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Speaker 1: He's Night Side with Dan Ray. I'm WBSY Foston's Radio.

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Speaker 2: Well, thanks to Scott Brown for spending an hour with

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Speaker 2: us and those of you who had a chance to call.

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Speaker 2: I mean, the first guy who called, Dave from Wyoming,

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Speaker 2: he is he's one of these guys. I don't know

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Speaker 2: what century he's living in, but he represents a constituency

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Speaker 2: of probably about four or five people. And when I

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Speaker 2: saw the call from come in from Wyoming and I asked,

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Speaker 2: I kind of thought it was him, and I thought

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Speaker 2: he had a couple of questions, which were dumb questions,

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Speaker 2: but Scott Brown handled the questions very well.

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Speaker 3: But when he starts talking about you know, revolution, I mean,

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Speaker 3: this is there's some dangerous people on the far right

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Speaker 3: and the far left, and if I have.

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Speaker 2: My way, he will not make another appearance on this program.

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Speaker 2: Whatever state he calls from, I think I'm going to

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Speaker 2: have get his number and make sure that. I mean,

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Speaker 2: it's a waste of time you're talking to somebody like that,

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Speaker 2: taking up very valuable time. Anyway, apologize for that. But

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Speaker 2: the other callers all were interesting callers, and I thought

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Speaker 2: that they made some interesting points.

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Speaker 3: Well, we woke up this morning those of you who

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Speaker 3: York which was stunning, a stunning news conference of gambling

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Speaker 3: and betting and fraud. I mean, those are the allegations now.

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Speaker 3: Whenever we cover an event like this, the implications are breathtaking.

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Speaker 3: Every major league sport has at different times been touched

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Speaker 3: by some form of scandal. But I don't think there's

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Speaker 3: a bigger scandal than we have than we have dealt with.

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Speaker 2: And I am delighted to be joined by Dan Shaughnessy

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Speaker 2: from the Boston Globe. Dan, of course, who covered the

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Speaker 2: Boston Celtics for many years as a beat you know,

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Speaker 2: he's a columnist now wrote an incredible book about the

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Speaker 2: Celtics in the nineteen eighties when basketball was really peaking

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Speaker 2: in this country. Dan Shaughnessy, welcome, Thank you for joining

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Speaker 2: us tonight.

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Speaker 4: Well thanks for having me Dan.

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Speaker 3: You know I was stunned at the breath, the scope,

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Speaker 3: and the I mean, you have former NBA players who

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Speaker 3: allegedly were involved with mafioso gangs. And not only were

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Speaker 3: they involved in not point.

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Speaker 2: Shaving, but they have these bets where you can bet

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Speaker 2: on someone you know is going to only play so

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Speaker 2: many minutes or score so many points.

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Speaker 3: You've covered sports a long time.

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Speaker 2: Where would you put, assuming that there's truth to this,

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Speaker 2: where would you put this scandal in that galaxy of

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Speaker 2: sports scandals, whether it's the Black Sox of nineteen nineteen,

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Speaker 2: Pete Rose, or Paul Horning and Alex Harrison and the

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Speaker 2: NFL back in the day. Boston College, I know, had

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Speaker 2: a basketball scandal many years ago, back in the late sixties.

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Speaker 2: This is this is as big as I can imagine

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Speaker 2: if this was true. And again, assuming these folks have

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Speaker 2: presumption of innocence, well.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think in our lifetime this is there, and

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Speaker 4: the Rose thing was very big in our lifetime. But

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Speaker 4: you know this, in American sports, it starts and ends

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Speaker 4: with the Black Sox scandal nineteen ninety the White Sox,

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Speaker 4: you know, taking money to throw the World Series. You

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Speaker 4: got to remember how big that event was, you know,

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Speaker 4: one hundred and six years ago. It was the only

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Speaker 4: event that mattered in the country in terms of sports.

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Speaker 4: And then they got eight guys who you know, admitted

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Speaker 4: taking payments, and it was it was short money compared

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Speaker 4: to now. But that led to the creation of the

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Speaker 4: Commission's Office in Major League Baseball can of sum Mountainlands

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Speaker 4: brought into clean up the sport, and that's why the

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Speaker 4: rules have been so strong for one hundred and six years.

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Speaker 4: And the players are all well aware of this. But

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Speaker 4: as you and I both know, in the last you know,

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Speaker 4: a couple of decades, the legalized betting has crept its

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Speaker 4: et cetera. And it's it's amusing to watch these pieces

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Speaker 4: on ESPN and whatnot today where the gambling crawls are

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Speaker 4: underneath the content that you're seeing talking about the scandal,

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Speaker 4: and it's like Claude Rains and Casablanca, you know, shocked,

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Speaker 4: shocked by the gambling, and here are your winnings, captain,

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Speaker 4: you know so, but yeah, this is up there. If

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Speaker 4: this stuff turns out to be true, and of course,

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Speaker 4: having a coach and uh, you know, players and information

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Speaker 4: and then the mafia component of it is certainly juicy

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Speaker 4: it looks bad for these guys, it does.

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Speaker 2: And the concern that you have is that if if

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Speaker 2: if these guys start to if there are others involved

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Speaker 2: and I'm not suggesting there are, but if all of

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Speaker 3: They've pulled out of this pond. You have people who

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Speaker 3: can go. And of course this.

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Speaker 2: Is on the heels the NBA has just has has

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Speaker 2: signed this this new well, I guess this is about

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Speaker 2: a year ago, a seventy six billion dollar deal. You know,

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Speaker 2: for media coverage. How much how much does do you

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Speaker 2: think this hurts the league which is has really become

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Speaker 2: I think even more of an international league following than

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Speaker 2: even NFL Football, which you're doing their best to play

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Speaker 2: games in Ireland and England and Germany and Argentina and Mexico.

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Speaker 2: This is what what do you think the long term

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Speaker 4: And I tend to survive these things. Again, the baseball

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Speaker 4: to really threatening out of the foundation of the sport

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Speaker 4: we've had. You know, the NBA had a thing with

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Speaker 4: one of the officials, Tim Donoghan, twenty years ago.

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Speaker 3: Jail time, did he not?

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Speaker 5: Sure? Sure?

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Speaker 4: And you've got the individuals in this thing, Rose here

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Speaker 4: and Ben Phillips is in the Hall of Fame, who've

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Speaker 4: made it north of one hundred million dollars in their careers.

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Speaker 6: And you know, like you say.

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Speaker 4: Why are they in these things? You know, well, easy money,

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Speaker 4: you know, the temptation of easy, easy money and stuff.

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Speaker 4: Now on the level, it's always going to be there,

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Speaker 4: and it's only a matter of time. It's been clear.

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Speaker 4: This has always been present, but in the last twenty

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Speaker 4: it's just impossible to think that you're going to have

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Speaker 4: all your players, you know, heed the warnings that they

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Speaker 4: cannot get involved, and you're seeing this and it doesn't

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Speaker 5: It'll be they'll be moore, it'll be worse, and we'll.

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Speaker 4: Be having the same conversation a year from now, five

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Speaker 2: Okay, you know this stuff better than I do. But

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Speaker 2: it seems to me that what at the core of the.

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Speaker 3: Betting aspect there. But we'll put aside the polker the

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Speaker 3: gambling access, yeah, is what they call the prop bets,

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Speaker 3: meaning I'm going to bet that this player is not

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Speaker 3: to play any more than twenty minutes. Those sorts of

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Speaker 3: individual bets. Does that make it more likely that a

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Speaker 3: It seems to me that they probably need to eliminate

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Speaker 4: Well, that would be one thing.

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Speaker 7: And you know they're they they make.

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Speaker 4: It easier to discover this behavior going on because when

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Speaker 4: you see a lot of action on one guy who's

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Speaker 4: not going to play more than ten minutes, So why

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Speaker 4: is there so much action on that particular thing tonight,

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Speaker 4: So that that that's a flag and that gets attention.

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Speaker 4: That's how some of this stuff gets discovered. And so

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Speaker 4: the legalized gamblers will tell you, well, our our our

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Speaker 4: So that's that that'll be part of the defense of this.

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Speaker 4: But but yeah, I mean, you're not gonna you're not

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Speaker 4: going to be able to stop it, and uh, and

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Speaker 4: the leagues have decided there's so much money in this

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Speaker 4: they want a piece of it, and they're and they're

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Speaker 4: barnering with the league last Gamblers.

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Speaker 3: So you're saying, the genies out of the bottle.

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Speaker 4: Oh, that's absolutely that this ship is sailed. It's like

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Speaker 4: trying to defend you know, college sports as amateur sports anymore.

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Speaker 5: It's just over.

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Speaker 2: Wow, Dan, I always want you to have the opportunity

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Speaker 2: to talk about your experience with the Celtics, which you

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Speaker 2: have memorialized in a great book about your time covering

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Speaker 2: the Celtics. It was probably the best years of pro basketball,

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Speaker 2: the sixties and seventies, it really peaked, you know, with

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Speaker 2: what you were covering in the eighties. Just reference if

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Speaker 2: you would the book, because frankly, a lot of people

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Speaker 3: And they love it. When when you could, you know.

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Speaker 2: Actually have access to the players, you know, Larry Bird

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Speaker 3: It was a different time. It was a different era.

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Speaker 2: I hate to say it, but we're talking thirty five

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Speaker 2: years or oh sure, okay, but it's the time that's

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Speaker 4: Times called wish it lasted forever in life with the

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Speaker 4: Larry Bird Celtics that was a pandemic still available on Amazon.

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Speaker 4: But but yeah, it goes back to that time in

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Speaker 4: the eighties when really the NBA got to the started

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Speaker 4: its path to being a global sport like it is

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Speaker 4: today and why it's got so much sway over young

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Speaker 4: Young people like it. It's a past active game, and

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Speaker 4: game now. But that started in the eighties and as

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Speaker 4: you say, in that time covering the team for the Celtics,

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Speaker 5: We were just forced to.

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Speaker 4: So that's what that book was about. I appreciate you

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Speaker 4: bringing it up. And it did start the NBA with

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Speaker 4: you know, you're always going to have this this this

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Speaker 4: to buy into it one hundred percent. After when these

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Speaker 4: sort of stories break.

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Speaker 2: The beauty of your book. And again, I'm sure a

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Speaker 2: lot of my audience has read it, but for those

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Speaker 2: when the Red Sox were still floundering. They had some

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Speaker 2: And it'll be interesting to hear the comments from some

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Speaker 3: Good money, but it wasn't anywhere near the.

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Speaker 4: Night, Dan, Thank you soon.

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Speaker 1: You're on Night Side with Dan Ray. I'm telling you

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Speaker 2: Okay, we have some calls lined up, Pete, Bill and Andrew.

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Speaker 2: This is FBI Director Cash Patel talking about this. This

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Speaker 8: Today, we're here in New York to announce a historic

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Speaker 2: That is the breadth of the story today. And here

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Speaker 8: You hear a lot about our work of defending the

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Speaker 5: And this.

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Speaker 2: Is a body blow to the NBA. All of us

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Speaker 2: These high stake poker players when they talk about they

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Speaker 2: I want to hear from as many of you in

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Speaker 2: Back on nightside phone calls right after the news.

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Speaker 1: You're on night Side with Dan Ray Boston's news Radio.

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Speaker 2: As promised, We're going right to the phones. Let me

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Speaker 3: Pete, it's a huge story up here. How are you tonight?

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Speaker 5: Well, I'm I'm really blown away. Number one. Thanks for

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Speaker 3: I haven't It's a fun read.

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Speaker 5: Yeah. All I have to say is this, You and

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Speaker 3: And well, I'm sure that all these guys made good money. Okay,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and how do you I mean, as this stuff

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Speaker 5: But I got to believe that Cash Betel and his

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Speaker 9: Three of the name defendants are charged for their alleged

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Speaker 5: Then you know they hit X rays.

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Speaker 10: Beginning as early as twenty nineteen, the defendants in this

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Speaker 5: It is it is. And again, as I said, I've

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Speaker 5: been following basketball. I don't know since I was ten

438
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Speaker 5: and I had a very good trend who just passed away.

439
00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:56,879
Speaker 5: He was a little All American from Fordham back in

440
00:23:56,920 --> 00:23:59,960
Speaker 5: the fifties and he knew every coach and so on.

441
00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:02,080
Speaker 5: Back in the eighties when we were both working in

442
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Speaker 5: New York City and we would go to this one

443
00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:09,440
Speaker 5: sports bar called Runyons and you could meet anybody and everybody.

444
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Speaker 5: But Dan, this is too hard for me to believe.

445
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Speaker 5: I just can't. I've got to get a hold of

446
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Speaker 5: my nephew, who is an absolute fan of the game.

447
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Speaker 5: He's what mid thirties, I guess now, but he Kobe.

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Speaker 5: Kobe's another one. My son in law watched Kobe play

449
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Speaker 5: in high school because they're both from the same league

450
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Speaker 5: outside of Philly.

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Speaker 3: Yep, Kobe Bryant.

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Speaker 5: He said, Kobe was doing stuff with the basketball that

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Speaker 5: nobody could imagine back in high school. And I just

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Speaker 5: it's too hard for me to believe that. You know,

455
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Speaker 5: they they did this and had suckered all these people

456
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Speaker 5: in and you know they're you know, besides going to jail,

457
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Speaker 5: there could be some other type of uh, get well, yeah, I.

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Speaker 2: Mean, depending upon this, this this story is going to

459
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Speaker 2: be with us for a while.

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Speaker 3: Pete, I gotta let you run because they got a

461
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Speaker 3: bunch of calls and I want to get everybody.

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Speaker 5: I'm going to listen to you till midnight tonight.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Pete. I hear I hear the passion in

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Speaker 2: your voice. I hear the past. You got it, talk

465
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Speaker 2: to you. So let me go next to my friend Bill. Hey, Bill,

466
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Speaker 2: how are you tonight? I know who this is?

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Speaker 11: Well, it's Bill and Bo Dan oh.

468
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Speaker 3: Both in the phone, Bill and Bow winner.

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Speaker 5: Bill and Bow.

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Speaker 11: And we were hoping to talk to our two favorite dans.

471
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Speaker 11: But at least we got our one favorite fad of yours.

472
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Speaker 11: So it's great to hear your voice. This is quite

473
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Speaker 11: an amazing topic. We wanted to say o to Dan

474
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Speaker 11: Shaughnessy because in the nineteen eighties my brother and I

475
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Speaker 11: we played the national anthem at Celtic games. I don't

476
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Speaker 11: know if you remember that.

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Speaker 3: I do remember the game. I do remember that, yeah.

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Speaker 11: Yes, and what a thrill that was. We became very

479
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Speaker 11: close friends, uh with Dan. He put us in his

480
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Speaker 11: articles many many times. I'll have to show you the

481
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Speaker 11: book on the History of the Celtics where he talks

482
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Speaker 11: about our performances, but this subject tonight is incredible. We

483
00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:20,200
Speaker 11: just got home from NY. We had a very very

484
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Speaker 11: busy night out there. The place was just jammed.

485
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Speaker 2: That's where we had. We had our Brunchdale last April

486
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Speaker 2: with you guys.

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Speaker 11: We had the best time ever.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, Well, I'm sorry missed Dan, but I stay up

490
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Speaker 2: till midnight ordinarily, and I try not to abuse the

491
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Speaker 2: guests U late.

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Speaker 11: No, no, so listen, we Bill just say hello to Dan.

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Speaker 11: Will you plase sure?

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Speaker 3: We got it right here? Hey Bill, Hey Dan.

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Speaker 7: You know we were we were listening to the show

496
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Speaker 7: all the way home from the and thinking about you,

497
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Speaker 7: and we thought I would, you know, talk to both

498
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Speaker 7: Dan's but didn't.

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Speaker 2: Well, I hope if I'd known you were going to call,

500
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Speaker 2: I probably would have prevailed.

501
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Speaker 3: A pod day and to stick around. But I wanted.

502
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Speaker 2: I wanted to get his expertise on this at his perspective.

503
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Speaker 2: But I also never want to abuse the friendship. I mean,

504
00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:18,040
Speaker 2: for me staying up till midnight, I do that five

505
00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:21,000
Speaker 2: nights a week, but most people actually have to get

506
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Speaker 2: up in the morning and be productive.

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Speaker 11: Exactly, Well, we're going to let you go on to

508
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Speaker 11: your next call. But it is great to uh to

509
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Speaker 11: talk to you.

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Speaker 2: Take good care both, Thank you so much and Bill

511
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Speaker 2: as always, thank you both very much. The Winnakers they

512
00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:39,800
Speaker 2: the best orchestra that I've ever heard here in New England.

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Speaker 2: Thanks guys, I appreciate it as.

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Speaker 11: Always, thanks to talk to you. Talk to you again

515
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Speaker 11: soon say at home.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely hopefully I'll see you. Okay, talk soon. Let me

517
00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:50,480
Speaker 2: keep rolling here. I'm going to get one more in

518
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Speaker 2: before the break. I think I can do that. Going

519
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:54,240
Speaker 2: to go to Andrew in Plymouth. Andrew want to try

520
00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:56,440
Speaker 2: to get as many folks to weigh into this because

521
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Speaker 2: this is a sad story. It's one we got to

522
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Speaker 2: talk about.

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Speaker 6: Go ahead, Andrew, sure for a time long time?

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Speaker 3: Whoa well, think we'll get you around. We went a

525
00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:07,480
Speaker 3: bunch of first time callers this week. Go right ahead.

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Speaker 6: So let me get this. The Supreme Court in twenty

527
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Speaker 6: eighteen approved online bet gambling correct right.

528
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Speaker 2: It gave the states, as I understand that I have

529
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Speaker 2: not read the decision recently, but it gave states the

530
00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:26,800
Speaker 2: already some states do, some states don't.

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Speaker 11: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I think it's thirty six states do.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

534
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Speaker 6: And if you look at you know the mafia and

535
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Speaker 6: the bookies all of a sudden, they were put out

536
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Speaker 6: of business pretty much, as at least a lot of

537
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Speaker 6: them were. So they automatically in twenty eighteen saw that

538
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Speaker 6: they were going to be losing millions of dollars coming

539
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Speaker 6: in to their coffers. Fair enough, even as Patel was saying,

540
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Speaker 6: in twenty nineteen, this is how far this goes back,

541
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Speaker 6: they started investigating this, so you can see where the

542
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Speaker 6: mafia all of a sudden, in my opinion, started to

543
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Speaker 6: see a way that they could start making their money back.

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Speaker 6: And unfortunately we have the scandal that we have, which

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Speaker 6: is just again, unlike everybody, I'm just blown away.

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Speaker 3: And again I want to emphasize that the defendants here,

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Speaker 3: even the mafios, the coasts of people enjoy the presumption

548
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Speaker 3: of innocence. But I watched that news conference this.

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Speaker 2: Morning, and it seemed to me that they they they

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Speaker 2: laid out a story that any jury is going to

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Speaker 2: be able to follow. Sometimes in these fraud cases, the

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Speaker 2: stories are complicated.

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Speaker 3: This was pretty straightforward.

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Speaker 6: And we see the betting that's been happening. I mean, again,

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Speaker 6: in my opinion, you know, I've always been a huge

556
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Speaker 6: baseball fan, and all four sports. But when the when

557
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Speaker 6: the Otani from the Dodgers, yep, that whole incident where

558
00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:01,960
Speaker 6: all of a sudden they left all the blame on

559
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Speaker 6: his interpreter.

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Speaker 3: YEP.

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Speaker 6: You really wonder did they really or were they covering

562
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Speaker 6: up because he was the number one face for baseball.

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Speaker 2: Well he still is in many respects, and particularly with

564
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Speaker 2: them going back to the World Series. But I can't believe.

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Speaker 3: I don't want to believe that that Otani was involved

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Speaker 3: in what the interpreter supposedly was involved in. And you

567
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Speaker 3: can see, I mean Otani had he has a contract

568
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Speaker 3: that will make him, you know, a very wealthy man.

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Speaker 3: The interpreter might have been looking at the situation in saying, gee,

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Speaker 3: I listen, I have access. I don't know, I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I want to focus on what's going on today, though.

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Speaker 6: Because exactly exactly, even with these NBA players, regardless whether

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Speaker 6: they be twenty.

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Speaker 5: Six million, they might have an addiction.

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Speaker 6: Just like drugs, alcohol, there's.

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Speaker 3: No suggestion of that they may have an addiction of money.

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Speaker 2: The other thing is that I assume if they did

578
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Speaker 2: make money, I don't think they declared it on their taxes,

579
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Speaker 2: so they probably will have some superseding indictments here dealing

580
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Speaker 2: with tax evasion.

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Speaker 3: Which the government looks at very yeah, very cool.

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Speaker 6: Let's be interesting to see all the rest of us

583
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Speaker 6: rolls off. But Dan, thank you very much. I'll let

584
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Speaker 6: you get on the other callers and have a great night.

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Speaker 5: Well.

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Speaker 2: First of all, Andrew, I want to thank you for

587
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Speaker 2: being a first time caller and hope you'll continue to

588
00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:28,840
Speaker 2: listen and call it call this radio station. Okay, thank

589
00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:32,520
Speaker 2: you so much. Thanks, I appreciate it. Great call. We

590
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:35,440
Speaker 2: got to take a break. We've got Michael and Alex

591
00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:38,960
Speaker 2: coming up. Six one seven, four ten thirty six one

592
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Speaker 2: seven ninety three one ten thirty. I truly want to

593
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Speaker 2: talk about this into the next hour. It's a national story.

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Speaker 2: I will be quite disappointed if people don't don't have

595
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Speaker 2: thoughts and opinions on this. It's horrific. Uh, It's a

596
00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:57,200
Speaker 2: story that calls into question. You know, professional sports, which

597
00:31:57,240 --> 00:32:01,000
Speaker 2: is big business in this country. People depend upon it,

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Speaker 2: not only the players obviously, but organizationally, there are people.

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Speaker 2: There are people who who work at these arenas. You

600
00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:09,640
Speaker 2: know eighty one nights a year. In some cities they

601
00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:11,760
Speaker 2: work one hundred and fifty nights a year because you

602
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Speaker 2: have a hockey program as well as a basketball league program.

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Speaker 3: So this is this is really ugly, but let's talk

604
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Speaker 3: about it.

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Speaker 2: Six one, seven, two, five, four ten thirty six one seven,

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Speaker 2: nine three ten thirty. I was stunned by this. I

607
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:32,600
Speaker 2: suspect most of you were as well. Uh, if you

608
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:35,640
Speaker 2: want to tell me the reason, I believe the prop

609
00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:38,320
Speaker 2: bets are a big part of it. But Dan Shaughnessy

610
00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:40,720
Speaker 2: made the great point that it was in prop bets

611
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Speaker 2: that probably put up the red flags. If you're confused

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Speaker 2: about that, we'll explain it. Coming back on Nightside.

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Speaker 1: Night Side with Dan Ray, I'MBZ Boston's news radio.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna keep rolling here, gonna go next to Michael

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Speaker 2: in Attleborough. Michael, you're next to Knightside.

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Speaker 5: Go ahead, Thank you now, good sir, Yes.

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Speaker 2: Sir, I can hear you. Michael, Go right ahead, Robin Michaels.

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Speaker 2: Let's clean Michael's lineup, rob and let's we'll be back

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Speaker 2: with him in just a moment. Let me go next

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Speaker 2: to Liz in East Boston. Hei, Liz, Welcome next on Nightside.

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Speaker 12: Hi, Hi, Dan, I'm I'm what are you so shocked about?

622
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Speaker 12: Gambling is an awful thing and exports gambling should not

623
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Speaker 12: be legal.

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Speaker 3: Well, I'm shocked.

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Speaker 2: What I'm shocked about is if you if you listen

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Speaker 2: to that news conference today, is that one players would

627
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Speaker 2: sacrifice their integrity. They make a lot of money, but

628
00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:47,960
Speaker 2: they're going to sacrifice their integrity and expose themselves to

629
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Speaker 2: being caught because they're functioning in you know, in the

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Speaker 2: public public specter.

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Speaker 3: Here. I'm shocked at the extent of this.

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Speaker 2: I mean, these guys, these guys were involved in a

633
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:05,800
Speaker 2: lot of activity, assuming that the allegations are true, which

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Speaker 2: we always have to say that as a caveat that

635
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Speaker 2: this is NBA players involved with organized crime well Cos

636
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Speaker 2: andstra if the allegations are true.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm pretty.

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Speaker 2: Shocked at that, because when you get in bed with

639
00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:22,720
Speaker 2: folks like that, sometimes you can end up really being hurt,

640
00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:25,520
Speaker 2: hurt much more off court than you can be on court.

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Speaker 3: If you get my drift.

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Speaker 12: Well, I mean the bottom line is sports gambling should

643
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Speaker 12: be illegal. I think it's funny because your your radio stations,

644
00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:41,000
Speaker 12: you advertise your fan duel or what the other one.

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Speaker 2: But now there's a there's a there's a bunch of these,

646
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Speaker 2: there's a bunch of these agencies. Look, there has always

647
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Speaker 2: been sports gambling, and one of the one of.

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Speaker 12: The can I finished. I just want to finish my

649
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Speaker 12: point about that. Go ahead on the ad and then

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Speaker 12: you and then.

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Speaker 13: You finish it with, oh, if you have a problem gambling,

652
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Speaker 13: call one eight hundred.

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Speaker 6: Are you know?

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Speaker 13: Yeah, dial this number for your addiction. So you know,

655
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:10,800
Speaker 13: we create a problem and then we have the solution.

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Speaker 13: You know, ready for these four people to get addicted

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Speaker 13: to gambling.

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Speaker 2: Well, okay, so let me respond. Would you mind if

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Speaker 2: I can respond to that. I know that you firmly

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Speaker 2: believe what you just said.

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Speaker 3: The argument against that that was made was that if

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Speaker 3: they are basically rein gambling through public companies, public organizations,

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Speaker 3: that it would it would take gambling away from organized

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Speaker 3: crime underground uh, and that it could be regulated.

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Speaker 2: And as a matter of fact, this was probably, as

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Speaker 2: Dan Shaughnessy mentioned, exposed as a problem by virtue of

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Speaker 2: the fact that this was done not with you know,

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Speaker 2: organized crime, but with companies and businesses. So you know,

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Speaker 2: if you're opposed to sports gambling under any circumstances, that's

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Speaker 2: a legitimate position. But we've always had sports gambling, whether

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Speaker 2: it was with the groups that we currently have the

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Speaker 2: businesses or with organized crime for years.

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Speaker 13: And years and years, so organized crime is still involved.

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Speaker 12: So you know, it's just it's ridiculous to me. It's

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Speaker 12: very harmful to families.

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Speaker 6: You know.

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Speaker 12: I've been to the casino over here in Everett, and

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Speaker 12: it's just a very sad place to me. I mean,

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Speaker 12: I can see people that are there because they have

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Speaker 12: a problem. It's not a complaint. Same thing like with

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Speaker 12: Suffolk down back in the day. You know, I'd go

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Speaker 12: there for fun, but it was never fun because you

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Speaker 12: can see some people really.

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Speaker 2: Have and I and I understand your position, and I

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Speaker 2: respect your position. To be very honest with you, I

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Speaker 2: don't go to casinos. I'm not a gambler, but I

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Speaker 2: enjoy watching athletic events. At the same time. Once again,

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Speaker 2: the purity of sport certainly has been called into question here,

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Speaker 2: and I think it's sad. I think it's sad for kids.

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Speaker 2: I think it's sad for the industry. For the industry,

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Speaker 2: but hey, it is what it is. And I'm glad

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Speaker 2: that you called, but I'm running out of time here,

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Speaker 2: so I got to let you go.

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Speaker 3: Feel free to call any night.

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Speaker 2: Your point of view is always going to be respected.

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Speaker 2: Your your respectful caller. I just wanted to give you

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Speaker 2: the other side of the argument.

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Speaker 3: That's all. Have a great night. Thank you, You're welcome. Okay,

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Speaker 3: we will get back to Michael. I don't know.

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Speaker 2: Hopefully his line is cleaned up. I'm going to ask

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Speaker 2: him to hold through the news. He'll be first up

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Speaker 2: on the other side. We have a couple of.

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Speaker 3: Other callers, but I got some open lines.

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Speaker 2: I want to know your reaction to this. Six one

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Speaker 2: seven four ten thirty six one seven nine ten thirty.

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Speaker 3: My name is Dan Ray. This is Nightside.

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Speaker 2: I will remind those of you who may not be

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Speaker 2: aware of it. I always do a post well most nights,

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Speaker 2: I do a postgame show on night Side with Dan.

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Speaker 2: So if you are going to stick with us through

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Speaker 2: the midnight hour, you're invited to join me immediately after

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Speaker 2: the show any night Nightside with Dan Ray on Facebook

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Speaker 2: and I talk about the show, talk about the callers,

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Speaker 2: and talk about how I thought it all went. In

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Speaker 2: the meantime, feel free to light up the lines here.

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Speaker 2: I want to get your reaction. I think this is

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Speaker 2: a huge story. It may be even bigger than we realize.

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Speaker 2: Is which I'm not hoping for, but it could even

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Speaker 2: get bigger back on nightside after this