1 00:00:22,520 --> 00:00:25,720 Speaker 1: Pete meursis Paul Allen, mad producer by my side. 2 00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:27,040 Speaker 2: What's going on? My brother? 3 00:00:27,680 --> 00:00:29,440 Speaker 3: Not much? How are you what's new? 4 00:00:29,920 --> 00:00:33,040 Speaker 1: Excellent? Yeah, the Kyle the Kyler Covenant's new. But let 5 00:00:33,040 --> 00:00:35,000 Speaker 1: me let me ask you this so I don't forget. 6 00:00:36,360 --> 00:00:39,920 Speaker 1: Are you starting a YouTube podcast with former Vikings running 7 00:00:39,960 --> 00:00:41,600 Speaker 1: back in your dear friend Robert Smith. 8 00:00:42,400 --> 00:00:45,519 Speaker 3: Yes, we're getting this. Uh, you know, Robert wants to 9 00:00:45,560 --> 00:00:48,040 Speaker 3: do it. So we're gonna get together and and uh, 10 00:00:48,120 --> 00:00:50,680 Speaker 3: maybe once a week or so just talk some football, 11 00:00:50,720 --> 00:00:53,040 Speaker 3: especially over the next few months with the draft and everything. 12 00:00:53,040 --> 00:00:57,440 Speaker 3: But yeah, just told stories, probably have some guests on, 13 00:00:57,560 --> 00:01:00,880 Speaker 3: hopefully the likes of a John Randall or Dixon Edwards. 14 00:01:00,920 --> 00:01:03,760 Speaker 3: At some point Randy Moss go from there. We'll get you, 15 00:01:04,040 --> 00:01:05,640 Speaker 3: get Brandy, and we'll get you on there. We can 16 00:01:05,640 --> 00:01:08,560 Speaker 3: get all kind The guest part of it's uh, it's 17 00:01:08,560 --> 00:01:11,440 Speaker 3: all over the place. But yeah, it's it's fun to 18 00:01:11,680 --> 00:01:13,760 Speaker 3: it's fun to sit down and talk to Robert and 19 00:01:13,840 --> 00:01:16,800 Speaker 3: just go through some memories and get his takes on 20 00:01:16,800 --> 00:01:19,280 Speaker 3: on things. As you know, he's still active and I'm 21 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:21,600 Speaker 3: looking forward to picking his brain on some of these 22 00:01:21,640 --> 00:01:24,640 Speaker 3: college kids because that he follows the college games pretty closely. 23 00:01:25,280 --> 00:01:27,560 Speaker 1: Is that going to be the the I in the 24 00:01:27,560 --> 00:01:30,959 Speaker 1: Sky YouTube channel or something different, No, it'll be it'll 25 00:01:31,040 --> 00:01:32,560 Speaker 1: for right now, it's going to be on that we 26 00:01:32,640 --> 00:01:34,720 Speaker 1: got to There might be other ways to distribute it, 27 00:01:34,760 --> 00:01:35,360 Speaker 1: but for right. 28 00:01:35,200 --> 00:01:36,920 Speaker 3: Now, it'll just be on. You'll find it on the 29 00:01:36,920 --> 00:01:37,440 Speaker 3: eye in the sky. 30 00:01:37,760 --> 00:01:38,120 Speaker 2: Okay. 31 00:01:38,160 --> 00:01:41,560 Speaker 1: So, with the way Kevin O'Connell successfully is run offense 32 00:01:41,600 --> 00:01:44,240 Speaker 1: when he's had the right components and the and and 33 00:01:44,400 --> 00:01:49,640 Speaker 1: the quarterback going under center and executing plays off play action, 34 00:01:49,840 --> 00:01:53,720 Speaker 1: just everything that goes into competent quarterback play, what what 35 00:01:53,800 --> 00:01:57,240 Speaker 1: do you think can or potentially will change with the 36 00:01:57,240 --> 00:02:01,040 Speaker 1: way he calls games given you have somebody now who 37 00:02:01,120 --> 00:02:04,800 Speaker 1: is so athletically and naturally gifted running. 38 00:02:06,040 --> 00:02:08,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's going to be the question. And I 39 00:02:08,360 --> 00:02:11,959 Speaker 3: think what what Kevin O'Connell said or what Ben Gesling reported, 40 00:02:13,680 --> 00:02:16,720 Speaker 3: just hearing Kevin O'Connell talk about how we've used a 41 00:02:16,760 --> 00:02:20,200 Speaker 3: mobile quarterback in light of how teams have planned for 42 00:02:20,480 --> 00:02:25,399 Speaker 3: Justin Jefferson on bas downs. So is is this kind 43 00:02:25,400 --> 00:02:29,280 Speaker 3: of the wholesale change, if you will. We've we've talked 44 00:02:29,280 --> 00:02:31,800 Speaker 3: about an identity in the running game, and what's that 45 00:02:31,919 --> 00:02:34,200 Speaker 3: going to be. Now, is this a is this kind 46 00:02:34,200 --> 00:02:39,080 Speaker 3: of a form of a run pass option, meaning if 47 00:02:39,120 --> 00:02:44,080 Speaker 3: you on bas downs playfake and do you know, do 48 00:02:44,080 --> 00:02:46,880 Speaker 3: do something off the off that and see too deep 49 00:02:47,320 --> 00:02:50,480 Speaker 3: right quarters, you know, cover two or whatever, just have 50 00:02:50,560 --> 00:02:52,040 Speaker 3: them pull that thing down and run. 51 00:02:53,200 --> 00:02:53,400 Speaker 4: You know. 52 00:02:53,520 --> 00:02:56,440 Speaker 3: The older the older Kyler Murray gets, the less I'd 53 00:02:56,480 --> 00:02:58,880 Speaker 3: like to see him run. But this might be the 54 00:02:58,880 --> 00:03:00,919 Speaker 3: wrinkle that they want to add to the running game 55 00:03:01,040 --> 00:03:04,799 Speaker 3: to cause it to be a little bit more difficult 56 00:03:04,800 --> 00:03:07,440 Speaker 3: to defend. And because of that piece of justin Jefferson, 57 00:03:07,800 --> 00:03:09,920 Speaker 3: he was alluding to just what he saw on tape 58 00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:12,799 Speaker 3: and how teams you know, have have defended him on 59 00:03:12,919 --> 00:03:16,280 Speaker 3: base downs, so how they mix him in? I mean, 60 00:03:16,919 --> 00:03:20,840 Speaker 3: this is this is the part Paul is you can't 61 00:03:21,320 --> 00:03:23,480 Speaker 3: put a square peg in a round hole, meaning as 62 00:03:23,480 --> 00:03:26,840 Speaker 3: a coach, you you have to do what the players 63 00:03:26,840 --> 00:03:29,119 Speaker 3: are capable of doing and what they are very good 64 00:03:29,120 --> 00:03:30,720 Speaker 3: at doing. But then at the same time you have 65 00:03:30,760 --> 00:03:34,079 Speaker 3: to have some kind of identity. And our identity on 66 00:03:34,160 --> 00:03:38,480 Speaker 3: offense has been under center play action five to seven 67 00:03:38,520 --> 00:03:44,240 Speaker 3: step drop passing game, and Kyler Murray really doesn't fit 68 00:03:44,400 --> 00:03:46,760 Speaker 3: that mold, you know what I'm saying, And So how 69 00:03:46,840 --> 00:03:48,920 Speaker 3: much is the offense going to change, how much is 70 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:52,760 Speaker 3: Kevin O'Connor going to change? What's the plan in that regard, 71 00:03:53,240 --> 00:03:55,760 Speaker 3: And if it's going to be a lot different than 72 00:03:56,360 --> 00:03:59,200 Speaker 3: what they feel JJ McCarthy can do, then they got 73 00:03:59,240 --> 00:04:01,320 Speaker 3: to make a big decision because the style of offense 74 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:03,600 Speaker 3: will play depending on the quarter will change depending on 75 00:04:03,640 --> 00:04:08,520 Speaker 3: the quarterback, or they see similar attributes in both JJ 76 00:04:08,640 --> 00:04:11,520 Speaker 3: McCarthy and Kyler Murray and they're just going to make 77 00:04:11,600 --> 00:04:15,120 Speaker 3: this change and tweak to the offense and let the 78 00:04:15,160 --> 00:04:16,200 Speaker 3: two of them battle it out. 79 00:04:16,200 --> 00:04:19,120 Speaker 5: So we'll see he, you know, in that vain pete 80 00:04:19,160 --> 00:04:22,320 Speaker 5: with with the offense and Kevin O'Connell and just what 81 00:04:22,400 --> 00:04:24,960 Speaker 5: he can do to mold the scheme to the QB. 82 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:29,159 Speaker 5: Biggest part of it just Ko has always talked about accuracy, 83 00:04:29,520 --> 00:04:31,320 Speaker 5: and then a big part of this offense has been 84 00:04:31,480 --> 00:04:34,680 Speaker 5: on time, and we've seen some tough moments when the 85 00:04:34,760 --> 00:04:37,400 Speaker 5: ball is not delivered on time, when the play is 86 00:04:37,440 --> 00:04:40,559 Speaker 5: not on time. So amount of patients as a coach 87 00:04:40,640 --> 00:04:44,120 Speaker 5: that Kevin O'Connell's going to have with the improvisation of 88 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:46,880 Speaker 5: a Kyler Murray because whether it's under center, it's out 89 00:04:46,880 --> 00:04:50,440 Speaker 5: of shotgun. His instinctive nature to boot out and to 90 00:04:50,480 --> 00:04:53,760 Speaker 5: buy himself a couple extra seconds. That's not something you're 91 00:04:53,800 --> 00:04:55,880 Speaker 5: going to coach out of them. So what's the patients 92 00:04:56,040 --> 00:04:58,760 Speaker 5: like in terms of I got this grand plan, but 93 00:04:58,839 --> 00:05:02,960 Speaker 5: the quarterback's going to alter it from time to time. Uh, 94 00:05:03,120 --> 00:05:06,760 Speaker 5: that's that's the big question, right. And you look at 95 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:08,480 Speaker 5: Kyler Murray, and there's one thing you go kind of 96 00:05:08,520 --> 00:05:10,680 Speaker 5: go through the notes and look at in games, in 97 00:05:10,800 --> 00:05:15,080 Speaker 5: games past, Kyler Murray can be very accurate. And don't 98 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:17,680 Speaker 5: forget that's the one thing when Kevin O'Connell first got 99 00:05:17,680 --> 00:05:20,760 Speaker 5: here when you talked about, you know, attributes to a quarterback, 100 00:05:20,839 --> 00:05:24,840 Speaker 5: accuracy is number one and and and Kyler Murray can. 101 00:05:25,400 --> 00:05:30,240 Speaker 5: We've seen him be very accurate, surprisingly accurate. Likes to 102 00:05:30,279 --> 00:05:32,080 Speaker 5: throw the footman, likes to throw the ball to the 103 00:05:32,120 --> 00:05:34,160 Speaker 5: tight ends, likes to. 104 00:05:34,040 --> 00:05:37,440 Speaker 3: Throw the ball underneath. Now, how you know, can't he 105 00:05:37,520 --> 00:05:39,839 Speaker 3: get that thing down the field? You know, we'll you know, 106 00:05:39,920 --> 00:05:45,080 Speaker 3: we'll see. I think Kevin O'Connell's patience will be tested 107 00:05:45,120 --> 00:05:48,640 Speaker 3: by if the route is there, if the timing is there, 108 00:05:48,680 --> 00:05:52,000 Speaker 3: and he's still not throwing it and deciding to pull it, 109 00:05:52,080 --> 00:05:54,120 Speaker 3: pulling to pull it down and run instead. 110 00:05:54,520 --> 00:05:54,719 Speaker 6: Uh. 111 00:05:54,800 --> 00:05:57,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the frustrating part, you know. I think we 112 00:05:57,120 --> 00:05:59,160 Speaker 3: saw that with the pastorn out a few years ago. 113 00:05:59,240 --> 00:06:02,520 Speaker 3: But you know he's like, he's like, oh my god, 114 00:06:02,600 --> 00:06:04,279 Speaker 3: throw the ball and then he pulls it down a 115 00:06:04,320 --> 00:06:07,200 Speaker 3: runs to score a touchdown and you're like this, you 116 00:06:07,200 --> 00:06:09,799 Speaker 3: can remember the video from the sideline. He's just like, oh, okay, 117 00:06:09,839 --> 00:06:13,840 Speaker 3: we'll take it. But uh that I think that's that's 118 00:06:13,880 --> 00:06:16,960 Speaker 3: where when plays are set up properly, get the right 119 00:06:17,040 --> 00:06:19,560 Speaker 3: route against the right coverage, and the throw is there, 120 00:06:19,600 --> 00:06:21,680 Speaker 3: he's got to make it. I think that's the challenge 121 00:06:21,680 --> 00:06:22,440 Speaker 3: for him, you. 122 00:06:22,400 --> 00:06:25,320 Speaker 5: Know, kind of at a more just things you can't fix. 123 00:06:26,160 --> 00:06:28,680 Speaker 5: Jokes have been made, and frankly, I've laughed at every 124 00:06:28,720 --> 00:06:31,320 Speaker 5: single one of them on social media. Anytime I see 125 00:06:31,960 --> 00:06:35,200 Speaker 5: a meme about like a child walking through the terminal 126 00:06:35,200 --> 00:06:38,240 Speaker 5: at an airport and it's like, hey, Kyler Murray's at 127 00:06:38,360 --> 00:06:41,920 Speaker 5: MSP five ten issu And maybe that's uh, maybe that's 128 00:06:41,920 --> 00:06:44,640 Speaker 5: being generous with generous with with Kyler Murray. 129 00:06:44,880 --> 00:06:46,440 Speaker 3: He's a spud web of the NFL. 130 00:06:46,600 --> 00:06:49,680 Speaker 5: He is, but but he has still found ways to 131 00:06:49,760 --> 00:06:52,719 Speaker 5: be effective, to be explosive, to push things down the 132 00:06:52,760 --> 00:06:56,520 Speaker 5: field to find guys to layer the ball, and and 133 00:06:56,560 --> 00:06:58,480 Speaker 5: he's done that both in and out of the pocket. 134 00:06:58,600 --> 00:07:01,320 Speaker 5: So how much you know just from what you've seen 135 00:07:01,360 --> 00:07:04,160 Speaker 5: of Kyler And I doubt you've gone all twenty two 136 00:07:04,279 --> 00:07:06,440 Speaker 5: quite yet on every single one of his plays in 137 00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:10,000 Speaker 5: the NFL. But how much of a factor truly has 138 00:07:10,080 --> 00:07:12,920 Speaker 5: that been? Maybe even for you is you've watched him 139 00:07:12,920 --> 00:07:14,960 Speaker 5: play and you've seen the good times and the bad 140 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:17,000 Speaker 5: times of his time in Arizona. 141 00:07:17,680 --> 00:07:20,760 Speaker 3: Well, what is interesting is you take a look at 142 00:07:20,760 --> 00:07:24,320 Speaker 3: the it's a percent of passes that are batted down 143 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:27,400 Speaker 3: at the line of scrimmage. Yeah, and you don't this 144 00:07:27,520 --> 00:07:30,920 Speaker 3: is not really an official number, I guess by the league. 145 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:33,800 Speaker 3: But the you know, the number one five percent. The 146 00:07:33,880 --> 00:07:36,360 Speaker 3: number one quarterback in the NFL last year was JJ 147 00:07:36,480 --> 00:07:40,040 Speaker 3: McCarthy had six point five or six point six percent 148 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:42,440 Speaker 3: of his passes batted down. I mean he led. He 149 00:07:42,560 --> 00:07:45,200 Speaker 3: led that category in a bullet with a bullet over 150 00:07:45,680 --> 00:07:48,680 Speaker 3: by a percent, and then two and a half percent 151 00:07:48,800 --> 00:07:51,560 Speaker 3: behind him was Kyler Murray. Now neither one of them 152 00:07:51,560 --> 00:07:55,600 Speaker 3: played in the entire season, a full season so to speak. 153 00:07:56,200 --> 00:08:01,720 Speaker 3: Uh So the height thing, Yeah, it's real it's there now. Conversely, 154 00:08:02,360 --> 00:08:04,280 Speaker 3: which I think is the number that's more important, is 155 00:08:04,280 --> 00:08:07,760 Speaker 3: we gave up sixty sacks last year, right the Raiders 156 00:08:07,800 --> 00:08:10,360 Speaker 3: were number one with sixty four. We were at sixty 157 00:08:10,840 --> 00:08:14,800 Speaker 3: giving up and then forty nine the year before with Darnold. 158 00:08:15,480 --> 00:08:18,440 Speaker 3: That number has that number has to come down because 159 00:08:18,440 --> 00:08:20,800 Speaker 3: when you look at Kyler Murray and the number of 160 00:08:20,920 --> 00:08:25,200 Speaker 3: sacks that he's had, he's about half of that. So 161 00:08:25,360 --> 00:08:28,440 Speaker 3: your offensive line of protections and avoiding sacks is going 162 00:08:28,520 --> 00:08:31,960 Speaker 3: to improve with his mobility. The other part of it 163 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:36,319 Speaker 3: is historically over his seven year career he's been about 164 00:08:36,320 --> 00:08:38,520 Speaker 3: a two touchdown to one interception ratio. 165 00:08:38,600 --> 00:08:38,840 Speaker 4: Guy. 166 00:08:39,080 --> 00:08:41,839 Speaker 3: It pretty much holds up that whole time, yep. And 167 00:08:42,480 --> 00:08:46,120 Speaker 3: last year with us and touchdowns the interceptions, we were 168 00:08:46,200 --> 00:08:50,480 Speaker 3: upside down. So we're going to hopefully improve on that 169 00:08:50,640 --> 00:08:53,520 Speaker 3: end as well. So if just if those numbers just 170 00:08:53,520 --> 00:08:56,520 Speaker 3: stay consistent, you're going to get better quarterback playing. Don't 171 00:08:56,520 --> 00:08:58,280 Speaker 3: forget we were nine and eight. So if you got 172 00:08:58,440 --> 00:09:02,120 Speaker 3: better more consistent quarter back play, just part of the 173 00:09:02,200 --> 00:09:04,400 Speaker 3: time you went, you know, you win the Bears game, 174 00:09:04,440 --> 00:09:07,000 Speaker 3: you win a number of games, and you're probably in 175 00:09:07,040 --> 00:09:10,360 Speaker 3: the playoffs, so you don't need a quantum leap at 176 00:09:10,360 --> 00:09:14,280 Speaker 3: the quarterback position. You need some consistency at the quarterback position, 177 00:09:14,360 --> 00:09:17,360 Speaker 3: and and I think Kyler Murray can can bring that. 178 00:09:17,480 --> 00:09:20,760 Speaker 3: And if JJ McCarthy has a great offseason and improves, 179 00:09:20,960 --> 00:09:22,560 Speaker 3: I think he can do that. What's going to be 180 00:09:22,679 --> 00:09:26,160 Speaker 3: fascinating to me is they're going to compete, right, I guess, 181 00:09:26,600 --> 00:09:28,280 Speaker 3: And I don't know if I've heard anything else, if 182 00:09:28,280 --> 00:09:30,319 Speaker 3: they have said that Kyler is going to be the starter, 183 00:09:31,360 --> 00:09:34,520 Speaker 3: but this day and age, with with these guys not 184 00:09:34,640 --> 00:09:39,560 Speaker 3: playing in preseason, how you know you're going to compete 185 00:09:39,559 --> 00:09:43,680 Speaker 3: in practice and and maybe during the scrimmages, and that's 186 00:09:43,720 --> 00:09:46,200 Speaker 3: really about it. And then and then what you're gonna 187 00:09:46,200 --> 00:09:48,640 Speaker 3: split time with the ones with both guys, and then 188 00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:53,840 Speaker 3: whoever you pick for day one starter automatically has half 189 00:09:53,880 --> 00:09:56,560 Speaker 3: the time with the with the ones that that the 190 00:09:56,679 --> 00:09:58,520 Speaker 3: you know, then any other quarterback in the league has, 191 00:09:58,600 --> 00:10:03,440 Speaker 3: so that whole I'm very interested to see how that 192 00:10:03,720 --> 00:10:08,160 Speaker 3: really gets managed right about who's the starter? The competition 193 00:10:08,280 --> 00:10:10,480 Speaker 3: side of it, is it really a competent you know 194 00:10:10,520 --> 00:10:12,640 Speaker 3: what I mean? How you know how the snaps are handled? 195 00:10:12,679 --> 00:10:12,920 Speaker 4: All that? 196 00:10:13,080 --> 00:10:18,520 Speaker 3: And it to me that's very interesting because I don't 197 00:10:18,520 --> 00:10:20,320 Speaker 3: know of any other team in the league that has 198 00:10:20,400 --> 00:10:24,400 Speaker 3: that competition kind of thing going on. Most everybody's stable, 199 00:10:24,440 --> 00:10:27,960 Speaker 3: most everybody's set. That guy's going to get every you know, 200 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:31,600 Speaker 3: every starter snap, all throughout training camp, all throughout the 201 00:10:31,800 --> 00:10:36,080 Speaker 3: all the OTAs and everything else. Yeah, so it's gonna 202 00:10:36,080 --> 00:10:38,120 Speaker 3: be very interesting to see how the Vikings handle it all. 203 00:10:38,160 --> 00:10:41,360 Speaker 1: Right now, what's what's important to me and I think 204 00:10:41,440 --> 00:10:44,600 Speaker 1: us because you coached and played the game, is the 205 00:10:44,679 --> 00:10:48,079 Speaker 1: ability to go under center for a quarterback, turn your 206 00:10:48,080 --> 00:10:51,200 Speaker 1: back on the defense, execute play action, and be able 207 00:10:51,240 --> 00:10:53,520 Speaker 1: to do it on first end or second down when 208 00:10:53,600 --> 00:10:56,120 Speaker 1: when Jefferson's getting the majority of his of his. 209 00:10:56,160 --> 00:10:57,920 Speaker 2: Heavy, heavy, heavy coverage. 210 00:10:58,280 --> 00:11:01,439 Speaker 1: In twenty twenty four with Darnold, the Vikings were the 211 00:11:01,480 --> 00:11:06,960 Speaker 1: best passing team under center on first down. Last year, 212 00:11:07,240 --> 00:11:11,040 Speaker 1: they were the third worst in the NFL with the 213 00:11:11,120 --> 00:11:15,560 Speaker 1: quarterback going under center on first down. Why is a 214 00:11:15,640 --> 00:11:19,360 Speaker 1: quarterback being able to play under center so. 215 00:11:19,240 --> 00:11:28,560 Speaker 3: Important because the defenses it's just harder on defense to adapt. 216 00:11:28,640 --> 00:11:30,760 Speaker 3: You kind of have to show, you have to kind 217 00:11:30,760 --> 00:11:33,480 Speaker 3: of tip what you're going to do right when the 218 00:11:33,559 --> 00:11:37,520 Speaker 3: quarterbacks hunder center. Obviously the run threat is there. You 219 00:11:37,559 --> 00:11:40,840 Speaker 3: can't disguise as much. It's a little bit harder to blitz. 220 00:11:41,679 --> 00:11:44,920 Speaker 3: The play action game is there, which means if you 221 00:11:45,120 --> 00:11:49,199 Speaker 3: play fake, you can keep eight guys in for protection, right, 222 00:11:49,240 --> 00:11:51,440 Speaker 3: five linemen, a tight end and two running backs if 223 00:11:51,440 --> 00:11:54,960 Speaker 3: that's what you choose to do so, and then basing 224 00:11:55,040 --> 00:11:58,920 Speaker 3: routes and things off of off of the running game 225 00:11:58,960 --> 00:12:02,760 Speaker 3: that you have. So that game, that shell game, uh 226 00:12:03,360 --> 00:12:05,440 Speaker 3: is like I when I talk about the identity of 227 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:08,080 Speaker 3: the offense, that's that's what I meet. You get the 228 00:12:08,080 --> 00:12:10,360 Speaker 3: linebackers underneath the step up and then you're throwing a 229 00:12:10,400 --> 00:12:12,160 Speaker 3: dig in behind it in the middle of the field. 230 00:12:12,200 --> 00:12:14,080 Speaker 3: That puts a lot of stress on them. They've got 231 00:12:14,120 --> 00:12:17,000 Speaker 3: to turn and run. And nowadays, when you see so 232 00:12:17,160 --> 00:12:21,280 Speaker 3: many five man fronts, you play fake, you get all 233 00:12:21,360 --> 00:12:24,560 Speaker 3: five of the d linemen and then two linebackers stepping up. 234 00:12:24,880 --> 00:12:27,800 Speaker 3: Now all of a sudden, you only have a four 235 00:12:28,200 --> 00:12:31,839 Speaker 3: four guys in the defensive backfield covering a lot of ground. 236 00:12:31,880 --> 00:12:34,600 Speaker 3: And when you have a you know, a Jordan Addison 237 00:12:34,640 --> 00:12:38,000 Speaker 3: and jjit, you know and Justin Jefferson running with a 238 00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:40,520 Speaker 3: lot of space, they're going to get themselves open. So 239 00:12:40,600 --> 00:12:43,680 Speaker 3: I think that that's the big thing with success on 240 00:12:43,760 --> 00:12:47,560 Speaker 3: first and second down. Uh. Is is just eating up 241 00:12:47,600 --> 00:12:51,360 Speaker 3: that underneath coverage, getting your receivers, your athletes in space 242 00:12:51,440 --> 00:12:55,680 Speaker 3: one on one with with cornerbacks and or safeties. Uh 243 00:12:55,760 --> 00:13:00,440 Speaker 3: and being explosive. Paul, That's that's kind of the thing is. 244 00:13:00,520 --> 00:13:02,559 Speaker 3: It's not Dan, you know, we're not dinking and dunking 245 00:13:02,640 --> 00:13:05,200 Speaker 3: all the time. But this is an opportunity. And that's 246 00:13:05,240 --> 00:13:08,360 Speaker 3: the time. We remember against San Francisco two years ago 247 00:13:08,360 --> 00:13:10,280 Speaker 3: with Darnold Man, he just heaved that thing up and 248 00:13:10,320 --> 00:13:13,800 Speaker 3: it was ninety seven yards. I mean, that's Those are 249 00:13:13,840 --> 00:13:15,440 Speaker 3: the kinds of shots that you have to take every 250 00:13:15,480 --> 00:13:19,000 Speaker 3: once in a while, and and that's why that's again 251 00:13:19,200 --> 00:13:20,920 Speaker 3: been part of the identity of this offense. 252 00:13:21,679 --> 00:13:23,520 Speaker 2: Thank you very much for the time. I have an 253 00:13:23,559 --> 00:13:24,400 Speaker 2: excellent weekend. 254 00:13:24,440 --> 00:13:27,400 Speaker 1: And by the way, when you and Robert Smith start 255 00:13:27,440 --> 00:13:29,079 Speaker 1: this podcast, please let us know. 256 00:13:29,080 --> 00:13:30,480 Speaker 2: Sawia Kanevy on the radio. 257 00:13:30,520 --> 00:13:34,319 Speaker 3: Okay, all right, Episode one's already out, so we'll get 258 00:13:34,360 --> 00:13:37,360 Speaker 3: you uh well, yeah, oh that'd be fantastic. 259 00:13:37,880 --> 00:13:38,640 Speaker 2: We'll do it right now. 260 00:13:38,800 --> 00:13:43,320 Speaker 1: Touch It's YouTube Pepe pete Ursage five six. In the 261 00:13:43,320 --> 00:13:46,000 Speaker 1: search bar, you'll see a podcast Eye in the Sky 262 00:13:46,160 --> 00:13:49,199 Speaker 1: and the first podcast with a Pete Pursag and Robert 263 00:13:49,240 --> 00:13:52,559 Speaker 1: Smith available right now, Marathon segments nine to noon or 264 00:13:52,600 --> 00:13:56,120 Speaker 1: courtesy of Steve's Appliances and Steve's Appliances dot Com. A 265 00:13:56,160 --> 00:13:59,280 Speaker 1: break from the Kyler Covenant and the Great Dane Moore 266 00:13:59,559 --> 00:14:03,200 Speaker 1: very smart with the Timberwolves and the NBA. He joins 267 00:14:03,280 --> 00:14:05,319 Speaker 1: us to talk about what I deem to be a 268 00:14:05,800 --> 00:14:21,480 Speaker 1: massive Minnesota Timberwolves game tonight. That's next, and here too 269 00:14:21,600 --> 00:14:26,200 Speaker 1: break down Kyler Murray's intermediate passing while going under center 270 00:14:26,240 --> 00:14:30,240 Speaker 1: on first down and facing a seven man front is 271 00:14:30,440 --> 00:14:34,640 Speaker 1: Daye Moore of the Danemore Podcast, NBA podcast and to 272 00:14:34,680 --> 00:14:38,560 Speaker 1: add Dayemore NBA via x And as we mentioned, they're 273 00:14:38,600 --> 00:14:41,280 Speaker 1: just a couple of breaks from the Kyler the Creator 274 00:14:41,360 --> 00:14:42,160 Speaker 1: covenant today. 275 00:14:42,520 --> 00:14:43,360 Speaker 2: This is one of them. 276 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:46,400 Speaker 1: I deem it important and I think tonight is a 277 00:14:46,600 --> 00:14:50,760 Speaker 1: massive game against the Golden State Warriors. Dane, how big 278 00:14:50,800 --> 00:14:53,280 Speaker 1: do you find tonight's game against the Warriors to be? 279 00:14:53,360 --> 00:14:53,960 Speaker 3: In Good morning? 280 00:14:55,680 --> 00:14:58,440 Speaker 4: Good morning man? Yeah, sorry to the listeners that are 281 00:14:59,000 --> 00:15:01,040 Speaker 4: tuned into k right now, I'll be like, I gotta 282 00:15:01,120 --> 00:15:04,000 Speaker 4: hear what Pa is saying about Kyler. We're not going 283 00:15:04,040 --> 00:15:05,360 Speaker 4: to do that for a second. 284 00:15:05,360 --> 00:15:05,560 Speaker 7: Here. 285 00:15:06,320 --> 00:15:09,600 Speaker 4: But as for the Wolves tonight, I mean, it would 286 00:15:09,600 --> 00:15:11,560 Speaker 4: be horrific if they're lost to the Warriors. I was 287 00:15:11,680 --> 00:15:14,480 Speaker 4: just looking up their last game. They played the Bulls. 288 00:15:14,800 --> 00:15:17,720 Speaker 4: They lost to the Chicago Bulls, and in that game, 289 00:15:18,200 --> 00:15:21,360 Speaker 4: Leonard Miller and Rob Dillingham combined to play for fifty 290 00:15:21,400 --> 00:15:25,320 Speaker 4: eight minutes. So the Warriors just lost to that team. 291 00:15:25,880 --> 00:15:28,720 Speaker 4: I do not think that they will beat the Wolves tonight. 292 00:15:28,840 --> 00:15:32,720 Speaker 4: But you've been watching this it's it's been a mess recently, 293 00:15:33,280 --> 00:15:35,800 Speaker 4: so tonight I guess it's an opportunity to not let 294 00:15:35,800 --> 00:15:36,600 Speaker 4: the mes get worse. 295 00:15:36,760 --> 00:15:39,840 Speaker 1: I mean, if FIK a Fairness and Competition Act, you 296 00:15:40,000 --> 00:15:42,680 Speaker 1: know this because you follow it as close, if not 297 00:15:42,720 --> 00:15:43,800 Speaker 1: closer than anybody. 298 00:15:44,040 --> 00:15:46,680 Speaker 2: Orlando is better than people think. 299 00:15:46,720 --> 00:15:47,040 Speaker 3: All right. 300 00:15:47,080 --> 00:15:49,920 Speaker 1: Now, they had a spine tingler against Washington, but that happens. 301 00:15:49,960 --> 00:15:52,760 Speaker 1: But especially when they get Wagner back. I mean, they've 302 00:15:52,800 --> 00:15:55,680 Speaker 1: done the Desmond Baine trade is working, and it's working 303 00:15:55,720 --> 00:15:58,320 Speaker 1: for Bankero their top They play good defense. 304 00:15:58,800 --> 00:15:59,880 Speaker 2: You still shouldn't lose by. 305 00:15:59,840 --> 00:16:02,760 Speaker 1: Own almost thirty at home on a Saturday to Orlando, 306 00:16:02,840 --> 00:16:05,600 Speaker 1: but you did the second half of the Lakers game 307 00:16:05,960 --> 00:16:08,560 Speaker 1: that I mean, the Lakers went all lights out in 308 00:16:08,640 --> 00:16:11,520 Speaker 1: the second half and then the Clippers. 309 00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:14,760 Speaker 2: The Clippers are playing quite well right now. And Kawhisa Hall. 310 00:16:14,640 --> 00:16:17,440 Speaker 1: Of Famer, you're so right about tonight with know Steph 311 00:16:17,480 --> 00:16:21,120 Speaker 1: Curry uh and and the massive nature of tonight's game. 312 00:16:21,440 --> 00:16:24,360 Speaker 1: What what what are you deeming the problems to be 313 00:16:25,200 --> 00:16:28,600 Speaker 1: that that Finch's team has had, specifically the last three 314 00:16:28,600 --> 00:16:29,960 Speaker 1: when they keep getting blown out. 315 00:16:32,120 --> 00:16:34,080 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I'd like to just kind of talk 316 00:16:34,120 --> 00:16:35,520 Speaker 4: to about it because I think it's more of like 317 00:16:35,560 --> 00:16:40,880 Speaker 4: a philosophical sort of coaching thing, right, like being in 318 00:16:40,880 --> 00:16:42,560 Speaker 4: the locker room and being around this team. Man, I 319 00:16:42,600 --> 00:16:46,280 Speaker 4: can't tell you how many times the answer to what 320 00:16:46,320 --> 00:16:49,400 Speaker 4: went wrong tonight has been we didn't follow the game plan. 321 00:16:49,480 --> 00:16:51,480 Speaker 4: The coaches gave us exactly what we needed to do 322 00:16:51,560 --> 00:16:54,120 Speaker 4: against this opponent. We didn't go out there and actually, yeah, 323 00:16:54,240 --> 00:16:55,960 Speaker 4: do that. You know, you hear that a couple of times. 324 00:16:55,960 --> 00:16:58,800 Speaker 4: That kind of sounds like, right, whatever the cliches you 325 00:16:58,840 --> 00:17:00,680 Speaker 4: hear in the locker room. But I'm Tony dude. I've 326 00:17:00,680 --> 00:17:04,280 Speaker 4: heard that, like, yeah, twenty times this season. So I 327 00:17:04,320 --> 00:17:07,800 Speaker 4: think that's the interesting question right now of like why 328 00:17:07,920 --> 00:17:11,720 Speaker 4: isn't the game plan resonating? Why isn't what Finch and 329 00:17:11,800 --> 00:17:14,280 Speaker 4: the coaching staff wants them to do, going out and 330 00:17:14,320 --> 00:17:19,520 Speaker 4: being and being executed. I think there's there's blame to 331 00:17:19,560 --> 00:17:22,000 Speaker 4: put on both sides there. I just, you know, never 332 00:17:22,040 --> 00:17:24,800 Speaker 4: having been a coach or an NBA player, right, I 333 00:17:24,840 --> 00:17:28,520 Speaker 4: don't know exactly who to prescribe more blame to there, 334 00:17:28,560 --> 00:17:31,600 Speaker 4: but from being around the team that's been kind of 335 00:17:31,600 --> 00:17:33,760 Speaker 4: the through line of the season is when this dips, 336 00:17:34,280 --> 00:17:37,240 Speaker 4: it's the players acknowledging we're not doing what. 337 00:17:37,200 --> 00:17:41,159 Speaker 1: The coaches are saying that that is so perfectly laid out, 338 00:17:41,200 --> 00:17:43,240 Speaker 1: And I'm glad you did it that way, because yeah. 339 00:17:43,160 --> 00:17:46,160 Speaker 2: I mean, I'm I'm not in the locker room. 340 00:17:45,880 --> 00:17:48,560 Speaker 1: Ever, but I mean, and you covered the team at 341 00:17:48,800 --> 00:17:52,440 Speaker 1: Dane Moore NBA to learn more and the podcasting on 342 00:17:52,480 --> 00:17:55,480 Speaker 1: the Timberwolves. I've said this before. Dane Moore does such 343 00:17:55,480 --> 00:17:58,160 Speaker 1: a good job with that, and they mix in league 344 00:17:58,160 --> 00:18:00,359 Speaker 1: wide NBA stuff so you can find that fee of 345 00:18:00,359 --> 00:18:05,040 Speaker 1: the X feed. I think Dante DiVincenzo after the I 346 00:18:05,040 --> 00:18:07,199 Speaker 1: think it was after the Clippers game or or no, 347 00:18:07,320 --> 00:18:09,560 Speaker 1: after the Lakers game, kind of nailed it when he 348 00:18:09,640 --> 00:18:10,800 Speaker 1: said the same thing we've heard. 349 00:18:10,800 --> 00:18:11,520 Speaker 2: We've heard a bunch. 350 00:18:11,760 --> 00:18:14,440 Speaker 1: Julius rant, well, go Bear went really down the road 351 00:18:14,480 --> 00:18:17,120 Speaker 1: on it about that we're not following the plan. Uh 352 00:18:17,160 --> 00:18:19,159 Speaker 1: but de Vincenzo and I know you know this, but 353 00:18:19,200 --> 00:18:22,720 Speaker 1: for those who missed it said, we are so talented, 354 00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:25,600 Speaker 1: and we know that we are talented enough to beat 355 00:18:25,680 --> 00:18:28,200 Speaker 1: a lot of teams, a lot of Knights, but that's 356 00:18:28,240 --> 00:18:30,199 Speaker 1: not the case all the time. And if we're not 357 00:18:30,320 --> 00:18:33,480 Speaker 1: following the plan, then we lose and we get blown out. 358 00:18:33,920 --> 00:18:38,320 Speaker 1: So it's I mean, it's it's in essence free will 359 00:18:38,440 --> 00:18:39,720 Speaker 1: against Finchy's will. 360 00:18:40,200 --> 00:18:43,600 Speaker 2: And it continues to to. 361 00:18:43,640 --> 00:18:46,960 Speaker 1: See the way of the players basically like bleep this man, 362 00:18:47,200 --> 00:18:49,480 Speaker 1: Let's just go out and ball, But that's when the 363 00:18:49,520 --> 00:18:52,639 Speaker 1: ball gets as finch as sticky and and things happen 364 00:18:52,760 --> 00:18:54,359 Speaker 1: that just don't lead to winning. 365 00:18:54,560 --> 00:18:56,160 Speaker 2: Is that fairly laid out? 366 00:18:57,320 --> 00:18:58,800 Speaker 7: Yeah, and I think. 367 00:18:58,560 --> 00:19:01,200 Speaker 4: You can again, I think this is a blame pie 368 00:19:01,240 --> 00:19:04,080 Speaker 4: that I don't understand how to split it all up there, 369 00:19:04,080 --> 00:19:05,840 Speaker 4: I do, but like it could point to throughout the 370 00:19:05,840 --> 00:19:08,800 Speaker 4: game as well, of like Finch talks all the time 371 00:19:08,880 --> 00:19:12,000 Speaker 4: about as he does with you right, of how important 372 00:19:12,040 --> 00:19:14,720 Speaker 4: it is to have Dante and Jaden involved in the 373 00:19:14,760 --> 00:19:17,560 Speaker 4: offense and you just need to, like he always says, 374 00:19:17,560 --> 00:19:20,480 Speaker 4: those guys need to be taking double digit chots the game. Well, 375 00:19:20,680 --> 00:19:23,000 Speaker 4: I mean some of that too, is like calling their number. 376 00:19:23,119 --> 00:19:25,600 Speaker 4: I know they won't have this free flowing offense. And Finch, 377 00:19:25,680 --> 00:19:27,679 Speaker 4: as he's talked to about a million times, he just 378 00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:29,199 Speaker 4: wants to make the right play in front of you. 379 00:19:29,240 --> 00:19:31,760 Speaker 4: And I get that. I understand what that philosophy is. 380 00:19:32,440 --> 00:19:35,399 Speaker 4: But if you think it's really important for Ant to 381 00:19:35,480 --> 00:19:38,080 Speaker 4: get the ball to Dante DiVincenzo off of a pin 382 00:19:38,200 --> 00:19:42,959 Speaker 4: down right right here, explicitly call that play, you know. 383 00:19:43,040 --> 00:19:46,719 Speaker 4: And sometimes I think it's like a beauty of Fitch's 384 00:19:46,800 --> 00:19:49,520 Speaker 4: coaching style, but also can be costly of like a 385 00:19:49,560 --> 00:19:52,560 Speaker 4: little bit too much room to roam and have Anthony 386 00:19:52,640 --> 00:19:54,600 Speaker 4: kind of figure that out on his own right there, 387 00:19:54,680 --> 00:19:57,960 Speaker 4: right And if it's Mike Conley, if it's Kyle Anderson, 388 00:19:58,040 --> 00:19:59,840 Speaker 4: if it's a player who has a lot of it 389 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:06,199 Speaker 4: experience playmaking on their own, sure like they can handle that. 390 00:20:06,400 --> 00:20:10,119 Speaker 4: But Ant is it's getting all the defensive attention he 391 00:20:10,280 --> 00:20:12,040 Speaker 4: is this season, but he's also being asked to play 392 00:20:12,040 --> 00:20:14,720 Speaker 4: point guard. And I didn't have expectations of Ant being 393 00:20:14,760 --> 00:20:18,520 Speaker 4: a incredible point guard this season, he's doing all the 394 00:20:18,560 --> 00:20:20,680 Speaker 4: other stuff. I think he just needs some help and 395 00:20:20,840 --> 00:20:23,480 Speaker 4: like getting them into the offense. And if Mike Conley's 396 00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:24,840 Speaker 4: not going to be out there to play point guard, 397 00:20:24,920 --> 00:20:27,840 Speaker 4: I think that is incumbent upon Finch to kind of 398 00:20:27,840 --> 00:20:31,200 Speaker 4: be that connection there, right, especially when Julius is struggling 399 00:20:31,200 --> 00:20:34,280 Speaker 4: and he can't be a guy that you're consistently playing through. 400 00:20:34,320 --> 00:20:36,720 Speaker 4: So I don't know, it's a web, but like Finch 401 00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:39,720 Speaker 4: is involved in that too. I don't think that's unfair 402 00:20:39,760 --> 00:20:40,040 Speaker 4: to say. 403 00:20:40,200 --> 00:20:43,240 Speaker 5: Yeah, well, as you lay that out and you guys 404 00:20:43,280 --> 00:20:46,119 Speaker 5: talking about specifically the game plan and there's fault on 405 00:20:46,160 --> 00:20:48,680 Speaker 5: both sides you mentioned, I was going to ask you, 406 00:20:48,680 --> 00:20:51,199 Speaker 5: you know, how difficult is during a losing stretch like 407 00:20:51,240 --> 00:20:53,600 Speaker 5: this when it feels like are they trying to be 408 00:20:53,680 --> 00:20:55,840 Speaker 5: push button while they're not pushing the button and there's 409 00:20:55,840 --> 00:20:59,000 Speaker 5: disconnects on running the game plan, et cetera. Julius Randall 410 00:20:59,080 --> 00:21:01,520 Speaker 5: is having a tough time right now de Vincenzo up 411 00:21:01,560 --> 00:21:04,240 Speaker 5: and down recently, despite some really good. 412 00:21:04,040 --> 00:21:04,760 Speaker 2: Bursts within that. 413 00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:07,960 Speaker 5: So how easy or difficult is it for you to 414 00:21:08,080 --> 00:21:10,919 Speaker 5: really analyze what you're getting or not getting out of 415 00:21:10,960 --> 00:21:14,600 Speaker 5: a Randle at this stage given that overlining more global 416 00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:18,159 Speaker 5: conversation of disconnects with the team. 417 00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:21,480 Speaker 4: I mean, I think I'm biased, but I think it's 418 00:21:21,520 --> 00:21:27,000 Speaker 4: one of the most like confusing teams ever. It really is, 419 00:21:27,040 --> 00:21:30,040 Speaker 4: because dude, was a week ago, vibes were high, They're 420 00:21:30,040 --> 00:21:32,960 Speaker 4: on a five game winning streak, and they've just beaten 421 00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:35,560 Speaker 4: the good Toronto team at home, looking like the best 422 00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:38,920 Speaker 4: version of themselves. And then it's these three games twenty 423 00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:41,359 Speaker 4: seven point lost Orlando, you got punked by the Lakers 424 00:21:41,359 --> 00:21:44,119 Speaker 4: and you got smacked by the Clippers. Like what am 425 00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:47,439 Speaker 4: I supposed to do with that? That's very confusing for me, 426 00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:49,880 Speaker 4: of like where am I supposed to point my arrow here? 427 00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:52,520 Speaker 4: It would be wrong to keep both of my feet 428 00:21:52,560 --> 00:21:55,480 Speaker 4: in a five game winning streak pool and then also 429 00:21:55,720 --> 00:21:58,520 Speaker 4: by ignoring the three game losing streak, And we've done 430 00:21:58,560 --> 00:22:00,679 Speaker 4: this like ten times this season. So that's why I 431 00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:05,800 Speaker 4: am extremely on a personal level, like confused about what 432 00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:08,240 Speaker 4: even is the expectation of this team? What is a 433 00:22:08,280 --> 00:22:11,480 Speaker 4: reasonable expectation of this team? I don't know. We keep 434 00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:14,640 Speaker 4: saying Western Conference Finals over and over again because they've 435 00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:16,800 Speaker 4: been there twice in a row. I'm just saying, if 436 00:22:16,840 --> 00:22:19,320 Speaker 4: I was watching this team play, and it wasn't the 437 00:22:19,359 --> 00:22:21,520 Speaker 4: team I was covering, and I was seeing this volatility, 438 00:22:21,880 --> 00:22:24,320 Speaker 4: I would go, what you think, this team's going to 439 00:22:24,320 --> 00:22:27,000 Speaker 4: the conference finals again. But at the same time, I 440 00:22:27,040 --> 00:22:29,720 Speaker 4: watched them mess around like this the last two seasons 441 00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:32,000 Speaker 4: at times and still go to the conference finals. So 442 00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:34,480 Speaker 4: I don't know what to make of it. Man, it's confusing. 443 00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:37,320 Speaker 2: What do you think of Anthony Edwards defensive light. 444 00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:43,480 Speaker 4: So bad, so disappointing. I mean, they just they didn't 445 00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:47,479 Speaker 4: need it right, like in what you've lost from losing 446 00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:53,959 Speaker 4: the keel and just needing additional perimeter defenders and you know, 447 00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:57,119 Speaker 4: a kind of settling into the stand around like Luca 448 00:22:57,160 --> 00:22:59,720 Speaker 4: and Harden do sort of thing. I get there's a 449 00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:01,200 Speaker 4: ton of on his plate. There's too much on his 450 00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:03,439 Speaker 4: play for him to play really good defense and to 451 00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:05,480 Speaker 4: be the point guard in the score thirty for this team. 452 00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:09,040 Speaker 4: But it just has to be a lot better in 453 00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:12,720 Speaker 4: the playoffs. That's like a non negotiable. He will need 454 00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:15,000 Speaker 4: to be substantially more locked in on defense in the 455 00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:17,440 Speaker 4: playoffs to do so what you've seen him do at times. 456 00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:21,679 Speaker 4: I just wonder if you start letting patterns sort of 457 00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:24,040 Speaker 4: sink in right. Is it harder to flip that switch 458 00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:26,679 Speaker 4: and be a competitive defender for forty minutes a night 459 00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:28,640 Speaker 4: in the playoffs if you haven't been doing it during 460 00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:29,359 Speaker 4: the regular season. 461 00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:33,719 Speaker 5: Now, with that said, talk about difficult if we remove 462 00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:36,400 Speaker 5: the confusing nature of it and we just say, okay, well, 463 00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:39,240 Speaker 5: here's what Finching company have put together. You know, whether 464 00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:41,760 Speaker 5: it's the you mentioned in not getting anything out of 465 00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:45,440 Speaker 5: commonly so we got playing way more point and being 466 00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:47,560 Speaker 5: in a role that he shouldn't be, et cetera. 467 00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:48,720 Speaker 2: What do you think of? 468 00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:51,399 Speaker 5: Okay, well, bones has a pulse on a more nightly 469 00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:52,640 Speaker 5: or consistent basis. 470 00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:54,320 Speaker 2: Hey, Slow Mo's back. 471 00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:56,400 Speaker 5: And they're kind of inching him into the mix as 472 00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:58,960 Speaker 5: far as this is constructed, at some point when this 473 00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:01,879 Speaker 5: freaking thing is going in the right direction, do you 474 00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:06,320 Speaker 5: like and can you understand what has been presented as 475 00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:10,040 Speaker 5: as what will be the playoff roster for the Wolves? 476 00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:13,240 Speaker 4: I mean, I understand it, and I get how we 477 00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:15,480 Speaker 4: got here, and I think they've kind of if it 478 00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:18,720 Speaker 4: was if it was a need to let Nikhil Alexander 479 00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:21,320 Speaker 4: Walker go as they did, right, because they would be 480 00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:24,560 Speaker 4: a way up in the second apron If we understand 481 00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:27,320 Speaker 4: that premise that you had to let Nikhil Alexander Walker go. 482 00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:31,520 Speaker 4: Then I don't hate what they've done, you know, with 483 00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:33,320 Speaker 4: with the roster around there, I think they've rounded it 484 00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:36,280 Speaker 4: out well in ways with I would assume move Bones 485 00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:40,040 Speaker 4: Highland and bringing back Kyle Anderson. You got like some 486 00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:43,240 Speaker 4: point guard ish play from those guys, but it is 487 00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:45,760 Speaker 4: very different than my comedy. And I think what the 488 00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:50,040 Speaker 4: Steamer is missing. It's my comedy from three years ago, right, 489 00:24:50,119 --> 00:24:52,960 Speaker 4: and that doesn't like Conley third April my Commley do 490 00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:55,920 Speaker 4: not do that. But I don't think iowa assume Mouve Bones, 491 00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:59,320 Speaker 4: Thailand or Kyle Anderson can really provide that for this team. 492 00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:02,639 Speaker 4: Ither I I find I find myself watching this game, 493 00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:07,040 Speaker 4: leaving the games wanting, you know, more, more point guard play, 494 00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:09,440 Speaker 4: and and I think Finch wants that too. I think 495 00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:12,200 Speaker 4: Tim Connley wants that too. I I don't. I don't 496 00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:15,080 Speaker 4: think it was necessarily an oversight. I think it's just 497 00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:18,560 Speaker 4: putting together a roster year after year that you that 498 00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:20,600 Speaker 4: you have almost all the whole Still it's just a 499 00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:22,480 Speaker 4: really difficult thing to do in the NBA. I think 500 00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:23,720 Speaker 4: especially today's. 501 00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:28,160 Speaker 1: NBA is is Julius Randall fully engaged in the situation 502 00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:30,879 Speaker 1: right now or is he? Is he just off and 503 00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:34,040 Speaker 1: which doesn't mean he can't be back on. But what 504 00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:35,000 Speaker 1: do you think of that whole thing? 505 00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:38,800 Speaker 4: Well, can I ask you what do you think on that? 506 00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:39,720 Speaker 6: Well? 507 00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:44,560 Speaker 1: I think that when there are certain things that happen 508 00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:48,600 Speaker 1: during the course of the game, he gets overly frustrated 509 00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:52,159 Speaker 1: and gets slow up and down the court, and like 510 00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:54,320 Speaker 1: after the I think it was the Lakers game, he's like, 511 00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:59,879 Speaker 1: we played too slow. Well, he contributes to that at times, 512 00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:02,919 Speaker 1: and and they're kind then they kind of plot at times. Anyway, 513 00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:06,040 Speaker 1: with Gobert, they're they're not they don't have the most alacrity. 514 00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:08,560 Speaker 1: They're not the speediest team up and down the court 515 00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:11,560 Speaker 1: in the NBA. That that's my take on it. Without 516 00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:13,800 Speaker 1: talking to anybody about it, you would know more than me. 517 00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:17,520 Speaker 4: Yeah, No, I mean, I just say it because I 518 00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:19,320 Speaker 4: think it's one of those things that we're all seeing. 519 00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:22,160 Speaker 4: The sample size is large enough that if you've watched 520 00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:25,480 Speaker 4: a handful of the last thirty Wolves games, you've probably 521 00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:29,479 Speaker 4: been disappointed in what you've seen from Julius Random more 522 00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:32,439 Speaker 4: than once. Right, not just from an effectiveness standpoint, but 523 00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:35,240 Speaker 4: from a you know, a kind of body language standpoint 524 00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:38,040 Speaker 4: and energy standpoint out there, and I think I think 525 00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:41,480 Speaker 4: that's I think that's what the season rides on. Man, 526 00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:45,080 Speaker 4: as this roster is currently constructed. I remember being in 527 00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:47,240 Speaker 4: Memphis a few weeks ago, I mean it's about a 528 00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:47,640 Speaker 4: month ago. 529 00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:49,960 Speaker 7: Is after the All Star after the All Star Game, 530 00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:53,159 Speaker 7: and I asked, I asked Pinch just about Julius and 531 00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:55,520 Speaker 7: he didn't make the All Star team, and and Think said, 532 00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:58,240 Speaker 7: he is our most important player. 533 00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:02,080 Speaker 4: And I was like kind of sitting there like WHOA. 534 00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:04,760 Speaker 4: But as I was thinking about it more and given 535 00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:06,960 Speaker 4: that they don't have a point guard and the frequency 536 00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:08,840 Speaker 4: that they need to play through Julius, he is so 537 00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:11,560 Speaker 4: important to their offense, right he is that second score. 538 00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:14,080 Speaker 4: Who else is that going to be? And then defensively 539 00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:17,479 Speaker 4: they need him, like if they play Victor Webbinyama in 540 00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:22,080 Speaker 4: the playoffs, he's Garden Webby, He's guarden Kevin Durant, he's 541 00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:25,760 Speaker 4: guarding Jokic. Like Julius Randall is just so critical that 542 00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:28,359 Speaker 4: to this team is currently constructed that I think it 543 00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:32,520 Speaker 4: should be extraordinarily concerning what we've seen from him and 544 00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:38,200 Speaker 4: that stuff that you are describing a lot recently, but 545 00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:40,840 Speaker 4: it's like one thing you want to cry about it 546 00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:43,200 Speaker 4: right now. Like I don't know is there's no more 547 00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:45,199 Speaker 4: trade deadlines. He's on the team for the rest of 548 00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:47,680 Speaker 4: the way here. I don't know what the answer is 549 00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:50,399 Speaker 4: other than to try to get back to the version 550 00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:53,399 Speaker 4: of Julius Randall you had the first fifteen games of 551 00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:55,520 Speaker 4: the season, which was an All Star caliber player. 552 00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:59,200 Speaker 5: This is probably as dumb a question as you'll get today, 553 00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:02,879 Speaker 5: but I'm curious mentioned in earlier just the the maybe 554 00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:05,399 Speaker 5: a lack of connection between whether it's the coach and 555 00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:08,199 Speaker 5: it's the game plan, the players, the push button, the 556 00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:12,480 Speaker 5: talent hold who is the most emotionally boring person on 557 00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:14,840 Speaker 5: this team, Because there's an aspect of this Dane where 558 00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:17,040 Speaker 5: I see it as an outsider, and I think to myself, 559 00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:21,800 Speaker 5: the emotional drive, the vibe or the aura that kind 560 00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:23,879 Speaker 5: of fuels moments with this team. 561 00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:25,960 Speaker 2: I just wonder who the boring. 562 00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:27,600 Speaker 5: Guy is in the mix, and if we can find 563 00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:31,520 Speaker 5: a way to kind of amplify and stabilize maybe the 564 00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:35,320 Speaker 5: emotions surrounding the night by night ups and downs of 565 00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:36,640 Speaker 5: the Minnesota Timberwolves. 566 00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:40,480 Speaker 4: It's an interesting question and I'm kind of cyclist. Do 567 00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:42,520 Speaker 4: it as you talk. I think the answer of guys 568 00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:45,720 Speaker 4: who play is Iowa super. I think he's the least 569 00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:48,600 Speaker 4: emotionally right. I don't know. It seems like to me, 570 00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:51,440 Speaker 4: you go through rudigo. I've heard him say about three 571 00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:56,480 Speaker 4: or four things this season. I've watched Julians random play Jaden. 572 00:28:56,920 --> 00:29:01,160 Speaker 4: He wears it on his sleeve too. He's oh, punching wall. 573 00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:04,080 Speaker 4: Stuff hasn't stopped. You know, there was a blocker room 574 00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:07,000 Speaker 4: I walked into where the there was a broken mirror, 575 00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:09,880 Speaker 4: and I'm pretty sure I know where that came from. 576 00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:12,720 Speaker 4: It's just it's a kind of crazy team that way. 577 00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:14,360 Speaker 4: It's kind of fun. I kind of like it about 578 00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:17,880 Speaker 4: the teams. There's something a little like interesting about the 579 00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:22,120 Speaker 4: about the volatility. But yeah, not a lot of not 580 00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:24,720 Speaker 4: a lot of individuals were stabilizing, which again, so I 581 00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:27,360 Speaker 4: put back to Mike Conley, like, thirty five year old 582 00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:30,200 Speaker 4: Mike Conley would be huge for this team because he 583 00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:32,840 Speaker 4: he he's like the emblem of what you're what you're 584 00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:33,440 Speaker 4: talking about. 585 00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:36,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, uh, Dane, you are so good at what you do, man, 586 00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:38,800 Speaker 1: and thank you very much for the time. Enjoy the 587 00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:41,360 Speaker 1: game tonight and a Sunday at Okac and we'll catch 588 00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:44,920 Speaker 1: up soon. Okay, all right, thank you see I'm at 589 00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:48,040 Speaker 1: Dane Moore NBA via X. By the way, the Timberwolves 590 00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:51,040 Speaker 1: and the Warriors tonight, massive massive game U. Then they 591 00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:54,800 Speaker 1: played the Champions this Sunday. It's a matt nae at Okac. 592 00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:58,120 Speaker 1: Both those games are on f M one hundred point 593 00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:02,080 Speaker 1: three k f a M along with the dedicated Timberwolves 594 00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:06,880 Speaker 1: channel via the iHeart Audio app. It's eleven forty four. 595 00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:09,480 Speaker 1: We put a wrap on the Kyler Covenant around the 596 00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:15,600 Speaker 1: corner on kfaut CUEI. 597 00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:19,960 Speaker 2: This is a stitch from Ohio. I'm very excited about Kyler. 598 00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:23,080 Speaker 8: Murray, but I think one key thing for him starting 599 00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:25,320 Speaker 8: the season will be that teams are going to try 600 00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:28,560 Speaker 8: to keep him in the pocket because of his athletic ability. 601 00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:32,200 Speaker 8: So I think it's critical that we get a strong 602 00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:34,480 Speaker 8: investment in that interior line. 603 00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:39,280 Speaker 1: I like his success, all right, gold right, A man 604 00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:43,640 Speaker 1: like the deduction. I'd have to believe teams have been 605 00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:47,600 Speaker 1: attempting to keep Kyler Murray in the pocket a majority 606 00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:50,400 Speaker 1: of his career. You would like to think that that 607 00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:52,840 Speaker 1: coaches and he have found a way to work around that, 608 00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:56,240 Speaker 1: but that absolutely will be that will have some a 609 00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:58,320 Speaker 1: topic to it, and we'll hear a lot about it 610 00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:00,440 Speaker 1: during the course of the season when like when we 611 00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:04,360 Speaker 1: chat with O'Connell on Tuesdays. And Kyler Murray also has 612 00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:08,600 Speaker 1: a rather famous cousin who plays in the NFL. In fact, 613 00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:10,920 Speaker 1: I think he still plays in our division unless he 614 00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:12,600 Speaker 1: left via free agency. 615 00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:16,200 Speaker 2: Anybody happen to know who it is, cousin? It's this 616 00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:18,600 Speaker 2: guy a Breiker kicking it to the east side of 617 00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:20,240 Speaker 2: the US Bank Stadium. 618 00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:24,720 Speaker 1: Boom, a shorter kick by design Dubernay from his own 619 00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:27,040 Speaker 1: three heads right by ten fifteen twenty. 620 00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:30,360 Speaker 6: It's a knife buck from Blackwell, Eric Wilson trying to 621 00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:34,400 Speaker 6: running down with the record and just blockwell, make that 622 00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:41,080 Speaker 6: Devin DuVernay out of bounds, deepened Vikings territory. Devin DuVernay 623 00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:46,880 Speaker 6: with a cold blooded return of fifty seven yards. 624 00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:47,720 Speaker 2: Devin DuVernay. 625 00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:52,440 Speaker 1: Kyler Murray's cousin got a Kyler cousin covenant right here 626 00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:53,480 Speaker 1: in the division, don't we. 627 00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:56,520 Speaker 5: Well, I think I think he's just open for business 628 00:31:56,600 --> 00:32:00,600 Speaker 5: right now. He may be a was a one year 629 00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:03,760 Speaker 5: deal last year, geez, but nobody's biting so maybe. 630 00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:04,360 Speaker 2: He comes back on. 631 00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:07,640 Speaker 5: Maybe maybe he makes one point three million dollars this 632 00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:09,400 Speaker 5: year as a lead minimum too. 633 00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:14,040 Speaker 1: A couple of things to close here, the with I 634 00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:16,600 Speaker 1: got some Oh yeah, I can't. I can't mention it, 635 00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:18,760 Speaker 1: and then you know, not pay it off just because 636 00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:21,640 Speaker 1: everybody thinks it's so important. So I went deep diving 637 00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:26,640 Speaker 1: on it. What it involves is you like quarterbacks with 638 00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:30,520 Speaker 1: big hands. Okay, Donovan McNabb had what was known as 639 00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:31,080 Speaker 1: meat hooks. 640 00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:31,760 Speaker 3: All right. 641 00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:35,200 Speaker 1: The run here was terrible, but Donovan had a good career. 642 00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:36,960 Speaker 1: Brett Farv had meat hooks. 643 00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:37,400 Speaker 2: Yeah. 644 00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:41,080 Speaker 1: Dante Culpepper was chastised for having small hands when he 645 00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:46,760 Speaker 1: was here. Now, Kyler Murray's hand size the is a 646 00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:50,840 Speaker 1: nine and a half inch hand span. Okay, the average 647 00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:54,920 Speaker 1: man hand span is seven and a half inches. Kyler 648 00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:58,640 Speaker 1: Murray's not an average man. Nine and a half corresponds 649 00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:02,400 Speaker 1: to an extra large jaglove. So maybe his nickname is 650 00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:05,440 Speaker 1: not Kyler the Creator or k One, it's meat Hooks 651 00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:09,360 Speaker 1: due to his abnormally large hand size. Now nine and 652 00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:13,040 Speaker 1: a half inch hands and that span are considered large, 653 00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:16,520 Speaker 1: very large for a man who is five foot ten. 654 00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:20,560 Speaker 1: Dante Culpepper at six', four had a handspan of nine 655 00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:23,800 Speaker 1: and a half, inches and that was considered small for his, 656 00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:28,400 Speaker 1: size so nine and a half inch Hands we got 657 00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:32,640 Speaker 1: some meat hooks with a new addition to The Minnesota vikings, 658 00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:37,680 Speaker 1: covenant and he has nine career pick. Sixes one went 659 00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:40,000 Speaker 1: to The vikings And Nick vigil in twenty twenty. 660 00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:41,680 Speaker 2: One i'm excited to shake his meat. 661 00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:45,040 Speaker 1: Hooks he threw one To New Bear Safety Kobe bryant 662 00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:48,200 Speaker 1: a couple of years. Ago AND i think we've pretty 663 00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:51,560 Speaker 1: much told you about everything you need to know Regarding Kyler. 664 00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:55,280 Speaker 1: Murray yours truly is in love With Juwan jennings absolutely 665 00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:58,040 Speaker 1: does not expect The Minnesota vikings to sign him this. 666 00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:01,440 Speaker 1: Offseason Javon hargrave is a. Packer Jonathan allen as A 667 00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:04,320 Speaker 1: bengal and May god bless you and all of your. 668 00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:06,680 Speaker 1: Families thank you very much for listening to nine To 669 00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:07,120 Speaker 1: noon Per. 670 00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:11,880 Speaker 2: Nordo I'm Paul. Allen have a great. Weekend bye nine To. 671 00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:15,640 Speaker 2: Noon if it's good news or, money leave the 672 00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:18,960 Speaker 4: Podcast Today's Paul Allen, show or listen back to previous 673 00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:22,760 Speaker 4: show and interviews like going to The iHeartRadio app ortfan 674 00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:23,560 Speaker 4: Dot com