1 00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:04,600 Speaker 1: I remember one of the biggest but chements I ever 2 00:00:04,640 --> 00:00:08,119 Speaker 1: got as a kid, calling my grandma three counties over 3 00:00:09,480 --> 00:00:12,320 Speaker 1: past play two of the afternoon just to say hello, 4 00:00:12,920 --> 00:00:15,920 Speaker 1: How dare I not wait till after seven pm? When 5 00:00:15,920 --> 00:00:16,919 Speaker 1: the rate slipped down? 6 00:00:19,239 --> 00:00:19,840 Speaker 2: That's right? 7 00:00:21,079 --> 00:00:21,639 Speaker 3: Or tarrong? 8 00:00:21,680 --> 00:00:23,560 Speaker 4: When we first got married, tried to save money. Way, 9 00:00:23,600 --> 00:00:27,320 Speaker 4: we would call our parents collect and they would refuse 10 00:00:27,400 --> 00:00:29,400 Speaker 4: to take the call, and then they would call us back, 11 00:00:30,080 --> 00:00:31,840 Speaker 4: or you would you'd wait like on Mother's Day, you'd 12 00:00:31,840 --> 00:00:35,280 Speaker 4: wait til after seven pm or whatever the time was, Oh, 13 00:00:35,760 --> 00:00:36,720 Speaker 4: good time, right right. 14 00:00:36,920 --> 00:00:38,640 Speaker 5: One of my favorite commercials and I don't even know 15 00:00:38,640 --> 00:00:41,199 Speaker 5: what it was for, but it was their calling collect 16 00:00:41,280 --> 00:00:41,720 Speaker 5: or whatever. 17 00:00:42,200 --> 00:00:44,360 Speaker 2: And you know, you know, state your name. 18 00:00:44,479 --> 00:00:49,080 Speaker 5: It's Bob, last name out of Baby eats a boy 19 00:00:48,240 --> 00:00:51,360 Speaker 5: And the obamb or dad or whoever picks up the 20 00:00:51,400 --> 00:00:53,920 Speaker 5: phone and they hear the message play Bob out of 21 00:00:53,920 --> 00:00:56,040 Speaker 5: Baby eat a boy and they hang up. 22 00:00:56,280 --> 00:00:57,400 Speaker 2: Nope, wrong number, hang up? 23 00:00:57,760 --> 00:00:58,320 Speaker 4: Well, who was that? 24 00:00:58,600 --> 00:01:03,560 Speaker 2: It was Bob? They had a baby? It's a boy commercial. 25 00:01:04,760 --> 00:01:10,000 Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, my mom still has a landline. They'll 26 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:14,040 Speaker 4: has a landline now. It is a I think it's void. 27 00:01:14,080 --> 00:01:16,880 Speaker 4: I don't think it's a true, like plan, it's out 28 00:01:16,880 --> 00:01:20,880 Speaker 4: of pots Playo telephone system. But I keep mom mind 29 00:01:20,880 --> 00:01:22,960 Speaker 4: do you have it? Now I have to confess I 30 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:30,040 Speaker 4: still have one too, but it's because certain communist casting 31 00:01:30,080 --> 00:01:34,080 Speaker 4: company requires you to have that as part of your. 32 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:34,919 Speaker 2: Package, the bundle. 33 00:01:35,200 --> 00:01:37,120 Speaker 4: Part of the bundle, and if you got your package 34 00:01:37,160 --> 00:01:39,800 Speaker 4: goes up like five hours a month. So we had 35 00:01:39,880 --> 00:01:42,000 Speaker 4: we actually have a home number. You know what we 36 00:01:42,080 --> 00:01:44,800 Speaker 4: use it for because we don't actually have any phones 37 00:01:45,200 --> 00:01:45,720 Speaker 4: in the house. 38 00:01:45,840 --> 00:01:47,440 Speaker 5: Because when's the last time it rang? He's like, what 39 00:01:47,480 --> 00:01:48,400 Speaker 5: the hell is that? 40 00:01:48,520 --> 00:01:50,880 Speaker 4: Where's that coming from? We use it when people are 41 00:01:50,920 --> 00:01:53,160 Speaker 4: asking for your phone number, when you're you know, doing something. 42 00:01:53,200 --> 00:01:54,960 Speaker 4: We just put that number down. Beautiful. 43 00:01:55,480 --> 00:01:57,160 Speaker 3: I should go check the voicemail box. 44 00:01:57,160 --> 00:02:00,680 Speaker 4: It's probably you know, full to fifteen jigable of you know, 45 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:04,520 Speaker 4: bull crap left by mister Brown. This is Evelyn with 46 00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:08,040 Speaker 4: the Known Department and your application is under review. We 47 00:02:08,080 --> 00:02:09,640 Speaker 4: need to ask you a few questions. 48 00:02:09,760 --> 00:02:11,280 Speaker 2: Your car warranty is about to explain. 49 00:02:11,320 --> 00:02:23,000 Speaker 4: That's right. The most important decision about climate policy is 50 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:28,160 Speaker 4: being dismantled. The news last night. When I say the news, 51 00:02:28,200 --> 00:02:30,200 Speaker 4: I'm just talking about all the different places that I 52 00:02:30,320 --> 00:02:36,359 Speaker 4: read was caring stories about how Trump and the EPA 53 00:02:36,440 --> 00:02:39,760 Speaker 4: are going to repeal the two thousand and nine, seventeen 54 00:02:39,840 --> 00:02:45,000 Speaker 4: years later the Endangerment Finding. Now I'll explain the Endangerment 55 00:02:45,040 --> 00:02:47,240 Speaker 4: Finding in a moment. What you need to know is 56 00:02:47,760 --> 00:02:52,880 Speaker 4: that is the foundation, That is the fundamental rule that 57 00:02:53,080 --> 00:02:56,600 Speaker 4: gave us more than fifteen years of all of the 58 00:02:56,880 --> 00:03:01,760 Speaker 4: climate rules. It was kind of the beginning of the 59 00:03:01,880 --> 00:03:04,960 Speaker 4: establishing the orthodoxy of the Church of the Climate Activists. 60 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:08,960 Speaker 4: He gave us vehicle mandates, He gave us all sorts 61 00:03:08,960 --> 00:03:12,320 Speaker 4: of government control over the power sector, and it costs 62 00:03:12,360 --> 00:03:16,880 Speaker 4: the economy trillions of dollars in compliance because of all 63 00:03:16,919 --> 00:03:25,160 Speaker 4: the regulations. Now the public conversation is, and rightfully so 64 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:28,840 Speaker 4: to some degree, about the process whether this repeal is 65 00:03:28,880 --> 00:03:31,240 Speaker 4: going to survive legal challenge. And you know, of course 66 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:35,400 Speaker 4: I won to the same thing, whether agencies follow the 67 00:03:35,480 --> 00:03:39,320 Speaker 4: correct procedures under the Administrative Procedures Act, because that will 68 00:03:39,320 --> 00:03:41,920 Speaker 4: give rise to all of the greeny whenies and the 69 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:44,400 Speaker 4: congregants in the Church of the Climate Activists something go 70 00:03:44,480 --> 00:03:46,800 Speaker 4: hang their hat on and now find all of these 71 00:03:46,840 --> 00:03:49,680 Speaker 4: special interest law firms that will then go sue to 72 00:03:49,840 --> 00:03:54,000 Speaker 4: you know, prevent the overturning of the rule, then there'll 73 00:03:54,040 --> 00:03:57,960 Speaker 4: be a cost benefit analysis. Is industry benefiting too much? 74 00:03:58,920 --> 00:04:01,400 Speaker 4: And of course the ultimate question is where, when, and 75 00:04:01,480 --> 00:04:08,440 Speaker 4: how will the courts, if at all, intervene. But how 76 00:04:08,440 --> 00:04:10,480 Speaker 4: about if we went back and just ask ourselves a 77 00:04:10,480 --> 00:04:17,240 Speaker 4: simple question whether the endangerment finding was either scientifically or 78 00:04:17,320 --> 00:04:25,920 Speaker 4: legally justified. In the first place, that endangerment finding followed 79 00:04:25,960 --> 00:04:31,920 Speaker 4: a Supreme Court case, Massachusetts versus EPA, which merely allowed 80 00:04:31,920 --> 00:04:35,919 Speaker 4: greenhouse gases to be considered under the Clean Air Act 81 00:04:36,720 --> 00:04:41,040 Speaker 4: like CO two, Like what I'm breathing out right now? 82 00:04:41,960 --> 00:04:48,920 Speaker 4: Can that be regulated? It did not require the EPA 83 00:04:49,240 --> 00:04:55,080 Speaker 4: to require a declaration that carbon dioxide was a danger 84 00:04:55,160 --> 00:04:57,160 Speaker 4: to public health or welfare. 85 00:04:58,120 --> 00:05:00,120 Speaker 3: Don't blame this this root. 86 00:05:00,279 --> 00:05:05,400 Speaker 4: On the Supreme Court decision in Massachusetts versus EPA, because 87 00:05:05,440 --> 00:05:10,400 Speaker 4: in that decision they left that ultimate determination whether or 88 00:05:10,440 --> 00:05:14,320 Speaker 4: not to include CO two or greenhouse gases writ large 89 00:05:15,480 --> 00:05:18,560 Speaker 4: as part of their regulatory scheme. That was left up 90 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:21,440 Speaker 4: to the agency, which kind of gets back to the 91 00:05:21,520 --> 00:05:24,279 Speaker 4: Chevron doctrine in a kind of an obstruse way. The 92 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:27,960 Speaker 4: Chevron doctrine is this idea that you know, unless Congress 93 00:05:28,040 --> 00:05:31,960 Speaker 4: very specifically tells a regulatory agent agency what they can 94 00:05:32,080 --> 00:05:34,719 Speaker 4: or cannot do. The courts will defer to whatever the 95 00:05:34,760 --> 00:05:38,040 Speaker 4: agencies do or do not do, because it is presumed 96 00:05:38,120 --> 00:05:40,800 Speaker 4: or assumed under Chevron that they can kind of much 97 00:05:40,839 --> 00:05:42,840 Speaker 4: do whatever they want to do. 98 00:05:44,680 --> 00:05:46,480 Speaker 3: So, not surprisingly. 99 00:05:47,320 --> 00:05:53,080 Speaker 4: At all, they decided that CO two indeed was a 100 00:05:53,360 --> 00:05:54,960 Speaker 4: danger to public health and welfare. 101 00:05:55,839 --> 00:05:56,279 Speaker 2: Wow. 102 00:05:57,200 --> 00:05:58,560 Speaker 3: And from that. 103 00:05:58,400 --> 00:06:02,440 Speaker 4: If you if you I don't know if I've ever 104 00:06:02,600 --> 00:06:07,880 Speaker 4: encouraged the new KOA audience, if you ever had the opportunity, 105 00:06:08,520 --> 00:06:10,640 Speaker 4: particularly if you live here in Denver, but anywhere you 106 00:06:10,720 --> 00:06:14,239 Speaker 4: live anywhere you're listening to me, either in your public 107 00:06:14,320 --> 00:06:17,599 Speaker 4: library if they have it, or in your public public 108 00:06:17,680 --> 00:06:20,240 Speaker 4: library if they have it, or if there's a law 109 00:06:20,279 --> 00:06:24,120 Speaker 4: school near you, or maybe there is a university near 110 00:06:24,200 --> 00:06:27,360 Speaker 4: you or a college near you. Going to the library 111 00:06:28,040 --> 00:06:33,479 Speaker 4: or the library, and I want you to ask the librarian, Hey, 112 00:06:33,520 --> 00:06:35,680 Speaker 4: do you have the copy of the cod of Federal 113 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:39,400 Speaker 4: Regulations the CFR, and have them take you to see it, 114 00:06:40,320 --> 00:06:42,800 Speaker 4: and I want you to just it's like the first 115 00:06:42,839 --> 00:06:45,880 Speaker 4: time you walk over to the Grand Canyon and you 116 00:06:46,160 --> 00:06:48,920 Speaker 4: whether you're in the South or the North Rim, and 117 00:06:48,960 --> 00:06:52,080 Speaker 4: you look out and you see the vastness of the 118 00:06:52,080 --> 00:06:56,800 Speaker 4: Grand Canyon, it's amazing. Or you go see Mount Rushmore, 119 00:06:57,520 --> 00:07:00,120 Speaker 4: or the first time that you see Washington, DC as 120 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:02,279 Speaker 4: you're coming in from Dulles and and you see that 121 00:07:02,360 --> 00:07:05,240 Speaker 4: little point of the Washington Monument and it's lit up 122 00:07:05,240 --> 00:07:08,320 Speaker 4: at night, and you suddenly kind of make the hilltop 123 00:07:08,440 --> 00:07:11,360 Speaker 4: over in Virginia and you start looking down on the 124 00:07:11,400 --> 00:07:12,960 Speaker 4: city and you see the mall. 125 00:07:12,840 --> 00:07:14,280 Speaker 3: And it's like, oh wow. 126 00:07:15,680 --> 00:07:17,400 Speaker 4: Well, unfortunately the same is true when you see the 127 00:07:17,400 --> 00:07:22,360 Speaker 4: coda federal regulations, because you think I'm supposed to know 128 00:07:23,280 --> 00:07:27,680 Speaker 4: everything in there, and I could if I'm a small business, 129 00:07:28,560 --> 00:07:31,360 Speaker 4: or I decided to put say a goldfish, you know, 130 00:07:31,400 --> 00:07:33,920 Speaker 4: a koi pond in my backyard that I. 131 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:36,239 Speaker 3: Might be hlighting some EPA rule. 132 00:07:37,120 --> 00:07:37,560 Speaker 2: Huh. 133 00:07:37,680 --> 00:07:42,120 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's all in there. And the compliance costs of 134 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:49,240 Speaker 4: all of that is staggering, absolutely staggering. The Government Accountability 135 00:07:49,240 --> 00:07:56,360 Speaker 4: and Oversight Office did an investigation and confirmed what we've 136 00:07:56,400 --> 00:07:59,920 Speaker 4: long suspected. The endangerment finding was built around the can 137 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:04,080 Speaker 4: inclusion that had already been reached. Ah imagine that the 138 00:08:04,120 --> 00:08:07,240 Speaker 4: scientific process that followed was not designed to find out 139 00:08:07,240 --> 00:08:10,640 Speaker 4: whether not coe to actually pose an endangerment to you 140 00:08:10,720 --> 00:08:13,360 Speaker 4: and me or to the environment, but to defend a 141 00:08:13,480 --> 00:08:16,880 Speaker 4: regulatory outcome that they wanted to make sure they already 142 00:08:16,880 --> 00:08:21,160 Speaker 4: politically decided they were going to do. The engagement finding 143 00:08:21,240 --> 00:08:25,520 Speaker 4: was treated internally as a decision ready to go, and 144 00:08:25,560 --> 00:08:28,080 Speaker 4: now we'll build a scientific structure around it to defend 145 00:08:28,080 --> 00:08:35,760 Speaker 4: the outcome. A genuine scientific assessment of the endangerment doctrine 146 00:08:35,800 --> 00:08:39,760 Speaker 4: would have required confronting some inconvenient facts. In two thousand 147 00:08:39,800 --> 00:08:44,680 Speaker 4: and nine, the EPA spent no time whatsoever dealing with 148 00:08:44,720 --> 00:08:48,600 Speaker 4: the inconvenient facts. It never seriously addressed the role of 149 00:08:49,280 --> 00:08:52,480 Speaker 4: natural recovery from the Little Ice Age, a period that 150 00:08:52,600 --> 00:08:57,520 Speaker 4: was unusually globally cold, that peaked well before industrial CO 151 00:08:57,760 --> 00:09:00,800 Speaker 4: two emissions, and from which the planet had been rebounding 152 00:09:00,800 --> 00:09:05,720 Speaker 4: for more than one hundred years, treating all post nineteenth 153 00:09:05,720 --> 00:09:10,880 Speaker 4: century warming as being unprecedented and therefore dangerous and that 154 00:09:10,960 --> 00:09:14,080 Speaker 4: we had to quietly discard that kind of don't go 155 00:09:14,160 --> 00:09:17,720 Speaker 4: back too far in history. It also failed to grapple 156 00:09:17,800 --> 00:09:21,400 Speaker 4: within that benefits of modern warming. Remember yesterday our discussion 157 00:09:21,400 --> 00:09:25,280 Speaker 4: about the polar bears and how the polar bears was increased, 158 00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:28,280 Speaker 4: not the polar bears, but because of the receiving ice, 159 00:09:29,559 --> 00:09:33,760 Speaker 4: something that may turn Greenland into greenland once again. That 160 00:09:33,880 --> 00:09:39,400 Speaker 4: the amount of plankton in the Arctic is increasing by 161 00:09:39,480 --> 00:09:43,240 Speaker 4: leaps and bounds, so much so that the seals and 162 00:09:43,240 --> 00:09:45,360 Speaker 4: the walruses and everybody else are just getting fatter and 163 00:09:45,400 --> 00:09:48,840 Speaker 4: fatter and fatter, and they're multiplying, you know, like bunny rabbits, 164 00:09:49,040 --> 00:09:51,080 Speaker 4: and so now the polar bears are beginning to increase 165 00:09:51,080 --> 00:09:52,880 Speaker 4: in numbers because they got so much more food. 166 00:09:53,280 --> 00:09:56,120 Speaker 5: The friendly reminder too that this story was middle of 167 00:09:56,240 --> 00:09:58,319 Speaker 5: last year or so, and I'm sure it'll happen again 168 00:09:58,400 --> 00:10:02,640 Speaker 5: this year. About the alley digens in the air is 169 00:10:03,280 --> 00:10:07,920 Speaker 5: the pollinating season is getting longer and longer because the 170 00:10:08,280 --> 00:10:10,559 Speaker 5: planet is getting slightly warmer. 171 00:10:10,720 --> 00:10:13,440 Speaker 2: So it's it's it's a it's a bad thing. 172 00:10:14,120 --> 00:10:19,360 Speaker 5: These these plants are growing more because it's warm. 173 00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:22,720 Speaker 3: I don't know if what context this morning that reminds me. 174 00:10:22,760 --> 00:10:25,000 Speaker 4: I saw a story this morning in which they had 175 00:10:25,000 --> 00:10:27,440 Speaker 4: a little box over the corner, like a little graphic 176 00:10:27,480 --> 00:10:29,960 Speaker 4: of some sort, but it was a definition, and the 177 00:10:30,040 --> 00:10:34,280 Speaker 4: definition was something to the effect that farmer a person 178 00:10:34,360 --> 00:10:38,240 Speaker 4: that we expect to feed the world on a living 179 00:10:38,640 --> 00:10:42,520 Speaker 4: that causes their own family to starve to death. Well, 180 00:10:42,559 --> 00:10:47,079 Speaker 4: now with warming, the farmers can grow more. They're growing 181 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:50,280 Speaker 4: season becomes longer, and they can produce more food, so 182 00:10:50,320 --> 00:10:53,040 Speaker 4: we can all get fatter like the polar bears, and 183 00:10:53,120 --> 00:10:57,160 Speaker 4: we can all propagate more and have more kids, so 184 00:10:57,240 --> 00:10:59,760 Speaker 4: we can spend more money on the Trump accounts so 185 00:10:59,800 --> 00:11:01,679 Speaker 4: that more people can be financially secure. 186 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:02,840 Speaker 3: It's a win win. 187 00:11:06,600 --> 00:11:10,439 Speaker 4: It's this failure to recognize what Dragon's talking about the 188 00:11:10,520 --> 00:11:12,080 Speaker 4: net benefits of modest. 189 00:11:11,760 --> 00:11:13,600 Speaker 3: Warming to humans. 190 00:11:14,640 --> 00:11:15,600 Speaker 2: Cold is far. 191 00:11:15,480 --> 00:11:20,640 Speaker 4: Deadlier than heat, and agriculture productivity improves with longer growing seasons, 192 00:11:21,040 --> 00:11:26,960 Speaker 4: energy access reduces vulnerability. Those realities undermine the simplistic harm 193 00:11:27,080 --> 00:11:31,880 Speaker 4: narrative that is embedded in the endangerment finding. So the 194 00:11:31,960 --> 00:11:37,200 Speaker 4: EPA excluded the benefits of say CO two fertilization, despite 195 00:11:37,400 --> 00:11:42,280 Speaker 4: mounting evidence now overwhelming that actual higher CO two concentrations 196 00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:47,640 Speaker 4: have increased global leaf area, improved plant water use efficiency. 197 00:11:47,240 --> 00:11:48,560 Speaker 3: Boost to crop yields. 198 00:11:49,080 --> 00:11:52,840 Speaker 4: Satellite data did not support a story of planetary decline. 199 00:11:53,120 --> 00:11:59,400 Speaker 4: They supported one of widespread greening of the planet. The 200 00:11:59,400 --> 00:12:03,800 Speaker 4: most fundam middle flaw in the endagement finding is conceptual 201 00:12:04,360 --> 00:12:07,040 Speaker 4: for most of our history, For most of the planet's history, 202 00:12:07,080 --> 00:12:10,480 Speaker 4: not our history of the planet's history. Atmospheric CO two 203 00:12:10,600 --> 00:12:13,600 Speaker 4: levels were not two hundred and eighty parts per million. 204 00:12:13,640 --> 00:12:15,640 Speaker 4: They weren't even four hundred and twenty parts per million. 205 00:12:16,240 --> 00:12:17,640 Speaker 4: Do you know what they were for most of the 206 00:12:17,720 --> 00:12:21,240 Speaker 4: history of this planet anywhere from one thousand to more 207 00:12:21,240 --> 00:12:24,920 Speaker 4: than four thousand parts per million. And life did not 208 00:12:25,240 --> 00:12:32,120 Speaker 4: disappear under those conditions. It flourished, force expanded, biodiversity increased, 209 00:12:32,559 --> 00:12:38,240 Speaker 4: entire ecosystems thrived, and against that backdrop of one thousand 210 00:12:38,240 --> 00:12:41,160 Speaker 4: to four thousand parts per million of CO two, the 211 00:12:41,240 --> 00:12:46,480 Speaker 4: claim that today's atmosphere at roughly zero point zero four 212 00:12:46,600 --> 00:12:52,880 Speaker 4: percent CO two somehow that's unclean, that's dirty. You don't 213 00:12:52,880 --> 00:12:54,960 Speaker 4: have to do much research to understand that that's just 214 00:12:55,040 --> 00:12:59,400 Speaker 4: a bald faced line, because carbon dioxide is not some 215 00:12:59,440 --> 00:13:03,559 Speaker 4: poisonous it's not soulfi dioxide. It's not lead, it's not mercury, 216 00:13:03,800 --> 00:13:06,760 Speaker 4: it's not some you know, it's not nuclear waste. It's 217 00:13:06,800 --> 00:13:13,720 Speaker 4: an essential molecule for life. That's not ideological. Now I 218 00:13:13,760 --> 00:13:17,200 Speaker 4: know the Church of the Climate activists, they are all ideological. 219 00:13:17,840 --> 00:13:20,479 Speaker 4: What I just described for you is just basic chemistry, 220 00:13:20,600 --> 00:13:23,960 Speaker 4: and I'm not very good at chemistry, so the endagement 221 00:13:24,040 --> 00:13:29,640 Speaker 4: finding required redefining chemistry in order to make the regulation possible. 222 00:13:33,280 --> 00:13:37,640 Speaker 4: It's I think the most important contribution of the GOAO 223 00:13:39,520 --> 00:13:43,120 Speaker 4: is evidentiary. What the report documents is not a difference 224 00:13:43,160 --> 00:13:47,240 Speaker 4: of scientific opinion. Instead, it's a procedural failure that had 225 00:13:47,320 --> 00:13:51,920 Speaker 4: legal consequences. Because the endangerment finding itself is not merely controversial, 226 00:13:52,080 --> 00:13:55,760 Speaker 4: was constructed in a way that is now extremely vulnerable 227 00:13:56,120 --> 00:14:01,120 Speaker 4: under our modern administrative and judicial standards. You can go 228 00:14:01,160 --> 00:14:05,600 Speaker 4: to the Govoversight dot org and when you get there, 229 00:14:05,760 --> 00:14:08,800 Speaker 4: get into the search bar and search for the evidence 230 00:14:08,960 --> 00:14:12,120 Speaker 4: is in Endangerment Finding pre Cooked Or you can just 231 00:14:12,160 --> 00:14:17,160 Speaker 4: put in endangerment Finding pre cooked at govoversight dot org 232 00:14:17,480 --> 00:14:19,960 Speaker 4: and you'll find the You'll you'll find this document right there. 233 00:14:19,960 --> 00:14:22,400 Speaker 4: It's there for everybody to see. At the center of 234 00:14:22,440 --> 00:14:27,840 Speaker 4: that finding is a simple but devastating conclusion. The Environmental 235 00:14:27,880 --> 00:14:32,680 Speaker 4: Protection Agency treated the endangerment finding as a foregone conclusion 236 00:14:33,120 --> 00:14:38,080 Speaker 4: and then organized the scientific process around defending it. And 237 00:14:38,120 --> 00:14:41,760 Speaker 4: you wonder why we have such a cynicism about science 238 00:14:41,800 --> 00:14:46,520 Speaker 4: today because government has mastardized science and that it matters 239 00:14:46,600 --> 00:14:49,600 Speaker 4: because administrative law not only get two technically here, But 240 00:14:49,640 --> 00:14:54,560 Speaker 4: administrative law does not allow a regulatory agency to start 241 00:14:54,600 --> 00:14:59,920 Speaker 4: with a policy outcome and then backfill the justification afterwards. 242 00:15:00,520 --> 00:15:05,640 Speaker 4: The Administrative Procedures Act requires agencies to engage in reasonable 243 00:15:06,120 --> 00:15:11,040 Speaker 4: and reasoned decision making. What does that include? You get 244 00:15:11,080 --> 00:15:14,520 Speaker 4: away the evidence, You have to address uncertainty, You have 245 00:15:14,560 --> 00:15:18,960 Speaker 4: to respond to contrary data in good faith. The oversight 246 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:21,280 Speaker 4: report shows that the EPA did not do any of that. 247 00:15:23,120 --> 00:15:29,960 Speaker 4: The GAO investigation documents internal EPA behavior that reveals a 248 00:15:30,080 --> 00:15:33,680 Speaker 4: mindset that was focused on the necessity of this rule, 249 00:15:34,440 --> 00:15:39,200 Speaker 4: not scientific discovery. There's even staff communications emails. They always 250 00:15:39,200 --> 00:15:42,240 Speaker 4: come back to bite you. It was framed internally as 251 00:15:42,280 --> 00:15:44,240 Speaker 4: something that had to be issued in order to unlock 252 00:15:44,440 --> 00:15:47,640 Speaker 4: all of the authority under the Clean Air Act. So 253 00:15:47,840 --> 00:15:51,560 Speaker 4: it was not a test, it was a shield. And 254 00:15:51,560 --> 00:15:55,320 Speaker 4: this is why the benefits of CO two carbon dioxide 255 00:15:55,360 --> 00:16:01,880 Speaker 4: CO two fertilization, agricultural productivity, and ecosystem rea resilience that 256 00:16:01,920 --> 00:16:06,560 Speaker 4: gets excluded. EPA doesn't consider in any of that. It's 257 00:16:06,600 --> 00:16:11,360 Speaker 4: why adaptation of the planet, adaptation of human beings, adaptation 258 00:16:11,480 --> 00:16:15,560 Speaker 4: of just plant life and animal life in general was dismissed. 259 00:16:16,480 --> 00:16:20,760 Speaker 4: It's why uncertainty was treated as a communications problem rather 260 00:16:20,800 --> 00:16:26,960 Speaker 4: than a scientific reality, none of which is accidental, and 261 00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:30,720 Speaker 4: from the legal standpoint, that's going to be fatal. Now, 262 00:16:30,720 --> 00:16:34,440 Speaker 4: the courts don't require agencies to be perfect, but they 263 00:16:34,480 --> 00:16:37,800 Speaker 4: do require agencies to show that they genuinely grappled with 264 00:16:38,040 --> 00:16:43,840 Speaker 4: competing evidence. The record here shows the evidence was filtered 265 00:16:43,880 --> 00:16:48,360 Speaker 4: based on whether it supported a pre selected conclusion that's 266 00:16:48,400 --> 00:16:52,720 Speaker 4: not entitled to any sort of deference that can be 267 00:16:52,880 --> 00:16:56,680 Speaker 4: ripped apart in the court. And that is precisely what 268 00:16:56,720 --> 00:17:00,960 Speaker 4: the oversight report now puts on the record. And this 269 00:17:01,040 --> 00:17:04,480 Speaker 4: is where it gets interesting, or even more interesting. I 270 00:17:04,520 --> 00:17:12,080 Speaker 4: should say, the repeal process does not does not require 271 00:17:12,640 --> 00:17:16,159 Speaker 4: proving that climate change does not exist. In fact, the 272 00:17:16,160 --> 00:17:21,119 Speaker 4: real process, the repeal process does not require even that 273 00:17:21,200 --> 00:17:24,840 Speaker 4: Coe two has no warming effect, that bar is an 274 00:17:24,840 --> 00:17:31,159 Speaker 4: intention is intentionally unreachable. What it does require is demonstrating 275 00:17:31,240 --> 00:17:34,199 Speaker 4: that back in two thousand and nine they failed the 276 00:17:34,280 --> 00:17:38,080 Speaker 4: basic administrative law tests. They failed to consider all the 277 00:17:38,119 --> 00:17:43,520 Speaker 4: relevant factors, cost, benefits, adaptation, all the historical context. They 278 00:17:43,560 --> 00:17:46,880 Speaker 4: failed to respond to all the evidence that was put 279 00:17:46,880 --> 00:17:48,959 Speaker 4: into the record that was contrary to what they were 280 00:17:48,960 --> 00:17:55,199 Speaker 4: trying to accomplish. It fails because there was over reliance 281 00:17:55,280 --> 00:18:01,080 Speaker 4: on modeling, particularly speculating models at the of Oh, we 282 00:18:01,240 --> 00:18:06,640 Speaker 4: actually have real historical records and we have real human observations, 283 00:18:07,359 --> 00:18:14,080 Speaker 4: And it fails because it arbitrarily excluded the benefits tied directly. 284 00:18:13,680 --> 00:18:14,440 Speaker 3: To CO two. 285 00:18:18,080 --> 00:18:21,680 Speaker 4: So it's important to note that this is more than 286 00:18:21,840 --> 00:18:29,359 Speaker 4: just a political reversal. This is a fundamental restructuring of 287 00:18:29,520 --> 00:18:34,480 Speaker 4: how these kinds of rules get adopted. The finding does 288 00:18:34,480 --> 00:18:37,639 Speaker 4: not fail because new science suddenly appeared. It fails because 289 00:18:37,680 --> 00:18:41,760 Speaker 4: the original process can't stand the sunlight that's now being 290 00:18:41,840 --> 00:18:47,879 Speaker 4: shown on it. You know, Chris Wright over the Department 291 00:18:47,920 --> 00:18:53,159 Speaker 4: of Energy recently did a primate review, and unlike the 292 00:18:53,200 --> 00:18:56,600 Speaker 4: old nine EPA process, what the Department of Energy did 293 00:18:57,119 --> 00:19:02,919 Speaker 4: was explicitly acknowledged uncertainty, distinguished a touch from attribution, and 294 00:19:03,080 --> 00:19:07,720 Speaker 4: grounded his conclusions in observational records. And then it did 295 00:19:07,800 --> 00:19:12,159 Speaker 4: not claim catastrophe, you know, catastrophes where the data was 296 00:19:12,240 --> 00:19:14,920 Speaker 4: mixed or weak. It didn't treat the models as evidence. 297 00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:19,320 Speaker 4: It didn't pretend that adaptation is just irrelevant. In other words, 298 00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:22,920 Speaker 4: over Doe, they engaged in real science. 299 00:19:23,520 --> 00:19:26,880 Speaker 6: Good morning, Michael and Dragon Shift favored you here. 300 00:19:27,840 --> 00:19:29,600 Speaker 2: You're about the CEO two thing. All the heck to 301 00:19:29,680 --> 00:19:31,679 Speaker 2: do is you know, I talked to a bunch of 302 00:19:31,680 --> 00:19:33,440 Speaker 2: butt heads like me. 303 00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:40,320 Speaker 1: And growers, and they would exactly tell you all about 304 00:19:40,359 --> 00:19:44,880 Speaker 1: CO two and how good it is for your plans. 305 00:19:48,560 --> 00:19:52,960 Speaker 2: What does he do, rebe? What did he do? Like 306 00:19:53,000 --> 00:19:53,720 Speaker 2: does a profession? 307 00:19:54,040 --> 00:19:56,040 Speaker 3: Yeah? 308 00:19:56,119 --> 00:19:58,520 Speaker 4: I thought he say thing about it. You don't talk 309 00:19:58,520 --> 00:20:02,320 Speaker 4: to somebody like me, like you know, as a grower. Hmmm, 310 00:20:04,280 --> 00:20:04,840 Speaker 4: no idea. 311 00:20:05,080 --> 00:20:07,240 Speaker 3: Is he growing the devil's weed? 312 00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:11,200 Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure anybody can. 313 00:20:14,600 --> 00:20:21,399 Speaker 4: I saw a video clip yesterday about so I forget. 314 00:20:21,400 --> 00:20:26,200 Speaker 4: Somebody posted on X or something. The five on Fox 315 00:20:26,280 --> 00:20:30,760 Speaker 4: News was doing this fake outrage about the halftime super 316 00:20:30,760 --> 00:20:35,520 Speaker 4: Bowl show, and I forget. One of them asked, well, 317 00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:39,399 Speaker 4: if we're gonna have a Latino halftime show, where's the 318 00:20:39,480 --> 00:20:43,919 Speaker 4: Jews halftime show. They could have doctors and lawyers and 319 00:20:43,960 --> 00:20:46,960 Speaker 4: surgeons and chemists and bankers and everybody else, the. 320 00:20:54,600 --> 00:20:55,840 Speaker 3: Jews halftime show. 321 00:20:56,800 --> 00:21:02,240 Speaker 4: Kiss the the let's see we we get we the. 322 00:21:03,160 --> 00:21:04,320 Speaker 3: Sikh's halftime show. 323 00:21:04,520 --> 00:21:05,160 Speaker 2: Let's do that. 324 00:21:05,680 --> 00:21:10,200 Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, let's. 325 00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:14,440 Speaker 5: Go back to this endangerment ruling, to which you can 326 00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:16,320 Speaker 5: find at Michael says, go here dot com. 327 00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:21,640 Speaker 4: The entire government apparatus that has led to think about 328 00:21:21,800 --> 00:21:25,040 Speaker 4: just think about General Motors or Ford or any of 329 00:21:25,040 --> 00:21:32,000 Speaker 4: the other American automable deal the automobile makers manufacturers that 330 00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:36,199 Speaker 4: have taken such huge ride offs because they were mandated 331 00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:40,960 Speaker 4: to do all these evs or to meet these new 332 00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:44,359 Speaker 4: emission standards and they and they can't meet them, and 333 00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:46,840 Speaker 4: so now they're writing off, you know, billions of dollars. 334 00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:51,359 Speaker 4: Think about what continues on in Colorado to each and 335 00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:54,560 Speaker 4: every one of us, happening with Excel or Tri State 336 00:21:54,680 --> 00:21:57,639 Speaker 4: or any of the other you know, electrical providers and generators. 337 00:21:57,880 --> 00:22:00,800 Speaker 4: And while we're paying out the wazoo for them to 338 00:22:00,840 --> 00:22:04,159 Speaker 4: pursue something that we've all known for decades is a 339 00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:07,440 Speaker 4: bunch of bull crap. And now the rule itself that 340 00:22:08,080 --> 00:22:11,360 Speaker 4: created that in sitting is now being pulled. 341 00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:14,800 Speaker 3: Out from under the feet of all of these people. 342 00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:17,320 Speaker 4: Yet, well, let's slow down the yahoo's at the Colorado 343 00:22:17,359 --> 00:22:22,240 Speaker 4: Polup Bureau, not one bit. They'll keep pushing, you know, 344 00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:24,960 Speaker 4: to get to such and such emissions by twenty thirty, 345 00:22:25,119 --> 00:22:27,360 Speaker 4: by twenty fifteen, they'll do whatever. They'll continue to push 346 00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:33,240 Speaker 4: total electrification. They'll continue to do everything. Meanwhile, in DC, 347 00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:37,639 Speaker 4: everything that was the foundation for that is being ripped apart, 348 00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:43,280 Speaker 4: is just crumbling. You have to ask yourself, why do 349 00:22:43,359 --> 00:22:47,800 Speaker 4: they continue to ignore the siren the science go back 350 00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:51,960 Speaker 4: to that Department of Energy Review. At no point in 351 00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:56,040 Speaker 4: the attacks on the Department of Energy Review do the 352 00:22:56,040 --> 00:22:59,560 Speaker 4: critics seriously engage with the role of recovery from the 353 00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:01,000 Speaker 4: little age. 354 00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:03,119 Speaker 3: In long term warming. 355 00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:08,359 Speaker 4: The documented decline in climate related mortality, the lack of 356 00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:14,040 Speaker 4: consistent upward trends and normalized disaster losses, even when you 357 00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:18,760 Speaker 4: account for all of the increased infrastructure, the increased cost 358 00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:22,440 Speaker 4: of development in the line of fire of a disaster, 359 00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:27,320 Speaker 4: or the overwhelming evidence for CO two driven global greening, 360 00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:31,840 Speaker 4: or the geological reality that today's CO two levels are 361 00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:39,080 Speaker 4: incredibly low by standards of the Earth's history. Now they're 362 00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:41,040 Speaker 4: avoiding those topics for the same reason they re included 363 00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:42,760 Speaker 4: in two thousand and nine, because they weaken the case 364 00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:46,959 Speaker 4: for the engagement ruling to begin with. If modest warming 365 00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:51,960 Speaker 4: has been net beneficial, if CO two has enhanced biospheric productivity, 366 00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:55,760 Speaker 4: if societies adapt far faster than the models assume, and 367 00:23:55,880 --> 00:24:00,520 Speaker 4: if historical context undermines the claims of unprecedented dane. 368 00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:02,080 Speaker 3: Then the moral and legal. 369 00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:06,879 Speaker 4: Justification for sweeping regulation completely falls apart. So the debate 370 00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:13,720 Speaker 4: is displaced, completely displaced. Science has been replaced with complaints 371 00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:19,239 Speaker 4: about the process. Evidence is replaced with credential policing and 372 00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:25,399 Speaker 4: lawfare replaces scientific argument, scientific discovery, scientific theory, scientific testing. 373 00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:32,040 Speaker 3: So the repeal of the endangerment finding, which is really great. 374 00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:36,359 Speaker 4: News, I mean it truly is great news, nonetheless shows 375 00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:41,320 Speaker 4: that you know, it was all built on a foundation 376 00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:47,159 Speaker 4: of bull crap. This finding that CO two ie plant 377 00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:51,000 Speaker 4: food the fundamental foundation for all life on planet Earth. 378 00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:54,920 Speaker 4: It was never about science. It was a political agenda 379 00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:58,800 Speaker 4: wrapped in green rhetoric, all empowered by a two thousand 380 00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:02,320 Speaker 4: Supreme Court missed and of course the now defunct Chevron 381 00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:06,640 Speaker 4: deference doctrine. Go back to the Clean Air Acts, original 382 00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:12,159 Speaker 4: co author, Congressman John Dingle. His wife now serves him. 383 00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:15,840 Speaker 4: Maybe she's still in Congress, I'm not sure. He confirmed 384 00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:17,800 Speaker 4: in twenty ten that CO two was not meant to 385 00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:20,720 Speaker 4: be regulated under it. Yet here we are buried under 386 00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:25,080 Speaker 4: regulation choking emissions from vehicles, power plants, industries, costing US 387 00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:28,199 Speaker 4: trillions of dollars and even one of the co authors 388 00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:29,800 Speaker 4: of the Clean Air Acts. Wait a minute, we never 389 00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:33,639 Speaker 4: intended for CO two to be regulated, and John Dingle 390 00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:41,040 Speaker 4: was not exactly, you know, a raving conservative lunatic. This 391 00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:48,240 Speaker 4: is where personnel equals policy under EPA Chief le Zelt 392 00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:52,600 Speaker 4: and Trump's team accept to revoke this finding. They're arguing 393 00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:57,160 Speaker 4: that the agency overstepped without congressional approval, a direct challenge 394 00:25:57,160 --> 00:26:01,080 Speaker 4: to judicial overreach. This finding is shoved the way that 395 00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:04,760 Speaker 4: the US away from reliable, affordable fossil fuels. For were 396 00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:09,080 Speaker 4: these flaky renewables. It's jacked up our energy costs. It's 397 00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:14,080 Speaker 4: risking grid blackouts for everyday Americans, not just Californians, for everybody. 398 00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:22,960 Speaker 4: Resending it really will mean liberation for our economy. Now 399 00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:28,720 Speaker 4: resenting it, don't give me, don't misunderstand me. They've announced it. 400 00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:31,640 Speaker 4: They'll be lawsuits, it'll take some time to do it. 401 00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:35,440 Speaker 4: But remember when I talk about turning around the ship 402 00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:41,040 Speaker 4: of state, this is exactly what I'm talking about. So 403 00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:46,560 Speaker 4: here's lee Zelden revoking this finding, and that has shoved 404 00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:49,360 Speaker 4: us away from all of these things. So rescinding it 405 00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:54,760 Speaker 4: will mean liberation for the economy, unleashing market driven innovation 406 00:26:55,240 --> 00:27:02,000 Speaker 4: without bureaucratic shackles. US emission cuts alone won't budge the 407 00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:05,840 Speaker 4: global temperatures, not without shining in India stepping up. So 408 00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:09,440 Speaker 4: this is actually a bold strike against the regulatory state stranglehold, 409 00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:11,920 Speaker 4: which is a victory for common sense overall, the green 410 00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:14,320 Speaker 4: dogma coming out of the church of the climate activists, 411 00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:16,800 Speaker 4: even as those zealots fight tooth and nail to try 412 00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:21,800 Speaker 4: to keep this so. Rescinding this illegitimate finding removes the 413 00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:26,920 Speaker 4: foundation for the entire complex of Obama Biden climate regulation, 414 00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:30,600 Speaker 4: and it will ultimately liberate the Trump economy to boom 415 00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:33,960 Speaker 4: even larger than it already has. As Reagan said, it's 416 00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:38,840 Speaker 4: morning in America again. Finally, finally, Morning in America again. 417 00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:43,840 Speaker 6: Hey Dragon, I'm just kind of curious what's the over 418 00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:47,520 Speaker 6: under on whether or not Michael will bring up the 419 00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:50,320 Speaker 6: super Bowl or bad Bunny today. 420 00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:51,679 Speaker 4: Thanks. 421 00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:57,000 Speaker 5: I mean, he brought up the halftime show ish ish, 422 00:27:57,480 --> 00:27:59,639 Speaker 5: So if that there's that. 423 00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:03,120 Speaker 4: I would like to point out that I did mention 424 00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:07,920 Speaker 4: a discussion about the super Bowl halftime show. 425 00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:09,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, there's the issue. 426 00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:14,840 Speaker 4: I did not discuss the halftime super Bowl show or 427 00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:17,479 Speaker 4: the super Bowl halftime show, which every way you're supposed 428 00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:17,960 Speaker 4: to say it. 429 00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:24,680 Speaker 3: Because I don't care. I do not care. 430 00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:34,680 Speaker 4: There's an FBI report newly disclosed from twenty nineteen summarizing 431 00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:37,959 Speaker 4: an interview with former Palm Beach Police Chief Michael Ryder, 432 00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:42,760 Speaker 4: who reveals that Trump was among the first to contact 433 00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:48,040 Speaker 4: law enforcement in support of their early investigation into Jeffrey 434 00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:51,280 Speaker 4: Epstein back in the early two thousands. Now, according to 435 00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:54,160 Speaker 4: the interview summary, the three to h two, Trump called 436 00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:57,480 Speaker 4: the Palm Beach Police Department in July of six, around 437 00:28:57,480 --> 00:29:00,600 Speaker 4: the time the details of the pro became public, to 438 00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:05,960 Speaker 4: express his support for the efforts against Epstein. Why do 439 00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:09,000 Speaker 4: recount of that? Trump said, quote, thank goodness, you're stopping him. 440 00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:12,400 Speaker 4: Everyone has known he's been doing this, telling him, telling 441 00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:15,600 Speaker 4: him that quote people in New York knew Epstein was disgusting. 442 00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:19,560 Speaker 4: Quote Trump was one of this is according to the report, 443 00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:22,000 Speaker 4: Trump was one of the very first people to call 444 00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:26,440 Speaker 4: when people found out that they were investigating Epstein. That's again, 445 00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:29,920 Speaker 4: according to the report, adding that the then future president 446 00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:35,320 Speaker 4: described Epstein associates laying Maxwell's the pedophile's operative, adding that quote, 447 00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:38,520 Speaker 4: he is evil, and to focus on her now you 448 00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:40,760 Speaker 4: know she's still sitting in jail. She was going to 449 00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:43,600 Speaker 4: do a deposition. She invoked her fifth amendments. Surprise, surprise. 450 00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:46,200 Speaker 4: It was all performity politics. They just want to be 451 00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:49,160 Speaker 4: out and come out and talk about it. She's been 452 00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:51,640 Speaker 4: convicted of sex trafficking, miners and a bunch of other 453 00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:55,040 Speaker 4: kinds too. So Trump told this police chief that he 454 00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:58,040 Speaker 4: had once seen Epstein around teenagers and promptly quote got 455 00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:00,560 Speaker 4: the hell out of there and out of how he 456 00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:04,640 Speaker 4: had banned him from mar Algo uh back in the 457 00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:08,960 Speaker 4: two thousands. Virginia Geffrei, the high profile Epstein victim. 458 00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:09,480 Speaker 3: That's linked to. 459 00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:15,680 Speaker 4: Now former Prince Andrew, previously worked at Marilgo. Her father 460 00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:18,480 Speaker 4: was a maintenance worker, and said Trump was very kind 461 00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:20,440 Speaker 4: to her and denied that he was involved in any 462 00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:24,800 Speaker 4: sexual impropriety or even flirting. She said, quote, it's true 463 00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:27,560 Speaker 4: that he did not partake in any sex with us. 464 00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:31,240 Speaker 4: It's not true that he flirted with me. Donald Trump 465 00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:36,400 Speaker 4: never flirted with me. Writer who oversaw the initial Palm 466 00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:40,640 Speaker 4: Beach police investigation in Epstein that began that began twenty 467 00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:41,280 Speaker 4: one years ago. 468 00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:42,360 Speaker 3: Back in two thousand and. 469 00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:47,400 Speaker 4: Five, clashed with the local prosecutors over the cases handling, 470 00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:50,520 Speaker 4: then later turned the evidence over the FBI. He went 471 00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:55,160 Speaker 4: public in six to voice his frustration with the entire situation. 472 00:30:57,560 --> 00:31:03,120 Speaker 4: So the files confirm that Donald Trump blew the whistle 473 00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:06,200 Speaker 4: in Epstein's disgusting activities in a two thousand and six 474 00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:10,560 Speaker 4: phone call with the police. The police kept a record 475 00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:14,160 Speaker 4: of that and it got passed on to the FBI. 476 00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:20,479 Speaker 4: Democrats were apparently speechless, totally speechless. When you look at 477 00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:23,160 Speaker 4: at the document itself, let me pull it up here. 478 00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:29,720 Speaker 4: It's hard to blow up. Trump said Maxwell was Epstein's operative. 479 00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:32,520 Speaker 4: She is evil, and to focus on her. Trump told 480 00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:35,840 Speaker 4: Blank that he was around Epstein once when teenagers were present, 481 00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:38,720 Speaker 4: and Trump quote got the hell out of there. This 482 00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:45,520 Speaker 4: is again according to the police report. In the FBI documents, 483 00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:48,959 Speaker 4: no one could explain how Epstein made his money. They 484 00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:51,880 Speaker 4: knew he worked for bear Stearns. Blank was told that 485 00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:54,240 Speaker 4: Epstein was a kind of a technical guy that would 486 00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:56,360 Speaker 4: make it happen, but you didn't want to know how 487 00:31:56,960 --> 00:31:59,880 Speaker 4: he goes on and on. Prince Andrew was a fixture 488 00:31:59,880 --> 00:32:02,840 Speaker 4: of Palm Beach and he had no protection while there. 489 00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:05,520 Speaker 4: Blank has done interviews in the past with you know 490 00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:08,520 Speaker 4: people victims that thought the Palm Beach Police Department was 491 00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:11,200 Speaker 4: paid off by Epstein, which was why Blank went and 492 00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:13,960 Speaker 4: did these interviews. He felt he needed to defend the 493 00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:17,680 Speaker 4: Palm Beach Police Department. An interior designer told the Palm 494 00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:20,560 Speaker 4: Beach Police Department that rooms in the Virgin Islands had 495 00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:23,760 Speaker 4: been decorated for teenage girls. Blank contacted the Virgin Island 496 00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:27,040 Speaker 4: Police Department, but they were not helpful. In the end, 497 00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:30,480 Speaker 4: when Epstein had turned himself into plead to the misdemeanor, 498 00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:33,680 Speaker 4: Blank was not notified and found out from the newspaper. 499 00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:42,360 Speaker 4: That is interview with Blank Blank on October eighteen, twenty nineteen, page. 500 00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:43,640 Speaker 2: Four of four. 501 00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:50,600 Speaker 4: It's just amazing to me now if they want to 502 00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:55,520 Speaker 4: expose other people, and if Thomas Massey and Roe Conna, 503 00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:57,920 Speaker 4: the two congressman from Kentucky to the other from if 504 00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:00,640 Speaker 4: they want to go out and you know, so search 505 00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:04,040 Speaker 4: through the documents and expose some of these other high 506 00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:08,480 Speaker 4: profile people. Have added because I've said over and over 507 00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:11,720 Speaker 4: again it's my firm belief that if Trump had been 508 00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:15,720 Speaker 4: even an inkling of guilt, the Southern District of New 509 00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:18,320 Speaker 4: York would have gone after him a long time ago. 510 00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:21,960 Speaker 4: And they did not, and I think this is just 511 00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:24,800 Speaker 4: more evidence that he was not involved.