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Speaker 1: Excuse me, Kevin Siefert, should we be devastated that Santa

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean they hosted him for a visit last week.

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Speaker 2: I think we both know that cornerback is not a

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Speaker 2: right now is a guy named Fabian Moreau who's a

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Speaker 2: for depth, and he's not bad in that sense, but

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Speaker 2: I think it suggests that they at least wanted to

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Speaker 2: and you know, there's a serious you know, he had

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Speaker 2: and obviously he's cleared by doctors or the Steelers wouldn't

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Speaker 1: He's not that old. I don't think the surgery is significant.

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Speaker 1: Well you looked it up the other day. Is like

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Speaker 1: I mean I could see you I would be worth

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Speaker 1: Are you aware of what happened on this day in

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Speaker 2: Was this the Dan Minnesota Post on the Randy Moss?

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Speaker 1: Yes, well, this was the story. We had a double bile.

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Speaker 1: That's why I'm bringing it up. I don't know how

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Speaker 1: And I don't even remember what I gave you, I

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Speaker 1: think because I don't think I gave you much for this,

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Speaker 2: Include No, my guess is I was way too selfish

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Speaker 1: It's sure. It's a statute of limitations running out of sourcing.

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Speaker 2: This is not like jeep throat unless the person is

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Speaker 1: What we're talking about is this was when Moss Randy

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Speaker 1: was after a Vikings loss to the Eagles. Ultimately fined

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Speaker 1: reads Moss fine revealed. Witnesses described November outburst on team

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Speaker 1: part because I don't think we had very many that

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Speaker 1: Would absolutely do it. Yeah, I've told this story. Before

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Speaker 2: Christian Darisaw said, they shouldn't have been remotely in that game,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it definitely worked on what's your best intel on

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Speaker 2: And he did take full responsibility. But I I think

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Speaker 2: You know, I don't know exactly what cadence they ran

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Speaker 1: Mitch Lawrence and owed the late great Lenny Wilkins with

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Speaker 1: Is that a play that if he's doing what we

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Speaker 2: He teely makes great catches and that would have been

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Speaker 2: Lever's opinion and turn. I mean, he's been out there

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Speaker 2: and he knows the difference. And we do have a

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Speaker 1: And now it's time for owed to a dead Guy.

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Speaker 1: I can't think of anybody better to give proper respect

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Speaker 4: had the misfortunate, like the Nick teams of that era

434
00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:12,280
Speaker 4: of the nineties, of having to go up against Michael Jordan.

435
00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:15,560
Speaker 4: I think they lost four playoff series, including that celebrated

436
00:22:15,920 --> 00:22:19,000
Speaker 4: Michael Jordan shot against Craig Glow. And you know, Lenny

437
00:22:19,040 --> 00:22:20,960
Speaker 4: unfortunately was on the losing end. But there are a

438
00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:22,160
Speaker 4: lot of coaches who are like that.

439
00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:27,360
Speaker 1: Right, Everything he did felt understated.

440
00:22:27,560 --> 00:22:27,760
Speaker 4: Right.

441
00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:31,600
Speaker 1: He was obviously a very talented player and a very

442
00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:35,159
Speaker 1: good coach, but he was not over the top and

443
00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:36,760
Speaker 1: the way he played, and he was not over the

444
00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:39,520
Speaker 1: top obviously in the way he coached as well. I

445
00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:41,800
Speaker 1: learned something that I didn't know in one of the

446
00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:45,560
Speaker 1: stories I'd read. Perhaps you knew this. You mentioned the

447
00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:51,960
Speaker 1: New York part of this story in Brooklyn, more specifically,

448
00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:58,160
Speaker 1: that he wants that he occasionally delivered groceries to Jackie

449
00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:01,359
Speaker 1: Robinson happened to be a neighbor did you know that one?

450
00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:03,760
Speaker 1: That one? If I knew it, I'd forgotten it. That's

451
00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:06,359
Speaker 1: that's a great that's a great bit of background.

452
00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:09,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, a few years ago, had a chance we had

453
00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:14,000
Speaker 4: Lennion to talk about. I can't remember what, but he

454
00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:17,200
Speaker 4: did delve into that, and I think he just volunteered

455
00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:23,200
Speaker 4: that himself, about about Jackie Robinson, about growing up. But

456
00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:25,919
Speaker 4: I also know that he did face, you know, in

457
00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:29,560
Speaker 4: the late fifties in Saint Louis, face some racism, right,

458
00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:32,959
Speaker 4: not surprisingly unfortunately, but that's the way this country was

459
00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:36,960
Speaker 4: back then. When he and his wife, I think in

460
00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:39,560
Speaker 4: the second year Ray were able to purchase a house,

461
00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:43,080
Speaker 4: and you know, when they got to their house or whatever,

462
00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:45,040
Speaker 4: there were a bunch of their neighbors who had for

463
00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:47,919
Speaker 4: sale signs up. Yes, they were looking to leieve and

464
00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:51,879
Speaker 4: get out. So listen. He lived a long, great life.

465
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Speaker 4: He faced a lot of adversity that black men obviously

466
00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:58,960
Speaker 4: did of his eerror and even later on, but he

467
00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:03,080
Speaker 4: accomplished so much much that he really is one of

468
00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:05,640
Speaker 4: the you know the NBA. I mean, here's a guy

469
00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:07,960
Speaker 4: who like won over a thousand games of coach over.

470
00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:11,280
Speaker 4: I mean, he had the ridiculous record and you know

471
00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:14,719
Speaker 4: he's he's as much as New York. The old New

472
00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:19,560
Speaker 4: York basketball fan still remembers him. The people of Seattle

473
00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:23,080
Speaker 4: reveer him as the guy out there because of what

474
00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:26,000
Speaker 4: he did with you know, Gus Williams, Jack Sickman, that

475
00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:29,840
Speaker 4: team that beat Washington and vict Mota Bullets for the

476
00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:33,000
Speaker 4: title back then, which was the only title the organization

477
00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:36,359
Speaker 4: has at until this last year when they did it

478
00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:38,320
Speaker 4: in Oklahoma City is at the Thunder.

479
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Speaker 1: So he was in Seattle, the league's became the league's

480
00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:47,959
Speaker 1: second black player coach. Right Bill Russell had done it

481
00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:50,560
Speaker 1: as well and then and then returned five years later

482
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Speaker 1: as coach. Only it always fascinates me, you know that

483
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Speaker 1: that the ability to do both. Do you think there's

484
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Speaker 1: ever I mean, do you think we're ever going to

485
00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:03,639
Speaker 1: see that again? Niche that there's ever a chance we

486
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Speaker 1: might see the return to the player coach.

487
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Speaker 4: I think every time that's come up, I think there's

488
00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:13,800
Speaker 4: a rule. Maybe now, okay, you can't okay, Although a

489
00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:16,359
Speaker 4: lot of people say Lebron James at different points of

490
00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:19,040
Speaker 4: his career has been a player coach with as much

491
00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:23,560
Speaker 4: authority and power as yes on the court, But no,

492
00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:25,520
Speaker 4: I think they kind of phase that out, and I

493
00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:28,800
Speaker 4: don't know anybody who really wants that headache because the

494
00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:31,359
Speaker 4: game is hard enough to play, and then you got

495
00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:34,919
Speaker 4: to deal with today's athletes and stay's basketball players who

496
00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:39,320
Speaker 4: I'm sure Lenny and Bill Russell had challenges, you know,

497
00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:41,719
Speaker 4: when they were player coach, But can you imagine in

498
00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:44,240
Speaker 4: this day and age of social media and everything, the

499
00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:48,320
Speaker 4: players are all about what that would be like that

500
00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:50,439
Speaker 4: that might drop a guy out of the sport entirely.

501
00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:51,320
Speaker 4: I don't think we'll see that.

502
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Speaker 1: You're right about that. By the way, before we get

503
00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:57,280
Speaker 1: into some current stuff, including what's been going down going

504
00:25:57,320 --> 00:26:00,520
Speaker 1: on you're down your way Dallas Mavericks related, I think

505
00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:04,600
Speaker 1: the story broke earlier today, Michael Ray Richardson has died

506
00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:07,720
Speaker 1: at the age of seventy years old. Yo, you got

507
00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:11,119
Speaker 1: a good Michael Ray richards Again for the the folks

508
00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:13,119
Speaker 1: who you know, maybe have heard the name, but I

509
00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:15,760
Speaker 1: haven't been around long enough to really appreciate sort of

510
00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:18,359
Speaker 1: who he was and what he represented. What do they

511
00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:19,560
Speaker 1: need to know about Michael Ray?

512
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Speaker 4: He was an immensely talented and troubled player. Because this

513
00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:27,840
Speaker 4: was back at a time he played in the league

514
00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:33,040
Speaker 4: when there were a lot of players who used cocaine,

515
00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:36,960
Speaker 4: and he was one of them, and he has the distinction. Unfortunately,

516
00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:40,360
Speaker 4: even though he when he played and he was straight,

517
00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:44,440
Speaker 4: he had phenomenal seasons. Dan. But here's a guy who's

518
00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:48,000
Speaker 4: known also as the first player to receive what they

519
00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:50,680
Speaker 4: called the lifetime Band, which is really a two year

520
00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:55,840
Speaker 4: ban that happened in nineteen eighty six, and he apparently

521
00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:59,160
Speaker 4: tested positive for cocaine like three times over the last

522
00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:03,480
Speaker 4: two years, and so the league, you know, exercise that

523
00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:06,640
Speaker 4: authority under the anti drug program to throw him out.

524
00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:09,960
Speaker 4: He was reinstated, but he went to Europe and he

525
00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:12,119
Speaker 4: played there. I think until I lad somewhere that he

526
00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:14,560
Speaker 4: was forty six years old when he was still playing,

527
00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:16,800
Speaker 4: he liked Europe a lot more. He only you know,

528
00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:20,800
Speaker 4: practice limited play once a week. I remember him as

529
00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:25,000
Speaker 4: a nick New York was definitely too big, too fast,

530
00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:29,159
Speaker 4: too wild for him. And then he was obviously he

531
00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:31,760
Speaker 4: had his greatest years as a New Jersey net when

532
00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:34,919
Speaker 4: they played in the Meadowlands and he was a great

533
00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:37,919
Speaker 4: score and a great you know, he's just had a

534
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:42,560
Speaker 4: great all around game, a big guard, and unfortunately his

535
00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:45,240
Speaker 4: career was derailed, as you know, we saw it in

536
00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:48,400
Speaker 4: Dallas with Roy Tarpley later, and there are other players.

537
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:50,760
Speaker 4: This is a time I think the Washington Post in

538
00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:56,680
Speaker 4: nineteen eighty did a pole where anywhere between a poll

539
00:27:56,720 --> 00:28:01,000
Speaker 4: of players and executives, maybe coaches too, and the range

540
00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:03,720
Speaker 4: was anywhere from forty five to seventy percent of the

541
00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:07,439
Speaker 4: players were estimated to be on cocaine using cocaine at

542
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:10,159
Speaker 4: that time. Wow, that's that's the type of error it

543
00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:13,800
Speaker 4: was in the league obviously had to have a major crackdown,

544
00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:17,240
Speaker 4: also suffered a tremendous tragedy and the len Bias story

545
00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:20,840
Speaker 4: that right, But yeah, Michael Ray Richardson was part of

546
00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:23,679
Speaker 4: that whole thing, and you know it's just unfortunate, but

547
00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:26,680
Speaker 4: he anybody who played against me. He's also apparently walked

548
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:30,320
Speaker 4: into he I read this. I didn't know this until

549
00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:33,400
Speaker 4: I read about it today, where apparently he would walk

550
00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:36,120
Speaker 4: into the Laker the locker room before the Nets would

551
00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:38,400
Speaker 4: play the Lakers until match Johnson he was going to

552
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:41,920
Speaker 4: kick his butt if you can read back, so I can't.

553
00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:43,560
Speaker 4: Actually that's the type of guy he was.

554
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:45,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's a good way to sum it up,

555
00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:49,240
Speaker 1: all right, let's bring it to what's going on down

556
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:52,840
Speaker 1: Dallas Way. Was made official today that the Mavericks have

557
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:56,960
Speaker 1: fired their general manager, Nico Harrison. Do you view this

558
00:28:57,160 --> 00:29:00,840
Speaker 1: as inevitable? Do you view the timing as fair given

559
00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:04,800
Speaker 1: all the injuries face that the Mavericks face right now,

560
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:06,320
Speaker 1: or what do you make of the move?

561
00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:11,840
Speaker 4: Well, listen, they haven't had their two best players, Anthony

562
00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:16,160
Speaker 4: Davis and Kyrie Irving. Cooper Flag has not exactly torn

563
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:20,680
Speaker 4: the league up, but the problem is that they just

564
00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:24,920
Speaker 4: saw their twenty four year sellout streak and this is

565
00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:28,200
Speaker 4: with a number one overall pick playing for them in

566
00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:32,200
Speaker 4: Cooper Flag. Not a lot around him, right, But owners

567
00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:34,480
Speaker 4: pay attention to that, and I think owners also pay

568
00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:38,120
Speaker 4: attention to the fact that the whispers from players were

569
00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:41,560
Speaker 4: that because of the constant fire and n Eco chance

570
00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:45,520
Speaker 4: that the fans are still they were still using even

571
00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:47,880
Speaker 4: last night in his last game there when they lost

572
00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:51,480
Speaker 4: to the Bucks late. You know, it got the players

573
00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:53,560
Speaker 4: in the player and I'm sure Jason Kidd didn't like it,

574
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:55,600
Speaker 4: and I'm sure the players you know, and I'm sure

575
00:29:55,600 --> 00:30:00,360
Speaker 4: Patrick Dumont, who replaced Mark Cuban as the owner, didn't

576
00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:02,920
Speaker 4: like it. And until they were going to get Nko

577
00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:05,760
Speaker 4: Harrison out of there. They were going to continue to

578
00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:09,360
Speaker 4: play it with a home court disadvantage, which you can't have,

579
00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:12,920
Speaker 4: and that's unfair to the players, but that's the way

580
00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:16,840
Speaker 4: the passion of the fans here still view this trade

581
00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:21,040
Speaker 4: of Luka Doncic as a deal breaker for them and

582
00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:22,880
Speaker 4: a lot of fans. If they didn't go to the games,

583
00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:25,400
Speaker 4: you know, the soul of the sheet was over. But

584
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:29,400
Speaker 4: there were fans who went there basically to to can't

585
00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:31,960
Speaker 4: fire an Eco, so they had to do something. The

586
00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:34,880
Speaker 4: weird thing was, you know, Patrick Dumont was the owner,

587
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:39,160
Speaker 4: not Mark Human, but when they made the trade, they

588
00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:42,080
Speaker 4: you know, he was all in, Patrick Dumont, He approved

589
00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:44,120
Speaker 4: the trade. The word was that I heard, you know,

590
00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:46,240
Speaker 4: is that you didn't want to pay you Luka Doncic's

591
00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:49,360
Speaker 4: next big extension because Luka doncicch is out of shape.

592
00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:53,760
Speaker 4: Luca Doncics didn't have the the fire and the competitive edge.

593
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:56,840
Speaker 4: He felt that were you know, shown by other great

594
00:30:56,920 --> 00:30:59,800
Speaker 4: players in the past like Kobe Bryant, Michael Jordan, et cetera.

595
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:03,720
Speaker 4: And that he bought Nico Harrison's game plan, which was

596
00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:05,960
Speaker 4: we're going to bring in Anthony Davis, and we're going to

597
00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:08,800
Speaker 4: try to have Anthony Davis, Kyrie Irving and the rest

598
00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:11,440
Speaker 4: of the cast from the team that went to the

599
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:14,000
Speaker 4: finals a couple of years ago and make a deep run.

600
00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:18,560
Speaker 4: Well they didn't because of the whole atmosphere in Dallas

601
00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:22,520
Speaker 4: at these games. They thought that was that's untenable. It

602
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:24,560
Speaker 4: couldn't continue to do that, so they had to fire him.

603
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:28,320
Speaker 4: And that's so nobody's really surprised. As a matter of fact,

604
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:32,120
Speaker 4: down here, it is everybody celebrating this, which you could

605
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:35,280
Speaker 4: see the fans, but you know, the caution is that

606
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:38,840
Speaker 4: the guy in charge here, the owner, is still the

607
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:42,400
Speaker 4: guy who signed off on a trade shot. It's still

608
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:45,000
Speaker 4: unbelievable for two reasons. The fact that they traded him

609
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:46,760
Speaker 4: at the age of what twenty five or twenty six

610
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:49,040
Speaker 4: after they had just been to the finals, and the

611
00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:52,600
Speaker 4: fact that they didn't get much in return. And Anthony

612
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:55,440
Speaker 4: Davis has only played fourteen out of a possible forty

613
00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:58,840
Speaker 4: four games and he's hurt and they can't play again. So

614
00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:01,959
Speaker 4: everything just went wrong. This whole thing just blew up

615
00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:03,480
Speaker 4: in their faces.

616
00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:05,720
Speaker 1: You know, I think you hit on the key part

617
00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:07,320
Speaker 1: of this because I think you could say, well, it's

618
00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:11,040
Speaker 1: kind of disingenuous of the owner to turn when he

619
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:13,080
Speaker 1: approved of the deal. There's still some people think that

620
00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:15,480
Speaker 1: he basically said, I'm we're not going to pay him

621
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:17,320
Speaker 1: that money, so you got to figure out someplace to

622
00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:20,440
Speaker 1: trade him. I think to me, where Harrison is still

623
00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:25,480
Speaker 1: rippable is whether he got maximum value right, and the

624
00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:28,280
Speaker 1: built in issue of when you trade for a player

625
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:32,880
Speaker 1: who has been as injured as he has and Anthony

626
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:36,080
Speaker 1: Davis in effect you're asking for, it's hard to have

627
00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:38,880
Speaker 1: much sympathy, you know, because you can say, on Kyrie, well,

628
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:40,320
Speaker 1: how do you know he's going to get hurt. He

629
00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:43,760
Speaker 1: hasn't been hurt his whole career, but Anthony Davis has

630
00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:46,640
Speaker 1: been hurt almost his entire career. So to that extent,

631
00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:48,640
Speaker 1: I think that's what I had to probably make the

632
00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:51,800
Speaker 1: GM very vulnerable, even if, as we said, the owner

633
00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:54,280
Speaker 1: is the guy who might have been, you know, demanding

634
00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:55,600
Speaker 1: a deal in the first place.

635
00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:01,800
Speaker 4: That I think what this was my action reaction at

636
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:04,560
Speaker 4: the time, Why are you trading him now? And why

637
00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:07,479
Speaker 4: don't you wait till June when more teams can get

638
00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:09,840
Speaker 4: involved will probably get a better deal, and by the way,

639
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:12,000
Speaker 4: Why don't you start by calling up a team like

640
00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:17,280
Speaker 4: Milwaukee and trying to make something Roviniannison Tannakopo, exactly right.

641
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:21,160
Speaker 4: You start here. You could call Minnesota Anthony Edwards. I

642
00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:23,920
Speaker 4: called Boston, talked to him about Jason Tatum. You could.

643
00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:27,800
Speaker 4: I mean, why are you just getting Anthony Davis, who

644
00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:30,160
Speaker 4: you know as Charles Barkley calls him street clothes. I

645
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:34,240
Speaker 4: mean he rarely plays. You know, when he does, he's great,

646
00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:36,720
Speaker 4: he's you know, listen, it's a stretch that he made

647
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:39,200
Speaker 4: the top seventy five team in my book, but he did,

648
00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:43,120
Speaker 4: but he just does not play enough. And no, the

649
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:47,360
Speaker 4: package was way. I mean they got they got you know,

650
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:49,479
Speaker 4: you look at it and it's like they got robbed.

651
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:52,120
Speaker 4: They didn't get anything. You got for a Luka Doncic,

652
00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:55,160
Speaker 4: a player of that statue, or a guy who one

653
00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:58,320
Speaker 4: day maybe an MVP and he's probably win a title

654
00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:00,360
Speaker 4: in Los Angeles, you have to get a King Rams,

655
00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:02,040
Speaker 4: and you have to get you know, four or five

656
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:05,280
Speaker 4: number one picks for future first pick. You have to

657
00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:07,920
Speaker 4: get a good rising young player or if you're going

658
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:10,040
Speaker 4: to go to Milwaukee and get Jannison's at of Koupo.

659
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:12,359
Speaker 4: You know what, you have to work out a package there,

660
00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:14,600
Speaker 4: but at least you're getting a two time MVP pack

661
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:17,080
Speaker 4: who still has some years to go and get help

662
00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:19,400
Speaker 4: you within a title. They didn't get nearly that in

663
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Speaker 4: terms of the package.

664
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Speaker 1: NBA big knocker Mitch Lawrence kind enough to join us.

665
00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:28,200
Speaker 1: The Wolves are starting to play better. They've not played.

666
00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:31,960
Speaker 1: They played a lot of pretty mediocre teams, but they're

667
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:36,600
Speaker 1: they're I should say Edwards is healthy again and playing

668
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:40,040
Speaker 1: very well. So they're trying to put this thing together

669
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Speaker 1: after kind of an uneven start. The question on the

670
00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:47,960
Speaker 1: table is the same as in many places. If the Wolves,

671
00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:51,080
Speaker 1: let's say a month from now, are kind of spinning

672
00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:54,600
Speaker 1: their wheels where they're not horrible, but they're not they're

673
00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:57,680
Speaker 1: looking like they're going to be a second Wrong Western

674
00:34:57,719 --> 00:35:00,360
Speaker 1: Conference team with not maybe a great chance as to

675
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:03,560
Speaker 1: get even as far as they did a year the

676
00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:09,120
Speaker 1: last two seasons. Should they be interested in Ja Morant,

677
00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:11,560
Speaker 1: who I think clearly is going to end up going someplace.

678
00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:15,479
Speaker 1: I think that's pretty much inevitable. So it's the big

679
00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:18,799
Speaker 1: job Morant question for you is if they could work

680
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:21,040
Speaker 1: out the logistics on finances, which by the way would

681
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:22,759
Speaker 1: be complicated because I think they'd have to end up

682
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:24,520
Speaker 1: back in the second apron, which I don't think the

683
00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:26,719
Speaker 1: new owners want to be. But if all that got

684
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:30,759
Speaker 1: worked out, is he worth the risk? What do you

685
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:34,759
Speaker 1: think about jaw landing but not any place else? Is

686
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Speaker 1: he worth whatever baggage he has at this point?

687
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:41,279
Speaker 4: What do you think if you asked me that a

688
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:44,720
Speaker 4: couple of years ago, when he was second team, second

689
00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:49,680
Speaker 4: team All NBA and before all the gun nonsense, I'd

690
00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:55,480
Speaker 4: say absolutely, Baker run at him now where he has

691
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:58,759
Speaker 4: regressed as a player. He's no longer one of the

692
00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:02,960
Speaker 4: top ten in the league. He's got this stuff off

693
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:06,240
Speaker 4: the court, which you just don't know if that's over

694
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:11,320
Speaker 4: with and done with other unsettling things, including his father,

695
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:13,920
Speaker 4: who's more of a supporter than a guy who's going

696
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:18,520
Speaker 4: to pack the father role that has. That's that's not

697
00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:23,520
Speaker 4: changing for the better. Apparently it depends what Memphis is

698
00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:27,160
Speaker 4: looking for too. I mean Memphis, you know, I don't

699
00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:28,960
Speaker 4: know if they're just they're not going to just give

700
00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:32,000
Speaker 4: them away, but they might be in a situation where

701
00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:34,799
Speaker 4: they feel like we have to move on from him,

702
00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:39,480
Speaker 4: and I'll accept, you know less than what people might think.

703
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:42,359
Speaker 4: I mean, you know, there's been so many trades recently, Dan,

704
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:45,640
Speaker 4: where you've got the Knicks giving up five you know,

705
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:48,600
Speaker 4: number one first round picks from mattel Bridges. You're not

706
00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:52,359
Speaker 4: worth back. You saw that, you know with in other

707
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:56,520
Speaker 4: situations go there too. Obviously, I don't know what Memphis

708
00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:59,200
Speaker 4: is looking for. They're gonna look look for something obviously

709
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:02,120
Speaker 4: before they move on, because let's face it, when they move.

710
00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:03,680
Speaker 4: Once they move on, for him, it's not going to

711
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:06,319
Speaker 4: be easy for them to get another player of his

712
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:08,319
Speaker 4: statue what he was a couple of years ago. But

713
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:11,120
Speaker 4: like I said, he's not that same player, gets hurt

714
00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:15,280
Speaker 4: a lot, not a good defender, not a great shooter.

715
00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:19,080
Speaker 4: I mean, this is a guy who had his best days.

716
00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:22,160
Speaker 4: Sad to say, but like two three years ago. So

717
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:24,799
Speaker 4: if I was in Minnesota, no, I would not do

718
00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:27,040
Speaker 4: I would I would look to do something else. I

719
00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:30,840
Speaker 4: know Minnesota listen, coming into this year two years in

720
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:34,800
Speaker 4: earrow Western Conference Finals, didn't really neither of them compete

721
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:37,040
Speaker 4: very well because I think what they didn't even get

722
00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:41,120
Speaker 4: the six games correct. No, So I'm saying, can they

723
00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:42,680
Speaker 4: please get themselves a point guard?

724
00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:42,960
Speaker 3: Here?

725
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:46,080
Speaker 4: Of you know a young one, and I'm not talking

726
00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:48,120
Speaker 4: about the guys that you know. Mike Conley Junior, as

727
00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:50,920
Speaker 4: great as he's been, it's time to move on. Put

728
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:53,680
Speaker 4: him on the bench. Find Evincenzo's not a point guard either,

729
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:56,560
Speaker 4: is Rob Billingham. To me, that seems to be a problem.

730
00:37:56,640 --> 00:38:00,000
Speaker 4: The other thing, too is I just don't I'm just

731
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:04,320
Speaker 4: it's not big on Julius Randall being a second option

732
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:08,560
Speaker 4: on a championship team, maybe a third off. So there.

733
00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:12,240
Speaker 4: I think they've got some problems too. But right now,

734
00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:15,600
Speaker 4: the way they're composed, I don't think they can get

735
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Speaker 4: by Oklahoma City. There might be another team or two

736
00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:20,719
Speaker 4: out west they play in a conference finals, they might

737
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:23,600
Speaker 4: not be able to get until they do something a

738
00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:28,560
Speaker 4: little more radical or get another more talented player than

739
00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:31,040
Speaker 4: what they have now. After at Anthony.

740
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Speaker 1: Edwards, the biggest surprise in the league for you early

741
00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:36,000
Speaker 1: this season.

742
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Speaker 4: Well, Orlando was supposed to be better. I think there's

743
00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:46,000
Speaker 4: some issues going on with Jamal Mosley, who's a first

744
00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:48,920
Speaker 4: time head coach and is what third or fourth year there,

745
00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:52,040
Speaker 4: And you know they made the big trade for Desmond Bane.

746
00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:55,640
Speaker 4: They gave up a lot they were supposed to hit

747
00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:59,600
Speaker 4: the ground running. They haven't. I don't know if there's

748
00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:02,399
Speaker 4: going to be. Now they're saying Bank Carpaala, bon Caro

749
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:04,920
Speaker 4: and Mosley are having problems. I don't know. That's just

750
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:10,320
Speaker 4: the word out there. We'll see Eastern Conference wise. I

751
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:13,800
Speaker 4: think that in the West, I think a lot of

752
00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:17,439
Speaker 4: people thought the Clippers because they went and they brought

753
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:20,520
Speaker 4: in a lot of veteran guys like Brook Lopez and

754
00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:23,399
Speaker 4: Chris Paul Boy, they're in a world of trouble. They're

755
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:26,520
Speaker 4: probably going to have to make a move. I didn't

756
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:30,080
Speaker 4: think they'd be this bad this early. But I don't

757
00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:32,719
Speaker 4: know if they can turn that around. You know, Oklahoma

758
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:35,440
Speaker 4: City obviously isn't a surprise. They're head and shoulders to

759
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:38,719
Speaker 4: me above everybody else. So we'll go from there. But

760
00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:41,280
Speaker 4: you know, and I thought Dallas was going to struggle.

761
00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:42,839
Speaker 4: I didn't think Dallas was going to be good right

762
00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:46,839
Speaker 4: away without Davis Kyrie irving camp and putting on you know,

763
00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:50,240
Speaker 4: making Cooper flag passed the ball to guys who aren't

764
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:52,200
Speaker 4: as good as he is instead of him just looking

765
00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:53,040
Speaker 4: to go out and score.

766
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Speaker 1: What do you hear? Lastly on the Billups part of

767
00:39:57,480 --> 00:40:03,200
Speaker 1: the big Gambling slash Polker investigation because I've heard some jackals,

768
00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:07,239
Speaker 1: media jackals say this is bad. I've heard others say

769
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:08,960
Speaker 1: I need to hear a little bit more to the

770
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:11,759
Speaker 1: story that if you really read what they have, it's

771
00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:15,160
Speaker 1: not quite as dramatic as it appeared in the press

772
00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:17,880
Speaker 1: conference the first day. What are you hearing from people

773
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:20,400
Speaker 1: you know in the league about the Billups situation.

774
00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:26,000
Speaker 4: Haven't heard a lot, But my immediate reaction was the

775
00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:30,400
Speaker 4: poker stuff was one thing, but to give information about

776
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:33,279
Speaker 4: your team to people who are then going to turn

777
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:37,560
Speaker 4: and use it in a gambling situation, giving inside information

778
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:41,520
Speaker 4: out I was not to me, was a hanging offense.

779
00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:44,040
Speaker 4: That to me was he's never going to work again

780
00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:48,920
Speaker 4: in the NBA and you know that. To me, I

781
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:53,840
Speaker 4: read it in the indictment that was really really startling.

782
00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:57,160
Speaker 4: He took information about and he knew that they were

783
00:40:57,160 --> 00:40:59,960
Speaker 4: going to tank games, and he told people who had

784
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:05,560
Speaker 4: invested interest in making bets. That is a huge no.

785
00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:10,040
Speaker 4: That strikes the whole integrity issue. I've known Chauncey Billups

786
00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:14,720
Speaker 4: a long time since he was a player, a great guy,

787
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:20,160
Speaker 4: and my question that hasn't been answered yet is what

788
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:25,640
Speaker 4: forced him to all of us. What forced him to

789
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:30,680
Speaker 4: become a guy who was associated with the types of

790
00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:34,000
Speaker 4: people you can't be associated with if you're coaching in

791
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:37,880
Speaker 4: the NBA, people in the maafia, people who are running

792
00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:41,200
Speaker 4: croocket card games. What was the reason did he I

793
00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:43,759
Speaker 4: mean it sounds like you mean from the else. I

794
00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:47,000
Speaker 4: have no knowledge, But must he have been up to

795
00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:50,400
Speaker 4: his neck in all kinds of debts where he needed

796
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:52,480
Speaker 4: to do this, where people forced him to do this.

797
00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:56,120
Speaker 4: I don't know that to me because he always struck

798
00:41:56,160 --> 00:41:59,640
Speaker 4: me as a real class guy. That to me is

799
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:03,600
Speaker 4: the puzzler. But there has to be an explanation for

800
00:42:03,719 --> 00:42:06,840
Speaker 4: how you would associate yourself with the types of people

801
00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:09,960
Speaker 4: who the lead. You know, they know you're associating with

802
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:11,680
Speaker 4: those people and they can prove it. I don't think

803
00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:13,080
Speaker 4: it's gonna work again in the NBA.

804
00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:17,080
Speaker 1: Great stuff man is always good to catch up and

805
00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:19,759
Speaker 1: we'll be in touch soon. But by the way, now

806
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:23,839
Speaker 1: that the I think the serious XMNBA shows are also

807
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:27,319
Speaker 1: on NBA TV. When you fill in, then you got

808
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:29,920
Speaker 1: to get dressed up more than usual. Is it a

809
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:32,239
Speaker 1: whole different bag doing the show when you got to

810
00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:34,880
Speaker 1: worry about the camera, not just you know you can't

811
00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:38,040
Speaker 1: slouch like you usually do on a radio situation.

812
00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:42,600
Speaker 4: You'll find out tomorrow morning on from seven to eight

813
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:47,560
Speaker 4: because Scalabrini and NBC have another eight o'clock Eastern start

814
00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:51,640
Speaker 4: Boston and Philly, So I am subbing for Brian Scalabrini.

815
00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:54,000
Speaker 4: Nice but no, I just go in there looking great

816
00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:56,960
Speaker 4: as always. There you go and got to lead you

817
00:42:57,000 --> 00:42:58,960
Speaker 4: to fans always called me up and support me. But

818
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:01,759
Speaker 4: everybody should tune it because I'm sure Frank and I, Frank,

819
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:04,560
Speaker 4: Guizela and I all will be talking at length about

820
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:08,640
Speaker 4: Nico Harrison all the games today, and we'll probably even

821
00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:10,840
Speaker 4: talk about Michael Ray Richardson and a bunch of other stuff.

822
00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:14,040
Speaker 4: But it's only one hour because then scal Can he's back,

823
00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:16,400
Speaker 4: can play. As Michael Jordan would say, what are you

824
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:17,880
Speaker 4: doing with the other twenty two hours?

825
00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:22,040
Speaker 1: That's true? Thanks man, good to catch up.

826
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:25,600
Speaker 4: We'll talk soon, all right, Dan, I appreciate you.

827
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Speaker 1: Mitch Lawrence, one of our favorites over the years, kind

828
00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:31,880
Speaker 1: enough to give us a plenty extended time. Luigi is

829
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:34,080
Speaker 1: going to join about a half hour from now. Top

830
00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:36,800
Speaker 1: five and five with Blake Moore is coming up, including

831
00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:39,120
Speaker 1: Wild's Wolves and a new Viking signing