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Speaker 1: And welcome back. You're listening to Let's Garden with Scott Berlin.

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Speaker 1: I'm here with Sarah Geiger Beam from Wimberg Landscaping and

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Speaker 1: with Jim Hansel from UC and what is it? Great Oaks,

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Speaker 1: Great Oaks Yep, yep, Great Oaks for Existance yep. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: You have Joe Boggs joining us in about an hour.

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Speaker 1: He's always fun. I don't know what he plans to

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Speaker 1: Jim or I was going to bring up something here,

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Speaker 1: let me get it back here. We were talking about

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Speaker 1: your your last plant, which you saw at the peted

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Speaker 1: out off Udolph Garden in Detroit, and three of my

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Speaker 1: plants came from that that visit as well. One is

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Speaker 1: an old one never I don't think popular, but such

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Speaker 1: a good, cool plant, Econops ritro. I think it's oh,

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Speaker 1: I love that, yeah, glow, yeah, great plant. And it's

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Speaker 1: not a thistle. It's an economics but it has this

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Speaker 1: round of flower head, pretty blue flowers, and you grow

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Speaker 2: I've grown platinum blue and this year I'm also growing

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Speaker 2: a white one, maybe Arctic snow or Arctic white. I

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Speaker 2: got them seeds from Gilido and man, you talk about

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Speaker 2: an easy seed to start. It germinates in just two

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Speaker 2: days or something. It grows easily in a plug tray

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Speaker 2: or in a pot. It was just bulletproof and the

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Speaker 2: landscape for the most partators came back after the first

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Speaker 2: winter with extended snowpack, and I mean it just has

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Speaker 2: performed like a champ. And it's that really pure blue

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Speaker 2: color that is difficult to get and the shape of

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Speaker 2: the flower. They're like these little lollipops that kind of

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Speaker 2: stick up out over everything and it blends well with

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Speaker 2: a lot of things.

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Speaker 1: It's an easy grower and the foliage kind of has

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Speaker 1: a little bit of a blue cast to it, a

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Speaker 1: little bit of a silvery and a little it's not spiny,

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Speaker 1: but it kay of looks a little.

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Speaker 2: The they call it globe thistle because the leaves do

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Speaker 2: look a bit like a thistle, which is not selling it.

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Speaker 2: And it is a courser look. It's not a super.

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Speaker 1: Tidy great to mix with finer it is.

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Speaker 2: It is great to mix. I made the mistake. I

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Speaker 2: put it kind of as a block planting, and I

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Speaker 2: wouldn't have I wouldn't do that again if I was

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Speaker 2: redesigning that, I would have put something finer textured kind

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Speaker 1: Gotcha. Also from the Udolph Garden Detroit, I saw again

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Speaker 1: in a favorite from a long time, for a long time,

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Speaker 1: Stokesia Peache's Peache's pick, I think is the cultivar and

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Speaker 1: it's it's sort of a bad name because it's not

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Speaker 1: peachy but more a solid blue. But the woman who

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Speaker 1: discovered the plant was named peachy. Oh okay, and that's

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Speaker 1: why the head fake on the color. Got it. And

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Speaker 1: then the last one was an alium that I hadn't

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Speaker 1: seen before Alium carrulatam pulchellum, which apparently is pretty fairly

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Speaker 1: available as a ball in the marketplace. It's called blue

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Speaker 1: globe onion and it's about the height of millennium less

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Speaker 1: and knee high. And the normally with an alium you

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Speaker 1: word on the street was it seeds around a little bit,

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Speaker 1: And you know, Pete out of and is certainly one

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Speaker 1: plants that that you that are fascinating plants. Yeah, Jim,

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Speaker 4: Cali Canthus Burgundy spice yes red foliage Cali Canthus. It's

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Speaker 4: and then as the leaves age they get really dark burgundy.

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Speaker 4: The first year in the garden, see what it does.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. That came out about at least five years ago,

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Speaker 4: I've only had it in the ground for maybe six

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Speaker 4: or eight weeks, but it looks good. It's not a

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Speaker 1: That's when I can never remember the common spicewu sweet trub.

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Speaker 1: And the flowers are very primitive looking. They're kind of

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Speaker 4: The flowers get lost in the foliage though, okay on

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Speaker 4: this one, just because the flower color is kind of

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Speaker 4: in the same color family as the foliage. But I'm

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Speaker 4: growing up for a folish play. I've got it planted

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Speaker 4: right next to a U. I know I shouldn't like us,

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Speaker 4: but I love us. I've got one called Wan Tong gold.

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Speaker 4: It's a gold leaf you. And I've got that next

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Speaker 4: some purple dark foliage plants throughout my garden. So I

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Speaker 1: I like that. Yeah, very cool. Yeah, and you, by

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Speaker 1: the way, you have a stunning garden. A little later on,

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Speaker 1: hopefully we'll have time to talk about that. And it's

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Speaker 1: bigger garden and I have small garden envy. Yeah, I understand.

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Speaker 1: You can make it so perfect.

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Speaker 4: I used to have big garden ivy, but yeah, I

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Speaker 4: tend a pretty big garden to Anderson, and it's like

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Speaker 4: as you get older, it's like, I think the small

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you're some pros to a small garden.

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Speaker 1: You have to be more disciplined. You can't keep adding plants.

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Speaker 1: I can't. But the plants you can put in can

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Speaker 1: be the very best, and you can play with it

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Speaker 1: make it perfect. Ye, Sarah, do you have another plant?

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Speaker 2: Stacis white whisper was at Walters. I missed that and

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Speaker 2: so it wasn't even in flower. It was past flower,

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Speaker 2: but the seed heads had a greenish sort of cast

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Speaker 2: and the texture was wonderful, So the flowering would be

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Speaker 2: a bonus. And it's a white flowering stackus. It looks

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Speaker 2: like a hamelo, which is a purple flowering variety that's

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Speaker 1: Scuses s T. A. C. H. Y s.

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Speaker 1: And the one you would know in the garden centers

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Speaker 1: is lambs.

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Speaker 2: Laser Lambser, but this doesn't really like a Lambsier, even

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Speaker 2: though it's in the same Geese.

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Speaker 1: They may know the common name for that one. I don't.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Betany, thank you, yeah, thank you. So this is

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Speaker 2: a white betany and the seed the seedheads are what caught.

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Speaker 1: My eye, which is a typical really yeahl does.

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Speaker 2: Not have seedheads that are going to turn. You know,

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Speaker 2: they're not offensive, they're fine, but I wouldn't call them ornamental.

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Speaker 2: And this one was really nice. And and Betany is

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Speaker 2: kind of a nice tidy plant that the seedheads and

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Speaker 2: the flowers are extremely upright. So there's just really good

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Speaker 2: texture going on. And in the display beds at Walter's Gardens,

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Speaker 2: big bold foliage that really set up off those seed

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Speaker 2: heads because you had the contrasting backdrop so they almost glowed.

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Speaker 2: And behind that they had pardon me, big bluestem Niagara Falls,

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Speaker 2: and those three plants together there was just such a

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Speaker 1: There were a lot of nice composition, so many, so

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Speaker 1: many ball and there were a couple of private gardens

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Speaker 1: One of my favorite plants in the whole wide world

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Speaker 1: is an annual grass Melinis Nerva gloomis ruby grass. I

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Speaker 1: fine textured foliage with a bluish cast, and you know,

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Speaker 1: it's not the most floriferous annual. It comes in a

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Speaker 1: in a rich ruby color and gradually fade out to pink.

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Speaker 1: suddenly it just fluffs out and it's so so good.

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Speaker 1: their own. They were really nice. They had that soft,

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Speaker 1: fluffy texture that later in the season. But they had

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Speaker 1: it planted with verbina dot bone Aiance is the tall verbena,

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Speaker 1: and what a combination that was. It was stunny, breathtaking.

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Speaker 2: It was one of my favorite plants at Ball yesterday.

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Speaker 2: The grass was stunning. I saw it from across the

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Speaker 1: Wow?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and works really well in naturalistic compositions, even though

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Speaker 2: it is an annual. They had this bed that was

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Speaker 2: it really really looked like one of those pollinator gardens,

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Speaker 2: just dreamy and the textures and the flows and the colors,

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Speaker 2: but it was with all Was it all annuals? I

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Speaker 2: think it was all annuals.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well back in the back of the bed, I

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Speaker 1: think they had some other things, but right where it

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Speaker 1: It was a great combination.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and with pretty traditional landscape plants. They had a

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Speaker 2: yellow toned marrigold, there was a seed variety verbina. I

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Speaker 2: forget what else they had in that bed, but.

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Speaker 1: Another grass of some kind of darker grass.

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Speaker 2: And then they had that upatorium elegant feather, which was

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Speaker 2: new to me, and ubitorium.

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Speaker 1: Let's say that one. We'll come back and we'll talk

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Speaker 1: about that because it was an exceptional plant that's worth

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Speaker 1: talking about. And then we'll also get into some timely

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Speaker 1: task things you should have done last week, especially Sarah

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Speaker 1: and I who were all were gone most of last week.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a long list.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, you are listening to that garden with Scott Berline.

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Speaker 5: Hey, Gary Salmon here from my friends at Rota Ruter

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Speaker 1: Yeah, welcome back. You are listening to Let's Garden Scott Berlin.

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Speaker 4: The biggest thing I need to get on and hopefully

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Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, there's so much I should have done

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Speaker 2: a problem in a month. Now, just knock them back.

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Speaker 2: I like the stirrup po I have a colinear hoe

433
00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:18,760
Speaker 2: which is kind of similar, which is good for knocking

434
00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:22,560
Speaker 2: down the smaller weeds. And I was a Peace Corps

435
00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:26,600
Speaker 2: volunteer in Paraguay. The machete is the Paraguay and Army

436
00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:29,920
Speaker 2: knife of the country.

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00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:32,480
Speaker 1: And the mother with two small children, you know, and.

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Speaker 2: You're kind of make fun of me, but I have

439
00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:38,879
Speaker 2: a deep love for a machete. And I before I left,

440
00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:42,040
Speaker 2: I walked around and you know, where the Canada golden

441
00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:45,719
Speaker 2: rod was coming up, where the ragweed was coming up.

442
00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:47,960
Speaker 2: I didn't have time to pull it, but I just

443
00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:51,920
Speaker 2: took this long handled machete that it goes. It's right

444
00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:54,240
Speaker 2: down to ground level. If I'm holding it at waste level,

445
00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:56,600
Speaker 2: and just if it's sharp, you just do a quick

446
00:26:56,600 --> 00:27:01,159
Speaker 2: little splash and that knocks it back. And you know,

447
00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:03,680
Speaker 2: if that's all you have time to do, that really

448
00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:04,800
Speaker 2: it does a lot.

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00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:09,520
Speaker 1: Yeah. Usually by this time of year, our turf is

450
00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:12,600
Speaker 1: just dormant. Yeah, it's just you know, and I like

451
00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:14,320
Speaker 1: it that way. I don't want to keep watering my

452
00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:16,280
Speaker 1: turf now, so let it go brown and dormant and

453
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:18,679
Speaker 1: just not worry about it for a little while. But

454
00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:23,320
Speaker 1: it's been it's been pretty consistent with rain, and I

455
00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:28,400
Speaker 1: was reminded the last few times that I've mowed it's

456
00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:32,320
Speaker 1: the importance of sharpening your blade. Yes, it's getting to wear.

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Speaker 5: You know.

458
00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:35,320
Speaker 1: If I make a curve, half of it's been cut

459
00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:40,359
Speaker 1: and the other half is still very tall, and that's frustrating.

460
00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:42,520
Speaker 1: You're like, I thought I hit that spot, you know,

461
00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:46,240
Speaker 1: because I'm stupid, I forget what's happening and why is it.

462
00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:51,000
Speaker 1: I was just there. I thought I was. I thought

463
00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:53,160
Speaker 1: I was. I thought I was doing a great job.

464
00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:56,000
Speaker 1: But I'm not. And it's not my fault. What is

465
00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:57,800
Speaker 1: my fault because they haven't sharpened my blade.

466
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Speaker 2: But sharp tools always.

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Speaker 1: And ironically they're always safer too, Yeah, for sure, working

468
00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:07,040
Speaker 1: less hard with them, less fatigue. Yeah, they're doing the.

469
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Speaker 2: Job with the machete. Like people joke it's crazy dangerous,

470
00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:12,920
Speaker 2: but if you have a really short machete, you do

471
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:16,159
Speaker 2: not need much force. It's really just kind of like

472
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Speaker 2: light easy. You use the motion of the blade. And

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Speaker 2: I actually this is going to sound crazy. I think

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Speaker 2: it's a decent tool for older people that don't want

475
00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:30,720
Speaker 2: to bend down. If you get a machete that sized

476
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:35,280
Speaker 2: to your height. I'm lucky in this because I'm shorter,

477
00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:36,920
Speaker 2: so I'm closer to the ground. I don't need a

478
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:38,200
Speaker 2: crazy long machete.

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Speaker 5: Uh.

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Speaker 2: You know it works if you don't have to use

481
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Speaker 2: a lot of muscle.

482
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Speaker 1: And you know that's the thing with every great tool,

483
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:49,760
Speaker 1: and a great reminder that when when you're using a tool,

484
00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:52,800
Speaker 1: let the tool do the work. Let the tool. You're

485
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:56,440
Speaker 1: chainsawing a branch, you know, in psychic motion you can

486
00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:59,280
Speaker 1: push and push and push. It doesn't work any better

487
00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:03,600
Speaker 1: than if you just the chainsaw make the cut. Right.

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00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:07,240
Speaker 1: Along with that, I have another one where to go wrong?

489
00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:12,200
Speaker 1: Mouse Oh, a job that we shouldn't be doing right now.

490
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:15,360
Speaker 1: So a job we should have done a few weeks

491
00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:18,760
Speaker 1: ago maybe and should not do anymore this summer, And

492
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:22,760
Speaker 1: that is fertilizing most things. Anyway. You might want to

493
00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:27,240
Speaker 1: still continue fertilizing containers, maybe some vegetables and things like that,

494
00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:31,560
Speaker 1: but anything perennial or especially woody plants not a great

495
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:33,200
Speaker 1: idea because you're going to do what you're going to

496
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:36,080
Speaker 1: push new growth growth and go into fall or winter

497
00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:43,280
Speaker 1: with that unhardened off tissue and it could be damaged

498
00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:47,440
Speaker 1: or severely damaged. So you don't want to be throwing

499
00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:49,040
Speaker 1: a bunch of fertilizer out. I might want to be

500
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Speaker 1: very careful about what you.

501
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Speaker 2: Do for a living, and especially if we get our

502
00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:55,880
Speaker 2: typical late season droughts, if you're pushing a whole lot

503
00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:58,760
Speaker 2: of growth, that's just making it harder for the plant

504
00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:02,840
Speaker 2: to sustain and all of that growth with the roots

505
00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:05,440
Speaker 2: that it has, so you know, they want to kind

506
00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:08,120
Speaker 2: of slow down when things get hot and dry, and

507
00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:11,360
Speaker 2: you don't want to override that by just dumping a

508
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Speaker 2: bunch of fertilizer on them.

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Speaker 1: Definitely, jim one more and then we'll move on.

510
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Speaker 4: Well, I'm going to kind of steal one that we

511
00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:22,360
Speaker 4: talked about during the break. It's time to start ordering bulbs.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

514
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Speaker 1: Time came up on as quick as it always does.

515
00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:27,240
Speaker 1: It always does.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so this is a perfect time to get those

517
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Speaker 4: bulb catalogs out and start dreaming for February, March, and April.

518
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Speaker 1: And if you can remember where they are, Yeah, it's

519
00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:39,280
Speaker 1: a good time to go back and dig them up

520
00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:42,200
Speaker 1: and bite them. You know what I'm gonna do next year.

521
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:44,680
Speaker 1: I always say this, I am going to do this.

522
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Speaker 1: I'm going to.

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Speaker 4: Order some marking flags and I'm going to write on

524
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Speaker 4: that flag what it is for the ones that I

525
00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:52,600
Speaker 4: need to move and just stick in the middle of

526
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Speaker 4: my clump of bulbs next year.

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Speaker 1: Colored golf teas are really great for that. You could

528
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Speaker 1: put the green in.

529
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Speaker 2: What a good idea?

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00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:02,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know you can. You can't. I don't like

531
00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:04,800
Speaker 1: a flag because it shows too much or whatever. But

532
00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:06,320
Speaker 1: it's going to get a green flag and write a

533
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Speaker 1: little name on it. We were looking at some flags

534
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Speaker 1: in the meadow at the Oudolph Garden and they were

535
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Speaker 1: there to mark some thing that was going to be done,

536
00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:19,200
Speaker 1: and I was I was joking that, look how how

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Speaker 1: they precisely placed the flags that add just a perfect

538
00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:28,760
Speaker 1: color in each spot? Right, So but anyway, yeah, if

539
00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:32,000
Speaker 1: you can, you know, mark them down. And you know

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00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:34,840
Speaker 1: I always mean to do it. But like when those

541
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:39,040
Speaker 1: daffodils are there, take a picture, yes, make a reminder,

542
00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:42,040
Speaker 1: put it on the calendar to go and and dig

543
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:43,280
Speaker 1: those up and move them around.

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Speaker 4: I sketched my garden out on an iPad, so I

545
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Speaker 4: try to mark it on my iPad so I can

546
00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:49,560
Speaker 4: at least come back, and they're not there.

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Speaker 1: Okay, they're kind of in this area, so actually you

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Speaker 1: have one more.

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Speaker 2: Let's see. No not, You're good, Yeah, hanging, I'm going

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Speaker 2: to leave you.

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00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:05,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, We'll go ahead and take a break,

552
00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:08,520
Speaker 1: and uh, when we come back, we're going to talk

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Speaker 1: about a student of yours, Jim, and a friend of yours. Uh, Sarah, Sarah,

554
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:19,400
Speaker 1: that's right, yeah, Sarah, And somebody I'm really fond of

555
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:24,680
Speaker 1: and have done an interview with for Horticulture magazine. Will

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Speaker 1: do that when we get back in just a minute.

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Speaker 1: And welcome back. You're listening to Let's Guard with Scott Berlin.

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Speaker 1: Our number is eight hundred eighty two three eighty two

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Speaker 1: fifty five. I'm here with Sarah Geiger beIN landscape designer

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00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:18,000
Speaker 1: with Wimberg Landscaping and Jim Hansel with Great Oaks and

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Speaker 1: adjunct professor of Horticulture at the University of Cincinnati. And

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00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:28,280
Speaker 1: as such, I thought I saw somebody stole my idea.

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00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:32,960
Speaker 1: So Trinity Toby is a friend of all overs, a

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Speaker 1: student of yours, and just a really impressive young lady

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00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:44,160
Speaker 1: who got her degree in horticulture, but more importantly, with

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00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:48,440
Speaker 1: the help of you and Christone and other people in town.

585
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:52,959
Speaker 1: And she's not afraid to ask for help. Now she's

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00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:58,399
Speaker 1: out there pushing her her future and she has got

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Speaker 1: She got a an internship at Chinicleer, which is one

588
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:06,839
Speaker 1: of the greatest gardens in the country last summer, I believe, yes,

589
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:09,360
Speaker 1: last summer. Yeah. And then she came back worked at

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00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:13,680
Speaker 1: Spring Grove where you works era. Uh for just this

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00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:16,800
Speaker 1: last yeah, good for her. She needed yeah, she needed

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00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:21,000
Speaker 1: one more class actually and uh. And then she got

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00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:24,680
Speaker 1: a very prestigious internship at what is it Great Dicks

594
00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:28,280
Speaker 1: straight Dickster in England. But anyway, I got the chance

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Speaker 1: to interview her for my horticulture magazine column last summer,

596
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Speaker 1: and I think that was printed in Winter or Spring

597
00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:41,680
Speaker 1: in the spring issue, but another publication picked it up. Shoot,

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Speaker 1: it doesn't say which one is. I'd like to give

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Speaker 1: credit to the publication, but anyway, Oh, it was Grower, Greenhouse, Grow,

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Speaker 1: Greenhouse Grow. So they talked about her, you know, advancement

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Speaker 1: through all these internships. She's going to have a great career.

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00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:01,120
Speaker 1: I mean that resid Yeah.

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00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:04,520
Speaker 2: My goodness, and for someone that young too, Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 4: So what was she like as a student, So her

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00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:11,920
Speaker 4: story is kind of interesting. I remember she took a

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Speaker 4: class a couple of years ago, and I think maybe

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00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:16,880
Speaker 4: three or four weeks in the class, she's like, I don't.

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00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:19,680
Speaker 1: Think this is for me, that's right. I remember this story.

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00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:22,319
Speaker 1: I said, I said, well, what do you mean this

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Speaker 1: isn't for you?

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Speaker 4: And she said, well, yeah, you guys are always talking

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Speaker 4: Latin names and all this stuff that I have no

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Speaker 4: clue about. And I just told her, I said, look,

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Speaker 4: give me, give it three more weeks, three more weeks.

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00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:38,040
Speaker 4: And during that three weeks, one of those classes we

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Speaker 4: actually went to a garden. So I got her out

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Speaker 4: in the garden and then she's like, well, this is

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Speaker 4: really cool. I said, well, why did you come back Saturday,

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Speaker 4: because I'm going to be working in the garden. And

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Speaker 4: I said, you know, you can get some get some

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Speaker 4: hands on. You know, horticulture's hands on. It's not as

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Speaker 4: I mean, you can act demically study horticulture that works.

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Speaker 4: But I think the miracle happened. I divided some plants

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Speaker 4: in my garden and gave tour. We gave her some

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00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:10,759
Speaker 4: other plants from their gardens, took them home. I think

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Speaker 4: she's from their Columbus area, and she planned with their

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Speaker 4: mom's garden and that was it. Yes, once you touch

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Speaker 4: the plant, once you get in the ground, and once

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Speaker 4: you nurture it and care for it, you're hooked.

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Speaker 1: The bug bites. Yeah, and off off she went. And

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Speaker 1: and it's just, uh, not only in this world, in

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Speaker 1: the green industry world and gardening, uh, but everywhere. It's

633
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:37,520
Speaker 1: so important for young people to understand you don't be

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Speaker 1: afraid to go to older people, to the professionals and

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Speaker 1: and talk to them and ask their advice and asked

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Speaker 1: what opportunities are out there? And uh, you know you

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00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:52,719
Speaker 1: could the difference between the students, the young people who

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00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:54,839
Speaker 1: are willing to do that and the ones who don't

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00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:58,880
Speaker 1: do that is dramatic, very very dramatic.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I think those relationships are really critical to our

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00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:09,640
Speaker 2: field uniquely because horticulture, gardening it's so much experience based.

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00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:13,520
Speaker 2: So the older you are as a gardener, you just

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00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:16,000
Speaker 2: have more reps, you have more seasons, you have more

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Speaker 2: plants that you've grown and killed and you know figured

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Speaker 2: out how to grow them.

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Speaker 1: You know, you're compiling this body of knowledge and you

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Speaker 1: know you're like I'm I've gardened forty years, I'm still

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Speaker 1: getting better, you know, and you want to share that knowledge.

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Speaker 1: So when somebody younger or newer comes to you and says, hey,

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Speaker 1: what's going on here? I know myself and a lot

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Speaker 1: of other people, most other gardeners and horticultures are more

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Speaker 1: than happy to jump in. They are.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I really think that's that is the difference

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Speaker 2: between people who you know, really advance in this field.

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Speaker 2: You have to find the mentors, and if you're not

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Speaker 2: a student, you don't have to go to school for horticulture.

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Speaker 2: I didn't go to school for horticulture until after I

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Speaker 2: had many years of experience in the field.

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Speaker 1: And like five or six other degrees.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I have other degrees, but yeah, I didn't fully

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Speaker 2: commit to horticulture until I was in my thirties. I think,

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Speaker 2: you know, I'm second career. But if I had connected

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Speaker 2: with those people earlier on, you know, I, it would

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Speaker 2: have made a big difference.

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Speaker 1: I think, Yeah, we do have a caller. I think

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Speaker 1: I might know who this is, Karen and Anderson Township.

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Speaker 1: Hopefully we can squeeze in and answer to Karen's question,

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Speaker 1: what you've got Karen.

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Speaker 7: Hi Scott. Hi, good big show so far this morning.

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Speaker 1: Well, thank you. It's all Jim and Sarah. Hi, Sarah, Karen, Hey, Karen, we.

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Speaker 7: Have I have a new spot for some shrubs in

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Speaker 7: the shade of that big beach tree. I'm not frontyard,

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Speaker 7: and uh they get sun til about noon and then

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Speaker 7: it's shade period, and uh, I need some evergreen shrubs

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Speaker 7: to put there.

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Speaker 1: Really have just a couple of minutes here, but I

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Speaker 1: my first impulse is, uh maybe dire villa m you know,

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Speaker 1: it's a tough, scrappy plant. I don't know how evergreen,

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Speaker 1: not evergreen. No, I don't know of any evergreen options

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Speaker 1: except you know, boxwoods, and I just can't recommend them,

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Speaker 1: you know, I'll.

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Speaker 2: Be honest, Karen. In our particular region evergreen and deep shade,

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Speaker 2: dry shade. It's a it's a limited palette.

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Speaker 1: We were one zone further self.

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Speaker 3: Yes, yes, So the.

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Speaker 2: Most bulletproof options are going to be user boxwoods, boxwoods.

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Speaker 2: You have to treat now that we have the moth.

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Speaker 1: Ever low.

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Speaker 4: U that's that's been a good doer. Okay, Okay, stays

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Speaker 4: Low have pruned it. I know that I know Karen

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Speaker 4: and she's got deer galory. Yeah, mark that one off

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Speaker 4: the list, right.

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Speaker 2: They might not kill it, but they'll prune.

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Speaker 5: It for you.

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Speaker 1: I'm trying to think maybe maybe, yeah, going off the

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Speaker 1: wall a little bit, maybe hadconic clo of grass which

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Speaker 1: isn't evergreen, but it's it maintains it pretty look and

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Speaker 1: it's okay one for dry shades, So that might be

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Speaker 1: an option.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I haven't seen.

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Speaker 1: It's called Japanese forest grass. Japanese forest grass con a medium.

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Speaker 1: Some of the EPI mediums they're lower but low, some

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Speaker 1: are taller.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and they can take the root competition that your

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Speaker 2: beach will will give.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: You know, I I haven't seen your site, Karen, but uh,

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Speaker 2: a beach tree is a beautiful thing. The trunk is

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Speaker 2: a beautiful thing, and you know, maybe just stick with

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Speaker 2: those low perennials that can handle that. It's so challenging

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Speaker 2: under you know, those big hardwood trees.

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Speaker 1: Especially beach them and the beaches in Maple. Yeah, they

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Speaker 1: have this thick surface roots and just makes it so

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Speaker 1: hard and.

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Speaker 2: You see them in the wild and there's really not

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Speaker 2: a lot growing under the mature ones. If anything, some

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Speaker 2: herbaceous plant.

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Speaker 1: I think the only thing I've seen really grow well.

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Speaker 1: Underneath is a bulb called Silla siberica, which isn't really

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Speaker 1: well under those, but it's just an ephemeral bulb that

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Speaker 1: comes out and it goes away. So a tough, tough,

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Speaker 1: tough site, but the beach is worth having. When we

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Speaker 1: come back, boy, we're gonna have some fun. Now, Joe

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Speaker 1: Box joining us. We'll talk about what's happening out with

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Speaker 1: past diseases or whatever Joe wants to talk about, right,

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Speaker 1: so we'll enjoy that. Stay with us. You're listening to

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Speaker 1: Let's Garden with Scott Burline

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