1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:00,600 Speaker 1: Michael. 2 00:00:01,120 --> 00:00:04,600 Speaker 2: If you watched Planet Earth one, the documentary, they were 3 00:00:04,720 --> 00:00:08,959 Speaker 2: raving about the polar Bears. Like Planet Earth two, they 4 00:00:09,000 --> 00:00:12,720 Speaker 2: had moved away from the Polar Bears and started raving 5 00:00:12,840 --> 00:00:16,680 Speaker 2: about the poor walruses and how they were throwing themselves 6 00:00:16,680 --> 00:00:19,160 Speaker 2: off of cliffs because it wasn't any ice. 7 00:00:20,520 --> 00:00:24,200 Speaker 3: So yeah, they know, oh they know. 8 00:00:26,120 --> 00:00:31,360 Speaker 1: I am the walrus. Could you you get the reference? 9 00:00:32,360 --> 00:00:36,120 Speaker 3: Yes, I decided to be nice, So I'm just gonna 10 00:00:36,159 --> 00:00:40,600 Speaker 3: let that one go. Why, I mean, I just what 11 00:00:41,920 --> 00:00:43,839 Speaker 3: why you used to look like a walrus? But I 12 00:00:43,920 --> 00:00:45,200 Speaker 3: mean you're good. You're good. 13 00:00:45,240 --> 00:00:46,320 Speaker 2: No, it's fine. 14 00:00:48,320 --> 00:00:51,040 Speaker 1: Are you referring to the talkbacker to me? You? Oh, 15 00:00:51,600 --> 00:00:53,000 Speaker 1: there's something wrong with the talkback? 16 00:00:53,200 --> 00:00:56,520 Speaker 3: Correct? Yeah, okay, there's a lot of things wrong with you. 17 00:00:56,560 --> 00:00:59,520 Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I'm flustered this morning. 18 00:01:00,800 --> 00:01:02,640 Speaker 3: You do seem to be running around like a chicken 19 00:01:02,680 --> 00:01:03,240 Speaker 3: with your head cut. 20 00:01:03,280 --> 00:01:05,160 Speaker 1: I do, just like I keep forgetting to bring things 21 00:01:05,160 --> 00:01:08,320 Speaker 1: into the studio. I forgot my my reading glasses that 22 00:01:08,360 --> 00:01:10,040 Speaker 1: I use because everything here is now, you know, so 23 00:01:10,480 --> 00:01:13,759 Speaker 1: nice and crystal clear and close, you know, change glasses. 24 00:01:13,760 --> 00:01:16,960 Speaker 1: Don't use my other glasses. Uh, left some papers back 25 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:20,880 Speaker 1: in the in the thing. Left my keyword notation. So 26 00:01:20,920 --> 00:01:22,440 Speaker 1: I you know, you think I know what I know 27 00:01:22,600 --> 00:01:24,760 Speaker 1: my heartman now, But just in case I, you know, 28 00:01:24,800 --> 00:01:26,680 Speaker 1: stumble across it, I can always look down at it. 29 00:01:26,720 --> 00:01:28,240 Speaker 3: You want to give it a good test run right now, 30 00:01:28,440 --> 00:01:30,720 Speaker 3: don't look at it. Don't look at it now, try 31 00:01:30,760 --> 00:01:31,480 Speaker 3: and give it a run. 32 00:01:32,080 --> 00:01:34,399 Speaker 1: Coming up the next five minutes is your chance to 33 00:01:34,400 --> 00:01:38,160 Speaker 1: win a thousand bucks with some sort of keyword this 34 00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:40,480 Speaker 1: kind of that Alan Roach is going to say, So 35 00:01:40,760 --> 00:01:42,680 Speaker 1: be sure and listen. Brought to you by Sadie's been 36 00:01:42,760 --> 00:01:46,960 Speaker 1: to Littleton Mercedes a Littleton dot com beautiful. 37 00:01:47,080 --> 00:01:50,520 Speaker 3: See there you go. You got it. It's not in 38 00:01:50,560 --> 00:01:53,280 Speaker 3: the five minutes now, it will be five minutes coming 39 00:01:53,360 --> 00:01:54,720 Speaker 3: up later, So okay, so. 40 00:01:54,720 --> 00:01:57,800 Speaker 1: Can we just use that one? No, no, I'm just saying, 41 00:01:57,840 --> 00:02:00,360 Speaker 1: can we just say that five minutes and then next, 42 00:02:00,440 --> 00:02:02,600 Speaker 1: when's the next when's the one coming. 43 00:02:02,440 --> 00:02:04,600 Speaker 3: Up later on in the hour. 44 00:02:04,960 --> 00:02:07,400 Speaker 1: Okay, so later on in the hour, there will be 45 00:02:07,480 --> 00:02:09,839 Speaker 1: five minutes, so you should just listen for the entire hour. 46 00:02:10,080 --> 00:02:12,040 Speaker 1: So there, I've accompanied the same thing as just trying 47 00:02:12,040 --> 00:02:13,680 Speaker 1: to get people to listen. What do you think we're 48 00:02:13,680 --> 00:02:15,800 Speaker 1: giving a thousand bucks away for? Because I out of 49 00:02:15,800 --> 00:02:19,640 Speaker 1: the goodness of our hearts. Seriously, no, And in fact, 50 00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:22,799 Speaker 1: they'll probably start getting they'll probably stop giving away the 51 00:02:22,880 --> 00:02:26,720 Speaker 1: thousand dollars at any moment now because and of course 52 00:02:26,760 --> 00:02:28,880 Speaker 1: you and I are screwed, you know, know, once again, the 53 00:02:28,919 --> 00:02:31,240 Speaker 1: company's totally screwed up. Did you get the email yesterday? 54 00:02:31,240 --> 00:02:31,840 Speaker 1: Did you read it? 55 00:02:32,240 --> 00:02:36,800 Speaker 3: I'm sure I got an email yesterday. This is a delete, 56 00:02:37,360 --> 00:02:38,000 Speaker 3: Thank goodness. 57 00:02:38,120 --> 00:02:42,080 Speaker 1: I read the emails from the CEO of the company. 58 00:02:42,160 --> 00:02:44,520 Speaker 3: Give me the headline, what was the what was the title. 59 00:02:44,960 --> 00:02:48,800 Speaker 1: iHeart is going to participate in? And I don't know 60 00:02:48,800 --> 00:02:51,519 Speaker 1: what the official name of the Trump accounts are. 61 00:02:52,240 --> 00:02:53,360 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I saw something like that. 62 00:02:53,560 --> 00:02:56,239 Speaker 1: Yeah, they're going to contribute five hundred. Now'm going to 63 00:02:56,240 --> 00:02:59,640 Speaker 1: tribute to thousand dollars. They'll contribute five hundred dollars for 64 00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:02,799 Speaker 1: each I was born to a full time iHeart employee. 65 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:05,440 Speaker 1: I think between the year twenty six, twenty twenty six 66 00:03:05,440 --> 00:03:09,560 Speaker 1: to twenty twenty eight, I found two things hilarious about 67 00:03:09,600 --> 00:03:13,200 Speaker 1: the email. One, of course, iHeart, like a lot of 68 00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:16,600 Speaker 1: other companies are not going to give the full thousand dollars, 69 00:03:16,720 --> 00:03:19,480 Speaker 1: They're going to give five hundreds. So you know you 70 00:03:19,560 --> 00:03:22,200 Speaker 1: got that going because they're going to use the other 71 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:24,560 Speaker 1: five hundred dollars to give away one thousand dollars to 72 00:03:24,560 --> 00:03:26,280 Speaker 1: make sure that people listen to the to the station. 73 00:03:26,440 --> 00:03:29,160 Speaker 1: So you got that going, and then I kept thinking, 74 00:03:30,520 --> 00:03:34,920 Speaker 1: knowing what the C suites politics are, I found it 75 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:38,800 Speaker 1: interesting that it was anything about Trump accounts until you 76 00:03:38,840 --> 00:03:41,880 Speaker 1: got to like the fourth paragraph or so. Then it 77 00:03:41,920 --> 00:03:46,560 Speaker 1: finally said something euphemistically referred to ors are commonly referred 78 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:49,520 Speaker 1: to as the Trump accounts. And I know it pained 79 00:03:49,680 --> 00:03:53,560 Speaker 1: them absolutely paying them to put the word Trump in 80 00:03:53,600 --> 00:03:58,760 Speaker 1: the email, but nonetheless they did. So I'm thinking about this. 81 00:03:59,520 --> 00:04:05,040 Speaker 1: I don't know I won if adoption qualifies, because I 82 00:04:05,040 --> 00:04:07,240 Speaker 1: can adopt you get five in her bucks. You can 83 00:04:07,320 --> 00:04:08,720 Speaker 1: adopt me get five in her buck. 84 00:04:08,760 --> 00:04:10,800 Speaker 3: But it goes to the kid, not to you. 85 00:04:12,600 --> 00:04:14,760 Speaker 1: Well, no, you're going to adopt me as a child, 86 00:04:15,520 --> 00:04:15,760 Speaker 1: is there? 87 00:04:16,160 --> 00:04:16,240 Speaker 4: Like? 88 00:04:17,200 --> 00:04:18,640 Speaker 1: Well, I guess he should have to be a new born. 89 00:04:18,680 --> 00:04:24,120 Speaker 1: You gotta be born between twenty section and twenty twenty. Well, yeah, 90 00:04:24,200 --> 00:04:28,280 Speaker 1: my parents thought so too. Yes, you know, my dad, 91 00:04:28,360 --> 00:04:30,599 Speaker 1: my father in law, delivered me. You know that, right, 92 00:04:30,839 --> 00:04:34,320 Speaker 1: I do recall that story. Yes, And he looked and 93 00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:37,159 Speaker 1: said oops and dropped me missus Brown. I'm so sorry, 94 00:04:37,200 --> 00:04:38,919 Speaker 1: but he didn't do that. Well, maybe it did do 95 00:04:38,960 --> 00:04:42,240 Speaker 1: the damage she was expecting. I don't know. Nonetheless, year, 96 00:04:42,279 --> 00:04:46,200 Speaker 1: I am anywhere. So let's get started, and well I 97 00:04:46,200 --> 00:04:48,520 Speaker 1: want to start out with today are polar bears? Nah, 98 00:04:48,560 --> 00:04:50,640 Speaker 1: I don't need it. Out of polar Bears. I want 99 00:04:50,640 --> 00:04:57,120 Speaker 1: to start out with Ice and then on again, off again. Masks. Oh, 100 00:04:57,200 --> 00:05:00,440 Speaker 1: the Democrats want mask mask, masks, we are They don't 101 00:05:00,440 --> 00:05:02,400 Speaker 1: want masks. You'll take the mask off. You'll take the 102 00:05:02,440 --> 00:05:06,360 Speaker 1: mask off because well, it looks like the Gestapo and 103 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:09,599 Speaker 1: it's it's some sort of secret army that Trumps put together, 104 00:05:10,080 --> 00:05:13,279 Speaker 1: and we want to be able to dock these ICE members. 105 00:05:13,880 --> 00:05:19,120 Speaker 1: And then they realized, wait a minute, uh, we want bodycams. 106 00:05:19,360 --> 00:05:22,240 Speaker 1: We want the mask off, and we want body cams. 107 00:05:22,520 --> 00:05:25,839 Speaker 1: Then they suddenly realized, oh, bodycams is going to create 108 00:05:25,880 --> 00:05:29,440 Speaker 1: a surveillance state, because now all these ICE agents in Minnesota, 109 00:05:29,640 --> 00:05:31,880 Speaker 1: we're going to have body cams on, and now we're 110 00:05:31,880 --> 00:05:34,320 Speaker 1: gonna hear. We're gonna hear and see what really happens. 111 00:05:34,600 --> 00:05:37,880 Speaker 1: Not have to depend upon independent journalists or freelancers or 112 00:05:37,960 --> 00:05:40,640 Speaker 1: the wife of some woman driving a Jeep or Honda whatever. 113 00:05:40,680 --> 00:05:43,200 Speaker 1: It was or you know, anybody else you know that 114 00:05:43,400 --> 00:05:48,960 Speaker 1: was videotaping Alex Pretty. You know, so, oh my gosh. Now, 115 00:05:49,120 --> 00:05:51,599 Speaker 1: so they're they're in a dither. And then they're also 116 00:05:51,680 --> 00:05:54,760 Speaker 1: in a dither because the bottom line is they don't 117 00:05:54,760 --> 00:05:58,960 Speaker 1: want ICE there, because they don't want people who are 118 00:05:58,960 --> 00:06:04,680 Speaker 1: in the country illegally deported. In light of all of that, 119 00:06:05,920 --> 00:06:08,640 Speaker 1: the Justice Department recently announced they're going to open a 120 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:12,839 Speaker 1: civil rights case into the shooting death of that ICU 121 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:16,560 Speaker 1: nurse Alex Pretty by those agents in Minneapolis back on 122 00:06:16,640 --> 00:06:22,839 Speaker 1: January twenty four. Civil rights investigations, though, are standard when 123 00:06:22,880 --> 00:06:25,360 Speaker 1: there is the use of deadly forced by federal agents, 124 00:06:25,839 --> 00:06:28,680 Speaker 1: but this federal investigation is going to be harder than 125 00:06:28,760 --> 00:06:34,680 Speaker 1: it should be. The Minneapolis crime scene where Alex Pretty 126 00:06:34,920 --> 00:06:37,960 Speaker 1: and flat matter Rene Good both were shot by these 127 00:06:37,960 --> 00:06:42,840 Speaker 1: Homeland Security ICE agents could not and was not immediately secured, 128 00:06:44,080 --> 00:06:46,080 Speaker 1: So as a result, a lot of crucial evidence was 129 00:06:46,160 --> 00:06:51,120 Speaker 1: likely contaminated or what it was destroyed. In use of 130 00:06:51,200 --> 00:06:56,800 Speaker 1: deadly force shooting investigations, the forensic evidence, no things, shellcasing, 131 00:06:56,920 --> 00:07:03,839 Speaker 1: gunpowder residue can be crucial because videos never tell the 132 00:07:03,960 --> 00:07:11,320 Speaker 1: whole story. After the Pretty shooting, several law enforcement you know, 133 00:07:11,720 --> 00:07:16,200 Speaker 1: talking heads and experts. A few people, anonymous sources out 134 00:07:16,200 --> 00:07:20,320 Speaker 1: of Homeland security and others started talking about how this 135 00:07:20,400 --> 00:07:23,600 Speaker 1: is going to be pretty difficult. Now. While there are 136 00:07:23,920 --> 00:07:28,680 Speaker 1: multiple videos of the pretty shooting, one former atf senior 137 00:07:28,720 --> 00:07:32,440 Speaker 1: executive who let an elite FBI counter terrorism forensic center, 138 00:07:32,960 --> 00:07:37,160 Speaker 1: said that the most important video angle is missing. This guy, 139 00:07:37,240 --> 00:07:40,680 Speaker 1: Scott Smeethel, a former acting director of the FBI's Terrorist 140 00:07:40,800 --> 00:07:45,760 Speaker 1: Explosive Device Analytical Center, also unless t DAK always got 141 00:07:45,760 --> 00:07:52,120 Speaker 1: to have an acronym right acronym Terrorist Explosive Device Analytical Center. 142 00:07:52,880 --> 00:07:56,120 Speaker 1: He said this, I think people kind of assume that 143 00:07:56,280 --> 00:07:59,960 Speaker 1: because you have good quality video or videos, it tells 144 00:08:00,280 --> 00:08:04,480 Speaker 1: the whole story. Rod Stuart, picture tells the story now, 145 00:08:04,480 --> 00:08:06,680 Speaker 1: and I don't think so. He goes on, there are 146 00:08:06,800 --> 00:08:11,000 Speaker 1: in fact not enough camera angles for what's important, which 147 00:08:11,040 --> 00:08:14,560 Speaker 1: is what do the agents actually see? And that's really 148 00:08:14,600 --> 00:08:17,080 Speaker 1: what this whole case and I think the federal investigation 149 00:08:17,200 --> 00:08:21,840 Speaker 1: is going to turn on. In use of deadly force investigations, 150 00:08:23,200 --> 00:08:29,640 Speaker 1: there is a legal standard called objective reasonableness. Objective reasonableness, 151 00:08:29,640 --> 00:08:32,719 Speaker 1: got it, that is based on a nineteen eighty nine 152 00:08:32,760 --> 00:08:37,840 Speaker 1: Supreme Court case Graham versus Connor. It assesses a person's actions, 153 00:08:37,920 --> 00:08:42,240 Speaker 1: particularly in use of deadly force cases, based on the 154 00:08:42,280 --> 00:08:46,800 Speaker 1: circumstances known to the cops or in this case, the 155 00:08:46,840 --> 00:08:51,680 Speaker 1: federal agent at the time that the deadly force was used. 156 00:08:53,040 --> 00:08:56,440 Speaker 1: In other words, think about it this way. What would 157 00:08:56,520 --> 00:09:01,440 Speaker 1: a reasonable law enforcement officer think and do without the 158 00:09:01,520 --> 00:09:05,839 Speaker 1: benefit of twenty twenty hindsight? The same guy Sweetel from 159 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:09,600 Speaker 1: the FBI says, all the photographic evidence really is not 160 00:09:09,760 --> 00:09:13,480 Speaker 1: particularly relevant to the Supreme Court standard because it does 161 00:09:13,559 --> 00:09:19,720 Speaker 1: not capture what did the agent see, What did they smell, 162 00:09:20,120 --> 00:09:24,360 Speaker 1: What did they hear, what did they feel? Did they 163 00:09:24,400 --> 00:09:27,840 Speaker 1: hear the words gun, gun, gun as they were trying 164 00:09:27,880 --> 00:09:31,040 Speaker 1: to get mister Pretty under control, hear a gun shot 165 00:09:31,160 --> 00:09:34,160 Speaker 1: and then perceive that one of their coworkers had been shot, 166 00:09:34,600 --> 00:09:37,800 Speaker 1: that one of the coworkers had been shot, or that 167 00:09:37,840 --> 00:09:42,120 Speaker 1: mister Pretty was somebody who actually discharged a shot. Now 168 00:09:42,160 --> 00:09:46,680 Speaker 1: we know that after a shooting, crime scenes, unless you're 169 00:09:47,240 --> 00:09:53,000 Speaker 1: the Penal County Sheriff Tucson, crime scenes are routinely secure, 170 00:09:53,320 --> 00:09:56,520 Speaker 1: or you're the Boulder County police. In the John Benet 171 00:09:56,640 --> 00:10:00,360 Speaker 1: Ramsey case, we know that after a shooting, the crime 172 00:10:00,400 --> 00:10:04,840 Speaker 1: scenes are routinely secured to gather evidence. In the case 173 00:10:05,480 --> 00:10:10,520 Speaker 1: the crime scene speaks to the investigators. In this case, 174 00:10:10,720 --> 00:10:15,000 Speaker 1: shell casings and gunpowder residue would be I think especially 175 00:10:15,040 --> 00:10:18,040 Speaker 1: helpful to determine how many shots were fired, when they 176 00:10:18,040 --> 00:10:22,360 Speaker 1: were fired, and whether Preddy's gun accidentally discharged. Oh here 177 00:10:22,400 --> 00:10:24,040 Speaker 1: we go, yeah, the P three twenty. No, I'm not 178 00:10:24,040 --> 00:10:25,839 Speaker 1: going to go down into that, but it is a 179 00:10:25,920 --> 00:10:28,720 Speaker 1: question that is going to be raised now in these cases, 180 00:10:28,720 --> 00:10:34,520 Speaker 1: the Minneapolis crime scenes were so chaotic, overrun with protesters, 181 00:10:34,920 --> 00:10:39,120 Speaker 1: that crucial forensic evidence to determine the sequence of events, 182 00:10:39,280 --> 00:10:43,760 Speaker 1: especially and most importantly from the perspective of the Homeland 183 00:10:43,760 --> 00:10:49,079 Speaker 1: security agents. All of that is likely contaminated or destroyed. 184 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:53,439 Speaker 1: Now we know it was reported that pretty brought a 185 00:10:53,559 --> 00:10:57,080 Speaker 1: six hour nine millimeters semi automatic to the protest. That 186 00:10:57,160 --> 00:11:00,760 Speaker 1: model of weapon, according to this FBI agent, has been 187 00:11:00,840 --> 00:11:03,520 Speaker 1: linked to all these alleged accidental charges. And we've been 188 00:11:03,559 --> 00:11:07,679 Speaker 1: through all of that. He says, though this there are 189 00:11:07,679 --> 00:11:10,520 Speaker 1: many people in the firearms community. I know you're probably 190 00:11:10,520 --> 00:11:12,560 Speaker 1: not one of them, But just bear with me for 191 00:11:12,640 --> 00:11:14,720 Speaker 1: a minute. This is the agent talking, not me. Don't 192 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:17,960 Speaker 1: kill the messenger. There are many people in the firearms 193 00:11:17,960 --> 00:11:21,400 Speaker 1: community that believe the weapon is prone to accidental discharges, 194 00:11:21,920 --> 00:11:24,360 Speaker 1: meaning instead of pressing the trigger and having it fire 195 00:11:24,400 --> 00:11:26,880 Speaker 1: when you intended to fire, that there is a problem 196 00:11:26,920 --> 00:11:29,960 Speaker 1: with that weapon which causes it to fire prematurely, either 197 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:33,680 Speaker 1: by being dropped or banged or pressing the side of it. Now, 198 00:11:33,720 --> 00:11:37,640 Speaker 1: if you recall the video shows Pretty's gun being pulled 199 00:11:37,640 --> 00:11:39,800 Speaker 1: from the scrum of all the agents that are around 200 00:11:39,840 --> 00:11:44,599 Speaker 1: him trying to get him under control, trying to subdue him. 201 00:11:44,800 --> 00:11:49,480 Speaker 1: In most cases, all these investigators after the fact can 202 00:11:49,520 --> 00:11:53,800 Speaker 1: determine if there was an accidental discharge from shellcasing's and 203 00:11:53,960 --> 00:11:59,280 Speaker 1: gunpowder residue at the scene. But guess what, that's probably 204 00:11:59,280 --> 00:12:01,480 Speaker 1: not going to be the case here because the scene 205 00:12:01,520 --> 00:12:07,080 Speaker 1: was so chaotic. He goes on to say, when you 206 00:12:07,160 --> 00:12:09,840 Speaker 1: have a really kind of scrum like this a fight, 207 00:12:10,400 --> 00:12:12,360 Speaker 1: if the weapon gets knocked to the ground or it 208 00:12:12,360 --> 00:12:15,120 Speaker 1: gets tossed, a law enforcement person may put it in 209 00:12:15,120 --> 00:12:18,240 Speaker 1: their waistband, they may put it on the ground, or 210 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:21,079 Speaker 1: they may slide it away. But because of the chaos 211 00:12:21,080 --> 00:12:23,000 Speaker 1: at the scene, it really was not safe to just 212 00:12:23,080 --> 00:12:24,960 Speaker 1: keep that weapon on the ground or kick it away. 213 00:12:26,240 --> 00:12:29,000 Speaker 1: He then added that an agent wearing a gray jacket 214 00:12:29,040 --> 00:12:32,360 Speaker 1: known as the gray jacket man all over social media. 215 00:12:32,840 --> 00:12:35,560 Speaker 1: He's going to be a key witness. And of course 216 00:12:35,960 --> 00:12:39,600 Speaker 1: the FBI agent asked this, did he the federal agent 217 00:12:40,160 --> 00:12:43,640 Speaker 1: press that trigger and cause the gun to fire? Was 218 00:12:43,679 --> 00:12:48,000 Speaker 1: he startled himself by an accidental discharge? Because it is 219 00:12:48,040 --> 00:12:51,160 Speaker 1: apparent to me he says that that is what really 220 00:12:51,160 --> 00:12:56,240 Speaker 1: started this whole thing down the path of deadly force. Now, 221 00:12:56,440 --> 00:13:00,720 Speaker 1: now new video of Prettie confronting Homeland Security agents eleven 222 00:13:00,760 --> 00:13:04,280 Speaker 1: days before that fatal shooting. Obviously that's going to be helpful, 223 00:13:05,360 --> 00:13:09,480 Speaker 1: a helpful defense if criminal charges are eventually brought against 224 00:13:09,520 --> 00:13:13,280 Speaker 1: the agents. We all know that because it shows a 225 00:13:13,320 --> 00:13:16,320 Speaker 1: propensity to engage in violence and to interrupt and to 226 00:13:16,760 --> 00:13:20,040 Speaker 1: violate the civil rights of these agents, to interfere with 227 00:13:20,120 --> 00:13:26,880 Speaker 1: them with a lawful law enforcement action. In that video, 228 00:13:27,000 --> 00:13:31,439 Speaker 1: the previous video shows pretty appearing agitated, swearing, spitting, ticking 229 00:13:31,480 --> 00:13:36,360 Speaker 1: in the retail, the retail the rear tail lights of 230 00:13:36,400 --> 00:13:40,959 Speaker 1: the agent's government vehicles, and the agent says, well, defend 231 00:13:41,160 --> 00:13:43,680 Speaker 1: and I totally agree with this. Well, the defense attorney 232 00:13:43,679 --> 00:13:45,680 Speaker 1: would try to paint a picture of is look this 233 00:13:45,760 --> 00:13:48,559 Speaker 1: guy was predisposed to violence. He was recently in a 234 00:13:48,640 --> 00:13:51,920 Speaker 1: violent and encounter with Homeland Security personnel, and this colored 235 00:13:51,920 --> 00:13:53,960 Speaker 1: his decision to go and fight with him by bringing 236 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:57,199 Speaker 1: a gun, which ultimately caused the circumstances of mister Pretty's 237 00:13:57,200 --> 00:14:01,080 Speaker 1: Pretty's death. It's a pretty good argument. If you're one 238 00:14:01,120 --> 00:14:03,560 Speaker 1: of these agents on trial, you're going to make sure 239 00:14:03,559 --> 00:14:07,400 Speaker 1: that you get that video evidence into the trial or 240 00:14:07,640 --> 00:14:12,640 Speaker 1: even into the investigation, because it shows the predisposition. And 241 00:14:12,760 --> 00:14:16,199 Speaker 1: all of these principles apply in the Rene Good shooting 242 00:14:16,640 --> 00:14:19,920 Speaker 1: that occurred three weeks earlier than the prety shooting. Again, 243 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:23,840 Speaker 1: the crime scene total chaos. It was apparently not locked 244 00:14:23,840 --> 00:14:27,440 Speaker 1: down immediately after so that the investigators could come in 245 00:14:27,480 --> 00:14:30,720 Speaker 1: and see what occurred. So the integrity of all the 246 00:14:30,760 --> 00:14:35,840 Speaker 1: forensic evidence has at least some bit of reasonable doubt 247 00:14:35,880 --> 00:14:39,200 Speaker 1: in it. And then by moving in front of the vehicle, 248 00:14:40,120 --> 00:14:43,800 Speaker 1: the agent increased the likelihood that it would escalate and 249 00:14:43,880 --> 00:14:48,080 Speaker 1: become a deadly forced incident. The FBI agent agrees with 250 00:14:48,120 --> 00:14:51,360 Speaker 1: my statement about that the agent's position in front of 251 00:14:51,440 --> 00:14:54,640 Speaker 1: Goods vehicle put both the agent and Good at greater risk. 252 00:14:55,600 --> 00:14:59,320 Speaker 1: And you've seen the video of him walking around, stepping 253 00:14:59,360 --> 00:15:01,080 Speaker 1: in front of the video. You'll try and get video of 254 00:15:01,360 --> 00:15:05,680 Speaker 1: the of the vehicle and everything going on. So this 255 00:15:05,800 --> 00:15:08,400 Speaker 1: agent goes on to say this, all over the country 256 00:15:08,480 --> 00:15:11,600 Speaker 1: law enforcement does that, and there are no shootings because, well, 257 00:15:11,600 --> 00:15:13,880 Speaker 1: most people, if someone's pointing a gun at them and 258 00:15:13,960 --> 00:15:15,960 Speaker 1: they know they are law enforcement, their hands are going 259 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:18,040 Speaker 1: to go up. They're not going to do anything. And 260 00:15:18,080 --> 00:15:22,640 Speaker 1: it immediately gets de escalated. And he continues, So, did he, 261 00:15:22,880 --> 00:15:27,320 Speaker 1: the agent, have a right to do that. I would 262 00:15:27,320 --> 00:15:31,040 Speaker 1: say absolutely he did. Now was it the best thing 263 00:15:31,080 --> 00:15:33,600 Speaker 1: to do to step in front of that car? That 264 00:15:33,880 --> 00:15:37,920 Speaker 1: depends on the totality of circumstances and how that agent 265 00:15:38,120 --> 00:15:45,800 Speaker 1: articulated articulates it, but it definitely raises or increases the risk. Now, 266 00:15:45,960 --> 00:15:51,200 Speaker 1: another legal challenge would be or could be, allegations the 267 00:15:51,200 --> 00:15:56,480 Speaker 1: ice agent was distracted. So when you talk to or 268 00:15:56,640 --> 00:16:00,720 Speaker 1: really read closely about what Homeland Security says, as in 269 00:16:00,840 --> 00:16:05,360 Speaker 1: trying to clarify its policy on agents using iPhones of 270 00:16:05,480 --> 00:16:10,120 Speaker 1: that matter, any mobile phone to film confrontations, I have 271 00:16:10,240 --> 00:16:14,600 Speaker 1: discovered that it is permissible if a government phone is used, 272 00:16:14,920 --> 00:16:19,360 Speaker 1: but you can't use a personal device. You may not 273 00:16:19,400 --> 00:16:22,800 Speaker 1: be aware of this, but a lot of government employees 274 00:16:23,200 --> 00:16:26,560 Speaker 1: carry two cell phones. Now. When I first went to DC, 275 00:16:27,560 --> 00:16:30,960 Speaker 1: I was issued a government cell phone, but I was told, 276 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:34,760 Speaker 1: in no uncertain terms by the then acting General Counsel 277 00:16:34,800 --> 00:16:37,440 Speaker 1: at the time that this was for official use only. 278 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:45,680 Speaker 1: FOU but I was told that occasionally, you know, a 279 00:16:45,680 --> 00:16:48,880 Speaker 1: text message or a quick phone call, or you know, 280 00:16:48,920 --> 00:16:53,120 Speaker 1: if someone called me about a personal matter, I should say, hey, yeah, listen, 281 00:16:53,160 --> 00:16:55,560 Speaker 1: if it's going to be a quick conversation, that's okay, 282 00:16:55,840 --> 00:16:58,080 Speaker 1: it's going to be a lengthy conversation that hey, hey, 283 00:16:58,200 --> 00:16:59,960 Speaker 1: please call me back on my personal number and we'll 284 00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:01,600 Speaker 1: talk about it. Then call me, you know, at two 285 00:17:01,720 --> 00:17:05,920 Speaker 1: thirty this afternoon or something. Well, it became so cumbersome 286 00:17:07,200 --> 00:17:11,040 Speaker 1: that now I find this interesting because in regards to 287 00:17:11,400 --> 00:17:15,960 Speaker 1: using your personal phone to videotape it, the Homeland Security 288 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:19,720 Speaker 1: still says you cannot do that, and some agents may 289 00:17:19,800 --> 00:17:24,880 Speaker 1: still carry official phones and personal phones. I eventually got 290 00:17:24,880 --> 00:17:27,120 Speaker 1: to the point where I kept my personal phone. I've 291 00:17:27,160 --> 00:17:30,159 Speaker 1: got the same mobile phone number that I've had since 292 00:17:30,520 --> 00:17:34,280 Speaker 1: moving to Colorado in I don't know, nineteen ninety or something, 293 00:17:35,880 --> 00:17:40,400 Speaker 1: But in DC, I kind of just left it at 294 00:17:40,400 --> 00:17:43,680 Speaker 1: the condo, left it at the townhouse and didn't really 295 00:17:43,760 --> 00:17:47,439 Speaker 1: use it that much because we finally got a legal 296 00:17:47,480 --> 00:17:50,840 Speaker 1: opinion out of the Department of Justice that the official 297 00:17:50,880 --> 00:17:55,120 Speaker 1: government phones could be used for personal business like you know, hey, 298 00:17:55,440 --> 00:17:57,120 Speaker 1: sweet ar, can you pick up a gallon of milk 299 00:17:57,119 --> 00:17:59,920 Speaker 1: on the way home, or just having a regular conversation. 300 00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:03,360 Speaker 1: And part of that was because the government contracts did 301 00:18:03,400 --> 00:18:05,720 Speaker 1: not rely on the amount of minutes that you used. 302 00:18:05,720 --> 00:18:08,359 Speaker 1: There was just a flat rate that the government paid, 303 00:18:08,600 --> 00:18:10,280 Speaker 1: So whether you use it for one minute or use 304 00:18:10,320 --> 00:18:12,840 Speaker 1: it for a thousand minutes didn't make any difference. Remember 305 00:18:13,400 --> 00:18:15,680 Speaker 1: what kind of makes me think about it? Remember longesting 306 00:18:15,720 --> 00:18:22,560 Speaker 1: phone calls? A what a break? Remember a break? Why 307 00:18:22,560 --> 00:18:23,679 Speaker 1: would I want to take a break? 308 00:18:23,760 --> 00:18:26,239 Speaker 4: Hi, Michael, I think I got this mastered. I know 309 00:18:26,280 --> 00:18:29,600 Speaker 4: you start every morning at eight fifty am, but hey, 310 00:18:29,880 --> 00:18:33,120 Speaker 4: I dial in at ninety fourteen am, right after you're 311 00:18:33,160 --> 00:18:36,200 Speaker 4: done talking about the urinals. 312 00:18:37,480 --> 00:18:41,520 Speaker 1: Well, then today you missed the discussion about the because 313 00:18:41,520 --> 00:18:44,639 Speaker 1: the urinals have been fixed. We'll find something else to 314 00:18:44,640 --> 00:18:47,240 Speaker 1: complain about. Just give us time, Just give us time. 315 00:18:50,440 --> 00:18:56,160 Speaker 1: We're I'm putting together a backgrounder for you on a 316 00:18:56,240 --> 00:19:01,399 Speaker 1: federal civil rights and probably criminal investigation that's taking place 317 00:19:01,480 --> 00:19:08,120 Speaker 1: about these two shootings in Minnesota, no conclusion. I think 318 00:19:08,200 --> 00:19:12,280 Speaker 1: that it is chaotic. I think the crime scene was corrupted, 319 00:19:12,840 --> 00:19:17,440 Speaker 1: and I think they will do a probably yeoman's work 320 00:19:17,520 --> 00:19:21,000 Speaker 1: in trying to determine whether or not the two people 321 00:19:21,040 --> 00:19:24,080 Speaker 1: who were shot for thee Good and Patrie, whether or 322 00:19:24,080 --> 00:19:28,520 Speaker 1: not their civil rights were violated in this in these 323 00:19:28,520 --> 00:19:31,479 Speaker 1: two shootings, and whether or not they should be charged 324 00:19:31,520 --> 00:19:34,840 Speaker 1: with a crime anything from manslaughter up to murder. That's 325 00:19:34,840 --> 00:19:39,520 Speaker 1: what the investigation will conclude, but that's dependent upon the 326 00:19:39,560 --> 00:19:44,920 Speaker 1: investigation and what the evidence shows. I find it interesting, 327 00:19:45,080 --> 00:19:48,040 Speaker 1: and I'm not really sure whether these are new listeners 328 00:19:48,160 --> 00:19:51,359 Speaker 1: or listeners that came over from the other station. But 329 00:19:51,400 --> 00:19:53,760 Speaker 1: Gouba number six five, four to nine rights, one of 330 00:19:53,760 --> 00:19:56,479 Speaker 1: the agents has shown taking Pretty's gun away before they 331 00:19:56,520 --> 00:20:01,440 Speaker 1: shoot him ten times. Then again, Michael, they shot him 332 00:20:01,560 --> 00:20:07,360 Speaker 1: ten times, Yeah, because maybe they didn't have fifteen bullets. 333 00:20:08,800 --> 00:20:17,679 Speaker 1: I your text indicates that you've not been exposed to 334 00:20:17,800 --> 00:20:22,240 Speaker 1: the dangers that law enforcement faces, and I don't think 335 00:20:22,280 --> 00:20:27,040 Speaker 1: you've been exposed to the legal standards that establish that 336 00:20:27,160 --> 00:20:31,159 Speaker 1: it is in the perception of law enforcement or it 337 00:20:31,240 --> 00:20:34,520 Speaker 1: is in the perception of the person who is being threatened. 338 00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:39,920 Speaker 1: Whether or not their actions are reasonable, justified, or lawful. 339 00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:43,359 Speaker 1: You may not like that, but that is the law. 340 00:20:44,280 --> 00:20:47,640 Speaker 1: Now why do we make that the law? Because if 341 00:20:47,680 --> 00:20:50,800 Speaker 1: you are, for example, you're a homeowner, or you're a 342 00:20:50,800 --> 00:20:54,200 Speaker 1: business owner, and someone breaks into your home or comes 343 00:20:54,200 --> 00:20:59,639 Speaker 1: into commit an armed robbery of your business, and you 344 00:20:59,720 --> 00:21:03,919 Speaker 1: decide in a split second that you feel a threat 345 00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:09,119 Speaker 1: of imminent deadly harm, and so you decide to exercise 346 00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:12,960 Speaker 1: your god given right of self defense. So you shoot back, 347 00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:19,159 Speaker 1: you shoot. It doesn't matter whether you shoot once or 348 00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:23,360 Speaker 1: one hundred times. It is your perception of the threat 349 00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:27,359 Speaker 1: and what you need to do to protect yourself from 350 00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:31,560 Speaker 1: death or serious bodily harm. Now, why do we make 351 00:21:31,560 --> 00:21:35,880 Speaker 1: it that way. We make it that way because you're 352 00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:39,919 Speaker 1: not the criminal. Now, in some cases, you may end 353 00:21:40,040 --> 00:21:43,800 Speaker 1: up being the criminal because the case or the facts 354 00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:47,680 Speaker 1: show after the investigation that there was no reasonable perception 355 00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:51,280 Speaker 1: of a threat. But that has to be determined based 356 00:21:51,320 --> 00:21:57,240 Speaker 1: on what you perceive as the person being threatened. And 357 00:21:57,280 --> 00:22:01,320 Speaker 1: my guess is six five four nine. You've probably never 358 00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:05,159 Speaker 1: dealt with law enforcement or ever been exposed to the 359 00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:09,000 Speaker 1: dangers that law enforcement faces on a day to day basis, 360 00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:12,680 Speaker 1: and the split second decisions that you have to make. 361 00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:16,240 Speaker 1: I will tell you, the fact that ten shots were 362 00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:22,439 Speaker 1: fired fired at mister pretty surprises me, not because that 363 00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:28,760 Speaker 1: there were ten shots, but that there were only ten shots. Oh, 364 00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:31,439 Speaker 1: how could you possibly say that? Oh, you're you're just 365 00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:33,960 Speaker 1: a rabid right wing nut job that just wants to 366 00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:36,520 Speaker 1: go out and kill everybody. No, because I understand what 367 00:22:36,560 --> 00:22:41,840 Speaker 1: it's like being in that position, primarily because I've represented 368 00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:46,840 Speaker 1: law enforcement in all sorts of civil rights cases where 369 00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:51,479 Speaker 1: that issue has come up. And if you're involved in 370 00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:56,960 Speaker 1: a ruckus a francas a fight and somebody has a 371 00:22:57,000 --> 00:23:00,000 Speaker 1: gun you and all you're trying to do is get 372 00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:03,359 Speaker 1: them subdued. Someone yells gun, gun, gun, gun, or whatever 373 00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:06,240 Speaker 1: they do, or they see a gun, they hear a shot. 374 00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:09,159 Speaker 1: Regards where it comes from, they don't know whether that 375 00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:13,040 Speaker 1: came from an agent or it came from the individual 376 00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:15,720 Speaker 1: on the ground. And you don't know whether that was 377 00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:18,520 Speaker 1: the only gun that person had, or they had other guns, 378 00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:21,080 Speaker 1: or they had other weapons. And then if you have 379 00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:24,359 Speaker 1: other agents that are still trying to subdue, they're all 380 00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:27,439 Speaker 1: now perceiving a threat not just to themselves but of 381 00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:30,360 Speaker 1: their fellow officers. And so if you have five agents 382 00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:36,639 Speaker 1: and they all fired twice. There's ten rounds boom. That's 383 00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:42,320 Speaker 1: the that's the hard core to put it in pornography terms, 384 00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:48,120 Speaker 1: that's the hardcore reality of what these people, whether they 385 00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:54,840 Speaker 1: are protesters or their antifa, or whether they're drug addicts, 386 00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:58,720 Speaker 1: or whether they're homeless people, or whether they're trend to 387 00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:04,080 Speaker 1: ragua whatever, whatever it is, the criminal perpetrators are putting 388 00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:07,840 Speaker 1: law enforcement in that position, and law enforcement is taking 389 00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:13,920 Speaker 1: reasonable actions based upon the law, to protect themselves. That's 390 00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:18,160 Speaker 1: the part of law enforcement that most people never get 391 00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:22,560 Speaker 1: exposed to. It's it's like you you don't really want 392 00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:25,600 Speaker 1: to see an autopsy. You don't really. I mean, everybody 393 00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:28,840 Speaker 1: rubber necks at a you know, a pile up on 394 00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:31,840 Speaker 1: the interstate, But do you really want to see somebody 395 00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:35,359 Speaker 1: Have you ever seen somebody laying on the ground that's 396 00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:38,000 Speaker 1: been you know, split in two, or they've had their 397 00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:42,200 Speaker 1: you know, all their entrails are all exposed, their their guts, 398 00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:45,600 Speaker 1: their intestines, everything are all exposed, and they they are 399 00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:48,080 Speaker 1: their heads been bashed in because they went flying through 400 00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:51,640 Speaker 1: the windshield. Whatever it might be. There is an ugliness 401 00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:55,680 Speaker 1: to the real world that we to the real physical 402 00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:58,880 Speaker 1: world that we live in that most people never get 403 00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:01,919 Speaker 1: exposed to. And so you jump to a conclusion that, oh, 404 00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:04,040 Speaker 1: my gosh, ten shots of these people outrageous, they must 405 00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:08,119 Speaker 1: be guilty. No, that shows an ignorance of the law, 406 00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:11,520 Speaker 1: and it shows an ignorance of the reality of what's 407 00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:15,320 Speaker 1: going on in this investigation. So let's get back to 408 00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:21,520 Speaker 1: the investigation. As I said, the first question is about 409 00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:24,879 Speaker 1: the threat and what did they perceive as the threat. 410 00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:30,800 Speaker 1: That's the basic Supreme Court law. What did they perceive 411 00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:34,640 Speaker 1: as a threat, And if they perceived a threat of 412 00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:41,400 Speaker 1: imminent harm death, they have a right to use deadly force. Now, 413 00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:44,560 Speaker 1: as I was about to start, another legal challenge could 414 00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:49,600 Speaker 1: include the allegations that the agents were distracted. And we 415 00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:56,560 Speaker 1: talked about the phones briefly. Now, well, all agents, all 416 00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:59,840 Speaker 1: law enforcement is thought to shoot with two hands, and 417 00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:03,360 Speaker 1: because that's the most stable shooting platform, it's the way 418 00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:06,120 Speaker 1: that you're going to be the most accurate. So think 419 00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:08,200 Speaker 1: about this. If you're walking around with the camera trying 420 00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:11,119 Speaker 1: to videotape somebody, you're probably looking at the camera to 421 00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:14,640 Speaker 1: see what images that you're catching. Your focus is distracted, 422 00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:17,040 Speaker 1: so you're not able to see all of your surroundings. 423 00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:19,439 Speaker 1: You're not looking at the big picture. You're looking at 424 00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:22,040 Speaker 1: what's shown on that you know, four bus six or 425 00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:24,639 Speaker 1: whatever size phone you have. You're looking at whatever that 426 00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:27,080 Speaker 1: camera is showing you as you go around trying to 427 00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:33,520 Speaker 1: capture the scene. So that's why that's just one of 428 00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:37,159 Speaker 1: the reasons why that law enforcement agencies, including the FBI, 429 00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:41,439 Speaker 1: the ATF, and at some point perhaps DHS, where body 430 00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:45,160 Speaker 1: worn cameras because now your hands are free, the camera's 431 00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:48,359 Speaker 1: doing its thing, and that allows the law enforcement officer 432 00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:52,879 Speaker 1: to concentrate to include if you immediately had to do 433 00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:57,520 Speaker 1: a use of force. And I think in this investigation, 434 00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:00,240 Speaker 1: there's going to be an allegation of distraction on the 435 00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:03,760 Speaker 1: part of the individual who is filming the video, who 436 00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:07,199 Speaker 1: stepped in front of the car, and the car for 437 00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:10,960 Speaker 1: whatever reason she decides to move. Did she see the 438 00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:13,919 Speaker 1: agent not see the agent? I think there is to 439 00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:18,560 Speaker 1: put it in a personal injury context, there's probably some 440 00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:23,480 Speaker 1: comparative negligence here, although comparative negligence doesn't really apply. I'm 441 00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:26,640 Speaker 1: just simply saying that there's probably fault on everybody's part here. 442 00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:31,600 Speaker 1: So now let's get to what's really going on. The 443 00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:35,119 Speaker 1: FBI director announced that he has open an investigation into 444 00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:39,800 Speaker 1: the encrypted chats on the signal app that apparently described 445 00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:45,720 Speaker 1: all the preparations, including the violence against the federal agents. Now, 446 00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:48,199 Speaker 1: this sweet Ow, this FBI guy that's been talking on 447 00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:50,600 Speaker 1: the record, says that if it comes out in these 448 00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:54,000 Speaker 1: signal chats that people are talking about committing federal crimes, 449 00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:56,000 Speaker 1: like we're going to go and shoot an ICE agent 450 00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:59,119 Speaker 1: or we're going to attack a facility, you now have 451 00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:03,000 Speaker 1: a conspiracy, even some sort of a continuing criminal enterprise. 452 00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:06,240 Speaker 1: So it's a very really serious charge if that all 453 00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:08,560 Speaker 1: pans out. Now, we don't know whether it's going to 454 00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:13,320 Speaker 1: pan out or not, but if it does, it's going 455 00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:18,480 Speaker 1: to show that this investigation may show that maybe the 456 00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:22,000 Speaker 1: agents made some mistakes. It could show that the agents 457 00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:25,760 Speaker 1: were actually responding to what they conceived to be a 458 00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:32,760 Speaker 1: real threat. And again, remember it is based upon the 459 00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:37,520 Speaker 1: perception of the agent or the individual if you're that 460 00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:43,520 Speaker 1: business owner of whether or not there is a justification 461 00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:48,280 Speaker 1: for deadly force nineteen eighty nine Supreme Court Graham versus Connor, 462 00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:52,760 Speaker 1: You assess a person's action in use of deadly forced 463 00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:57,400 Speaker 1: cases based on the circumstances known to the police officer 464 00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:00,400 Speaker 1: or the federal agent, or I would add to the 465 00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:04,560 Speaker 1: business owner or the homeowner at the time, in other words, 466 00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:07,840 Speaker 1: applying it to this case, what would a reasonable law 467 00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:12,600 Speaker 1: enforcement officer think and do without the benefit of twenty 468 00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:17,000 Speaker 1: twenty hindsight. And I think that's why the corruption of 469 00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:19,520 Speaker 1: the crime scene, the absence of some of the video, 470 00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:23,600 Speaker 1: not all video, the use of video while you should be, 471 00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:26,160 Speaker 1: you know, using a body cam instead, all of that's 472 00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:29,400 Speaker 1: going to play to this investigation. But the point is 473 00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:34,160 Speaker 1: they're investigating it. They're trying to find out what really happened. 474 00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:37,400 Speaker 5: Hey, Michael, I think the misperception that and I've talked 475 00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:41,360 Speaker 5: to people about this before, they have this misperception and 476 00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:49,880 Speaker 5: it's wrong that police and law enforcement personnel are expendable. 477 00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:57,000 Speaker 1: Or subhuman, or their lives don't matter. Well, when you 478 00:29:57,040 --> 00:29:59,400 Speaker 1: call them Nazis and you want to defund the cops, 479 00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:01,920 Speaker 1: and you think that everything they do is wrong. And 480 00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:04,400 Speaker 1: I'm not saying that cops don't make mistakes. Cops do 481 00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:12,680 Speaker 1: make mistakes, but this whole idea that we want to 482 00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:15,800 Speaker 1: make judgments today, judgments today, right now, right now, let's 483 00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:18,080 Speaker 1: move you know, and just move on. What's what they 484 00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:20,760 Speaker 1: did is wrong. Now, let's let the process play out. 485 00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:23,880 Speaker 1: This is not some drama series that you watch on 486 00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:28,640 Speaker 1: network television or on Netflix or anyplace else. This plays 487 00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:32,880 Speaker 1: out over a very lengthy period of time with real 488 00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:35,479 Speaker 1: forensics and real investigation, and it takes a while to 489 00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:39,920 Speaker 1: do that. Then I have a text message about Nancy Guthrie, 490 00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:44,160 Speaker 1: just a little perspective. She disappeared back on February one. 491 00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:50,160 Speaker 1: By February nine, CNN was carrying live blogs, NBC ninety 492 00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:54,000 Speaker 1: news coverage, PBS News hour segments, FOX News continuous coverage, 493 00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:57,960 Speaker 1: presidential statements. FBI agents from across the nation deployed fifty 494 00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:01,719 Speaker 1: thousand dollars federal reward billboard in multiple states. The ransom 495 00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:05,800 Speaker 1: deadline on February nine was treated as a major news event. 496 00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:11,720 Speaker 1: Last night, It's gone. According to the National Crime Information Center, 497 00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:15,760 Speaker 1: there were five hundred and twenty one active missing person 498 00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:21,800 Speaker 1: cases in Arizona alone as of recent data. On February nine, 499 00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:27,920 Speaker 1: dozens of Americans went missing. Six hundred thousand Americans go 500 00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:32,400 Speaker 1: missing annually at any given time. Somewhere between twenty and 501 00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:36,440 Speaker 1: twenty six thousand active missing person cases cases are being 502 00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:40,000 Speaker 1: worked in this country. On February third, twenty twenty six, 503 00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:43,360 Speaker 1: just six days before her deadline, guess what it was? 504 00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:48,920 Speaker 1: National Missing Person's Day. Over eleven thousand unidentified human remains 505 00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:54,520 Speaker 1: currently held or held in medical examiner offices nationwide. So 506 00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:58,360 Speaker 1: CNN's running live blogs, cable news devoted hours and hours. 507 00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:01,040 Speaker 1: I tried to find out just how many hours. What 508 00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:04,240 Speaker 1: made me think about this was I do watch Brett 509 00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:09,040 Speaker 1: Barron Fox News special report, and he led with a 510 00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:13,400 Speaker 1: keys of coming up breaking news, all of these five 511 00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:15,800 Speaker 1: things about you know that could destroy the economy or 512 00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:18,240 Speaker 1: improve the economy. They could lead the World War three 513 00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:21,320 Speaker 1: or not world leave the World War three. But coming up, 514 00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:24,480 Speaker 1: before we get to those, let's go to Tucson. 515 00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:25,719 Speaker 5: Now. 516 00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:29,000 Speaker 1: I'm not saying we shouldn't pray for Nancy Guthrie's recovery 517 00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:31,360 Speaker 1: and her return home and all of that, because we should. 518 00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:38,080 Speaker 1: But ask yourself, if you're endammered with this story, is 519 00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:43,240 Speaker 1: it because you're blithely letting the networks and the cables 520 00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:45,840 Speaker 1: feed you and get you all worked up over something 521 00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:49,640 Speaker 1: that you really don't have much control or influence over. 522 00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:55,720 Speaker 1: What about all the other people? This is really beginning 523 00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:57,840 Speaker 1: to bug me, the incessant coverage