1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:06,000 Speaker 1: Is Tony Pike Cincy three sixty about Cincinnati. From Cincinnati. 2 00:00:06,160 --> 00:00:10,840 Speaker 1: This is ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports station. 3 00:00:11,440 --> 00:00:16,520 Speaker 2: All right, here we go, howur three uncharted territory. Here Austin, 4 00:00:17,160 --> 00:00:19,720 Speaker 2: uncharted territory. I know we want to get the talk 5 00:00:19,720 --> 00:00:21,319 Speaker 2: backs a little bit later in the hour. We're gonna 6 00:00:21,320 --> 00:00:24,080 Speaker 2: catch up with Moager. But the press conference goes over 7 00:00:24,120 --> 00:00:26,200 Speaker 2: an hour with Duke Tobin. I have a bunch of 8 00:00:26,200 --> 00:00:28,760 Speaker 2: notes written. I know you have notes ridden, and thankfully 9 00:00:28,760 --> 00:00:32,080 Speaker 2: our guy Charlie Goldsmith is with us. And I just thought, Austin, 10 00:00:32,120 --> 00:00:33,960 Speaker 2: we could kind of use this moment to sift through 11 00:00:33,960 --> 00:00:36,120 Speaker 2: what we just heard and do so with Charlie. 12 00:00:36,200 --> 00:00:39,400 Speaker 3: What if we all just react together? Wow, that kind 13 00:00:39,400 --> 00:00:42,839 Speaker 3: of sounds fun, Hi, Charlie, Duke. 14 00:00:42,680 --> 00:00:44,040 Speaker 4: Said they need more stones. 15 00:00:44,440 --> 00:00:49,600 Speaker 3: So brother, my takeaway, I wrote that, yeah too, that 16 00:00:49,800 --> 00:00:52,840 Speaker 3: exact thing he said, we have cornerstones, we need more stones. 17 00:00:52,880 --> 00:00:56,240 Speaker 3: You already got a geno. Now we go. Hmm. Charlie. 18 00:00:56,240 --> 00:00:59,880 Speaker 2: It's extremely difficult when you think of a press conference 19 00:01:00,200 --> 00:01:05,759 Speaker 2: goes over an hour, but immediately following instant reactions. Were 20 00:01:05,880 --> 00:01:08,319 Speaker 2: there one or a few things that stand out to 21 00:01:08,360 --> 00:01:11,360 Speaker 2: you more so than the rest here's kind of how 22 00:01:11,400 --> 00:01:11,959 Speaker 2: I feel. 23 00:01:12,200 --> 00:01:16,360 Speaker 4: Basically, what I cooked from Duke was we're building this 24 00:01:16,440 --> 00:01:20,600 Speaker 4: thing around Joe and he's using the tenth We we've 25 00:01:20,600 --> 00:01:23,319 Speaker 4: done it before. We think this offense is really good, 26 00:01:23,600 --> 00:01:26,399 Speaker 4: and we've made moves that we feel benefit him, and 27 00:01:26,440 --> 00:01:29,800 Speaker 4: I've had to live with some ramifications of that. I 28 00:01:29,920 --> 00:01:34,679 Speaker 4: like the idea of building around Joe. Obviously the subsequential 29 00:01:34,720 --> 00:01:37,560 Speaker 4: moves have failed, and those very little lack of reflection 30 00:01:38,400 --> 00:01:40,200 Speaker 4: or you know, I would have done this differently. It 31 00:01:40,240 --> 00:01:42,200 Speaker 4: wasn't like like Duke was like, we don't get to 32 00:01:42,200 --> 00:01:44,680 Speaker 4: sign defensive for Asians anymore. I have a lot of 33 00:01:44,760 --> 00:01:48,600 Speaker 4: questions about Dino Stone, Sheldon Rankins, Nick Scott, guys like that. 34 00:01:48,680 --> 00:01:52,520 Speaker 4: So there wasn't much reflection on what's gone wrong, and 35 00:01:52,560 --> 00:01:54,640 Speaker 4: there was a lot of talk about, Hey, we're building 36 00:01:54,640 --> 00:01:56,640 Speaker 4: this thing around Burrow. That's that's what we're supposed to 37 00:01:56,640 --> 00:01:56,920 Speaker 4: do here. 38 00:01:57,240 --> 00:01:58,960 Speaker 2: It doesn't feel to me. It felt a lot like 39 00:01:58,960 --> 00:02:01,960 Speaker 2: what you said were And also I thought was Duke 40 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:04,840 Speaker 2: Tobin saying, look, I'm aware of what is being said, 41 00:02:05,440 --> 00:02:07,920 Speaker 2: and he took the blame. But I don't feel like 42 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:10,560 Speaker 2: when pressed about how are we going to get this fixed? 43 00:02:10,880 --> 00:02:12,800 Speaker 2: I don't feel like there was really a path forward 44 00:02:12,800 --> 00:02:13,760 Speaker 2: on how it gets fixed. 45 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:19,400 Speaker 4: None. And obviously the more difficult part than building a 46 00:02:19,440 --> 00:02:22,120 Speaker 4: super Bowl caliber roster is doing it with a quarterback 47 00:02:22,160 --> 00:02:24,840 Speaker 4: who's getting paid. And I still don't have any answers 48 00:02:24,880 --> 00:02:29,280 Speaker 4: on approaches in free agency, or priorities in the draft, 49 00:02:29,560 --> 00:02:33,720 Speaker 4: or anything that's tangibly going to change. What it sounded 50 00:02:33,800 --> 00:02:36,840 Speaker 4: like was a lot of doubling down on what they've done, 51 00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:41,080 Speaker 4: you know, signing the next Genostone, signing the next Sheldon Rankin. 52 00:02:41,600 --> 00:02:43,760 Speaker 4: That's kind of the direction that I was being sold 53 00:02:43,800 --> 00:02:47,400 Speaker 4: them going toward, because they're saying, these are the people 54 00:02:47,400 --> 00:02:52,079 Speaker 4: we believe in making these decies, these decisions, but these 55 00:02:52,200 --> 00:02:54,720 Speaker 4: people haven't made good enough decisions on the defensive side 56 00:02:54,720 --> 00:02:55,000 Speaker 4: of the ball. 57 00:02:55,520 --> 00:02:58,440 Speaker 3: It also kind of felt to me like his biggest 58 00:02:58,480 --> 00:03:02,359 Speaker 3: issue with this year's bank and maybe last year's Bengals, 59 00:03:02,840 --> 00:03:07,519 Speaker 3: were their inability to finish critical moments, as he described them, 60 00:03:07,760 --> 00:03:11,520 Speaker 3: late in games, and at times it almost felt like 61 00:03:11,919 --> 00:03:16,320 Speaker 3: he was blaming Zach Taylor for that. Well, and what 62 00:03:16,440 --> 00:03:17,200 Speaker 3: did you make of that? 63 00:03:18,320 --> 00:03:20,480 Speaker 4: I felt like he was blaming the players, to which 64 00:03:20,520 --> 00:03:23,000 Speaker 4: I say, why didn't you get better players? Right? Like 65 00:03:23,040 --> 00:03:25,640 Speaker 4: the Bear game. My belief in that moment was, like 66 00:03:25,760 --> 00:03:29,240 Speaker 4: Josh Newton was mithligned Josh Newton your Week one starting 67 00:03:29,280 --> 00:03:33,240 Speaker 4: quarter and I liked Josh, But Josh was three spots 68 00:03:33,280 --> 00:03:35,040 Speaker 4: higher than he should have been on the depth chart. 69 00:03:35,440 --> 00:03:37,840 Speaker 4: Why weren't the guys on the field in position to 70 00:03:37,880 --> 00:03:40,200 Speaker 4: finish games better players? 71 00:03:40,240 --> 00:03:43,120 Speaker 1: Like, that's my question, Charlie. 72 00:03:43,120 --> 00:03:45,960 Speaker 2: He was asked about beefing up the scouting department, he 73 00:03:46,040 --> 00:03:49,400 Speaker 2: was asked about adding an offensive play caller. He pretty 74 00:03:49,440 --> 00:03:52,680 Speaker 2: much shot both of those down. Do you feel like 75 00:03:52,760 --> 00:03:56,280 Speaker 2: that's something that this organization needs to explore? On either 76 00:03:56,320 --> 00:03:58,920 Speaker 2: of those accounts, The one thing Duke. 77 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:01,880 Speaker 4: And I agree on is don't touch the offense. I 78 00:04:01,920 --> 00:04:03,880 Speaker 4: believe that. I believe in what they've done to build 79 00:04:03,920 --> 00:04:07,000 Speaker 4: around Joe. I believe that signing the sticky was the 80 00:04:07,080 --> 00:04:09,680 Speaker 4: right move because of what that unlocks with double double Cup, 81 00:04:09,760 --> 00:04:11,960 Speaker 4: Like all the in the weed stuff that they're doing 82 00:04:12,040 --> 00:04:16,240 Speaker 4: on offense, I believe in, and doubly so because of 83 00:04:16,279 --> 00:04:18,440 Speaker 4: how we saw it working in with Flacco and then 84 00:04:18,480 --> 00:04:20,800 Speaker 4: there was a lot of Joe flat oh and it's 85 00:04:20,800 --> 00:04:22,960 Speaker 4: start conference. That was that was the direction. I didn't 86 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:26,080 Speaker 4: see it going as much, but U and so I 87 00:04:26,160 --> 00:04:28,680 Speaker 4: believe in keeping Zach is a play caller because this 88 00:04:28,880 --> 00:04:33,240 Speaker 4: offense works with an exclamation point in my evaluation, clearly 89 00:04:33,240 --> 00:04:38,320 Speaker 4: induced evaluation. Yeah, then it's the defense that that we 90 00:04:38,440 --> 00:04:40,080 Speaker 4: keep going back to say. 91 00:04:40,240 --> 00:04:42,680 Speaker 3: I kind of got the vibe that he just wanted 92 00:04:42,720 --> 00:04:45,200 Speaker 3: to get some stuff off of his chest, almost as 93 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:47,920 Speaker 3: if this was his idea to come out with a 94 00:04:47,960 --> 00:04:51,200 Speaker 3: pad full of things that he wanted to say about 95 00:04:51,279 --> 00:04:54,359 Speaker 3: the who and the what and the how and how 96 00:04:54,480 --> 00:04:58,279 Speaker 3: each branch of the organization is assigned to one of 97 00:04:58,320 --> 00:05:02,200 Speaker 3: those three things that it feeled to you like, Okay, 98 00:05:02,279 --> 00:05:04,599 Speaker 3: Duke has heard it and has felt it, and this 99 00:05:04,640 --> 00:05:07,640 Speaker 3: is his response to let everyone know I'm mad just 100 00:05:07,760 --> 00:05:07,960 Speaker 3: like you. 101 00:05:09,480 --> 00:05:12,640 Speaker 4: My read on it was he did this and this 102 00:05:12,760 --> 00:05:14,800 Speaker 4: was just hear from Duke directly and hearing him talk 103 00:05:14,839 --> 00:05:18,239 Speaker 4: about this because of the state of the fan base, 104 00:05:18,600 --> 00:05:20,880 Speaker 4: and it was agreed on that this was the best 105 00:05:20,920 --> 00:05:24,520 Speaker 4: thing to create a sense of an accountability and awareness 106 00:05:24,600 --> 00:05:27,160 Speaker 4: and show the fan base kind of that the Bengals 107 00:05:27,200 --> 00:05:30,440 Speaker 4: feel it too. And I mean, I don't question he's 108 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:33,760 Speaker 4: got he's got competitiveness, or their work ethic or anything 109 00:05:33,839 --> 00:05:36,600 Speaker 4: like that. Like I'm not there with any of these 110 00:05:36,600 --> 00:05:41,080 Speaker 4: guys in the Bengals organizations. It's just like, my question was, 111 00:05:41,080 --> 00:05:43,280 Speaker 4: are you going to sign some players on defense this season? 112 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:46,839 Speaker 4: And that's not something that felt like was addressed enough 113 00:05:46,960 --> 00:05:49,480 Speaker 4: kind of what they can change to make sure that happens. 114 00:05:49,560 --> 00:05:52,760 Speaker 3: If I'm not mistaken. Your question was did last year's 115 00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:57,680 Speaker 3: signings and negotiations affect your ability to sign free agents 116 00:05:57,839 --> 00:06:00,880 Speaker 3: and do you anticipate that not being an issue this year? 117 00:06:00,960 --> 00:06:02,400 Speaker 3: And there wasn't really an answer to that. 118 00:06:03,440 --> 00:06:05,200 Speaker 4: Yeah, what he said is we brought BJ Hill and 119 00:06:05,360 --> 00:06:08,720 Speaker 4: just Beside back, which didn't improve the defense. And I 120 00:06:08,760 --> 00:06:10,719 Speaker 4: had a nice year, but Bj is still a move 121 00:06:11,040 --> 00:06:13,680 Speaker 4: to Franklin I don't really understand, and we'll see if 122 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:16,520 Speaker 4: he's a cap casualty this offseason. So you look at 123 00:06:16,560 --> 00:06:19,760 Speaker 4: their biggest moves on defense, and there wasn't much reflection 124 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:22,920 Speaker 4: or a lock of a better word, contrition on how 125 00:06:22,920 --> 00:06:25,040 Speaker 4: that's all gone. 126 00:06:24,680 --> 00:06:28,800 Speaker 2: He used the term attacked in describing how last offseason went. 127 00:06:28,839 --> 00:06:32,679 Speaker 2: That they attacked last offseason. He was asked why fans 128 00:06:32,680 --> 00:06:35,200 Speaker 2: should have belief and he said, quote, we've done it before. 129 00:06:35,680 --> 00:06:38,479 Speaker 2: He was asked what needs to change going forward, He 130 00:06:38,680 --> 00:06:41,680 Speaker 2: kind of bluntly said, our record I don't think that's 131 00:06:41,720 --> 00:06:45,400 Speaker 2: the answer that most folks are looking for. What does 132 00:06:45,440 --> 00:06:48,080 Speaker 2: need to change, Charlie, because now here we are, the 133 00:06:48,120 --> 00:06:50,839 Speaker 2: scouting department is not going to change, the coaching staff 134 00:06:50,920 --> 00:06:53,120 Speaker 2: is not going to change, Duke Tobin is not going 135 00:06:53,160 --> 00:06:56,080 Speaker 2: to change. And what this leaves us with with a 136 00:06:56,240 --> 00:06:58,680 Speaker 2: roster that we hear Duke Tobin says was improving as 137 00:06:58,720 --> 00:07:01,920 Speaker 2: the season went on in and getting better. So if 138 00:07:01,960 --> 00:07:05,360 Speaker 2: none of the pieces in place are changing, what changes 139 00:07:06,320 --> 00:07:08,640 Speaker 2: are gonna come this offseason to give you a better 140 00:07:08,680 --> 00:07:09,400 Speaker 2: hope for next year. 141 00:07:10,560 --> 00:07:13,960 Speaker 4: One more thing was the question about all these all 142 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:17,920 Speaker 4: these ten contract negotiations stories that have gone on, and 143 00:07:17,960 --> 00:07:19,880 Speaker 4: the answer was there, we're not going to change with 144 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:22,960 Speaker 4: that either. So that was all very notable to me. 145 00:07:23,640 --> 00:07:26,000 Speaker 4: What is changing, man For the second straight off season, 146 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:28,720 Speaker 4: they're putting the biggest bet on the planet on al Golden. 147 00:07:29,320 --> 00:07:32,320 Speaker 4: I do agree completely with what Zach said on Monday 148 00:07:32,320 --> 00:07:35,200 Speaker 4: about the fact that it was just maybe so much 149 00:07:35,280 --> 00:07:37,560 Speaker 4: to handle for a new staff that had gotten the 150 00:07:37,600 --> 00:07:40,240 Speaker 4: way of being as impactful as they possibly could and 151 00:07:40,280 --> 00:07:43,000 Speaker 4: improving the roster because it was a new staff on 152 00:07:43,120 --> 00:07:46,040 Speaker 4: defense working together for the first time, working with a 153 00:07:46,080 --> 00:07:50,960 Speaker 4: new front office like this has like what's going to change, 154 00:07:51,040 --> 00:07:53,760 Speaker 4: Like Al has to be the difference Al and his 155 00:07:54,440 --> 00:07:58,480 Speaker 4: player evaluation backgrounds in college and his development backgrounds from college. 156 00:07:58,760 --> 00:08:01,320 Speaker 4: And I do like everyone wanted to see a coaching 157 00:08:01,400 --> 00:08:04,120 Speaker 4: change on the staff, like knowing these guys, I do 158 00:08:04,680 --> 00:08:09,559 Speaker 4: like genuinely think very highly of Jarry Montgomery defensive line, 159 00:08:09,800 --> 00:08:14,600 Speaker 4: by Codge's linebacker, Chuck Brooks quarter Jordan Kovac safeties, like 160 00:08:14,680 --> 00:08:18,480 Speaker 4: I do think highly of those coaches Dave gotten Now 161 00:08:18,680 --> 00:08:22,040 Speaker 4: with the outside voice that the coaching staff has in 162 00:08:22,120 --> 00:08:26,160 Speaker 4: decision making from a personnel standpoint in this organization, that 163 00:08:26,320 --> 00:08:28,880 Speaker 4: group has to reflect the change, just like I mean, 164 00:08:28,960 --> 00:08:31,200 Speaker 4: let's be really, let's get Hi Crunt for something, Just 165 00:08:31,400 --> 00:08:34,040 Speaker 4: like Zach and at the time, Brian Callahan and Dan 166 00:08:34,120 --> 00:08:36,480 Speaker 4: Pitcher led a lot of the change on the offensive 167 00:08:36,520 --> 00:08:38,480 Speaker 4: side of the ball that led to the offensive and 168 00:08:38,559 --> 00:08:39,560 Speaker 4: CoSystem they have now. 169 00:08:39,800 --> 00:08:42,840 Speaker 3: Duke referenced the fact that the two highest paid players 170 00:08:42,880 --> 00:08:45,080 Speaker 3: on each side of the ball were out for a 171 00:08:45,120 --> 00:08:48,920 Speaker 3: good chunk of the season. Zach also said that earlier 172 00:08:48,960 --> 00:08:55,240 Speaker 3: this week, does that feel like a bubbling excuse or 173 00:08:56,160 --> 00:08:57,880 Speaker 3: I don't know if I know the right word, but 174 00:08:58,000 --> 00:08:59,880 Speaker 3: does that feel like something that the Bengals are going 175 00:08:59,920 --> 00:09:01,520 Speaker 3: to hold on to this offseason. 176 00:09:01,520 --> 00:09:05,920 Speaker 4: To you, an area where I expected more reflecting from 177 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:09,480 Speaker 4: Duke was about Trey Hendrick specifically and the decision to 178 00:09:09,520 --> 00:09:11,920 Speaker 4: bring him back this season with all that went on 179 00:09:12,040 --> 00:09:15,240 Speaker 4: with it. That wasn't an area he went and kind 180 00:09:15,240 --> 00:09:18,920 Speaker 4: of my Charlie's reaction to the Henderson side of it 181 00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:21,640 Speaker 4: was well, to a degree, some of it was self 182 00:09:21,640 --> 00:09:24,320 Speaker 4: inflicted by having one of the best players in position 183 00:09:24,360 --> 00:09:27,800 Speaker 4: in the league. Got frustrated about his contract situation when 184 00:09:27,840 --> 00:09:31,000 Speaker 4: you had such a clear opportunity to trade him in 185 00:09:31,040 --> 00:09:32,880 Speaker 4: the off season, so much that that was what I 186 00:09:32,960 --> 00:09:35,680 Speaker 4: was arguing they should do at the time. So I 187 00:09:35,800 --> 00:09:38,600 Speaker 4: don't give them that excuse on the defensive side of 188 00:09:38,600 --> 00:09:41,480 Speaker 4: the ball because they made the decision to bet on 189 00:09:41,520 --> 00:09:45,160 Speaker 4: trade this year, and then offensively, nothing I saw on 190 00:09:45,320 --> 00:09:48,480 Speaker 4: offense made me feel, you know, with Browning and flack 191 00:09:48,559 --> 00:09:51,480 Speaker 4: of Worlds, made me feel like this was anything better 192 00:09:51,520 --> 00:09:54,840 Speaker 4: than a top or then at a bottom five defense 193 00:09:54,880 --> 00:09:57,200 Speaker 4: in the league up until the bye week, like even 194 00:09:57,400 --> 00:10:00,720 Speaker 4: though Burrow was out, the defense was still that bad. 195 00:10:01,120 --> 00:10:03,040 Speaker 4: So I don't put a lot of stock into that excuse. 196 00:10:04,840 --> 00:10:07,760 Speaker 2: I feel like there were multiple times Charlie and referencing 197 00:10:08,120 --> 00:10:10,440 Speaker 2: some of the misses in last offseason that he went 198 00:10:10,559 --> 00:10:13,800 Speaker 2: back to the good things that they did and obviously 199 00:10:13,800 --> 00:10:16,640 Speaker 2: getting the Jamar Chase deal, getting the t Higgins deal done. 200 00:10:16,920 --> 00:10:19,520 Speaker 2: Did it feel at any point like he was pushing 201 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:22,440 Speaker 2: towards Joe Burrow a little bit and maybe why this 202 00:10:22,679 --> 00:10:26,000 Speaker 2: roster has gone through some of the shortcomings. He used 203 00:10:26,160 --> 00:10:29,320 Speaker 2: the term kind of building around it a quarterback, we've 204 00:10:29,320 --> 00:10:32,520 Speaker 2: taken great pains in building around Do you feel like 205 00:10:32,559 --> 00:10:35,320 Speaker 2: there's a little bit of push towards Joe Burrow on 206 00:10:35,360 --> 00:10:36,720 Speaker 2: maybe some of the shortcomings? 207 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:39,920 Speaker 4: Yeah, that great pain squat. I think that's what I'm 208 00:10:39,920 --> 00:10:41,640 Speaker 4: going to lead with. That's what I'm going to write 209 00:10:41,640 --> 00:10:45,000 Speaker 4: about today, because the subtext for all of this is, well, 210 00:10:45,040 --> 00:10:48,000 Speaker 4: if they don't fix it, what happened to Burrow? Well, 211 00:10:48,840 --> 00:10:51,280 Speaker 4: I think kind of what you felt you sank today 212 00:10:51,480 --> 00:10:54,880 Speaker 4: was we're building this for him. We want this to 213 00:10:54,920 --> 00:10:57,520 Speaker 4: be his show. We want to build a team kind 214 00:10:57,520 --> 00:11:00,480 Speaker 4: of in his image because we believe that in addition 215 00:11:00,520 --> 00:11:03,559 Speaker 4: to the fact that that's what Burrow believes. So kind 216 00:11:03,559 --> 00:11:05,520 Speaker 4: of the subtext from that is, so, then when it 217 00:11:05,559 --> 00:11:08,360 Speaker 4: doesn't work out, well, we're living and guying with Joe 218 00:11:08,360 --> 00:11:11,240 Speaker 4: Burrow and me myself, I'd also be in the borough business. 219 00:11:11,360 --> 00:11:14,240 Speaker 4: But then the flip side that we keep going back 220 00:11:14,280 --> 00:11:17,160 Speaker 4: to is you have to build the thing around Joe 221 00:11:17,559 --> 00:11:20,920 Speaker 4: while also at least hitting on a single defensive free agent. 222 00:11:21,280 --> 00:11:22,520 Speaker 4: Since twenty twenty. 223 00:11:22,240 --> 00:11:26,280 Speaker 3: Two, do you feel like they have a plan yet 224 00:11:26,800 --> 00:11:29,600 Speaker 3: or are they still trying to put it together? And 225 00:11:29,600 --> 00:11:31,800 Speaker 3: that's maybe why he didn't have answers for a plan. 226 00:11:33,679 --> 00:11:36,480 Speaker 4: From what I've kind of heard going back to December, 227 00:11:36,520 --> 00:11:38,959 Speaker 4: and Duke said this today, the little pass restord is 228 00:11:38,960 --> 00:11:41,000 Speaker 4: going to play in this offseason, and I think that's 229 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:44,040 Speaker 4: what they view is the quickest path there. I think 230 00:11:43,679 --> 00:11:46,400 Speaker 4: that it's kind of going to be the off season 231 00:11:46,400 --> 00:11:49,760 Speaker 4: of the defensive line. Aside from that, like what is 232 00:11:49,760 --> 00:11:52,720 Speaker 4: the plant linebacker? I think that's something they probably still 233 00:11:52,760 --> 00:11:55,199 Speaker 4: have to flush through. What's the plan in the slot, 234 00:11:55,400 --> 00:11:57,920 Speaker 4: Like the most interesting thing to me is how do 235 00:11:57,960 --> 00:12:00,960 Speaker 4: they want to schematically use their slot corner next year? 236 00:12:01,280 --> 00:12:03,640 Speaker 4: So what is that? How does that impact of personnel? 237 00:12:03,720 --> 00:12:06,360 Speaker 4: You haven't added the room, like, I can see how 238 00:12:06,360 --> 00:12:11,160 Speaker 4: they're still working through all that. But generally, I do 239 00:12:11,240 --> 00:12:13,840 Speaker 4: feel like there'll be something in free agency with a 240 00:12:13,880 --> 00:12:15,079 Speaker 4: priority up front. 241 00:12:15,559 --> 00:12:17,560 Speaker 3: The last question, and I think there were a couple 242 00:12:17,559 --> 00:12:20,880 Speaker 3: of questions about the linebackers, and Dukes seemed to think 243 00:12:20,960 --> 00:12:26,800 Speaker 3: that those two, specifically Demetrius Knight Junior and Barrett Carter 244 00:12:26,880 --> 00:12:30,680 Speaker 3: had kind of been trending in the right direction and 245 00:12:30,720 --> 00:12:33,520 Speaker 3: taking the steps that they were looking for. Do you 246 00:12:33,640 --> 00:12:39,560 Speaker 3: feel like that is accurate? Do you do you think 247 00:12:39,559 --> 00:12:41,760 Speaker 3: there's a chance that, based off the way that those 248 00:12:41,800 --> 00:12:44,240 Speaker 3: guys finished in the competition that they played against, that 249 00:12:44,280 --> 00:12:47,839 Speaker 3: he's overvaluing the trend of those linebackers. 250 00:12:49,320 --> 00:12:53,120 Speaker 4: No, how I see this linebacker room going kind of 251 00:12:53,120 --> 00:12:56,520 Speaker 4: from what I've heard is they still want Baron and 252 00:12:56,559 --> 00:12:59,199 Speaker 4: Demetrius to be to be set up in roles that 253 00:12:59,240 --> 00:13:01,000 Speaker 4: played in their stre And I went to all their 254 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:03,960 Speaker 4: film last week. Personally I saw enough that there are 255 00:13:04,240 --> 00:13:06,960 Speaker 4: some specific things that you would want them on the 256 00:13:06,960 --> 00:13:10,720 Speaker 4: field doing. But then adding I keep calling it the 257 00:13:10,720 --> 00:13:14,320 Speaker 4: Alex Kpolv linebackers is something I've gotten the sense that 258 00:13:14,320 --> 00:13:16,840 Speaker 4: they're interested in as well. You hurt you talk about 259 00:13:16,960 --> 00:13:20,000 Speaker 4: leadership in the middle of that defense today, That to 260 00:13:20,040 --> 00:13:22,320 Speaker 4: me was a subcute on what they could add in 261 00:13:22,400 --> 00:13:25,560 Speaker 4: the linebacker room. From a veteran perspective and then maybe 262 00:13:25,600 --> 00:13:29,040 Speaker 4: one other like minor role player around them, while still 263 00:13:29,080 --> 00:13:32,440 Speaker 4: giving both Knight and Carter a runway if they splashed. 264 00:13:32,640 --> 00:13:34,959 Speaker 4: You can't give up on them, that would you know? 265 00:13:35,120 --> 00:13:37,240 Speaker 4: We can talk about down the road why they still 266 00:13:37,320 --> 00:13:39,400 Speaker 4: can't give up on these young guys as a whole, 267 00:13:39,679 --> 00:13:42,160 Speaker 4: because that's what would set them back the most, but 268 00:13:42,640 --> 00:13:45,240 Speaker 4: giving them that runway while still adding a veteran and 269 00:13:45,320 --> 00:13:48,120 Speaker 4: kind of just kind of platuning them for lack of 270 00:13:48,160 --> 00:13:49,240 Speaker 4: a better term. 271 00:13:49,360 --> 00:13:51,440 Speaker 2: Charlie, Man, I can't thank you enough for Uh. I 272 00:13:51,480 --> 00:13:53,120 Speaker 2: know it's a busy day. I know a technic. I 273 00:13:53,160 --> 00:13:55,360 Speaker 2: know you got work to do as well, So thank 274 00:13:55,400 --> 00:13:57,440 Speaker 2: you so much for jumping on with us moving around 275 00:13:57,480 --> 00:13:59,760 Speaker 2: your schedule. What's the easiest way that folks can follow 276 00:13:59,760 --> 00:14:02,560 Speaker 2: along now with your reaction and your coverage and what 277 00:14:02,600 --> 00:14:04,880 Speaker 2: you got coming up after this Duketobin press conference. 278 00:14:05,840 --> 00:14:07,960 Speaker 4: We got that at Charlie shockboard, we got that at 279 00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:10,800 Speaker 4: Fox nineteen. And thanks for having me up, Charlie. 280 00:14:10,800 --> 00:14:13,680 Speaker 2: Thanks so much, man, have a great weekend. Yea, you too, 281 00:14:16,120 --> 00:14:20,920 Speaker 2: Charlie Goldsmith. This is incredible, man, This is incredible. I 282 00:14:21,280 --> 00:14:23,040 Speaker 2: just I'm glad we had that with Charlie to kind 283 00:14:23,040 --> 00:14:24,120 Speaker 2: of get some stuff out there. 284 00:14:24,520 --> 00:14:32,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, I just feel I feel a frustration that it 285 00:14:32,440 --> 00:14:35,640 Speaker 3: didn't seem to be that there doesn't seem to be 286 00:14:35,680 --> 00:14:39,240 Speaker 3: a definitive plan as to how we're going to fix 287 00:14:39,360 --> 00:14:40,080 Speaker 3: what went wrong. 288 00:14:40,200 --> 00:14:40,440 Speaker 4: Yep. 289 00:14:40,720 --> 00:14:44,240 Speaker 3: And it also felt like it wasn't as bad as 290 00:14:44,280 --> 00:14:44,920 Speaker 3: we all thought. 291 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:47,400 Speaker 2: It was a lot of we recognize things were bad, 292 00:14:47,560 --> 00:14:49,360 Speaker 2: we're going to fix it, and then how they didn't 293 00:14:49,400 --> 00:14:50,000 Speaker 2: really have the how. 294 00:14:50,320 --> 00:14:52,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, And I don't know if that's that they just 295 00:14:52,680 --> 00:14:54,640 Speaker 3: don't want to share that or they don't have that 296 00:14:54,720 --> 00:14:58,560 Speaker 3: plan together yet. He said a lot of the things 297 00:14:58,560 --> 00:15:01,040 Speaker 3: I want him to say. You know, I always use 298 00:15:01,120 --> 00:15:03,840 Speaker 3: the term that when you step foot out of bed 299 00:15:03,840 --> 00:15:06,160 Speaker 3: in the morning, you should be doing everything you can 300 00:15:06,240 --> 00:15:08,360 Speaker 3: to help the team win a Super Bowl. Duke said 301 00:15:08,400 --> 00:15:12,280 Speaker 3: that almost verbatim. He also talked about how it drives 302 00:15:12,360 --> 00:15:14,560 Speaker 3: him nuts that they lose games and that this is 303 00:15:14,600 --> 00:15:18,160 Speaker 3: his life, livelihood and it's all he's ever known. These 304 00:15:18,160 --> 00:15:20,840 Speaker 3: are all things I want to hear from the person 305 00:15:20,880 --> 00:15:26,240 Speaker 3: in charge of building my football team. But that's pointless 306 00:15:26,520 --> 00:15:28,880 Speaker 3: if you don't have a system and a call to 307 00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:31,600 Speaker 3: action and a plan to be able to execute it. 308 00:15:31,880 --> 00:15:34,920 Speaker 3: And your plan has to be more than we've done 309 00:15:34,960 --> 00:15:35,440 Speaker 3: it before. 310 00:15:35,600 --> 00:15:35,760 Speaker 4: Yep. 311 00:15:36,040 --> 00:15:39,320 Speaker 3: Okay. Well to me, the more I think about it, 312 00:15:39,360 --> 00:15:41,600 Speaker 3: the more he says, Okay, we've done it before twice 313 00:15:41,600 --> 00:15:43,880 Speaker 3: in a decade, Then that's yeah, you done twice in 314 00:15:43,960 --> 00:15:47,480 Speaker 3: twenty years? Really? Then then it's like, okay, well, are 315 00:15:47,480 --> 00:15:48,840 Speaker 3: you just going to do what you did in twenty 316 00:15:48,840 --> 00:15:51,760 Speaker 3: one right? Because that almost feels like that's what they're 317 00:15:51,800 --> 00:15:52,560 Speaker 3: trying to set up. 318 00:15:52,640 --> 00:15:55,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a lot. It's a lot to take in 319 00:15:55,840 --> 00:15:57,960 Speaker 2: and something we'll respond to a lot next week as well. 320 00:15:57,960 --> 00:15:59,680 Speaker 2: We'll try to get in a few of your talkbacks. 321 00:15:59,720 --> 00:16:02,240 Speaker 2: Next we've got Moleggar still to react to everything and 322 00:16:02,600 --> 00:16:05,560 Speaker 2: continue on hour three. What a Friday it's been on 323 00:16:05,720 --> 00:16:07,600 Speaker 2: ESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati Sports Station. 324 00:16:08,320 --> 00:16:12,280 Speaker 1: From free agency to the draft and everything in between. 325 00:16:12,600 --> 00:16:17,480 Speaker 1: We've got the Bengals off season covered on ESPN fifteen thirty, 326 00:16:17,760 --> 00:16:20,080 Speaker 1: the official home of the Bengals.