1 00:00:01,320 --> 00:00:06,320 Speaker 1: It's Night Side with Dan Ray on WBS Boston's news radio. 2 00:00:06,800 --> 00:00:09,520 Speaker 2: Thank you, Al Griffin. As we head into this beautiful 3 00:00:09,560 --> 00:00:13,760 Speaker 2: fall weekend, there may not be many more beautiful fall weekends, 4 00:00:13,800 --> 00:00:17,400 Speaker 2: because obviously winter is going to be moving in at 5 00:00:17,400 --> 00:00:21,000 Speaker 2: some point, hopefully later than sooner, but it could be 6 00:00:21,079 --> 00:00:24,560 Speaker 2: sooner than later, as it often is. Its want here 7 00:00:24,600 --> 00:00:28,360 Speaker 2: in Massachusetts, we had all over the Northeast wherever you were, 8 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:31,160 Speaker 2: within the sound of our voices and so my voice. 9 00:00:31,200 --> 00:00:34,560 Speaker 2: So I thought we would spend a little time tonight 10 00:00:34,760 --> 00:00:39,240 Speaker 2: on what your plans are to keep your energy bill lower. 11 00:00:39,360 --> 00:00:42,760 Speaker 2: Last winter we saw a huge spike in energy costs 12 00:00:42,840 --> 00:00:46,040 Speaker 2: and as a result, perhaps not as a direct result, 13 00:00:46,120 --> 00:00:48,760 Speaker 2: but cuarly as a result, two of the DPU commissioners, 14 00:00:48,800 --> 00:00:53,080 Speaker 2: who and I believe I forget which utility it was, 15 00:00:53,120 --> 00:00:56,920 Speaker 2: they actually the DPU commissioners last year, actually gave a 16 00:00:57,000 --> 00:01:01,080 Speaker 2: greater increase to one of the energy provide us here 17 00:01:01,120 --> 00:01:04,080 Speaker 2: in Massachusetts that they had requested. Now I think all 18 00:01:04,160 --> 00:01:08,360 Speaker 2: of us understand, or we should understand, that the energy 19 00:01:08,400 --> 00:01:15,240 Speaker 2: providers here in Massachusetts they have a huge responsibility. You 20 00:01:15,280 --> 00:01:18,840 Speaker 2: could say, well, if in the middle of January there's 21 00:01:18,880 --> 00:01:23,160 Speaker 2: no energy or people have not planned well enough, and 22 00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:27,119 Speaker 2: you can't get heat for your home, whether it's again 23 00:01:27,160 --> 00:01:31,679 Speaker 2: it's oil or gas or electrical or whatever. At that 24 00:01:31,720 --> 00:01:33,520 Speaker 2: point you say, I don't care what I have to pay. 25 00:01:34,080 --> 00:01:38,000 Speaker 2: But on the other hand, most of us realize that 26 00:01:38,120 --> 00:01:41,840 Speaker 2: the energy is there, the heat is there because of 27 00:01:41,880 --> 00:01:47,360 Speaker 2: planning that has been done by the companies. But there's 28 00:01:47,400 --> 00:01:53,240 Speaker 2: this normal tug and pull between the politicians and the 29 00:01:53,280 --> 00:01:57,280 Speaker 2: companies and between the consumers or amongst now the consumers 30 00:01:57,280 --> 00:02:01,120 Speaker 2: and the politicians, And that's the reality. In order for 31 00:02:01,320 --> 00:02:04,280 Speaker 2: whatever whoever your provider is, and I don't care whatever 32 00:02:04,360 --> 00:02:06,120 Speaker 2: the name of your provider is, they're all in the 33 00:02:06,160 --> 00:02:08,760 Speaker 2: same situation. They have to make sure that they have 34 00:02:08,840 --> 00:02:14,480 Speaker 2: adequate supplies so that they can provide the energy necessary 35 00:02:14,560 --> 00:02:21,000 Speaker 2: to keep your home warm. You can adjust your thermostats somewhat, 36 00:02:21,600 --> 00:02:24,520 Speaker 2: and again you can't turn it down to forty degrees, 37 00:02:24,600 --> 00:02:28,200 Speaker 2: but you can make it seventy one instead of seventy five, 38 00:02:28,400 --> 00:02:31,440 Speaker 2: or you can make it sixty eight instead of seventy one. 39 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:34,320 Speaker 2: But there's a bit of a controversy, and I think 40 00:02:34,320 --> 00:02:39,240 Speaker 2: you're going to hear more of it. The governor of 41 00:02:39,280 --> 00:02:42,440 Speaker 2: Massachusetts took a lot of heat last year. And remember 42 00:02:43,440 --> 00:02:49,600 Speaker 2: she had this, She took the utility companies, the energy providers, 43 00:02:50,160 --> 00:02:53,880 Speaker 2: and threatened them, and they supposedly gave back some money 44 00:02:55,200 --> 00:02:57,080 Speaker 2: to people. Wasn't a lot of money. I don't know 45 00:02:57,120 --> 00:02:59,080 Speaker 2: how many of you got it. I don't recall getting 46 00:02:59,120 --> 00:03:02,560 Speaker 2: it in my my bills, my energy bills. But that's okay. 47 00:03:02,600 --> 00:03:05,840 Speaker 2: It was a small amount of money compared to what 48 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:10,280 Speaker 2: I was paying. But all of those DPU commissioners who 49 00:03:10,360 --> 00:03:15,799 Speaker 2: last November approved the rate hike requests, two of them 50 00:03:15,840 --> 00:03:19,240 Speaker 2: now have have moved on that have been replaced by 51 00:03:19,240 --> 00:03:22,520 Speaker 2: the governor. It was done, I believe in August. It 52 00:03:22,639 --> 00:03:28,440 Speaker 2: wasn't a high profile move. However, the governor did this 53 00:03:28,480 --> 00:03:31,840 Speaker 2: week send a letter to the state regulators who she 54 00:03:31,880 --> 00:03:34,920 Speaker 2: appointed to the Department of Public Utilities. There's only three, 55 00:03:36,320 --> 00:03:40,440 Speaker 2: basically telling them that they're facing a November first deadline 56 00:03:40,480 --> 00:03:44,000 Speaker 2: to approve winter gas rates, which could rise again, making 57 00:03:44,040 --> 00:03:49,800 Speaker 2: for another expensive heating season. So there's some video going 58 00:03:49,840 --> 00:03:54,400 Speaker 2: around that actually was put into place today by one 59 00:03:54,440 --> 00:03:58,640 Speaker 2: of the Republican candidates running for governor, and they've called 60 00:03:58,680 --> 00:04:02,800 Speaker 2: into question. Mike Kanneely's campaign has called into question whether 61 00:04:02,880 --> 00:04:08,320 Speaker 2: or not the governor is being as forthright as she should. 62 00:04:09,080 --> 00:04:15,440 Speaker 2: Back in twenty twenty two, the governor was quoted on camera, 63 00:04:16,360 --> 00:04:20,640 Speaker 2: I'll play that for you in a second, saying that 64 00:04:20,760 --> 00:04:25,400 Speaker 2: she had stopped two gas pipelines. Now today her position 65 00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:28,000 Speaker 2: as governor seems to be quite different. So I'm going 66 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:30,839 Speaker 2: to play this sound by First off, it only lasts 67 00:04:30,880 --> 00:04:35,359 Speaker 2: nineteen seconds, but it has been being used by the 68 00:04:35,400 --> 00:04:40,240 Speaker 2: Canadian campaign. It's also being used by the Mass Fiscal Alliance. 69 00:04:40,880 --> 00:04:43,159 Speaker 2: I'm not sure which, but I have checked it out. 70 00:04:43,400 --> 00:04:46,720 Speaker 2: These are legitimate statements. Now, they're not long statements, so 71 00:04:46,839 --> 00:04:51,080 Speaker 2: I can't guarantee the context is totally correct, but they're 72 00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:54,320 Speaker 2: pretty definitive. First you hear the governor saying that today 73 00:04:55,160 --> 00:04:58,479 Speaker 2: she's going to do everything she can to keep rates down. 74 00:04:59,040 --> 00:05:02,800 Speaker 2: But then you will here a second segment where in 75 00:05:02,880 --> 00:05:07,080 Speaker 2: twenty twenty two, while she was Attorney General and in 76 00:05:07,160 --> 00:05:11,520 Speaker 2: anticipation of running for governor, she made it quite clear 77 00:05:13,400 --> 00:05:15,680 Speaker 2: that matter of fact, it was in the campaign now 78 00:05:15,680 --> 00:05:17,760 Speaker 2: that I think about it, because she was elected in 79 00:05:17,839 --> 00:05:21,240 Speaker 2: twenty twenty two, made it quite clear that she had 80 00:05:21,279 --> 00:05:25,080 Speaker 2: stopped pipeline pipeline. So the first twelve seconds are Governor 81 00:05:25,120 --> 00:05:29,000 Speaker 2: Heey today and the next seven seconds are then Attorney 82 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:32,760 Speaker 2: General Healey running for governor and the position seemed to 83 00:05:32,800 --> 00:05:36,960 Speaker 2: be inconsistent mildly. Let's play cut twenty one, please, Rob. 84 00:05:37,320 --> 00:05:41,400 Speaker 3: I'm very focused on loring costs for residents for businesses. 85 00:05:41,720 --> 00:05:45,800 Speaker 3: That includes energy costs. One thing we don't need is 86 00:05:45,960 --> 00:05:49,440 Speaker 3: energy supply to our region cut off, and unfortunately that's 87 00:05:49,440 --> 00:05:53,400 Speaker 3: what we're seeing by the Trump administration. Remember I stopped 88 00:05:53,480 --> 00:05:55,720 Speaker 3: two gas pipelines from coming into this state. 89 00:05:56,880 --> 00:05:59,920 Speaker 2: Remember I stopped two gas pipelines from coming into this day. 90 00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:02,839 Speaker 2: Wouldn't it be nice if we had those two gas 91 00:06:02,839 --> 00:06:06,200 Speaker 2: pipelines Now, I went back and found a story out 92 00:06:06,200 --> 00:06:10,240 Speaker 2: of the Boston Globe on May twelfth to support what 93 00:06:10,279 --> 00:06:13,039 Speaker 2: I'm suggesting tonight. This is a piece that was written 94 00:06:13,080 --> 00:06:16,600 Speaker 2: by Sabrina Shankman and the Boston Globe on May twelfth, 95 00:06:16,760 --> 00:06:18,680 Speaker 2: twenty twenty two. It would have been just a few 96 00:06:18,760 --> 00:06:24,560 Speaker 2: days after that statement that then Attorney General mar Heley made. 97 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:27,680 Speaker 2: So the article begins Attorney General mar Healey, who two 98 00:06:27,720 --> 00:06:30,720 Speaker 2: years ago prompted the state to begin mapping the phase 99 00:06:30,760 --> 00:06:35,599 Speaker 2: out of natural gas in Massachusetts, is now asking it 100 00:06:35,680 --> 00:06:40,240 Speaker 2: to scrap the blueprint. Emerging from the process, saying it 101 00:06:40,400 --> 00:06:46,360 Speaker 2: favors gas company profits over a healthy climate. The governors, 102 00:06:46,760 --> 00:06:50,400 Speaker 2: then the Attorney General is quoted as saying we should 103 00:06:50,480 --> 00:06:55,360 Speaker 2: be setting the path for an energy system that is equitable, reliable, 104 00:06:55,760 --> 00:06:59,559 Speaker 2: and affordable, not one that pumps more money into gas 105 00:06:59,600 --> 00:07:04,520 Speaker 2: pipeline and props up utility shareholders, said Healey, who is 106 00:07:04,600 --> 00:07:08,000 Speaker 2: running for governor. A one hundred and six page document 107 00:07:08,080 --> 00:07:11,640 Speaker 2: filed with the state Department of Public Utilities late last week. 108 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:15,880 Speaker 2: This again is in May of twenty two. Healey said 109 00:07:16,880 --> 00:07:21,120 Speaker 2: the agency's decision making process should be overhauled to prioritize 110 00:07:21,400 --> 00:07:25,960 Speaker 2: climate goals over the health of utilities, currently one of 111 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:32,120 Speaker 2: its functions. So the governor will be seeing I suspect 112 00:07:32,280 --> 00:07:36,000 Speaker 2: plenty of ads this winter from the Republicans who are 113 00:07:36,320 --> 00:07:39,920 Speaker 2: seeking the Republican nomination. Remember, the next governor's race is 114 00:07:39,960 --> 00:07:44,040 Speaker 2: not this fall, its next fall. It's so thirteen months away. 115 00:07:44,960 --> 00:07:48,080 Speaker 2: Thirteen months from now, Governor Healey will have stood for 116 00:07:48,160 --> 00:07:51,040 Speaker 2: reelection and either been re elected or turned out of office. 117 00:07:51,400 --> 00:07:54,280 Speaker 2: But I just want to open up the phone lines 118 00:07:54,360 --> 00:07:58,800 Speaker 2: and get a sense from all of you, how tough 119 00:07:58,840 --> 00:08:00,200 Speaker 2: do you think it's going to be. This win I 120 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:03,000 Speaker 2: think it's going to be really tough. I think we 121 00:08:03,040 --> 00:08:08,720 Speaker 2: are going to see some power shortages uh and and 122 00:08:08,800 --> 00:08:12,120 Speaker 2: I think we're going to see some higher power bills. 123 00:08:12,200 --> 00:08:17,560 Speaker 2: And the politicians will blame the utility companies because because 124 00:08:17,600 --> 00:08:21,960 Speaker 2: the politicians have not done their job looking into the 125 00:08:21,960 --> 00:08:25,240 Speaker 2: crystal ball of the future, there was a real push 126 00:08:25,600 --> 00:08:29,000 Speaker 2: to get rid of anything that's fossil fuels related. And 127 00:08:29,040 --> 00:08:31,000 Speaker 2: we're going to pay a price for that, whether we 128 00:08:31,240 --> 00:08:34,480 Speaker 2: like it or not. Six one seven, two, five, four 129 00:08:34,600 --> 00:08:37,920 Speaker 2: ten thirty six one seven nine three one ten thirty. 130 00:08:38,640 --> 00:08:41,040 Speaker 2: What are your hopes for this winter? Other than moving 131 00:08:41,080 --> 00:08:43,679 Speaker 2: to Florida? What are your hopes for this winter? How 132 00:08:43,720 --> 00:08:45,040 Speaker 2: will you keep your bill down? 133 00:08:45,559 --> 00:08:45,679 Speaker 4: Uh? 134 00:08:45,960 --> 00:08:49,720 Speaker 2: Or can you Obviously you can't control the weather. You 135 00:08:49,760 --> 00:08:53,960 Speaker 2: can control your thermostat, you can control some conditions in 136 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:56,839 Speaker 2: your home. Let's talk about some tips where we can 137 00:08:56,880 --> 00:09:00,440 Speaker 2: all help each other save some money. Six seven, four, 138 00:09:00,480 --> 00:09:03,679 Speaker 2: ten thirty six seven, nine thirty. My name is Dan Ray, 139 00:09:03,720 --> 00:09:05,600 Speaker 2: and this is Nightside, coming right back. 140 00:09:06,840 --> 00:09:12,000 Speaker 1: Night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ, Boston's news radio. 141 00:09:12,559 --> 00:09:15,840 Speaker 2: So we're talking about utility rates this winter, and I 142 00:09:15,920 --> 00:09:19,040 Speaker 2: fear they are going up. And we talked last hour 143 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:23,680 Speaker 2: with Matt Ben's of ACU Weather joining us now is 144 00:09:23,760 --> 00:09:27,800 Speaker 2: the candidate one of the three candidates who are running 145 00:09:27,880 --> 00:09:32,240 Speaker 2: for the Republican nomination. Mike Kenneely, Mike, welcome to Nightside. 146 00:09:32,240 --> 00:09:32,800 Speaker 2: How are you, sir? 147 00:09:33,679 --> 00:09:36,560 Speaker 5: Hey Dan Graat with you? Thank you? 148 00:09:36,640 --> 00:09:40,800 Speaker 2: Well, you have jumped on this issue and the apparent 149 00:09:40,920 --> 00:09:45,920 Speaker 2: contradictions of what the governor was doing while attorney general 150 00:09:45,960 --> 00:09:48,440 Speaker 2: and what she is saying now. Is there any way 151 00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:53,200 Speaker 2: to reconcile those those seemingly conflicting statements in your mind? 152 00:09:54,440 --> 00:09:56,880 Speaker 5: Well? I don't think so. I mean three years ago. 153 00:09:57,840 --> 00:09:59,959 Speaker 5: I think it was in a debate or some kind 154 00:09:59,960 --> 00:10:03,520 Speaker 5: of a form before she was running for governor. She said, 155 00:10:03,640 --> 00:10:07,400 Speaker 5: remember I shut down two natural gas pipelines. I guess, 156 00:10:07,400 --> 00:10:09,680 Speaker 5: trying to force for her audience how serious she was 157 00:10:09,679 --> 00:10:12,040 Speaker 5: about shutting down natural gas in Massachusetts. 158 00:10:12,120 --> 00:10:14,360 Speaker 2: Yeah. By the way, that was when she was running 159 00:10:14,360 --> 00:10:17,800 Speaker 2: for governor, because that was according to the timestamp on 160 00:10:17,840 --> 00:10:20,520 Speaker 2: the sound bite, it was April of twenty two, and that. 161 00:10:20,760 --> 00:10:22,800 Speaker 5: Well there you go, yeah, yeah, right for governor. 162 00:10:23,240 --> 00:10:25,000 Speaker 2: She's running for the governor. And I don't know if 163 00:10:25,040 --> 00:10:29,120 Speaker 2: it was at a full blown gubernatorial debate or but right, 164 00:10:29,240 --> 00:10:32,360 Speaker 2: that was her position then and. 165 00:10:32,880 --> 00:10:35,000 Speaker 5: That's right, that's right. So she wanted the audience to 166 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:37,520 Speaker 5: know she was shutting down national gas pipelines. And then 167 00:10:37,559 --> 00:10:40,839 Speaker 5: earlier this week, I had said she's serious about the 168 00:10:40,840 --> 00:10:44,360 Speaker 5: fact that gas and energy's too expensive and she's in 169 00:10:44,400 --> 00:10:48,680 Speaker 5: favor of bringing more supply in and also said that 170 00:10:48,760 --> 00:10:52,320 Speaker 5: she's always been a favorite more supply. And so we 171 00:10:52,360 --> 00:10:54,320 Speaker 5: looked at those two quotes side by side, the quote 172 00:10:54,360 --> 00:10:57,079 Speaker 5: three years ago, you know, bragging about shutting down pipelines, 173 00:10:57,080 --> 00:10:59,320 Speaker 5: and the quote this week saying she was never in 174 00:10:59,360 --> 00:11:03,440 Speaker 5: favor of shutting down supply. And so, to answer your question, Dan, 175 00:11:03,679 --> 00:11:07,199 Speaker 5: you can't explain it. I guess maybe one explanation that 176 00:11:07,320 --> 00:11:09,160 Speaker 5: started to be a little cynical here is that just 177 00:11:09,320 --> 00:11:13,199 Speaker 5: did two different elections to a very different political contexts. 178 00:11:13,840 --> 00:11:16,440 Speaker 5: But I really think leaders owe it to be candid 179 00:11:17,040 --> 00:11:20,920 Speaker 5: with the voters and speak clearly and not contradict themselves 180 00:11:20,920 --> 00:11:22,839 Speaker 5: that way and not try to pretend it didn't happen. 181 00:11:23,679 --> 00:11:27,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, at some point, I'm sure this is going that 182 00:11:27,520 --> 00:11:30,400 Speaker 2: we're going to hear a lot about that. We If 183 00:11:30,440 --> 00:11:34,160 Speaker 2: you remember, there was one point several years ago when 184 00:11:34,200 --> 00:11:38,440 Speaker 2: there were a lot of fires and she made the 185 00:11:38,440 --> 00:11:42,760 Speaker 2: comment that's how forests grow, right, That kind of was 186 00:11:43,200 --> 00:11:46,640 Speaker 2: a moment in time. Also, I wanted you to comment 187 00:11:46,760 --> 00:11:53,520 Speaker 2: on August twenty sixth. Really, I had not noticed this 188 00:11:53,559 --> 00:11:58,040 Speaker 2: as much of a story. The governor's the Heally Driscoll 189 00:11:58,080 --> 00:12:04,120 Speaker 2: administration appointed two new DPU commissioners and focused on lowering 190 00:12:04,160 --> 00:12:09,240 Speaker 2: costs and increasing energy supply. I thought those commissioners served 191 00:12:09,440 --> 00:12:12,480 Speaker 2: as like a three year term and every year one 192 00:12:12,559 --> 00:12:15,920 Speaker 2: of them would come up for renewal. Were you aware 193 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:20,400 Speaker 2: that there were two of the commissioners who are now 194 00:12:20,440 --> 00:12:26,080 Speaker 2: former commissioners were replaced the chair whose last name was 195 00:12:26,120 --> 00:12:30,520 Speaker 2: van Nostrin On James van Nostrin, and commissioners Cecil Frasier. 196 00:12:31,280 --> 00:12:35,840 Speaker 2: They were replaced in August. On August twenty sixth, I 197 00:12:35,840 --> 00:12:40,199 Speaker 2: don't think that story got much of much play. Were 198 00:12:40,200 --> 00:12:41,200 Speaker 2: you aware of that at the time. 199 00:12:42,240 --> 00:12:44,280 Speaker 5: I was, and it didn't get a lot of play. 200 00:12:44,320 --> 00:12:47,120 Speaker 5: And I think, again, we really need to call attention 201 00:12:47,160 --> 00:12:51,120 Speaker 5: to these times. Let's start with the basic facts, which 202 00:12:51,120 --> 00:12:53,559 Speaker 5: is energy is way too expensive here at Massachusetts. I 203 00:12:53,559 --> 00:12:55,280 Speaker 5: think the last time I looked, were number three in 204 00:12:55,320 --> 00:12:58,479 Speaker 5: the country among the fifty states, so behind Hawaii and California, 205 00:12:59,080 --> 00:13:01,480 Speaker 5: and our energy cost serve about fifty percent higher than 206 00:13:01,520 --> 00:13:04,120 Speaker 5: the national average. So we've got to do something about this. 207 00:13:04,800 --> 00:13:06,560 Speaker 5: And I've been saying for a long time that Governor 208 00:13:06,559 --> 00:13:08,880 Speaker 5: Heally does not have an energy policy. She has a 209 00:13:08,880 --> 00:13:13,600 Speaker 5: climate agenda, and the climate agenda is one we do 210 00:13:13,640 --> 00:13:16,320 Speaker 5: shut down natural gas pipelines. And you have all these 211 00:13:16,400 --> 00:13:19,920 Speaker 5: charges on utility bills. I call them the green gimmicks 212 00:13:19,960 --> 00:13:22,559 Speaker 5: that are meant to facilitate an energy transition, as they 213 00:13:22,559 --> 00:13:25,360 Speaker 5: call it, with solar panel charges and other things. And 214 00:13:25,400 --> 00:13:27,959 Speaker 5: so this has been the Heally approach to energy, or 215 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:30,199 Speaker 5: just lack of an approach, And so I think you're 216 00:13:30,240 --> 00:13:33,000 Speaker 5: seeing things now that are meant to imply that it's 217 00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:36,120 Speaker 5: been a very different course, whether it's personnel changers or 218 00:13:36,160 --> 00:13:38,400 Speaker 5: the comment this week about I've hope she's never been 219 00:13:38,440 --> 00:13:41,200 Speaker 5: in favor of shutting down supply. So if Dan, it 220 00:13:41,200 --> 00:13:44,000 Speaker 5: feels like, honestly, they're scrambling a bit here as we 221 00:13:44,120 --> 00:13:46,720 Speaker 5: enter an election season knowing that the course they pursued 222 00:13:46,800 --> 00:13:50,280 Speaker 5: has not been advantageous for consumers and businesses. We got 223 00:13:50,320 --> 00:13:53,120 Speaker 5: a real problem here, But what I don't see are 224 00:13:53,120 --> 00:13:56,560 Speaker 5: our real solutions to the problem. And a real solution 225 00:13:56,679 --> 00:14:00,240 Speaker 5: would be hey, let's get those natural gas pipelines here. 226 00:14:00,320 --> 00:14:03,000 Speaker 5: Let's have more supply. And I've been staying for a 227 00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:05,560 Speaker 5: long time now. Energy is in market just like anything 228 00:14:05,559 --> 00:14:07,720 Speaker 5: else in any market, the law of supply and demand 229 00:14:07,840 --> 00:14:10,319 Speaker 5: is undefeated. You want lower price, you got to bring 230 00:14:10,360 --> 00:14:13,920 Speaker 5: in more supply. So we're not seeing serious steps. We're 231 00:14:13,920 --> 00:14:17,640 Speaker 5: seeing some steps that are meant to signal that there's 232 00:14:17,679 --> 00:14:19,960 Speaker 5: going to be action, but they're not serious attempts to 233 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:20,640 Speaker 5: solve the problem. 234 00:14:20,840 --> 00:14:24,440 Speaker 2: Well, bad news for the governor, no matter. There's nothing 235 00:14:24,480 --> 00:14:27,080 Speaker 2: that could be done now in terms of bringing new 236 00:14:27,120 --> 00:14:30,440 Speaker 2: gas pipelines in that's going to impact what heating bills 237 00:14:30,440 --> 00:14:33,320 Speaker 2: would be in November, December, January, February, March, in April. 238 00:14:34,080 --> 00:14:36,080 Speaker 5: That's right, that's absolutely right, man. 239 00:14:36,120 --> 00:14:39,400 Speaker 2: I mean that horse has left the proverbial blard. 240 00:14:40,240 --> 00:14:44,120 Speaker 5: It has. We're living now with the consequence of bad 241 00:14:44,160 --> 00:14:47,560 Speaker 5: policy choices for years, and yes, it will take some 242 00:14:47,600 --> 00:14:50,440 Speaker 5: time to undo that. But the goodness is we can 243 00:14:50,520 --> 00:14:53,400 Speaker 5: have a new governor here not too long and starts 244 00:14:53,440 --> 00:14:55,240 Speaker 5: down a much better path. But but you're right in 245 00:14:55,280 --> 00:14:57,760 Speaker 5: terms of it, there's no really easy short term fixes 246 00:14:57,800 --> 00:15:00,760 Speaker 5: to this. Well, there would be a short term fix 247 00:15:00,800 --> 00:15:03,560 Speaker 5: to getting the charges off our bills and all these 248 00:15:03,600 --> 00:15:06,920 Speaker 5: delivery charges and solar charges and those things that would 249 00:15:06,960 --> 00:15:07,960 Speaker 5: be relatively easy. 250 00:15:08,160 --> 00:15:09,600 Speaker 2: How do you how do you do that? How do 251 00:15:09,640 --> 00:15:12,600 Speaker 2: you do that? Mike? I mean that could that be 252 00:15:12,680 --> 00:15:17,280 Speaker 2: done by a gubernatorial stroke of the pan of gubernatorial 253 00:15:17,320 --> 00:15:20,000 Speaker 2: fiat executive the equivalent of executive order. 254 00:15:20,880 --> 00:15:22,760 Speaker 5: But my understanding is some of it could, some of 255 00:15:22,760 --> 00:15:25,920 Speaker 5: it might require some legislative approval. But you know, I'll 256 00:15:25,960 --> 00:15:28,560 Speaker 5: highlight a couple of things. This this Mass Save program, 257 00:15:28,920 --> 00:15:31,240 Speaker 5: which is very expensive, and I point people to the 258 00:15:31,280 --> 00:15:33,440 Speaker 5: work the auditor did on this a couple of weeks ago, 259 00:15:33,560 --> 00:15:38,560 Speaker 5: and analysis of the mass Save programs basically says you've got, 260 00:15:38,680 --> 00:15:41,920 Speaker 5: you know, poorer community subsidizing wealthier communities who want to 261 00:15:41,960 --> 00:15:44,960 Speaker 5: have solar panels and things like that. The program is 262 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:48,000 Speaker 5: not is not not helping the people's designed to help, 263 00:15:48,880 --> 00:15:51,400 Speaker 5: but the biggest problem you have, the biggest overarching problem. 264 00:15:51,440 --> 00:15:53,240 Speaker 5: And by the way, I want to credit the Mass 265 00:15:53,280 --> 00:15:55,840 Speaker 5: Fiscal Alliance for their work on this as well. I 266 00:15:55,880 --> 00:15:59,080 Speaker 5: think we had two very similar social media posts on 267 00:15:59,240 --> 00:16:02,480 Speaker 5: the on the the different videos of the governor. 268 00:16:02,520 --> 00:16:05,080 Speaker 2: Heally, I was trying to figure out which came first. 269 00:16:05,120 --> 00:16:08,080 Speaker 2: Kind of a chicken in an egg situation. Yeah, okay, 270 00:16:08,280 --> 00:16:10,440 Speaker 2: And so we leave that as an open question. But 271 00:16:10,720 --> 00:16:12,880 Speaker 2: you addressed that with me earlier today. I wanted to 272 00:16:12,880 --> 00:16:17,280 Speaker 2: make sure that the that the comments were an accurate reflection. 273 00:16:17,880 --> 00:16:23,760 Speaker 2: If the governor were to challenge your statements. I assume 274 00:16:23,800 --> 00:16:25,800 Speaker 2: you'd be willing to join her some night on the 275 00:16:25,840 --> 00:16:29,360 Speaker 2: show here, n okay. I just wanted to make sure 276 00:16:29,440 --> 00:16:31,880 Speaker 2: that just in case, because I'd like to keep it fair. 277 00:16:31,920 --> 00:16:32,320 Speaker 2: Go ahead. 278 00:16:32,960 --> 00:16:35,520 Speaker 5: Yeah, but mass Bisco has also done a great job 279 00:16:36,160 --> 00:16:39,480 Speaker 5: pointing out that one of the overapching problems here is 280 00:16:39,160 --> 00:16:43,160 Speaker 5: this mandate that the state become net zero by twenty fifty, 281 00:16:43,720 --> 00:16:46,040 Speaker 5: and that was done legislative, but we'll have to get 282 00:16:46,280 --> 00:16:49,560 Speaker 5: to be undone legislatively. And what that does, Dan is 283 00:16:49,600 --> 00:16:54,280 Speaker 5: basically empowers the biocracy to create all these other mandates 284 00:16:54,280 --> 00:16:56,320 Speaker 5: around what kind of cars we can drive, what kind 285 00:16:56,360 --> 00:16:58,520 Speaker 5: of trucks we can drive. It's even a proposal to 286 00:16:58,560 --> 00:17:01,560 Speaker 5: limit our number of miles we can drive, how to 287 00:17:01,560 --> 00:17:04,520 Speaker 5: heat our homes, but this is a legally and. 288 00:17:05,320 --> 00:17:09,480 Speaker 2: What to use to cook your meals as well, exactly. Yeah, Well, 289 00:17:09,600 --> 00:17:14,600 Speaker 2: this is a pervasive, in my opinion, intrusion by government. 290 00:17:14,720 --> 00:17:20,119 Speaker 5: I mean but curious, sure is it's government mismanagement, micromanagement. 291 00:17:20,119 --> 00:17:21,800 Speaker 5: But again it gets back to the fact that there's 292 00:17:21,840 --> 00:17:25,440 Speaker 5: this legislative mandate, so some of the charges can come 293 00:17:25,480 --> 00:17:28,480 Speaker 5: off the bills by executive action. But the root cause 294 00:17:28,520 --> 00:17:31,480 Speaker 5: of the problem, in my view, is this net zero 295 00:17:31,520 --> 00:17:33,359 Speaker 5: by twenty fifty. We've got to get rid of that, 296 00:17:33,480 --> 00:17:36,200 Speaker 5: and we've got to have a serious energy policy, not 297 00:17:36,880 --> 00:17:39,400 Speaker 5: an out of control ideological climate agenda. 298 00:17:40,280 --> 00:17:42,800 Speaker 2: Well, I think I think you're correct in that, in 299 00:17:42,800 --> 00:17:47,800 Speaker 2: the sense that there was a push in this country 300 00:17:47,920 --> 00:17:51,320 Speaker 2: and in this state for the last twenty twenty five 301 00:17:51,400 --> 00:17:55,119 Speaker 2: years when people like John Kerry and elgol were telling 302 00:17:55,200 --> 00:17:57,760 Speaker 2: us that the sky was falling and that this was 303 00:17:57,800 --> 00:18:00,560 Speaker 2: going to happen, and that the waters were going to rise, 304 00:18:00,640 --> 00:18:03,800 Speaker 2: and I mean all of that. And one of the 305 00:18:03,800 --> 00:18:07,000 Speaker 2: things that I always tried to point to to my friends, 306 00:18:07,119 --> 00:18:10,560 Speaker 2: I said, well, you know, I believe that the climate changes, 307 00:18:10,640 --> 00:18:12,720 Speaker 2: but I think that the climate goes back and forth. 308 00:18:13,400 --> 00:18:17,960 Speaker 2: When I was in graduate school back in the nineteen seventies, 309 00:18:18,400 --> 00:18:21,000 Speaker 2: I remember, and you're probably not old enough to remember, 310 00:18:21,040 --> 00:18:23,960 Speaker 2: but you can go look it up. Newsweek and Time Magazine, 311 00:18:23,960 --> 00:18:30,080 Speaker 2: which were two very very important weekly news journals, really 312 00:18:30,119 --> 00:18:35,239 Speaker 2: important news journals. They had cover stories essentially heralding the 313 00:18:35,320 --> 00:18:38,920 Speaker 2: coming ice age that we were moving. No, I'm serious. 314 00:18:39,480 --> 00:18:42,200 Speaker 2: These were headline stories, Mike, and you can go find them. 315 00:18:42,280 --> 00:18:43,320 Speaker 2: They're out there. 316 00:18:44,359 --> 00:18:44,600 Speaker 1: Yeah. 317 00:18:45,320 --> 00:18:50,439 Speaker 2: And then so either the climatologists were wrong then or 318 00:18:50,480 --> 00:18:54,760 Speaker 2: they're wrong now. You can have it both ways. And 319 00:18:54,960 --> 00:18:59,080 Speaker 2: what happens is I say to friends of mine, I said, look, 320 00:18:59,600 --> 00:19:02,520 Speaker 2: I think think President Obama was one of the smartest 321 00:19:02,680 --> 00:19:06,439 Speaker 2: presidents we ever had, and I mean that seriously. And 322 00:19:06,480 --> 00:19:09,040 Speaker 2: they said, well, why does that impact your view of 323 00:19:09,040 --> 00:19:13,280 Speaker 2: climate change? He bought it was an eighteen acre estate 324 00:19:13,440 --> 00:19:20,440 Speaker 2: at sea level in Marthe's vineyard. I'm being totally serious. 325 00:19:20,840 --> 00:19:23,400 Speaker 2: You know that's intended. It's a serious comment. I don't 326 00:19:23,440 --> 00:19:27,680 Speaker 2: think that if President Obama truly thought we were on 327 00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:33,040 Speaker 2: the precipice of seas rising, you know that he would 328 00:19:33,040 --> 00:19:37,960 Speaker 2: have bought that property on Marthe's Vineyard. In my opinion, now, 329 00:19:38,119 --> 00:19:41,520 Speaker 2: so I think we need to be concerned about it, 330 00:19:41,600 --> 00:19:43,359 Speaker 2: and I hope you think we need to be concerned 331 00:19:43,400 --> 00:19:45,320 Speaker 2: about it. But at the same time, we also have 332 00:19:45,440 --> 00:19:48,439 Speaker 2: to understand that that winters here in New England can 333 00:19:48,480 --> 00:19:51,800 Speaker 2: be very tough, and I don't want people freezing to death. 334 00:19:52,480 --> 00:19:55,040 Speaker 5: No, it's exactly right, Dan. Maybe two other comments in 335 00:19:55,040 --> 00:19:58,880 Speaker 5: that regard. One is that if you believe that global 336 00:19:58,920 --> 00:20:01,560 Speaker 5: emissions or a problem, we should look at the fact 337 00:20:01,560 --> 00:20:05,200 Speaker 5: that Massachusetts, last time a check, represents point one percent 338 00:20:05,840 --> 00:20:09,920 Speaker 5: of emissions globally. And so this is right. And so 339 00:20:10,040 --> 00:20:14,359 Speaker 5: we're doing the damage greatly, damage our economic competitiveness or 340 00:20:14,400 --> 00:20:18,600 Speaker 5: our cost of living, our ability to produce housing, and 341 00:20:18,800 --> 00:20:21,000 Speaker 5: do lots of other things for the sake of trying 342 00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:23,840 Speaker 5: to optimize point one percent of emissions. That that feels 343 00:20:23,880 --> 00:20:27,439 Speaker 5: like policies that are misplaced. But the other is that, 344 00:20:27,520 --> 00:20:29,639 Speaker 5: you know, part of the very definition of governing the 345 00:20:29,720 --> 00:20:33,040 Speaker 5: leadership is being able to sort through competing priorities. And 346 00:20:33,119 --> 00:20:35,399 Speaker 5: so I'll point out to the fact that that's not 347 00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:38,680 Speaker 5: the case in the Healthy administration. She has a climate chief. 348 00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:43,320 Speaker 5: And my understanding is the cabinet secretary's report not just 349 00:20:43,320 --> 00:20:46,040 Speaker 5: to the governor, but to the climate chief. And so 350 00:20:46,119 --> 00:20:50,520 Speaker 5: if you are the housing secretary or the transportation secretary, 351 00:20:50,680 --> 00:20:53,200 Speaker 5: you've got to have your plans vetted by the climate chief. 352 00:20:53,240 --> 00:20:55,240 Speaker 5: I mean, give me a break. It's the job of 353 00:20:55,280 --> 00:20:58,560 Speaker 5: the row through competing priorities, not to put your thumb 354 00:20:58,600 --> 00:21:01,440 Speaker 5: on the scale and have everything by the climate agenda. 355 00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:04,080 Speaker 2: But I but I do think that there's a there 356 00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:08,199 Speaker 2: are voices, you know who are who believe it's you know, 357 00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:11,879 Speaker 2: it's not like they disbelieve what they're saying. They believe, Uh, 358 00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:16,399 Speaker 2: they are over they have an overwhelming influence within Democratic 359 00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:20,480 Speaker 2: primary voters. And therefore, you know, people who want to 360 00:21:20,520 --> 00:21:25,119 Speaker 2: get a nomination within the Democratic Party have to you know, 361 00:21:25,280 --> 00:21:29,440 Speaker 2: dance to the tune of those party activists. And whether 362 00:21:29,480 --> 00:21:32,760 Speaker 2: it's you know, climate issues or bike lean issues, which 363 00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:36,640 Speaker 2: all of which kind of are inter interwoven, you would 364 00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:41,000 Speaker 2: be you would be politically suicidal if you chose to say, gee, 365 00:21:41,119 --> 00:21:43,840 Speaker 2: I'm not quite sure of all of this. So uh, 366 00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:47,240 Speaker 2: I hope you, Mike stay on top of this, and 367 00:21:47,320 --> 00:21:51,400 Speaker 2: I hope the other Republican candidates stake out their positions 368 00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:54,679 Speaker 2: as well, so that voters have a choice in the 369 00:21:54,680 --> 00:21:58,320 Speaker 2: Republican primary and uh, and that voters have a choice 370 00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:02,520 Speaker 2: come next September October as we move into the election 371 00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:03,320 Speaker 2: in November. 372 00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:06,160 Speaker 5: Well, I think that's right, Dan, It's clear we need 373 00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:09,680 Speaker 5: new leadership in Massachusetts. I do believe I'm the only 374 00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:13,560 Speaker 5: Republican that could actually defeat Governor Heally. We need leadership desperately. 375 00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:16,480 Speaker 5: And when I launched my campaign back in April, i'd 376 00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:20,320 Speaker 5: launched with three basic themes around affordability, opportunity, and better government. 377 00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:23,639 Speaker 5: But the affordability piece is real, and this is really 378 00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:27,080 Speaker 5: hurting our household, our businesses. People are leaving the state 379 00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:29,399 Speaker 5: every month every year because they simply can't afford to 380 00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:32,480 Speaker 5: live here. Companies are making different decisions about where they're 381 00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:35,560 Speaker 5: going to put their net new jobs Massachusetts versus somewhere else. 382 00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:39,240 Speaker 5: But this is an enormous competitive disadvantage for us and 383 00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:41,840 Speaker 5: a real pain point for our consumers and our smallest 384 00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:44,920 Speaker 5: businesses and everybody. And so we need a governor that's 385 00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:48,600 Speaker 5: serious about affordability, not just paying lip service to it. 386 00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:52,240 Speaker 5: And Governor Heally, I hear save the word affordability a lot, 387 00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:55,080 Speaker 5: but I'd ask, where are the real strategies to drive 388 00:22:55,600 --> 00:22:59,320 Speaker 5: a much stronger affordability policy. We're just not saying it. 389 00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:02,719 Speaker 2: Conneely candidate for Governor, How folks, How can folks might 390 00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:04,639 Speaker 2: be interested in your campaign get in touch with you. 391 00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:08,800 Speaker 5: I go to Mike Kenneely dot com. It's got information 392 00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:12,320 Speaker 5: about about myself and my trek work and my experience 393 00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:15,440 Speaker 5: that the priorities I have as a candidate and we'll 394 00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:18,639 Speaker 5: have as governor, which have been informed by now twelve 395 00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:22,000 Speaker 5: years working in full time in public service in Massachusetts 396 00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:24,840 Speaker 5: and of a lot of travel around the state. I've 397 00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:29,399 Speaker 5: done seventy public events, speeches, and lots of media appearances 398 00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:31,760 Speaker 5: and lots of engagement with voters. That's informed my view 399 00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:33,399 Speaker 5: on what has to happen here. But it's been a 400 00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:38,440 Speaker 5: great process of listening, learning, and and campaigning for a 401 00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:40,320 Speaker 5: job where you can get a lot of good done 402 00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:42,520 Speaker 5: for the people in Massachusetts, and that's what I'm all about. 403 00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:45,720 Speaker 2: Okay, Well, well, thanks very much for calling in tonight. 404 00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:49,640 Speaker 2: I appreciate it. Mike kennely k E N N E 405 00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:52,960 Speaker 2: A L L Y if I'm not missing O what 406 00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:57,119 Speaker 2: L what L Okay, I've they got to correct that. Okay, 407 00:23:57,160 --> 00:23:59,560 Speaker 2: glad we did that. Okay, sounds great. Appreciate it, Mike, 408 00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:00,280 Speaker 2: thank you very much. 409 00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:01,840 Speaker 5: Appreciate it. 410 00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:04,159 Speaker 2: A little bit late for the news break. Here's what 411 00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:06,760 Speaker 2: I want to do again. I'm not looking to turn 412 00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:08,840 Speaker 2: this into politics, but I wanted to make sure that 413 00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:12,520 Speaker 2: the sound that we were using is an accurate reflection 414 00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:14,159 Speaker 2: of what the governor said at a point in the 415 00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:17,199 Speaker 2: past as opposed to what's going on today. Obviously, I 416 00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:21,000 Speaker 2: think everyone is concerned about higher prices because whether you 417 00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:24,439 Speaker 2: pay it as an owner or a condominium owner of 418 00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:28,880 Speaker 2: a home, or as a renter, And if you don't 419 00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:31,160 Speaker 2: pay it directly as a as a renter, I'm sure 420 00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:34,480 Speaker 2: it will be reflected in your lease payments. So I'd 421 00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:38,240 Speaker 2: love to hear from you. How concerned are you about 422 00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:41,080 Speaker 2: the upcoming winter and what impact it may have on 423 00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:45,400 Speaker 2: your familya's budget? Number one? Tell us who you think 424 00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:49,200 Speaker 2: might be able to have some solutions and how did 425 00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:51,960 Speaker 2: we get into this problem where we apparently do not 426 00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:56,280 Speaker 2: have enough pipelines coming into New England and when when 427 00:24:56,320 --> 00:25:00,199 Speaker 2: there's a shortage of product, obviously the price of that 428 00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:03,879 Speaker 2: product increases, which eventually is going to be passed on 429 00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:06,720 Speaker 2: to all of us as consumers. We haven't talked about 430 00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:09,560 Speaker 2: this in a while. Feel free got some wide open 431 00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:12,560 Speaker 2: lines six one, seven, two, five four to ten thirty 432 00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:15,480 Speaker 2: six one seven, nine, three, one ten thirty If you're 433 00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:19,359 Speaker 2: a resident not only in Massachusetts, been anywhere within the 434 00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:23,359 Speaker 2: sound of our voices, winter is coming and with winter 435 00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:28,600 Speaker 2: will come difficult colder weather and higher energy prices and 436 00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:32,199 Speaker 2: higher energy bills. And do you agree with the gentlemen 437 00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:34,840 Speaker 2: who you just heard, or do you agree with the 438 00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:39,840 Speaker 2: governor that maybe we need to continue on this road 439 00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:42,800 Speaker 2: even though it's going to cost us, it will save 440 00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:45,760 Speaker 2: us uh in the in the long run. I'm somebody 441 00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:50,560 Speaker 2: who's concerned, frankly about climate change, but I do not 442 00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:53,359 Speaker 2: think that our response to it needs to be as 443 00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:56,840 Speaker 2: draconian as it's been six one, seven, two, five, ten 444 00:25:56,920 --> 00:25:59,280 Speaker 2: thirty six one seven, nine, three, one ten thirty. Coming 445 00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:01,000 Speaker 2: right back on side right after. 446 00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:05,480 Speaker 1: This, you're on Night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ, 447 00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:07,080 Speaker 1: Boston's news radio. 448 00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:09,440 Speaker 2: I want to see what people think as we head 449 00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:11,960 Speaker 2: towards the winter. I don't care where you are within 450 00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:14,840 Speaker 2: the sound of my voice unless you live down in 451 00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:18,439 Speaker 2: Key West, Florida. Winter can be tough, particularly here the 452 00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:21,240 Speaker 2: further north you go. Let me go to is it Lilah? 453 00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:26,959 Speaker 2: Have I pronounced it correctly? Lilah? Hi, La Lilah in Midfield? Hi, Lilah, Welcome. 454 00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:28,400 Speaker 6: Hi. 455 00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:32,919 Speaker 7: I've got sort of a little different post on this 456 00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:38,560 Speaker 7: and at home to help people. As far as going 457 00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:42,760 Speaker 7: into winter buys, I have had to live on a 458 00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:49,160 Speaker 7: very tight budget for many years. Okay, And several years 459 00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:52,840 Speaker 7: ago I was with friends and I was talking to 460 00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:56,119 Speaker 7: a man that worked for an oil company, and I 461 00:26:56,200 --> 00:27:00,159 Speaker 7: said to him, I heat with oil. I said, do 462 00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:03,240 Speaker 7: I have to leave my furnace on off spring and 463 00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:08,159 Speaker 7: summer and fall when it's wamish, Because no, he said, 464 00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:13,639 Speaker 7: when you need hot water for a shower or bath 465 00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:17,040 Speaker 7: or the washer dryer or whatever you need it for, 466 00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:21,160 Speaker 7: turn the furnace on. Then when you don't need that 467 00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:25,119 Speaker 7: hot water, shut the furnace off. And he said, no 468 00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:29,520 Speaker 7: oil company is going to tell you that, okay, because 469 00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:31,560 Speaker 7: the business. 470 00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:35,720 Speaker 2: I used to purchase oil when we lived in not 471 00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:39,560 Speaker 2: in a town next to yours, many years ago, from 472 00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:41,800 Speaker 2: an oil company out in your neck of the woods, 473 00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:45,719 Speaker 2: might be the same company. I was always under the 474 00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:49,359 Speaker 2: impression that and I could be dead wrong here, but 475 00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:51,840 Speaker 2: I was under the impression that if you turned Europe 476 00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:58,119 Speaker 2: your furnish off, it took a long time to you know, 477 00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:01,960 Speaker 2: to warm the water up for hot showers, and that 478 00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:05,919 Speaker 2: that maybe I was lazy, But it wasn't like you 479 00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:09,920 Speaker 2: turn on the gas stove to uh, you know, to 480 00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:13,280 Speaker 2: to cook a pot of soup or something, or to 481 00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:19,080 Speaker 2: uh heat a cattle, uh for a cup of tea, 482 00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:23,000 Speaker 2: that it took time to get it up, to get 483 00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:26,600 Speaker 2: the heat up so that the the the shower would 484 00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:28,679 Speaker 2: be comfortable. And of course most people in the morning, 485 00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:30,280 Speaker 2: you get up and you want to jump in a 486 00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:33,199 Speaker 2: shower when it's you don't want to spend half an 487 00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:37,760 Speaker 2: hour running running down solid turning the the the furnace on. 488 00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:40,520 Speaker 2: But but maybe there's people out there who know even 489 00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:43,920 Speaker 2: more about it. Well, the idea say, they certainly know 490 00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:46,720 Speaker 2: more about it than I do. Maybe they'll they'll confirm 491 00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:49,880 Speaker 2: hopefully if that is true, that's it, And that's a 492 00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:54,480 Speaker 2: great tip. But I want people maybe to get that confirmed. Uh, 493 00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:57,600 Speaker 2: and so they're not miss layed. Okay, but that's right. 494 00:28:57,560 --> 00:29:01,080 Speaker 7: I've been I've been doing this first really years now. 495 00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:04,440 Speaker 7: And leave me. It works and the furnace comes on 496 00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:09,120 Speaker 7: right away. And when you hit the switch, absolutely you 497 00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:09,880 Speaker 7: know how long. 498 00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:12,240 Speaker 2: So let me ask you a lile, how long does 499 00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:15,160 Speaker 2: it take for you to get the So if you 500 00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:18,360 Speaker 2: leave it off for a day or so, obviously it 501 00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:21,760 Speaker 2: goes down in the temperature goes down. How long does 502 00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:25,080 Speaker 2: it take you with your furnace to get it back? 503 00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:27,560 Speaker 2: So when you get in the shower, you know, you 504 00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:30,160 Speaker 2: feel it's a warm shower or hot shower. 505 00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:35,240 Speaker 7: Okay, I would say maybe ten minutes, maybe fifteen the most. 506 00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:39,240 Speaker 7: That's that's nothing. That's nothing, and you're saving and you're 507 00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:41,080 Speaker 7: saving all that money, and well, you. 508 00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:44,680 Speaker 2: Know, that's a great that's a great tip. And by 509 00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:48,000 Speaker 2: the way, I thank you for calling, and I hope 510 00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:50,720 Speaker 2: that there will be someone out there who can confirm 511 00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:52,840 Speaker 2: that for us. So maybe a couple of people can 512 00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:57,240 Speaker 2: confirm that, because it makes all the sense in the world. 513 00:29:57,480 --> 00:29:58,760 Speaker 2: Your first time call it tonight. 514 00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:02,640 Speaker 7: No, I've called you before, okay. 515 00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:04,800 Speaker 2: And thank you for this call, particularly because we may 516 00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:07,840 Speaker 2: save ourselves. And it's the sort of thing that I 517 00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:13,520 Speaker 2: don't have oil in the properties that that I live 518 00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:16,560 Speaker 2: in now. But I'll have to find out if that 519 00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:19,440 Speaker 2: applies to other other heat sources as well. 520 00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:23,040 Speaker 7: I don't know. I don't know. I don't know anything 521 00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:27,960 Speaker 7: about gas. I just know about the oil, all right. 522 00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:32,240 Speaker 7: I've had no furnace problems all these years, so and 523 00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:35,880 Speaker 7: I get it maintained every year, Lila, thank you. 524 00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:38,320 Speaker 2: Well, that's the most important thing. When you have a furnace, 525 00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:40,400 Speaker 2: you got to have I used to have a company 526 00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:42,640 Speaker 2: out there that came every year, and I felt that 527 00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:46,000 Speaker 2: I never want that, never want the furnace to fail. Lila, 528 00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:48,080 Speaker 2: thank you so much for your call. Let's see if 529 00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:50,800 Speaker 2: others out there who maybe are in the are in 530 00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:53,160 Speaker 2: the business, are in the field, will confirm what you 531 00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:54,840 Speaker 2: have to say. Thanks, Lila, appreciate it. 532 00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:58,320 Speaker 7: I hope, I hope somebody will. Okay, thank you, I 533 00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:00,680 Speaker 7: love the show. Okay, right back at you. 534 00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:03,440 Speaker 2: Good night. Six one seven, two, five, four ten thirty. 535 00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:06,480 Speaker 2: Those lines will open. The other line is full. We'll 536 00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:09,760 Speaker 2: get to a Jean and Harrison uh in just a moment. 537 00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:12,640 Speaker 2: But if you want to get on, and particularly if 538 00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:15,440 Speaker 2: you know the business, uh, you heard what Lilah had 539 00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:18,040 Speaker 2: to say. I don't want to mislead people, but if 540 00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:21,360 Speaker 2: that is true, that's a pretty good tip. And if 541 00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:24,600 Speaker 2: you if you're looking to save money, I want to 542 00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:26,680 Speaker 2: know if there's someone out there in the oil business 543 00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:29,480 Speaker 2: that can confirm that for us. I would appreciate it 544 00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:32,320 Speaker 2: a lot. Six one seven, two, five, four ten thirty. 545 00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:34,360 Speaker 2: I will tell you we're going to change topics at 546 00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:37,080 Speaker 2: ten o'clock and we're going to talk about what may 547 00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:41,800 Speaker 2: happen in Venezuela in the days and uh maybe hours ahead. 548 00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:44,720 Speaker 2: We'll get to all of that, but feel free to 549 00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:48,440 Speaker 2: join the conversation. Six the only line six one, seven, two, five, four, 550 00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:50,480 Speaker 2: ten thirty. Fill it up right now. Coming back on 551 00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:51,120 Speaker 2: night Side. 552 00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:56,840 Speaker 1: It's night Side with Dan Ray on w Boston's news radio. 553 00:31:57,480 --> 00:31:58,920 Speaker 2: Okay, let's go back to the call. It's going to 554 00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:01,200 Speaker 2: go to Gene and Averagene. Welcome next on n Side, 555 00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:01,959 Speaker 2: checking out. 556 00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:05,960 Speaker 4: Thank you. This is a great subject, and I really 557 00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:11,320 Speaker 4: think that state government has mismanaged and barely paid attention 558 00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:15,080 Speaker 4: to our outlook of our energy needs gas oil and electric. 559 00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:18,360 Speaker 2: Well they were paying attention last March and all of that, 560 00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:21,080 Speaker 2: but they were asleep at the switch before that. That's 561 00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:21,680 Speaker 2: my concern. 562 00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:22,600 Speaker 1: What do you have right? 563 00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:26,640 Speaker 4: We have deer in the headlights deer in the headlights syndrome? 564 00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:31,000 Speaker 2: What do you have for uh you? Are you electric? 565 00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:33,440 Speaker 2: Are you gas? You oil? What are you? What do you? 566 00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:34,200 Speaker 2: What do you use? 567 00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:37,640 Speaker 4: I have? I have a boiler. I have a gas boiler, 568 00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:42,080 Speaker 4: but I need I do need to have some insulation 569 00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:45,960 Speaker 4: around my doors. And I have two fireplaces which I 570 00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:49,000 Speaker 4: want to figure out how to you know, insulate to 571 00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:51,960 Speaker 4: keep the cold here from those even though. 572 00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:55,360 Speaker 2: They do you use Do you use the fireplaces in 573 00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:55,760 Speaker 2: the winter. 574 00:32:57,120 --> 00:33:00,200 Speaker 4: I don't because it seems to. 575 00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:06,520 Speaker 2: Okay, which is fine. Do you have the flu? But 576 00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:10,640 Speaker 2: if I needed to, do you have the flus closed? 577 00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:12,640 Speaker 4: I do close them in the winter years. 578 00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:14,520 Speaker 2: Okay. Well that's good. Okay, that's fine. 579 00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:17,080 Speaker 4: But I think I might need to insulate a little more. 580 00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:19,400 Speaker 4: But here's the thing, you know, it would be great 581 00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:21,239 Speaker 4: if you could have a guest who knows how to 582 00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:23,880 Speaker 4: tell people what things they can do in their house. 583 00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:28,000 Speaker 4: Because I've been, I've read, I looked up a lot and. 584 00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:30,920 Speaker 2: Let me ask you this, Jeane, let me help you. 585 00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:32,080 Speaker 2: Do you own your own home? 586 00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:33,120 Speaker 7: Yes? 587 00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:33,560 Speaker 4: I do? 588 00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:34,120 Speaker 2: Okay? 589 00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:37,600 Speaker 4: Is just single family two floors? 590 00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:41,120 Speaker 2: Yes, single family two floors? I would suggest you contact 591 00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:46,000 Speaker 2: mass Save okay, because that is a program that actually 592 00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:48,880 Speaker 2: can help you and also gives you stuff. 593 00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:53,080 Speaker 4: No, I agree. I do know about them. But the 594 00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:57,760 Speaker 4: one company that when I found out about them, that 595 00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:00,840 Speaker 4: I was referred to, they want to pump and into 596 00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:03,400 Speaker 4: my walls from outside. I'm not doing any of that. 597 00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:06,320 Speaker 4: I want laid in my attic. 598 00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:08,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, Gene, Gene, I'm not going to talk to you 599 00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:10,960 Speaker 2: about what you want, what you don't want. All I 600 00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:13,960 Speaker 2: suggested to you was mass saved. If you've already been there, 601 00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:18,239 Speaker 2: done that not a problem. I I I think that's 602 00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:22,200 Speaker 2: something that is free and it doesn't cost you anything 603 00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:23,920 Speaker 2: for them to come and give you you but you've 604 00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:25,920 Speaker 2: had you've done it, so that's no problem. 605 00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:29,480 Speaker 4: I did do it before and they really didn't do 606 00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:30,239 Speaker 4: too much to gain. 607 00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:34,560 Speaker 2: Okay, well again, if it didn't work, that. 608 00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:36,840 Speaker 4: They're not as good as they're supposed to be anyway. 609 00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:38,960 Speaker 2: But well maybe you're right, Maybe you're right. So I 610 00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:40,520 Speaker 2: don't know what other advice to give you, but I 611 00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:44,400 Speaker 2: got to keep nothing. Okay, if you appreciate. 612 00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:46,000 Speaker 4: Have a guest on would be great. 613 00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:48,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, we can do that. Yeah, we'll try to do that. 614 00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:51,120 Speaker 4: It'll be great. Okay, have a good night, Thanks. 615 00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:54,880 Speaker 2: Great night, good night. Okay. Harrison is up in New Hampshire. Harrison, 616 00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:56,280 Speaker 2: you were next to Nightside. Welcome. 617 00:34:57,080 --> 00:34:59,640 Speaker 6: Hi, Thank you, Dan. I just wanted to say I'm 618 00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:02,720 Speaker 6: what you would consider a liberal, but I love listening 619 00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:06,040 Speaker 6: to your show on your topics, your topics and your analysis, 620 00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:09,719 Speaker 6: your viewpoints. So I wanted I wish I had a tip, 621 00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:12,480 Speaker 6: but I want us to kind of bring up like 622 00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:17,879 Speaker 6: the company's responsibility and these affordability crises when we're talking 623 00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:21,799 Speaker 6: about energy like National Grid. And I guess like also 624 00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:25,680 Speaker 6: kind of a question too, because with these the service 625 00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:28,799 Speaker 6: charges on the bills, it's not our you know what 626 00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:31,239 Speaker 6: I mean, It's like not just the electricity, it's like 627 00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:34,560 Speaker 6: all these added fees too. I went through it with 628 00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:37,160 Speaker 6: my internet. I was like, why I started paying like 629 00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:39,840 Speaker 6: twenty something and now it's up to like almost one hundred. 630 00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:44,640 Speaker 2: So I just think, is that in the winter time? 631 00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:46,320 Speaker 2: You mean one hundred of months? 632 00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:50,480 Speaker 6: Oh for electricity? Mine just goes up in the winter anyway, 633 00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:52,920 Speaker 6: because I use it. It's not one hundred of months. 634 00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:55,440 Speaker 6: I share it. I live in a family home, but 635 00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:58,080 Speaker 6: I use a space heater because it's so cold, So 636 00:35:58,160 --> 00:35:59,320 Speaker 6: we'll go for that reason. 637 00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:02,480 Speaker 2: What I was asking Harrison and I was just curious, 638 00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:05,080 Speaker 2: if you're in New Hampshire, obviously that's a cold state. 639 00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:09,920 Speaker 2: I'm just curious, how expensive do you live in a 640 00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:12,040 Speaker 2: single family home? Do you live in an apartment? Give 641 00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:12,520 Speaker 2: me an. 642 00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:15,920 Speaker 6: I'm working a job in New Hampshire. I live in 643 00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:18,840 Speaker 6: Watertown and I have it's a three level. I'm in 644 00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:21,279 Speaker 6: the basement and my it was my uncle's house that 645 00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:24,120 Speaker 6: he passed away, and my cousin and his fiance live 646 00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:25,880 Speaker 6: the second floor and then there's tenants on the third. 647 00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:28,240 Speaker 2: Okay, so you just have you just have the basement. 648 00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:31,400 Speaker 2: And over time, how long have you lived there? A 649 00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:34,520 Speaker 2: couple of years, longer three years? Three years? So over 650 00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:39,720 Speaker 2: those three years have your have your heating bills gone 651 00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:41,680 Speaker 2: up a lot or a little or have they stayed 652 00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:42,000 Speaker 2: the same? 653 00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:45,600 Speaker 6: Well, I can only my cousin handle that. I just 654 00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:48,520 Speaker 6: I've seen a lot like online these service charges, to 655 00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:54,239 Speaker 6: be honest, I Internet Internet went on and you know 656 00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:56,320 Speaker 6: that's I just think like they work in kind of 657 00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:59,520 Speaker 6: these the Biden's credit like the jug fees and all that. 658 00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:03,160 Speaker 6: But I and also the supermarkets too, because like it 659 00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:05,840 Speaker 6: might be a conspiracy, but after the pandemic, it was 660 00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:08,840 Speaker 6: an excuse to raise prices to the supply chain. But 661 00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:12,920 Speaker 6: I think that they're kind of they're responsible for the 662 00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:15,160 Speaker 6: price gouging too, Like we get squeezed, and I think 663 00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:17,080 Speaker 6: that's why the market basket fight was so important. 664 00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:19,640 Speaker 2: But by the way, yeah, and by the way, you 665 00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:22,440 Speaker 2: and I made different but I agree with you. There 666 00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:29,840 Speaker 2: are products that before the COVID crisis, Yes, they would 667 00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:32,600 Speaker 2: cost let's say I don't know, you know, two forty 668 00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:36,000 Speaker 2: nine or two for five dollars, and now they're for 669 00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:40,040 Speaker 2: ninety nine. And I'm talking about you know, I want 670 00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:43,279 Speaker 2: to do my awaken when indy. But I'm also I 671 00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:45,920 Speaker 2: can eat cookies and stuff like that, I refuse to 672 00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:49,000 Speaker 2: buy them, Harrison. My attitude is I may be the 673 00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:51,440 Speaker 2: only person, but I do believe in the free market. 674 00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:53,880 Speaker 2: And if I'm not gonna let you gouge me, I 675 00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:58,399 Speaker 2: can find different cookies, I can find different items. I'll 676 00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:03,680 Speaker 2: eat more fruit, which is probably but with energy bills, 677 00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:05,840 Speaker 2: it's kind of tough. And uh and we're going to 678 00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:08,280 Speaker 2: tell you. I hear about this a lot this winter, 679 00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:11,440 Speaker 2: and I hope, I really do hope that you will 680 00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:13,600 Speaker 2: stay with us. And I thank you for your kind 681 00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:16,400 Speaker 2: comments at the beginning, because I want all points of 682 00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:17,320 Speaker 2: view in my program. 683 00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:19,360 Speaker 6: I really well. I think it's important to build bridges, 684 00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:20,480 Speaker 6: and I thank you for that. 685 00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:24,319 Speaker 2: Absolutely. I'm more than happy. And you are part of 686 00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:27,440 Speaker 2: that process by by listening. Tell your friends about Nightside, 687 00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:29,759 Speaker 2: and you call in anytime. Next hour, we're going to 688 00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:33,719 Speaker 2: talk about uh. Is Venezuela on Donald Trump's next on 689 00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:36,879 Speaker 2: Donald Trump's hit list. Thanks Harrison, this is your first 690 00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:37,440 Speaker 2: time calling. 691 00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:39,000 Speaker 6: Yeah, first time. 692 00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:43,560 Speaker 2: You got to give you a pause. I'll look forward 693 00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:46,520 Speaker 2: to call it for your second call. Thanks Harrison very much. Getjoated, 694 00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:50,400 Speaker 2: have a great weekend, Stay warm. We get back, we 695 00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:52,680 Speaker 2: will talk about what's going on in Venezuela. I think 696 00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:55,600 Speaker 2: a lot's going on down there, and the stage is 697 00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:58,600 Speaker 2: being set, and the stage may already be set. Coming 698 00:38:58,640 --> 00:38:59,840 Speaker 2: back on night side right after the