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Speaker 2: Mike Allen in for the great American Willie Cunningham. Dan

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Speaker 2: Carroll will be in for Willy tomorrow and then Willie

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Speaker 1: Well, we got.

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Speaker 2: President's Day twenty twenty six. It's always celebrated on the

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Speaker 2: third Monday of February, so today we celebrated February sixteenth,

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty five. You know, I'm old enough to remember

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Speaker 2: when in grade school it wasn't just one day you

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Speaker 2: of course government workers get the day off and people

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Speaker 2: honor the President's looking at a picture here of Mount Rushmore,

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Speaker 2: and you know, I just remembered this years and years ago.

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Speaker 2: wish somebody would take up that, cause, hey, we've got

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Speaker 2: a good show for you today. And let me just

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Speaker 2: But don't worry about it. I'll make it through. But again,

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Speaker 2: good show today. We have starting off at twelve thirty

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Speaker 2: doctor Tim Murphy, and he wrote a thing about going

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Speaker 2: looking forward to it at eleven o'clock, excuse me, one o'clock.

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Speaker 2: I've talked to her before a couple times, Michelle Steve.

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Speaker 2: She is the foremost expert I think on homelessness in

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Speaker 2: this country. But Michelle attacks it from kind of a

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Speaker 2: a proposal for that. I think it was right as

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Speaker 2: he was coming in the door for his second term.

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Speaker 2: Some of you that are around my age will remember

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Speaker 2: we had a place here in Cincinnati called Longview. It

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Speaker 2: I think we need to do it. I think what

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Speaker 2: I mean, it was very well intentioned, and it came

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Speaker 2: you what I don't know about you. I'm pretty optimistic.

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Speaker 2: I'm always optimistic about the Reds, sometimes without a lot

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Speaker 2: And we got a little change, obviously not in the ownership,

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Speaker 2: You've got a government agent, not a government agent, but

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Speaker 2: the state. Well, anyway, getting back to this motion that

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Speaker 1: Okay. They want to conduct a ninety.

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Speaker 2: they want to conduct a ninety day audit that would

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Speaker 1: What in the hell is that all about?

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Speaker 2: use this in the motion, and I'll get to that

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Speaker 2: in a minute. They use the term residents almost exclusively.

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Speaker 2: And for those that don't figure that out illegal aliens

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Speaker 1: Again, what the heck is that all about? And how

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Speaker 2: Certainly not tax paying citizens of the City of Cincinnati.

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Speaker 2: they also want to do this, They want to limit surveillance,

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Speaker 2: citizens targeting residents? So translated, what that means is, screw

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Speaker 2: go to the worst of the worst. Now, unless I'm wrong,

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Speaker 2: I don't think Cincinnati has been hit too hard with that,

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Speaker 2: Thank goodness, but hell, it could happen any day, you know,

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Speaker 2: safety and trust the emotion. Council Member James stated, the

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Speaker 2: motion aims to and I'm quoting him here, ensure the

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Speaker 2: safety of our again residents close quote and quote mitigrate,

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Speaker 2: mitigate threats.

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Speaker 1: Of violence close quote.

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Speaker 2: well let's just talk.

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Speaker 1: About that for a minute.

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Speaker 2: The first one, the lady that was running her car

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Speaker 2: that's a good shooting. None of them are good. I

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Speaker 2: It seems to me that that's probably going to be,

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Speaker 2: at the end of the day, a justified shooting.

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Speaker 2: Then he got the dude that decided to take the

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Speaker 2: And this is a reasonable question to ask, what about

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Speaker 2: Why why, council Member Ryan James, why don't you care

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Speaker 2: But if she doesn't, man just back up the Brinks

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Speaker 1: And I okay.

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Speaker 2: This motion seeks to inform the City Council and City

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Speaker 1: And what were you talking about any great extent. They

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Speaker 1: Hey, we got to take a break.

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Speaker 2: But when we get back, as I said right out

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Speaker 2: very high cost of neglecting schizophrenia, which he makes the case.

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Speaker 1: I think he's right.

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Speaker 2: We're doing in this country, and you know, besides the

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Speaker 5: There you go.

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Speaker 2: You knew that was I had no idea this guy

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Speaker 1: Uh, unbelievable. We're gonna be doing that through the morning.

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Speaker 2: But I know that was a little scratchy and everything,

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Speaker 1: But let's get back to business here.

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Speaker 2: I'll tell you what a newly released study on schizophrenia

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Speaker 1: Yet it's listen to this.

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Speaker 2: It's annual economic burden reached a staggering three hundred and

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Speaker 2: doctor Tim Murphy. He penned an op ed the Enormous

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Speaker 2: Doctor Murphy, thanks so much.

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Speaker 6: For joining us this morning, and thank you for the

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Speaker 2: You know what, and I I'll point out too that

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Speaker 2: The Christ Cure, Ten Biblical Ways to Heal from Trauma Tragedy,

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Speaker 1: Again, thanks for coming on today.

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Speaker 7: Can you do?

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Speaker 6: It?

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Speaker 2: Was an excellent piece, by the way, tell us about

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Speaker 6: Well, thank you.

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Speaker 8: Let me start up by explaining that people what schizophrenia

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Speaker 8: It's really a brain based mental illness, and it's characterized

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Speaker 6: Person may lack motivation to do things.

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Speaker 8: They lack insight, They many times they're not even where

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Speaker 8: When there was a man on a train in Charlotte,

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Speaker 8: and quite frankly, someone who has schizophrenia, if they're not.

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Speaker 6: Maybe we can't.

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Speaker 8: But oddly enough, the Congressional Budget Office, which always what

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Speaker 6: And I said, well, wait a minute, we're saving lots

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Speaker 8: They said, you don't care about jail because we're only

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Speaker 1: Now think of that.

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Speaker 8: You know, if you said, you know, I'm not going

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Speaker 6: Bucks, Well you can also freeze up your engine. You

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Speaker 6: And you can see the ridiculousness of that argument. But

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Speaker 6: Back in the nineteen fifties, we had five hundred thousand

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Speaker 8: Now we have about thirty six thousand hospital beds in

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Speaker 6: So where do people go and why did that happen?

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Speaker 1: Well, hey, doctor guy, I asked you something. I don't

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Speaker 1: Do you see that changing?

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Speaker 2: Because some of the things that I have read recently

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Speaker 2: But do you see that changing that perhaps will go

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Speaker 1: I mean, do you see us going.

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Speaker 9: Back to that?

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Speaker 6: Well, I don't think we should go back to those

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Speaker 8: Every city has had a huge institution where one, two, three, four,

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Speaker 6: In and oftentimes without due process, they were just put

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Speaker 8: Well, now, the biggest mental health institutions in every county

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Speaker 8: in America is the county jail. And some people the

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Speaker 8: reasons that just came out and said, many of these

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Speaker 8: places have children in junile detention facilities who have had

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Speaker 8: no crime, but they have no place to treat them,

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Speaker 8: so they put them in jail. No crime, But kids

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Speaker 8: are putting in jail now. But here's here's why we

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Speaker 8: don't have beds. The federal government said, you know, we

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Speaker 8: want to do our part to make sure we're not

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Speaker 8: having these big institutions.

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Speaker 6: So they said, we won't pay if the institution has

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Speaker 6: more than sixteen bets sixteen beds, So think about that.

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Speaker 8: Any big city a number of these things. I mean,

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Speaker 8: they don't limit the number of beds for an oncology

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Speaker 8: wing or pediatrics or something like that, but to say

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Speaker 8: sixteen beds, which means they can't really function. Now, states

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Speaker 8: can go through a lot of paperwork and ask for

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Speaker 8: a waiver et that, but why is the federal government even.

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Speaker 6: Limited and it gets worse. They e would say the lifetime,

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Speaker 6: we're only going to allow you one hundred and ninety days.

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Speaker 6: But schizophrenia is a disease that ubs and flows and

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Speaker 6: a person may need to go back to the hospital.

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Speaker 8: What happens generally they get called when they're making threats,

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Speaker 8: when they're out of control, they're wandering around the streets,

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Speaker 8: they're acting irrationally.

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Speaker 6: Who comes not an andowance but a police car.

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Speaker 8: And then if it's sadly, if it develops into an altercation,

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Speaker 8: now they're charge the crime. They go to jail or

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Speaker 8: in jail, they if they have an violet assault with

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Speaker 8: someone else, very often times of put in solitary confinement.

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Speaker 6: So I lay all that out and say, well, what

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Speaker 6: do we do with these folks. Well, here's what happens.

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Speaker 6: Very often it's the family that tries to take care

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Speaker 6: of them.

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Speaker 8: I have meant so much many families in my career

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Speaker 8: where they said, we spent our life savings, we spent

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Speaker 8: all of our retirement funds. I'm trying to get treatment

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Speaker 8: for our son or daughter that the insurance wouldn't pay for.

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Speaker 8: We've got an apartment for them, try to get supervised apartments,

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Speaker 8: anything like that. I've known very wealthy families who have

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Speaker 8: spent several hundreds of thousands of dollars trying to help someone,

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Speaker 8: and families.

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Speaker 6: With no money that just ran out try and help someone.

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Speaker 8: So when you look at the people who are homeless,

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Speaker 8: a large percentage of the homeless are people with psychosists

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Speaker 8: and severy megic onus not in treatment, and even when

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Speaker 8: they are in jail, they're not in treatment, so they

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Speaker 8: cycle back to the system. Okay, let's look at the numbers.

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Speaker 6: And this is where it gets scary because someone says,

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Speaker 6: well it doesn't affect me.

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Speaker 1: I'm not doing this.

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Speaker 6: Well you are, you're paying for it.

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Speaker 8: So you mentioned before that's staggering statistic of three hundred

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Speaker 8: and sixty six pointy eight Folli.

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Speaker 6: Well, here's where it breaks down.

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Speaker 8: A lot of that is the labor that goes into

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Speaker 8: things where families got to take care of them, the

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Speaker 8: unpaid labor that a family oftentimes has to quit their job,

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Speaker 8: they have to pay out of their own pocket for

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Speaker 8: health care, they have lost productivity, they're not paying taxes.

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Speaker 6: That's just the family, and so that alone could be

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Speaker 6: about one hundred and sixty billion a year. You have

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Speaker 6: shorten life expectancy and the fact that you have some

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Speaker 6: with mental illness.

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Speaker 8: They don't have a job, they're not taking care of themselves,

504
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Speaker 8: they're not paying into the tax basis, so that's another

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Speaker 8: eighty eight billion. Then you have their health care costs

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Speaker 8: because people with severe mental owness about seventy five percent

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Speaker 8: of them have at least one chronic illness and fifty

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Speaker 8: percent to have two or more.

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Speaker 6: That's another thirty six billion.

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Speaker 8: You have unemployment to reduce wages, you have disability payments,

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Speaker 8: and then into.

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Speaker 6: The area that is the criminal justice system, and that's

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Speaker 6: about over nine.

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Speaker 8: Billion for incarceration, another two or three billion for social

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Speaker 8: justice with the justice system interactions. And this does not

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Speaker 8: include all the time that police officers spend with some

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Speaker 8: with mental owness. They say that's about ten percent of

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Speaker 8: their time waiting in a car with a patient because

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Speaker 8: they're not getting in the hospital.

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Speaker 6: The list goes on and on.

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Speaker 8: But the point is states and counties are not taking

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Speaker 8: care of these things adequately, so they think, well, we'll

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Speaker 8: put them in jail, and very often they sit there

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Speaker 8: for a long time. The person who's committed a minor crime,

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Speaker 8: maybe they shop lift something in Walmart.

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Speaker 6: Next thing you know, they're in jail.

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Speaker 8: They're going to fight with another prisoner or with the

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Speaker 8: guard because they're not in treatment right now.

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Speaker 6: They're charges something else and their time goes much much longer.

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Speaker 6: So there's this whole list of things that go on,

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Speaker 6: and to me, I equate it to do you remember

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Speaker 6: the old legendary Pentagon's famous six.

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Speaker 10: I read that right, Well, that's this is worse because

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Speaker 10: it's real and it's hugely expensive, and Congress just has

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Speaker 10: to wake up and states have to wake up and

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Speaker 10: stop saying, hey, nobody cares about crazy people, so we're just.

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Speaker 8: Gonna let it go through and and but it is

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Speaker 8: incredibly expensive and it's inhumane.

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Speaker 1: Very let me just echo what you said before.

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Speaker 2: I spent most my adult career in the criminal justice

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Speaker 2: system and a number of number of positions the last

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Speaker 2: twenty years or so. I'm retired by the criminal offense attorney,

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Speaker 2: is what I was. You make the point the largest

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Speaker 2: psychiatric facilities are county jails, And let me tell you something, doctor,

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Speaker 2: you are absolutely right on that. You know, and I'm

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Speaker 2: no expert, but my guess would be at least half

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Speaker 2: maybe more, not necessarily schizophrenia, but some kind of mental issue.

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Speaker 2: Now we have a sheriff who does is as best

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Speaker 2: she can to try to help with that, but it's

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Speaker 2: kind of overwhelming. And again, at the end of the day,

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Speaker 2: as you point out so much, that's if we don't

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Speaker 2: take care of it, it just gets worse. But I

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Speaker 2: just wanted to kind of echo that because I don't

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Speaker 2: think people realize it.

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Speaker 6: It's massive. Well, those statistics you guessed that are pretty accurate.

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Speaker 8: Actually, national studies have found out about sixty four to

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Speaker 8: seventy percent of these jail popul visions are someone with

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Speaker 8: mental illness about fifty four percent in state prisons and

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Speaker 8: forty five percent of federal prisons. But once they're in prison,

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Speaker 8: it's important. Many times I've seen between fifty and eighty

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Speaker 8: percent do not get proper care, so they're worse, their

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Speaker 8: symptoms get worse. You know, imagine if someone had again

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Speaker 8: some other brand disease or any chronic illness and we said, well,

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Speaker 8: you're going to go to jail, but you're not going.

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Speaker 6: To get care for this.

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Speaker 8: Well, counties think they're saving money by not paying for it,

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Speaker 8: but the jail over, I mean, they come out more

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Speaker 8: likely to be.

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Speaker 6: Homeless or struggling, or recycle back into jail. And that's

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Speaker 6: tragic and quite frankly, it puts police officer at risk.

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Speaker 1: Sure that that.

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Speaker 6: Person learns in prison to be more paranoid, more worried,

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Speaker 6: more frightened about things. We could really be helping people. Now.

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Speaker 8: I know this is scary for the public because they say, well,

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Speaker 8: if this person is violent, do we want them on

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Speaker 8: the street.

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Speaker 6: Look, there is some people with treatment could do pretty well.

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Speaker 8: Again fifteen twenty percent, there are some you need more supervised,

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Speaker 8: closely supervised treatment.

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Speaker 6: So it's like housing, supervised housing. Some have said, oh, well,

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Speaker 6: just give them an apartment. They'll be fine.

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Speaker 8: Now if they need to be in medication and in

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Speaker 8: counseling treatment, they need that. There was a movement tried

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Speaker 8: called housing First. It says, let's just give him houses.

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Speaker 8: I mean, in California, Kevin Newsom said he's spent twenty

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Speaker 8: four billion dollars or five years to try.

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Speaker 6: And reduce the homeless population.

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Speaker 8: No one seems to know where that money went, but

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Speaker 8: even the auditor General in the state of California said

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Speaker 8: it got worse out there and.

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Speaker 6: The money was not effective.

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Speaker 9: So back to this.

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Speaker 8: Then, we are looking at massive numbers that go through this,

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Speaker 8: and there are some quite frankly who.

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Speaker 6: Because they're they just can't control themselves, they need to

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Speaker 6: be a lock treatment facility for a long long time.

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Speaker 6: But we've eliminated those, right.

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Speaker 8: And you see situations where judge says, well, I can't

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Speaker 8: keep them in there because they tell me that gonna

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Speaker 8: be okay, they're gonna become they're gonna be fine, they're

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Speaker 8: gonna go treatment.

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Speaker 6: Well, there's a condition with some psychoses called MNA signosia

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Speaker 6: where the person is not aware they're sick now not

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Speaker 6: even aware that they're not aware.

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Speaker 8: It's similar to again some with dementia Alzheimer's, they're not

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Speaker 8: aware they have a problem. But here we have to

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Speaker 8: say no, we need to get you into help. But

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Speaker 8: there's some that say we should never force anybody into treatment.

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Speaker 6: They have rights to it. I get it, they have rights,

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Speaker 6: but they're gonna die with their rights on.

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Speaker 2: Well, right, I like that, they'll die with their rights on,

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Speaker 2: and you're absolutely right about that, and some civil libertarians

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Speaker 2: that is their position. I don't understand why they can't

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Speaker 2: get it. Unfortunately, we don't have a lot of time left,

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Speaker 2: only about two and a half minutes. But you have

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Speaker 2: at the very end of your excellent piece what may

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Speaker 2: be done. I think there's nine of them. Can you

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Speaker 2: hit some of the big ones for us, what you

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Speaker 2: think should be done to help this problem?

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Speaker 6: Yes? Absolutely. By the way, people can find this article,

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Speaker 6: my website is doctor Tim Murphy dot com. That's dr

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Speaker 6: Tim Murphy dot Thank you. But here's the key things.

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Speaker 6: Congress needs to eliminate these outdated limits on psychiatric beds

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Speaker 6: and in patient days. States and counties need to collect

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Speaker 6: more accurate data on serious and mental illness.

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Speaker 8: They don't do that, and they don't look at say well,

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Speaker 8: are these people getting better, what's the treatment outcomes, what

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Speaker 8: is being done? And they need to have that and

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Speaker 8: they need to be held accountable for doing timely and

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Speaker 8: effective use of the funds Medicare and medicaid using to

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Speaker 8: treat this. We also need to train physicians and schools

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Speaker 8: to recognize early signs of psychosists and children and adolescents

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Speaker 8: and intervene with proper care. By the way, a recent

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Speaker 8: study found that a lot of kids with no crime

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Speaker 8: at all are being sent to prison because there's no

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Speaker 8: place for them.

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Speaker 6: And here's another thing that relates to a lot of

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Speaker 6: your listeners. So a lot of states are saying, let's

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Speaker 6: we're gonna have all this money from legalizing their wana.

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Speaker 6: Won't this be great?

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Speaker 8: And the big weed people are advertising and go into

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Speaker 8: the fund raisers for elected officials and saying, look at this,

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Speaker 8: you're gonna have all this money.

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Speaker 6: But here's the problem.

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Speaker 8: Huge cost to cannabis, and that is it greatly increases

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Speaker 8: the incidence of psychosis and schizophrenia, long term schizophrenia, and

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Speaker 8: then that increases costs for hospitalization for all these things.

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Speaker 8: I just mentioned, but also because they have more auto accidents,

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Speaker 8: more emergency room visits, more intensive care unit care.

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Speaker 6: It costs a lot of money.

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Speaker 8: So my belief is, take that cannabis tax money that

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Speaker 8: you have, put it into treatment of mental illness.

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Speaker 6: It's very important.

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Speaker 8: We also have to have more research on schizophrenia. There's

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Speaker 8: just a small amount that is spent on medication research.

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Speaker 8: So those are a number of things that are out there,

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Speaker 8: and we need more people who were trained to take

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Speaker 8: care of them because most psychologists, psychiatrists and nurses are

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Speaker 8: not specifically trained to specialize in this. It's an important

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Speaker 8: part of people and I say to people, if you

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Speaker 8: have to do this out of compassion, do this out

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Speaker 8: of economic and financial care.

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Speaker 6: And I think biblically we're told that it is our.

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Speaker 8: Obligation to take care of those form naked, those are

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Speaker 8: in prison, and those SIYEP and so it all comes

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Speaker 8: down to those things.

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Speaker 2: Doctor Murphy, you make a very very strong case, and

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Speaker 2: I appreciate you being with us today. Anything else you'd

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Speaker 2: like to say how people can get a hold of you.

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Speaker 2: I know you just gave out the website, but anything else.

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Speaker 8: Sure, my website, Doctor Tim Murphy dot Com and too

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Speaker 8: there also, I do need to mention that book I

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Speaker 8: call The Christ Cure ten Blay from Trauma I special

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Speaker 8: I was also in the Navy, and I specialize in

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Speaker 8: the care of veterans and first responders with PTSD and trauma.

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Speaker 6: The meager money I get from each one of those books,

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Speaker 6: it's just a book. I get fifty center so I

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Speaker 6: put into my program so I can treat veterans for free.

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Speaker 6: They go go to our program. You don't charge them

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Speaker 6: for that. So that's a book that I say. It's

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Speaker 6: a handbook for the broken and those who love them.

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Speaker 6: I hope people look at it. There's a lot of

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Speaker 6: great reviews of it.

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Speaker 8: The Christ Care Ten Biblical Ways to Heal from Trauma,

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Speaker 8: Tragedy and PTSD. You can go to Amazon or link

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Speaker 8: up through my website to get that. But that helps

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Speaker 8: us treat our veterans too.

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Speaker 1: So thank you all right, sir, Thank you so much.

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Speaker 1: We can call on you in the future anytime.

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Speaker 6: I really appreciate it. Thank you so much for paying

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Speaker 6: attention this issue. Too many people are ignoring you.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely. Thank you. Doctor.

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Speaker 2: See, I told you that was going to be interesting.

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Speaker 2: And when we get back we got to break for

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Speaker 2: the news, and I did this on purpose. We're kind

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Speaker 2: of piggybacking because there's similar issues. We're going to talk

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Speaker 2: to Michelle Steve. She is, if not the premier expert

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Speaker 2: on homelessness in this country, she's certainly one of them.

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Speaker 2: We're going to talk to her, and she I believes

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Speaker 2: advocates for strengthening these civil commitment process and President Trump,

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Speaker 2: I think, right as he was getting in the door

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Speaker 2: of the second term, put forth a proposal for that.

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Speaker 2: And we will talk to Michelle Steve about that when

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Speaker 2: we get back. Mike Allen in for Willy seven hundred

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Speaker 2: WLW by.

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Speaker 11: Beating the event and it pulls the bottom metopic people

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Speaker 11: off the punt. In any font the India, you can't

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Speaker 11: greater than that of any in the civil law. And

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Speaker 11: it was a struggle to preserve the government of the

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Speaker 11: United States. Now it is a struggle to preserve the financial.

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Speaker 9: Unner of the government.

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Speaker 5: Oh breed, I preachers and honest double had unpunished and

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Speaker 5: that'sal credits had.

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Speaker 11: Quate revenues for the uses of the government, protection.

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Speaker 5: To labor and industry, reservation of the whole market.

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Speaker 9: And freec opacity.

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Speaker 5: Which will extend all mouign markets.

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Speaker 1: The nation. Station seven hundred WLW, and that was William McKinley.

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Speaker 2: You can see the quality of the recording gets better

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Speaker 2: with the president as we move forward. That was from

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Speaker 2: a campaign stop in eighteen ninety eight. Now you know

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Speaker 2: your history. You know that William McKinley was cut down

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Speaker 2: by an assassin's bullet in nineteen one, and that paved

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Speaker 2: the way for Tay Rosevelt to become president and tr

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Speaker 2: won a term in his own right, probably not the

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Speaker 2: most interesting president, one of the most anyway, Let's get

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Speaker 2: down to business here. Across America's streets, the homeless epidemic

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Speaker 2: is claiming lives, fracturing families, and eroding public safety. All

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Speaker 2: over America, the homeless epidemic is claiming lives, and again

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Speaker 2: it simply erodes public safety. The homeless crisis has been

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Speaker 2: worsened by and Bough I tell you what. This is

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Speaker 2: so true by well intentioned policies that elevate the notion

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Speaker 2: of freedom over timely life saving intervention. Guest, And as

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Speaker 2: I said before, I did this on purpose having doctor

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Speaker 2: Murphy first, because they both kind of dubtail into each other.

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Speaker 2: But Michelle Steve has a long track record as a

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Speaker 2: prominent thought leader in creating transformative solutions that actually address

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Speaker 2: in a practical way the root causes of the homeless crisis.

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Speaker 2: Michelle is the founder of the Free Up Foundation, which

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Speaker 2: is a private nonprofit organization based in Lucas, Texas that

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Speaker 2: was established to addressed homelessness and addiction. And as I said,

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Speaker 2: we've had Michelle on before. She is a great guest,

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Speaker 2: loaded with knowledge. Michelle, thanks so much for joining us again.

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Speaker 12: Oh thanks for having me again. I'm looking forward to

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Speaker 12: continuing our discussion me too.

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Speaker 2: I just want to tell you right before you we

747
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Speaker 2: talked to doctor Tim Murphy. I don't know if you're

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Speaker 2: familiar with him. He's a very prominent expert in the

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Speaker 2: field of schizophrenia. And one of the things that he says, Michelle,

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Speaker 2: and I think I hear you saying the same thing too,

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Speaker 2: is you can't put a band aid on this thing,

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Speaker 2: mental illness, and you've got to treat it at the source,

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Speaker 2: and you have to again, you have to follow through

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Speaker 2: with it. Is that what you say in your piece

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Speaker 2: in the Daily Caller.

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Speaker 12: Yes, very much so. But let me start with by

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Speaker 12: start with saying you've got to you've got to acknowledge it.

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Speaker 9: Right.

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Speaker 12: So in homelessness, up until twenty thirteen, as a country,

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Speaker 12: we provided the homeless with different forms of housing, but

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Speaker 12: all of that housing was accompanied with treatment services such

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Speaker 12: as addiction treatment and or mental health counseling. And it

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Speaker 12: was the combination of those things which we as a country,

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Speaker 12: you know, had evidence that helped the homeless move out

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Speaker 12: of homelessness and moved towards their you know, full human potential.

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Speaker 12: But in twenty thirteen, it was President Obama who took

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Speaker 12: an approach to homelessness called Housing First, which was developed

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Speaker 12: for the very severe, chronically homeless, and the notion was just,

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Speaker 12: you know, get them off the streets as quickly as

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Speaker 12: possible and put them in a house, and don't require

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Speaker 12: anything of them in that house, in that apartment, because

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Speaker 12: that would be a barrier to them accepting the housing.

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Speaker 12: This policy, again developed for a very small segment ten

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Speaker 12: to twenty percent of the homeless population. The Obama administration

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Speaker 12: rolled out as a one size fits all approach to homelessness.

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Speaker 12: So what that meant was in twenty thirteen, we no

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Speaker 12: longer funded nor provided treatment services, only funded and provided

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Speaker 12: a housing voucher for the homeless. And what's happened is

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Speaker 12: there as we've discussed, but just to reiterate, most of

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Speaker 12: the homeless have what I call accompanying issues that you know,

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Speaker 12: a companying issue could be mental illness, it could be

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Speaker 12: drug and alcohol counseling. In fact, about eighty percent of

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Speaker 12: the population do struggle with one or both of those.

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Speaker 13: But there's also issues such.

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Speaker 12: As domestic violence, largely in the female population, criminal histories,

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Speaker 12: you know, lack of high school diploma, and ged that

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Speaker 12: are all barriers to the homeless being able to realize

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Speaker 12: their full potential. And we no longer as of twenty thirteen,

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Speaker 12: addressed any of those issues.

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Speaker 13: We just gave them a housing voucher and said, okay, you.

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Speaker 12: Know, now you can choose what you want to do

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Speaker 12: while you're in that housing, if you want to engage

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Speaker 12: in treatment.

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Speaker 13: But you know, the bottom line is human beings were

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Speaker 13: justsg for purpose.

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Speaker 12: We were designed to be productive, to be in community

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Speaker 12: with one another, to do things with our.

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Speaker 13: Lives that we were created to do.

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Speaker 12: And this policy approach called housing first, is completely ignored

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Speaker 12: the accompanying diseases of mental health and drug and alcohol addiction,

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Speaker 12: but it's also ignored the fundamental need for human beings

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Speaker 12: of purpose. So it's been a massive failure. The Obama

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Speaker 12: administration promised in twenty thirteen this would end homelessness in

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Speaker 12: a decade. We're now at the highest point ever in

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Speaker 12: our nation, almost thirty five percent. And the homeless have

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Speaker 12: gotten sicker because diseases, when they go untreated, just like cancer,

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Speaker 12: just like heart disease, they get worse. And we now

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Speaker 12: have a very, very sick and and growing homeless population

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Speaker 12: that thankfully this president, President Trump has said we need

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Speaker 12: to help them. We can no longer keep doing what

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Speaker 12: we've been doing that has failed, and he has a

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Speaker 12: whole you know, approach in place to turn this crisis around.

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Speaker 1: Can you tell us about that what the president is proposing.

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Speaker 2: I know when we talked some months ago, you kind

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Speaker 2: of gave chapter and verse on that, and I think

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Speaker 2: it was at the beginning of the second term, if

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Speaker 2: I'm not mistaken, But can you kind of walk us

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Speaker 2: through that what he is supposing.

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Speaker 12: Sure so in July, actually, you know, within six months

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Speaker 12: of his first term, he issued an executive order July

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Speaker 12: twenty twenty five and said, again, we can no longer

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Speaker 12: keep doing what has clearly failed, which is just giving

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Speaker 12: the homeless housing vouchers and not helping them address these

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Speaker 12: accompanying issues.

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Speaker 13: He said, we need to as a country.

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Speaker 12: By the way, the federal government is the largest funder

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Speaker 12: of homelessness, so when they change policy, it has incredible

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Speaker 12: ripple effects all across the country, all the way down

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Speaker 12: to local governments who actually receive a lot of federal

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Speaker 12: money to address homelessness. So the President said, we, with

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Speaker 12: our money, need to reprioritize mental health treatment, drug and

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Speaker 12: alcohol treatment, employment training, you know, trauma therapy, and provide

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Speaker 12: those services in conjunction with not just lifelong housing. In fact,

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Speaker 12: very few of the homeless population, maybe around ten to

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Speaker 12: twenty percent need lifelong housing, which is what permanent housing is.

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Speaker 12: They need transitional housing, they need shelter, they need temporary

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Speaker 12: housing with these services, so as they heal and they

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Speaker 12: develop capacity, they can actually get their own.

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Speaker 13: Housing and afford their own housing.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 13: That's the way it used to be done.

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Speaker 12: It's the way that you know, human beings evolve is

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Speaker 12: you know kids, right, we learn how to work, we

844
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Speaker 12: learn how to you know, participate in our household to

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Speaker 12: participate in civil society and then we start contributing towards

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Speaker 12: our livelihood. We didn't start off that way, but we

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Speaker 12: developed the capacity to be able to do that.

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Speaker 13: So this is this is not just a proven.

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Speaker 12: Way, but it's it's a you know, it's how human

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Speaker 12: beings evolve and how society has evolved. And this policy

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Speaker 12: under the last twelve years, Uh, the Obama policy, i

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Speaker 12: should say, has completely ignored all of that, and it's

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Speaker 12: just been a massive failure.

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Speaker 1: Let me ask you this.

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Speaker 2: I mean, he's only been in office a little bit

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Speaker 2: over a year, I guess. But are we actually seeing

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Speaker 2: now that this is being put into place?

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Speaker 11: Oh?

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Speaker 13: No, In fact, I'm glad you asked the question.

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Speaker 12: The homeless advocates we often call them the homeless industrial commons, they're.

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Speaker 13: Actually love that.

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Speaker 12: They are actually blocking these reforms in the courts, just

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Speaker 12: like you know, the progressive left is doing on so

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Speaker 12: many other issue areas. They are using the courts to say, oh,

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Speaker 12: this is too big of a change, this is too quick.

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Speaker 13: You know, And it's all about themselves.

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Speaker 12: It's about they don't want to change policy because they've

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Speaker 12: they've been enjoying a lot of money and a lot

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Speaker 12: of power in the last twelve years.

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Speaker 13: So they're saying, oh, we can't. You know, this is

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Speaker 13: too big, we can't do this.

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Speaker 12: They found a court in Rhode Island, in the first

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Speaker 12: circuit that has bought their.

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Speaker 13: I want to call at BS. I probably shouldn't say that, but.

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Speaker 12: This arguments hook, line and sinker and is blocking the

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Speaker 12: administration from implementing these reforms.

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Speaker 13: So the administration has a legal strategy.

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Speaker 12: I'm not privy to what that is, but they absolutely

879
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Speaker 12: are committed to reversing this crisis, and they are going

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Speaker 12: to stand firm behind the need to help human beings

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Speaker 12: heal and grow and prosper. In doing that, prioritizing mental

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Speaker 12: health treatment and drug and alcohol treatment in conjunction with

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Speaker 12: temporary housing as a hand up for the homeless.

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Speaker 2: Gotcha, We are talking to Michelle Steve, one of the

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Speaker 2: nation's premiere experts on the problem of homelessness. She wants

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Speaker 2: to address it in a way that makes sense, though,

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Speaker 2: and what you just heard from or is that the

888
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Speaker 2: other side is not wanting to do that. Surprise, surprise.

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Speaker 2: I think we talked about this. The last time we

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Speaker 2: talked to Michelle. We had a place here in Cincinnati,

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Speaker 2: where I'm from. It was called Longview. It was a

892
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Speaker 2: mental hospital. It was not a nice place when I

893
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Speaker 2: was a cop. I mean we would take people out there,

894
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Speaker 2: not real often, but it just wasn't a nice place.

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Speaker 2: Having said that, though the people that were there they

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Speaker 2: got their meds. I mean, you had people that cared

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Speaker 2: about them. Do you see it seems to me, but

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Speaker 2: do you see that? Maybe slowly, but surely we're trending

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Speaker 2: back to that and not putting them in a dungeon,

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Speaker 2: a good, solid, safe facility.

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Speaker 14: Yeah.

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Speaker 13: So I neglected to mention.

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Speaker 12: The other part of the President's executive order was to

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Speaker 12: strengthen what's called civil commitment laws. I mean, most states

905
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Speaker 12: have civil commitment laws on the books, but they're either

906
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Speaker 12: very weak or they're not enforced. And so the President

907
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Speaker 12: in hiseo last July is calling for the strengthening and

908
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Speaker 12: increased usage of those laws to help people who are

909
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Speaker 12: too sick to make, you know, the decisions for themselves

910
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Speaker 12: that they need to make to enter treatment. That is

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Speaker 12: going to require a building of a system that doesn't

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Speaker 12: currently exist. Again, under the last twelve years, we've ignored

913
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Speaker 12: mental illness and addiction as it relates to homelessness, and

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Speaker 12: defunded a lot of those services.

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Speaker 13: But also what I.

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Speaker 12: Want to say is, as you know, many know, Reagan

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Speaker 12: is often accredited, if you will, with shutting down the

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Speaker 12: mental hospitals. But there's a very very valid reason he

919
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Speaker 12: did that, and that's because the outcomes of those hospitals

920
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Speaker 12: that were actually given rise to under the Kennedy administration.

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Speaker 12: The outcomes of those institutions were horrible, and Reagan said,

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Speaker 12: we can no longer you know, fund that those kinds

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Speaker 12: of outcomes that were just just miserable. Congress at that

924
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Speaker 12: point was supposed to come up with a new approach,

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Speaker 12: you know, something much more effective as it relates to

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Speaker 12: mental illness, and that didn't happen. But but one of

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Speaker 12: the things the presidents acknowledged is we don't have the

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Speaker 12: system in place right now. So the funding that I

929
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Speaker 12: am going to allocate through this or direct through this

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Speaker 12: EO Executive Order will help build that kind of system.

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Speaker 13: And so I really want to stress we we don't need.

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Speaker 12: To go back to, you know, the institutions like under

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Speaker 12: one one fluent one flew over the creeper's nest kinds

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Speaker 12: of things.

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Speaker 13: That's not what this president is saying.

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Speaker 12: He is saying, we have neglected mental illness and treatment

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Speaker 12: for way too long, and we need to build a

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Speaker 12: system that really helps people heal and grow.

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Speaker 2: Never enough time, Michelle Steve, I really appreciate you talking

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Speaker 2: to us today and hope we can keep in touch

941
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Speaker 2: and have you back on you bet, Thank you so

942
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Speaker 2: much before you go. Is there anything that you would

943
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Speaker 2: like to shay where they can get a hold of

944
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Speaker 2: you or anything.

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Speaker 13: Well, thank you, yes, thank you.

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Speaker 12: You can follow me on Twitter at Steve Michelle, but

947
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Speaker 12: also my website Michelle Steve dot com and also a

948
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Speaker 12: Free Upfoundation dot com to keep posted on new things

949
00:53:47,080 --> 00:53:50,439
Speaker 12: we write and new approaches and new ideas to help

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Speaker 12: turn this crisis around.

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Speaker 1: That is great. Thank you so much for telling us that.

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Speaker 14: Thank you.

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Speaker 2: Okay, all right, there you go. I mean it sure

954
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Speaker 2: seems like the pendulum as far as the homeless problem goes,

955
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Speaker 2: is swinging in the right direction. And again, just let

956
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Speaker 2: me make clear, I don't want to see Longview. Well,

957
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Speaker 2: they tore it down, but a good solid facility that

958
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Speaker 2: treats people with care and dignity, that's where we need

959
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Speaker 2: to get back to. And it sounds like the president

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Speaker 2: is on the right page. I just hope he's got

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Speaker 2: time in his second term to get it done. Hey,

962
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Speaker 2: we got to take a break for the news. But

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Speaker 2: when we get back, well, I'll tell you what parents

964
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Speaker 2: are not happy about social media. Surprise, surprise. I'm so

965
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Speaker 2: glad we didn't have to deal with it when our

966
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Speaker 2: kids were growing up. But Snapchat in particular, there are

967
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Speaker 2: parents that are up in arms about it. Janis Heisel

968
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Speaker 2: from the Epoch Times did her usual deep dive into it,

969
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Speaker 2: and we're going to talk to Janis about that when

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Speaker 2: we get back. Mike Allen in for Willie seven hundred WLW.

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Speaker 9: A great fundamental issue we know before.

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Speaker 7: It is are the American people fit to govern themselves,

973
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Speaker 7: to rule themselves, to control themselves?

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Speaker 6: I believe they are. My advance do not.

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Speaker 2: I believe in the light of the people too.

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Speaker 7: I believe that the majority of the plane people of

977
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Speaker 7: the United States will day in and day out, make

978
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Speaker 7: two mistakes in governing themselves than any smaller class or

979
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Speaker 7: body of men, no matter what the draining will make

980
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Speaker 7: in trying to governor. I believe again that the American

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Speaker 7: people are as a whole capable of self control and

982
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Speaker 7: the learning by their.

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Speaker 2: Mistakes, Oh Teddy Roosevelt, and you can see as we

984
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Speaker 2: go on the audio quality gets a lot better. Well,

985
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Speaker 2: he was an interesting guy. He ran his last time,

986
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Speaker 2: either nineteen twelve or nineteenth I was nineteen twelve, I think,

987
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Speaker 2: on the Bull Moose party third party ticket and was

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Speaker 2: not successful. But what a colorful, interesting guy. Anyway, Hey,

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Speaker 2: let's get back to business here, and we're going to

990
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Speaker 2: do that right now. Snapchat reform, you're starting to hear

991
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Speaker 2: about it, not just Snapchat but social media in general.

992
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Speaker 2: But Snapchat is the social media platform it's allegedly saying.

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Speaker 2: They're saying that they're enhancing their safety capabilities, says that

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Speaker 2: it has fought This is snapchat illegal activity such as

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Speaker 2: excuse me a second, such as.

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Speaker 1: Well, I'll tell you what I got this cold, I

997
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Speaker 1: lost my place.

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Speaker 2: Such as a drug a mainly fentanyl dealing and that's

999
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Speaker 2: a big deal on Snapchat, and Janus, our next guest,

1000
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Speaker 2: will tell you about that. But parents are I think

1001
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Speaker 2: rightfully skeptical. Janis Heiseel, senior reporter for The Epoch Times,

1002
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Speaker 2: did a deep dive into the problem with her article

1003
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Speaker 2: of last week, remembering one hundred and eight children, grieving

1004
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Speaker 2: parents urge Snapchat reform. Janis, thanks so much for taking

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Speaker 2: time out of your holiday here to be with us.

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Speaker 14: Oh, of course, thank you very much. This is an

1007
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Speaker 14: important issue.

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Speaker 13: I'm glad to talk about it, sure is.

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Speaker 2: Tell us what you found out, what you learned about Snapchat? Now,

1010
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Speaker 2: didn't they kick in? I could be wrong, but didn't

1011
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Speaker 2: they kick into that lawsuit that's going on now? And

1012
00:57:23,920 --> 00:57:26,680
Speaker 2: they're not a party to it? Or am I wrong

1013
00:57:26,720 --> 00:57:27,080
Speaker 2: about that?

1014
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Speaker 15: The parents who I wrote about just most recently, who

1015
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Speaker 15: did a protest, basically a demonstration outside of the Snapchat

1016
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Speaker 15: offices in California last week, they are not directly part

1017
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Speaker 15: of that suit. They're actually part of a separate lawsuit.

1018
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Speaker 15: But what's interesting about all there are a bunch of

1019
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Speaker 15: lawsuits out there right now against various social media platforms

1020
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Speaker 15: alleging basically that these products are defective and harmful. And

1021
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Speaker 15: it's interesting because the lawyers who are representing the plaintiffs

1022
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Speaker 15: to people who are bringing these losses, they're saying things

1023
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Speaker 15: like this, these cases are now like you know, they're

1024
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Speaker 15: going to be landmark cases. It's going to be like

1025
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Speaker 15: they say, it's it's kind of like the equivalent of

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Speaker 15: the tobacco industry. I think many of us are aware of,

1027
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Speaker 15: or at least maybe even live.

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Speaker 16: Through the time when tobacco companies were trying to say that.

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Speaker 15: Their product were perfectly fine for people, and then of

1030
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Speaker 15: course information came out otherwise. And so they're trying These

1031
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Speaker 15: people who are pressing these lawsuits are hoping for a

1032
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Speaker 15: similar result now on behalf of the social media companies.

1033
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Speaker 15: They're basically trying to say that they have already taken

1034
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Speaker 15: steps to try to protect people as soon as they

1035
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Speaker 15: became aware of certain problems, especially Snapchat. Snapchat when it

1036
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Speaker 15: comes to children, because it's very appealing to kids because

1037
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Speaker 15: they think it's designed to be kind of fun.

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Speaker 16: And I've never used it, but I've talked to.

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Speaker 15: These parents who became very familiar with it as a

1040
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Speaker 15: result of what happened to their children. And it's for

1041
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Speaker 15: those who are not familiar. It's an app where you

1042
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Speaker 15: can go on and take like a fun picture of

1043
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Speaker 15: you and your friends, and then it disappears. And the

1044
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Speaker 15: idea is you don't have to feel pressure that it's

1045
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Speaker 15: going to be out there forever and like may come

1046
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Speaker 15: back and embarrass you, you know, years later.

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Speaker 16: And it's just sort of fun. It feels like it's

1048
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Speaker 16: a private way to communicate with your friends.

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Speaker 15: But the problem was, apparently there were some features on Snapchat.

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Speaker 16: Now it's my understanding that some of these things, or even.

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Speaker 13: Many of these things have been.

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Speaker 15: Corrected, but where there was a geolocation feature where say, Mike,

1053
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Speaker 15: if you and I were in the same general area

1054
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Speaker 15: we were you know, quote unquote friends or contacts or

1055
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Speaker 15: whatever on Snapchat, it would let me know that you

1056
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Speaker 15: there's other Snapchat users out there floating around, or maybe

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Speaker 15: even if we weren't members, it might just tell me

1058
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Speaker 15: here are the people near you, or even Snapchat you might.

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Speaker 16: Want to communicate with them. And because of that feature, apparently.

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Speaker 15: As I unders shand it this is again as a

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Speaker 15: non user of this platform, but as I understand it,

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Speaker 15: that the drug dealers were able to even locate kids

1063
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Speaker 15: who weren't looking for drugs.

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Speaker 16: It would just sort of start out like a conversation

1065
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Speaker 16: with them and walks the kids into.

1066
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Speaker 15: Going, hey, why don't you try this? And just to

1067
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Speaker 15: be clear, the kids who ended up dying from fentanyl

1068
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Speaker 15: in almost all the cases I'm aware of, they thought

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Speaker 15: they were getting something harmless like a percoset or at

1070
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Speaker 15: least harmless in air quotes, because everything has side effects.

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Speaker 15: Anybody's seen as commercial knows that on TV, how you know,

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Speaker 15: the side effect may include whatever. So the idea is

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Speaker 15: that these kids may not have necessarily been looking for

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Speaker 15: drugs at all, or even those who were, maybe they

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Speaker 15: were going to you know, they were they were experiencing anxiety,

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Speaker 15: some type of physical pain. One kid had a dental

1077
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Speaker 15: problem that ended up dying. But they poisoned these pills

1078
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Speaker 15: with a snap with the fentanyl. And the reason is

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Speaker 15: that it apparently fentanyl is a lot cheaper, and it

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Speaker 15: also gives people so much of a high that they

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Speaker 15: want more. But the problem is if you miscalibrate.

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Speaker 14: It, the person dies.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's the case I suppose with Alexander Neville,

1084
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Speaker 2: who you talk about and talk about his mother, Amy Neville,

1085
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Speaker 2: isn't that what happened with him?

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Speaker 14: It was a fentanyl thing, Yes, exactly.

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Speaker 16: She she found him dead and blue and his being

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Speaker 16: bad chair.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, she wept when she told me about this.

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Speaker 15: And I actually originally did a feature on her last

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Speaker 15: year on the five year anniversary of her child's death.

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Speaker 15: And she has become a real national advocate.

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Speaker 16: This woman.

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Speaker 15: In fact, the way I described her is that she

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Speaker 15: forces herself to people what happen like on like probably

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Speaker 15: the worst day of her life, finding.

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Speaker 16: Her son dead, because she is so committed to helping

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Speaker 16: other people avoid this same type of tragedy.

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Speaker 14: She told me she did all the right things as

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Speaker 14: a parent, at least that she knew.

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Speaker 4: Of back then.

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Speaker 16: If you think about it, five years ago or six years.

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Speaker 15: Ago, in two thousand and twenty twenty twenty, when her

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Speaker 15: son died, people weren't really aware of the fential problem

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Speaker 15: as much as we are now. And so when she

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Speaker 15: looked on her kid's phone to kind of like police

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Speaker 15: it and check and see what he was up to,

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Speaker 15: she didn't think anything of this snapchat.

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Speaker 16: Thing and didn't understand like that.

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Speaker 15: Apparently these drug dealers us like codes like emojis, like

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Speaker 15: the little symbols like different smiley faces or bananas or

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Speaker 15: whatever icons that mean something, and the o afrigat which department?

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Speaker 6: Though?

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Speaker 16: Is that an Ohio agency put out? I think it's

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01:02:51,120 --> 01:02:55,360
Speaker 16: a drug awareness campaign helping parents understand how.

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Speaker 15: Those emojis are used to communicate among children and drug dealers.

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Speaker 2: Isn't that something I mean, I am so glad I

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01:03:02,760 --> 01:03:07,960
Speaker 2: am not raising children teenagers now in this horrible, rotten

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Speaker 2: scenario that we have. I wouldn't want to be a

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Speaker 2: kid in this thing. And maybe I'm being an old

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Speaker 2: fuddy duddy, but it's just awful. What the parents, I

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Speaker 2: mean parents, if they're doing their job, they're always going

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Speaker 2: to be on their toes. But I think this is ridiculous.

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Speaker 2: Do you get the opinion janis or the feeling that

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Speaker 2: Snap I guess that's the company that owns Snapchat, that

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Speaker 2: they're taking this seriously. And the reason I ask on

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Speaker 2: page three of your story, they made a statement of

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Speaker 2: just bear with me on to read it, and you

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Speaker 2: report that quote Snap unequivocally. This is their statement condemns

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Speaker 2: the criminal conduct of the drug dealers whose actions led

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01:03:47,160 --> 01:03:51,840
Speaker 2: to these tragedies, spokesman said via email. Addressing the fentanyl crisis,

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Speaker 2: DEMANSI United Front, bringing together law enforcement, government officials, medical professionals, parents, educators,

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01:03:58,400 --> 01:04:02,840
Speaker 2: tech companies, and advocacy organizations. We have long recognized the

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Speaker 2: urgency of this issue and have devoted substantial resources to

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01:04:07,800 --> 01:04:13,120
Speaker 2: combating illegal activity on our platform, including decisive action against

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Speaker 2: drug dealers close quotes now that to me, it just

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Speaker 2: sounds like a basic cya we've got to get something

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Speaker 2: out statement. I guess the question is do they understand

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Speaker 2: or do they care about the real ongoing problem of

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Speaker 2: this thing.

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Speaker 15: Well, I can't personally give you an opinion, but I

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01:04:32,360 --> 01:04:36,880
Speaker 15: will tell you that the parents express to me extreme

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01:04:37,120 --> 01:04:39,080
Speaker 15: frustration that they feel.

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Speaker 16: That Snapchat hasn't done enough. And one of the basic things.

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01:04:42,000 --> 01:04:48,400
Speaker 15: That they're asking for is more a stronger way to

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01:04:48,680 --> 01:04:54,400
Speaker 15: lock down and make sure that these platforms are verifying ages.

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Speaker 14: Of users, and then those younger users have.

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Speaker 15: A lot more safeguards put in play right now, apparently,

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01:05:02,000 --> 01:05:05,200
Speaker 15: at least says I understand it. Based on my conversations

1150
01:05:05,240 --> 01:05:09,480
Speaker 15: with these parents and other research, it's my understanding that.

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01:05:09,840 --> 01:05:12,200
Speaker 16: The age verification.

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01:05:12,720 --> 01:05:16,720
Speaker 15: Isn't as locked down as these parents believe that it

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01:05:17,320 --> 01:05:18,440
Speaker 15: could and should be.

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Speaker 16: Now, I don't really know what the reason.

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Speaker 15: Could be on Snapchat's end of it, because again they

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01:05:25,640 --> 01:05:27,320
Speaker 15: didn't answer any specifics.

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01:05:27,720 --> 01:05:30,440
Speaker 16: They gave me, you know, a general statement.

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Speaker 2: As you read gotcha. You know, I'm looking at the

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Speaker 2: article and you have a picture in there of I

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01:05:35,000 --> 01:05:40,440
Speaker 2: guess like some of the rioters they wrote took painted

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01:05:40,520 --> 01:05:43,280
Speaker 2: some things on the street. There's a picture of one

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Speaker 2: of them cleaning it up there. I mean, these are basically,

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Speaker 2: I don't want to say housewives because that's not accurate,

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Speaker 2: but mothers, I guess, responsible mothers grieving their children. Was it,

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Speaker 2: from your understanding, kind of a peaceful demonstration?

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Speaker 16: Oh yeah.

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Speaker 14: I actually talked to the phantom A police department and

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Speaker 14: they said there were no incidents at all or anything like.

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Speaker 15: That, but they did get called to the scene because

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01:06:07,440 --> 01:06:11,400
Speaker 15: it was like over you know, dozens of people unloaded

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01:06:11,440 --> 01:06:13,120
Speaker 15: from a couple of buses and they came out and

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01:06:13,200 --> 01:06:16,440
Speaker 15: came to the names of the deceased children right outside

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Speaker 15: of Snapchats headquarters there in Santa Monica, California.

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Speaker 16: I wasn't able to be.

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Speaker 15: There, but we did have a photographer who lived in

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01:06:24,360 --> 01:06:27,320
Speaker 15: California who was on scene. I also, of course, did

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Speaker 15: interview by phone Amy Neville.

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Speaker 16: As you mentioned.

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Speaker 15: I also was going to try to talk to a

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Speaker 15: lady who came all the way from the UK, but

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Speaker 15: she and I were unable to link up before my headline,

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Speaker 15: and I felt so bad about that because I really

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01:06:43,840 --> 01:06:46,040
Speaker 15: wanted to find out, you know, what in the world

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Speaker 15: made this lady feel so motivated that she came all

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01:06:49,480 --> 01:06:53,640
Speaker 15: this way to participate in this event. Outside there were

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01:06:53,720 --> 01:06:57,880
Speaker 15: speeches and things, and you know, posters. These parents had

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Speaker 15: posters of their kids with their faces on them saying

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Speaker 15: forever whatever age they were, forever nineteen, forever fourteen, whatever

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Speaker 15: age they were when they died. It's really sad when

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Speaker 15: you see the actual faces of these children.

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Speaker 16: And again, these social media platforms are saying they feel.

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Speaker 15: They've done a lot to once they're aware of problems.

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Speaker 16: So it'll be interesting to see how the courts are

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01:07:23,280 --> 01:07:26,760
Speaker 16: able to sort out, you know, who's right, who's wrong,

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Speaker 16: what the ruling.

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Speaker 15: Should be in all of these cases that are similar

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Speaker 15: but not necessarily directly related.

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Speaker 2: It is landmark litigation and it will wind its way

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Speaker 2: to the United States Supreme Court. And well, i'll tell

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Speaker 2: you what, I hope they come down hard on them.

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01:07:43,520 --> 01:07:46,360
Speaker 2: It's like I said, these parents, they have an impossible job.

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Speaker 2: The woman that you referenced that her fourteen year old

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01:07:50,640 --> 01:07:55,320
Speaker 2: boy bought the pill lace with fentanyl, it sounds to

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Speaker 2: me like she was responsible, did everything that she could do,

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Speaker 2: but it just kind of slid by. And you and

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Speaker 2: your story too. You talk about a group called Heat Initiative.

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Speaker 2: It's online Child Safety advocacy group. They organize a demonstration

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Speaker 2: lesson last than the hour. The group's CEO, Sarah Gardner,

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Speaker 2: alleges that Snapchat and I'm quoting Ms Gardner here quote

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Speaker 2: has fought to avoid any meaningful accountability. A release said,

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Speaker 2: So you know that that doesn't sound like they're taking

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Speaker 2: it as seriously as they say.

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Speaker 15: They are not in the view of the HEAT Initiatives

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Speaker 15: and the parents that are pressing these cases and are

1215
01:08:33,439 --> 01:08:36,040
Speaker 15: just really spo seeking a lot of answers for these

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Speaker 15: children's staff.

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Speaker 16: I did I get to speak again to the lady

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Speaker 16: from the.

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Speaker 15: UK, but with my understanding that she hit resistance when

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Speaker 15: she tried to get that from Stepshat about her kids

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Speaker 15: don't account and that's another issue that parents are one

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Speaker 15: more parental controls and access when we're talking about minors.

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Speaker 1: Let me ask you this.

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Speaker 2: He talked towards the end of the article about the

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Speaker 2: Kids Online Safety Act, sponsored by Senator Marsha Blackburn, Republican

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Speaker 2: from Tennessee. What do you know about that? Do you

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Speaker 2: know anything about where it stands now? Is it in

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01:09:09,920 --> 01:09:12,200
Speaker 2: committee and kind of bogged down? Or what do you

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Speaker 2: know about that channels.

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Speaker 15: Well, it's been bandied about for a whihile now in Congress,

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01:09:17,520 --> 01:09:20,719
Speaker 15: it did get reintroduced, as I understand, but I don't

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Speaker 15: haven't really seen any big updates on it in recent weeks.

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Speaker 15: But there's just been a lot going on in the

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Speaker 15: short amount of time that the lawmakers have been in

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Speaker 15: session since the beginning of this year. So as far

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01:09:34,040 --> 01:09:37,280
Speaker 15: as I know, there's not any meaningful movement just yet

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01:09:37,920 --> 01:09:40,479
Speaker 15: on that, but it seems like there has been an

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01:09:40,560 --> 01:09:45,760
Speaker 15: increasing push to try to make that happen. And in

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Speaker 15: Snapchat's defense, they said that they were the first social

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01:09:49,479 --> 01:09:54,120
Speaker 15: media platform to sign on to supporting that, and that

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Speaker 15: legislation would actually force these platforms to take certain steps

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Speaker 15: to ensure more child safety. They call it tools and

1243
01:10:03,439 --> 01:10:06,840
Speaker 15: safeguards to protect the users under the age of seventeen.

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Speaker 2: Do you, I mean, have you gotten any information about

1245
01:10:10,640 --> 01:10:13,559
Speaker 2: the profits for these companies, how much money they're making

1246
01:10:13,680 --> 01:10:14,519
Speaker 2: off of our kids.

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Speaker 1: I'm just curious. I just wanted I knew about that.

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Speaker 15: Yeah, for some previous reporting I did, but off the

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01:10:22,400 --> 01:10:24,160
Speaker 15: top of my head right now, Mike, I don't have

1250
01:10:24,360 --> 01:10:26,280
Speaker 15: that at the top of my head. But of course,

1251
01:10:26,360 --> 01:10:28,240
Speaker 15: you know a lot of the data.

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01:10:28,640 --> 01:10:30,120
Speaker 1: You know, we are the product.

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01:10:30,200 --> 01:10:31,400
Speaker 16: I think a lot of people forget that.

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Speaker 15: Whenever you use any social media search engines like Google,

1255
01:10:36,800 --> 01:10:39,760
Speaker 15: all of this, they are tracking who you are, what

1256
01:10:39,960 --> 01:10:43,320
Speaker 15: you do, what you're interested in, and therefore, what magic

1257
01:10:43,439 --> 01:10:45,080
Speaker 15: products could we put in front of you that you

1258
01:10:45,240 --> 01:10:49,640
Speaker 15: might buy, or what organization might want to know the

1259
01:10:49,760 --> 01:10:52,000
Speaker 15: type of people who are doing searches for this type

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Speaker 15: of information.

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Speaker 16: They're selling that data.

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Speaker 1: We are the product.

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Speaker 6: Yep.

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Speaker 1: Well, let me close with this and you can respond

1265
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Speaker 1: if you want to. You don't have to.

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Speaker 2: But I just I've got a theory that two thousand

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01:11:05,880 --> 01:11:10,639
Speaker 2: years from now, when anthropologists are looking at our community,

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Speaker 2: looking at our culture, I think they're going to say,

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01:11:13,200 --> 01:11:16,400
Speaker 2: you know, what they were doing okay, back in twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty six, or in probably close to two thousand, they

1271
01:11:21,120 --> 01:11:25,400
Speaker 2: were doing okay before social media came along. I get

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Speaker 2: it has benefits, but well, I tell you, in my

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01:11:28,400 --> 01:11:31,680
Speaker 2: humble opinion, which doesn't really mean anything, I think it's

1274
01:11:31,760 --> 01:11:33,599
Speaker 2: more of a problem than it is a benefit.

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Speaker 1: That's just me though.

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01:11:36,439 --> 01:11:39,360
Speaker 15: Yeah, I've got to tell you, I've often thought back

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01:11:40,080 --> 01:11:42,040
Speaker 15: back over the weekend, happened to watch a movie that

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01:11:42,200 --> 01:11:44,000
Speaker 15: was based in the nineteen eighties, and it made me

1279
01:11:44,160 --> 01:11:48,120
Speaker 15: just go, Wow, what a simpler time that you didn't

1280
01:11:48,200 --> 01:11:51,320
Speaker 15: have the proliferation, you'd have the cell phones, you didn't

1281
01:11:51,360 --> 01:11:55,479
Speaker 15: have the constant being connected. In fact, it was miracle,

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01:11:55,640 --> 01:11:59,639
Speaker 15: the miracle on ice, the nineteen eighty hockey team. Oh yeah,

1283
01:12:01,120 --> 01:12:04,759
Speaker 15: and you just look at the pure joy that people.

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01:12:04,640 --> 01:12:08,760
Speaker 16: Experience from being at that historic sporting event, and just

1285
01:12:08,960 --> 01:12:12,760
Speaker 16: a different you know, you know, people aren't posing for photos.

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01:12:12,439 --> 01:12:13,960
Speaker 14: The way they do now that of course, they did

1287
01:12:14,040 --> 01:12:14,960
Speaker 14: pose for photos, but.

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Speaker 13: Not every time around.

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01:12:18,120 --> 01:12:20,760
Speaker 14: Uh, it's it's a it's a you know, look at me,

1290
01:12:20,880 --> 01:12:21,960
Speaker 14: look at me situations.

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01:12:22,120 --> 01:12:24,000
Speaker 15: So yeah, that's and that's not just that.

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Speaker 13: It almost seems like almost everybody it sure does look.

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Speaker 16: At me perstantly.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, so I hear you on that.

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01:12:30,000 --> 01:12:33,400
Speaker 15: It was a definitely simpler time before all these social

1296
01:12:33,479 --> 01:12:37,719
Speaker 15: media that came about. And I admit I find myself

1297
01:12:38,160 --> 01:12:41,200
Speaker 15: sometimes love the screen and hard to put myself away,

1298
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Speaker 15: how about you, No, I.

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Speaker 1: Hear that occasionally.

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01:12:43,520 --> 01:12:45,479
Speaker 2: Yes, I try to keep it to a minimum though,

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Speaker 2: But now I understand what you're saying, janis, Hey listen,

1302
01:12:48,960 --> 01:12:49,559
Speaker 2: we're out of time.

1303
01:12:49,600 --> 01:12:52,360
Speaker 1: But this was really good. I really appreciate it and

1304
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Speaker 1: keep an eye on this thing, if you.

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Speaker 14: Will, absolutely, thank you again for the opportunity.

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01:13:00,160 --> 01:13:04,240
Speaker 2: All Right, Janisizele doing her usual very thorough job, and

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Speaker 2: she's going to keep an eye on it.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to keep an eye on it too.

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01:13:07,479 --> 01:13:09,360
Speaker 2: And I know I sound like a broken record, but

1310
01:13:10,760 --> 01:13:14,559
Speaker 2: parents raising teenagers have enough on their plate to worry about.

1311
01:13:14,600 --> 01:13:17,240
Speaker 2: And then now you know, you got to make sure

1312
01:13:17,280 --> 01:13:19,680
Speaker 2: they're not getting on things that they're not supposed to.

1313
01:13:19,880 --> 01:13:23,720
Speaker 2: And there's so much peer pressure, as everyone knows uh

1314
01:13:24,000 --> 01:13:27,200
Speaker 2: with these kind of things. So anyway, we shall see

1315
01:13:27,200 --> 01:13:28,920
Speaker 2: what happens. Hey, we have to take a break. But

1316
01:13:29,040 --> 01:13:30,680
Speaker 2: when we get back, we are going to talk to

1317
01:13:31,479 --> 01:13:33,639
Speaker 2: former Vice mayor and share of the Law and Public

1318
01:13:33,680 --> 01:13:38,160
Speaker 2: Safety Committee, Christopher Smitheman. Some crazy stuff going on in

1319
01:13:38,240 --> 01:13:39,800
Speaker 2: the city. I want to ask him about and we'll

1320
01:13:39,800 --> 01:13:42,280
Speaker 2: do that when we get back. Mike Allen in for

1321
01:13:42,479 --> 01:13:44,920
Speaker 2: Willy's seven hundred WLW, I.

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Speaker 17: Am willing to admit the war as a confist much

1323
01:13:48,040 --> 01:13:51,679
Speaker 17: in the progress from the world. I'm willing to admit

1324
01:13:52,240 --> 01:13:54,800
Speaker 17: that there are certain prices in the forward mark of

1325
01:13:54,880 --> 01:13:58,519
Speaker 17: fitting civilizacon that perhaps could not have been meant in

1326
01:13:58,640 --> 01:14:01,880
Speaker 17: any other way than by the time I'm willing to

1327
01:14:02,000 --> 01:14:06,320
Speaker 17: admit that war developed burden heroic traits in man and

1328
01:14:06,479 --> 01:14:09,240
Speaker 17: furnishes the test for the evidence of the highest garage.

1329
01:14:09,280 --> 01:14:13,960
Speaker 17: Then perhaps two. It trains and disciplines people. But the

1330
01:14:14,040 --> 01:14:17,639
Speaker 17: other side of the picture justifies the prayer of every man,

1331
01:14:17,800 --> 01:14:21,120
Speaker 17: of every civilized man, that war should be a body.

1332
01:14:29,560 --> 01:14:32,120
Speaker 2: Hey, we're back, We're back, Mike Allen in for the

1333
01:14:32,240 --> 01:14:36,280
Speaker 2: great American. That voice that you just heard was none

1334
01:14:36,320 --> 01:14:41,280
Speaker 2: other than Cincinnati's own William Howard taft boy. Now he's

1335
01:14:41,320 --> 01:14:45,320
Speaker 2: got an interesting background, kind of funny I get. And

1336
01:14:45,360 --> 01:14:49,120
Speaker 2: there's pictures of it somewhere where he was pretty how

1337
01:14:49,200 --> 01:14:52,280
Speaker 2: shall I say, corpulent if you will. He had to

1338
01:14:52,360 --> 01:14:54,800
Speaker 2: get a special bathtub for him because the one that

1339
01:14:54,960 --> 01:14:58,200
Speaker 2: was there didn't work. But a hell of a public servant,

1340
01:14:58,320 --> 01:15:02,320
Speaker 2: he's the only one. After he left the presidency, I

1341
01:15:02,360 --> 01:15:05,360
Speaker 2: think it was in the early twenties, he became the

1342
01:15:05,760 --> 01:15:10,640
Speaker 2: United States Supreme Court Chief Justice, and I think he

1343
01:15:10,760 --> 01:15:13,559
Speaker 2: stayed there for I don't know, maybe fifteen twenty years

1344
01:15:13,600 --> 01:15:17,000
Speaker 2: and nine years, Thank you, Dave. He died in office

1345
01:15:17,360 --> 01:15:21,120
Speaker 2: as Supreme Court Chief Justice. He also has affiliated with

1346
01:15:21,880 --> 01:15:26,000
Speaker 2: the UC Law school for a long time. So anyway, Dave,

1347
01:15:26,120 --> 01:15:28,600
Speaker 2: thank you so much for getting that idea to do that.

1348
01:15:28,760 --> 01:15:32,599
Speaker 2: It's very very interesting. Anyway, let's get going here. Hey,

1349
01:15:33,200 --> 01:15:36,920
Speaker 2: the City of Cincinnati is finding new ways for people

1350
01:15:37,000 --> 01:15:39,120
Speaker 2: to commit crime. And here to talk about that and

1351
01:15:39,520 --> 01:15:42,600
Speaker 2: all kinds of other things is former Vice Mayor and

1352
01:15:42,840 --> 01:15:45,880
Speaker 2: Chair of the Law and Public Safety Committee, Christopher Smith.

1353
01:15:45,960 --> 01:15:48,599
Speaker 1: And Christopher, thanks so much for calling in on your holiday.

1354
01:15:49,880 --> 01:15:53,360
Speaker 9: Hey, thanks Mike for having me on. And you know,

1355
01:15:53,479 --> 01:15:55,680
Speaker 9: there is so much going on, but you know, the

1356
01:15:55,760 --> 01:15:58,439
Speaker 9: bus stops at the top, which is here in our

1357
01:15:58,479 --> 01:16:02,320
Speaker 9: city as a strong mayor and nine members of council.

1358
01:16:03,280 --> 01:16:07,799
Speaker 9: And you know, I worked with Chief EG for ten years.

1359
01:16:08,560 --> 01:16:13,880
Speaker 9: So she's somebody that I know will the ultimate professional.

1360
01:16:15,520 --> 01:16:20,200
Speaker 9: You know, rose through the ranks, served thirty five years.

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01:16:20,720 --> 01:16:23,240
Speaker 9: Nothing is in her file. I knew there was nothing

1362
01:16:23,320 --> 01:16:26,519
Speaker 9: in her file when they fired her, right, I mean,

1363
01:16:27,640 --> 01:16:29,960
Speaker 9: to your listening audience, I just want to reiterate I

1364
01:16:30,400 --> 01:16:33,280
Speaker 9: served as Chair of Law and Public Safety. I was

1365
01:16:33,360 --> 01:16:36,920
Speaker 9: the vice mayor of the City of Cincinnati, and I

1366
01:16:37,160 --> 01:16:41,280
Speaker 9: served directly with Chief EG. She wasn't the chief the

1367
01:16:41,479 --> 01:16:43,840
Speaker 9: entire time, but I served with her when she was

1368
01:16:43,880 --> 01:16:46,960
Speaker 9: a colonel all the way up through the ranks where

1369
01:16:47,040 --> 01:16:47,759
Speaker 9: she was the chief.

1370
01:16:47,880 --> 01:16:48,160
Speaker 6: And so.

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01:16:50,840 --> 01:16:53,040
Speaker 9: It's not when I say this, I don't want anyone

1372
01:16:53,120 --> 01:16:56,400
Speaker 9: to feel like this is some disclaimer. You know, people

1373
01:16:56,479 --> 01:16:59,679
Speaker 9: listening to me, you don't always agree with me. It's

1374
01:16:59,760 --> 01:17:03,200
Speaker 9: not like, you know, I didn't always agree with every

1375
01:17:03,320 --> 01:17:07,840
Speaker 9: decision the police department or the chief made, but I

1376
01:17:08,080 --> 01:17:12,600
Speaker 9: always knew that their hearts in the administration within the

1377
01:17:12,720 --> 01:17:16,439
Speaker 9: right place. You know, there are times where professionals have

1378
01:17:17,000 --> 01:17:20,800
Speaker 9: nuances that didn't make her a bad chief, that didn't

1379
01:17:20,840 --> 01:17:24,839
Speaker 9: make her a bad colonel. The Neville family has served

1380
01:17:25,000 --> 01:17:29,240
Speaker 9: our city and our county and our region well. I

1381
01:17:29,400 --> 01:17:32,439
Speaker 9: think what has happened to her is really really bad,

1382
01:17:32,560 --> 01:17:34,640
Speaker 9: Mike Allen. And at the end of the day, the

1383
01:17:34,760 --> 01:17:37,479
Speaker 9: taxpayers are going to pay a lot of money. They're

1384
01:17:37,479 --> 01:17:41,040
Speaker 9: already paying for her to full time to be at

1385
01:17:41,080 --> 01:17:44,200
Speaker 9: home while we're paying an interim chief. But we're going

1386
01:17:44,280 --> 01:17:46,840
Speaker 9: to have to give her a night sum of money

1387
01:17:47,000 --> 01:17:51,559
Speaker 9: outside of her drop dollars for the pain and suffering

1388
01:17:51,840 --> 01:17:55,400
Speaker 9: we have bestowed upon her per the administration.

1389
01:17:55,720 --> 01:17:58,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're going to have to back that brinstruck up

1390
01:17:58,040 --> 01:17:59,880
Speaker 2: the city Hall for that one. I mean, she's got

1391
01:17:59,920 --> 01:18:02,599
Speaker 2: the best law firm in the city, the finny firm,

1392
01:18:02,920 --> 01:18:06,400
Speaker 2: the best labor lawyer in this town with Steve m

1393
01:18:06,960 --> 01:18:09,720
Speaker 2: And yeah, it's going to be interesting to see that

1394
01:18:10,720 --> 01:18:11,920
Speaker 2: award when it comes.

1395
01:18:12,120 --> 01:18:12,240
Speaker 1: Now.

1396
01:18:12,280 --> 01:18:14,160
Speaker 2: I hope it doesn't. I hope they're smart enough to

1397
01:18:14,200 --> 01:18:17,280
Speaker 2: give her the job back. But I guess we shall see. Hey,

1398
01:18:17,680 --> 01:18:19,920
Speaker 2: the thing I was talking about going into this thing, Christopher,

1399
01:18:20,000 --> 01:18:22,680
Speaker 2: and I just heard this in passing or actually saw

1400
01:18:22,760 --> 01:18:26,040
Speaker 2: it in passing in the Inquirer. A little bit earlier

1401
01:18:26,080 --> 01:18:28,759
Speaker 2: in the afternoon, a twenty eight year old man accused

1402
01:18:28,800 --> 01:18:32,439
Speaker 2: of shooting and killing a fellow party bus passenger in

1403
01:18:32,560 --> 01:18:38,080
Speaker 2: downtown Cincinnati also shot the bus driver while trying to disembark,

1404
01:18:38,840 --> 01:18:42,040
Speaker 2: you know. And the other thing, I don't see it here,

1405
01:18:42,120 --> 01:18:46,479
Speaker 2: but I did hear that shootings are up forty percent

1406
01:18:46,680 --> 01:18:49,280
Speaker 2: from this time last year, So it seems like we

1407
01:18:49,400 --> 01:18:52,000
Speaker 2: had a little bit of a break from it. But man,

1408
01:18:52,240 --> 01:18:55,040
Speaker 2: I mean, when you start shooting people on party buses,

1409
01:18:55,600 --> 01:18:56,400
Speaker 2: that's a problem.

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01:18:58,000 --> 01:19:01,920
Speaker 9: It is. And you know, remember, you know we are

1411
01:19:02,000 --> 01:19:05,639
Speaker 9: in the winter. This is winter time. You're supposed typically

1412
01:19:05,760 --> 01:19:08,720
Speaker 9: you have a real downtick with violence. We had a

1413
01:19:09,240 --> 01:19:12,160
Speaker 9: what would be considered a mass shooting in Cincinnati at

1414
01:19:12,280 --> 01:19:17,160
Speaker 9: the Northside yesterday where four people two were killed I think,

1415
01:19:17,200 --> 01:19:20,200
Speaker 9: and two were injured. So that's considered a mass shooting

1416
01:19:20,280 --> 01:19:24,000
Speaker 9: by the FBI. So violence is picking higher, and I

1417
01:19:24,200 --> 01:19:28,120
Speaker 9: believe that it definitely falls directly with the mayor and

1418
01:19:28,479 --> 01:19:32,040
Speaker 9: the nine members of council because they're not allowing our

1419
01:19:32,080 --> 01:19:36,040
Speaker 9: police department, Mike Allen to do proactive police yep. And

1420
01:19:36,160 --> 01:19:39,840
Speaker 9: so you know they're fighting. If you can imagine the

1421
01:19:40,439 --> 01:19:45,080
Speaker 9: rank and file seeing how Chief Fiji was treated. Now

1422
01:19:45,160 --> 01:19:48,439
Speaker 9: we've got an introm chief and we don't have, in

1423
01:19:48,560 --> 01:19:54,040
Speaker 9: my opinion, clarity around proactive policing. And so officers are

1424
01:19:54,080 --> 01:19:57,160
Speaker 9: people that are trying to figure out what the rules

1425
01:19:57,200 --> 01:20:00,640
Speaker 9: of engagement are. That they stopped the car, Should they

1426
01:20:00,680 --> 01:20:03,640
Speaker 9: stop the person walking who looks like they're fourteen or

1427
01:20:03,680 --> 01:20:07,320
Speaker 9: thirteen down on the banks in our Drara at night?

1428
01:20:07,720 --> 01:20:11,960
Speaker 9: Should they stop and ask questions. They're always concerned because

1429
01:20:11,960 --> 01:20:14,040
Speaker 9: they know that they run into one of these teenagers

1430
01:20:14,520 --> 01:20:18,360
Speaker 9: thirteen or fourteen years old who happens to be African American.

1431
01:20:18,920 --> 01:20:22,799
Speaker 9: They're a white male, they're downtown, and they have that interaction.

1432
01:20:23,120 --> 01:20:26,879
Speaker 9: They know that the possibility of their career or their family,

1433
01:20:27,040 --> 01:20:31,200
Speaker 9: ye or the tire police department being under absolutely attack,

1434
01:20:31,840 --> 01:20:35,040
Speaker 9: and so we've got to change this anti cop, defund

1435
01:20:35,080 --> 01:20:39,040
Speaker 9: the police, reimagine the police attitude. It takes elections to

1436
01:20:39,120 --> 01:20:41,760
Speaker 9: do that. We just came out of one. Clearly, the

1437
01:20:41,840 --> 01:20:44,400
Speaker 9: fifty two neighborhood said yeah, this is the direction we

1438
01:20:44,479 --> 01:20:46,400
Speaker 9: want to go in. I think it's going to be

1439
01:20:46,439 --> 01:20:47,559
Speaker 9: a very violent summer.

1440
01:20:47,960 --> 01:20:50,320
Speaker 1: And it's very, very sad to me, it really is.

1441
01:20:50,840 --> 01:20:51,800
Speaker 1: I got to ask you this.

1442
01:20:52,000 --> 01:20:54,679
Speaker 2: You and I have talked odd nauseum, if you will,

1443
01:20:54,760 --> 01:20:57,559
Speaker 2: for the last three or four years about the City

1444
01:20:57,600 --> 01:21:03,320
Speaker 2: of Cincinnati, specifically consul getting involved in issues that don't

1445
01:21:03,479 --> 01:21:06,960
Speaker 2: have a darn thing to do with the City of Cincinnati.

1446
01:21:07,640 --> 01:21:10,240
Speaker 2: This thing, it kind of slid by Christopher. I just

1447
01:21:10,360 --> 01:21:14,040
Speaker 2: kind of saw it by accident on Fox nineteen's website.

1448
01:21:14,760 --> 01:21:17,240
Speaker 2: Brand new council member Ryan James, who I don't know,

1449
01:21:17,320 --> 01:21:19,280
Speaker 2: but from everything I've heard, he's a fine young man.

1450
01:21:19,840 --> 01:21:24,640
Speaker 2: He introduced a motion intended to protect immigrant and refugee

1451
01:21:24,920 --> 01:21:30,559
Speaker 2: residents from US Immigration Customers Enforcement ICE surveillance. Long toy

1452
01:21:31,000 --> 01:21:34,800
Speaker 2: story short, Christopher. He wants to conduct a ninety day

1453
01:21:34,920 --> 01:21:39,120
Speaker 2: audit that would require the city administration to identify where

1454
01:21:39,240 --> 01:21:43,080
Speaker 2: citizenship or naturalization data is currently collected.

1455
01:21:43,360 --> 01:21:46,240
Speaker 1: Why remove immigration data?

1456
01:21:46,920 --> 01:21:50,919
Speaker 2: He wants to mandate the removal of questions regarding immigration

1457
01:21:51,120 --> 01:21:55,479
Speaker 2: status from city owned and operated programs. One more limit

1458
01:21:55,600 --> 01:21:59,600
Speaker 2: surveillance restrict the city's collection or holding of personal information

1459
01:22:00,360 --> 01:22:04,120
Speaker 2: that could potentially aid ice in targeting. And in his

1460
01:22:04,280 --> 01:22:09,000
Speaker 2: motion he used this term quite a bit residents translated

1461
01:22:09,760 --> 01:22:13,760
Speaker 2: illegal immigrants because he'd be talking about citizens. But I

1462
01:22:13,840 --> 01:22:17,519
Speaker 2: guess that's just a long way of asking you your

1463
01:22:17,600 --> 01:22:21,080
Speaker 2: thoughts on this, and I just wonder you would know

1464
01:22:21,200 --> 01:22:23,439
Speaker 2: the answer to this. Can they find out how much

1465
01:22:23,520 --> 01:22:25,920
Speaker 2: something like this is going to cost the taxpayers?

1466
01:22:27,360 --> 01:22:31,120
Speaker 9: They sure can, but most likely it's probably illegal, and

1467
01:22:31,280 --> 01:22:34,120
Speaker 9: probably a taxpayer will file a lawsuit against the city.

1468
01:22:34,680 --> 01:22:36,280
Speaker 9: You know, one of the things you'll find about this

1469
01:22:36,439 --> 01:22:40,040
Speaker 9: council is they tend to go way beyond their schemes. Well,

1470
01:22:40,040 --> 01:22:42,759
Speaker 9: it's talking about the federal government. You are a member

1471
01:22:43,000 --> 01:22:47,560
Speaker 9: of council, city council. The federal government is above you,

1472
01:22:47,840 --> 01:22:51,960
Speaker 9: they supersede you. So like these cities around and Cincinnati

1473
01:22:52,080 --> 01:22:56,080
Speaker 9: is one of them that classifies itself as a sanctuary city,

1474
01:22:56,560 --> 01:22:59,120
Speaker 9: they're going to find themselves in a position where they're

1475
01:22:59,160 --> 01:23:03,280
Speaker 9: federal fundings to be pulled. They do not understand that

1476
01:23:03,360 --> 01:23:06,960
Speaker 9: this administration is a very low tolerance level for this

1477
01:23:07,240 --> 01:23:10,400
Speaker 9: kind of behavior. So I just want to remind every

1478
01:23:10,439 --> 01:23:14,080
Speaker 9: member of city council and the mayor. You are a

1479
01:23:14,320 --> 01:23:18,519
Speaker 9: city in a state that at a very high level

1480
01:23:19,520 --> 01:23:22,280
Speaker 9: reports to the federal government. Now you might be a

1481
01:23:22,400 --> 01:23:26,639
Speaker 9: separate government, but you depend on millions of federal dollars

1482
01:23:26,720 --> 01:23:30,920
Speaker 9: that are pouring in here, whether it's to for infrastructure,

1483
01:23:31,640 --> 01:23:35,360
Speaker 9: whether it is for police and fire, for recruit classes,

1484
01:23:35,640 --> 01:23:41,160
Speaker 9: or whether it is for some type of program or initiative,

1485
01:23:41,320 --> 01:23:43,720
Speaker 9: or some housing project they want to do, or if

1486
01:23:43,760 --> 01:23:46,520
Speaker 9: it's for the street car. They're going to put themselves

1487
01:23:46,600 --> 01:23:49,240
Speaker 9: in a terrible position with the federal government every time

1488
01:23:49,280 --> 01:23:52,760
Speaker 9: they push these things. Your point was they tend to

1489
01:23:52,800 --> 01:23:56,280
Speaker 9: stick their nose into things that's not their business. And

1490
01:23:56,400 --> 01:24:01,080
Speaker 9: you are right. Remember they passed resolutions on Israel, and

1491
01:24:02,960 --> 01:24:06,000
Speaker 9: so they passed resolutions on the war, and you know

1492
01:24:06,080 --> 01:24:09,679
Speaker 9: related to Israel Hermosra, they're passing resolutions I think too

1493
01:24:09,920 --> 01:24:14,880
Speaker 9: already this year surrounding Ice. Here's what I want to

1494
01:24:14,920 --> 01:24:18,560
Speaker 9: be clear about. Not only do I support Ice and

1495
01:24:18,680 --> 01:24:21,920
Speaker 9: our federal agents that do hard work. But I support

1496
01:24:22,000 --> 01:24:26,799
Speaker 9: them removing the criminals, the pedophiles, people who have broken

1497
01:24:26,840 --> 01:24:31,280
Speaker 9: our laws, the rapist. Meaning what the administration is targeting

1498
01:24:31,400 --> 01:24:33,479
Speaker 9: is the worst of the worst. It's not like they're

1499
01:24:33,560 --> 01:24:37,280
Speaker 9: trying to put to deport Dreamers. I don't support that.

1500
01:24:37,880 --> 01:24:41,360
Speaker 9: You know, we obviously need a very a very serious

1501
01:24:41,439 --> 01:24:46,160
Speaker 9: look at our laws related to immigration. I don't support

1502
01:24:46,760 --> 01:24:50,719
Speaker 9: a child who was born here and is a Dreamer,

1503
01:24:50,880 --> 01:24:53,840
Speaker 9: has lived here twenty or thirty years deporting them out

1504
01:24:53,880 --> 01:24:56,240
Speaker 9: of the United States of America. But that's not what

1505
01:24:56,360 --> 01:24:59,920
Speaker 9: we're focused on. We're focused on gang members who've come

1506
01:25:00,120 --> 01:25:04,120
Speaker 9: across the border illegally in jumped the line, and we

1507
01:25:04,240 --> 01:25:07,560
Speaker 9: have enough time and attention. We only have so many resources.

1508
01:25:07,640 --> 01:25:10,479
Speaker 9: Mike Allen that we're focused on the worst of the worst,

1509
01:25:10,560 --> 01:25:13,880
Speaker 9: those who are in jail that sanctuary cities will not

1510
01:25:14,040 --> 01:25:16,920
Speaker 9: tell ICE. We've got a person who is raped a child.

1511
01:25:17,040 --> 01:25:20,080
Speaker 9: They're in jail, they're being held, and the judges aren't

1512
01:25:20,120 --> 01:25:22,880
Speaker 9: even communicating with ICE that that person is being held,

1513
01:25:23,120 --> 01:25:25,040
Speaker 9: so we can deport them out of the United States

1514
01:25:25,080 --> 01:25:27,719
Speaker 9: of America. So I don't know what this council member

1515
01:25:27,840 --> 01:25:30,600
Speaker 9: is talking about, but it sounds like he has a

1516
01:25:30,840 --> 01:25:35,200
Speaker 9: very serious interest in protecting criminals who have done some

1517
01:25:35,400 --> 01:25:38,400
Speaker 9: of the worst of the worst to American citizens.

1518
01:25:38,720 --> 01:25:40,400
Speaker 2: Well, i'll tell you what. I'm going to read one

1519
01:25:40,439 --> 01:25:41,840
Speaker 2: more part of this and I'll get off of it.

1520
01:25:41,880 --> 01:25:43,760
Speaker 2: But I'm going to tell you right now, I'm going

1521
01:25:43,840 --> 01:25:46,839
Speaker 2: to follow this and I don't live in the city anymore.

1522
01:25:47,439 --> 01:25:50,360
Speaker 2: I don't work in the city anymore. But somebody's got

1523
01:25:50,439 --> 01:25:53,080
Speaker 2: to find out how much this is going to cost. Anyway,

1524
01:25:53,400 --> 01:25:57,120
Speaker 2: here's the quote from the new council member. The goal

1525
01:25:57,400 --> 01:26:00,800
Speaker 2: is to evaluate whether the city is collect information that

1526
01:26:01,040 --> 01:26:03,880
Speaker 2: isn't necessary to deliver services.

1527
01:26:04,320 --> 01:26:04,920
Speaker 1: I don't get that.

1528
01:26:05,439 --> 01:26:07,960
Speaker 2: If we are collecting data we don't need, then we

1529
01:26:08,040 --> 01:26:13,160
Speaker 2: should ask why The review process ensures that we maintain compliance,

1530
01:26:13,240 --> 01:26:17,519
Speaker 2: but reconsider any unnecessary data that poses a threat to

1531
01:26:17,960 --> 01:26:25,480
Speaker 2: our residents read our illegal immigrants. What about the citizens

1532
01:26:26,040 --> 01:26:28,960
Speaker 2: of the city of Cincinnati who elected you. It just

1533
01:26:29,240 --> 01:26:31,240
Speaker 2: to me, Christopher, and I'll get off of it. It's

1534
01:26:31,439 --> 01:26:34,040
Speaker 2: mind boggling. But again, I'm going to keep an eye

1535
01:26:34,080 --> 01:26:36,000
Speaker 2: on it, and I know you will too. I want

1536
01:26:36,040 --> 01:26:38,160
Speaker 2: to know how much it costs. It's just a darn

1537
01:26:38,240 --> 01:26:41,760
Speaker 2: shame we don't have a Christopher Smithman or a Liz

1538
01:26:41,840 --> 01:26:45,160
Speaker 2: Keating or a dondreehouse down there that can keep an

1539
01:26:45,160 --> 01:26:47,120
Speaker 2: eye on this stuff. So you know, it's up to

1540
01:26:47,200 --> 01:26:49,280
Speaker 2: the public to do it. But I'll get off it.

1541
01:26:49,439 --> 01:26:51,960
Speaker 1: But I don't know. It's just to me, it's crazy.

1542
01:26:52,200 --> 01:26:55,200
Speaker 9: I think. I think Mike is tied right into your

1543
01:26:55,280 --> 01:26:59,160
Speaker 9: subject is tied right into you know, this conversation they're having,

1544
01:26:59,200 --> 01:27:01,680
Speaker 9: which is passed that we would like you to have

1545
01:27:01,840 --> 01:27:06,320
Speaker 9: identification if you're voting in our elections. I have a

1546
01:27:06,439 --> 01:27:10,960
Speaker 9: zero problem with that. The super majority of African Americans, Latinos,

1547
01:27:11,800 --> 01:27:17,680
Speaker 9: Jewish people, Indian Americans, White Americans, poor and rich have

1548
01:27:17,920 --> 01:27:20,600
Speaker 9: zero problems. I mean, we're saying this is polling, like

1549
01:27:21,320 --> 01:27:28,120
Speaker 9: seventy five eighty percent of Americans support having identification when

1550
01:27:28,160 --> 01:27:32,440
Speaker 9: you're participating in our elections. So why are the Democrats

1551
01:27:32,520 --> 01:27:34,960
Speaker 9: pushing this? It is clear that they are interested in

1552
01:27:35,040 --> 01:27:39,800
Speaker 9: people participating illegally in our elections. So in order for

1553
01:27:39,920 --> 01:27:42,880
Speaker 9: me to buy a beer, I need an ID. If

1554
01:27:42,920 --> 01:27:45,560
Speaker 9: I was a smoker, I need an ID. If I

1555
01:27:45,600 --> 01:27:48,280
Speaker 9: want to get in any federal building, I need an ID.

1556
01:27:49,520 --> 01:27:50,800
Speaker 11: You know this.

1557
01:27:51,080 --> 01:27:53,000
Speaker 9: If I want to fly on a plane, I need

1558
01:27:53,040 --> 01:27:54,920
Speaker 9: an ID. If I want to travel, I need a

1559
01:27:55,000 --> 01:27:59,920
Speaker 9: photo ID. This notion that African Americans and poor white

1560
01:28:00,120 --> 01:28:03,720
Speaker 9: Americans do not have state ideas and do not have

1561
01:28:04,000 --> 01:28:09,000
Speaker 9: driver's licenses is incredibly racist to me, and I mean

1562
01:28:09,040 --> 01:28:11,520
Speaker 9: that I say that in the strongest It is insulting,

1563
01:28:11,600 --> 01:28:15,599
Speaker 9: but it's also racist, this notion that African Americans don't

1564
01:28:15,680 --> 01:28:18,840
Speaker 9: have their act together, and that we're walking around as

1565
01:28:18,880 --> 01:28:24,120
Speaker 9: Americans without driver's license and state identifications. We can't apply

1566
01:28:24,240 --> 01:28:27,639
Speaker 9: for jobs, and we can't function in the United States

1567
01:28:28,000 --> 01:28:30,680
Speaker 9: without having some identification. And I want to close by

1568
01:28:30,760 --> 01:28:33,840
Speaker 9: saying I want to remind everybody during Black History Month

1569
01:28:34,240 --> 01:28:39,000
Speaker 9: that the Emancipation Proclamation was signed into law by Lincoln,

1570
01:28:39,120 --> 01:28:42,600
Speaker 9: President Lincoln, who was a Republican. It was then codified

1571
01:28:42,800 --> 01:28:46,559
Speaker 9: by the Thirteenth Amendment, which was overwhelmingly voted for by

1572
01:28:46,640 --> 01:28:51,240
Speaker 9: Republicans and rejected by Democrats. And that the poll taxes

1573
01:28:51,280 --> 01:28:54,120
Speaker 9: that we talk about, that the Jim Crow laws of

1574
01:28:54,200 --> 01:28:57,720
Speaker 9: the South, those people, that was all brought to us

1575
01:28:57,840 --> 01:29:02,160
Speaker 9: Mike Allen by the Democrat Party. So to hear Senator

1576
01:29:02,200 --> 01:29:05,479
Speaker 9: Schumer talking about poll taxes and Jim Crow as it

1577
01:29:05,560 --> 01:29:09,280
Speaker 9: relates to photo identification, I want to remind everybody it

1578
01:29:09,520 --> 01:29:13,360
Speaker 9: was his meaning Senator Schumer's. It was his political party

1579
01:29:13,760 --> 01:29:17,639
Speaker 9: that spent the fifties and the sixties putting forth these

1580
01:29:17,800 --> 01:29:20,719
Speaker 9: kinds of laws, meaning poll taxes and Jim Crow laws

1581
01:29:21,160 --> 01:29:24,080
Speaker 9: trying to stop African Americans from voting. It was not

1582
01:29:24,280 --> 01:29:25,360
Speaker 9: the Republican Party.

1583
01:29:25,520 --> 01:29:27,640
Speaker 1: You're absolutely right, and that's a very good point. And

1584
01:29:28,120 --> 01:29:28,920
Speaker 1: let me end on this.

1585
01:29:29,520 --> 01:29:34,880
Speaker 2: The left once ICE agents to provide identification, but they

1586
01:29:34,920 --> 01:29:38,680
Speaker 2: don't want voters to provide it any identical you know.

1587
01:29:39,200 --> 01:29:41,080
Speaker 1: Go figure that one out.

1588
01:29:41,160 --> 01:29:43,720
Speaker 2: But hey, listen, I appreciate you taking time out of

1589
01:29:43,760 --> 01:29:45,400
Speaker 2: your holiday, Christopher to talk to us.

1590
01:29:46,040 --> 01:29:48,240
Speaker 9: Hey, Mike, thank you so much. I want to encourage

1591
01:29:48,280 --> 01:29:52,559
Speaker 9: people to follow me on x at Vote Smitherman. It's

1592
01:29:52,560 --> 01:29:55,519
Speaker 9: a great way for us to continue to communicate after

1593
01:29:55,640 --> 01:29:58,160
Speaker 9: this interview. Thank you Mike Allen for having me on Brother.

1594
01:29:58,280 --> 01:30:03,280
Speaker 2: Okay, thanks Christopher, Okay, all right, Christopher Smithman on Target

1595
01:30:03,520 --> 01:30:06,479
Speaker 2: as usual. But yeah, I mean, all you hear out

1596
01:30:06,520 --> 01:30:08,760
Speaker 2: of the left is all these ICE agents have to

1597
01:30:08,840 --> 01:30:13,160
Speaker 2: identify themselves but somebody and it's the reason they don't.

1598
01:30:13,240 --> 01:30:16,000
Speaker 2: We've been over this forever and the left could not

1599
01:30:16,200 --> 01:30:17,760
Speaker 2: give a tanker's damn about it.

1600
01:30:18,280 --> 01:30:21,200
Speaker 1: Officer safety. I saw home in this morning.

1601
01:30:21,280 --> 01:30:25,479
Speaker 2: I think he said that assaults on these ice agents

1602
01:30:25,560 --> 01:30:28,439
Speaker 2: are up like eight thousand percent. They want to go

1603
01:30:28,600 --> 01:30:31,360
Speaker 2: home to their wife and kids at night, but they

1604
01:30:31,479 --> 01:30:34,760
Speaker 2: have to id themselves when they don't. It's because of

1605
01:30:34,840 --> 01:30:39,840
Speaker 2: officer safety. But we can't have a voter produce an

1606
01:30:39,880 --> 01:30:43,040
Speaker 2: idea go fit. It's the hypocrisy of the left. But

1607
01:30:43,240 --> 01:30:45,640
Speaker 2: the problem is I don't think enough people get it.

1608
01:30:45,920 --> 01:30:48,320
Speaker 2: Hopefully they will sometime. Hey, we got to take a break.

1609
01:30:48,360 --> 01:30:50,360
Speaker 2: Butt when we get back, we are going to have

1610
01:30:51,800 --> 01:30:55,960
Speaker 2: an early early REDS report from David Armbrewster. I don't

1611
01:30:56,000 --> 01:31:00,800
Speaker 2: know if he's down in air. Okay, he's not left yet,

1612
01:31:00,880 --> 01:31:03,600
Speaker 2: but he's headed there. And from I've been there a

1613
01:31:03,640 --> 01:31:04,160
Speaker 2: couple of years.

1614
01:31:04,280 --> 01:31:06,320
Speaker 1: I went there. It was really a great complex.

1615
01:31:06,400 --> 01:31:08,760
Speaker 2: But hey, we're gonna talk to you about how the

1616
01:31:08,920 --> 01:31:10,920
Speaker 2: Edge did in the off season, and I think they

1617
01:31:10,960 --> 01:31:11,880
Speaker 2: did pretty darn good.

1618
01:31:11,920 --> 01:31:14,639
Speaker 1: We'll talk to IDDI when we get back. Mike Allen

1619
01:31:15,400 --> 01:31:16,960
Speaker 1: seven wlw.

1620
01:31:17,520 --> 01:31:18,160
Speaker 5: This at all.

1621
01:31:19,320 --> 01:31:24,280
Speaker 9: Let me upshurt my FIRMILI let me onlyst thing we

1622
01:31:24,640 --> 01:31:26,360
Speaker 9: have to filion.

1623
01:31:27,400 --> 01:31:28,240
Speaker 14: Fit So.

1624
01:31:30,000 --> 01:31:31,560
Speaker 11: And so, my fellow.

1625
01:31:31,280 --> 01:31:36,840
Speaker 2: Americans, ask not what your country can do for you,

1626
01:31:37,920 --> 01:31:39,719
Speaker 2: ask what you can do for your.

1627
01:31:39,720 --> 01:31:50,600
Speaker 18: Country, Mister Gorbachoff teared down this wall, read my lips.

1628
01:31:50,880 --> 01:31:53,400
Speaker 1: No new axes.

1629
01:31:54,439 --> 01:31:56,800
Speaker 19: The search is underway for those who are behind these

1630
01:31:56,880 --> 01:32:01,080
Speaker 19: evil acts. I've directed the full resource of our intelligence

1631
01:32:01,120 --> 01:32:05,600
Speaker 19: and law enforcement communities to find those responsible and to

1632
01:32:05,680 --> 01:32:10,479
Speaker 19: bring them to justice. We will make no distinction between

1633
01:32:10,520 --> 01:32:14,439
Speaker 19: the terrorists who committed these acts and those who harbor them.

1634
01:32:15,360 --> 01:32:17,920
Speaker 20: America is a nation that can be defined in a

1635
01:32:18,040 --> 01:32:21,479
Speaker 20: single word. I was gonna put him put.

1636
01:32:22,600 --> 01:32:26,120
Speaker 3: We basically have two countries that have been fighting so

1637
01:32:26,320 --> 01:32:29,720
Speaker 3: long and so hard that they don't know what they're doing.

1638
01:32:29,800 --> 01:32:30,600
Speaker 3: Do you understand that.

1639
01:32:33,320 --> 01:32:37,760
Speaker 1: Half half that man? Pretty good? Dave, thank you so much.

1640
01:32:38,920 --> 01:32:44,439
Speaker 2: In the ascending Order, Descending Order FDR JFK, ask not

1641
01:32:44,560 --> 01:32:46,760
Speaker 2: what your country can do for you, Ask what you

1642
01:32:46,920 --> 01:32:48,200
Speaker 2: can do for your country.

1643
01:32:48,280 --> 01:32:48,439
Speaker 1: Now.

1644
01:32:49,040 --> 01:32:53,680
Speaker 2: Whenever I hear that now, I think, I mean, you

1645
01:32:53,880 --> 01:32:57,040
Speaker 2: probably couldn't even say that now, because it's all give me,

1646
01:32:57,240 --> 01:33:00,680
Speaker 2: give me, give me. Ask not what your country can

1647
01:33:00,760 --> 01:33:04,759
Speaker 2: do for you, Ask what you can do for your country.

1648
01:33:06,160 --> 01:33:09,639
Speaker 2: Very very wise words, but I'm afraid they're out of date,

1649
01:33:09,680 --> 01:33:12,639
Speaker 2: and that's a damn shame. Then, the Great Ronald Reagan,

1650
01:33:13,200 --> 01:33:15,439
Speaker 2: it just doesn't get any better, and he ought to

1651
01:33:15,600 --> 01:33:20,560
Speaker 2: be on Mount Rushmore someday. George Bush, you got a

1652
01:33:20,680 --> 01:33:23,240
Speaker 2: little bit jammed up on the tax thing.

1653
01:33:23,920 --> 01:33:26,599
Speaker 1: George W. Bush. And then Biden.

1654
01:33:26,680 --> 01:33:28,519
Speaker 2: Dave, is there any way you can play that Biden

1655
01:33:28,600 --> 01:33:35,840
Speaker 2: thing again? If you can't, it's okay, okay, I mean

1656
01:33:35,880 --> 01:33:45,320
Speaker 2: it's too good, not too If we can just brings

1657
01:33:45,400 --> 01:33:48,280
Speaker 2: back some memories, you.

1658
01:33:48,360 --> 01:33:54,479
Speaker 20: Get America is a nation that can be defined in

1659
01:33:54,560 --> 01:33:55,360
Speaker 20: a single word.

1660
01:33:56,560 --> 01:34:03,840
Speaker 1: I was gonna put him, oh man, I'll tell you what.

1661
01:34:04,520 --> 01:34:08,080
Speaker 2: Hey, our buddy a C had a Kamala moment too

1662
01:34:08,240 --> 01:34:11,280
Speaker 2: over the weekend over in Europe. I'll dig that up

1663
01:34:11,360 --> 01:34:14,560
Speaker 2: for Saturday. I mean, she would she put Kamala the

1664
01:34:14,640 --> 01:34:16,960
Speaker 2: shame with this. Well, she's got no business being over

1665
01:34:17,040 --> 01:34:21,040
Speaker 2: there talking about foreign policy. She doesn't get it. But anyway,

1666
01:34:21,520 --> 01:34:23,600
Speaker 2: enough of that stuff, Dave, once again, thank you for

1667
01:34:23,680 --> 01:34:26,760
Speaker 2: that trip down memory lane. Well, I'll tell you what

1668
01:34:27,080 --> 01:34:31,719
Speaker 2: we are getting close to baseball. I mean, like opening

1669
01:34:31,800 --> 01:34:36,160
Speaker 2: day Major League Baseball, the Cactus League, the pictures and

1670
01:34:36,240 --> 01:34:39,400
Speaker 2: catchers reported. I believe last week, I think, and the

1671
01:34:39,479 --> 01:34:41,840
Speaker 2: guy that would know this is up next. I think

1672
01:34:42,439 --> 01:34:45,280
Speaker 2: the first spring training game is coming real soon. I'm

1673
01:34:45,360 --> 01:34:48,960
Speaker 2: talking about dave yitni Armbrewster. Yet are you out there

1674
01:34:49,080 --> 01:34:50,600
Speaker 2: yet out in the Arizona.

1675
01:34:51,040 --> 01:34:53,000
Speaker 3: Not yet, but I will be here in a couple

1676
01:34:53,040 --> 01:34:55,960
Speaker 3: of days and the first game will be on Saturdays.

1677
01:34:56,120 --> 01:34:59,640
Speaker 2: Okay, great, great against the Guardians. And that's tradition, isn't it.

1678
01:34:59,680 --> 01:35:02,160
Speaker 2: Because they share the complex, that is correct. And they

1679
01:35:02,280 --> 01:35:03,840
Speaker 2: used to play them a lot more. And I think

1680
01:35:03,880 --> 01:35:05,719
Speaker 2: they only play them three or four times this spring.

1681
01:35:05,800 --> 01:35:07,800
Speaker 2: But boy, when they first moved out there, they played

1682
01:35:07,800 --> 01:35:10,000
Speaker 2: them a lot. But it made sense. It's convenient. You

1683
01:35:10,120 --> 01:35:12,000
Speaker 2: just kind of get bored looking at the same team

1684
01:35:12,040 --> 01:35:12,559
Speaker 2: every night.

1685
01:35:12,720 --> 01:35:13,280
Speaker 6: Right right.

1686
01:35:13,800 --> 01:35:16,879
Speaker 2: I heard you talking with Tom this morning, Tom Brenneman,

1687
01:35:17,040 --> 01:35:20,080
Speaker 2: and I think the gist that I got you weren't

1688
01:35:20,120 --> 01:35:23,639
Speaker 2: real sure about Arizona at first, but now you really

1689
01:35:23,800 --> 01:35:23,960
Speaker 2: like it.

1690
01:35:24,120 --> 01:35:25,759
Speaker 1: Is that a fair and accurate statement?

1691
01:35:25,880 --> 01:35:28,519
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I mean it's it's I mean, Florida was great.

1692
01:35:28,760 --> 01:35:30,479
Speaker 3: For one thing about Florida is you can get there

1693
01:35:30,479 --> 01:35:33,960
Speaker 3: a lot quicker. I mean Arizona. There's a few nonstops

1694
01:35:34,040 --> 01:35:36,519
Speaker 3: to go out the Arizona, but for the most part,

1695
01:35:36,600 --> 01:35:38,320
Speaker 3: it takes you half the day to get there, if

1696
01:35:38,360 --> 01:35:42,840
Speaker 3: not more. Right, But baseball wise, Arizona has Florida beat

1697
01:35:42,960 --> 01:35:48,000
Speaker 3: because everything is fairly close. The longest trip is forty

1698
01:35:48,040 --> 01:35:50,000
Speaker 3: five minutes, maybe an hour now you do run in

1699
01:35:50,040 --> 01:35:54,519
Speaker 3: the rush hour traffic after games sometimes, but everything's together.

1700
01:35:55,000 --> 01:35:59,000
Speaker 3: Half the team share complexes, so it's really convenient. And

1701
01:35:59,360 --> 01:36:01,920
Speaker 3: it's really vina for the fans too, because you can

1702
01:36:02,000 --> 01:36:05,160
Speaker 3: go to the Red's complex or if the Guardian's complex

1703
01:36:05,240 --> 01:36:08,679
Speaker 3: if you wanted to, and you can watch batting practice,

1704
01:36:08,720 --> 01:36:11,840
Speaker 3: watch pictures throw It's all open and free. You just

1705
01:36:12,040 --> 01:36:14,920
Speaker 3: you just walk around. There's you're fenced in a little bit,

1706
01:36:15,040 --> 01:36:18,080
Speaker 3: but you can watch all the workouts. It's great for fans.

1707
01:36:18,479 --> 01:36:21,479
Speaker 2: I'll tell you what. When they were young, we took

1708
01:36:21,520 --> 01:36:25,720
Speaker 2: the kids at at least three or four times too. Sarasota.

1709
01:36:26,360 --> 01:36:28,720
Speaker 2: I love that place because it was close to where

1710
01:36:28,720 --> 01:36:31,880
Speaker 2: we stayed. But I think, as you know, a couple

1711
01:36:31,920 --> 01:36:35,240
Speaker 2: of years ago, did go out to uh to Arizona

1712
01:36:35,360 --> 01:36:37,720
Speaker 2: and that was great. That really was because you're right

1713
01:36:37,760 --> 01:36:40,760
Speaker 2: off time. The only problem is I couldn't find anybody

1714
01:36:41,080 --> 01:36:42,720
Speaker 2: to buy me a free beer out there.

1715
01:36:42,760 --> 01:36:43,400
Speaker 1: What's up with that?

1716
01:36:44,000 --> 01:36:47,599
Speaker 3: That is scary. But here's the problem. You didn't pay

1717
01:36:47,640 --> 01:36:50,160
Speaker 3: for the trip out there. I know that that was

1718
01:36:50,240 --> 01:36:53,479
Speaker 3: a gift from your son. So don't you know I

1719
01:36:53,640 --> 01:36:55,240
Speaker 3: was born at night, but not last night.

1720
01:36:55,840 --> 01:36:57,800
Speaker 1: And you got a hell of a memory too, there, boy.

1721
01:36:57,880 --> 01:37:01,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, hey, listen, you and I talk a couple saturdays ago,

1722
01:37:01,720 --> 01:37:06,040
Speaker 2: early edition of Reds Report, and I'm really.

1723
01:37:05,880 --> 01:37:08,400
Speaker 1: Optimistic, but then I always am when it comes to

1724
01:37:08,439 --> 01:37:10,960
Speaker 1: the Reds, but a sense that you are too yet.

1725
01:37:11,120 --> 01:37:13,880
Speaker 2: I mean, it sure seems like they plugged some holes

1726
01:37:13,920 --> 01:37:17,639
Speaker 2: in the off season, especially with a Huanio coming back

1727
01:37:17,720 --> 01:37:19,360
Speaker 2: with how many home runs did he hit?

1728
01:37:19,439 --> 01:37:20,200
Speaker 1: Close to fifty?

1729
01:37:20,560 --> 01:37:23,680
Speaker 3: He had forty nine last year. No, I don't expect that,

1730
01:37:24,640 --> 01:37:27,080
Speaker 3: but boy, if he hits thirty five, he's going to

1731
01:37:27,160 --> 01:37:31,800
Speaker 3: help this team tremendously. And that was up until that point.

1732
01:37:31,960 --> 01:37:35,080
Speaker 3: What they did was good, but they still needed the bat.

1733
01:37:35,200 --> 01:37:37,720
Speaker 3: That was the talk all winter, and you know, since

1734
01:37:37,840 --> 01:37:40,000
Speaker 3: since the end of October, that's what they were going

1735
01:37:40,040 --> 01:37:42,640
Speaker 3: to go after the Shorb thing didn't work out, so

1736
01:37:43,360 --> 01:37:46,519
Speaker 3: at the last minute they ponied up. And you know,

1737
01:37:46,960 --> 01:37:49,280
Speaker 3: hats off to the Castellinis for up the payroll to

1738
01:37:49,360 --> 01:37:53,599
Speaker 3: getting and he's going to help this team tremendously. Hitting

1739
01:37:53,680 --> 01:37:57,479
Speaker 3: behind Ellie is a godsend. I think I was telling

1740
01:37:57,520 --> 01:38:02,000
Speaker 3: tom Day last year, they had ten different players fourth

1741
01:38:02,200 --> 01:38:05,639
Speaker 3: and yeah, twenty two home runs between them. Sware said,

1742
01:38:05,680 --> 01:38:09,040
Speaker 3: forty nine by himself. So that's gonna I mean, it's

1743
01:38:09,080 --> 01:38:12,640
Speaker 3: just gonna see he's going to see better pitches. It's

1744
01:38:12,720 --> 01:38:14,439
Speaker 3: just going to help him in a lot of ways.

1745
01:38:14,479 --> 01:38:16,600
Speaker 3: And I think that's that's the key, because he's the

1746
01:38:16,640 --> 01:38:18,760
Speaker 3: star of this team, man. So if you can get

1747
01:38:18,800 --> 01:38:22,479
Speaker 3: somebody behind him that they don't pitch around him, they

1748
01:38:22,600 --> 01:38:24,360
Speaker 3: have to throw him strikes, You're going to see some

1749
01:38:24,479 --> 01:38:27,960
Speaker 3: damage from Ellie, especially now that he looks like he's

1750
01:38:28,040 --> 01:38:30,519
Speaker 3: healthy coming into the season, because he was dealing with

1751
01:38:30,640 --> 01:38:32,320
Speaker 3: that quad the second half of last year.

1752
01:38:32,760 --> 01:38:35,000
Speaker 2: I think I read something this week, or maybe it

1753
01:38:35,080 --> 01:38:38,479
Speaker 2: was last week where Tito was talking about Ellie and

1754
01:38:38,560 --> 01:38:40,680
Speaker 2: he said what he's looking for out of him this

1755
01:38:40,840 --> 01:38:44,719
Speaker 2: year is more consistency. And I didn't sense that Ellie

1756
01:38:44,800 --> 01:38:49,320
Speaker 2: took that in a bad way at all. Is that

1757
01:38:49,439 --> 01:38:50,400
Speaker 2: what you think as well?

1758
01:38:50,880 --> 01:38:53,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I don't think there's a bad way to

1759
01:38:53,120 --> 01:38:54,800
Speaker 3: take that. I mean that's just the way it is.

1760
01:38:54,920 --> 01:38:58,040
Speaker 3: You have you have to be more consistent both halfs

1761
01:38:58,080 --> 01:39:00,519
Speaker 3: of the season. Now, again, he was injured, so and

1762
01:39:00,640 --> 01:39:02,680
Speaker 3: nobody knew he was injured till the end of the year,

1763
01:39:03,160 --> 01:39:05,360
Speaker 3: so you know, you give him a pass on that,

1764
01:39:05,520 --> 01:39:10,280
Speaker 3: but yeah, he has to be every day more consistent

1765
01:39:10,360 --> 01:39:13,080
Speaker 3: as a player. And that goes for everybody on this team.

1766
01:39:13,160 --> 01:39:14,960
Speaker 3: The one thing about this team, Mike, if you look

1767
01:39:15,000 --> 01:39:19,960
Speaker 3: at the lineup they are, they are good if everybody

1768
01:39:20,120 --> 01:39:22,479
Speaker 3: plays just a little better. To the back of the

1769
01:39:22,560 --> 01:39:25,479
Speaker 3: baseball card, I mean, they're gonna they're gonna score some runs.

1770
01:39:25,560 --> 01:39:29,280
Speaker 3: The pitching is going to be great. But there's the

1771
01:39:29,360 --> 01:39:33,000
Speaker 3: Reds aren't alone in this unless you're the Dodgers. There's

1772
01:39:33,040 --> 01:39:35,320
Speaker 3: a little margin for air. I mean, you can't have

1773
01:39:35,520 --> 01:39:38,880
Speaker 3: guys have this terrible years and expect a team to

1774
01:39:38,920 --> 01:39:41,560
Speaker 3: win because you just you don't have the payroll. You

1775
01:39:41,600 --> 01:39:43,720
Speaker 3: don't have the money. I mean, Dodgers can field two

1776
01:39:43,800 --> 01:39:46,719
Speaker 3: teams if they wanted to, but that's not the case

1777
01:39:46,800 --> 01:39:48,840
Speaker 3: for everybody else, you know.

1778
01:39:49,120 --> 01:39:51,400
Speaker 1: I mean, that dynasty is incredible.

1779
01:39:51,439 --> 01:39:54,479
Speaker 2: I mean, I think they put the twenty seven Yankees

1780
01:39:54,520 --> 01:39:56,280
Speaker 2: and the seventy six Reds to shame.

1781
01:39:56,360 --> 01:39:57,920
Speaker 3: And you know, I will see about that.

1782
01:39:58,160 --> 01:39:59,920
Speaker 1: They're playing by the rules though, you know.

1783
01:40:00,120 --> 01:40:01,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're playing by the rules.

1784
01:40:01,439 --> 01:40:03,559
Speaker 2: And yet I read a thing not too long ago

1785
01:40:03,680 --> 01:40:07,400
Speaker 2: where some wag, I forget who it is saying that

1786
01:40:08,080 --> 01:40:13,839
Speaker 2: Rets have arguably one of the best starting rotations in baseball,

1787
01:40:14,080 --> 01:40:17,599
Speaker 2: and the search for the fifth man got a lot

1788
01:40:17,680 --> 01:40:18,479
Speaker 2: of good people too.

1789
01:40:18,560 --> 01:40:19,320
Speaker 1: Do you agree with that?

1790
01:40:19,920 --> 01:40:23,840
Speaker 3: I agree. I mean we all talked about and hey,

1791
01:40:23,920 --> 01:40:26,080
Speaker 3: I was, I was. I led the charge on that

1792
01:40:26,479 --> 01:40:29,360
Speaker 3: trade Hunter Green to get a back. Yeah, they decided

1793
01:40:29,560 --> 01:40:32,560
Speaker 3: not to do it. If Hunter Green is healthy, he

1794
01:40:32,760 --> 01:40:35,400
Speaker 3: is the best pitcher on this staff. But he's got

1795
01:40:35,520 --> 01:40:38,320
Speaker 3: to make more than the nineteen starts he made last year.

1796
01:40:38,800 --> 01:40:43,360
Speaker 3: But between him and Abbott and Nick Lodolo and Brady

1797
01:40:43,439 --> 01:40:45,479
Speaker 3: Singer had a really good year for this team. He

1798
01:40:45,560 --> 01:40:48,680
Speaker 3: started thirty two games. The guy can pitch, and then

1799
01:40:50,320 --> 01:40:53,280
Speaker 3: you throw in the red ladders. Chase Burns's and Brandon

1800
01:40:53,320 --> 01:40:57,760
Speaker 3: Williamson's buying for that fifth spot in the rotation. That's

1801
01:40:57,840 --> 01:41:02,719
Speaker 3: pretty good. And whoever doesn't get that spot, I guarantee

1802
01:41:02,760 --> 01:41:05,800
Speaker 3: he'll be up in May because somebody gets hurt. It

1803
01:41:05,920 --> 01:41:08,800
Speaker 3: just happens, of course. So you got depth that you

1804
01:41:08,840 --> 01:41:11,000
Speaker 3: know that's going to be a pretty good staff at

1805
01:41:11,080 --> 01:41:13,360
Speaker 3: Louisville too, So you have depth you can bring up

1806
01:41:13,439 --> 01:41:16,120
Speaker 3: here to help this team during the course of the season.

1807
01:41:16,400 --> 01:41:18,400
Speaker 3: And spring training is going to be interesting to see

1808
01:41:18,439 --> 01:41:21,680
Speaker 3: those guys throw against each other and see, you know,

1809
01:41:21,960 --> 01:41:24,320
Speaker 3: just who has the better spring. Not that you can

1810
01:41:24,400 --> 01:41:27,600
Speaker 3: judge everything on spring, uh, but you know, you you

1811
01:41:28,280 --> 01:41:30,960
Speaker 3: you can tell some stuff. You can tell who's who's

1812
01:41:31,040 --> 01:41:33,120
Speaker 3: been working and what kind of stuff they bring to

1813
01:41:33,200 --> 01:41:34,240
Speaker 3: the table. So we'll see.

1814
01:41:34,640 --> 01:41:37,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good question. I mean, a guy like

1815
01:41:37,120 --> 01:41:40,519
Speaker 2: Tito Francona arguably one of the best about the best

1816
01:41:40,600 --> 01:41:43,960
Speaker 2: managers in baseball. Is he a guy you think that

1817
01:41:44,120 --> 01:41:47,880
Speaker 2: that goes by field or as you just said, puts

1818
01:41:47,920 --> 01:41:50,800
Speaker 2: a lot of stock in the spring training statistics.

1819
01:41:51,120 --> 01:41:53,360
Speaker 3: Well, I think it's no. I think it's the opposite.

1820
01:41:53,400 --> 01:41:54,960
Speaker 3: I don't think he puts a whole lot of stock

1821
01:41:55,040 --> 01:41:58,880
Speaker 3: in spring training statistics because some of that stuff can

1822
01:41:58,960 --> 01:42:03,120
Speaker 3: be you know, a little bit jaded. I mean, early on,

1823
01:42:03,320 --> 01:42:05,240
Speaker 3: the pitchers are always going to be ahead of the hitters,

1824
01:42:05,720 --> 01:42:09,040
Speaker 3: and so you know, they all look good. But you

1825
01:42:09,160 --> 01:42:12,719
Speaker 3: start getting well, let me take that back other way around.

1826
01:42:13,080 --> 01:42:15,240
Speaker 3: You start these guys early on, the pitchers are going

1827
01:42:15,320 --> 01:42:17,920
Speaker 3: to throw a lot of fastballs, But then you get

1828
01:42:17,960 --> 01:42:20,639
Speaker 3: the middle of March and they started throwing Uncle Charlie's

1829
01:42:20,960 --> 01:42:22,640
Speaker 3: And we'll see if the guys can really hit him

1830
01:42:22,720 --> 01:42:27,080
Speaker 3: or not. So I mean we'll see, yeah. I mean,

1831
01:42:27,160 --> 01:42:31,599
Speaker 3: you know, they're just gonna But I think he knows.

1832
01:42:32,000 --> 01:42:33,960
Speaker 3: I mean, I think it's the eye test. Hesed to

1833
01:42:34,080 --> 01:42:37,080
Speaker 3: watch these guys pitch, but he's watched him for a

1834
01:42:37,160 --> 01:42:39,120
Speaker 3: long time now. He's got a good look at all

1835
01:42:39,200 --> 01:42:42,320
Speaker 3: these players last year. So he has a feel for

1836
01:42:42,439 --> 01:42:44,679
Speaker 3: what he wants on this team, and I think he'll

1837
01:42:44,720 --> 01:42:47,160
Speaker 3: get it. I mean, I agree, he's one of the

1838
01:42:47,200 --> 01:42:50,640
Speaker 3: best managers in baseball, and he's going to take this

1839
01:42:50,840 --> 01:42:54,880
Speaker 3: team further than any other manager could take this team.

1840
01:42:54,920 --> 01:42:55,960
Speaker 3: I really believe that.

1841
01:42:56,200 --> 01:42:57,240
Speaker 1: I agree with you. I do.

1842
01:42:57,840 --> 01:43:00,400
Speaker 2: You know there's so many bogs out there, and you

1843
01:43:00,520 --> 01:43:03,120
Speaker 2: and I during the season talk about it. There's one

1844
01:43:03,520 --> 01:43:05,880
Speaker 2: called the Ringer. I'm not really that familiar with it,

1845
01:43:05,960 --> 01:43:08,919
Speaker 2: but I wanted to see what the so called critics

1846
01:43:09,000 --> 01:43:10,920
Speaker 2: thought of the Reds off season.

1847
01:43:11,400 --> 01:43:12,640
Speaker 1: I was a little surprised.

1848
01:43:12,680 --> 01:43:15,599
Speaker 2: I mean, they do it by league and then division

1849
01:43:16,120 --> 01:43:19,200
Speaker 2: N EL Central, and they do it by letter grade.

1850
01:43:19,520 --> 01:43:23,559
Speaker 2: He gives the Chicago Cubs an A minus. I mean,

1851
01:43:23,920 --> 01:43:25,960
Speaker 2: I didn't watch that close, but I don't know that

1852
01:43:26,080 --> 01:43:28,000
Speaker 2: they helped themselves that much. What do you think.

1853
01:43:28,720 --> 01:43:31,400
Speaker 3: I think they did, but we'll see. I mean, they

1854
01:43:31,439 --> 01:43:35,479
Speaker 3: were pretty good to begin with. What they give the Reds,

1855
01:43:35,479 --> 01:43:36,920
Speaker 3: I'm kind of curious it's.

1856
01:43:36,880 --> 01:43:40,160
Speaker 1: The next one. It's a B. I'd have done a

1857
01:43:40,200 --> 01:43:40,960
Speaker 1: little better than that, I.

1858
01:43:41,040 --> 01:43:43,760
Speaker 3: Think, Yeah, I think I could have gave them. I

1859
01:43:44,040 --> 01:43:46,120
Speaker 3: think for the efforts they made, I think you could

1860
01:43:46,120 --> 01:43:48,200
Speaker 3: have gave them an A. But I'll take a B.

1861
01:43:48,560 --> 01:43:49,080
Speaker 3: That's fine.

1862
01:43:49,160 --> 01:43:50,640
Speaker 1: Absolutely, it's absolutely.

1863
01:43:51,160 --> 01:43:54,559
Speaker 2: And just a couple of lines on this writer, whoever

1864
01:43:54,600 --> 01:43:56,559
Speaker 2: he is is I'm pretty excited to see how many

1865
01:43:56,640 --> 01:44:01,120
Speaker 2: homers a Winnio Suarez will hit in GAVP one year

1866
01:44:01,280 --> 01:44:05,080
Speaker 2: after he hit the forty nine in Seattle and Arizona combined,

1867
01:44:05,200 --> 01:44:08,680
Speaker 2: so they get it. I also mentions to protection for

1868
01:44:08,960 --> 01:44:12,640
Speaker 2: Ellie and then I don't know why he's down on

1869
01:44:12,720 --> 01:44:16,160
Speaker 2: the Brewers after their season last year. B minus uh,

1870
01:44:16,880 --> 01:44:19,200
Speaker 2: the Brewers didn't try to win the off season.

1871
01:44:20,600 --> 01:44:21,160
Speaker 1: It just doesn't.

1872
01:44:21,200 --> 01:44:24,400
Speaker 2: They seem Rodney Dangerfield. They don't get any respect, man, No,

1873
01:44:24,560 --> 01:44:26,679
Speaker 2: but they element they win.

1874
01:44:27,120 --> 01:44:29,559
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know they're in contention every year, but they

1875
01:44:29,560 --> 01:44:31,040
Speaker 3: don't go real far in the playoffs.

1876
01:44:31,080 --> 01:44:32,439
Speaker 1: So yeah, neither do we.

1877
01:44:33,200 --> 01:44:36,320
Speaker 3: Well, we'll see. We'll see this year. I think it's

1878
01:44:36,520 --> 01:44:38,280
Speaker 3: I think that's one of the things that you look

1879
01:44:38,360 --> 01:44:39,920
Speaker 3: at too. I mean, you've got to be good enough

1880
01:44:39,960 --> 01:44:42,240
Speaker 3: for the regular season, but a lot of it is

1881
01:44:42,320 --> 01:44:45,519
Speaker 3: also getting ready for the postseason and you know, setting

1882
01:44:45,560 --> 01:44:47,840
Speaker 3: everything up as you get closer to September, but you

1883
01:44:47,960 --> 01:44:50,599
Speaker 3: got to get there first. Sure, sure, we'll see.

1884
01:44:50,760 --> 01:44:51,559
Speaker 1: Going along here.

1885
01:44:51,720 --> 01:44:54,200
Speaker 2: This is a little surprising. Although I didn't watch this

1886
01:44:54,320 --> 01:44:58,920
Speaker 2: team very closely. Saint Louis Cardinals a minus. Do you

1887
01:44:59,000 --> 01:45:01,080
Speaker 2: agree with that or you you kind of followed them

1888
01:45:01,320 --> 01:45:01,960
Speaker 2: during the well.

1889
01:45:02,000 --> 01:45:04,320
Speaker 3: I think the Saint Louis Cardinals maybe an a minus

1890
01:45:04,320 --> 01:45:06,439
Speaker 3: because they're building for the future, because they're not going

1891
01:45:06,520 --> 01:45:10,080
Speaker 3: to do anything this year, right, so if the trades

1892
01:45:10,120 --> 01:45:12,040
Speaker 3: they made and the moves they made help them down

1893
01:45:12,120 --> 01:45:14,400
Speaker 3: the road, yeah, then maybe you give them a name minus.

1894
01:45:14,439 --> 01:45:15,960
Speaker 3: I think it's a little hard to say that now,

1895
01:45:16,080 --> 01:45:18,960
Speaker 3: but but yeah, they're not going to win this year.

1896
01:45:19,240 --> 01:45:19,280
Speaker 6: No.

1897
01:45:19,960 --> 01:45:22,640
Speaker 2: Well, and then the last but not least always the

1898
01:45:23,240 --> 01:45:27,720
Speaker 2: kind of cellar dwellers. Pittsburgh Pirates a minus, and dude says,

1899
01:45:27,840 --> 01:45:30,840
Speaker 2: consider me an optimist. When it comes to twenty twenty six,

1900
01:45:30,960 --> 01:45:34,640
Speaker 2: Pittsburgh Pirates added serious power to the lineup, which it

1901
01:45:34,760 --> 01:45:36,160
Speaker 2: totally lacked last year.

1902
01:45:36,840 --> 01:45:38,560
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, I think they'll probably be

1903
01:45:38,640 --> 01:45:40,880
Speaker 1: in the basement where they always are, but who knows.

1904
01:45:41,280 --> 01:45:43,400
Speaker 3: Well, here's what I look at, Mike, and that is

1905
01:45:44,000 --> 01:45:47,280
Speaker 3: the boys in Las Vegas. Oh, for some reason, they

1906
01:45:47,400 --> 01:45:51,040
Speaker 3: always get it right. Yeah, and I got I gotta

1907
01:45:51,080 --> 01:45:53,599
Speaker 3: tell you they ain't predicted that the Pittsburgh Pirates are

1908
01:45:53,640 --> 01:45:54,439
Speaker 3: going to win anything.

1909
01:45:54,680 --> 01:45:56,760
Speaker 1: Yep, no, I hear you. You know what you bring

1910
01:45:56,840 --> 01:45:58,280
Speaker 1: up A good point. I wanted to ask you.

1911
01:45:58,800 --> 01:46:03,880
Speaker 2: I thought it is absolutely crazy the way MLB just

1912
01:46:04,120 --> 01:46:07,080
Speaker 2: out of nowhere pretty much after years of shoeless Joe

1913
01:46:07,160 --> 01:46:11,160
Speaker 2: and Pete embraced gambling, and now you got the deal

1914
01:46:11,200 --> 01:46:13,800
Speaker 2: where and I think I think the commissioners stepped in

1915
01:46:13,880 --> 01:46:16,760
Speaker 2: and stopped this deal where you could actually bet on

1916
01:46:17,000 --> 01:46:19,400
Speaker 2: whether the pitcher was going to kick the rubber or

1917
01:46:20,000 --> 01:46:20,800
Speaker 2: that kind of stuff.

1918
01:46:20,840 --> 01:46:22,479
Speaker 3: I mean, do you see that getting better or do

1919
01:46:22,560 --> 01:46:24,519
Speaker 3: you see it as a problem. I guess it's a

1920
01:46:24,680 --> 01:46:29,240
Speaker 3: big problem. Yeah, I mean is it's a huge problem.

1921
01:46:29,320 --> 01:46:32,720
Speaker 3: You got the guy from the Guardians who's now going

1922
01:46:32,760 --> 01:46:36,720
Speaker 3: to be out of baseball for the pitch you know,

1923
01:46:36,880 --> 01:46:41,000
Speaker 3: paying gamblers, gamblers getting paying him to throw a certain

1924
01:46:41,080 --> 01:46:44,240
Speaker 3: pitch in a certain situation. I mean, that whole thing's

1925
01:46:44,280 --> 01:46:47,000
Speaker 3: a mess. It's but you know what, if you sleep

1926
01:46:47,080 --> 01:46:49,360
Speaker 3: with the devil, that's what's going to happen. Yea and

1927
01:46:50,080 --> 01:46:52,720
Speaker 3: holier than now baseball stuff. All of a sudden, they

1928
01:46:52,800 --> 01:46:55,320
Speaker 3: saw the cash and they took it. And it's a

1929
01:46:55,400 --> 01:46:57,920
Speaker 3: big problem and it's going to continue to be a

1930
01:46:58,000 --> 01:47:00,840
Speaker 3: problem in all sports, I know.

1931
01:47:01,080 --> 01:47:04,040
Speaker 2: But I tell you, I just I think the word

1932
01:47:04,080 --> 01:47:08,840
Speaker 2: I'm looking for is hypocrisy after years and years and

1933
01:47:09,040 --> 01:47:12,000
Speaker 2: years of that, you know, I mean, open the doors

1934
01:47:12,040 --> 01:47:15,920
Speaker 2: for Pete and shoeless Joe. It's and like everything else,

1935
01:47:16,000 --> 01:47:19,400
Speaker 2: I guess in life and especially in sports, everything comes

1936
01:47:19,479 --> 01:47:20,240
Speaker 2: down to the money.

1937
01:47:20,360 --> 01:47:22,799
Speaker 1: So MLB must be making bank.

1938
01:47:22,680 --> 01:47:25,400
Speaker 3: On it, one hundred percent. It comes down to the money.

1939
01:47:25,479 --> 01:47:25,679
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1940
01:47:25,720 --> 01:47:30,160
Speaker 3: I guarantee that those gambling sites for MLB and for

1941
01:47:30,320 --> 01:47:33,600
Speaker 3: probably every team is one of the biggest, if not

1942
01:47:33,760 --> 01:47:37,040
Speaker 3: the biggest client they have because they will spend some

1943
01:47:37,280 --> 01:47:42,120
Speaker 3: money now because America's pastime, true pastime, is gambling.

1944
01:47:42,200 --> 01:47:45,360
Speaker 2: Mic Yep, You're right about that. You know what, if

1945
01:47:45,400 --> 01:47:47,320
Speaker 2: I were smart enough, maybe I do a little bit

1946
01:47:47,400 --> 01:47:50,040
Speaker 2: of it. But I'm real good at blowing money. But

1947
01:47:50,200 --> 01:47:52,600
Speaker 2: I'd like to have something in return for it. But

1948
01:47:52,920 --> 01:47:55,519
Speaker 2: I hear you, uh Yed, thank you so much for

1949
01:47:55,720 --> 01:47:59,000
Speaker 2: giving us your opinions on things that are always right

1950
01:47:59,080 --> 01:48:01,960
Speaker 2: on the money, and looking forward to Red's report on

1951
01:48:02,080 --> 01:48:03,439
Speaker 2: Saturday Middays coming up.

1952
01:48:03,920 --> 01:48:06,839
Speaker 3: I will talk to you then, Okay, thanks Ed, Seya?

1953
01:48:07,040 --> 01:48:10,360
Speaker 2: All right, all right, David the Armbrewster, the guy that

1954
01:48:10,560 --> 01:48:14,439
Speaker 2: I go to for all things Cincinnati Reds related, you know,

1955
01:48:14,560 --> 01:48:16,680
Speaker 2: and some people say that I'm going overboard on the

1956
01:48:16,760 --> 01:48:21,080
Speaker 2: gambling thing. It's just so hypocritical to me, you know.

1957
01:48:21,360 --> 01:48:24,120
Speaker 2: I mean, after all the years, we can't do this,

1958
01:48:24,280 --> 01:48:26,800
Speaker 2: we can't do that. But again, end of the day,

1959
01:48:27,040 --> 01:48:30,040
Speaker 2: the almighty dollar. Hey, I am out of here. I

1960
01:48:30,120 --> 01:48:33,639
Speaker 2: am finished. I believe we got Dan Carroll coming tomorrow

1961
01:48:33,720 --> 01:48:36,600
Speaker 2: and Willie is back on Wednesday. I'll be there of

1962
01:48:36,680 --> 01:48:40,400
Speaker 2: course Saturday for Saturday Midday Mike Allen's seven hundred WLW