker 2: We'll see what happens.
Speaker 3: Anyway, he is out in Buffalo, another head go coaching
Speaker 3: carousel continues to revolve. We'll find out if this is
Speaker 3: the move or not in a year or so. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you're just kind of wasting generational talent. But I look
Speaker 3: at this and go, Okay, well it's Josh Allen that
Speaker 3: much different than Joe Burrow. Yeah, teams that I want
Speaker 3: to win championships have no problem getting rid of the
Speaker 3: head coach and then rolling the dice and trying to
Speaker 3: find somebody new. Hell that worked out for New England
Speaker 3: one season and out with Jared Mayo, and now you
Speaker 3: got Mike Rabel and you look at Tennessee and go,
Speaker 3: what the hell are you guys thinking? Maybe doing that
Speaker 3: in Buffalo before long, who knows, I don't know, but hello,
Speaker 3: game this weekend. Speak of the Bills. They beat themselves
Speaker 3: with the turnovers, and I think that, yeah, he should
Speaker 3: have been a catch with Brandon Cooks. But you know,
Speaker 3: I got everything else that leads up to that point.
Speaker 3: This is probably why Sean mcermmock got Feeting fired because
Speaker 3: of that call. They got fired because well, the play
Speaker 3: on the field and everything else, and maybe some missed
Speaker 3: opportunities there they did not take advantage of. And as
Speaker 3: you look through this too, because New England now with
Speaker 3: you know C. J. Straut Is, he doesn't look good
Speaker 3: at all in Houston, proving that offense wins championships, not defenses.
Speaker 3: I guess maybe for me the pick of the letter
Speaker 3: right now with Seattle absolutely motor boating and steam rolling
Speaker 3: and whatever other metaphor you can use. Took care of
Speaker 3: San Francisco, though you look at Frisco and want to
Speaker 3: you know, they're just do for a rebuild behind brock Perty.
Speaker 3: Everyone's heard and they're just older. So that window felt
Speaker 3: like it closed yesterday.
Speaker 2: For sure.
Speaker 3: It actually slammed. Seattle rolled them what forty they put
Speaker 3: up forty one on them? I think forty one six
Speaker 3: to the final. But Sam Darnold seems like he's a
Speaker 3: real deal anyway, and I thought the RAM Chicago game
Speaker 3: is really damn good game as well. I'm not sure
Speaker 3: about Kayelo Williams, though Matthew Stafford even struggled aster. Most
Speaker 3: of the good quarterbacks actually struggle a little bit yesterday
Speaker 3: outside of Sam Darnold.
Speaker 2: So we'll see.
Speaker 3: It feels like Seattle's a foregone conclusion of the Super
Speaker 3: Bowl in your winner there. Whether it's whether they face
Speaker 3: I don't know. Denver or New England will find out.
Speaker 3: But Denver's in a world of her too because bo
Speaker 3: Nicks breaks his ankle on the second last play before
Speaker 3: the game winning field goal, my guy. Now you got
Speaker 3: to go to Jared Stidham, the backup. But Stidham, as
Speaker 3: I recall, is actually pretty good and pretty good backup
Speaker 3: that hasn't going to play too much. But he's got
Speaker 3: a week to get ready and never know, don't have
Speaker 3: much New England's not that much tape on them. Plus
Speaker 3: they're traveling to Denver, so we'll find out. But I
Speaker 3: think if it goes a courting Hoyle, I think, you know,
Speaker 3: New England walks out and goes to an AFC Championship game,
Speaker 3: just like everyone was hoping, because you know the Casey
Speaker 3: eras of Wow, great, we'll get some new blood in there. Nope,
Speaker 3: now we've got New England again. Great New England or Casey.
Speaker 3: That's what you get out of the AFC. Right there,
Speaker 3: that's what you get. We got a news update coming
Speaker 3: up in just a few minutes. We'll find out what's
Speaker 3: going on this Martin Luther King Day twenty twenty six.
Speaker 2: Not a lot.
Speaker 3: I know that the front end of I don't want
Speaker 3: to ruin Brian's lead story. Heres has to do with Hamburger's.
Speaker 3: You may have speaking of beef, may it may be
Speaker 3: hard to get a Hamburger and Mason today.
Speaker 2: That's a tease, is.
Speaker 5: What that is.
Speaker 3: That's a tease on the way. Ashley Vance is here
Speaker 3: to talk about the legacy of Elon Musk. We are,
Speaker 3: what a quarterway through this century, and if I were
Speaker 3: betting man right now, I'd probably put you know, seventy
Speaker 3: four years left in the century, but I would I'd
Speaker 3: probably put on I think Elon Musk at the adder
Speaker 3: near the top list, despite you know, all the baggage
Speaker 3: with Doge and I think you know, seventy four years. Hell,
Speaker 3: in five years, people are going to forget about all
Speaker 3: that nonsense and see him for what he really is.
Speaker 3: I mean, he is certainly cutting edge and tip of
Speaker 3: the spear when it comes to innovation and science, not
Speaker 3: only just with what he did with Tesla and essentially
Speaker 3: single handedly revolutionizing the automobile industry, but also i'd throw
Speaker 3: that in, you know, Twitter yet to be remained and
Speaker 3: you had to be decided. But the other thing too,
Speaker 3: is with SpaceX, which is an absolute game changer. You're
Speaker 3: lunching the say, it's not just putting you know, privately
Speaker 3: launching spacecraft and he's not the only one doing it,
Speaker 3: but the idea. We're putting satellites up there in order
Speaker 3: to initiate the future of our communication. And we have
Speaker 3: a lot more to do. But even now we've got satellite.
Speaker 3: You know, your cell phone's using a satellite like t mobiles.
Speaker 3: All those ads with Billy Bob Thornton are about, hey,
Speaker 3: we got a satellite. Now we can do that, and
Speaker 3: it's more of an SOS thing I think in some cases,
Speaker 3: but pretty soon that's how our celf service is going
Speaker 3: to work. I would think it's on between that and towers,
Speaker 3: because you know, you don't always have a line of
Speaker 3: site with a satellite, but that changes Wi Fi and
Speaker 3: everything else. So anyway, Ashley advances on that limit. Juliettershare
Speaker 3: drops by, We'll do mental health Monday today at the
Speaker 3: ten thirty and so much more on the home of
Speaker 3: the best Bengals coverage soon to be the home of
Speaker 3: the Reds seven hundred WLWD, Cincinnati. You want to be in.
Speaker 3: We's got a quote here on this MLKDA twenty twenty
Speaker 3: six on seven hundred WLW. If you're to think of
Speaker 3: a person of this center, MLK is on the last century,
Speaker 3: but a person of this center now granted we've got.
Speaker 3: We're a quarter of the way through, just over a
Speaker 3: quarter the way through, right, So another seventy four years
Speaker 3: we'll look back. Who is the person of the center.
Speaker 3: I'll throw a name in early on. An early favorite
Speaker 3: here would be Elon Musk. Now, set away all the
Speaker 3: dough stuff. But here's a guy who comes on, very
Speaker 3: brilliant man, develops a electric vehicle that reshapes the auto
Speaker 3: industry for sure, and says, hey, we don't have to charge,
Speaker 3: we'll put up our own charging stations.
Speaker 2: Cool, we did that.
Speaker 3: Then he go on and there's other things too, but
Speaker 3: SpaceX not the big one. He's launching his own satellites
Speaker 3: on the regular and comes up with starlink and satellite communication.
Speaker 2: That's going to be the future.
Speaker 3: The idea of your you know, Wi Fi just being
Speaker 3: in a room somewhere is gonna it's gonna be a
Speaker 3: satellite phones already headed that way as well. It's all
Speaker 3: Elon Musk's doing. And so when you talk about the
Speaker 3: person of the century in another seventy five, seventy four years,
Speaker 3: will it be Elon Musk?
Speaker 2: Good question. He's doing all right, he's doing our on that.
Speaker 3: Ashley Vance, who writes about this kind of a sort
Speaker 3: of bio about Elon Musk is Ashley Vance, and I
Speaker 3: think you'd agree he's probably doing okay.
Speaker 5: Huh, he's doing all right, doing all right.
Speaker 2: He's doing all right, He's doing all right.
Speaker 5: He's at a big run here the last twenty years.
Speaker 5: It's hard hard to think of another figure who cuts
Speaker 5: across so many different industries.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and everybody knows the name. But then no, it
Speaker 3: seems like a growing number of people hate him because
Speaker 3: what he's doing with Twitter. But it's interesting where that
Speaker 3: platform goes too. But let's focus on the on the
Speaker 3: space element here. And I think this is fascinating because
Speaker 3: in the next decade, we're going to launch in the
Speaker 3: upwards of another one hundred thousands. We've got like one
Speaker 3: hundred thousand satellites orbiting your We just keep launching satellites.
Speaker 3: At some point, you think we're going to run out
Speaker 3: of real estate there, But what's what's that really?
Speaker 2: What's the future look like? You say, Okay, we got satellites,
Speaker 2: so what does that mean?
Speaker 3: It means now we're starting to create this I don't know,
Speaker 3: sphere above the world that's actually a real estate market.
Speaker 2: Isn't it.
Speaker 5: Yeah. I mean in my in my new book, I
Speaker 5: call it a computing shell that we're building around the Earth.
Speaker 5: You talk about one hundred thousand satellites, I don't think
Speaker 5: most people, probably I don't realize we only had about
Speaker 5: two thousand, five hundred satellites going around the Earth just
Speaker 5: a couple of years ago. And that number is already doubled.
Speaker 5: And the one hundred thousand figure is probably gonna happen
Speaker 5: in this next decade. And so we have all these companies,
Speaker 5: really startups. I mean, space has been taken away from
Speaker 5: the governments that dominated this for so long, and this
Speaker 5: is a capitalist exercise now and they're building the next
Speaker 5: layer of our computing infrastructure right over our heads.
Speaker 3: That's amazing to me because, yeah, what five thousand satellites
Speaker 3: and we're in that business too, we kind of I
Speaker 3: don't know the details of it, but you know there's
Speaker 3: tracking their son outs, all this crazy stuff that has
Speaker 3: to do with our business, which is which is pretty old.
Speaker 3: I look at the satellite think go, this is a
Speaker 3: game changer, because you're putting so many up there. I
Speaker 3: guess the big question would be, wait, mane, we got
Speaker 3: five fou how are these things not running into each other.
Speaker 3: If you have five and you take it to one
Speaker 3: hundred thousand, are we a capacity and what are you
Speaker 3: gonna have. You can have like traffic cops and lower
Speaker 3: level orbit to make sure these things are running into
Speaker 3: each other.
Speaker 5: This is I mean, it's a real issue. There is
Speaker 5: you know, for excuse the bad Ton, there's a lot
Speaker 5: of space in space, so there is room room for
Speaker 5: these things. But without question, we're heading this new era
Speaker 5: where it's going to be so different that yes, we
Speaker 5: hope that you can manage this. There's this thing called
Speaker 5: the Kessler syndrome that people can can hop on the
Speaker 5: internet and check out, and it's this idea that you
Speaker 5: have a satellite that runs into something and it creates
Speaker 5: this this kind of cascading you know, debris that just
Speaker 5: gets worse and worse over time. But there are already
Speaker 5: startups that are are tracking all of this stuff and
Speaker 5: they are playing exactly that role you talked about. So
Speaker 5: like the air traffic controllers of all these machines.
Speaker 3: Yeah, can you can adjust the orbit on these things.
Speaker 3: That's not a problem now when they you know, if
Speaker 3: they the computer on board running, the computer.
Speaker 2: Itself starts to go a little whacky.
Speaker 3: Maybe you got some problems area renegade saddle, as you said,
Speaker 3: could wipe out a domino effect, and now you've got
Speaker 3: some real problems right there. But all right, so we
Speaker 3: build a huge infrastructure. What does that mean is that
Speaker 3: is that where we would get our I don't know.
Speaker 3: Wi Fi was just what we call it. Now we
Speaker 3: call something different.
Speaker 2: But where does it go a little bit?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 5: Right now, there's two major buckets that these satellites are.
Speaker 5: The jobs these satellites are already doing. One of them,
Speaker 5: there's a company in my book called Planet Labs, which
Speaker 5: is kind of amazing. They've put up hundreds of imaging satellites.
Speaker 5: So these satellites take pictures of the Earth, every spot
Speaker 5: on the Earth, all the time, every day. Not even
Speaker 5: the US, the CIA, China, Russia have this capability. And
Speaker 5: then the other major bucket is what you were talking about.
Speaker 5: Is this. We call it like the space Internet, and
Speaker 5: it's sending high speed internet down from space. Half the
Speaker 5: world still can't be reached by fiber optic cables and
Speaker 5: so you have this for the first time. I think
Speaker 5: of it as like there's always on high speed Internet,
Speaker 5: kind of washing over the earth and creating you know,
Speaker 5: this internet fabric we've kind of been talking about for decades.
Speaker 3: Right, And I think that's an important component of this too,
Speaker 3: because even in America, if you're in rural Ohio, Indiana,
Speaker 3: or Kentucky, it's awfully hard to get Internet service. And
Speaker 3: we take it for granted because we live in an
Speaker 3: urban area. You're in San Francisco, same thing. It's you know,
Speaker 3: a Wi Fi everywhere I go. It's no problem. Cincinnati,
Speaker 3: I start to get out a little bit, it's a
Speaker 3: different story entirely. This would literally get all of those
Speaker 3: people who are left off the information super highway back
Speaker 3: on it. I think of people like my in laws,
Speaker 3: for example, live in rural Ohio, and it's a constant
Speaker 3: fight for them to try and get enough enough speed
Speaker 3: to download stuff for example. This had change all that,
Speaker 3: and now you've got even more people online and on
Speaker 3: social media and probably trying to scam me out of
Speaker 3: you know, twenty dollars or you know, it's.
Speaker 2: Just gonna get work.
Speaker 3: Everything that we hate about the internet, love about the Internet,
Speaker 3: it's going to get multiplied a millionfold.
Speaker 2: This happens.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean there's there's pros and co to be sure.
Speaker 5: I mean, I mean, the data is pretty clear that
Speaker 5: once you get access to high speed internet, your education
Speaker 5: levels go up, your your economic success goes up as
Speaker 5: a country. But like this era of even if you
Speaker 5: just wanted to climb a mountain and get away from
Speaker 5: the world for a while, that that that's going away.
Speaker 5: And it's kind of and people should realize this is
Speaker 5: not This is not like a Mars colony. We're talking
Speaker 5: about this far off in the future. This is this
Speaker 5: is actually happening right as we speak.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's the exciting part about this. This low
Speaker 3: lying low earth orbit, I think is what it's called, right,
Speaker 3: and you have these satellites that are floating around and
Speaker 3: every square into the globe is covered with that. So
Speaker 3: is that where our cell service goes? Now you're like, ooh,
Speaker 3: your cell's cutting out, you know, to three bars. You're
Speaker 3: not gonna have that problem in the future, are you?
Speaker 5: No? No, I mean this is why you know I
Speaker 5: titled this book when the Heavens Went on Sale. I mean,
Speaker 5: you're talking about lower orbits. My point is that we
Speaker 5: are building this economy, you know, right right right above
Speaker 5: our heads. And this was like an area, a territory
Speaker 5: that was controlled by just a handful of governments for
Speaker 5: like seventy years, and now all of a sudden, we're
Speaker 5: going to see a ton of services, Kelly, We're going
Speaker 5: to have this communication across the planet. We're going to
Speaker 5: understand our planets in new ways by sort of peering
Speaker 5: at it from above. So you know, I think there
Speaker 5: are these two sides to this. I think that it's
Speaker 5: at least for the moment's optimistic story.
Speaker 3: Ashley Vance is the author of Elon Musk Definitive Bio.
Speaker 3: Now is a new book out called When the Heavens
Speaker 3: Went for Sale, And we're talking about the future and
Speaker 3: what we're looking at, and that is in the upwards
Speaker 3: of we have five thousand satellites now, we're going to
Speaker 3: look at one hundred thousand satellites fairly soon, and that's
Speaker 3: going to change our dynamic when it comes to being
Speaker 3: able to access information and put disinformation out there too,
Speaker 3: because that's the good and the bad. One of the
Speaker 3: other elements too, is you're telling me all these satellites
Speaker 3: are when you look at some like Google Earth, right
Speaker 3: and you go, oh, Google Earth, I'm gonna look at
Speaker 3: my house everyone checks their heads, kind of like in
Speaker 3: the old old days. If you remember when there's a
Speaker 3: phone books came out, you look to see if your
Speaker 3: name's in the phone book.
Speaker 2: Same thing.
Speaker 3: Now you looked at Oh, le'mon, look at my place
Speaker 3: where I live, and you look and go, oh, that's cool. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I built that deck like five years ago. Are we
Speaker 3: going to start being able to look at our planet
Speaker 3: and ourselves in real time?
Speaker 5: Yeah? I mean this is happening already. The stuff on
Speaker 5: Google Earth can be a little dated at times. With
Speaker 5: that that era is quickly ending. So this company called
Speaker 5: Planet Labs, they take about sixteen pictures of every spot
Speaker 5: on Earth every day. We'll watch kind of the sum
Speaker 5: total of human activity. It's not like espionage where you
Speaker 5: can see somebody's face, but you can you can watch
Speaker 5: oil tankers going all across the world. You can see
Speaker 5: when North Korea launches up a missile. You can even
Speaker 5: they usually saddle light to look at crops in the
Speaker 5: field and see how much chlorophyllm is in the plants
Speaker 5: and get the best yield and no one to harvest.
Speaker 5: And so we are kind of like at this era
Speaker 5: and people might be uncomfortable, but you know you're being
Speaker 5: everything's being watched all the time. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but you know I said, okay, I won't be surveillance.
Speaker 3: But heck, I recall even back like in the old
Speaker 3: old days, you know, reading history and stuff like that.
Speaker 3: Now you're older, you get more interested in history. I
Speaker 3: don't know why that is. I didn't care less about
Speaker 3: it when I was in eighth grade. Now all of
Speaker 3: a sudden, it's like, you know, I'm I'm reading everything
Speaker 3: I can. And so the old satellites even you could
Speaker 3: see a license plate from outer space and that was
Speaker 3: fifty years sixty years ago. But you tell me, it's
Speaker 3: not about the surveillance. They but the technology is infinitely better.
Speaker 3: Now it's only going to get better. Isn't it really
Speaker 3: going to become de facto spyware?
Speaker 5: You know, the satellites you're talking about are these giant
Speaker 5: military grade satellites, And yes, they can see all kinds
Speaker 5: of stuff. The trick is that they're even the US
Speaker 5: only has a limited number of those satellites, and so
Speaker 5: they can they can see spots, but only when they're
Speaker 5: looking at something really specific. They're not sort of watching
Speaker 5: the broad swath of what's going on the smaller satellites
Speaker 5: as it makes people feel any better. The South Coast
Speaker 5: can only be so big on those and the resolution
Speaker 5: only gets so good, and they've had trouble just because
Speaker 5: of physics kind of advancing them beyond that point. But
Speaker 5: you raise, you know, you raise an interesting question as
Speaker 5: to where this could head.
Speaker 3: So Ashley Vance the huge question here to me, and
Speaker 3: really what drives the Internet because it's all about this,
Speaker 3: is like, how are these satellites going to influence porn?
Speaker 5: Well, you'll be able to get on the mountaintop, okay,
Speaker 5: because it's always down to that.
Speaker 3: It's like, wow, the technology or research and science saying
Speaker 3: what about porn?
Speaker 2: And because it all boils out to that at the
Speaker 2: end of the day.
Speaker 3: So no matter what the new format is, somehow they're like, oh,
Speaker 3: three D glasses, we got it, VHS tape, betamac, we
Speaker 3: got ith satellites more porn.
Speaker 5: Driver's a big driver.
Speaker 2: What drives all these pornography? Drives the satellites?
Speaker 3: Relative to Rocket Lab, I think that's a company you're
Speaker 3: mentioning too. When we talk about national security, we talk
Speaker 3: about the has and have not that's gonna you know,
Speaker 3: military obviously is huge, but the ability for nations and
Speaker 3: nation states to launch their own rockets to put their
Speaker 3: hardware in space. Is that like a new frontier? And
Speaker 3: how does something like you know, for example, the US
Speaker 3: Space Force fit into that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's one of my favorite stories from the new book.
Speaker 5: Rocket Lab is a company in New Zealand that was
Speaker 5: founded by this guy named Peter Beck. And this is
Speaker 5: the guy. You know, these rockets are essentially the equivalent
Speaker 5: of ICBMs and missiles. And this is a guy he
Speaker 5: didn't even go to college. He just did sort of
Speaker 5: rocket tree in his backyard and his shed, and and
Speaker 5: he's a brilliant engineer, but he's made he's made rockets
Speaker 5: that are successful. Rocket Lab is really the second coming
Speaker 5: of SpaceX. And so I argue in the book, you know,
Speaker 5: this is a new era where the materials have got
Speaker 5: good enough, computing's got good enough that any country with
Speaker 5: someone who's smart enough, driven enough, and access to this
Speaker 5: is We're not talking about nation state capital or billionaire capital.
Speaker 5: We're talking about a few million dollars can make a
Speaker 5: go with this now. And so it is a new
Speaker 5: era where we're going to see a lot of new
Speaker 5: space sharing nations.
Speaker 3: Well, satellites seem like they're complimentary to one another, right
Speaker 3: outside of the military ones. Are we going to have
Speaker 3: that competition in space now between different countries?
Speaker 2: Like, what's it mean?
Speaker 1: It mean?
Speaker 3: It's one thing when the United States and NATO allies
Speaker 3: launch our satellites, would mean something different when either North
Speaker 3: Korea or Russia or China launches a satellite.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, And this is already shaken out, you know.
Speaker 5: So that the company with the most satellites in space,
Speaker 5: way beyond any government is SpaceX with their space Internet
Speaker 5: system called Starlak. But Amazon wants to build the same thing,
Speaker 5: so they've got an order for about fourteen thousand new satellite.
Speaker 5: There's a company called one Web in Europe that's doing
Speaker 5: the same thing. China is not happy that SpaceX has
Speaker 5: already built the space Internet. They want to do that
Speaker 5: as well. And so we're entering this time of both
Speaker 5: companies and countries wanting to do this to kind of
Speaker 5: seize this territory. And you know, I think we're in
Speaker 5: for a very interesting next ten to twenty years as
Speaker 5: all this shit.
Speaker 2: It's a new space race, right absolutely.
Speaker 5: I mean this is unlike anything we've seen before. I
Speaker 5: mean you had, you really had five governments that were
Speaker 5: moving very slow and control all this stuff for seventy years.
Speaker 5: And over the past three years you've had about two
Speaker 5: hundred and fifty billion dollars in venture capital put into
Speaker 5: commercial space.
Speaker 3: It's incredible. It's happening right under our very eyes. We
Speaker 3: can't see them, but the stuff's happening all the time.
Speaker 3: Look at the night sky and look at all the satellite
Speaker 3: junk that's flying around up there.
Speaker 2: It's amazing. One thing, you.
Speaker 5: Can see it, Yeah you can.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, one thing I don't know if it's in
Speaker 2: the book, and this may be outside the.
Speaker 3: Scope of it, but I thought, okay, well, we've got
Speaker 3: this sub orbital, the satellites one hundred thousand satellites, and
Speaker 3: the shelf as you call it, of information. Just below
Speaker 3: that though between there and the ground is going to
Speaker 3: be drones because those are obviously hot and heavy, right
Speaker 3: new doing a lot of stuff.
Speaker 2: How does that does it relate to one another?
Speaker 5: Well, the you know just always on Internet that the
Speaker 5: satellites are setting down, I think are going to be
Speaker 5: the fabric that sort of keeps all these drones connected,
Speaker 5: that keep things like self driving cars connected. This communication
Speaker 5: network between all these new objects that we're creating, and
Speaker 5: then you know, people should know there's also I know,
Speaker 5: we had the Chinese fibulo, and there's actually there's companies
Speaker 5: working in the United States on all kinds of new
Speaker 5: high houssude balloon technology and even yeah, airships back. I mean,
Speaker 5: it's a really fascinating time in aerospace.
Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, Ashley Vance on the show on seven
Speaker 3: hundred WLW he writes about all this stuff.
Speaker 2: It's absolutely fascinating.
Speaker 3: If you're geeky like me and love this stuff, you
Speaker 3: want to check out when the heavens went for sale,
Speaker 3: the misfits and geniuses racing to put space within reach.
Speaker 3: It is definitely the future. Ashley Vance, thanks for joining
Speaker 3: the show.
Speaker 4: All the best, Thanks so much.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Jules is.
Speaker 3: Here on this Martin Luther King Day. And if you
Speaker 3: heard this happen before, So your adult child, you're adult
Speaker 3: child now tells you things about their childhood or maybe
Speaker 3: things that happened that you may have forgotten about don't
Speaker 3: match what money and your memories don't line up obviously,
Speaker 3: and maybe they're describing, you know, problems, hurt, loneliness, fear
Speaker 3: from moments that you probably have forgotten about or barely remember,
Speaker 3: or maybe you remember things completely differently because you're coming
Speaker 3: at it from a different perspective, and so you want
Speaker 3: to correct them, and that would be the bad move.
Speaker 3: It's validation versus agreement. And Julie is here to talk
Speaker 3: about that this morning on Mental Health Money. Julie, good morning.
Speaker 2: How are you.
Speaker 6: Hey, I'm good. How are you?
Speaker 2: I'm doing fine. This probably happens a lot.
Speaker 6: It happens a lot, sometimes in really big ways and
Speaker 6: sometimes just in little ways. Like you know, your kid
Speaker 6: will say, hey, do you remember when this thing happened?
Speaker 6: And you're like, yeah, that's not how I remember it
Speaker 6: at all. And sometimes it can be a much bigger
Speaker 6: conversation if your adult child has some significant problems or
Speaker 6: challenges with how they were raised. So it can happen
Speaker 6: in ways big and small. But as parents, it can
Speaker 6: really be hard for us to hear that we did
Speaker 6: anything wrong or that anything we did had a negative
Speaker 6: impact on our kids, because all we want is what's
Speaker 6: best for our children, right, and so that can be
Speaker 6: a hard.
Speaker 3: Thing to hear, of course, And of course a younger
Speaker 3: version of yourself knows a lot less in the current version,
Speaker 3: and you're also a lot more calm, especially from a
Speaker 3: guy's perspective. And there are things that you probably remember
Speaker 3: and cringe at that they have forgotten, but other things
Speaker 3: that may have happened You thought it was pretty good
Speaker 3: and it turns out it was traumatic for them. It
Speaker 3: doesn't mean you're right in there wrong or vice versa correct.
Speaker 6: It just means that you know, keeping in mind, you
Speaker 6: were the adult at the time and they were the child,
Speaker 6: So they obviously have a very different perspective of the
Speaker 6: same situation than you do. But also it's easy to
Speaker 6: wonder how they got to where they are and to
Speaker 6: want to be curious about that and to ask questions
Speaker 6: about how they ended up getting that perspective or that
Speaker 6: thinking or that feeling from that situation that felt very
Speaker 6: different to you.
Speaker 3: All right, So if you're a parent, let's start with us,
Speaker 3: how can you distinguish between validating their emotional experience what
Speaker 3: they see and accepting responsibility for harm that they don't
Speaker 3: believe they caused.
Speaker 6: Well, so validating and accepting responsibility are not anywhere near
Speaker 6: the same thing. So validating is saying, yeah, if it
Speaker 6: went down the way you say it did, I can
Speaker 6: see why that was hard for you, or I'm really
Speaker 6: sorry that that experience that I saw very differently was
Speaker 6: so difficult for you. A really great example is a
Speaker 6: vacation that parents think is terrific and kids feel they'd
Speaker 6: rather be home with their friends. They feel like their
Speaker 6: schedule was disrupted, They've got anxiety about what's coming next.
Speaker 6: They're processing a lot of novelty in their little brains.
Speaker 6: Parents think it's fabulous, they know what's going on. The
Speaker 6: kids are kind of along for the ride, and so
Speaker 6: the parents may think it was a wonderful trip, and
Speaker 6: the kids may feel it was very destabilizing. That doesn't
Speaker 6: mean it was a bad trip. That just means that
Speaker 6: they were different people, at different life stages and had
Speaker 6: different experiences of it. So to be able to say,
Speaker 6: I'm so sorry that what we thought was going to
Speaker 6: be a really great thing for you turned out not
Speaker 6: to be a really great thing for you. It's not
Speaker 6: saying you were wrong as a parent. It's just recognizing
Speaker 6: that your best intentions fell short for that child at
Speaker 6: that moment in time.
Speaker 3: Isn't that why Christmas Vacation still hits? Because that's ultimately
Speaker 3: what that movie is, right Chevy Chase wants to have
Speaker 3: everything perfect for heal for their kids. Are these great
Speaker 3: experiences and it always is a complete nightmare. That's every parent.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it really can be. I had a client call
Speaker 6: me from Disney World. This was years and years ago.
Speaker 6: He was there with his wife and his children, and
Speaker 6: he said, Okay, Julie di Disney is not the happiest
Speaker 6: place on earth. She said, the kids are miserable. He said,
Speaker 6: the kids are miserable. They don't want to be here.
Speaker 6: It's too loud, it's too hot, it's too crowded. We're
Speaker 6: coming home. Disney is not the happiest place on earth.
Speaker 6: So they planned this wonderful trip for their children, and
Speaker 6: the kids were just not happy, and they came home early.
Speaker 6: That's an indication of a parent understanding a kid's experience
Speaker 6: in real time. But I could easily see later on
Speaker 6: those kids coming back and saying, you know that trip
Speaker 6: to Disney that you took us on, man, that was
Speaker 6: a nightmare. That was really hard for me, and the
Speaker 6: parent being really ascended by that or hurt by that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because you spent all it's the time effort of money,
Speaker 3: because you have this great family vacation in mind, or
Speaker 3: whatever it is the event. It could be the holidays,
Speaker 3: as I mentioned to that, and it never is up
Speaker 3: to you. So you're upset and mad about it from
Speaker 3: a different reason, they are exactly exactly.
Speaker 6: And so it's important as a parent, if your child
Speaker 6: is coming to you with this kind of conversation, to
Speaker 6: try really hard not to be defensive, to try really
Speaker 6: hard not to explain your perspective or to explain the
Speaker 6: situation or to justify your choices, but just to listen
Speaker 6: to what they're telling you and get really curious about
Speaker 6: it and say, tell me more, I want to understand
Speaker 6: what that was like for you, And try to be
Speaker 6: as non defensive as possible, and stop if you find
Speaker 6: yourself getting really worked up and wanting to argue back
Speaker 6: with them, because then you're in an argument versus understanding conversation.
Speaker 6: And that's really what we want as parents, is to
Speaker 6: be able to understand where our kids are and at
Speaker 6: some point offer them our perspective. Okay, I hear you. Now,
Speaker 6: I want you to understand what it was like for me.
Speaker 6: Are you open to hearing that? And offer them that
Speaker 6: perspective at some point, but not right away. Not while
Speaker 6: they're talking.
Speaker 3: Okay, Julie hanntersh you here a licensed mental health therapist
Speaker 3: in Cincinnati. That's Mental Health Monday in the Scott Sloan
Speaker 3: Show on seven hundred WLWT. We're talking about a children
Speaker 3: when you get to this point, because everything you do
Speaker 3: as a young parent, you think, Okay, I'm trying to
Speaker 3: do the best I can, and I think kids know that.
Speaker 3: But when your adult child spits back to you, things
Speaker 3: about their childhood and their version of events are different
Speaker 3: than yours, and things that you thought were inocuous seem
Speaker 3: to be harmful to them, and vice versa. You can
Speaker 3: have that conversation. If I really want to screw that
Speaker 3: conversation up with my adult kids, what would I do?
Speaker 6: You'd get really defensive. You'd argue back, and you would
Speaker 6: compare their experience to their siblings experience, or your brother
Speaker 6: and your sister thought it was great, so what's wrong
Speaker 6: with you? You would invalidate what they're saying. If you
Speaker 6: really want to screw it up, you would invalidate what
Speaker 6: they're saying, and you would make them out to be
Speaker 6: the villain or the scapegoat, that they were the problem,
Speaker 6: that they caused all the difficulty that it was because
Speaker 6: of them that it went that way, and everybody else
Speaker 6: was faultless and blameless. So if you really wanted to
Speaker 6: screw it up, that's what you'd do, gotcha.
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, It's like, No, what I feel matter is
Speaker 3: I'm going to I was like, Wow, it's interesting you
Speaker 3: would say that because I didn't see that from my perspective.
Speaker 2: But I hear what you're saying exactly.
Speaker 6: And it's also important to really take a moment to
Speaker 6: reflect on you're looking at this from a distance, as
Speaker 6: they are. You are now in the present and you're
Speaker 6: looking back. But if you can put yourself back in
Speaker 6: that place, were you really as focused and present and
Speaker 6: mindful and careful and thoughtful as you think you were?
Speaker 6: Like so an example, right out of grad school, I
Speaker 6: worked with cancer patients in their families, and I had
Speaker 6: young kids at home, and I was working with life
Speaker 6: threatening illness and death at work, and I was really
Speaker 6: struggling to, like, you know, leave work and come home
Speaker 6: and be a fully present, engaged, happy, bubbly, fun mom.
Speaker 6: And so when one of my boys later in life said,
Speaker 6: you know, that was a really tough time for me,
Speaker 6: because you weren't around, and you weren't like you were there,
Speaker 6: but you weren't there. I had to reflect and say, honestly,
Speaker 6: you know, you're right, it probably wasn't. I was brand
Speaker 6: new doing this kind of work. I was working with
Speaker 6: really hard stuff, and when I came home, I probably
Speaker 6: wasn't there to the degree that I wanted to be
Speaker 6: or thought I was. I can totally see that. But
Speaker 6: that took some reflection on my part to realize that.
Speaker 3: How much of this is kicking yourself as a parent,
Speaker 3: Julian that it's like, Wow, you think of the times
Speaker 3: you could have done more, been there, or done things,
Speaker 3: and you think, hey, there's a reason why my kids
Speaker 3: And it could be social, it could be relationship, it
Speaker 3: could be job, could be substance, if it could be
Speaker 3: all these things. We tend to blame ourselves. It's like, man,
Speaker 3: I was terrible as a parent because my kid isn't
Speaker 3: successful at this, this or this.
Speaker 6: Well. I think that sometimes we parents take too much
Speaker 6: of the blame and not enough of the credit for
Speaker 6: how our kids turn out. That's not true for everybody.
Speaker 6: I know parents who take all the credit for how
Speaker 6: their kids turned out. But I think so many of
Speaker 6: us say our kids' successes are theirs and their failures
Speaker 6: are shortcomings, or challenges are hours. And I think they're
Speaker 6: partly hours, and they're partly theirs, and I think they're
Speaker 6: success us as they're partly ours and partly theirs. And
Speaker 6: I think it's important to realize that that's true for
Speaker 6: our parents as well. Like we are who we are
Speaker 6: because of how we were raised, positively and negatively, our
Speaker 6: kids are who they are because of how they were raised.
Speaker 6: And your best intentions as a parent can still be
Speaker 6: the wrong thing for one or more of your children.
Speaker 6: You can't foresee every possible follow on consequence of any
Speaker 6: decision you make. That's not to let you off the
Speaker 6: hook for making bad decisions. That's just to say, no
Speaker 6: matter how well you think you've figured it all out
Speaker 6: and thought it all through, things can happen that you
Speaker 6: didn't plan on that turn out to be not as
Speaker 6: good as you'd hoped. So it's about taking the right
Speaker 6: amount of responsibility for how your children turn out, positively
Speaker 6: or negatively, and giving them responsibility for how they turn
Speaker 6: out as well.
Speaker 3: And part of this is you taking a kind of
Speaker 3: them taking come out of those zone. So if you're
Speaker 3: an adult child and you're having this conversation or why
Speaker 3: have this conversation, I guess the question would be is
Speaker 3: it too late? I mean, if you know your parents
Speaker 3: are in their nineties and you're in your sixties, it
Speaker 3: said too late to talk about this kind of stuff,
Speaker 3: or you probably won't, I'm guessing because the longer it
Speaker 3: goes more uncomfortable, it's not only going to feel but
Speaker 3: nobody's going to remember anything.
Speaker 5: Well.
Speaker 6: That may be true, and is it necessary or is
Speaker 6: it useful? That depends. So if what you're talking about
Speaker 6: is something that has impacted who you are now and
Speaker 6: you'd like your parent to understand you better, like I
Speaker 6: am this way in part because of these things that
Speaker 6: happened in my childhood when you were bringing me up,
Speaker 6: and you'd like them to understand you better. That's a
Speaker 6: valid reason if you feel like you just need to
Speaker 6: say these things. Whether your parent remembers or believes it
Speaker 6: or understands it, or whether they're going to be able
Speaker 6: to make any changes going forward or not, it's important
Speaker 6: just for you to say it to them. Hey, I
Speaker 6: am this way because of these positive things, but these
Speaker 6: challenges I have. I think they're because of this. If
Speaker 6: that's something that you need to do for yourself, that
Speaker 6: makes sense if you find that what happened is getting
Speaker 6: in the way of your relationship with them, and you'd
Speaker 6: like to have a better relationship, Clearing the air, getting
Speaker 6: some understanding, helping them know you better, and understanding maybe
Speaker 6: more about how they saw things at that period of
Speaker 6: time can really improve your relationship with at any age,
Speaker 6: whether it's ninety or whether it's sixty five. It can
Speaker 6: really help improve the relationship with your parents at any age.
Speaker 6: One of my boys and I had just such a
Speaker 6: conversation a few years ago, and things have been much
Speaker 6: better between us since.
Speaker 3: Do you say, hey, got to do some homework and
Speaker 3: think of the ways I've screwed you up, or you
Speaker 3: just have like an organic conversation, make a list, but
Speaker 3: on not more than three.
Speaker 6: No more than three, of all the ways I've screwed you.
Speaker 4: Yeah, right.
Speaker 6: Well, I think if we parents are honest, we can
Speaker 6: look back and see things that we wish we'd done differently,
Speaker 6: wish we had done that we didn't, or wish we
Speaker 6: hadn't done that we did. And I think that if
Speaker 6: we can take our own inventory of how we succeeded
Speaker 6: and where we fell short as a parent. Then when
Speaker 6: our kid, and for many of us, this will happen
Speaker 6: when our adult kid comes to us and says, hey,
Speaker 6: I want to talk to you about something, and I'll
Speaker 6: tell you often it happens when they themselves have children
Speaker 6: and become parents. Then we've already done sort of an
Speaker 6: inventory of that, and we have some sense of our
Speaker 6: own of where we feel we exceeded expectations and where
Speaker 6: we feel we fell short, So it shouldn't be a
Speaker 6: huge shock to the system.
Speaker 2: What else am I missing about this generational conversation?
Speaker 6: Jalie Well, I think that the important things to remember
Speaker 6: are that children do this most of the time because
Speaker 6: they want the relationship to be better and they feel
Speaker 6: misunderstood or not known by their parent, or they feel
Speaker 6: like they don't understand why mom our dads showed up
Speaker 6: the way they did at that point in time, and
Speaker 6: they want the relationship to be better. And I think
Speaker 6: when as parents people come to us, our kids come
Speaker 6: to us and seemingly criticize our parenting, we feel like
Speaker 6: it's because they want they don't want things to be better.
Speaker 6: We feel it's negative when in fact, it's trying usually
Speaker 6: trying to reach a level of understanding, to improve the relationship,
Speaker 6: to clear the air, to declutter things, and to get
Speaker 6: some understanding between parent and child about what happened. And
Speaker 6: so if we go into it with that mindset of
Speaker 6: openness and curiosity and lack of judgment, I think that
Speaker 6: can be really helpful.
Speaker 2: Is it almost all.
Speaker 3: The cases unless there's some major event or major trauma
Speaker 3: when the parents dies or something massive happens. In most cases,
Speaker 3: is it more like things that you have forgotten about?
Speaker 3: Are they forgotten about or they had a different prayer?
Speaker 3: It was bigger for them than wes re you and
Speaker 3: vice versa.
Speaker 6: Well, I think it's often bigger for them than it
Speaker 6: is for us because their children and everything is bigger
Speaker 6: for children than it is for adults, right because they
Speaker 6: don't have the experience or the perspective or the level
Speaker 6: of understanding of the world. Their world is what we
Speaker 6: created it to be as parents when they're very young,
Speaker 6: and so small things seemingly small things to us can
Speaker 6: be really big to them. But also the same thing
Speaker 6: can read differently to different children. So one of my sons,
Speaker 6: if I would say to him, I'm really disappointed in
Speaker 6: that choice you made. It would devastate him. The other
Speaker 6: one would be like, thank you for offering your opinion, Julie,
Speaker 6: I appreciate, and it wouldn't matter to him at all, right,
Speaker 6: But for the one, it would devastate. If I said
Speaker 6: I'm really disappointed, that was like a knife to the heart.
Speaker 6: So different kids in the same situation can have different
Speaker 6: reactions and perspectives to things. Also just depending on the
Speaker 6: kind of person that they are and that they are becoming.
Speaker 6: So yes, it's that their kids, we're the adults, but
Speaker 6: also they're their own people. They're becoming their own people,
Speaker 6: and so things are going to hit them differently.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that makes that makes total sense. Should you
Speaker 3: prepare for this conversation ahead of time and say, hey,
Speaker 3: we're going to sit down and talk about all they
Speaker 3: say would just simply say, hey, you.
Speaker 2: Know what, how do you how do you even open
Speaker 2: the subject?
Speaker 5: Well?
Speaker 2: I think uh should open the subject mom and dad?
Speaker 2: Or are kids?
Speaker 5: Well?
Speaker 6: I think it could go either way. So I think
Speaker 6: if you know as a parent that there's some distance
Speaker 6: or disconnect between you and your adult child, you can
Speaker 6: say something like I would really like to understand why
Speaker 6: we feel so disconnected. I'd really like to understand from
Speaker 6: your perspective why there's so much distance here, because I
Speaker 6: don't think it's coming from me. Maybe it is, but
Speaker 6: I don't think so, So i'd really like to understand that.
Speaker 6: But as if you're the kid, you can say, hey, listen,
Speaker 6: there are a few things about my childhood that I'm
Speaker 6: coming to understand differently or realizing or getting a different
Speaker 6: perspective on, and i'd really like to talk to you
Speaker 6: about them. Can we sit down and do that. It
Speaker 6: is best not to just blindside people and hijack them
Speaker 6: and start lobbing things at them when they're not expecting it,
Speaker 6: but setting up a time to sit down and talk,
Speaker 6: and then taking some time if you're the one being
Speaker 6: invited to the conversation, to really reflect on what my
Speaker 6: role was, what may be coming up, and how much
Speaker 6: responsibility does it make sense for me to take?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know how. And as a parent too,
Speaker 3: so that we always try to do it's best for
Speaker 3: our kids. It's hard not to internalize this and take
Speaker 3: each one of these things is like a major I
Speaker 3: guess in a front to how we raise them, because
Speaker 3: I'm sure they understand it was difficult and there's no
Speaker 3: roles for this, specially they have kids of their own.
Speaker 6: Sure, and when they have kids of their own, as
Speaker 6: I said, that's often a time when these conversations come
Speaker 6: up because they're understanding things differently. They're seeing a similar
Speaker 6: situation happen with their children that happened with them, and
Speaker 6: they're recognizing how they handle it and how they may
Speaker 6: have handled it similarly or differently to the way their
Speaker 6: parents handled it. And so they're seeing the juxtaposition of
Speaker 6: being a parent versus being a kid, and it adds
Speaker 6: new perspectives to their childhood. And yeah, it can be
Speaker 6: a very difficult thing to hear from your kid that
Speaker 6: things that you did didn't work well for them. And
Speaker 6: the hardest ones, frankly, I think are the ones that
Speaker 6: you thought you nailed and they're like no, no, no,
Speaker 6: that was really bad.
Speaker 2: I mean, I think, right, so.
Speaker 6: We can all look back and say, wow, I really
Speaker 6: screwed that one up. I did not do that well.
Speaker 6: And your kid says you did not do that well,
Speaker 6: and you can say, no, I know, I really didn't
Speaker 6: do that well. But the things you think you crushed
Speaker 6: and they're like Nope, that was an epic fail. Those
Speaker 6: are the hard ones because your perspectives really diverged there
Speaker 6: in a very big way.
Speaker 3: Well, instead of looking this like an exit interview, you
Speaker 3: probably should look at this as like, hey, you know what,
Speaker 3: you're an adult like, we're moving to a different phase
Speaker 3: of our relationship, and the way to move forward with
Speaker 3: it is having this conversation.
Speaker 6: Exactly and to understand how and why things happen the
Speaker 6: way they happen. Usually when kids have these conversations with
Speaker 6: their parents, they want to tell them their perspective, but
Speaker 6: then they also really want to hear what was going
Speaker 6: on for mom or dad at that point in time.
Speaker 6: Why did you choose this? Instead of that, I want
Speaker 6: to understand you better too, not just I want to
Speaker 6: load all unload all of this junk on you and
Speaker 6: then walk away. They're looking for some reconciliation, some understanding,
Speaker 6: some greater connection. That's usually why they're doing it, and
Speaker 6: so keeping that in mind can keep us as parents
Speaker 6: in the right headspace.
Speaker 4: All right.
Speaker 3: She's Julie hattersh here, a licensed mental health expert. Here
Speaker 3: on the Scotsland Show every Monday morning, It's Mental Health
Speaker 3: Monday with Julie, It is really informative. I think a
Speaker 3: lot of people listen and go, wow, I probably should
Speaker 3: have this conversation, or maybe if you're not all kid,
Speaker 3: it's like, it's never too late to do this. So yeah,
Speaker 3: you can always you can't fix or you can't I
Speaker 3: guess change what happened, but you can fix the way
Speaker 3: things are moving in the future. And some closure as well.
Speaker 3: All the best have a great appreciate you, thank you.
Speaker 3: How about some news We do that in three minutes
Speaker 3: here on seven hundred WW Cincinnati.
Speaker 5: You want to be in a.
Speaker 3: Hey, it's lonely on seven hunter w ALW. What a
Speaker 3: wonderful time to be alive. Then again, maybe it's not
Speaker 3: a wonderful time to be alive. You know, we have
Speaker 3: this era of communication that we're in riding. We get
Speaker 3: so much information from all sides at all times, half
Speaker 3: of it fake, other half of it real. You know
Speaker 3: who to believe at any one time. And we live
Speaker 3: in an atmosphere too. When you say something or post
Speaker 3: something now on social you open yourself up for a
Speaker 3: tax like we've never seen before. Whether you know, everyone's
Speaker 3: a title of theirn opinion but not their own facts. Right,
Speaker 3: and even just posting your opinion you can get broiled
Speaker 3: pretty good. So in that regard too, despite this wonderful
Speaker 3: avenue of communication, we have a paradox and that is
Speaker 3: a lot of people are afraid to voice their opinion
Speaker 3: because you're afraid people will reject you. And there's something
Speaker 3: that's driving this thing, and it's called the weaponization of loneliness.
Speaker 3: Absolutely fascinating. Stella Moribidos on the show to talk about
Speaker 3: it this morning on se on under WLW Scots Sold show.
Speaker 2: Stella, good morning, how are you?
Speaker 7: Good morning? Thank you, I'm fine. I hope you're doing
Speaker 7: well too.
Speaker 3: You know, someone could take that question just to me,
Speaker 3: asking how are you and you said I'm fine, and
Speaker 3: someone if you posted that on the I don't know,
Speaker 3: Twitter or the Gram or Facebook or whatever it might be,
Speaker 3: someone would attack you for saying I'm fine.
Speaker 2: And that's what you're.
Speaker 3: Talking about, right, is no matter what you say, there's
Speaker 3: someone out there lurking that's going to take those words,
Speaker 3: use it against you, or counter those claims and really
Speaker 3: try to ruin your day.
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's a crazy, upside down world we're living in
Speaker 7: right now. And thanks so much for having me on
Speaker 7: to talk about my book, The Weaponization of a Loneliness,
Speaker 7: because I believe that basically my thesis is that all
Speaker 7: of these crazy agendas that we are dealing with today
Speaker 7: that have turned into crazy policies is because of self censorship.
Speaker 7: And that self censorship happens when we're fearful of being
Speaker 7: ostracized for expressing what we really think or believe, or
Speaker 7: what we even see before eyes. And you know this,
Speaker 7: this fear is easily exploited and has been exploited for
Speaker 7: many decades. And you know, people are kind of like
Speaker 7: waking up and saying, how do things get crazy with
Speaker 7: all these different agendas, you know, the transgender thing, and
Speaker 7: you know, extreme environmentalism and all that. And I believe
Speaker 7: it's because we have for way too long shut up
Speaker 7: about what we believe, or even lie about what we
Speaker 7: believe a lot of people do that to avoid rejection
Speaker 7: or to get some kind of sense of status and acceptance.
Speaker 3: I was equated Stella to It's kind of like the
Speaker 3: Thompson's gazelles, right, and everyone it's a social thing. First
Speaker 3: of all, we're a tribal society, right, we need companionship
Speaker 3: and socialization.
Speaker 2: I get that whole thing.
Speaker 3: But the streaming that is now, it's like you're heard
Speaker 3: of Thompson's Gazelle's where you know, the line will pick
Speaker 3: off the weakest one, the one that's kind of floating
Speaker 3: away from the flock.
Speaker 2: And no one wants to be that thompson gazel.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 3: I want to you know, I may look at something,
Speaker 3: whatever ideology I subscribe to, right, and even though I think, uh,
Speaker 3: I you know a lot of it's starting to get
Speaker 3: wrong and it's it's misguided and it's erroneous. But I'm
Speaker 3: afraid to step out of that and go, yeah, I
Speaker 3: don't want to criticize part of my herd because I
Speaker 3: don't want to be that Thompson's gazelle that gets thrown
Speaker 3: out of the herd and eaten by the line.
Speaker 7: That's right. Yeah, it's you know, it's a very hardwired impulse, right,
Speaker 7: you know, to avoid being cast out or to avoid
Speaker 7: being the one that you know has made an example of.
Speaker 7: And but we have to stand back and understand that,
Speaker 7: you know, even as bystanders were not safe. If you know,
Speaker 7: if things get to a tipping point as they seem
Speaker 7: to have gotten today, you know, with you know, political
Speaker 7: correctness and the fear of speaking out and speaking you know,
Speaker 7: what we believe. So what happens when we keep when
Speaker 7: people keep shutting up about what they believe. Over time
Speaker 7: you get something that, uh.
Speaker 5: There's a model that Elizabeth Noel Newman.
Speaker 4: Brought up.
Speaker 7: Identified in a book she called the Spiral of Silence.
Speaker 7: And what happens is that there's this illusion of public
Speaker 7: opinion that's not really true. It's an illusion that's been
Speaker 7: built through the silence of people who are fearful of
Speaker 7: expressing what they really believe. And we've got to snap
Speaker 7: out of it. We've got to understand that free speech
Speaker 7: is use it or lose it. And when we keep
Speaker 7: re re you know, reflexively responding to these demonization campaigns,
Speaker 7: and that's how it's done by tyrants. They they have campaigns,
Speaker 7: usually with slogans. There's you know, there's one hundred different
Speaker 7: things that they say, you know, whether it's bigot or
Speaker 7: now it's like election denier or you know, primate change denier.
Speaker 7: You know, goes on an anti vaxxer, you name it,
Speaker 7: conspiracy theorists. People become reflexively fearful of being identified that way,
Speaker 7: and so they shut up, and that's very dangerous. It's
Speaker 7: a very very dangerous. Yeah, it's phenomenon that got us
Speaker 7: to where we are today, I believe.
Speaker 3: And now Stella Marbeter, do you think the reason why
Speaker 3: that is too? It seems like it's worse now than
Speaker 3: ever before, but that's always every generation, right, the world's ending.
Speaker 2: I don't understand what the nation is in danger.
Speaker 3: Democracy is going to fall, and you know that's I
Speaker 3: think that's just people who have been around the block
Speaker 3: don't understand the new movements that are going on because
Speaker 3: America is always in the state of flux.
Speaker 2: We can get to that one.
Speaker 3: But I look at what you just said and I
Speaker 3: couldn't agree more that. You know, it's the and I
Speaker 3: think the problem too, And see if you agree with
Speaker 3: this is because of things like social media's I pointed out,
Speaker 3: there's so many platforms and so many opinions on those
Speaker 3: platforms that I think most people, Okay, maybe I'll check
Speaker 3: my feed once in a while looking for you know,
Speaker 3: kittens playing pianos and funny videos of people guys getting
Speaker 3: hit the stones and stuff like that, Whereas a lot
Speaker 3: of the content out there and it's just so toxic
Speaker 3: and vitriolic that that I think people there's so much
Speaker 3: noise that people are starting to tune it out. A
Speaker 3: lot of people in the middle just like I don't
Speaker 3: I don't want to clutter my mind with all that stuff,
Speaker 3: and so what's left the extremes.
Speaker 7: Yeah, no, I think yeah, I think that, And that
Speaker 7: would be a very good thing if people started really
Speaker 7: tuning tuning that out, because the social media technological communications
Speaker 7: in general is what has really magnified all of this
Speaker 7: polarization and all of this uh uh separation or isolation.
Speaker 7: Of course, COVID fast tracks a lot of that by
Speaker 7: actually enforcing our isolation and basically forcing people to get
Speaker 7: on you know, get on their devices because they're you know,
Speaker 7: isolated and there the rest and all that. But I
Speaker 7: think you're right that as people can start to see
Speaker 7: through it, you know it, they will hopefully develop more
Speaker 7: face to face, one on one, you know, relationships, which
Speaker 7: is really what will save us. I think, I think
Speaker 7: that living a virtual life versus real life is kind
Speaker 7: of what got us here and what made us so
Speaker 7: successible to these dynamics that you know, where Tyrone's exploits are.
Speaker 7: Fear of being ostracized, that it. You know, when people
Speaker 7: are able to say what they believe, they could be
Speaker 7: pleasantly surprised that those who have shut up for so
Speaker 7: long will say, oh wow, you know, I thought it
Speaker 7: was all alone. And you know, and even if the
Speaker 7: person is you know, the you know, woke or whatever,
Speaker 7: you've watered down the stereotype of what they expect. You know,
Speaker 7: when you know, just somebody in daily life that that
Speaker 7: you encounter and you expressed what you believe, it will
Speaker 7: have a very healthy effect if if we start using
Speaker 7: our our you know, our constitutional right to free speech.
Speaker 3: Stella moribido with the weaponization along in this this morning
Speaker 3: on seven hundred w LW explaining how we got to
Speaker 3: this state right down the components and the great the
Speaker 3: visitness that we have in this world in America specifically Stella,
Speaker 3: how much did in the last four years did COVID
Speaker 3: have to do with this and being isolated there?
Speaker 7: Yes, oh yeah, yeah, being isolated uh and forced and
Speaker 7: but it wasn't just that. It was a lot of
Speaker 7: the hostilities that were cultivated, uh you know, sadly through
Speaker 7: our so called leaders uh, you know, with the whole
Speaker 7: all the mandates and everything. People would you be accused
Speaker 7: of being an anti vector or not allowed at the
Speaker 7: Thanksgiving table, and and it created a lot of un
Speaker 7: necessary and very damaging hostilities, you know, during COVID. But yeah,
Speaker 7: I think that people, you know, to a certain extent,
Speaker 7: people are waking up with you know, having had that
Speaker 7: extra time on their hands. And on the other hand,
Speaker 7: there are people with time on their hands, who are
Speaker 7: you know, pushing a lot of this or a lot
Speaker 7: of this exploitation that you know. Of course, we got
Speaker 7: here through almost one hundred years of something called you know,
Speaker 7: cultural Marxism, where almost one hundred years ago there were
Speaker 7: discussions about you know, doing that long march through the institutions.
Speaker 7: And of course, as you can see, most our institutions
Speaker 7: have been subverted over time, especially education, and because education
Speaker 7: was subverted, all the other institutions that require credential, whether
Speaker 7: it's law or you know, the courts or the legislatures
Speaker 7: or you know, medicine. I mean, you know, all of
Speaker 7: that is you know becoming corrupted as a result. So
Speaker 7: that that's kind of where we are. But so the
Speaker 7: main institutions that we have to protect and what I
Speaker 7: believe have always been the big prize of the solitarians
Speaker 7: are those institutions that protect us from the mass state.
Speaker 7: That would be family, faith, and community, I mean true community,
Speaker 7: friendship and and volunteerism and the local level that is
Speaker 7: so important to uh, you know, it all begins at
Speaker 7: the local level, the preservation of freedom. And so you know,
Speaker 7: when we if we can, we could take there's a
Speaker 7: lot we can take heart from in that. But we
Speaker 7: have to protect that private sphere of vice because that's
Speaker 7: where that's where our real power is. And you know,
Speaker 7: our relationships.
Speaker 3: Orbido on the show on seven hundred WLW weaponization a loneliness.
Speaker 3: So where's this going is? Is this gonna all come
Speaker 3: to a head? Does it continue to get worse where we.
Speaker 7: Well, I think that we can put a stop to
Speaker 7: it if we begin on the local level to you know,
Speaker 7: to in all of our relationships, to say what we
Speaker 7: really believe. And there's you know, those of us who
Speaker 7: have strong relationships to fall back on. I mean a
Speaker 7: lot of people don't, like you know, there's a lot
Speaker 7: of family brokenness that has affected youth and uh, you know,
Speaker 7: faith and community. But those of us who can fall
Speaker 7: back on those strong uh, you know, the sanctuaries of relationships,
Speaker 7: have to lead the way and have to start, uh,
Speaker 7: you know, speaking out about what we believe. Because as
Speaker 7: I said before, where is it leading West Brian? Uh,
Speaker 7: free speeches, use it or lose it, and uh, you know,
Speaker 7: it can lead. It definitely leads to tyranny if we
Speaker 7: if we stop using our rights, our constitutional, unalienable right
Speaker 7: to to speak freely about what we believe. That's what
Speaker 7: allows the real truth to to come out. And uh
Speaker 7: So anyway, that's that's that's what I would say. I
Speaker 7: mean in my books, the weaponization loneliness. I kind of
Speaker 7: trace the the history of these dynamics from the French
Speaker 7: Revolution on I, you know, and I look at the science,
Speaker 7: the conformity, you know, experiments of Solomon Asks and many others,
Speaker 7: uh and uh and the institutional subversion. But at the
Speaker 7: end of the day, it really falls on us as
Speaker 7: individuals too, you know, to learn to to speak out
Speaker 7: in the you know, despite all of this, uh, you know,
Speaker 7: all all the pressures, all the pressures too, you know,
Speaker 7: to exploit our fear of being isolated ostracized.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the new mccarthy'sm except it's it's more not
Speaker 3: only more global, but more encompassing than just McCarthy's as
Speaker 3: a small sliver of it right back in the fifties,
Speaker 3: because you know, we have the wolf culture. Now if
Speaker 3: you tweet or say anything mean that someone's going to
Speaker 3: tell you safe spaces and all a little nonsense. Then
Speaker 3: you have Twitter, so you know, well pre musk anyway,
Speaker 3: now we're going to go after what people are saying
Speaker 3: or you know, trying to fact check people's opinions and
Speaker 3: how far do you want to slice that apple to
Speaker 3: the point of absurdity. But you're right, you know, if
Speaker 3: you let people see and speak freely, even if it's
Speaker 3: erroneous or misguided, and then let public opinion debated and
Speaker 3: argue it and get some of the finer points out there,
Speaker 3: I think that success. When you try to shut down
Speaker 3: free speech even if you disagree with it, we're shredding
Speaker 3: the Constitution again. Stella more Abido's on the show this
Speaker 3: morning on seven hundred WW. It's called the weaponization of loneliness,
Speaker 3: Tyrant stoke our fear of isolation, the silence, divide and conquer.
Speaker 3: Absolutely fascinating and spot on.
Speaker 5: Thank you very much, you betch them.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know the discussion about TikTok bands, some countries
Speaker 3: banning social media stortain ages and the like. I think,
Speaker 3: you know, future generations are going to learn from this
Speaker 3: and go, Okay, we can't believe everything we see. Maybe
Speaker 3: we will become more grounded in a sense and become
Speaker 3: more suspect of things rather than being the sheeple that
Speaker 3: we are. And also knowing the fact that most of
Speaker 3: the stuff posting, a lot of the crazy stuff out
Speaker 3: there are bots. Anyways, and I've been real people.
Speaker 2: We got to get a news update in It's a
Speaker 2: Scott Sloan show.
Speaker 3: When or return. James Repene is here. We had football
Speaker 3: this weekend. What we have football? The AFC NFC championship
Speaker 3: games are set a lot of controversy rolving around my bills,
Speaker 3: but not just.
Speaker 2: There, but elsewhere too. The pair of the NFL is
Speaker 2: absolutely incredible. You couldn't script it any better, which makes
Speaker 2: people go, you know they script all this stuff right,
Speaker 2: speaking of controls on social media. Incredible.
Speaker 3: We'll set the stage next James Rapine from Bengals Talk
Speaker 3: dot Com and Lockdown Bengals.
Speaker 2: Just ahead.
Speaker 3: We'll also preview tonight's National Championship game as Indiana looks
Speaker 3: to make it a perfect season in Miami. Details coming
Speaker 3: up Scott's Loan show seven hundred W. Scott's Loan here
Speaker 3: on seven hundred WLW. The championships are set in the
Speaker 3: National Football League AFC. It's New England at Denver, and
Speaker 3: then Seattle will host the Rams on the NFC side
Speaker 3: and determine who is going to go to the Super Bowl.
Speaker 3: We also have the College Football National Championship game tonight
Speaker 3: and IU which everyone here is pulling for. I know
Speaker 3: I am against number ten Miami home game for them,
Speaker 3: but it feels destined that I you should win this thing.
Speaker 3: We'll get into that and more and just minutes here
Speaker 3: James Rapeen is standing by James of course with Bengals
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Speaker 2: James, good to have you back, brother. How are you?
Speaker 8: I'm great?
Speaker 5: Are you?
Speaker 2: I'm fine?
Speaker 3: Much rather be talking about the Bengals headed towards the
Speaker 3: AFC Championship again. But there's some lessons here. We'll get
Speaker 3: into that for our Bengals. Let's just start maybe talk
Speaker 3: a little bit about the four games over the weekend
Speaker 3: with den Well, all right, let's just pull the band
Speaker 3: aid off. My Bills got beat by Denver in overtime
Speaker 3: in a thriller thirty three thirty and the loss thirty
Speaker 3: three thirty. The final straw for ownership in Buffalo is
Speaker 3: Sean McDermott is no longer head coached, removed from duties
Speaker 3: as head coach of the Buffalo Bills. And I'm sure
Speaker 3: some are saying, well, the roughs cost him his job.
Speaker 3: And I'll preface this by saying, you know, when you
Speaker 3: commit as many turnovers as boneheaded plays, Josh Allen was
Speaker 3: very un Josh Allen like with a few of these plays.
Speaker 3: You had James Cook, who is the league's leading rusher
Speaker 3: but all the leagues leading fumbler as a running back.
Speaker 3: That though, those are problematic. But what everyone's talking about,
Speaker 3: of course, is the third and eleven from the Bills
Speaker 3: thirty six. Alan throws a deep ball to Brandon Cook's
Speaker 3: eighty five year old Brandon cooks it looks like he
Speaker 3: makes a catch, he falls the ground, there's contact and
Speaker 3: Jakwan McMillan, their cornerback, comes up with the ball, rips
Speaker 3: it out for the ant. Sean McDermott calls for a
Speaker 3: time out. They said, can you review the play, they
Speaker 3: said no, and I'll be damned if I'm not watching
Speaker 3: that in New England game and guess what happened, James,
Speaker 3: same damn play and they rolled it a catch for
Speaker 3: New England.
Speaker 5: Here we go.
Speaker 3: It makes it worse because it's New England. So give
Speaker 3: me analysis that is it overblown?
Speaker 2: Did they get it right?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 8: I think they did get it right. I think it's
Speaker 8: really close and when you slow it down, it's easy
Speaker 8: to look at it and be like, oh, well, clearly
Speaker 8: he had possession. Clearly he's down, like I've seen screen
Speaker 8: captures and all those things. But that's about it. What
Speaker 8: it was is the cornerback was pulling it away from
Speaker 8: the cook to earth. They were falling and pulled it
Speaker 8: away from Cooks and you're probably about a half skin
Speaker 8: away from it being a complete catch and saying they
Speaker 8: caught it at the same time or whatever and giving
Speaker 8: the tide of the offense. I actually do think they
Speaker 8: got it right, and and I totally get what you're saying,
Speaker 8: because yeah, they did have it. It was in the
Speaker 8: Rams game DeVante Adams over the middle and DeVante's going
Speaker 8: down and.
Speaker 2: That one tooland game as well. It's like it.
Speaker 3: And that's so NFL right that they're like, okay, but
Speaker 3: they took time, they looked at that stuff. That's you know,
Speaker 3: you can make a case, Okay, hey did he have it.
Speaker 3: I you know, I'm a Bills fan. I'm gonna say
Speaker 3: he made the catch and we got screwed because that
Speaker 3: pushes the narrative that it wasn't us, it was them
Speaker 3: and it's us against the world. I get that kind
Speaker 3: you know, every team has that attitude. But the fact
Speaker 3: that they didn't go okay, hold on, just let's take
Speaker 3: a beat here. It's it's over time. Let's just take
Speaker 3: a beat and look at this thing like they do.
Speaker 3: They didn't do that, and that's now what the unemployed
Speaker 3: Sean McDermott was saying.
Speaker 8: Sure, and they absolutely should have done that. To your point, Yeah,
Speaker 8: they absolutely should have reviewed it because that call, it's
Speaker 8: like any angy of those calls in overtime, it's going
Speaker 8: to decide the game. If that's rule they catch, the
Speaker 8: Bills are in the AFC Championship Game. Yeah, and the
Speaker 8: Bills are the ones that are going to New England
Speaker 8: now a divisional match up with a Super Bowl appearance
Speaker 8: on the line. So yeah, I think that's the part
Speaker 8: that would be the most frustrating to me, is if
Speaker 8: you're going to have to replay and you're going to
Speaker 8: have all these resources, you need to make sure that
Speaker 8: it's right. And I believe that they got it right,
Speaker 8: but you still want to check to make sure right.
Speaker 3: It's not like it's, you know, second last game of
Speaker 3: the season. It doesn't matter that that this means something.
Speaker 3: And I will say this, it's interesting. My brother and
Speaker 3: his wife went out to the game, went out to
Speaker 3: Denver for it, and he said after it's like so
Speaker 3: many Denver fans are sitting in bars and they're like, man,
Speaker 3: that was a catch. So even Denver fans are like, well,
Speaker 3: you guys got to thank for us, But you guys
Speaker 3: got kind of job there.
Speaker 2: If this story couldn't get more bizarre.
Speaker 3: In Denver Advancity the AFC title game, Bo Nicks breaks
Speaker 3: his ankle on the second or last play before the
Speaker 3: game winning field goal. So Jace Jared's did him. The
Speaker 3: backup has a week to get ready. That's unprecedented.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it's.
Speaker 5: How do you do that?
Speaker 8: It's either going to be a Disney movie for one way,
Speaker 8: or a Disney movie the other way, and it's you know,
Speaker 8: I I think it's one that is a local tide
Speaker 8: of this. And I wrote this yesterday that the Denver
Speaker 8: Broncos they believed in Jared Sidham and they paid him
Speaker 8: a two year, twelve million dollars deal. And so that
Speaker 8: doesn't mean that he's going to play well in the
Speaker 8: AFC Championship team against New England. But what it does
Speaker 8: mean is they they gave themselves an actual quality backup option,
Speaker 8: which you want to have, and you never know what
Speaker 8: could happen. And it's really unfortunate what happened. What happened
Speaker 8: at bot Nick h Really honestly, I thought, I thought
Speaker 8: Sean Payton has throwing the ball far too much. When
Speaker 8: you see the ball fifty times of boone, next run
Speaker 8: the ball a little bit more.
Speaker 4: They didn't.
Speaker 8: And uh yeah, So now how do you find your
Speaker 8: way to a super Bowl? You're four quarters away and
Speaker 8: you have Jared Sidham, So it's a it's a tough ask.
Speaker 8: On the other side if you're New England and you're like, hell, yeah,
Speaker 8: we have Jared Siddam, so we have to go up
Speaker 8: right right.
Speaker 3: And there is a much film on him yeah, are
Speaker 3: they going to scheme here? And that's also a home
Speaker 3: game for the Broncos too, Let's not lose that one.
Speaker 3: New England gets there to play the Broncos. By beating
Speaker 3: Houston twenty eight to sixteen, he could kind of feel
Speaker 3: this coming in Houston. Defense is unbelievable.
Speaker 2: But CJ.
Speaker 3: Stroud does not look like the CJ. Stroud of a
Speaker 3: couple of seasons. Go four picks and just didn't look
Speaker 3: He looked as bad as he did in Pittsburgh. I
Speaker 3: think didn't.
Speaker 8: Yeah he did, I mean worse I was. I don't
Speaker 8: know what's going on, Troy. It's been a few times
Speaker 8: on the broadcast mentioned he may have a hand injury.
Speaker 8: I don't know, man. I just awful, I mean awful
Speaker 8: quarterback back. I guess that's the one thing if you're Denver,
Speaker 8: Jared Stadham can't be worse than c J. Stroud. Yeah,
Speaker 8: so you have that as a floor. He's he was
Speaker 8: so promising as a rookie and I sink back to
Speaker 8: that game here that he had and that was kind
Speaker 8: of the beginning of the CJ. Stroud rookie experience where
Speaker 8: the Houston Decans gone to make the playoffs. That year
Speaker 8: they win a playoff game, and they won a playoff
Speaker 8: game in each of his first three seasons. But this
Speaker 8: year was obviously because of the defense last week in
Speaker 8: Pittsburgh and then this week. I don't know, because now
Speaker 8: they're going to decide whether or not to pay him
Speaker 8: like he's he's eligible for a contract extension. Can you
Speaker 8: imagine paying CJ. Shouts fifty million dollars per year after that?
Speaker 8: I don't think I could do it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3: You know, this air has been over for a while, James,
Speaker 3: and for those who are just kind of casual with it,
Speaker 3: it's you know, the Texans have a super Bowl caliber defense,
Speaker 3: no question, but it's offensive wins championships. If you don't
Speaker 3: have CJ. Stroudter quarterback that's capable, you ink in advance Seattle,
Speaker 3: speaking of which looks like the real deal. H the
Speaker 3: foregone conclusion is that they're the super Bowl champs this year.
Speaker 3: Forty one six. They put San Francisco out of their misery.
Speaker 3: It kind of looks that San Francisco as a team
Speaker 3: looked like Aaron Rodgers. This was like the last gasp, right,
Speaker 3: They're only put up six on the net they're rebuild
Speaker 3: mode behind brock Party.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it feels that way.
Speaker 8: You know, they had a lot of injuries, and you know,
Speaker 8: I thought that they had a chance going in the
Speaker 8: wild card round and then you go in and you
Speaker 8: lose George Kittle and that's just the next injury, and
Speaker 8: it's like they just they just don't have enough on all.
Speaker 8: You know, And you're right, you're right about offense winning championships.
Speaker 8: A lot of people listening probably disagree with that, maybe
Speaker 8: roll their eyes. It's exactly what happens in today's NFL.
Speaker 8: You have to have dudes around your quarterback and when
Speaker 8: they walk Kittle, I knew it would be enough hill
Speaker 8: climb and you flip it seattle Man. They didn't even that.
Speaker 8: They did that in Jackson Smith and Jigbuk didn't. It's
Speaker 8: not like he had a huge game. They leaned on
Speaker 8: the run game. Cam Donald only threw it seventeen times.
Speaker 8: He didn't have to do a lot, and so you
Speaker 8: got Kenneth Walker running for three touchdowns. Cooper cup led
Speaker 8: them and receiving. Guess what, Cooper Put's not going to
Speaker 8: leave them in receiving this week. They're gonna be able
Speaker 8: to lean on that passing game that they need to
Speaker 8: and so yeah, there, their defense is really good. They're
Speaker 8: well coached. Obviously they had Mike McDonald and what was
Speaker 8: the Ravens defensive coordinator before going to Seattle. It's a really,
Speaker 8: really tough matchup for.
Speaker 3: The Don't see a lot of flaws here with Seattle,
Speaker 3: right because you know defense, as we mentioned, I think
Speaker 3: it went forty four points to six teams at face
Speaker 3: over the last seven games. At force some turnovers like crazy,
Speaker 3: and you know, the Seahawks have an eight game winning
Speaker 3: streak round. It's just the hot hand and they're going
Speaker 3: to ride this on the back of Sam Donold, who
Speaker 3: looks like the real deal.
Speaker 2: They are going to face.
Speaker 3: Once again against these It's the parody and also the
Speaker 3: script to the NFL. They started this run when they
Speaker 3: overcame a sixteen point fourth quarter deficit to win an
Speaker 3: ot in the RAM against the Rams in Week sixteen,
Speaker 3: and they have them in the NFC Championship game and
Speaker 3: they dispatch Caleb Williams, and Caleb Williams a little like
Speaker 3: mister do mister don't. He makes an incredible pass on
Speaker 3: fourth and four. It's like a fifty yard pass to
Speaker 3: get fourteen yards because he backpedals much hills, hits colek
Speaker 3: Met in the corner. People are going nuts in Chicago,
Speaker 3: converts a fourth down and OT and then throws his
Speaker 3: third pick of the game to give up the game
Speaker 3: winning field.
Speaker 2: Oh my god.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's.
Speaker 4: He was so good.
Speaker 2: And then he looked so bad. Yeah, and and that.
Speaker 8: That throw that decision. It's it's tough because it with
Speaker 8: DJ Moore, was he supposed to keep running. I haven't
Speaker 8: seen the post game comments.
Speaker 4: I turned it on. It was obviously.
Speaker 8: To me, Yeah, it felt that way too. And what
Speaker 8: I would say is I'm just so impressed with Caleb
Speaker 8: Williams and how he how he responded. I mean that
Speaker 8: fourth down, I have no idea how he made that play.
Speaker 8: I just I was like, all right, well, this is
Speaker 8: how it's going to end. Like the moment he started
Speaker 8: running backwards, I was like, oh my god, Like, there's
Speaker 8: just no chance. And there are some quarterbacks on the
Speaker 8: planet that can make those kinds of plays. And so
Speaker 8: for them to win as many close games as they
Speaker 8: did and continue to do what they did down the
Speaker 8: stretch of these games, I think you can really build
Speaker 8: on that as the heck of a year for New Bears.
Speaker 8: I think there are a lot of scenarios where after
Speaker 8: that player they win.
Speaker 3: Caleb Williams to me, just doesn't look like I don't know,
Speaker 3: it seems like he's regressing here to some degree, because yeah,
Speaker 3: you talk about the heroics there, but three of his
Speaker 3: picks they turned into ten points. That's plenty when you
Speaker 3: win twenty to seventeen. Matthew Stafford, who is one of
Speaker 3: the MVP favorites, if not the favorite right now, he
Speaker 3: struggled for the middle part of that game.
Speaker 2: By the way he did.
Speaker 8: He did. That's that's what was a bit odd, I
Speaker 8: would say to me, is how much of a defensive flood.
Speaker 4: Test that was?
Speaker 8: And I think it's a reminder that these playoff games
Speaker 8: sometimes they are ugly. You know, you could be a
Speaker 8: great quarterback and turn them all over like Josh Allen
Speaker 8: did or Cayleb Williams did, And I'm not saying they're
Speaker 8: in the same category as Matt Stafford did. And he
Speaker 8: got away with one or two almost interceptions as well.
Speaker 8: And uh, I mean usually comes down to a big
Speaker 8: play like that, right, So your defense, you need playmakers
Speaker 8: in your offense. You need guys that are gonna be
Speaker 8: able to step up and make a player or two
Speaker 8: and and that's what happened. I mean after the interception,
Speaker 8: made a big play to get them downfield and as
Speaker 8: they were working their way in the field goal range.
Speaker 4: So it's, uh, it's gonna be a tough one.
Speaker 8: I do think that rams Seahawks, that they played two
Speaker 8: great games, that's gonna be good. Round Round three should
Speaker 8: be great.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Sam Donald the best quarterback of the weekend by far,
Speaker 3: and again that was that was just an absolute Uh.
Speaker 3: They got trucked, is what happened there?
Speaker 4: All right.
Speaker 3: So that's AFC NFC Championship. Tonight we have well college
Speaker 3: football final game of the Year, National Championship Game number
Speaker 3: one IU, which everyone on here is loving.
Speaker 2: I'm loving.
Speaker 3: I you against Miami. It's a home game for them,
Speaker 3: but screw Miami. I hate Miami.
Speaker 4: By the way.
Speaker 3: The only chance that this city's going to see a
Speaker 3: championship in Miami, of course, just tonight, because the Dolphins
Speaker 3: ain't got it going on for sure.
Speaker 4: I say, go, I you and I'm right with you.
Speaker 4: I'm rooting for them.
Speaker 5: I hope they do it.
Speaker 9: It is really hard to get in this position, even
Speaker 9: with the coach they have, even with Nil and Mark
Speaker 9: Cuban and all those things happening. I hope they finish
Speaker 9: it because this might be their only chance to do this,
Speaker 9: and maybe not, maybe they have other chances. But Fernando
Speaker 9: Mendoza is about as likable of a guy as you
Speaker 9: can have. He's going to be the number one pick.
Speaker 8: He's going to go to Las Vegas, which is kind
Speaker 8: of wild to me when you see his personality in
Speaker 8: his interviews, but that's what's going to happen. So we'll
Speaker 8: see if he can get a national championship one tonight.
Speaker 8: And yeah, I don't know anyone rooting for Miami.
Speaker 2: Other than in my well.
Speaker 3: I mean, it certainly is the you know, they're the
Speaker 3: dog of college football playoffs because they beat a seven
Speaker 3: to six and the number two in Ohio State. But
Speaker 3: my god, the Hoosiers have just steamrolled everybody, I mean, right,
Speaker 3: thirty eight three in the Rose Bowl, fifty six against Oregon,
Speaker 3: and no one is stopping Fernando Mendoza in this defense.
Speaker 3: And it's so good that even Kurtz Signetty may smile
Speaker 3: at some point.
Speaker 8: He might, he might have he might smile a little bit.
Speaker 8: I love his mindset and his attitude. You never know
Speaker 8: where he's going in interviews, and a lot of what
Speaker 8: he says is is relatable in a lot of ways.
Speaker 8: But it certainly I never thought Indiana football would be
Speaker 8: the Indiana you know. It's just it's wild. So, yeah, Miami,
Speaker 8: they're the underdogs on paper right because of the season.
Speaker 8: Let's be honest, from a from a program standpoint, it's
Speaker 8: not close. Historically, Indiana was nowhere near this, and so
Speaker 8: if they could finish this off, what a what a
Speaker 8: run it would be?
Speaker 2: It should be a blowout tonight.
Speaker 8: I mean, I hope it's a good game because I
Speaker 8: reached the good games in the one game I didn't
Speaker 8: finish over the weekend. Guess which one?
Speaker 4: It was?
Speaker 3: No reason, no reason, I turned that off, Like first
Speaker 3: quarter'm I like, okay, this is gonna There's no way
Speaker 3: it just gets over. No chance, no chance. So all right,
Speaker 3: that's uh seven thirty tonight, right, seven thirty. I believe that,
Speaker 3: yeah somewhere around there. Anyway, Well, the pregame started yesterday,
Speaker 3: so we're good.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 3: James Rapine, of course, our guy over at Bengals Talk
Speaker 3: dot com and lockdown Bengals. Why don't we get together
Speaker 3: next week and chop up and see who's going to
Speaker 3: this little Super Bowl preview, if you will, and talk
Speaker 3: about officiating and turnovers and everything else, because that was
Speaker 3: a weekend full of it, for sure.
Speaker 2: But I appreciate you. Thanks.
Speaker 3: Yeah, let's do it seven seven thirty. There you going
Speaker 3: to look it up seven thirty tonight. I'll be watching
Speaker 3: for sure. Appreciate man.
Speaker 4: I have a good one, thanks, Gott.
Speaker 2: All Right, we're rolling the news and uh, I don't
Speaker 2: know Willie's here today.
Speaker 3: I'm not sure. I think ken Brew is here actually,
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