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Speaker 1: column the meantime, Welcome back to the fifty five KRC

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Speaker 1: Morning Show from Americans for Prosperity, Donovan and Neil. Always

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Speaker 1: good to having you on the show. My friend got

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Speaker 1: a little to updates on our property tax situation here

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Speaker 1: in the state of Ohio, one of my favorite topics.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we've got some good news. Thelution is moving and

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Speaker 2: it's not bad bills, Brian, We're not We're not growing government.

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Speaker 2: We might be shrinking it here. So this is good.

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Speaker 1: This is good.

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Speaker 2: Well, Well, yesterday in the House Ways and Means Committee,

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Speaker 2: well wind this back a little bit. We identified some

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Speaker 2: priority legislation around property tax reform beginning of this fall session,

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Speaker 2: two bills, House Bill one eighty six and House Bill

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Speaker 2: three thirty five. Both of those bills were voted out

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Speaker 2: of the House Ways and Means Committee in Columbus to

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Speaker 2: yesterday with a bipartisan eleven to one vote Wow accounts.

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Speaker 2: What these do is these, in short, tackle and address

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Speaker 2: the spikes in increases we've all seen, making some changes

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Speaker 2: in a couple of different ways, but address, at the

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Speaker 2: end of the day, Brian, the spikes that so many

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Speaker 2: people have seen that I think really have put us

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Speaker 2: in this property tax crisis. We're all trying to figure

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Speaker 2: our way out of.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's break them down. What does House Bill

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Speaker 1: one to eighty six do specifically that we are now

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Speaker 1: happy about it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So what one eighty six does is it caps

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Speaker 2: spikes in school property tax to inflation while also giving

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Speaker 2: a retroactive credit. So we're going to wind the clock

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Speaker 2: back just a little bit here and say, hey, you

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Speaker 2: know back I believe it is in twenty twenty three,

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Speaker 2: back a couple of years. Instead of allowing these increases

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Speaker 2: to occur where you had the double whammy of inflation

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Speaker 2: and massive property tax increases, our property valuation increases resulting

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Speaker 2: in thirty forty fifty percent valuation going up right and

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Speaker 2: seeing your paces go up. In an equivalent manner, we're

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Speaker 2: going to cap it to inflation so they don't get

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Speaker 2: more than what inflation would be that provides. That means

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Speaker 2: we're only seeing potentially if we go back to Bidenomics.

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Speaker 2: Lord knows, we don't need to go back there. But

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Speaker 2: in that same timeframe, instead of forty percent, we would

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Speaker 2: have only seen an eight or nine percent increase in taxes.

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Speaker 2: Still a lot Brian, but much much different in helping

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Speaker 2: to smooth out these christs. This this sort of effect

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Speaker 2: we've seen in the last couple of years.

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Speaker 1: So this prevention of sudden spikes to the rate of inflation,

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Speaker 1: I'm going to guess my bubble has been burst because

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Speaker 1: I was hoping that that would limit levees to the

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Speaker 1: rate of inflation. But that doesn't apply to a separate levee,

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Speaker 1: does it.

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Speaker 2: I believe it's I mean, it's property tax levees, so

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Speaker 2: you know if you've got.

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Speaker 1: But that's not a valuations that's not a valuation generated spike.

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Speaker 1: That's because voters say, oh, okay, I'll go ahead and

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Speaker 1: have my taxes increase and give the schools more money.

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Speaker 1: I'm kind of being cheeky here, man. I just but

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Speaker 1: at least one eight six gets us out of the

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Speaker 1: hell hole that will was created in the aftermath of

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Speaker 1: COVID when the valuations of homes went through the roof,

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Speaker 1: and then we had the triennial evaluation. That's when we

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Speaker 1: got our thirty percent plus increase.

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Speaker 2: Yes, Yes, and I think some of the things that

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Speaker 2: we want to see happen to address what you're talking

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Speaker 2: about there, right, the levees going up, we did not

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Speaker 2: being addressed here, but we would say, hey, you should

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Speaker 2: actually have to have a larger amount of the vote

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Speaker 2: to get that done.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 2: You can't get that done off of a fifty plus

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Speaker 2: one majority. If you're going to increase everyone in your

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Speaker 2: community's taxes, you probably need to be more two thirds, right,

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Speaker 2: three fifths majority. It needs to be a clear demand

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Speaker 2: signal from the voters that yes, we want to give

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Speaker 2: more of our money to the to the local political

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Speaker 2: subdivision asking for it. We'll continue to work on that.

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Speaker 1: Oh, that is something that's being discussed.

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Speaker 2: Then, yeah, it's one of the it's an element of

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Speaker 2: the Truth and Taxation package of reform that will help

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Speaker 2: empower you know, put the put the power back in

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Speaker 2: the hands of the taxpayer rather than the political subdivisions

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Speaker 2: where so much of that power exists today.

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Speaker 1: All right, As in minitial responses, that sounds like a

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Speaker 1: pretty solid idea going forward to people are responsible for

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Speaker 1: that's fine, but you know your neighbor may not be

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Speaker 1: in a position to cover that. And so the idea

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Speaker 1: of having a stronger number of people required to approve

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Speaker 1: a tax levy, I think that is a sound concept.

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Speaker 1: So fingers crossed it that one kind of moves forward

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Speaker 1: House Bill three thirty five. This one also moved out

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Speaker 1: of committee. Was it a comparable eleven to one bipartisan vote? Surprisingly,

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Speaker 1: so it was holy goo.

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Speaker 2: I know, well, what this does is this tackles the

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Speaker 2: inside millage, and so to get two wonky on a

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Speaker 2: Wednesday morning, but every political there's ten mills of property

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Speaker 2: tax levied in every CA and that inside millage. What

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Speaker 2: this does is it ties that growth as well to inflation,

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Speaker 2: while also giving the ability like this for volunteery reductions.

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Speaker 2: And so the local governments can look around and say, hey,

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Speaker 2: actually we want to lower the amount of money we're

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Speaker 2: collecting off of inside millage to provide relief to our taxpayers.

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Speaker 1: And so.

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Speaker 2: Most importantly though, it's that inflationary right, tying things to

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Speaker 2: inflation rather than you know, you didn't at a garage.

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Speaker 2: You didn't you know, make any major modifications to your house.

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Speaker 2: You didn't go out and like tap into that unrealized

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Speaker 2: those unrealized gains. As your house's value has gone up,

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Speaker 2: you're being taxed on it. Right, that's wrong, and we're

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Speaker 2: gonna they're fixing that with House Bill three thirty five.

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Speaker 1: All right, Well, sounds like progress in the right direction.

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Speaker 1: When is it going to come up for a full vote?

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Speaker 1: And does it have the support of Governor Mike Dwine

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Speaker 1: who vetoed it, vetoed some provisions in the budget which

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Speaker 1: would have addressed some of these property tax issues. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think these sorts of ideas were included in

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Speaker 2: the Governor's Overall Study Committee. Right, everybody is sort of

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Speaker 2: aeed around these ideas, So I think this is universally accepted.

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Speaker 2: It should get a vote this afternoon. Both of these

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Speaker 2: should get votes this afternoon during the House session. Now

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Speaker 2: it has to go to the Senate receive a number

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Speaker 2: of hearings, but all indications are that this is especially

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Speaker 2: with the bipartisan support, These are ideas that are going

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Speaker 2: to move fairly quickly and get to the Governor's Desk

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Speaker 2: eighty six is key because that will provide a relief

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Speaker 2: for folks on their second half year tax bills. Oh,

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Speaker 2: five hundred million dollars across the state.

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Speaker 1: Oh so some immediate relief that. Okay, I like that.

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Speaker 1: I like that. All right, Well there's what you look

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Speaker 1: I mean. I guess you're not suggesting that this is

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Speaker 1: in jeopardy, that this isn't going to be a squeak,

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Speaker 1: or considering eleven to one out of the committee, we

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Speaker 1: don't need to call to action, to call up our

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Speaker 1: elected officials and columbus and demand that they vote in

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Speaker 1: favor of this. It looks like a foregun conclusion if

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Speaker 1: you had to read some tea leaves there. Donovan Brian

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Speaker 1: was always.

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Speaker 2: As foot on the peddle here.

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Speaker 1: We don't give up, just you don't slow down just

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Speaker 1: because things are head in the director all right, email,

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Speaker 1: phone calls, some kind of outreach. Is it can't hurt

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Speaker 1: Donald Neil doesn't hurt? What else are what what's the

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Speaker 1: next step in property tax relief that AFP's looking for.

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Speaker 1: Is it what we just talked about or is there

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Speaker 1: something else that looks like it could be ready to

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Speaker 1: be teed up? To give us even further relief because

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Speaker 1: I know there was like twenty or twenty five different

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Speaker 1: action plan items that had been established ahead of the

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Speaker 1: budget vote. But also in this sort of post veto

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Speaker 1: budget group that the DWINE put together, well, I think.

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Speaker 2: There's like forty some plus different bills that are out

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Speaker 2: there that that you know, do some type of some

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Speaker 2: type of reform. I think what we what we want

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Speaker 2: to continue to see is some of that truth and

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Speaker 2: taxation stuff that I was talking about. Right, Let's make

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Speaker 2: sure that the taxpayers are empowered with the authority to

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Speaker 2: you know, you got to get a you got to

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Speaker 2: convince a large number of your tax base to support

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Speaker 2: an increase. The other piece I think that continues to

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Speaker 2: be talked about is surrounding county budget commissions, and so

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Speaker 2: this could provide a really important stopgap measure local accountability

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Speaker 2: measure comprised of your auditor, treasurer, and other prosecutor. Depending

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Speaker 2: on how it's set up to be that voice of

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Speaker 2: the taxpayer, those folks have brian a county wide view

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Speaker 2: of what's going on, right, rather than just being focused

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Speaker 2: looking at the county at Hole. And what I think

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Speaker 2: that what we think that can do is really help

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Speaker 2: provide another on the taxpayer. Say hey, you know, schools, cities,

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Speaker 2: town trips, you all are collecting all this money, how

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Speaker 2: much of it do you actually need? And what can

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Speaker 2: you do to maybe adjust or not grow as much

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Speaker 2: because it actually has an impact, right Brian. High taxes

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Speaker 2: have an impact on the econom health of a county.

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Speaker 2: So this County Budget Commission that already exists, that already

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Speaker 2: does a lot of that. It just needs the authority

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Speaker 2: really to be able to be able to say, no,

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Speaker 2: you're not gonna you know, you're sitting on one hundred

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Speaker 2: got another levee approved. You don't need more money. You

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Speaker 2: don't need it. There's no real purpose, right you're providing

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Speaker 2: quality services that County Budget Commission. If if we can

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Speaker 2: empower and strengthen that further, and there's some ideas kicking

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Speaker 2: around around that that would help address I think more

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Speaker 2: of those problems and keep it at a local level,

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Speaker 2: rather than allowing the state to come in and intervene,

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Speaker 2: which is what some folks want. Let's keep it local

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Speaker 2: and that's what we can do here.

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Speaker 1: With this all right call to action? Where do you

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Speaker 1: want my listeners to go for this and other issues?

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Speaker 1: Donald and Neil for Americans for Prosperity, Well, Buckeye.

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Speaker 2: Blueprint dot Com, go there, take action, sign up. We've

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Speaker 2: got chapters and action committees popping up all over the

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Speaker 2: state on this and many many other issues. Thank you,

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Speaker 2: brain has always for sharing your megaphone with on Wednesday morning.

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Speaker 1: Happy to do it, Donovan, and God bless you and

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Speaker 1: Americans were prospering for the wonderful work that you're doing

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Speaker 1: next Wednesday, and I hope you bring some more news.

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Speaker 1: Are a good news our way? Well, we'll do take care.

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Speaker 1: Thanks brother seven thirty nine. Right now I fifty five

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