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Speaker 1: Jim or I was going to bring up something here,
Speaker 1: let me get it back here. We were talking about
Speaker 1: your your last plant, which you saw at the peted
Speaker 1: out off Udolph Garden in Detroit, and three of my
Speaker 1: plants came from that that visit as well. One is
Speaker 1: an old one never I don't think popular, but such
Speaker 1: a good, cool plant, Econops ritro. I think it's oh,
Speaker 1: I love that, yeah, glow, yeah, great plant. And it's
Speaker 1: not a thistle. It's an economics but it has this
Speaker 1: round of flower head, pretty blue flowers, and you grow
Speaker 1: a cultivar.
Speaker 2: I've grown platinum blue and this year I'm also growing
Speaker 2: a white one, maybe Arctic snow or Arctic white. I
Speaker 2: got them seeds from Gilido and man, you talk about
Speaker 2: an easy seed to start. It germinates in just two
Speaker 2: days or something. It grows easily in a plug tray
Speaker 2: or in a pot. It was just bulletproof and the
Speaker 2: landscape for the most partators came back after the first
Speaker 2: winter with extended snowpack, and I mean it just has
Speaker 2: performed like a champ. And it's that really pure blue
Speaker 2: color that is difficult to get and the shape of
Speaker 2: the flower. They're like these little lollipops that kind of
Speaker 2: stick up out over everything and it blends well with
Speaker 2: a lot of things.
Speaker 1: It's an easy grower and the foliage kind of has
Speaker 1: a little bit of a blue cast to it, a
Speaker 1: little bit of a silvery and a little it's not spiny,
Speaker 1: but it kay of looks a little.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: The they call it globe thistle because the leaves do
Speaker 2: look a bit like a thistle, which is not selling it.
Speaker 2: And it is a courser look. It's not a super.
Speaker 1: Tidy great to mix with finer it is.
Speaker 2: It is great to mix. I made the mistake. I
Speaker 2: put it kind of as a block planting, and I
Speaker 2: wouldn't have I wouldn't do that again if I was
Speaker 2: redesigning that, I would have put something finer textured kind
Speaker 2: of in between and used it a bit more sparingly.
Speaker 1: Gotcha. Also from the Udolph Garden Detroit, I saw again
Speaker 1: in a favorite from a long time, for a long time,
Speaker 1: Stokesia Peache's Peache's pick, I think is the cultivar and
Speaker 1: it's it's sort of a bad name because it's not
Speaker 1: peachy but more a solid blue. But the woman who
Speaker 1: discovered the plant was named peachy. Oh okay, and that's
Speaker 1: why the head fake on the color. Got it. And
Speaker 1: then the last one was an alium that I hadn't
Speaker 1: seen before Alium carrulatam pulchellum, which apparently is pretty fairly
Speaker 1: available as a ball in the marketplace. It's called blue
Speaker 1: globe onion and it's about the height of millennium less
Speaker 1: and knee high. And the normally with an alium you
Speaker 1: get that round flower head. This has I think it
Speaker 1: starts with sort of a round, little fireworky kind of
Speaker 1: upward little and then the little filaments or whatever holds
Speaker 1: they all sort of start to droop, so you get
Speaker 1: a really beautiful cascading look to the flower. And the
Speaker 1: word on the street was it seeds around a little bit,
Speaker 1: but not too bad in the way that you would
Speaker 1: like it too in a naturalistic garden. So that was
Speaker 1: those were my three standouts from the visit. That and
Speaker 1: just a reminder, you know, it's so so educational and
Speaker 1: inspirational to go to these gardens that these public gardens
Speaker 1: can go and check out the plants, see what they do.
Speaker 1: And you know, Pete out of and is certainly one
Speaker 1: of the best at having a wide palette of plants, definitely,
Speaker 1: and by going to look at his gardens and there's
Speaker 1: a high line in the lurry and a few others
Speaker 1: in the country. Uh, you can learn so many more
Speaker 1: plants that that you that are fascinating plants. Yeah, Jim,
Speaker 1: what do you have next?
Speaker 4: I got a kind of cool plant given to me
Speaker 4: a few weeks ago by our friend Ben Necessary. Oh yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: Cali Canthus Burgundy spice yes red foliage Cali Canthus. It's
Speaker 4: really really cool. When the new foliage comes out, it's
Speaker 4: kind of like a greenish burgundy with like silvery feel,
Speaker 4: and then as the leaves age they get really dark burgundy.
Speaker 4: The first year in the garden, see what it does.
Speaker 4: He asked me to try it form and report back
Speaker 4: on how it performs, and so far it's it's really
Speaker 4: really cool.
Speaker 1: Yeah. That came out about at least five years ago,
Speaker 1: and I haven't really gotten in the trade too much yet,
Speaker 1: but once it does, I mean it's I think it's
Speaker 1: a hybrid like aphrodite is I think so heartlage wine,
Speaker 1: which means I have a really good vigor probably, I
Speaker 1: hope so size. So far it's held up.
Speaker 4: I've only had it in the ground for maybe six
Speaker 4: or eight weeks, but it looks good. It's not a
Speaker 4: water hog.
Speaker 1: That's when I can never remember the common spicewu sweet trub.
Speaker 1: And the flowers are very primitive looking. They're kind of
Speaker 1: magnolia like, yes, and I think it did flower.
Speaker 4: The flowers get lost in the foliage though, okay on
Speaker 4: this one, just because the flower color is kind of
Speaker 4: in the same color family as the foliage. But I'm
Speaker 4: growing up for a folish play. I've got it planted
Speaker 4: right next to a U. I know I shouldn't like us,
Speaker 4: but I love us. I've got one called Wan Tong gold.
Speaker 4: It's a gold leaf you. And I've got that next
Speaker 4: to that gold leaf you. And it's really nice. So
Speaker 4: what I'm doing now is I'm trying to work in
Speaker 4: some purple dark foliage plants throughout my garden. So I
Speaker 4: have that sort of a theme that runs throughout.
Speaker 1: I like that. Yeah, very cool. Yeah, and you, by
Speaker 1: the way, you have a stunning garden. A little later on,
Speaker 1: hopefully we'll have time to talk about that. And it's
Speaker 1: a small garden, which is you know, I have a
Speaker 1: bigger garden and I have small garden envy. Yeah, I understand.
Speaker 1: You can make it so perfect.
Speaker 4: I used to have big garden ivy, but yeah, I
Speaker 4: tend a pretty big garden to Anderson, and it's like
Speaker 4: as you get older, it's like, I think the small
Speaker 4: garden sounds pretty good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're some pros to a small garden.
Speaker 1: You have to be more disciplined. You can't keep adding plants.
Speaker 1: I can't. But the plants you can put in can
Speaker 1: be the very best, and you can play with it
Speaker 1: make it perfect. Ye, Sarah, do you have another plant?
Speaker 1: I do.
Speaker 2: Stacis white whisper was at Walters. I missed that and
Speaker 2: so it wasn't even in flower. It was past flower,
Speaker 2: but the seed heads had a greenish sort of cast
Speaker 2: and the texture was wonderful, So the flowering would be
Speaker 2: a bonus. And it's a white flowering stackus. It looks
Speaker 2: like a hamelo, which is a purple flowering variety that's
Speaker 2: pretty widely available.
Speaker 1: Scuses s T. A. C. H. Y s.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And the one you would know in the garden centers
Speaker 1: is lambs.
Speaker 2: Laser Lambser, but this doesn't really like a Lambsier, even
Speaker 2: though it's in the same Geese.
Speaker 1: They may know the common name for that one. I don't.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Betany, thank you, yeah, thank you. So this is
Speaker 2: a white betany and the seed the seedheads are what caught.
Speaker 1: My eye, which is a typical really yeahl does.
Speaker 2: Not have seedheads that are going to turn. You know,
Speaker 2: they're not offensive, they're fine, but I wouldn't call them ornamental.
Speaker 2: And this one was really nice. And and Betany is
Speaker 2: kind of a nice tidy plant that the seedheads and
Speaker 2: the flowers are extremely upright. So there's just really good
Speaker 2: texture going on. And in the display beds at Walter's Gardens,
Speaker 2: they had it next to a Ucomia purple rain, just
Speaker 2: big bold foliage that really set up off those seed
Speaker 2: heads because you had the contrasting backdrop so they almost glowed.
Speaker 2: And behind that they had pardon me, big bluestem Niagara Falls,
Speaker 2: and those three plants together there was just such a
Speaker 2: nice composition.
Speaker 1: There were a lot of nice composition, so many, so
Speaker 1: many ball and there were a couple of private gardens
Speaker 1: we went to that were just amazing as well. Nice.
Speaker 1: One of my favorite plants in the whole wide world
Speaker 1: is an annual grass Melinis Nerva gloomis ruby grass. I
Speaker 1: think they just ruby grass and it has this beautifully
Speaker 1: fine textured foliage with a bluish cast, and you know,
Speaker 1: it's not the most floriferous annual. It comes in a
Speaker 1: little later, but the flowers, the grass flowers just come
Speaker 1: in a rich ruby color and gradually fade out to pink.
Speaker 1: But as they do so, they also changed texture from
Speaker 1: more of a very fine but defined flower and then
Speaker 1: suddenly it just fluffs out and it's so so good.
Speaker 1: And when I saw that Ball had a white version,
Speaker 1: first I had an a version because why would you
Speaker 1: want a white But then you know, you start looking
Speaker 1: at it closer, and the white flowers were good on
Speaker 1: their own. They were really nice. They had that soft,
Speaker 1: fluffy texture that later in the season. But they had
Speaker 1: it planted with verbina dot bone Aiance is the tall verbena,
Speaker 1: and what a combination that was. It was stunny, breathtaking.
Speaker 2: It was one of my favorite plants at Ball yesterday.
Speaker 2: The grass was stunning. I saw it from across the
Speaker 2: field and was like, oh my god, what is it
Speaker 2: over there?
Speaker 1: Wow?
Speaker 2: Yeah, and works really well in naturalistic compositions, even though
Speaker 2: it is an annual. They had this bed that was
Speaker 2: it really really looked like one of those pollinator gardens,
Speaker 2: just dreamy and the textures and the flows and the colors,
Speaker 2: but it was with all Was it all annuals? I
Speaker 2: think it was all annuals.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well back in the back of the bed, I
Speaker 1: think they had some other things, but right where it
Speaker 1: was was all annuals.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: It was a great combination.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and with pretty traditional landscape plants. They had a
Speaker 2: yellow toned marrigold, there was a seed variety verbina. I
Speaker 2: forget what else they had in that bed, but.
Speaker 1: Another grass of some kind of darker grass.
Speaker 2: And then they had that upatorium elegant feather, which was
Speaker 2: new to me, and ubitorium.
Speaker 1: Let's say that one. We'll come back and we'll talk
Speaker 1: about that because it was an exceptional plant that's worth
Speaker 1: talking about. And then we'll also get into some timely
Speaker 1: task things you should have done last week, especially Sarah
Speaker 1: and I who were all were gone most of last week.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a long list.
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Speaker 1: doing it. So we were just going to wrap up
Speaker 1: with our favorite plants right now with the upitorium you
Speaker 1: brought up and you've.
Speaker 2: Been yeah, yeah, I was looking it up and I
Speaker 2: was surprised to find that it's native. Well, I was
Speaker 2: most surprised to find that it's a upatorium. It looks
Speaker 2: nothing like a joe pie weed or you know, bone
Speaker 2: set or anything like that. It looks like a tamarisk.
Speaker 2: It has this very feathery kind of foliage and it's
Speaker 2: very upright. We saw it in containers, we saw it
Speaker 2: in the landscape. It just looks stunning everywhere you put it.
Speaker 2: As a designer, I'm always looking for that height element
Speaker 2: to contrast with what's going on below. And it catches
Speaker 2: the wind like a grass. I don't know what kind
Speaker 2: of flower it makes, if any, but it doesn't need
Speaker 2: to because it has that incredible texture.
Speaker 1: And I'm just going to add a look that nothing
Speaker 1: else has as far as I know.
Speaker 2: Right right, it was very new and oh I want to.
Speaker 1: Use this, Yeah, I want to. I think it's actually.
Speaker 2: It's hardy six through nine. And the common name for
Speaker 2: the species is dog fennel. And apparently it's a it
Speaker 2: can be kind of weedy. It's it's native, but it's
Speaker 2: a it's a whaedy native. But this, this cultivar was
Speaker 2: bred to be sterile, and so you know, I feel
Speaker 2: better about that in a garden, even native plants, if
Speaker 2: they're extremely weedy, I don't necessarily gardening hard put exactly.
Speaker 2: You can do it, but you're creating a lot of
Speaker 2: work for yourself. So ye, so I'll look forward to
Speaker 2: growing that one.
Speaker 1: Okay, So this isn't really a plant a favorite plant
Speaker 1: right now. It's probably a favorite plant for the future.
Speaker 1: But it was a cultivate last week actually, which is
Speaker 1: a big trade show for the green industry and a
Speaker 1: lot of new plant introductions go on. And Terra Nova,
Speaker 1: which has put out a bunch of Achinaesia and especially
Speaker 1: coral bells over the years, so maybe the most important
Speaker 1: introducer of all the colorful coral bells, has a new line.
Speaker 1: And this is absolutely amazing. It's it's very very different.
Speaker 1: It's called uh shoot, what was it? Firewing, fire Wing,
Speaker 1: f y R E wing series of coral bells and
Speaker 1: uh it yeah, it just you look at it and
Speaker 1: you go, is that a corobell? Oh? Yeah, it is
Speaker 1: a corbel. Its recognizable as a coral bell, but the
Speaker 1: leaf is completely different. It looks like a filigree, like
Speaker 1: a really fine Japanese mate.
Speaker 2: If you didn't know that they were doing this line,
Speaker 2: you could mistake it for not a coral bell, but
Speaker 2: it would confuse you. You know, it has all the
Speaker 2: good things about the coral bells, but a totally different shape,
Speaker 2: a totally different texture. Kind of the way the leaves overlap.
Speaker 2: You guess the roughly and you know it's dissected. Some
Speaker 2: of the coral bells. Do you have a ruffle on
Speaker 2: the edge, but they're pretty much you know that that
Speaker 2: circular shape and this is a feathery they they're marketing
Speaker 2: as these look like little dragon wings, and they really do.
Speaker 1: I'm looking at a pr or press release here from
Speaker 1: Terra Nova and they put this out for the Cultivate Show.
Speaker 1: They described it as featuring deeply cut dragon inspired foliage
Speaker 1: and seven gemstone themed colors. The collection is the result
Speaker 1: of five years of intensive breeding and already being rolled
Speaker 1: out to tissue culture laboratories worldwide. And I'm being told
Speaker 1: that they're selling everything they can produce, so now now, yeah,
Speaker 1: And they said it started with an unexpected discovery rather
Speaker 1: than a planned breeding objective about five years ago, found
Speaker 1: a mutation. Listen to what they had to do. It
Speaker 1: was a no viable pollen from the flower or a
Speaker 1: functioning ovary. So they made it tetraploid. This is getting
Speaker 1: very technical. And then worked with embryos. You see embryos
Speaker 1: in everything. They get this out through the market or
Speaker 1: through the process, and in five years they went from
Speaker 1: that one FI to a series of what was it
Speaker 1: eight eight different plants, seven different plants. And you got
Speaker 1: to look at these online. Look at fire wing Hyukra.
Speaker 1: They're really different, really cool And why are e f
Speaker 1: y are you? And it may not who knows how
Speaker 1: good it grows in the ground. We'll find out. You're
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Speaker 1: Yeah, welcome back. You are listening to Let's Garden Scott Berlin.
Speaker 1: I'm here with Jim Hansel. And Sarah Geiger Beam and
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Speaker 1: at things we should have done last week TSK things
Speaker 1: we need to get on and Jim you had a
Speaker 1: couple of ideas.
Speaker 4: The biggest thing I need to get on and hopefully
Speaker 4: do that in between the showers this weekend is just weeding.
Speaker 4: I don't like to use I'm not anti chemical, but
Speaker 4: I like to avoid using herbicides in my garden.
Speaker 1: I just don't.
Speaker 4: I don't around again, you know, it's part of our industry,
Speaker 4: it's part of what we have to do. But personally,
Speaker 4: if I can avoid that in my own garden, I
Speaker 4: will just getting out and weeding, you know, getting those
Speaker 4: weeds pulled before they flower. So that's the biggest thing,
Speaker 4: is understanding the biology of when to pull them.
Speaker 1: I have a little hand ho Yeah, it's just like
Speaker 1: if like a trousized little hoe and I you can
Speaker 1: make some good You can, yeah, progress with your weeds.
Speaker 1: You say nothing, You just get on your knees and
Speaker 1: start wandering around the garden and just how those things up. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and it really makes it different. I got it.
Speaker 4: I gotta stir up poe for those things I can't reach,
Speaker 4: you know, like I don't want to get under that.
Speaker 4: I've got a really pretty aralia cordatta sun king, and
Speaker 4: I don't want to get underneath that thing. I could
Speaker 4: just take that yep, that stirrup hoe and just cut
Speaker 4: everything off.
Speaker 1: Both those tools are really good for getting in and
Speaker 1: around other plants. Sarah, do you have anything?
Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, there's so much I should have done
Speaker 2: last week but did not do because I was not
Speaker 2: there for it. But things are growing like crazy right now.
Speaker 2: I came back and my bananas are ten inches taller.
Speaker 2: You know, of course, the weeds are ten inches taller.
Speaker 2: I you know, I'll be honest. I failed my tomatoes
Speaker 2: this year.
Speaker 1: I really can get away from me.
Speaker 2: I should have thinned them out, and I have never well.
Speaker 2: I have used tomato cages, but not in a long time,
Speaker 2: and not for these varieties that are just monsters and
Speaker 2: they they're getting all kinds of you know, leaf symptoms
Speaker 2: and they're just falling apart. So, you know, I think
Speaker 2: it's important that home gardeners know that even professional horticulturists,
Speaker 2: even as we're succeeding, we're always failing. Also, yeah, you're yourself.
Speaker 7: You know.
Speaker 2: There's just so many different plants and every season is different,
Speaker 2: and so you know, we have we have setbacks, just
Speaker 2: like everybody.
Speaker 1: Feels like a good time to remind everybody that you're
Speaker 1: a lead associate. You've got an OGI, a master.
Speaker 2: Certification, patos for twenty five years, and I knew better,
Speaker 2: and yet you know, I just have.
Speaker 1: There's so many hours in a day.
Speaker 2: I have so much garden to take care of. I
Speaker 2: have an acre, I have a nursery, and it's just
Speaker 2: me as the caretaker also full time job and two
Speaker 2: children and everything. But but right now, I'm I'm just
Speaker 2: really hit by the how fast things are growing. You know,
Speaker 2: my snake being because.
Speaker 1: We've had consistent rain, it's been high, but with lower
Speaker 1: night temperatures it's been yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so just getting those weeds out before they flower
Speaker 2: super important. Staying on top of things that are growing
Speaker 2: super fast, and you know, the things that will become
Speaker 2: a problem in a month. Now, just knock them back.
Speaker 2: I like the stirrup po I have a colinear hoe
Speaker 2: which is kind of similar, which is good for knocking
Speaker 2: down the smaller weeds. And I was a Peace Corps
Speaker 2: volunteer in Paraguay. The machete is the Paraguay and Army
Speaker 2: knife of the country.
Speaker 1: And the mother with two small children, you know, and.
Speaker 2: You're kind of make fun of me, but I have
Speaker 2: a deep love for a machete. And I before I left,
Speaker 2: I walked around and you know, where the Canada golden
Speaker 2: rod was coming up, where the ragweed was coming up.
Speaker 2: I didn't have time to pull it, but I just
Speaker 2: took this long handled machete that it goes. It's right
Speaker 2: down to ground level. If I'm holding it at waste level,
Speaker 2: and just if it's sharp, you just do a quick
Speaker 2: little splash and that knocks it back. And you know,
Speaker 2: if that's all you have time to do, that really
Speaker 2: it does a lot.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Usually by this time of year, our turf is
Speaker 1: just dormant. Yeah, it's just you know, and I like
Speaker 1: it that way. I don't want to keep watering my
Speaker 1: turf now, so let it go brown and dormant and
Speaker 1: just not worry about it for a little while. But
Speaker 1: it's been it's been pretty consistent with rain, and I
Speaker 1: was reminded the last few times that I've mowed it's
Speaker 1: the importance of sharpening your blade. Yes, it's getting to wear.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 1: If I make a curve, half of it's been cut
Speaker 1: and the other half is still very tall, and that's frustrating.
Speaker 1: You're like, I thought I hit that spot, you know,
Speaker 1: because I'm stupid, I forget what's happening and why is it.
Speaker 1: I was just there. I thought I was. I thought
Speaker 1: I was. I thought I was doing a great job.
Speaker 1: But I'm not. And it's not my fault. What is
Speaker 1: my fault because they haven't sharpened my blade.
Speaker 2: But sharp tools always.
Speaker 1: And ironically they're always safer too, Yeah, for sure, working
Speaker 1: less hard with them, less fatigue. Yeah, they're doing the.
Speaker 2: Job with the machete. Like people joke it's crazy dangerous,
Speaker 2: but if you have a really short machete, you do
Speaker 2: not need much force. It's really just kind of like
Speaker 2: light easy. You use the motion of the blade. And
Speaker 2: I actually this is going to sound crazy. I think
Speaker 2: it's a decent tool for older people that don't want
Speaker 2: to bend down. If you get a machete that sized
Speaker 2: to your height. I'm lucky in this because I'm shorter,
Speaker 2: so I'm closer to the ground. I don't need a
Speaker 2: crazy long machete.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 2: You know it works if you don't have to use
Speaker 2: a lot of muscle.
Speaker 1: And you know that's the thing with every great tool,
Speaker 1: and a great reminder that when when you're using a tool,
Speaker 1: let the tool do the work. Let the tool. You're
Speaker 1: chainsawing a branch, you know, in psychic motion you can
Speaker 1: push and push and push. It doesn't work any better
Speaker 1: than if you just the chainsaw make the cut. Right.
Speaker 1: Along with that, I have another one where to go wrong?
Speaker 1: Mouse Oh, a job that we shouldn't be doing right now.
Speaker 1: So a job we should have done a few weeks
Speaker 1: ago maybe and should not do anymore this summer, And
Speaker 1: that is fertilizing most things. Anyway. You might want to
Speaker 1: still continue fertilizing containers, maybe some vegetables and things like that,
Speaker 1: but anything perennial or especially woody plants not a great
Speaker 1: idea because you're going to do what you're going to
Speaker 1: push new growth growth and go into fall or winter
Speaker 1: with that unhardened off tissue and it could be damaged
Speaker 1: or severely damaged. So you don't want to be throwing
Speaker 1: a bunch of fertilizer out. I might want to be
Speaker 1: very careful about what you.
Speaker 2: Do for a living, and especially if we get our
Speaker 2: typical late season droughts, if you're pushing a whole lot
Speaker 2: of growth, that's just making it harder for the plant
Speaker 2: to sustain and all of that growth with the roots
Speaker 2: that it has, so you know, they want to kind
Speaker 2: of slow down when things get hot and dry, and
Speaker 2: you don't want to override that by just dumping a
Speaker 2: bunch of fertilizer on them.
Speaker 1: Definitely, jim one more and then we'll move on.
Speaker 4: Well, I'm going to kind of steal one that we
Speaker 4: talked about during the break. It's time to start ordering bulbs.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Time came up on as quick as it always does.
Speaker 1: It always does.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so this is a perfect time to get those
Speaker 4: bulb catalogs out and start dreaming for February, March, and April.
Speaker 1: And if you can remember where they are, Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: a good time to go back and dig them up
Speaker 1: and bite them. You know what I'm gonna do next year.
Speaker 1: I always say this, I am going to do this.
Speaker 1: I'm going to.
Speaker 4: Order some marking flags and I'm going to write on
Speaker 4: that flag what it is for the ones that I
Speaker 4: need to move and just stick in the middle of
Speaker 4: my clump of bulbs next year.
Speaker 1: Colored golf teas are really great for that. You could
Speaker 1: put the green in.
Speaker 2: What a good idea?
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know you can. You can't. I don't like
Speaker 1: a flag because it shows too much or whatever. But
Speaker 1: it's going to get a green flag and write a
Speaker 1: little name on it. We were looking at some flags
Speaker 1: in the meadow at the Oudolph Garden and they were
Speaker 1: there to mark some thing that was going to be done,
Speaker 1: and I was I was joking that, look how how
Speaker 1: they precisely placed the flags that add just a perfect
Speaker 1: color in each spot? Right, So but anyway, yeah, if
Speaker 1: you can, you know, mark them down. And you know
Speaker 1: I always mean to do it. But like when those
Speaker 1: daffodils are there, take a picture, yes, make a reminder,
Speaker 1: put it on the calendar to go and and dig
Speaker 1: those up and move them around.
Speaker 4: I sketched my garden out on an iPad, so I
Speaker 4: try to mark it on my iPad so I can
Speaker 4: at least come back, and they're not there.
Speaker 1: Okay, they're kind of in this area, so actually you
Speaker 1: have one more.
Speaker 2: Let's see. No not, You're good, Yeah, hanging, I'm going
Speaker 2: to leave you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, We'll go ahead and take a break,
Speaker 1: and uh, when we come back, we're going to talk
Speaker 1: about a student of yours, Jim, and a friend of yours. Uh, Sarah, Sarah,
Speaker 1: that's right, yeah, Sarah, And somebody I'm really fond of
Speaker 1: and have done an interview with for Horticulture magazine. Will
Speaker 1: do that when we get back in just a minute.
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Speaker 1: And welcome back. You're listening to Let's Guard with Scott Berlin.
Speaker 1: Our number is eight hundred eighty two three eighty two
Speaker 1: fifty five. I'm here with Sarah Geiger beIN landscape designer
Speaker 1: with Wimberg Landscaping and Jim Hansel with Great Oaks and
Speaker 1: adjunct professor of Horticulture at the University of Cincinnati. And
Speaker 1: as such, I thought I saw somebody stole my idea.
Speaker 1: So Trinity Toby is a friend of all overs, a
Speaker 1: student of yours, and just a really impressive young lady
Speaker 1: who got her degree in horticulture, but more importantly, with
Speaker 1: the help of you and Christone and other people in town.
Speaker 1: And she's not afraid to ask for help. Now she's
Speaker 1: out there pushing her her future and she has got
Speaker 1: She got a an internship at Chinicleer, which is one
Speaker 1: of the greatest gardens in the country last summer, I believe, yes,
Speaker 1: last summer. Yeah. And then she came back worked at
Speaker 1: Spring Grove where you works era. Uh for just this
Speaker 1: last yeah, good for her. She needed yeah, she needed
Speaker 1: one more class actually and uh. And then she got
Speaker 1: a very prestigious internship at what is it Great Dicks
Speaker 1: straight Dickster in England. But anyway, I got the chance
Speaker 1: to interview her for my horticulture magazine column last summer,
Speaker 1: and I think that was printed in Winter or Spring
Speaker 1: in the spring issue, but another publication picked it up. Shoot,
Speaker 1: it doesn't say which one is. I'd like to give
Speaker 1: credit to the publication, but anyway, Oh, it was Grower, Greenhouse, Grow,
Speaker 1: Greenhouse Grow. So they talked about her, you know, advancement
Speaker 1: through all these internships. She's going to have a great career.
Speaker 1: I mean that resid Yeah.
Speaker 2: My goodness, and for someone that young too, Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4: So what was she like as a student, So her
Speaker 4: story is kind of interesting. I remember she took a
Speaker 4: class a couple of years ago, and I think maybe
Speaker 4: three or four weeks in the class, she's like, I don't.
Speaker 1: Think this is for me, that's right. I remember this story.
Speaker 1: I said, I said, well, what do you mean this
Speaker 1: isn't for you?
Speaker 4: And she said, well, yeah, you guys are always talking
Speaker 4: Latin names and all this stuff that I have no
Speaker 4: clue about. And I just told her, I said, look,
Speaker 4: give me, give it three more weeks, three more weeks.
Speaker 4: And during that three weeks, one of those classes we
Speaker 4: actually went to a garden. So I got her out
Speaker 4: in the garden and then she's like, well, this is
Speaker 4: really cool. I said, well, why did you come back Saturday,
Speaker 4: because I'm going to be working in the garden. And
Speaker 4: I said, you know, you can get some get some
Speaker 4: hands on. You know, horticulture's hands on. It's not as
Speaker 4: I mean, you can act demically study horticulture that works.
Speaker 4: But I think the miracle happened. I divided some plants
Speaker 4: in my garden and gave tour. We gave her some
Speaker 4: other plants from their gardens, took them home. I think
Speaker 4: she's from their Columbus area, and she planned with their
Speaker 4: mom's garden and that was it. Yes, once you touch
Speaker 4: the plant, once you get in the ground, and once
Speaker 4: you nurture it and care for it, you're hooked.
Speaker 1: The bug bites. Yeah, and off off she went. And
Speaker 1: and it's just, uh, not only in this world, in
Speaker 1: the green industry world and gardening, uh, but everywhere. It's
Speaker 1: so important for young people to understand you don't be
Speaker 1: afraid to go to older people, to the professionals and
Speaker 1: and talk to them and ask their advice and asked
Speaker 1: what opportunities are out there? And uh, you know you
Speaker 1: could the difference between the students, the young people who
Speaker 1: are willing to do that and the ones who don't
Speaker 1: do that is dramatic, very very dramatic.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think those relationships are really critical to our
Speaker 2: field uniquely because horticulture, gardening it's so much experience based.
Speaker 2: So the older you are as a gardener, you just
Speaker 2: have more reps, you have more seasons, you have more
Speaker 2: plants that you've grown and killed and you know figured
Speaker 2: out how to grow them.
Speaker 1: You know, you're compiling this body of knowledge and you
Speaker 1: know you're like I'm I've gardened forty years, I'm still
Speaker 1: getting better, you know, and you want to share that knowledge.
Speaker 1: So when somebody younger or newer comes to you and says, hey,
Speaker 1: what's going on here? I know myself and a lot
Speaker 1: of other people, most other gardeners and horticultures are more
Speaker 1: than happy to jump in. They are.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I really think that's that is the difference
Speaker 2: between people who you know, really advance in this field.
Speaker 2: You have to find the mentors, and if you're not
Speaker 2: a student, you don't have to go to school for horticulture.
Speaker 2: I didn't go to school for horticulture until after I
Speaker 2: had many years of experience in the field.
Speaker 1: And like five or six other degrees.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have other degrees, but yeah, I didn't fully
Speaker 2: commit to horticulture until I was in my thirties. I think,
Speaker 2: you know, I'm second career. But if I had connected
Speaker 2: with those people earlier on, you know, I, it would
Speaker 2: have made a big difference.
Speaker 1: I think, Yeah, we do have a caller. I think
Speaker 1: I might know who this is, Karen and Anderson Township.
Speaker 1: Hopefully we can squeeze in and answer to Karen's question,
Speaker 1: what you've got Karen.
Speaker 7: Hi Scott. Hi, good big show so far this morning.
Speaker 1: Well, thank you. It's all Jim and Sarah. Hi, Sarah, Karen, Hey, Karen, we.
Speaker 7: Have I have a new spot for some shrubs in
Speaker 7: the shade of that big beach tree. I'm not frontyard,
Speaker 7: and uh they get sun til about noon and then
Speaker 7: it's shade period, and uh, I need some evergreen shrubs
Speaker 7: to put there.
Speaker 1: Really have just a couple of minutes here, but I
Speaker 1: my first impulse is, uh maybe dire villa m you know,
Speaker 1: it's a tough, scrappy plant. I don't know how evergreen,
Speaker 1: not evergreen. No, I don't know of any evergreen options
Speaker 1: except you know, boxwoods, and I just can't recommend them,
Speaker 1: you know, I'll.
Speaker 2: Be honest, Karen. In our particular region evergreen and deep shade,
Speaker 2: dry shade. It's a it's a limited palette.
Speaker 1: We were one zone further self.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, So the.
Speaker 2: Most bulletproof options are going to be user boxwoods, boxwoods.
Speaker 2: You have to treat now that we have the moth.
Speaker 1: Ever low.
Speaker 4: U that's that's been a good doer. Okay, Okay, stays
Speaker 4: Low have pruned it. I know that I know Karen
Speaker 4: and she's got deer galory. Yeah, mark that one off
Speaker 4: the list, right.
Speaker 2: They might not kill it, but they'll prune.
Speaker 5: It for you.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think maybe maybe, yeah, going off the
Speaker 1: wall a little bit, maybe hadconic clo of grass which
Speaker 1: isn't evergreen, but it's it maintains it pretty look and
Speaker 1: it's okay one for dry shades, So that might be
Speaker 1: an option.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I haven't seen.
Speaker 1: It's called Japanese forest grass. Japanese forest grass con a medium.
Speaker 1: Some of the EPI mediums they're lower but low, some
Speaker 1: are taller.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they can take the root competition that your
Speaker 2: beach will will give.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: You know, I I haven't seen your site, Karen, but uh,
Speaker 2: a beach tree is a beautiful thing. The trunk is
Speaker 2: a beautiful thing, and you know, maybe just stick with
Speaker 2: those low perennials that can handle that. It's so challenging
Speaker 2: under you know, those big hardwood trees.
Speaker 1: Especially beach them and the beaches in Maple. Yeah, they
Speaker 1: have this thick surface roots and just makes it so
Speaker 1: hard and.
Speaker 2: You see them in the wild and there's really not
Speaker 2: a lot growing under the mature ones. If anything, some
Speaker 2: herbaceous plant.
Speaker 1: I think the only thing I've seen really grow well.
Speaker 1: Underneath is a bulb called Silla siberica, which isn't really
Speaker 1: well under those, but it's just an ephemeral bulb that
Speaker 1: comes out and it goes away. So a tough, tough,
Speaker 1: tough site, but the beach is worth having. When we
Speaker 1: come back, boy, we're gonna have some fun. Now, Joe
Speaker 1: Box joining us. We'll talk about what's happening out with
Speaker 1: past diseases or whatever Joe wants to talk about, right,
Speaker 1: so we'll enjoy that. Stay with us. You're listening to
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