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Speaker 1: talk station. Happy Tuesday. I always look forward to this time.

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Speaker 1: Special things go on on a Tuesday. Here the fifty

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Speaker 1: five caris some morning show, including this segment. Tune in

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Speaker 1: every Tuesday at this time to hear Daniel Davis with

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Speaker 1: a Daniel Davis a deep dive youtitle looking at the

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Speaker 1: Colonel of Daniel Davis breaking down the situation today in Iran,

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Speaker 1: the latest in Russia and Ukraine. Welcome back, my friend.

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Speaker 1: It's always great having you on the morning show, Sir.

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Speaker 2: Always a pleasure to be here.

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Speaker 1: Brian, if you don't mind, let's start with Iran. I

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Speaker 1: know we have talked so many times, and I share

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Speaker 1: your concern about launching a military strike on Iran. This

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Speaker 1: is regime change you've outlined many times, how unbelievably explosive,

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Speaker 1: no pun intended. This would be military bases at risk.

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Speaker 1: The Iranians have a lot of missiles, they can launch

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Speaker 1: a lot of targets close by they can hit. It's

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Speaker 1: going to be real chaotic, it's going to be very bloody,

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Speaker 1: and we're going to lose a lot of human life

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Speaker 1: doing this. And of course I back off and start

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Speaker 1: with the problem that Well, I would like to have

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Speaker 1: a declaration of war in Congress before we start dropping

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Speaker 1: bombs and entering regime change. But that pesky constitution is

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Speaker 1: always going to be in the background. But as I

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Speaker 1: read the Wall Street Journal today Jared Maslin reporting on

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Speaker 1: the economic situation going on in Iran, is it possible

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Speaker 1: that these long term sanctions, which are apparently seriously impacting

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Speaker 1: the Iranians might be the mechanism to go about bringing

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Speaker 1: about a resolution for this, Maybe getting some concessions from

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Speaker 1: the Iranians on missiles, maybe get them to concede on

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Speaker 1: the nuclear Enrichmond program. What we've been looking for, at

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Speaker 1: least what we say we're looking for, because basically their

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Speaker 1: currency has tanked. Shopkeepers can't sell goods at a profit,

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Speaker 1: people can't afford anything. There is a massive amount of

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Speaker 1: economic uncertainty because of that looming potential military threat. With

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Speaker 1: two carrier groups hanging out in their backyard. I mean,

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of pressure on them, But economically it

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Speaker 1: is a miserable situation going on Iran right now. Is

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Speaker 1: this maybe a pathway to a non warfare resolution of

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Speaker 1: the conflict. I hate to throw it at you that way.

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Speaker 1: But that's where I am this morning, Daniel.

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Speaker 2: Well, I got we got to shut off, first of

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Speaker 2: all and say what is the conflict resolution terms that

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Speaker 2: we want? And you know, some people claim because that's

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Speaker 2: some of the terms that are being tossed around is

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Speaker 2: is no long range missiles, no support for the proxies,

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Speaker 2: and no nuclear Richmond. But I think that's just a canard.

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Speaker 2: I don't think that that's the issue at all. I

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Speaker 2: think that the reason why people are on the on

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Speaker 2: the side that we're saying that, and a lot of

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Speaker 2: that comes out of Israel, is because they know that

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Speaker 2: Iran can't apply abide by those so they're just using

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Speaker 2: that as reason to show then will when the fails.

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Speaker 2: Talking they're in Geneva today talking about that, then they

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Speaker 2: can say, well, we tried everything and now here we go,

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Speaker 2: we're going to have a regime change. To answer your

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Speaker 2: direct question about the economics, first of all, it's important

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Speaker 2: that Best went on before the Congress and explained that

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Speaker 2: the only reason that they're in such dire economic conditions

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Speaker 2: today is because we intentionally sank their currency for the

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Speaker 2: purpose of causing this riot that happened. So we're trying

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Speaker 2: to do that to bring them to that point. But

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Speaker 2: the answer is that Iran can't agree to those because

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Speaker 2: if they do, it's literal suicide and they have acknowledged such.

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Speaker 2: Because if they don't have long range missiles, they can't

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Speaker 2: defend themselves and they are utterly powerless to be completely

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Speaker 2: a future day. So they can't do that. No matter

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Speaker 2: but it is a literal life and death issue for them,

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Speaker 2: So there is no chance that they can agree to that.

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Speaker 2: And therefore I think we're pursuing the only option, and

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Speaker 2: there is which Mark Tiessen on Fox News last night said, Look,

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Speaker 1: Well indulge me for a moment if I may engage

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Speaker 1: in fantasy land here, Davis, this they can't capitulate. Does

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Speaker 1: that spring from the legitimate fear over Israel attacking them?

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Speaker 1: Does it spring from the religious fundamentalism against Israel Jewish

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Speaker 1: They don't want to get into a war period, end

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Speaker 1: of story, because of all the loss of life. Fine,

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Speaker 1: let's just say theoretically you could get them to enter

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Speaker 1: to be a nice, let's play together neighbor. Like other

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Speaker 1: I know it's a pipe dream, but if you could

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Speaker 1: convince them that, then they wouldn't be giving up anything.

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Speaker 1: They could still control their country. They just wouldn't be

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Speaker 1: engaging in proxy wars and fundamental funding terrorism. I know

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Speaker 1: I'm wrong.

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Speaker 2: Well, here's the problem with that. Iran wants to do that.

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Speaker 2: They are pleading with anyone who will listen, to include

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Speaker 2: The problem is Israel doesn't want that, so they do

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Speaker 2: because for what lack it or hate it. Israel has

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Speaker 2: not just him, but they said they cannot live with

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Speaker 2: Iran existing. So the only thing they would be satisfied

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Speaker 2: live to attack other countries. Despite that's what's claimed all

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Speaker 2: never launched any attack directly into Israel until twenty twenty

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Speaker 2: four in response to what they were attacked, Meaning from

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Speaker 2: that is a political slogan because they have been attacked,

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Speaker 1: Well, and of course the argument Israel would make, and

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Speaker 1: haven't directly attacked Israel, but has Baal and Hamas and

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Speaker 1: these other terrorist organizations, have you just basically waging a

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Speaker 2: Right? Absolutely, yes, And that is what a lot of

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Speaker 2: raise these up because like a lot of this happened

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Speaker 2: that's one of the reasons there too. So to them,

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Speaker 2: it's a matter of chicken egg kind of thing. And

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Speaker 2: both sides think that, well, ours originated first, and then

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Speaker 1: And vice versa.

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Speaker 2: And so you have a situation right now where both

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Speaker 2: sides have profound distrust from the other side, and something's

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Speaker 2: got to change if we're ever going to live in peace,

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Speaker 2: and both sides have to accept the existence of the other.

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Speaker 2: That means Iran has to accept the issue existence of Israel,

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Speaker 2: and vice versa. And right now I don't see either

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Speaker 1: If the United States refocused its effort on Israel, saying listen, Israel,

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Speaker 1: your hardline stance on eradicating Iran is just it's a

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Speaker 1: non starter. Look what's happened here, Look what we're doing.

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Speaker 1: And I would argue, at least I think Daniel Davis

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Speaker 1: with it, we risk destabilizing the Middle East in so

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Speaker 2: You are one hundred percent spot on correct. That is

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Speaker 2: exactly right. If the United States just used its leverage

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Speaker 2: each other. I can understand that. But we're not going

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Speaker 2: even succeed, because understand that Iran to succeed has to

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Speaker 2: just not be destroyed. All they've got to do is survive. We,

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Speaker 2: on the other hand, have to have a victory, so

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Speaker 2: our standards are much much higher and much more difficult

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Speaker 2: destabilize the region. And you are also right on the

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Speaker 2: all these people who have in the tea with Iran

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Speaker 2: lot of room to do exactly what you said, and

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Speaker 2: that's what President Trump should do in my view.

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Speaker 1: Okay, it sounds like a logical and reasonable step or

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Speaker 1: measure to take before we go into a full on war.

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Speaker 1: Daniel Davis Daniel Davis Deep Die find his podcast wherever

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Speaker 1: you find your podcast, and of course tune in every Tuesday.

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Speaker 1: At this time, the Kremlin said, look, we'll hear will

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Speaker 1: halt airstrikes if Zelenski allows the vote, okay, for one

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Speaker 1: day during the vote, they will halt airstrikes. So it

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Speaker 1: doesn't seem to be much of a concession, and I

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Speaker 1: think it's a logical and reasonable thing for them to say.

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Speaker 1: But meanwhile, Selenski is asking for you the United States

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Speaker 1: to back security guarantees, and it sounds me like this

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Speaker 1: is putting the car before the horse, or vice versa.

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Speaker 1: Some are suggesting I think Donald Trump is suggesting, No,

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Speaker 1: we need to work out these land swaps. We need

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Speaker 1: to get the territorial discussions resolved in a discussion over

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Speaker 1: peace before we can entertain the idea of whatever, if

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Speaker 1: any security guarantee we're going to be providing in terms

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Speaker 1: of the negotiation strategy. I'm a little confused on that.

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Speaker 1: But if we are going to be providing some security guarantee,

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Speaker 1: I'm thinking, uh, okay, this looks like we're going to

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Speaker 1: a going forward basis. I don't want to bite off

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Speaker 1: that challenge. I think we're a little short on money

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Speaker 1: generally speaking, and military resources generally. Daniel Davis, so where

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Speaker 1: is this going if anywhere, sir, Yeah, where.

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Speaker 2: It's going to is a military defeat for Ukraine and

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Speaker 2: a military victory for Russia. That's where it's heading because

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Speaker 2: the West at large, and primarily that means Ukraine and

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Speaker 2: because they will not agree to the things that Russia

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Speaker 2: has been saying from twenty twenty two forward April twenty

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Speaker 2: war to an end, and they've never changed their conditions.

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Speaker 2: Number one is the territory that you mentioned. Number two

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Speaker 2: is what they call denocification, demilitarization and no NATO that

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Speaker 2: those are the things that they say are the core

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Speaker 2: Ukraine and Europe are saying we're not going to solve

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Speaker 2: any of those. In fact, we're going to have a

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Speaker 2: Nobody's going to tell us anything about what's going to

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Speaker 2: security guarantees with European boots on the ground in Ukraine,

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Speaker 2: which is a complete non starter. That's why Russia went

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Speaker 2: until it eventually succeeds, and eventually they will just by

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Speaker 2: inertia and overall force of numbers. It's a math problem,

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Speaker 2: and Ukraine in Europe seem oblivious to it.

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Speaker 1: I don't understand, and this has been the ongoing problem

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Speaker 1: you and I've been struggling with for a long long time.

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Speaker 1: Where's this magical new army going to come from? Daniel Davis?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you just look at the numbers. France and Germany

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Speaker 2: and if you took all and I mean all of

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Speaker 2: are those countries going to completely denude themselves of their

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Speaker 2: I mean that's even theoretical that if they ever got

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Speaker 2: I mean, where's the money going to come from it?

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Speaker 2: It's irrational even from their perspective. And yet that's where

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Speaker 1: Well, maybe as long as they had the United States

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Speaker 1: sitting military bases in their backyard, they'll expect us to

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Speaker 2: Just the thought, well be over put the cubosh on

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Speaker 2: that in Munich for sure, thinking that this is the

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Speaker 2: reason why what value do we have being a member

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Speaker 2: of NATO if they don't even have an army to

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Speaker 2: defend themselves, or US pursuing to a defense treaty, it's

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Speaker 2: just a Daniel Davis always love talking with you man.

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Speaker 2: Always my pleasure, Brian, see you next week.

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